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Husband allegedly kills wife and drops off daughter at school before dismembering wife_s body(MP3_160K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: A word of warning. This podcast explores graphic and disturbing
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  Speaker 1: may find it disturbing. Hello and welcome to True Crime News,
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  Speaker 1: the podcast covering high profile and under the radar cases
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  Speaker 1: from across the country. Every week. I'm your host, Ana Garcia.
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  Speaker 1: Our case this week the Agony of Murder. A mother
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  Speaker 1: of four has been missing for a year and presumed dead.
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  Speaker 1: Police say she was murdered by her jealous husband. He
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  Speaker 1: stands accused of killing her, but her body's never been found.
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  Speaker 1: The case itself is disturbing enough, but now the distraught
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  Speaker 1: sister of the murder victim has apparently gone too far
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  Speaker 1: with a vendetta against the family of the alleged killer.
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  Speaker 1: According to police, the sister is accused of harassing his family.
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  Speaker 1: She's upset, lashing out because she wants justice for her
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  Speaker 1: sister and she wants to find her sister's body. It's
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  Speaker 1: a new complication and to a murder case that's been
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  Speaker 1: making headlines. We're recording this on Friday, October seventeenth of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Our guest today is Philip Hamilton, a
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  Speaker 1: civil and criminal attorney based in New York, a legal analyst,
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  Speaker 1: a dear friend of the show. Philip, you've been so busy,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't been able to see you on the show
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  Speaker 1: and forever welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: And as we were saying, it's been way too long,
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  Speaker 2: but couldn't be happier to be back with you. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we always love your commentary and perspective here. So
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about the case of Suzanne Simpson. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about it before on the podcast. Her husband, Brad,
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  Speaker 1: is accused of killing her. Body never been found, and
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  Speaker 1: while we now wait for the murder trial, apparently it's
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  Speaker 1: been set for February, Suzanne's sister is now in trouble,
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  Speaker 1: serious trouble, say police, for allegedly harassing Brad's family. It's wrong,
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  Speaker 1: it's against the law. But Philip, there is a part
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  Speaker 1: of me that feels her anguish. She wants justice or
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  Speaker 1: her sister. She's in pain, and she's presumably lashing out
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  Speaker 1: of those that she thinks either can help her or
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  Speaker 1: she wants them to feel her pain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think especially that latter part. Right
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  Speaker 2: when you're dealing with that pain, you know, whether she's
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  Speaker 2: therapeutically worked through it or not, like that is a
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  Speaker 2: release that has to happen. And to the extent that
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  Speaker 2: you can put it, to the origin of where you
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  Speaker 2: feel as though that pain is coming from, that's probably
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  Speaker 2: underlying a lot of what she has done, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to your point, not all the way objectionally correct, but
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  Speaker 2: at the same time certainly understandable.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think happens in a case like this
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  Speaker 1: if they will get into some of the alleged evidence
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  Speaker 1: that police have. I mean, what do you do with
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  Speaker 1: something as complicated as this? Do you think that there
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  Speaker 1: is compassion for her? Or you know, the law's the law, lady.
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  Speaker 2: They're not always mutually exclusive. So the law can be
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  Speaker 2: the law, but there certainly can be compassion that's intertwined
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  Speaker 2: within it. And I think no matter how this ultimately
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  Speaker 2: plays out regarding you know, the full investigation, regarding the
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  Speaker 2: full outcome of the case, you know, at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, we can all understand where she's coming from.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's coming from a place of just
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  Speaker 2: reckless malicious intent. It really is coming from a place
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  Speaker 2: of just paying crying out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always surprised when survivors or family members of the
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  Speaker 1: victims can show restraints. I'm always shocked at that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: surprised we don't see more people lunging at each other
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  Speaker 1: in court.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these are emotionally charged places. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these courtrooms where you're dealing with these horrendous crimes. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as you can imagine, I've been there, I've seen it,
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  Speaker 2: I felt it, right, Like, the tension a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times is palpable. So, you know, for those who can
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  Speaker 2: respect the courts decorum and you know, respect the process
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  Speaker 2: and go all the way through without jumping over into
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  Speaker 2: the well of the courtroom and attacking people, which we
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  Speaker 2: know happens. But to the you know, where you have
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  Speaker 2: people that can actually refrain from doing that, the levels
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  Speaker 2: of restrained, I don't even think you and I would
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  Speaker 2: have a word for no.
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  Speaker 1: No, And I don't think I'm not sure that I
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  Speaker 1: could do it. You know, I just don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I could do that. So, you know, the question we're asking,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get into Suzanne's case is like, so
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  Speaker 1: what do we do with this? What do we do
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  Speaker 1: with this family member who's clearly in anguish clearly there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot we don't know. I don't know what's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen to her. We're going to get into the
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  Speaker 1: details of what she's allegedly done. So the basis of
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  Speaker 1: the murder case, though, is fifty one year old Suzanne Simpson,
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  Speaker 1: a mother of four. She disappeared from a suburb of
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  Speaker 1: San Antonio, Texas on October sixth of twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: about a year ago. This was after a fight with
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  Speaker 1: her husband, Brad Simpson, who's fifty four. They've been married.
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  Speaker 1: They were married for twenty two years. She was a
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  Speaker 1: luxury real estate agent, he was in real estate development.
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  Speaker 1: They lived a privileged life in an exclusive enclave and
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  Speaker 1: they had everything you could possibly imagine, but apparently not happy.
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  Speaker 2: So how many times have we dealt with that as
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  Speaker 2: an underlying theme whenever you and I are having these discussions.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And that is why you know, I always try
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  Speaker 1: and do a spectrum of cases with people from all
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  Speaker 1: walks of life, because when you see someone who has
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  Speaker 1: the means, the money, the access, the ability to handle
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  Speaker 1: a situation, you know, and it ends up, as police say,
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  Speaker 1: in this case, is murder. Really, you had all the
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  Speaker 1: tools in the avenues for it not to end this way.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the underlying theme or also
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  Speaker 2: is just sometimes when you do have all of the resources,
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  Speaker 2: and you do have all of you know, societally, you
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  Speaker 2: know what should be had from a material possession standpoint.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes once you get all of those things, but you
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  Speaker 2: still realize that it's not equating to happiness. That is
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  Speaker 2: historically when you and I have started to have discussions
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  Speaker 2: on some of these, you know, more unfortunate cases.
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  Speaker 1: And this is this is sad. I mean because we
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  Speaker 1: have four children who have been left traumatized. Mother is missing,
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  Speaker 1: presumed dead, father accused of killing her, and the children
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  Speaker 1: are ranging in ages from well the five and the
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  Speaker 1: fifteen year old we're living at home in the eighteen
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  Speaker 1: and the twenty year old were out. But I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: even if you're twenty years old, your mother is murdered
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  Speaker 1: and your father stands accused, I don't know who has
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  Speaker 1: the wherewithal to process this.
