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1/27/26: Trump Retreats In MN, Judge Showdown Over ICE, Trump Forgets Word Alzheimer's · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: Indeed, we do Trump a retreating somewhat at least in Minneapolis.
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  Speaker 2: Big developments there that we will break down for you.
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  Speaker 1: will get there. But yes, Chrystal, why don't we go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and jump into this huge developments in Minneapolis. Trump
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  Speaker 1: backing down, sidelining potentially mister Bevino.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so, Greg Bavino has been the aggressive face of
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  Speaker 2: the Minneapolis occupation in particular Chicago as well as the
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  Speaker 2: what do they call him, Commander at large of the
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  Speaker 2: Marder Patrol. Let's go and put this up on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: This news broke yesterday. The Vino is being removed from
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  Speaker 2: that position now, they are not firing him entirely. He's
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  Speaker 2: going back to his old post in California. But Tom Homan,
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  Speaker 2: who is the quote unquote borderzar, is being brought in
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  Speaker 2: as well. No, Tom Homan is not exactly like a
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  Speaker 2: shrinking Violet and Hut exactly a dove on these matters.
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  Speaker 2: But interestingly, within the administration there's been a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a turf battle, which we've talked about before soccer between CBP,
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  Speaker 2: Customs and Border Patrol and ICE. Contrary to the mean
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  Speaker 2: public perception, CBP is actually more insane than ICES, and
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  Speaker 2: they were the ones who were in favor of and
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  Speaker 2: Bavino in particular, these incredibly showy, aggressive, made for TV moments. So,
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  Speaker 2: for example, that raid on the Chicago apartment, including the
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  Speaker 2: helicopters repelling in just complete insanity, that was CBP. Reportedly
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  Speaker 2: it's a CBP agent or multiple agents who were the
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  Speaker 2: ones who killed Alex. Pretty so in any case, Baveno
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  Speaker 2: being removed, Tom Homan coming in, Christy Noan, and Corey Lewandowski.
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  Speaker 2: According to this reporting, also their jobs are at least
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  Speaker 2: somewhat shaky, their position somewhat in doubt, as Trump clearly
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  Speaker 2: tries to, you know, tries to clean up what has
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  Speaker 2: become a massive political crisis for him.
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  Speaker 1: What is so striking to me about this is how
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  Speaker 1: like how completely discordant Trump is from many of his
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  Speaker 1: defenders including in his administration. So, for example, Mack, why
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  Speaker 1: don't we go and put the next one up on
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  Speaker 1: the screen, Trump describing his phone call with Governor Tim
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  Speaker 1: Walls of Minnesota. I mean, in this one, you can
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  Speaker 1: just see so clearly that Trump is trying to strike
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  Speaker 1: a very very different tone. He says, Governor Tim Wallas
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  Speaker 1: called me with request to work together with respect to
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  Speaker 1: Tom Minnesota. It was a very good call. We actually
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be a similar wavelength, and you know, talking
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  Speaker 1: about he says. The governor very respectfully understood that, and
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  Speaker 1: I will be speaking to him in the near future.
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  Speaker 1: He was happy with Tom home and going to Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: and so am I also, though you see in Tim
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  Speaker 1: Walls's statement something a bit similar. Governor Walls had a
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  Speaker 1: productive call with President Trump today. The governor made the
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  Speaker 1: case we need impartial investigations of the Minneapolis shooting, that
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  Speaker 1: we need to reduce a number of federal agents. The
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  Speaker 1: President agreed he would talk to Department of Homeland Security
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  Speaker 1: about ensuring Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is able to
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  Speaker 1: conduct an independent investigation, as would ordinarily be in the case.
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  Speaker 1: The President also agreed to look into the reducing the
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  Speaker 1: number of federal agents in Minnesota and working with the
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  Speaker 1: state in a more coordinated fashion on immigration enforcement regarding
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  Speaker 1: violent criminals. So you can see very clearly in that
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  Speaker 1: and the next one, Mac if we can, Trump's announcement
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  Speaker 1: of Tom Homan. This was I actually think the most
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  Speaker 1: significant one because as you said, there's been a big
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  Speaker 1: turf war inside of the administration between Kirsty Nome, Kirsty Nome,
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  Speaker 1: Corey Lewandowski, and Tom Homan. So, as you said, Tom
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  Speaker 1: Holman is not some shrinking violet, but fundamentally and Ryan
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  Speaker 1: even talked about this yesterday when he noted Tom Holman's
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  Speaker 1: response to the Renee Good shooting. He didn't immediately come
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  Speaker 1: out and say anything. He's like, look, we need to
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  Speaker 1: wait for a process. It's because at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, he's a cop. Like this is somebody who
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  Speaker 1: worked under the Obama administration for example, and yes, he
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  Speaker 1: definitely has like strongly held political views, but is also
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  Speaker 1: somebody who at least reportedly has wanted to take a
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  Speaker 1: very different tactic whenever it comes to deportation and specifically
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  Speaker 1: trying to focus on criminals and people with violent history
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  Speaker 1: existing detainers, which he has been arguing with Lewandowski and
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  Speaker 1: Kirsty Nome is not only more efficient, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: does not invite the same public backlash. So at the
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  Speaker 1: very least, you can say that this is a massive
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  Speaker 1: change of tactic because not only does Bavino lose his
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  Speaker 1: job he's going back to San Diego reportedly, but many
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  Speaker 1: of the agents who are with him have been ordered
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  Speaker 1: out of the state of Minnesota. They even locked Bavino
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  Speaker 1: out of his own Twitter account. He's obviously been leaking, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's right in his industries, but you know, Bavino is
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  Speaker 1: leaking to these like right wing journalists, people like Nick
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  Speaker 1: Sorder and others, and he's clearly out of control. And
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  Speaker 1: he not only that though, he completely lost any credibility
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  Speaker 1: he had in the immediate aftermath with that press conference
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about yesterday, and he's straight up lied.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about brandishing and then adopted this new like
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  Speaker 1: liberal gun control language about oh, semi ody, what did
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  Speaker 1: he say he wanted a massacre law enforcement or you know,
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  Speaker 1: very clear it's just bullshit. And so look, Trump, he
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  Speaker 1: has many things. He understands television at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: and so watching this, you know, everyone from Fox News
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  Speaker 1: to MSNBC. You know, there's I can't find a single
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  Speaker 1: national personality on cable television where Trump is liable to
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  Speaker 1: be watching that is in any way supportive of the
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  Speaker 1: way that Bavino and Kirsinome have handled this entire situation.
