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Movie Maker Teen Daughter Gunned Down. WHY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: You may have heard of the famous book turned into
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Speaker 1: a movie, Hotel for Dogs, kind of a kid's book.
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Speaker 1: It's very, very famous, and I'm sure a lot of
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Speaker 1: you have seen the movie. But what many people don't
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Speaker 1: know is that the author of Hotel for Dogs, Lois Duncan,
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Speaker 1: was famous for another reason in my world, because your
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Speaker 1: daughter was murdered. How does it all unfold and what
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Speaker 1: does a major break in the case tell us. Let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Listen to this. Eighteen year old
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Arquette was driving home late on a summer night
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Speaker 1: when someone shot her twice in the head. The murder,
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Speaker 1: on a mostly deserted Albuquerque street, had the markings of
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Speaker 1: a random drive by shooting. Four months police detectives thought
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Speaker 1: elusive clues in the teenagers murder. They had no weapon,
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Speaker 1: no motive, and no suspect. Family members publicly accused police
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Speaker 1: of inaction that sounds like a big mess brewing no weapon,
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Speaker 1: no motive, no suspect. The family now accusing the police
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Speaker 1: of doing nothing while their team girl dies seemingly by
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Speaker 1: a random act. You were just hearing, Larry Barker KATV
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Speaker 1: what happened to this beautiful young girl, Caitlin Arquette. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories. Who is Caitlin? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Nancy Laughlin k r QE. She was
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Speaker 1: a pretty popular girl, an eighteen year old with dreams
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Speaker 1: of one day becoming a doctor. But on a July night,
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Speaker 1: those dreams died when someone murdered Caitlin Arquette. From working
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Speaker 1: for so many, so many years just to get the
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Speaker 1: answer to why our daughter died. July sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine,
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Speaker 1: Caitlyn had just had dinner at her friend's home. Police
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Speaker 1: say she was driving east on Lomas when someone chased her,
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Speaker 1: shot her and left her for dead. I wake up
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Speaker 1: every night to the sound of gunshots and to the
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Speaker 1: sound of my daughter calling mother, mother, help, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not there. I cannot even imagine waking up every night
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Speaker 1: thinking your child is calling you, mom, mom, Mommy, help me,
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Speaker 1: help me, And you wake up, you come to the
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Speaker 1: realization your child is dead and you were not there
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Speaker 1: to help. You were away, you were far away, and
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Speaker 1: there's nothing you could do to save your child's life.
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Speaker 1: But that is the burden that this famous, famous book
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Speaker 1: saw this author carried Let me introduce you an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it at all and
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Speaker 1: with the breaking news in the murder of Caitlin Arquette.
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Speaker 1: First of all, doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, star of a brand new Netflix hit,
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Speaker 1: Bling Empire. Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert and founder director of
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Speaker 1: the Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Crimes dot org. Patricia Carristo, Executive director of the Resource
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Speaker 1: Center for Victims of Violent Death and PI. Doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida at pathcaremd
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Speaker 1: dot com and senior lecturer University Florida Medical School and
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Speaker 1: founder of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Also
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Speaker 1: joining me columnists with the Albuquerque Journal, Jolene Guterrest Krueger.
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Speaker 1: Special guest joining me right now is Carrie Arquette. This
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Speaker 1: is Caitlin's sister, the daughter of Lois, the author of
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Speaker 1: Hotel for Dogs, and Lois also wrote One to the Wolves.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear our friend
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Speaker 1: Dave Lopshire at KOATV carry our kid says that she
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Speaker 1: was driving to the hospital to spend the last moments
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Speaker 1: of her sister's life with her. She couldn't help but
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Speaker 1: fear for the people she drove by. There are all
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Speaker 1: these kids exactly Kate's h and they're sitting in little
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Speaker 1: the strokes out on the sidewalk, and they're riding their bikes,
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Speaker 1: and they're walking down the street with their books, and
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Speaker 1: they're standing in front of their dorms. And I wanted
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Speaker 1: to hang out the window and scream at them go inside,
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Speaker 1: close your windows and lock your doors, and go inside,
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Speaker 1: because this is not a safe place to be At
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Speaker 1: this point. Police have no idea who shot Caitlin Arquette,
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Speaker 1: and they're hoping somebody somewhere may have seen something that
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Speaker 1: might give them a lead. We would like, you know,
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Speaker 1: of course, to appeal to the public to see if
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Speaker 1: they have any information at all, if anybody was going by,
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Speaker 1: if they've heard anything. Any information is going to help us,
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Speaker 1: because right now we don't have anything. I can't imagine
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Speaker 1: losing your child and then seemingly hitting a dead end.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Carrie Arquette, this is Caitlin's sister, Carrie.