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  Speaker 2: It's two losses, right like, it's two losses within the
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  Speaker 2: same incident, and you know, to be that young and
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  Speaker 2: to deal with that level of I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be redundant here already, but like I mean
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  Speaker 2: that trauma. I don't even know if it's the right
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  Speaker 2: word when you're essentially losing two parents and then one
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  Speaker 2: that you may resent for the rest of your life,
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  Speaker 2: depending on, you know, again, how this investigation plays out,
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  Speaker 2: or what those initial beliefs may have been. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the on the child's part. It's unimaginable and it's
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  Speaker 2: certainly something that you and I would never want to
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  Speaker 2: deal with personally. It's hard enough to talk about these
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  Speaker 2: cases it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is disturbing. So Brad was arrested one month after
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  Speaker 1: Suzanne went missing and then indicted on murder charges. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: so far there are no clues as to where Suzanne's
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  Speaker 1: body may be. And of course Brad says that he
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  Speaker 1: is innocent, and he is presumed innocent. He has a right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to prove himself innocent. There's some challenging evidence here,
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  Speaker 1: and some witnesses, one witness as tiny as five, the
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  Speaker 1: five year old who presumably saw some things and then
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  Speaker 1: shared it with someone at school. So that's part of
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  Speaker 1: how people started piecing this together. But before we get
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  Speaker 1: into all the details of Suzanne's murder, I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to give you the broad strokes there, So now we
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  Speaker 1: can understand what is happening with Suzanne's sister, Teresa Clark.
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  Speaker 1: She's been charged with harassment after allegedly conducting what the
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  Speaker 1: police say a vigorous media campaign against Brad Simpson's relatives.
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  Speaker 1: Teresa allegedly made repeated calls to Brad's family members, often
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  Speaker 1: after midnight, and leaving messages with warnings such as quote,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know who you're messing with. You will not
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  Speaker 1: get away with this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean it leaves you in a
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  Speaker 2: place where, again, we can understand it, but as I
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  Speaker 2: said earlier, the law and emotion aren't always mutually exclusive.
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  Speaker 2: So we can understand why you're doing what you're doing,
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  Speaker 2: but it may not necessarily preclude and arrests, which is
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  Speaker 2: exactly what happened here with her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, police say that she contacted at least four of
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  Speaker 1: Brad's relatives despite warnings from police. And I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: legally that's going to be the key here, because if
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  Speaker 1: she initially started this and then police warned her, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: from a point or in perspective of understanding, Okay, we
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  Speaker 1: know you're suffering, but you can't do this legally for
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  Speaker 1: her case, if that indeed happened, that she got a
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  Speaker 1: kind but firm warning not to do this again and
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  Speaker 1: then maybe allegedly continued. What does that mean.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it means you're on notice, right, So I
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  Speaker 2: mean it certainly can't be said that I did this
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  Speaker 2: by mistake or that this was something that I didn't understand,
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  Speaker 2: would you know, amount to the level of a crime.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, and again at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: and she probably did the calculation herself, no matter where
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  Speaker 2: she may have been emotionally. But I mean, you and
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  Speaker 2: I know she's not going to do two, three, four
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  Speaker 2: or five years or anything along. I mean, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be, if at worst, a slap on the wrist.
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  Speaker 2: And I think for her just it's probably frustrating when
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  Speaker 2: you think that the other family is just over there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, either not taking this seriously, that there's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be any accountability. And you know, the process,
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  Speaker 2: as we know within the criminal justice system, it is
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  Speaker 2: a slow, antagonizingly slow process at times trying to get
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  Speaker 2: from point A to justice right, And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think sometimes for lay people it's hard for lawyers at
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  Speaker 2: times going through the process. But certainly for like lay people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the fact that this guy isn't already you know,
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  Speaker 2: locked up for life convicted of it, it's not enough, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so even if the police are doing their job,
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  Speaker 2: the courts are doing their job, it's probably very difficult
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  Speaker 2: not to just pick up that phone and just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let what is up here out on the people who,
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  Speaker 2: even if they aren't directly responsible, they're the people who
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  Speaker 2: you can get in touch with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are the complications And we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: that when we get deeper into Suzanne's case. Is that
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  Speaker 1: Brad's own brother, after Suzanne went missing, but before it
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  Speaker 1: was arrested, made some very public statements about his you know,
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  Speaker 1: asking demanding his brother come clean about what he knew
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  Speaker 1: and what happened, putting public pressure on his own brother.
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  Speaker 1: I would think that would send a message to Suzanne's family, Look,
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  Speaker 1: we loved Suzanne. We don't think this is okay. We
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  Speaker 1: want to find her and we want justice. So that
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  Speaker 1: I find fascinating. If this family had only said, you know, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you know he's a prince. But that does not appear
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  Speaker 1: to be the case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think so even if we you know,
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  Speaker 2: take the brother's statements at their full worth, which I
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  Speaker 2: think what we're saying here is that it would be
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if refreshing is the right word, but
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  Speaker 2: it's much better than just this never happened. Our son
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  Speaker 2: could never do something like this. My brother could never
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  Speaker 2: do something like this. You know, we we ultimately pray
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  Speaker 2: that Suzanne's found, but clearly, you know, our familiar, our
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  Speaker 2: family member, had nothing to do with it. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: could be a bit frustrating, It would underlie some of
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  Speaker 2: those calls. But even with those statements, you know, wherein
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  Speaker 2: you have some understanding, there's still sometimes just that natural
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  Speaker 2: human inclination for revenge and retribution. And again, if she
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  Speaker 2: hasn't worked all of that through therapeutically on her own,
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  Speaker 2: you know, these are the kinds of things that happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't usually see this. This is what's so interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and for it to come to charges. She was arrested
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  Speaker 1: on four counts of harassment. Teresa was arrested on October
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  Speaker 1: second of this just a few weeks ago, and you
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  Speaker 1: know that's really serious. She ends up apparently spending two
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  Speaker 1: days in jail before she is released. According to media,
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  Speaker 1: outlets who have been covering this. So this is the
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  Speaker 1: latest development in the case. And I just have to
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  Speaker 1: think that this is adding a tremendous amount of stress
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  Speaker 1: to one person, Susanne and Teresa's mother. She has one
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  Speaker 1: daughter who is dead, and now she's got another daughter
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  Speaker 1: who's facing criminal charges. I if I were, if I
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  Speaker 1: were the mother, I don't i'd be I don't think
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  Speaker 1: i'd be able to contain myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, clearly, the focus
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  Speaker 2: is just always going to be, like, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: specifically happened to Suzanne, where is she? I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: know that's going to be the primary focus. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: also when you're already trying to deal with that unimaginable
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  Speaker 2: level of sadness and stress and despair, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: dealing with your other daughter who's now kind of caught
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  Speaker 2: up in the criminal justice system as a direct result of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, essentially the death of your other daughter, I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine that either.