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  Speaker 2: Fox News just mostly avoided talking about it and instead
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  Speaker 2: went straight to like the rioters. But you know, there
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  Speaker 2: was seemed significant right wing descent this time, different than
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  Speaker 2: after a Renee Good was killed, where there was a
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  Speaker 2: real circling of the wagons. And so you know, in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the rhetoric, the pr push after Alex Purty
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  Speaker 2: was shot, you had Bavino, you had Christinome, and you
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  Speaker 2: had Stephen Miller, and you had by the way, Jade Vance,
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  Speaker 2: who were all sounding the same notes, this is a
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  Speaker 2: domestic terror, terror terrorist. This was in it would be
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  Speaker 2: assassin and he was planning a massacre. They went as
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  Speaker 2: hard in the paint on this one as they did
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  Speaker 2: with Renee Good because they thought, and understandably so, that
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  Speaker 2: that is what Trump would want to see and that
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  Speaker 2: that is what he would reward. But even if you
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  Speaker 2: go back to the Renee Good killing, look, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: just to be clear, This is not to absolve Trump
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  Speaker 2: of anything. This is his administration. Just like a little
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  Speaker 2: bit over a week ago, he was tweeting how there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be retribution paid to Minneapolis, et cetera. But
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  Speaker 2: even with Renee Good killing, Trump went hard on the
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  Speaker 2: paint at first, and then the New York Times actually
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  Speaker 2: showed him the video and he had clearly not seen
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  Speaker 2: it yet, and he moderated his rhetorical stance. So here
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  Speaker 2: you have all of these crazy lackeys who go same,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just as hard in the paint. He's a
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  Speaker 2: domestic terrorist, he was asking for it. He's a would
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  Speaker 2: be assassin, he was planning maximum damage. He was planning
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  Speaker 2: a massacre. Trump sees the video and critically, I think,
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  Speaker 2: sees the backlash from some Republicans because he doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: care what liberals think from some Republicans who were saying,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about this. One realizes this has gotten
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  Speaker 2: out of control and starts to try to at least
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  Speaker 2: throw someone under the bus and make it look like
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  Speaker 2: he is tactically adjusting. Now we will see whether there's
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  Speaker 2: real tactical adjustment on the ground or whether it is
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  Speaker 2: just lip service and pr But one other thing that
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  Speaker 2: you and I both noted from some of the reporting,
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  Speaker 2: there was apparently, I think New York Times had this,
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  Speaker 2: There was apparently a big meeting with Christin Noam Corey
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  Speaker 2: Lewandowski that Noah asked for Susie Wilds. Was there, other
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  Speaker 2: top aids were there? You know? Who was not there
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  Speaker 2: was Stephen Miller. And this is as much his baby
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  Speaker 2: as anything else. So the fact that he was ice
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  Speaker 2: down of that conversation, I guess, no pun intended, I
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  Speaker 2: think is also pretty significant. Stephen Miller is a deeply
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  Speaker 2: ideological figure. He truly, I think, sees himself waging this
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  Speaker 2: sort of ethno nationalist war. Now Trump is happy to
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  Speaker 2: do that as it serves him politically, but he is
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  Speaker 2: not as ideologically a zealot as Steven Miller is on this,
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  Speaker 2: and he has even you know, teased Steven Miller about
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  Speaker 2: how obsessed he is with like the ethnic characteristics of
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  Speaker 2: the country, etc. So that was noteworthy to me as
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  Speaker 2: well that perhaps Steven Miller is becoming somewhat isolated. Now
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  Speaker 2: do I think that he's going to be on the ounce?
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  Speaker 2: Do I think he's going to leave lose his No,
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  Speaker 2: because he's been such a loyal soldier for Trump because
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: he's involved in so many facets of this administration that
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: they actually call him the Prime Minister, including he's deeply
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: involved in a bunch of these foreign policy decisions which
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  Speaker 2: also have been terrible. So I don't think he's going
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  Speaker 2: to lose his job, but perhaps he's lost a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of standing with regard to Trump since he has
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  Speaker 2: been the one like aggressively pushing this direction Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Remember, loyalty for him only works one way, and so
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  Speaker 1: he may not sideline you, but if he starts to
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  Speaker 1: create problems for him, you're done. And he also, Trump
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  Speaker 1: is non ideological in many ways in that he will
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  Speaker 1: literally contradict himself on it, like immediately if he wants to.
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  Speaker 1: So for example, I mean last week he was talking
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  Speaker 1: about how Tim Watson Jacob Fray are criminals. Look a three.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put this one up here on the screen. He says,
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  Speaker 1: I just had a very good telephone conversation with Mayor
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  Speaker 1: Jacob Fray of Minneapolis. Lots of progress is being made.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Homan will be meeting with him tomorrow to continue
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  Speaker 1: the discussion. Thank you for your attention to this matter,
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  Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump. I mean it is just completely
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  Speaker 1: different than we had seen. But then finally Crystal, what
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  Speaker 1: was really the most remarkable to me, and this is
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: the ultimate like shiving, is Caroline Levitt and the way
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  Speaker 1: that she handled the Baveno question by basically saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: he's a great guy, but mister Holman's going to be
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  Speaker 1: running a point. I think if we could queue that
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  Speaker 1: sought up just so people can watch, like this is
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  Speaker 1: what it really looks like in Washington terms to be
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  Speaker 1: not only sidelined, but to be politely like stabbed in
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  Speaker 1: the front in many y.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, herelistic a lissm.
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  Speaker 1: Going to Minnesota is Gregory Bovino also going to remain
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota for seeing these ice operation.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Bovino is a wonderful man and he's a great professional.
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  Speaker 3: He is going to have very much continue to lead
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  Speaker 3: customs and border patrol throughout and across the country. Mister
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  Speaker 3: Homan will be the main point of contact on then
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  Speaker 3: in Minneapolis.
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  Speaker 2: And that was before we got the official news that
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  Speaker 2: he had actually been demoted. Now Tricia McLaughlin came out
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  Speaker 2: and posted something that was kind of confusing, saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: he's not being demoted, etc. But I mean, the bottom
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  Speaker 2: line is he's being pulled from Minneapolis and Homan is
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  Speaker 2: being sent in, So that kind of tell you everything
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  Speaker 2: you need to know. And then there was there's one
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  Speaker 2: more I think moment from Caroline Lovett that's worth playing
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  Speaker 2: here where she gets asked about Noam's rhetoric that this
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  Speaker 2: act was an act of domestic terrorism from Alex Pretty,
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  Speaker 2: and she says, well, I haven't heard the President characterize
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  Speaker 2: him that way, so refusing to sort of back up
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  Speaker 2: that rhetoric, which was also very noteworthy. And again this
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  Speaker 2: was all before we got all of the news about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, about Bovino being demoted, et cetera. Let's take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to that.