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about you trying desperately to get
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Speaker 1: to your sister's side before she died. What happened when
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Speaker 1: you first learn that your sister had been a crime victim,
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Speaker 1: and describe the journey trying to get to her side.
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Speaker 1: So I was living in Texas. I was the mother
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Speaker 1: of two very young children. And the phone rang at
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Speaker 1: about one am, and my husband picked it up, and
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Speaker 1: he heard my mother his voice, and he started to
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Speaker 1: hand it to me, but mother told him, no, I
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Speaker 1: need to tell you something, because she wanted him prepared
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Speaker 1: so he could support me once she gave me the news.
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Speaker 1: And then he handed me the phone and she said,
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Speaker 1: Kate's been shot. And all I could think was that
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Speaker 1: she had been that a kid that she had been
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Speaker 1: babysitting might have gotten into his parents' guns and accidentally
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Speaker 1: shot her, because she was a babysitter for the whole neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: And then when I found out that that wasn't the case,
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Speaker 1: I could barely breathe and got to Kate's side, and she,
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Speaker 1: of course was in a coma, and I sat there.
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Speaker 1: I remember mother saying catch her. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: a very odd thing to say. That Mother was very
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Speaker 1: wise and she knew that somehow I needed to make
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Speaker 1: that human connection that this still was my little sister,
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Speaker 1: because she didn't look at all like Kate. And I
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Speaker 1: remember laying her lullabies that my mother had written and
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Speaker 1: my sister had sung and produced. And I remember telling
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Speaker 1: her I was just gathering and telling her that I
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Speaker 1: had taken her little nieces to save Peter Pan. And
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Speaker 1: I remember saying something about flying and how wonderful and
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Speaker 1: magical that must be, and that if she felt it
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Speaker 1: was time for her to fly, it was going to
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Speaker 1: be an adventure and that she should go. Why do
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Speaker 1: you say that she looked nothing like Caitlin. I am
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Speaker 1: a criminologist, so you would think that I would have
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Speaker 1: an idea of what happens to a person when they're
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Speaker 1: shot in the head. At we shot in the head
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Speaker 1: with a kind of bullet that killed Kate, and a
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Speaker 1: head can swell. Somehow, I thought that a that a
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Speaker 1: skull was like a rock and that it was just solid.
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Speaker 1: But her head had swollen enormously and it was bandaged,
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Speaker 1: and all you could see were her eyes, and they
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Speaker 1: of course were black and blue. And she Kate was
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Speaker 1: always so full of energy. She was always doing something,
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Speaker 1: and to see her prone in the hospital bed completely
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Speaker 1: completely still and not just still like drained of her
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Speaker 1: life force. That and the bandaging made her look nothing
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Speaker 1: like my little sister. Guys, you were hearing the voice
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Speaker 1: of Carrie Arquette. This is Caitlin Quete's sister who made
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Speaker 1: the mad race to the hospital to try and assist
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Speaker 1: to see her sister before she died. I want to
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Speaker 1: go straight out to Jelene Guitarres Krueger with the Albuquerque Journal, Jolly,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Describe what
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Speaker 1: you know about the facts surrounding the shooting of Caitlin Arquette. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's some controversy as to what exactly happened,
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Speaker 1: but what it appears that happened is that Caitlin was
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Speaker 1: shot in the skull twice in the head. There's a big,
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Speaker 1: large bullet wound in her car as well, which which
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Speaker 1: made people wonder if perhaps there were more than one
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Speaker 1: gun used. Now, her car, a red four Tempo, had
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Speaker 1: veered a cross oncoming traffic. Luckily there wasn't any, and
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Speaker 1: she ended up or the car ended up smashed into
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Speaker 1: a pole on the sidewalk near on a street called Lomas,
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Speaker 1: which is a fairly busy street normally. And now after that,
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Speaker 1: there was a police officer who was off duty. Nevertheless,
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Speaker 1: I think police officers are never always off duty. He
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Speaker 1: drives by and he sees this. He thinks it's just
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Speaker 1: a car, and there's another car next to it, a
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Speaker 1: Volkswagen Bug, and he thinks, oh, they're just looking at cars. Now,
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Speaker 1: how did that make sense? When there are two cars
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Speaker 1: on the sidewalk and one is smashed into a pole.