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  Speaker 1: No, And I want to be clear, I'm not defending
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  Speaker 1: Teresa's alleged actions here, but I am having I want
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  Speaker 1: to have a conversation and we'll, I know, we'll have
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  Speaker 1: this on YouTube. About you know, everyone's got a breaking
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  Speaker 1: point and is there some level of compassion and understanding
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  Speaker 1: about how when a murder occurs, we always focus on
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  Speaker 1: one part of it, but this is the fallout and
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  Speaker 1: what can happen as a result of this, especially you
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  Speaker 1: know they've all been together for twenty two years, these families,
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  Speaker 1: these two families have been joined, right, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's it's an aside from the murder case.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering, Philip, because we're going to move
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  Speaker 1: on to Suzanne's case. Now, how does Brad in any
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  Speaker 1: way use this either in his defense or does it
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  Speaker 1: have no bearing on his case?
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine how he Wouldn't you have been doing
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  Speaker 2: this work for you know, well over seventeen years, but
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  Speaker 2: to think about how your alleged actions potentially split up
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  Speaker 2: these families, put your children in this unimaginable situation. You know,
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  Speaker 2: your sister in law is now, you know, essentially dealing
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  Speaker 2: with a case hanging over her head. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you know strategically, Look, I guess if Teresa were
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  Speaker 2: to come in and at some point testify against him
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  Speaker 2: as the investigation continues to unfold, I mean are there
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  Speaker 2: areas there clearly where you could maybe you know, attack
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  Speaker 2: her for being emotionally biased and closed off to maybe
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  Speaker 2: there being other, you know, reasons as to why Suzanne
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  Speaker 2: ended up missing. Sure, but I don't think that's the
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  Speaker 2: primary focus of a strong defense here.
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  Speaker 1: is a woman who allegedly told her banker one year
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  Speaker 1: before she disappeared, if anything ever happened to me, look
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  Speaker 1: for me in a lake. Who says that? Who says that?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: It's just weird. That isn't even funny, even.
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  Speaker 2: Forget the lake part, but just the let's just go
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  Speaker 2: back to the core of that statement. You have a
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  Speaker 2: recognition that your doom maybe impending like that in and
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  Speaker 2: of itself is troubling. That in and of itself is
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  Speaker 2: like a signal and a communication that there are signs
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  Speaker 2: that I may not be here for much longer. And
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  Speaker 2: if that's what you're already thinking based on what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: then certainly when something does happen to you, that's going
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  Speaker 2: to turn up a lot of radars. Like right to
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  Speaker 2: where we're all kind of looking and having this discussion now.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's telegraphing a lot of information about how
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  Speaker 1: Suzanne felt about her safety. Yeah, So when Suzanne did
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  Speaker 1: not show up at school to pick up her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: the five year old, everyone knew something was wrong here,
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  Speaker 1: and soon police would uncover that Suzanne and Brad had
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: had a fight the night before, a fight was which
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was witness It ends up being two fights, actually in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: two different locations, and again both of them witnessed. So
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: let's get to the night of the fight. Suzanne was
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: lasting alive on October six of twenty twenty four after
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: attending a party at the Argyle, which is a private
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: dining club in San Antonio. It's a historic ranch built
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty four. This is old money, this is privilege.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Suzanne and Brad attended the party with their five year
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: old daughter. Brad and Suzanne end up having a fight
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: there and you know, then they all decide to leave,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: but not everybody goes together. Police say that Suzanne left
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the argyle at eight thirty that night with her daughter
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and went to a local grocery store, and based on
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: cell phone data, they were there until eight fifty one
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and from there they went home and that is when
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the fight either picks up again or is a different fight,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: but this is the one that apparently becomes very dangerous.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: According to police, Suzanne reached out to a friend at
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about nine to fifteen pm that evening before heading to
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the friend's home. A minute after Suzanne made that call,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: she calls her mother and her mother says that Suzanne
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: told her that Brad had a her hurt her arm,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: her back, and her neck, and police believe the five
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: year old witnessed this. Suzanne's mother, Barbara Clark, she told
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: police that Suzanne when she shared what had happened to her,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and then the mom's processing this, they hang up and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: then the mother says she tries to call her right
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: back and can't get through. And then the mother shared
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: with police that the reason she was calling Suzanne back
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: was to tell her that she had a plan, She
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: had a solution that she was going to tell Suzanne police,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: come to my house, stay here, bring the kids. And
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the mother says, because she never answered the phone, she
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: never heard my plan. That's heartbreaking.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: When you think this a solution. I mean, we're both parents,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: and so you know that that that core instinctual, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: drive to make sure that your children are okay. I
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: mean it's already probably hard enough to hear that first call,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: but then you try to get a plan together to
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: be able to effectuate your child safety, and then to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: never hear from your child again. That's stuff.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: A key part of the evidence here in investigation is
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: what exactly happened to Suzanne's cell phone and here is
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: why mom can't reach her, right, so something happens, Something
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: happens now Suzanne's cell phone service. There are two a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: few versions of what happened here, and they could all
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: actually be possible. Her cell phone service was disconnected, police say,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: at the request of the account subscriber. According to AT
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and T, this isn't the affidavit. Police say that Brad
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: use the app to turn off the service. Okay, Now,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: when police questioned Brad about Suzanne's disappearance, he tells them
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Suzanne lost her phone at the grocery store. Now, if
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that were possibly true, then you could understand why he
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: would disconnect the service, right because that would make sense.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: However, However, according to the family, they have a group
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: find my Phone option where they all can trace each other,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and according to that feature, Suzanne's phone was last seen
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: pinged alive working at the family home. Is that strong
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: evidence at all?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Okay? So when you start to talk about cell site
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: location evidence, which is exactly what this is, the answer
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is it depends. Because what I'll tell you is, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: when you're using your phone at any given point, right,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: this is pinging off of various towers. No different when
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: we're driving we see those cell phone towers. It's pinging
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: off of towers that provide the strongest signal. So what
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say here, Anna, is there are times
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: where there may be a cell tower that's close to you,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: but it's not providing the strongest signals for whatever given reason,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: whether maybe it's a weather related event, maybe there's some
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: kind of obstruction within your backyard, some kind of tree
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: or something that's like blocking the signal from being as
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: strong is maybe a tower that's a little bit further away.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So the larger answer to your question becomes kind of
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: what is the density layout of the neighborhood with which
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: they live in the town with which they live in,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and the city with which they live in. Because what
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I'll always tell you is, you know, say here in
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: New York where I practice, right particularly in the city,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it's very difficult to ping exactly where a phone is
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: because there are multiple cell towers all over these apartment buildings,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and it is a very dense, closely you know, located population.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: We're all on top of each other. Right in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: more rural areas or in the more suburban areas, it
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: is a little bit easier to say, okay, the last
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: tower that this pinged off of was closer to the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: grocery store as opposed to it being closer to the home.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: If the one that it pinged off to pingdoff was
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: much closer to the home, such that the tower that's
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: close to the grocery store really wouldn't be able to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: have the signal to even reach where she wasn't home.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: He's dealing with the problem, a big problem, because I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: don't know how you answer that, right. So there are
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to tell you is like from a
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: defense standpoint, there are certainly ways with which you can
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: challenge cell site location data, and you can always challenge
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it to say, it's never going to give you a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: specific This phone was in Philip's hand at the time
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: that he was speaking to Anna in his home office.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: You're never going to be able to get that crystal
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: clear detail, but you can certainly get the details quite
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: relative to the general area of where I am. If
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It does. So here's the next question then, which I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: think complicates things and certainly doesn't make things look good
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: for Brad. According to friends of Suzanne, Brad would take