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  Speaker 1: The Secretary of NOME said Alex Pretty committed an act
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  Speaker 1: of domestic terrorism.
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  Speaker 4: Stephen Miller label at Pretty a domestic terrorist.
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  Speaker 1: Does the President agree with them?
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  Speaker 3: Look, as I've said, I have not heard the President
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  Speaker 3: characterize mister Pretty in that way. However, I have heard
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  Speaker 3: the President say he wants to let the facts and
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  Speaker 3: the investigation lead itself.
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  Speaker 1: Was the alarm stint heers taling sichel is referring to
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  Speaker 1: him in that way, rushing to that Judge n thanks
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  Speaker 1: cal Stephen.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go. Refuse to back up that characterization
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  Speaker 2: of Alex pretty very different approach than Noam and Lewandowski.
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  Speaker 2: And you know Noam and Lewandowski, by the way, who
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: are heavily rumored to you know, have an affair and
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  Speaker 2: the yeah, a llegedlist heavily ordered can Yeah, we can't
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  Speaker 2: personally confirm, but reporters have confirmed it. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: has been reported out. In any case, they're in league together.
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  Speaker 2: And even outside of this completely insane, extremely dangerous approach
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  Speaker 2: which has been utterly rejected by the American people across
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  Speaker 2: the board, they've also operated in a deeply corrupt manner.
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  Speaker 2: Now that is nothing unusual in this administration. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: Tom Holman, what was his whole scanily took like a
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  Speaker 2: bag of cash to promise some contracts to some company whatever.
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  Speaker 2: They're all deeply corrupt, but there has been an incredible
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: amount of self dealing there as well. Not to mention,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: you know, no one loves being in front of the camera,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: and that works for Trump until it doesn't. So I
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm a bit skeptical of the reporting that
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  Speaker 2: they may actually lose their jobs. Curious what you think
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  Speaker 2: about that sager. But certainly the fact that they had
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  Speaker 2: this long meaning that they are now being in effect
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  Speaker 2: overruled and Tom Hoeman put in instead, certainly reflects a
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  Speaker 2: changing of power positions within the administration.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they'll lose their jobs. What I've
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  Speaker 1: been told is that one of the things Trumps hated
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  Speaker 1: the most, but his first term was all the cycling
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: through various cabin officials, and he said he costs too
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: much chaos, and so he's extremely Really remember even the
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Mike Waltz situation, Mike Waltz literally an idiot and still
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  Speaker 1: was able to hang on his job for two months.
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  Speaker 1: And even then it's not like he was fired. He
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  Speaker 1: was just, you know, semi demoted to un ambassador. Kind
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  Speaker 1: of the way that this went with Greg Bovino. I
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  Speaker 1: do not think that she will lose her job, but
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  Speaker 1: that's not the same thing as losing power in the administration,
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  Speaker 1: and that's basically what has happened here.
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  Speaker 2: So she did turn into Tulsi Gabbard where it's like
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  Speaker 2: you've still got your job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he teughtically have a job, but you know, you
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  Speaker 1: don't do anything anymore. And by the way, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to your point. One of the things that apparently Homan,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: you know, got some heat over is he was like, hey, kirssym,
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  Speaker 1: why are you spending a quarter billion dollars on the
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  Speaker 1: ad campaign for DHS which heavily features yourself. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you have seen that as well.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was around on horses and I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I was watching Fox News at some point and
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  Speaker 1: I saw this for work, not for pleasure, and I
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  Speaker 1: see this thing come up of DHS where it was
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  Speaker 1: Kissy Nome encouraging self deportation, and I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure this is just an ad for yourself, because
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: what illegal immigrant is watching Fox News, you know, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: exactly is intended to And I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, but those contracts, yes, in those contracts, not
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  Speaker 2: only are they very self serving in terms of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she gets to play drops up and ride around on
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  Speaker 2: a horse, which is something she loves to do, they
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: also went to a connected entity. Most of that money
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to connected consulting firm. And that's where the corruption, one
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: of the corruption scandals comes in as well. You know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: someone floated this too. And listen, Trump is so obsessed
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: with optics. It's really the only thing that he like
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: fully cares about and understands Greg Mvno like out there
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: cosplaying like some SS warrior, you know, with his stupid
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: coat and marching around little short guy and then he's
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: got his glasses that make him look like a you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: middle aged lesbian and gets up there in the press conference.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, Trump cares about this shit and
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: so like I you know, it wouldn't surprise me if
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: he just didn't like the look of this guy, didn't
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: like his vibe and the way he handled the press
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and the way he presented you know. I mean, that's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: not just something that Trump would really care about, whether
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that's you know, however you feel about that.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, is not just his look. He's
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: an idiot, Like he's not even idiot. Is he's a liar.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: And it's like not only a liar, but you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: took things to such an insane degree immediately afterwards that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you're like, whoa like this The credibility of this is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: shot beyond shot, especially whenever it comes to the Alex
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Predie shooting. And that's what I think that he just
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: cannot stomach, is you know, for Trump. You know, I'm
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: not even really sure he doesn't care about the liberals,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: so because it's not just that he doesn't look, he
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't politically care, but there's a difference in the rhetoric
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and in the way that you talk, and fundamentally, I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: do think like this one, there's no defense zero. They
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: killed this guy after they took his gun away, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: then they lied about it, and now their only defense
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: is that they're like, oh, well, you know, you shouldn't
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: have a gun on your person. Trump is not a moron, like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: at the very least he can understand. You know. Look,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the NRA or the GOA, the gun owners
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of America, all those other people, he's gonna be aware
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of that because they're also all over to you, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: they should be. There're the people out there like, hey, oh,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: hold on a second, we're not talking about high capacity
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: magazines from a Republican administration or the idea that just
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: having a gun on your person makes you a domestic terrorist,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you know, criminal threat. They're like, this is so completely
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: insane the way that Greg Bevino handled it that you know, look,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: in a normal time, like this guy doesn't just lose
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: his job, Like there's a whole other set of things
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that are going to come with that. But I just
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: think that for him, like when he's when Trump and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: all of them has watching this on cable TV. So yes,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Fox News immediately don't forget Like Trey Goudie, Maria Bartriomo,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: if you watched her show on Sunday, she was very critical.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: A lot of these people actually have been. So I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: think that that was a big, a big step. Now, look,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, saying things may change all that much.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: You never know with this administration, you generally, I mean that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Is the thing is I think Bavino is completely psychotic,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: and the psychological profile of this man would be something