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Speaker 1: But that's the initial thought. He doesn't see Caitlin because
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Speaker 1: she slumped over in her car on the front seat.
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Speaker 1: He comes back around and calls it in as an
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Speaker 1: accident without injuries. Oh wow, oh wow again, how does
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Speaker 1: one make that decient? I guess they didn't even get
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Speaker 1: close enough to the vehicle to realize she was inside.
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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Cheryl McCollum. You have been
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Speaker 1: working this case for so long. You know ins and
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Speaker 1: outs of the case like many others, don't you? And
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Speaker 1: Jolene and Carry what's your understanding of what happened to
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Speaker 1: night that this young girl, gorgeous young girl, brilliant young
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Speaker 1: girls just shot dad in traffic. It's like a random shooting. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable that this would be a drive by shooting
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Speaker 1: with that accuracy. And let me say like that, why
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Speaker 1: do you say drive by shooting because you make it
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Speaker 1: sound like, oh, I'm just gonna drive to mcdonaldson grab
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Speaker 1: a shake, as if there's shape machines ever work. But
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Speaker 1: I was gonna drive through just to drive by a highway.
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Speaker 1: This is seemingly a random murder. And here she is
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Speaker 1: mining her own business and seemingly some freak does a
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Speaker 1: thrill kill just shoot her for no reason exactly. But
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Speaker 1: when you look at it closer and you realize Kate
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Speaker 1: was traveling approximately forty miles an hour. Did you see
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Speaker 1: forty or thirty forty okay struck in her left temple.
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Speaker 1: She's also then struck in her left cheek, maybe an
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Speaker 1: inch apart. Nancy. That is unbelievable shooting for a target
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Speaker 1: that is moving, especially if the shooter is in another
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Speaker 1: vehicle also moving. You and I know people at the
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Speaker 1: police academy standing steel with a target that ain't moving,
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Speaker 1: that couldn't do that. This is unbelievable what they have
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Speaker 1: so far. So you've got two shots to the left
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Speaker 1: temple she's driving her car. I mean, in my mind,
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Speaker 1: Patricia Carristo, Director Resource Center or Victims of Violent Death MPI,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, how could you get off? I mean
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Speaker 1: even a sharpshooter could a sharp maybe with an automatic
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Speaker 1: whip him get off two shots that quickly while Caitlin's
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Speaker 1: car is moving, one to the left temple and one
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Speaker 1: also on the left side of the head. You're exactly right.
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Speaker 1: And after she was shot twice in the head, her
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Speaker 1: car travels seven hundred and fifty feet and she ends
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Speaker 1: up against the car, ends up against the pull. We
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Speaker 1: tried to reconstruct that several ways and several times, and
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Speaker 1: it just seems unlikely how they've happened. There's contemplation that
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Speaker 1: there was another shot fired when her vehicle was stopped
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Speaker 1: at the pole, and we don't have enough facts to
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Speaker 1: have been known point to compare all the data with
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to take in everything you're saying. Are you
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Speaker 1: saying we don't have enough facts to determine the known
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Speaker 1: point from which the shooter fired? Exactly? Gotcha? Gotcha? Was
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Speaker 1: the window upper down Cheryl McCollum. Or window had been
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Speaker 1: shattered till it was up window up to you, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, The likelihood of surviving a shot to the
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Speaker 1: head through the left temple very low, and as evidenced
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Speaker 1: by the fact that her car kept going and slammed
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Speaker 1: into a pole. I mean I think that she was
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Speaker 1: essentially gone. Well, how could she survive two shots to
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Speaker 1: the head, one through the left temple and still be
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Speaker 1: alive at the hospital, Doctor Gallagher, A very good question.