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: away Suzanne's phone as a form of control, apparently had
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: done this a few times before this evening, and police
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: say that they even uncovered a text from Brad's phone
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: supporting this as a behavior. Now, you could be you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: basically a jerk, right taking your wife's phone or her
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: privilege or the use of the phone, you know, which
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is kind of ridiculous if you have small children. But Okay.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: You know, there's being a jerk and then there's like
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: being covering up a crime. This is that. That's those
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: are two ends here. I think jerk for sure fits in.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, which also you know they're not those aren't
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: mutually exclusive either, right right, I mean, it's.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Just it's just like, do not do this to your
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: wife when you have small children. You know that all
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: need to be contacted. It's just not why Let's get
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: back to the night of Suzanne's disappearance. Suzanne arrived at
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: her friend's house at nine twenty five and according to police,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Suzanne was back home about ten pm, and this is
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: when a neighbor hears and sees something. The witness told
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: police that Brad and Suzanne were outside their home physically fighting.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Suzanne was allegedly able to break free from Brad he
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: ran after her tried to grab her, and the neighbor
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: says that they went back into their home to grab
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a flashlight, and somewhere in that process, the neighbor says,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I lost sight of them and what was going on. However,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the neighbor says that they heard screams coming from a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: wooded area bordering the Simpson home. And that about an
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: hour after that incident, the neighbor claims that they heard
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Brad's truck start up, leave and then return an hour later,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and no one sees Suzanne again. So let's look at
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the timeline. According to police, at seven fifty three am
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: on October seventh, this would be the next morning, Brad's
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: truck is seen on surveillance at the daughter's school dropping
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: off the five year old, and then police say he
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: used the rest of the day to cover up his crime.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: An hour after the school drop off, at nine to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: twelve am, Brad's truck is captured on a camera through
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the drive through at a what a Burger restaurant? Okay,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: why is this interesting? Because police say they can see
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: things in the truck from this vantage point. They claim
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that there were three trash bags, a heavy duty trash can,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a bulky item that was wrapped and secured in a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: blue tarp with a metal firewood rack placed over it,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: either to keep it from view or police speculate, maybe
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to keep the tarp from flying off. And according to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the Affidavid, police use cell phone data then to keep
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: tracking where he allegedly went. At a later point, Philip
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and we'll get to it. This stuff when the vehicle
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: is seen again, is no longer in the vehicle. Is
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: there much to surmise here?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, circumstantially, I think there's a lot to surmise.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And you know what we can say is it doesn't
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: look good for Brad's defense. And it looks very much
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: circumstantially as though he's trying to get rid of a body,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: or he's trying to get rid of tools that may
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: have been used to kill a body, especially when you
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: put that in conjunction with the screams like the witness account,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I think, more so even than the more so even
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: than the water Burger video. That's that's heavy, right, Like
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that's heavy, the seeing them fighting, the hearing the screams.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: No one ever hears or sees from her. Again, even
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't go through the drive through, he has problems.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But now he's going through the drive through, these things
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: are seen, and then later they're not seen. I mean circumstantially,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that's there's a reason why he's sitting in jail on
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a three million dollar bond.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yes there is. And one that really creeps me out
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: is we don't know what's in those bags. In that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: trash can and under that tarp. But if that five
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: year old was driven to school with her mother or
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: parts of her mother in the back of that truck,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I just want to vomit.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, just think if you want to vomit, just
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: think about yourself, like on that jury, right, I mean,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: what else. We'll continue to talk, you know, clearly for
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the rest of the show, But just for Brad, his
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: entire defense just says to be like, oh, this is circumstantial,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: primarily just because they don't have a buy right. So
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: if he just wants to say, like they got into
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a fight, she ran off, he has no idea what
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: happened to her, you know, subsequent Sure you could say it,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: but you know, I don't know how much that chips
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: away at the fact that even at this juncture you
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and I kind of talking it out, we're seeing how
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the prosecution is starting to build their case beyond a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. It's tough. Like I've been in these situations Anna,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: where you're getting a case from the inception and you
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: can just see, you know, and you can have conversations
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: with your client. Not only is this an uphill battle,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: it's not even worth climbing up the mountain. It's not
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: even worth taking the first step because we're at a
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: point now where maybe we need to just start thinking
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: about mitigating your sentence, right Like we need to start
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to explain how things got out of control, What psychiatrically
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and psychologically is going on with you such that you
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: can't control your emotions. I mean, that's a lot of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: times the conversations you have to have when you're starting
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to see evidence like this already, the inception, These are
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the conversations you have to have with your clients. It's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: not looking good.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: For Brad No, and it's going to get worse as
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: we continue. So one of the things that police have
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: said is that Brad was doing something with his phone
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: where he was cycling it on and off in order
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I guess to keep from sending data. What confuses me
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: about this, and you know, until we actually get to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the trial or more evidence alleged evidence is released, is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: why not just have your phone off? What is the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: point of on and off? Because that to me sounds
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: like a risky thing to do, but it's but I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: guess it's possible he needed to contact some people in
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the middle. I don't know, I just find that one
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: best thing is to be off.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, but Ama, maybe like when you're in this
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: level of you know, potential culpability, I'll put it to
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you like this. You know, you and I were having
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: some discussions. You know. I've tried a couple of lengthy
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: cases over the course of the last year, like two
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: five week trials. The second one I tried this past summer.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: One of the co defendants had done just that, like
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: exactly what you just said. He turned the phone off,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: but he turned the phone off for the very specific
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: period that the alleged conduct was occurring. And then on
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the other side of like said conduct, when it was
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: all said and done, his phone miraculously comes back on.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So right, there was no on and off like during
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the period. But again circumstantially, I mean, the government was
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: really on that particular co defendant. They were hitting hard on. Look,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: we get sometimes phones turn off, we get people don't
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: charge their phone. That's all fine and well, But what's
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the coincidence on top of all the other coincidences that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: it just happened to be off for this set period
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of time, which during that set period of time, we're
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: telling you our theory of the case and what we
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: think this co defendant did you know it could be
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the same thing with respect to Brad. So sometimes when
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you're this deep into your own culpability and your own
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: bad decisions, whether you turn it off and you turn
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: it back on, whether you keep it off again. He's
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: having problems just from the fact that he's fighting with
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Suzanne in the front yard for everybody to you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: see and hear screams that witness is his problem. The
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: turning the phone off and on. It's just another circumstantial
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: building block that the prosecution can use.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Let's get on to how things get worse here. So
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: after the what a Burger stop, Brad allegedly drove to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: home depot and reportedly purchased two bags of concrete A
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: right A. You know he is in real estate development.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: So again, as a defense attorney, that's an area where
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you know, when you're giving your opening argument, you do
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: make mention of that, Hey, this is a circumstantial he's
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: in real estate development. It's not uncommon for him to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you know, go to home depot purchase these types of items.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: But also again it's just another coincidence on top of
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: another coincidence at a certain point. It's just not a coincidence.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: That's the point.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't believe in coincidences, and especially when it
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: comes to murder cases.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry talk about that before. You're not a coincidence