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to consider. But and noahm and Lewandowski, Stephen Miller, like,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: these are revolting characters. There's no doubt about it. But
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's also true that Trump is looking for
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: a scapegoat here, because then this will be a good
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: transition to our guest, Kyle Chaining is the legal analyst
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: for Politico. If you look at the entire immigration operation
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: it is all about. It is a systematic flouting of
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the law. You know, we talked about the warrants them
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: just being like, yeah, we don't need warrants to bust
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: into your home. It's not a one off, right. There
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: has been a systematic approach that has been led by
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the Stephen Millers and Christy Nomes and Corey Lewandowskis and
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Greg Bavino's of the world, completely signed off and sanctioned
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: by Donald Trump to the extent that he's you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: with it. In order to pay attention to any of this,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: and so I think it's just important to keep things
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: in perspective that clearly this is a retreat with regard
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to Minneapolis and with this particular situation on the ground.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Does this does this indicate a broader shift overall in
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: their immigration approach. I am skeptical of that, and we
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: will definitely have to wait and see.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I last word on this. I think it could be possible.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: The reason why is, you know what they're all telling Trump.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Of course it's not your fault, sir, but this is
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a distraction from all of your other all of you accomplishment.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: It's like or any of the and yeah, they're like,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: oh well, we just got to go back to stealing
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Venezuela and oil and bombing Iran. This is this is
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: literally what Lindsay Graham told him on the phone, not
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: joking as of forty eight hours ago. But what that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: at the very least means is that I think that
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: there is a vibe in the administration, not just a
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: policy vibe of like we should push the max. And
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: what Trump is kind of saying is like, no, you're
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: going to getting me in trouble right now. And when
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: that happens, you are going to immediately become the scapegoat
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and you're going to be fired. So I could see
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: it having that type of effect in the government. Again,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it is way way too early to say, and it's
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: not like you can just a race what the whole
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: last year has looked like. And so that's a good
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: transition to our guest, Kyle Chaney. Joining us now is
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Kyle Cheney. He is the senior legal affairs reporter for Politico.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Good to see Kyle. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Good to be with you both, Kyle.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So, a lot of legal developments happening now with respect
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to Minneapolis and Minnesota. Let's go and put this first
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: tear sheet up here on the screen. Trump and Bondie
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: statements fuel the legal case against a Minnesota surge. At
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: hearing Monday, a judge focused on the letter of the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Attorney General, said, can you give us an update here
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: on the legal arguments in the case, as there's a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: new effort by Minnesota Minnesota authorities to stop the ICE
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: operations in their state.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the most significant and maybe the most
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: extreme legal effort we're seeing, which is to basically by
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: the state government to say we want to end Operation
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: Metro Surge altogether. That's just you know, you can't not
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: entirely kick ICE out of the state, but kick this
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: stepped up operation out. And what that means and how
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: that works in a legal and constitutional sense is really
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: complicated in kind of New territory. And but what you
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: saw there, what you flagged, is that the judge who
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: is considering this was kind of alarmed that, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: you have this letter from Pam Bondi that says, you
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: want ICE, you want the surge to end, do these
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: three things that she lays out three policy demands, including
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: the things like, you know, giving us your snap data,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: giving us your voter role information, things that have nothing
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: to do with the immigration problem that that the administration
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: is purporting to resolve here and so the judges thing,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: you're kind of making it explicit that this surge maybe
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: about coercing policy, which that's a lot a red line
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: you can't cross.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: And so that's where the legal, you know, the legal
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: fight is.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: And I think the real issue is if the judge
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: decides that it is illegal, what can she actually do
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: about it? As a single district judge say oh, the
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: administration can't you know, enforce immigration law. Well, that's that's
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: kind of an easier thing to say out loud that
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: to actually do in practice.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: And what's the line. So that's it's very complicated.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And so from your reporting, it seems like the two
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: things that really gave the state something to work with
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: here was that letter from Pambondi and also Trump posting that,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you know, retribution was coming to Minnesota or to Minneapolis,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and so that gave them more of a case to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: work with. And you also mentioned that this kind of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: harkens back to some of the Obamacare rulings where a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: part of it, the medicaid expansion piece, the mandatory medicaid
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: expansion piece, was struck down under the same theory that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you're basically compelling states, you're using threats of pulling funding
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and compelling states to push forward policy. So could you
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: lay that a little bit that connection there, and you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: know how strong you think the state's case is at
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I started at Politico fourteen years ago to cover
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: that exact case and moment.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it you know, that's that's.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Sort of the centerpiece here is that the Supreme Court
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: rule very clearly that the federal government cannot use the
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: sort of cudgel of funding, pulling funding to force states
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: to adopt policies that those states don't want to adopt.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: And so now the federal government does have a role
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: when sort of you know, incentivizing things that it prefers,
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: policies it prefers, but it can't you know, if the
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: Supreme Court says you can't use funding as a cudgel,
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: what the state is saying is you definitely can't use
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: like a militarized force of federal agents and you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: wreaking havoc on the streets to cause the same result.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: That's that's worse. That's much further over the line than
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: a funding threat in the state's view. And so you know, again,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: if the judge decides, yeah, I agree with you. Then
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: the question is how do you what's the remedy? And
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: that's a bigger problem. But I think that's where you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: the judge is at least deciding now does she agree
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: with the state's view on that?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Got it? Can we put the next one? I just
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: say you at Mac on the screen. Kyle, you were
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: reporting this morning that the judge, the chief federal job
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, has ordered the head of ICE to appeal
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: personally in court Friday and threatened him with contempt and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: for the agency's repeated violation of court orders. The courtse patience?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Is it at an end?
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Kyle?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Can you just break that down for us?