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Speaker 1: Shots to the head, especially to the sides of the head,
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Speaker 1: are ninety nine point five percent fatal um. They would
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Speaker 1: also depend on the caliber of the bullet. A twenty
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Speaker 1: two caliber bullet is very small and you have a
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Speaker 1: higher chance of surviving that um. So two shots to
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Speaker 1: the hood survivals you could have possibly been declared brain
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Speaker 1: dead at that point? Was that was brain dead technically speak?
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, brain data is a terminology
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Speaker 1: meaning that the brain is not receiving enough blood flow
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Speaker 1: to function, to function the organs of the body to
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Speaker 1: function the arms and legs, and to appear to give
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Speaker 1: life to the to the body. So the brain is
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Speaker 1: not capable of performing its function and so the body
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Speaker 1: can't take any commands. So while your heart is still pumping.
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Speaker 1: Your brain is not telling your body to do anything,
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Speaker 1: so you just lie there. Absolutely your Your heart does
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Speaker 1: not need your brain to tell it to beat. It'll
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Speaker 1: beat on its own. So the body appears to be alive.
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Speaker 1: There is You can breathe via the life support system,
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Speaker 1: the respirator. You can get your nutrition through a feeding tube.
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Speaker 1: You can be there for quite a while, but you
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Speaker 1: will have no conscious ability. You will have no quality
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Speaker 1: of life. Through a cat scan or an MRI. Right,
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Speaker 1: there are tests that you can do. Blood flow tests.
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Speaker 1: You would inject chemicals into the body that would show
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Speaker 1: what the blood flow is to the brain. And then
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Speaker 1: you would also do tests to the body. You would
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Speaker 1: do deep pain tests. For instance, you would you would
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Speaker 1: put a sharp bot to the bottom of their foot
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Speaker 1: and see if they react to that, you know, and
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Speaker 1: if there's no reaction, then, based on all of the
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Speaker 1: evidence you've collected, Chala, then declare that person. People ask
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Speaker 1: me all the time, how do you do what you do?
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Speaker 1: Doesn't it bother you? How do you do what you do?
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Speaker 1: Talking about shooting chemicals into somebody's body and stabbing them
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Speaker 1: in the foot, Well, like Muddy Waters used to say,
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Speaker 1: I love what I do, and I do what I
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Speaker 1: love well. I did not expect Mundy Waters quote this morning,
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Speaker 1: but I'm glad you said that. I'm totally stealing it.
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Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, none of it makes
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Speaker 1: any sense, and that is when police get stymied. They
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Speaker 1: can't seem to figure anything out. The case seemingly goes cold,
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Speaker 1: and then is there a break in the case. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Larry Barker koat TV. Months after the murder,
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Speaker 1: a major break in the case and informant names two suspects.