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: fan at all, not for murder.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe for just random things in life, sure, in life, yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: but not murder. So a purchase two bags of concrete,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a home depot construction bucket with a lid, a box
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of heavy duty trash bags, insect repellent, and a thirty
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: ounce bottle of chlorox spray. Police were able to obtain
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a copy of the receipt even though it was paid
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: for cash. While now this is you got me.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: An insect repellent, you repellent, that's like all of that's
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a problem. The insect repellent is a huge problem for
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: obvious reasons.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Obvious reasons, right, like trying to like the flies and
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the mag like all of that stuff away. That's that's a.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true. Or or unless you're someone like me who
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: constantly gets bitten, if I were the perpetrator, I would
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: be using the insect repellent on myself during the commission
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of the burial or the disposal of the body. That
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: would just be me because we all have sensitivities. Now,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: while in the home depot parking lot, this one is
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: actually unbelievably ridiculous. Police say Brad asked someone for directions
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to the nearest dump because his phone obviously he has
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it off. But here's the problem. The person remembers Brad
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: asking them for directions to the dump. Plus license plate
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: readers capture Brad allegedly traveling to and from that dump site.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Again, you're not a coincidence span when it comes to murders.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: So add that piece as well.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, I you know, I think of we always
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: rely so heavily on the forensics and the DNA evidence,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And here you have witnesses that are giving you pieces
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of a of a narrative, if you will, the story
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: of what happened.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And witnesses.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, this person doesn't know, but this person doesn't care.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, and it's not a crazy question if
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: you're at a home depot to ask where the dump is,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Like that is a very reasonable question to ask and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: would not seem like until then you later realize, hey,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: wait a second, I recognize this guy exactly so at
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: four seven pm, surveillance footage allegedly captures Brad and his
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: truck at the Bubble Bath car wash in San Antonio.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Blue tarp, firewood.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Rack gone, What time did you stand?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Four to seven pm? Four pm? Police say that he
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: washed the vehicle, paying close attention to the driver's front
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: side and rear passenger side of the vehicle. Authorities claim
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that they later located dried cement splashes in both of
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: those places. Well, is that really unusual if we know
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that he bought cement, unless they're looking forensically for blood
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and or any kind of DNA of Suzanne. But however,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: here's the other thing. If you've been married for twenty
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: two years, presumably Suzanne's DNA is going to be all
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: over his vehicle vice versa. It's everywhere, unless it's a
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: lot of blood, and then that would be weird.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: That's the issue. It's not the DNA, it would be blood.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Correct. So, when Suzanne did not pick up the five
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: year old, remember this was the trigger for everybody else
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: in Suzanne's family and world friends became very nervous and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a friend contacted Brad on that evening. This is October
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: seventh saying their word like where's Suzanne? Have you called
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the police? And he hadn't called the police. So apparently
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the friend calls the police to say that Suzanne is missing,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and that would have happened at ten fifty seven pm.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: At nine to fifty seven pm, so almost ten pm
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: is when the friend reports Suzanne missing. Brad had not.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: But after this conversation, Brad decides, I guess I better
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: make a call myself and does something interesting. He leaves
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: voicemail for the police chief informing him that his wife
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: is missing. Is that who you usually called? Do you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: just leave VM, Hey, Suzanne's missing. I guess if you
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: know the police chief really well.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: That's funy, that's all. Even if you know the police
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: chief very well, then use that connection much earlier than
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: ten pm the following day, after screams were heard in
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the woods. Start with that most of us would just
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: think to just call nine to one one or just
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to run down to the precinct and immediately start to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: get some assistance. But yeah, in terms of just like
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: leaving a voicemail or just a text like, hey, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: dealing with a little issue over here, get back at
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: your convenience or who knows what he wrote, but like, relatively,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: it's always going to amount to that. If you weren't
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: running to that precinct the moment again that your child,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: your five year old wasn't picked up right and you
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: weren't calling nine one one, you might as well have
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: just done what I alluded to, right, So I think
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: that's a problem.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Also, there are some discrepancies. According to the authorities, Brad
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: told police that he hadn't seen his wife since around
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: eleven PM on the sixth, That would be the night
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: after that fight, after they went out that night. Okay
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: said he saw her in the family home. That would
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: line up with the family's you know group find my
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: phone right that that was the last time she h
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: her phone ping there. But there's a conflict really with
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: what he told the police chief, which was something else.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: He told the police chief that he hadn't seen his
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: wife since the morning the next morning of October seventh.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: You know where we see him at water Burger, we
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: see him at O Deepa all that. So he says
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: he last saw his wife that morning at six thirty am,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: as he was leaving to drop off the five year
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: old at school. How would you not know when you
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: last saw your wife? If your wife has disappeared, how
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: do you not know that? That's really suspicious to me.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: You know, you're telling police two radically different versions of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Especially when you're not separated, you know what I mean.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: You guys are still living in the same home like
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that's you know, I know when I last saw him wife. Yes,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I can't see exactly what time it was this morning,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: but it was definitely this morning, you know what I mean?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So, yes, yeah, and if she were missing, you would
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: rack your brain to figure it out every clue and say,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I can narrow it down to this window, because it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: very unusual for your wife to be missing. So let's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: talk about the tiniest of the witnesses here, the five
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: year old. Allegedly the daughter told a school counselor that
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: she had witnessed the fight between her mother and father.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: The child allegedly told this school employee that her dad
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: pushed her mom against the wall. The little girl told
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the adult hit mommy in the face and hurt Suzanne's elbow.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: The girl allegedly told police that Brad had turned off
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Suzanne's cell phone because they were fighting. Now, doesn't that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: all bring everything full circle?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I mean from a circumstantial standpoint, we almost now start
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to get more into you know, the direct evidence, right,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: because like you're saying, it's that that that puzzle is
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: coming together. You know, there's a lot of pieces, but
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: that's a.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Big one, and I believe the five year old.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, listen, with respect to you know, witnesses,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: like let's say, like at a trial or what have you,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: there's always going to be a bit of a question
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: just in regards to you know, a child's ability to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: perceive and their ability to like consistently you know, reflect
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the truth and state the truth. But I'll certainly say this,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: even if there may be issues with a five year
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: old testifying and whether that makes sense or not, certainly
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: for the purposes of the investigation, that is very damning,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: very damning.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Because the little girl told someone at school the next
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: morning before anyone really knew that's Suzanne was missing. It's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: not like the girl was interrogated by police, and which
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of course they would do that very carefully to not
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: cause further trauma. But that to me, it feels very authentic,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: very genuine that a child is worried tells someone who
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: is a mandatory reporter about something going on here that,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to me, that is huge. That and the witness who
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: heard the screaming, and then the guy in the parking
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: lot at home depot not as strong as these two,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: but and then what Suzanne told the friend told her mother.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's all lining up, and it would be really hard
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to imagine that Suzanne could have conspired to arrange all
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of these stories just to set up Brad, I don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like run away into some other life of
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: something and then you know the other you know, variable
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: of you know what, a scene in the car at
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the Whata Burger right, so you know, all of those
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: things in line.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you think about it, there isn't just one
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: money goal, you know. I've been saving for retirement, thank goodness.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: My son's already done with college. But there's always something
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: that I'm saving for.