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is sort of a big moment. You know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Judge Scheltz, he's the he's the chief judge, George W.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Bush appointed judge and has already had this clash with
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: the administration over this attempt to arrest Don Lemon and
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: the church protesters and uh, you know, so he's clearly
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: at a boiling point with the administration already over the
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: over this. But what he's saying is we've our courts
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: have been inundate, We've been flooded with these immigration cases,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: emergency petitions people who've been arrested by ICE during this surge,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: and we're finding over and over again that their arrests
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: and detentions have been illegal, using a sort of new
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: interpretation of the law the administration has adopted in recent months.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: And and what he's saying here is we keep ordering
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: you to release people and.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: You're not doing it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: We're getting emergency secondary petition saying you haven't released this
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: person or you shipped them to Texas despite our orders
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: saying keep them here in Minnesota, and we're we've we've
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: reached That's that's sort of the the tipping point now
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: is it's happened so many times, and our courts are
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: flooded with these cases right now.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: And so he's.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: Ordering, you know, Todd Lines, head of ICE, to come
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: in directly personally in court and saying, if you you
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: know you answer, can't answer questions to my satisfaction, I
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: might hold you in contempt. And that's sort of the
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I guess the most confrontational we've seen.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: You know, they're I guess, really anywhere.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: These petitions are flooding, the flooding the courts all over
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: the country, but they're particularly acute in Minnesota.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: But now because of the surge, I.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Mean, what does that mean to like, what does it
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: precisely mean if they did hold him in contemp because
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: we've also seen, you know, during the kelmar Brego Garcia situated,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: during the Seacott situation, there was the possibility of the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: various government officials being held in contempt. We had in Chicago,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Greg Bavino specifically was called out for any number of lies.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is incredibly systematic. So do you think
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it even if this guy is held into in contempt,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: do you think that would make a difference to them?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Do you think that would change their behavior? Is it
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: any sort of severe penalty.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: It's a great question.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, the judge can sort of decide penalty, you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: and then that can include they. You know, again, I
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: don't think I don't think that happens on the spot.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: And I think you're to your point. You know, there's
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: a lot of frustration out there that that you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: judges are keep saying our orders are being violated, we
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: need to have accountability here, and that accountability takes forever
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: and it and then it usually fizzled in some way,
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: or you know, in the case of the Alien Enemies
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Act that you mentioned, the Seacott situation, the appeals Court
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: stops Judge Bozberg from continuing his contempt proceedings, and you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: for months, and then when they allowed him to continue it,
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: he started again, he started down the path again, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: they stopped him again. And so it does feel like
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: there is it's it's a sort of imperfect and clunky
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: method because it never it almost never gets used against
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: federal government officials.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: That it's sort of there as a as a last
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: resort for the courts.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: But you know, we've never seen administration taken take things
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: so far that that it the courts are actually saying,
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: we need to actually utilize this rarely used tool, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: now they're seeing all the sort of rust or the
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: challenges with actually making that happen. But they can make
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: things very uncomfortable, at least for the administration by hauling
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: people in again.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: The threat is a pretty big deal on its own.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: And yeah, if the judge is motivated, he can say
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: and then unless some higher court stops him, he can say,
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: you know, yeah we can you know whether it again.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: The punishment is tricky. You can't can you throw someone
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: in jail? Can you find them as a new government official.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: It's you know, they have to cross that bridge when
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: gets there, right.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, and that systematic nature of what you're talking about
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: is something that you have been tracking. Is what I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: just had up on the screen. You said you've tracked
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: at least twenty three hundred cases in which federal judges
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: have ruled ICE has illegally detained people without bond or
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: due process, and then you flag one there specifically, I mean,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: take us through the details of when you say there,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: you know these individuals have been detained without bond or
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: due process, that this has been done illegally. Just walk
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: us through what that means and what this looks like
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: for these individuals.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: So it's really comm and it's something that but it
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: traces back to a very specific moment, which is that
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: in July, Director Allions we just talked about, adopted a
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: new interpretation of old immigration laws to things that date
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: back to the mid nineties, in which case, you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: it used to be that when the federal government would
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: encounter someone at the border, they could quickly put them
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: into deportation proceedings and hold them in detention and essentially
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: lock them up while those proceedings were pending. What the
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Trump administration has done is reinterpret that to say anyone
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: we encounter anywhere in the country, essentially, even people who
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: have been here for decades, we actually not only can
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: we lock them up, we must lock them up under
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: our new interpretation of the laws mandatory, and they don't
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: get a chance for bond at all.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: And the courts across the country writ large have reacted sort.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: Of with horror at this because they're, you know, they're
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: starting to get all these people filing emergency petitions saying
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: I've been I've lived here for thirty years, no criminal record,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: a job, a community, my kids are citizens, I've done
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: nothing wrong, and i'd I went in to my ice
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: check in that I do, you know, a few times
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: a year, and they arrested me. And judges are saying
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: that's and they and they're not only are they arresting me,
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: they're saying, I can't even ask for bond. I can't
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: even go to court and show show an immigration judge.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: I'm not a danger to the community.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: A flight risk, which is normally what the opportunity you have.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: They're just saying I'm held indefinitely and so the judges.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: So the twenty three hundred number you mentioned is how
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: many cases I've been tracking, you know, all over the
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Country's that's cases where there have been rulings agreeing that
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: the detention was illegal, these people should either be released
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: immediately or get a bond hearing at a minimum, And
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: there's thousands more that are pending. And again, Minnesota has
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: becomes sort of the hotbed of these. We're seeing dozens
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: filed every day of these cases and rulings again finding
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: them illegal, these detentions. But it is really a national story.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Kyle, I do want to ask about this chances of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that lawsuit on Minnesota that we began with and then
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: also we began our show kind of talking about Trump
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: backing off, you know, at least in Minnesota rhetorically at
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: a legal level. What are the things you look for
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to back that up to see a change in posture
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: under Donald Trump, Like what should we all keep an
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: eye on.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Well, what was.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Interesting was Trump seemed to start backing off in the
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: middle of that hearing. So we're hearing the government that argue,
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: you know, the state officials are being you know, recalcitrant,
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: they're not helping us on immigration policy. And in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: middle of that hearing you have Trump saying, well, I
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: just talked to Governor Walls. We're on the same page.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Now everything's getting better, how Home.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Is going out. And so that didn't come up in court.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: I was curious if someone was going to go read
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: it out loud for the judge, right, But I suspect that,
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: you know, if that's true, and if the if Operation
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Metro Surge sort of recedes, you know, you know, now
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: if they start pulling back, it may moot all of
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: these legal cases. You know, and in some cases, in
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: some senses, what everybody wants is, rather than get a
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: ruling that might create bad law for one side or
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: the other, let's pull back from the brink and end
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: this in a way that doesn't force in court.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: So it depends on.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: The judge would be paying attention to those developments as
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: well and considering that as she deliberates here.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: So she's not supposed to consider things that happen outside
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: of the record in court, So someone will have to
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: bring it to her and say, hey, this changes things.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, she's but judges are people and they see
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: these things in the news that she might ask them say, hey,
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: does this Does this change my equation for me? She
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: does seem a little hesitant about weighing into this new
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: terrain of did she chose for.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: More information or something from the government.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: She wanted to know how many agents were on the ground,
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: and they told her about three thousand and she is
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: but she's very reluctant to say, I, the district judge
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: can tell the federal government how to enforce immigration law.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: What's too much? How many agents is too many?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Should I be the person telling them that? I don't know?