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Speaker 1: Other witnesses also come forward. Police finally get murder indictments
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Speaker 1: in the case, but that case crumbled when those witnesses
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Speaker 1: later changed their stories. Witnesses, whether out of fear, whether
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Speaker 1: out of some other motivation, just told us that what
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Speaker 1: they had originally told us did not happen. The two
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Speaker 1: suspects are released. The our Quette family now accuses Auclane's
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Speaker 1: leads were not followed, including one alleging the involvement of
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Speaker 1: a Vietnamese gang that was extensively who looked into We
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Speaker 1: were aware of that soon after the homicide occurred. We
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Speaker 1: could find no tie to the homicide, and then to
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Speaker 1: get the msice getting carry our cat. I just awe
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Speaker 1: hearing that they think they've got the killer and then
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Speaker 1: it turns out to all be a lie. How mad
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Speaker 1: anybody even do that? Carrie? Do you remember when you guys, you,
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Speaker 1: your family, your mom, thought it's solved, and then one
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Speaker 1: by one each defendant was let go. It was like
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Speaker 1: being on an emotional roller coaster. Well, this whole thing
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Speaker 1: has been like being on an emotional roller coaster. You
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Speaker 1: get your hopes up and then they're dashed, and then
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Speaker 1: you get your hopes up and they're dashed again. It's
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Speaker 1: just truly exhausting. Carrie. I gotta just tell you. You know,
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Speaker 1: you and I have met in person and discussed this,
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Speaker 1: and just hearing you talk right now it's just giving
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Speaker 1: me chills all over my arms and legs, because just
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Speaker 1: thinking about what a horrible loss to lose, for Low is,
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Speaker 1: to lose your teen daughter, for you to lose your sister,
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Speaker 1: the pain you're thrown into, and then to think the
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Speaker 1: case is solved and there's actually a grand jury indictment,
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Speaker 1: which scares me illegally, and then one by one each
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Speaker 1: suspect is let go and cut loose. Doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: I think I need to shrink right now, Why in
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Speaker 1: the world would tipsters or CI's confidential informants come forward
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Speaker 1: and name the wrong people and go so far as
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Speaker 1: they get a grand jury indictment relying on these witnesses, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This is there's so many wrong aspects to the story.
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Speaker 1: I mean, all I can think of is that these
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Speaker 1: tipsters knew that this was a building story and they
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Speaker 1: got excited. They wanted to be a part of it.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to be a part of the drama, so
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Speaker 1: they gave leads or so the Vietnamese gang, like you
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Speaker 1: want to get automatically, it's like the ad for Cosmopolitan Hotel,
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Speaker 1: just the right amount of wrong, you know, just like
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Speaker 1: they're trying. I don't know what you're saying, Well, what, okay,
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Speaker 1: there's an ad for the Cosmopolitan Hotel in Las Vegas
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Speaker 1: and okay, it's hell not. Mine is sin city for
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Speaker 1: a reason. But you know what White your your dairy
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Speaker 1: you're advancing is that they wanted to be in on
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Speaker 1: a big story. And I've seen that. I've seen that happen.
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Speaker 1: But Cheryl mc if I can add to that about
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Speaker 1: the family really quickly in the face of ambiguity or
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Speaker 1: not knowing what happened, we read our worst possible fears.
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Speaker 1: We human beings need predictability in order to feel safe.
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Speaker 1: So already um Lois's daughter Uh, a beloved sister, has
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Speaker 1: been shot in the side of the head. We don't
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Speaker 1: even know who the killer is. Is this like the
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Speaker 1: DC sniper, like like Lee malvo or you know, one
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Speaker 1: of these types of killers. There's all these theories floating
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Speaker 1: around and it's so unpredictable, and then having all of
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Speaker 1: these false tipsters come in raises the level of unpredictability
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Speaker 1: and of anxiety and disease and uncertainty. So the dramas
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Speaker 1: not just building for the tipsters but the family. It's
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Speaker 1: just probably their minds are going wild at this point
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Speaker 1: and they just need the truth to settle them down
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Speaker 1: and to bring some order back into cham Through Cheryl McCullum, thinking,
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Speaker 1: you solved the case in finding out all this time
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Speaker 1: you had the wrong the wrong purp. But there's no
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Speaker 1: way that this young girl, Kaitlin Arkat has anything to
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Speaker 1: do with the Vietnamese gang. Well, how did it go
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Speaker 1: so wrong? Cheryl our boyfriend who was Vietnamese was caught
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Speaker 1: up in some insurance scams. What do you mean insurance scams. Well,
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Speaker 1: they would rent cards and then they would have brands
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Speaker 1: of another car, and from the rental car that they
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Speaker 1: would insure to the hills, they would run into the
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Speaker 1: other folks in a fake accident, and then everybody would
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Speaker 1: go to the hospital claim soft tissue injuries and get
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Speaker 1: paid for the insurance company. You have no idea how
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Speaker 1: common this is. At when I was in the DA's
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Speaker 1: office as a felony prosecutor, I had a fenderbenner. Somebody
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Speaker 1: ran into me from behind, of course, on my way
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Speaker 1: to a crime scene, and I was fit to be
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Speaker 1: tied because I was trying to get that crime scene
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Speaker 1: that night, Cheryl, I got over market like ten o'clock,
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Speaker 1: the phone rings. Nobody has my number I picked up below.