• 43:20
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• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Police say that Brad made some additional attempts to conceal
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: whatever evidence there may have been from this crime. Allegedly,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: on October eighth, Brad texted with his business associate, a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: man named James Cotter, who now stands accused of helping
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Brad conceal fire arms the text exchange. The text exchange
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: reportedly occurred at four thirty five pm and goes as follows.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: So this is now Brad. Brad says, if you're in Bandera,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: can you haul ass and meet me at your house?
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I don't have much time, according to the EFFI. David
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: James allegedly responds, I'll be there in forty minutes. Brad
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: allegedly adds, okay, make sure and leave all that shit
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: into the pumphouse, especially the gun. Why would you tell
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: your friend to hide a gun just on the day
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: or two days after your wife is missing, right?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I don't have the answer to that, And that's again
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: one of those things that you know when they I'm
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: looking at that initial case file, like on day one,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I can't even conceive what the proper answer would be
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: outside of the fact that nothing you say is not
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: going to lead me to believe that this isn't a
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: cover up or a part again of the rest of
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: your plan to get away with this. So why don't
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: we just have the come to Jesus moment now and
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: start to work on how to potentially mitigate your sentence Again,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's death eligible, if it's a
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: capital related offense that they may move on at a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: certain point, but to the extent that it's not, he
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: needs to be focusing on is there any potential salvation
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: towards the end of his life, and if there's going
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to be, we got to start working on that now.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: It does add a lot of clarity as to why
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the police have charged him and why he's being held
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: on such high It certainly is making sense. Then these
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: two reportedly texted a little later at eight thirty one pm,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and police say that James texted Brad this, get over here.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I won't tell anyone. You're my brother, My guesses James,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: who's facing his own legal issues. If James tells the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: authorities what happened allegedly, isn't it conceivable that James knows
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: where Susanne is.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: It's conceivable. I mean, like you said, he's dealing with
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: his own quasi accessory, you know, type of legal issues,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: and you know, at a certain point, are they going
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: to come to him and just say like, look, you
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: know you're dealing with your own issues, your leverage yourself.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Don't get yourself much further caught up in Brad's own
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: decision making. We can give you this opportunity to save yourself,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: but you're gonna have to give us some information and
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: maybe that is when it comes up. So it's certainly
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: conceivable Anna that he would know. Even if he didn't
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: specifically know you know, where exactly, you know, her remains are,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: he still may be able to give more information. That again,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: is another circumstantial block to just basically boxing Brad into
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: There's no way that you can get out of this. Right.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: You did it, and that's it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: We don't know what James knows and what part James
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: played in any of this. If he did, presumed innocent,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: it's not like he was seen in any of these
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: surveillance videos on the day after the fight, so there's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: no reason to believe that he was there disposing of
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the body. But we don't know what he knows, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: hopefully he will share this because I think that would
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: certainly be the right thing to do now. On October ninth,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: police arrested Brad on counts of assault, family violence, and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: unlawful restraint. According to authorities, Brad did not appear surprised
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: and never questioned why he was being arrested, and police
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: say he had multiple bruises on his hands and arms.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, if someone came to arrest me and my partner,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: my significant other, my husband and my wife were missing,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and you're arresting me and I had nothing to do
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: with it, I'd probably throw fit.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's just exercising that Fifth Amendment right to
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: remain silent.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Right Later that day, police served a search weren't on
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the Simpson family home and a property owned by Brad
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: in Bandera, Bandera being the place where he asked his
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: friend to haul ass to get to. At the home,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: authorities claimed that they found a wall with some damage
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: which would corroborate the little girl's claims about where and
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: how Daddy hit mommy. On the Bandera property, police say
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: they located a ground level burn site where they allegedly
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: located a burnt laptop, multiple cell phone devices, cellular devices
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: including three phones, and they say they all belonged to Brad.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: They were able to somehow scrape out two notes allegedly
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: found on one of the cell phones that included a
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: ologies for physically assaulting his wife back in August of
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, a year before she disappeared, and then
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: again on October six. That's interesting, I mean, okay, so
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: he's apologizing for it. Okay. Then on October twenty first, okay,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: remember we're still in the month that Suzanne disappeared. Here,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: James Cotter, the business associate, was arrested in charge with
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: tampering with evidence and possessing a prohibited weapon. Police say
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: they recovered in AK forty seven allegedly belonging to brad
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: on James's property, and that the weapon was allegedly hidden
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: behind a wall mount for a television and fitted with
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: a string to retrieve it.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: So was it like it was behind the drywall or
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: it was in between the TV and the drywall.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: It's from my understanding, it was you know how you
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: have those giant mounts, those brackets on the wall. I
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: think it was literally behind the TV, between the TV
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and the drywall. And then there was a string. I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: fascinated by the string.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: That's that's strange, but not strange. When we're coupling everything
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: else that we've coupled together throughout the last hour that
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: we've been talking, it sounds more like a plan and
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy. That's what it sounds like to me.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Now, authorities claim that the weapon was illegally
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: modified to fire automatically. James has since been released on
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: a bond after his bail was lowered from one million
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: dollars to one hundred thousand dollars. Okay, so that seems
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to be the evidence. Now I want to talk a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: little bit back to the family and what's going on here,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: because really this brings us back to the cistern in
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: many ways. Town and Country magazine did a fascinating article
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: when this first happened, and they say, and this was
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: reported by other media outlets. The ten days after Suzanne disappeared,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Remember we talked about Brad's brother. Brad's brother, Barton wrote