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: So she seems so.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: I think if there's a way for her to say,
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: well it's over, it's moot, I think that might be
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: her preferred outcome.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: But it depends on how true the rhetoric really is.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that that seems to make sense. And then importantly,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, you were talking there what one of the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: things that we have seen in previous cases is judges
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: order let's say, ice or any of that on specific tactics.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I saw that the administration had just won a case
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: regarding tactics and protesters. I'm still very a bit unclear
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: on how that works. So wondering if you could explain that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: So the same judge Cape Capeman end as the one
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: who is considering the entire the big pieces. She also
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: ruled that certain ice tactics that it had used against demonstrators,
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: you know, retaliatory tactics. Essentially, she barred them from doing that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: So it's how they deploy chemical munitions, how they can
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: draw their service weapons, how they can when they can
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: arrest motorists who aren't breaking any laws but maybe trailing
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: ice vehicles. And so her ruling on that was held
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: was previously held up by the Eighth Circuit Court of
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Appeals when the administration went went went above her.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: But then they ruled a second was it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: They issued a second ruling yesterday that just said, you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: we're gonna stick by that. We're not gonna after the
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: shooting of Alex pretty that they state or excuse me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: The protesters went back to court and said, hey, maybe
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: you could let this judges order take effect now, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: the A Circuit still said no, we're going to keep
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: it on hold.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: In a eye.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that makes sense.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: One more thing for you here, there was some leaked
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: video from a detention facility in Baltimore. So Brian Allen
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: here says Baltimore media has reported isis keeping detainees here
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: for days, even though these cells are supposed to be
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: short term processing only. You can see, you know, migrants
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: who are crowded in no beds, just those silver like
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: you know, mass distributed blankets and so very miserable conditions.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: We've heard about miserable conditions in these facilities as well.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So put that in context here to forrest Kyle, because
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I think this also speaks to the sort of systematic
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: nature of the approach here where it's not you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: it's not a few bad apples, it's not you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: just in Minneapolis, there is across the board a very
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: aggressive and I would say inhumane approach that flouts the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: existing law.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Well, it sort of tells you why some of these
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: detention cases I mentioned are so conscious shocking is when
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: you're pulling people who have been living here for thirty years,
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: doing everything the way they're supposed to and litigating their
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: immigration cases in court. Then they're being scooped up and
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: thrown into a facility like this, you know, in the
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: overcrowded facilities, and there have been legal cases against facility,
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: you know, detention facilities and the conditions is a big
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: one in New York where the judge just led into
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: the administration about these unconstitutional violations of people's you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: and just inhumane violations, and so they have popped.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Up around the country.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: You know, I think that it's just part of, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: this larger landscape of you know, the real I guess
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: there the horror, the horrors that we're seeing some of
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: in some.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Of these cases.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: And I think that, you know, that's one of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: things that Judge Schiltz was so frustrated about, is you're
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: inundating us, and but not only that, you're defying our
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: orders in ways that keep these people locked up beyond
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: when they're legally supposed to be. We've telling you to
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: release them and you're not, and they're stuck in these
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: kinds of facilities. And also, actually I should mention members
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: of Congress have been trying to get access to these
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: facilities to see exactly what you just showed in that video,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: and they've been blocked repeatedly. They're supposed to be able
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: to visit without any advanced notice, so they can see
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: the conditions as they are and Ice and DHS has
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: blocked that, and that's a kind of a fight that's
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: proceeding in court right now, go ahead.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It was just one last question for you, Kyle, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I mean I look at this, and I'm a lay person.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: In terms of the law, I see you're tracking twenty
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: three hundred cases where they've violated the law. This memmo
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: life that says, you know, oh, we don't we can
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: just violate your Fourth Amendment rights. It's fine, we don't
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: need a warrant like all of this, you know, hundreds
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of years of precedent saying no, you need a judge
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to sign off before you bust into some violently bust
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: into someone's house. We're just throwing that out, Like what
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: is the check for that, what is the remedy for that?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Or can they just do it? And you know, case
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: by case gets litigated and then they just ignore the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: judges ruling, Like how does this get rained in? Is
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the is the court system capable in a sense of
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: really checking this administration when they are very determined to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: make their own rules.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, you've hit on I think the larger, the
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: sort of meta question of this entire administration, which is
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: that they have taken a tactic not just an immigration context,
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: but in every context of We're going to plow through
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: the boundary the limits that previous presidents sort of self
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: imposed or believed applied to them, and dare the courts
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: to stop us? And where they can, where the court's
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: push back, they have and the administration either continues pushing
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: forward again in the immigration context that you mentioned, or
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: in some cases they've been restrained, you know, especially the
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: administration has make clear at least for now, that the
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: Supreme Court is where they put all their eggs. If
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: if if it's Freme Court says no, I guess they
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: will reluctantly, you know, accept to feed on something.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: But for now it's there.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: They're they're they're testing the lines with with with district
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: courts and even appeals courts. And as you said, at
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: some point an administration just has to faithfully uphold and
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: execute the laws. You know, there isn't really a check
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: for that beyond politics. And if you have a problem
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: with that, the way to resolve that is with with elections.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of what Judgment Endez said yesterday, is
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: there are other checks beyond me for an administration that
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: you think is considering flagrant lawlessness. It's not just me
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: here in my just my little courtroom saying stop doing that.