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Speaker 1: It's a runner. In other words, somebody has an end
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Speaker 1: at the police headquarters. Oh yeah, they get the police report,
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Speaker 1: they see I'm the victim. I'm perfectly fine, and my
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Speaker 1: phone number and call me trying to refer me to
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Speaker 1: a lawyer so I can go get my soft tissue tested. Well,
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Speaker 1: you can imagine what I had to say to that
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Speaker 1: My point is it's not a violent crime, but it's
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Speaker 1: a scam. And so that is how they connect her
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Speaker 1: through some Vietnamese gang because her boyfriend is in an
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Speaker 1: assurance scam. Correct, But there's a connection with California and
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Speaker 1: some other people. So it got very convoluted. So they
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Speaker 1: were they knew know better than to throw out a
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Speaker 1: connection to California and some other people. What what what
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Speaker 1: other people? Well, this became a spider web. I mean
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Speaker 1: there were it was a like a law person that
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Speaker 1: was involved. He wasn't an attorney, he was some kind
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Speaker 1: of paralegal. He would sign off on all this paperwork
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Speaker 1: and they were healthy scam though, oh absolutely saying that
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Speaker 1: she was going to reveal the scam. That was a theory. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, when there's a complicated theory that you
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Speaker 1: have to bend into contortions to make it work very
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Speaker 1: then that's not it. That sounds more out of like
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Speaker 1: a murder mystery novel. So it's also scary how it
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Speaker 1: can go to indictment and go through a grand jury
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Speaker 1: and these people get indicted, but it was based on
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Speaker 1: a false witness pan out and the family sinks in despair.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our nineteen Koat TV, her family
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Speaker 1: asking anyone who knows anything to please come forward. One
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Speaker 1: small detail could go a long way. If this was
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Speaker 1: your sister, if this was your child, wouldn't you want
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Speaker 1: somebody with a soul to have the courage to stand
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Speaker 1: up and do the right thing. The entire family no
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Speaker 1: longer lives in New Mexico. Keith's mother died three years
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Speaker 1: ago hoping to get the justice they deserve. Before she passed,
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Speaker 1: her father is now hoping for the same climb stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. To you Carry Arquette, This is Caitlin's sister,
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Speaker 1: now a criminologist and for those of you that don't
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Speaker 1: know the name Lois Duncan, she is the world famous
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Speaker 1: author of Hotel for Dogs, which turned into a major movie.
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Speaker 1: With all the fame and success, she passed on from
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Speaker 1: this life never getting a resolution in her teen girls death.
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Speaker 1: To Carry Arquette, how did that affect your mom? Not
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Speaker 1: having a resolution? Well, mother was this plucky, little little
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Speaker 1: tiny thing. But she was always just a writer, a dreamy,
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Speaker 1: dreamy woman who spun her stories. And then Kate was
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Speaker 1: murdered and mother turned into a mama there and she
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Speaker 1: was having to go against the grain of her nature,
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Speaker 1: going into the police department and meeting with attorneys and
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Speaker 1: doing interviews, and it just I think it broke her.