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a public post on Facebook and he said, until Brad
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: chooses to cooperate, we will continue to cooperate for him,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: as we have from the very beginning of this heartbreaking ordeal.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: He wrote, this is not how he was raised and
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: this is not who we are. And he finished it
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: by writing, and we will not rest until we find Suzanne.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Very bold on the brother's part the right thing to do, sir.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: So that would certainly, I think send a message to
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Suzanne's family that you know, the Simpsons do not agree
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: with this and we are in support of finding our
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: treasured Suzanne. Now let's talk about the kids. Brad and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Suzanne's daughter, Chandler Simpson, who is the oldest of the children,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: has been very outspoken. According to Town and Country, in
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: early November, this is a month before Suzanne went missing,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Chandler posted a series of stories on her Instagram directly
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: implicating her father. This is before Suzanne disappears, and this
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: is what she wrote. They quoted directly. My mom was
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: a victim of abuse from my father. My father took
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: my mother's life in a state of rage and control.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: This would have been obviously after Suzanne disappeared, she continued,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And those who chose to remain silent are choosing to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: blind themselves from domestic violence in our homes. My mom
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: tried to leave my father and lost her life. No
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: one else has said that. I just I think the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: daughter knows a lot. I think she knows a lot.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's just corroborating, like what for us, I
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: don't even want to say. It's like the elephant in
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the room, right But we were already thinking that anyway,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I mean from whenever we initially started talking about him
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: taking her phone. The daughter is just saying like what
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: we're all thinking. But the fact is it's the daughter
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: that's saying it, so it's all the more powerful and compelling.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Now you have two daughters, yeah, a five year old
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and a twenty year old, right, who are providing a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: lot of evidence. I think, you know the other things
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: she did, and it's very interesting, And you know, I
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: think Chandler makes a great point here. And Chandler had
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: been living away from the house. She had been studying
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: fashion in New York and Paris. But Chandler put a
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: lot of blame and responsibility on her parents' community, the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you know, wealthy neighborhood where they live, the people that
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: they went to the club with, the people in their
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: world for in many ways, not standing up here if
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: and when they saw anything wrong. She's a young person,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and who knows how strong her voice would have been.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But one expects an adult to know a little bit
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: more about what's right and wrong. So I don't necessarily
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: blame Chandler at all. And for heaven's sakes, her mother
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: is dead and her father is accused of killing her.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Then on November seventh, says A month later, Brad is
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: finally charged with Suzanne's murder. A grand jury returned indictments
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: for multiple charges, including murder. In the supporting paperwork for
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the indictment, prosecutors noted another piece of alleged evidence. According
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to authorities, they located a saw at Brad's that apparently
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: he was trying to conceal and they say tested positive
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: for Suzanne's blood mm, nail in the coffin.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or body parts unfortunately in the trash bag or
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the trash can that was seen in the truck from
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the water burker, right, which then goes back to your
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: point that, Yeah, if there was any part of Suzanne
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: in that vehicle on that morning ride to school, the
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: o this guy is, there may not be any mitigation
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: for them, you know what I mean, Like, no matter
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: what was going on with him, nobody may honor it.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: That's bad.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, I'm the worst thing is killing someone's mother, right,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Accused of her own child's mother, on top of.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: His own child's mother. But then the idea of this
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: innocent little kid writing happily off to school, maybe with
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: mommy in the back of the truck. I just like
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Nor can I I just can't.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: So Brad remains in custody on a three million dollar bond.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: In December of last year, he received this is interesting
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: limited permission to write supervised letters to his fifteen year
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: old child. His two adult children, eighteen twenty one of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: them Chandler, have chosen not to have any contact with them.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: They don't want anything to do with them. And then
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: there's the five year old. Well, he's forbidden from contacting
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: the five year old because she is a witness to
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: this crime. And we have talked about this before on
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the podcast. The complication, The complication, I've seen this where
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: some judges have permitted contact. So one parent is accused
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: of killing the other parent, okay, and then you have
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the children who are left like completely abandoned. Right both
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: your parents are not available to you, And how judges
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: determine whether the children can or cannot be contacted, because
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: one would think the child might need the surviving parent
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: to maybe reassure them, which I know sounds crazy if
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: they're charged with killing your parent. But it's it's such
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: a complicated thing because I don't know what's right to
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  Speaker 1: let parents contact the children. Clearly the five year old
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: can't be but the five year old is like, how
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  Speaker 1: does she process this? She's so young, She's so young.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, listen, I'm not a big when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to practicing. I say as far away from
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: family and matrimonial court as one can because the issues
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: that they have to deal with in there is just
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: generally are already tough enough. I have some good friends
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  Speaker 2: who are family court judges, and what I'll say, and
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: what you already know, is that the standard in family
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  Speaker 2: court when you're talking about custody and visitation, it's always
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: going to be what's in the best interest of the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: child right and having to make that determination. You know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I guess Brad could say at this point, like to
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  Speaker 2: your point, and I'm presumed innocent. I haven't been convicted
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: at this point. Sure, I've been indicted, but I haven't
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: been convicted. You know, it's still in my child's best
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: interest to know who her father is and you know,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the parental support. No matter what I may or may
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: not have done with respect to Suzanne, you know, it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: a tough decision for a family court just to say
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  Speaker 2: absolutely not, I'm writing you out of the life of
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  Speaker 2: your daughter, even based on the terrible decision that you
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  Speaker 2: may have made with respect to her mother. It's just
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: that's a bench I wouldn't want to sit on. I
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: don't like going in the courts, let alone thinking about
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: sitting on that bench and having to make those decisions.