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: There's bigger things that have to happen, other branches of
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: government that need to step in.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: M m yeah, kind of calling out Congress.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I like that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, Kyle, thank you so much for joining us. We
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: appreciate you.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Kyle. And I know you've been busy
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and your uh your Twitter feed has been invaluable along
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: with your reportings. Give him a follow. Thank you so
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: much for joining us, Kyle.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: All Right, It's time now to turn to Donald Trump's health,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: an issue which was raised a bit at Davos, but
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: has burst back onto the scene after he sat down
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: for an extraordinary interview with New York Magazine trying to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: defend his health, which gave some quotes which are truly unbelievable.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So for those of you who missed it, there were
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the president's health after these
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: images from Davos were released. Let's go and put this
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: up here on the screen where we saw a large
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: bruise on his hand, a bruise which appeared to kind
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: of come out of nowhere, because the previous day it
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: hadn't happened. Trump had given a response actually that the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: bruise itself was a result of aspirin. But yeah, I mean,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: for those of you who are watching, like you could
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: see here, this is pretty serious bruise, he said, He
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: bumped it on a table.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and point out that bruise was roughly
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: shaped like Greenland. Did you see that?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: The comparison? Yeah?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, all right, just like when people would see
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: like Jesus in a birth walker and a pancake.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead then and play Higgs explanation. A freezing
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on your hand?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Are you okay? Very good? I clipped it on the table,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: so I put a little uh what do they call
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: me cream on it, but I clipped it. I would say,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: take asper it if you like your heart, but don't
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: take aspirin if you don't want to have a little bruising.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: You know, if you take the big I take the
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: big asthma. And when you take the big aspen, they
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: tell you your bruise. The doctor said, you don't have
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: to take that, sir, you're very healthy. I said, I'm
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: not taking to the chances so that that's one of
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: the side effects of taking espin.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: So it's all the big aspir I still am unclear
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: as to what the big aspirin is. Doesn't sound great
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: for your gut microbiome, but that's just me. It might
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: be something a little worried about.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I guess it doesn't matter.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Would not, would not approve.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Not r your approved. I can tell you that the nsaides,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: but that big aspirin NSAIDs that's a lot of aspirin.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: But I guess it doesn't matter when you're eating a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: bunch of big max and burgers. However, Look, that was
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: just more of a lead into this where I had
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: to get this in the show. Let's put this up
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: here on the screen. New York Magazine gets it an
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Oval office sit down because they decided they wanted to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: write about Trump's health. So we got a couple quotes
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that we wanted to say for all of you, the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: superhuman president a good faith attempt to ascertuning the truth
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: about Donald Trump's health. Quote. When the President rests his eyes,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Levitt chimed in, he's actively listening. His energy levels are
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: so good that even elite members of the military cannot
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: keep up with his work schedule.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Quote.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: The Marine sentries who stand outside of the Oval office.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: They had to request more staff and bring up more
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: marines because the president is in the Oval office so much.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: They've never had to do that before. They had to
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: request more guys to stand by the door because they
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: are running out of men to fill the shifts.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Quote.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: He's working harder now than he did in his entire life,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: even in real estate when he was on the top
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: of the world in New York. But here's the question,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: because he's working harder now than he did in his
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: first term, because he would hope that he'd work just
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: as hard in his first term. However, those are not
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the craziest actually moments from this interview. Let's go to
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the next one, shall we My personal favorite Here, he
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: is asked at one point he's talking about his father.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: His father apparently had Alzheimer's'm gonna read this directly.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Quote.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: He had one problem. Trump said, at a certain age,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: about eighty six eighty seven, he started getting what do
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you call it? He pointed to his forehead, looked at
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the Press secretary for the word that escaped him Alzheimer's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Levitt said, like an Alzheimer's thing. Trump said, well, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: don't have it, okay, not the best, not exactly the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: interaction I would want when we're talking about Alzheimer's. Just
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: me in order to disprove some memory. And then finally,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: this is so funny. At one point, Trump drags in
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the White House doctor and or sorry the presser to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: drags in the White House.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Doctor.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Levitt says to the doctor, you worked for the Obamas,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: didn't you. He says, yes, I did. Jones had, in
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: fact worked from two thousand and nine twenty eighteen as
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: a senior medical leader in the White House. At the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: end of his presidency, Barack Obama, a fitness fanatic, rumored
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to allow himself seven almonds a night, was fifty five.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Who is healthier, Obama or Trump?
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I asked.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Trump stared across the desk, making icont with the Jones.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Jones did not hesitate President Trump, he said. Trump nodded.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: There was no sign of a smile, as if there
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: could not have been any other answer to the question.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Write that, he said, turning to me, Oh, okay, so
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: that's what he demands of his doctors. You know, I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: will say, I remember I kind of fell for this
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: doctor psyop in the first administration, because do you remember
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: who the doctor was. It was Ronnie Jackson.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, gets quoted in the piece, by the way.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Right, of course he don't. But here's the thing. Everyone
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, he was Obama's doctor, so like he
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: must be fine. And then he left and he became
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: a Republican congressman, and I was like, well, that's kind
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: of weird. You know, they have a Republican congressman who's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: a former doctor, and so what's going on with these doctors?