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Speaker 1: She the stress of it finally took her down. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy, she said. Mother always said, I
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Speaker 1: will not die before I find justice for Kate. But
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Speaker 1: they say what people make plans and God laughs. So
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Speaker 1: mother died in twenty sixteen, but you know what, I
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Speaker 1: think that she's still around. I have people telling me
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Speaker 1: right now that they've had very odd things happen recently
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Speaker 1: that made them think that mother's skill very much a
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Speaker 1: part of this story. There is a major break in
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Speaker 1: the case. Listen. Fifty three year old Paul Opadacca showed
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Speaker 1: up to the UNM police station last month, claiming he
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Speaker 1: had found God and wanted to confess to crimes he
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Speaker 1: says he committed decades ago. The Arquette case is one
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Speaker 1: of the most infamous cold cases in Albuquerque history because
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Speaker 1: of her mother's high profile books about the murder. In
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, eighteen year old Caitlin Arquette was a
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Speaker 1: recent Highland High grads set to go to UNM. Her
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Speaker 1: life cut short after she was shot in the head
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Speaker 1: in her car on Lomis near Broadway. Her mother, author
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Speaker 1: Lois Duncan, wrote two books on her daughter's murder, was
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Speaker 1: featured on Unsolved Mysteries, and blogged about every detail she learned,
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Speaker 1: including that fifty three year old Paul Opadacca was at
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Speaker 1: this scene of her daughter's murder. However, Opadacca was never
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Speaker 1: even questioned by police. Straight out to Jolene Gutirez Krueger
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Speaker 1: with the Albuquerque Journal, did I just hear it correctly?
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Speaker 1: That was our friend Courtney Allen at k r QE
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Speaker 1: speaking He was at the same but never questioned. Paul
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Speaker 1: Appadacco was at the scene. He was seen by not
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Speaker 1: only the first detective that arrived, but the second one.
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Speaker 1: By the time that the ambulance workers got there, neither
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Speaker 1: the police officers nor Paul Appadaca were there. There was
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Speaker 1: no indication that they ever interviewed him at all. If
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Speaker 1: they had, they would have found a plethora of a
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Speaker 1: criminal activity that might have given them at least a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a questioning as too. Could he have
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Speaker 1: been the guy Charlotte whom I don't understand it. The
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Speaker 1: guys at the scene, How is that corps appear, they
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Speaker 1: don't question him, and then they leave. They leave the
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Speaker 1: scene unattended, and they don't see Caitlyn dead in the
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Speaker 1: car seat. There's no answers for any of that. At
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Speaker 1: any scene. He should have been taken down to headquarters
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Speaker 1: and interviewed exactly what did he see, when did he
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Speaker 1: see it? Where was he standing? What did he hear?
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Speaker 1: That wasn't done. They took his name and he gave
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Speaker 1: a fake phone number. That was it. He was also
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Speaker 1: able to move a car. There was a VW scene
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Speaker 1: at the scene, and when the second detective arrived, that
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Speaker 1: car was no longer there. You know, why is it
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Speaker 1: that people seem to always find God behind bars? He's
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Speaker 1: outside of bars too. Is it a ploy Cheryl? I
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Speaker 1: think it's a ploye Sometimes I think it's a stunt.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes if you have a religious affiliation, you get better food,
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Speaker 1: you get to leave and go to chapel, and you
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Speaker 1: get to do other things, you get to have more visitation.
31:05
Speaker 1: And told you what happened in court right how I
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Speaker 1: was taking it had to play in arrayment calendar and
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Speaker 1: someone one of the defendants saw my cross iwere came in.
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Speaker 1: Then it was further noticed continued a week he came
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Speaker 1: in the next I guess it was Tuesday morning for
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Speaker 1: another plan in arrayment, and he had, in the meantime
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Speaker 1: woven a giant cross out of yarn, I mean this
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Speaker 1: big and was wearing it around his neck. I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: let me be clear. Sometimes it's true. This guy walked in. Okay,
31:39
Speaker 1: I agree, sometimes it's true. I'm happy it's true. But
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Speaker 1: then the next eight guys came in with giant yarn crosses.