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  Speaker 2: But it's complicated. It's not just as easy as many
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  Speaker 2: people would just like for him to just be cut
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  Speaker 2: off from the five year old, because the law it
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't really permit that. And before you're like terminating parental rights,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I mean the showings that have to be made, the
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  Speaker 2: levels of abandonment that have to be shown, you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: do processually. It's tough. So yeah, you know, I get
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: the fact that she's a witness, so for that reason
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: he can't speak with her at this juncture. But to
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: think that like communication will be cut off for all
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: time or forever, or that it's that he won't have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: rights to visitation even potentially like while he's locked up,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you know, these are all things that remain in play.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: The thing about the five year old, and I know
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: you have younger children, is you know, at that age,
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  Speaker 1: especially like three to five ish children think that they
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: are everything is because of them, that they are, that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: they have the power right everything is based on them
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that they can do things. Meaning I'm wondering if this
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: five year old is internalizing and blaming herself that her
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  Speaker 1: father is in prison and she's alone because of what
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: she told the person at school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough a whole that's a whole level of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: layers and nuance that.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's so young, you know, she's five. She
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: apparently witnesses what could have even been the deadly blow
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to her to her mom, we don't know. So she
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: witnesses her father hurting her mother. She says that in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: itself is traumatic. And then if you think because of
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  Speaker 1: what I told school, now daddy is in prison, I mean, oh,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: that is a lot for a five year old.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna tell you this morning, I was
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: dropping my seven year off, seven year old off at school,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: and there's generally like a fork in this one road
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: wherein you can take one way or the other way
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: and we can still end up at the school, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: sometimes it really is a crapshoot as to which way
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: is going to have more traffic. So my daughter told
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: me to take the right path, right, So I'm like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: what I mean, we were on time this morning anyway,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: So I took the right path. We did end up
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: in some traffic, and like when we ended up in
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: the traffic, she was like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Like I put us on this course. I'm like, Natalie,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I'm the one driving, Like I got it. I'm good.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I could have went left. I went right all the time.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: But like they'll internalized stuff like that. So when you're
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: saying to like the level of oh, man, did I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: get my dad locked up and I don't have my
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: mother anymore? That's tortuous, you know, Like all of Brad's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: controlling decisions and decision making, it's at another level of selfish,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: because like, look what you put your kids in because
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: of like whatever issues you felt you had with Suzanne.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: It was never worth this. I get it. He's presumed innocent.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a defense attorney. I get it. But I'm just
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: saying circumstantially, it's not looking good. And if he did
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: do it, come on, man.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: So additional pre trial hearings in the murder case are
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: set for January of next year. Trial data scheduled for February.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: He faces charges of murder, tampering with evidence, and intend
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to impair a corpse, tampering, fabricating physical evidence with the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: intent to impair, in possession of prohibited weapons while the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: search for Suzanne's body continues, at least some of Simpson's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Suzanne's children, they are living with brother Brad. Okay, so
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: that's where the kids are. I can't tell you whether
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: that's right or wrong. My gut is. I mean, it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: seems like Bart has shown himself to be a decent
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: person who has wanted the right thing for Suzanne and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: would go against his brother and his family in order
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: to do the right thing. However, when there is one
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: family versus another, let's not forget the sister on the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: other side who's very upset. Here is there ever? I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: know family court's not your thing, but I don't like,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: do the children go with the accused family? Do the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: children go with the victims family? They're both, they're all family.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: But you see what I mean?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: No, I see what you mean, And that's what I'm saying.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: The court has to make the assessment of just what's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: in the best interests. Who are the children closest with,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Who's going to be able to make sure that they
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: can get to school and make sure they're fed and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of you know, factual evidence
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: that generally has to come out of most hearings so
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the court can make a proper assessment. But yeah, the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: to go live with the family of the accused. It's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: not as if it's just written into the law that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: that could never happen, especially if that's the best situation
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: for the children.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: MM, all things considered. Indeed, Bart told me to outlets
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: last December. My brother's children are surrounded with love and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: caring and compassion and are doing as well as you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: can think you could for anybody in this situation. He
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: also has not appeared at all to defend his brother,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: telling the media that Brad does not seem like the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: same person, and it has made me very sad. We
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: will be watching this case. We are not going to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: have a comment section today because our producer, Will Updyke
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: is on vacation. That's right, he's taking a break from us,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: a well deserved break from us. However, as you know,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I read your comments on YouTube, where we have a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: very active community, and I sometimes like to share your comments.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: So on our last podcast, Philip.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: We had a very spicy, spicy a guest, his name
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: is Don Teybec and Don is a former homicide investigator.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: And Don has no filter and he really says it
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: the way it is. He curses up a storm. He's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: like a salty sailor, and people love him.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I'm a side investigators. I like that. Look anyone I've
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: worked with, it's like it's a pedigree you have to have,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: apparently to be able to do the work. But they're
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: all like that.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: And so the first time he came on a few
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: months ago, everyone was like, oh my god, he's so refreshing,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: bring him back. So we brought him back and well,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: he was on fire. And it was a very interesting case.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: It was a very sad case about a twin boy
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: who was taken from his crib and then killed and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: is just horrible. And there's you know, cameras and baby
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: monitor that witnessed that that killer came back for the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: second child but didn't get the second child. Anyway, Don
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: was our guest, and many of the comments really were
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: not about the case, but they were about Don. So
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I want to share them. So number dot one cart
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  Speaker 1: cat whisperer excuse me writes, I love Don so happy
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  Speaker 1: he came back. I remember this case and glad this
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: guy was caught. I remember when this was originally posted
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: back when. Sorry that the coward took a pleap, but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: glad that the family doesn't have to live through the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: details because sometimes we feel you know, this deal this guy,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's on video he kills this four year
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: old and right before jury sentencing, he takes a deal
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: which includes the possibility of parole, all to avoid the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: death penalty. And many people were just outraged at that.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: K LGM sixty three Rights, I'm disgusted that this guy
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: was pled out and given possibility of parole. The judge
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: that allowed this better look better lock his doors because
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: evil like this is everywhere. And then Melody Walker three
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: eight zero five rights, this case is so sad, heartbreaking
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and disgusting. We need more Don. I love Don. We
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: need more Dons in the judiciary system. Zero tolerance. So
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Don's a fireball. We'll have Don back.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Don.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: He's different, He's very different. So Philip, where can people
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: find you and follow you social media? Your law practice?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Well, we're still running the practice in the financial District
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: of Manhattan, forty eight Wall Street. If you're ever in
• 1:07:54
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• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: My favorite videos that you post on Instagram are the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: ones when you were driving to and from Court. I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: don't know why you know you're going over the bridge,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: you're driving downtown. I don't know. I feel like you
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: just take me there along with you.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know, thanks, like because sometimes you know,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: when you're practicing here, you forget that. You know, when
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I was a child and I used to come to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: New York and visit my dad when he was here,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: and I would just look at the ooh and the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: ah and the lights and the bridges and all this
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and that it was amazing. But then like after a while,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: you're just here and it's just a part of the landscape, right,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: It's a part of just river I have to get
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: over to get to Court, this and that. But I think, yeah, sometimes,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: just like doing those recordings, it reminds myself like, oh, yeah,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: you know, this is a magical place and it's a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: great place to practice.
• 1:08:46
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