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Speaker 1: Onto that's quiet, very grand Cord has been busy again. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about this guy that finds God then comes
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Speaker 1: in and makes a confession. Is it real? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at k r Q E. Albadaca
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Speaker 1: told police he had developed a hatred for women because
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Speaker 1: they always go for the bad guys and he was
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Speaker 1: a nice guy, but they didn't want that. But one
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Speaker 1: thing we haven't known is he had a dislike. And
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Speaker 1: there was a dislike for women, and that will be
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Speaker 1: coming up in as one of the motivating factors. And
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Speaker 1: you really can you really truly know exactly why somebody
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Speaker 1: does something so horrible a dislike from women to you,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. He sounds like one of the original
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Speaker 1: in cells Involuntary Selimus said, Hey, women, that's absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Not only do they hate women, but they want to
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Speaker 1: have power over them. They want to dominate them and
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Speaker 1: then potentially kill them. I mean, they cannot stand to
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Speaker 1: see women being beautiful out in the world, living their life,
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Speaker 1: Yan about to go to college. They just want to
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Speaker 1: snuff the life out of them. Nancy to carry Arquette
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Speaker 1: joining us. This is Caitlin's sister. When you heard about
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Speaker 1: his confession and the fact that he had been on
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Speaker 1: the scene and was never questioned, what went through your mind?
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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened? I thought this is insanity, But
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Speaker 1: really it made me furious. It made me absolutely utterly furious,
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Speaker 1: and so I really struggled with the idea that he
33:36
Speaker 1: had finally come forward. I had prayed for that for
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Speaker 1: a very long time. But the fact that he had
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Speaker 1: waited this long and he had gone on to hurt
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Speaker 1: other people, and if the cops had done their job
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Speaker 1: at the time that Kate was murdered and gotten him
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Speaker 1: off the street, the lives of other women would not
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Speaker 1: have and so profoundly and negatively affected Carry Arquette true
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Speaker 1: awards were never spoken. Listen to our francy at k RQA.
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Speaker 1: Police say Opadacca was arrested last month for violating his probation.
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Speaker 1: They say he told them that he was responsible for
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Speaker 1: several murders and rapes in the eighties and nineties, including
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Speaker 1: Oakley's murder. He told police he was working as a
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Speaker 1: security aide at TVI, which is now CNM, and saw
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Speaker 1: her walking away from a fraternity party. He said he
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Speaker 1: was planning to rape her, but stabbed her instead. Oakley
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Speaker 1: stumbled to the neighbor's house and told them she had
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Speaker 1: been stabbed. She was taking to the hospital where she died.
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Speaker 1: APD says Oppadacca also confessed to killing eighteen year old
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Arquette a year later, as she was driving on
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Speaker 1: lo Miss. The murder became a high profile because Arquette
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Speaker 1: was the daughter of author Lois Duncan. Just think about this.
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Speaker 1: Paul Opadacca, the first person at the crime, saying driving
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Speaker 1: a VW bug, the same kind of car witnesses saw
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Speaker 1: fleeing after the shooting. Never questioned. Thirty two years later,
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Speaker 1: he confesses to carry Arquette. What is your family's response,
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Speaker 1: It's a very good question because you're addressing it to
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Speaker 1: the family. And one of the things that happened after
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Speaker 1: Kate's murder was that the family it dissolved in many ways.
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Speaker 1: Paul Appadaka murdered my sister, but he also killed my family.
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Speaker 1: Everybody kind of disbanded, moved to different areas and dealt
35:49
Speaker 1: with their grief in very, very different ways. And we
35:53
Speaker 1: tried once or twice to do Christmas the way we
35:57
Speaker 1: had always done it. It was a big holiday for
35:59
Speaker 1: the family, but it felt like we were all acting
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Speaker 1: roles because Kate's placed in front of the Christmas tree
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Speaker 1: was empty. So when you talk about how is the
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Speaker 1: family feeling, each person is such an individual that I
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Speaker 1: think that they would have to answer that themselves. I
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Speaker 1: think that we're almost too afraid to invest in a
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Speaker 1: belief that this could be the conclusion of this horrible saga.
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Speaker 1: That much I could say about the family. I pray
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Speaker 1: this case will finally end for Caitlin's family. We wait
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Speaker 1: as just a sentols Nancy Grace Grom's story signing off
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Speaker 1: Goodbye Friend.