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Like how can you have such partisan doctors who are
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in the White House. It's a bit strange. I've never
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: met a doctor in my life who would talk like
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that ever, Right, these are the most cautious people in
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the world who will never definitively say anything and then
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: directly compare two people's Again, I know a lot of doctors.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I'm Indians, cliche. I literally cannot think of a single
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: doctor who would ever talk that way. So, I mean,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and it's not like he had serious. Guy is Obama's.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Doctor, Like Obama was much much younger. Right when he
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: was in the White House, he was.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Constant Obama defender.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was thin, he was fit, he was playing basketball,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: he was very you know, regimenting about his diet whatever.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Like the only thing is that he had smoked in
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the past, seem that he you know, quit apparently when
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: he was in the white Like the idea that Trump
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: is healthier than Obaba was in the way. And that's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the two things that come out of this are number one,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that quote about Alzheimer's, which is just that is the
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: most unfortunate word to forget that you can possibly imagine. Frankly,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: it's I relate to it a little bit, because I
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: do have those moments now one set of times where
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is that freaking word again? I can
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I can relate to it a bit. But then again,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not president of the United States, nor should i be.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: So there's that. But the other part is you read
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: some of the quotes from his staff, not just the doctors,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: from Caroline Levitt, Marco Rubio, everyone they talk to, I
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: mean truly North Korea level propaganda. He's the most active,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: he's the most fit. You know, the doctors who tested
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: his heart capacity they said they don't even need to
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: ever do it again because his heart is so healthy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: If he if he ever dies, it certainly won't be
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: because of his heart. It's unbelievable the embarrassing, humiliating quotes
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that were given by his staff in the context of
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: this piece. But of course they know that that's what
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: he wants to hear, right, it's the you know, the
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: president's health version of these cabinet meetings that he has
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: where they're all like, oh my god, not even Abraham
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Lincoln could imagine the greatness that you embody. Mister President, sir,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you are so healthy. There has never been anyone healthier
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in the entire history of the world, et cetera. I mean,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that's the other part is just like, the dynamics in
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: that White House are so creepy and disturbing, and the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: bubble that he has created for himself is wild.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having chat GBT pull some North Korean state
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: media quotes that were about Kim Jong ill. General Secretary
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of Kim Jong Ill is in good health. He's energetically
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: defending the overall affairs of the country. They respect did.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: General Secretary is full of vigor and energy, devoting himself
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: day and night to the sacred leadership of the revolution.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Despite despite the heavy burden of work for the country
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and the people. General, Kim Jong Ill remains strong in
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: body and mind. The Supreme Commander enjoys robust health and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: continues his time tireless on the spot guidance. These are
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: these are I mean, honest.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: With you, some of the things that were said in
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: this piece go even further than that. I mean to
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: call him superhuman and be like he doesn't even need
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to test his heart anymore. That's how good it is
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: at you know, almost eighty years old.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Like what yeah, uh well, I mean what's fascinating to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: me is also the media angle on this. So for
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: those who don't know, getting a sit down in the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Oval is not that easy. Everybody wants one, okay, So
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I've had to do this a couple of times. It's
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: a game and you kind of got to sell it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And it is stunning to me that Trump and his
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: press secretary that the way that this guy got in
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: because remember, you know, the New York Times just went
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: in there. The only reason they got in there is
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: because Trump is obsessed with the New York Times. The
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Oval Office. Every once in a while, you know, the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal or somebody like that will be able
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to get a sit down. But it's not all that
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: common in this administration. So the fact is is that
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the way this guy got in there is he was like,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to the President about his help,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and of course to Trump, this is the opportunity or
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: for him to flex with the doctors and with the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: press secretary and to talk about how phenomenal he is
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: in the midst of all these questions about you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: his hand, his health and his askmin So even from
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a media angle, it's amazing because no season comms person
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: would ever tell you to do this. This is purely
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Trump himself who is obsessed with the questions of his
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: health and painting this picture around it. And the fact
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: is is not only did it work, you know, on
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: behalf of New York Magazine, but the quotes from this
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: are I mean, they're just amazing. They really are. Because
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you also can just see I encourage you guys to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: go read it because we can't read it all to you.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, listen to this from Marco Rubio. The
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: guy is too healthy, Rubio the White House. Yeah, he's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: too active, Rubio said. By the way, Rubio's son is
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: actually a very good football player. Just to give you all,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: just to give you all some contact. Rubio, in addition,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: maybe one of the busiest men in Washington. Still, he
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: took time out of his day to regale me with
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: story about the President's unparalleled memory and attention to detail.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Once Trump noticed Rubio's size looked shitty, so at a
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: later meeting, the President presented him with a gift assigned
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: shoe box containing a pair of size twelves. I have
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: them on and they're perfect, he said, pointing to his
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: shining like drafts shoes. Another time, Trump perceived that the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: chandeliers in the State Department were missing medallions, the ornamental
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: discs that are installed on the ceiling. A few days later,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Trump called Rubio into his office with dozens of medallion samples.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how many I need, Rubrio recalled.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: He said, I think you need twelve, sure enough. I
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: try to match it as much as I can. It's
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: just not as natural to me. There's one place in
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: particular run Trump. Rubio is unable to keep up with
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the president. Air Force one. Rubio said he needs to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: get rest on overseas flies, but Trump never naps on
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the plane, so the Tecretary of State, a man task
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: with instelling fears in the hearts of our enemies. Uh
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, spends parts most parts of most flights
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: hiding from the eighty year old man. There is an
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: office with two couches, and I usually want to sleep
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: on one of those couches. What I do is I
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: co coon myself in a blanket, I cover my head,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and I look like a mummy. I do that because
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I know that at some point he's going to emerge
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: from the cabin and start prowling the hallways to see
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: who is awake. And I want him to think it
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: is a staffer. And I don't want him to see
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the Secretary of State on the couch and think, oh,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: this guy is so weak. Okay, can we just talk
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: about dysfunctional workplaces? This is.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Can we toxic workplace?
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Gen z employee, this is a toxic work's toxic work in.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't honestly get that much out of
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: this piece in terms of his actual.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Health, which, of course that's not the point.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Genuine question. I mean the blotches on the hands, which
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: are constant at this point, which he clearly is self
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: conscious about. You know, in a bunch of press conferences whatever,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: he'll cover his hand to try to cover it up.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: He slathers on some kind of poorly conceived makeup that
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't do anything to hide it. I mean, those things
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: are on there like all the time. And first we
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: were told it was from shaking hands. It was on
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: the right hand. Now it's on the left hand. To like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: what is going on with that. We see the facial group,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: We see him, you know, just being an old man
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: and falling asleep in meetings where I'm sorry, I'm not
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: you can't say his response actively listening, no, but remember.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: His response, he said it was three and a half hours.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It's boring, it's boring.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, bear.
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: Bear, he's right, but.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: You know, sorry, you do have the ability to control
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: those meetings. In fact, he holds some of the longest
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: meetings on record for a cab Like there's literally no
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: cabinet meetings are bullshit. Their formality. You're supposed to meet
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: for twenty minutes, do a camera thing. You get the
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: photo of everybody sitting in the White House habit room
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: with their fancy chairs, and then everybody just leaves. You're
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: not supposed to sitting there for three and a half hour.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: It's never happened before. It's extremely uncommon in the history
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: of the White House.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know what his
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: health is like. I you know, some days he looks
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I mean he does. He definitely is showing his age
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a lot more now than he has in the past.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. There's days when he gets
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: up there behind the podium he looks like shit. The
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: speech is like slow, certainly is hearing is not what
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: it used to be. You know, the splotches on the hands.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: There's been times when his walk has been sort of
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: shuffley and not tired.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean now again, Yeah, his age.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying, like first days
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: for his one year breast conference.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: It was very low energy.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys watched it. Unfortunately, I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: watched the entire thing. He spoke for over an hour fifteen.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: His heart was not in it. It was weird, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: he was speaking understated. He's had a couple of these
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: moments where you're like, man like and iget look covered
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: this guy for years, Gassin speak in every single different
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: type of environment from low energy to other. And he
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: had a certain way of talking when he was bored,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: but he never usually came off like this, like meandering
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and very very uh yeah, just low energy. And you know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I covered him four straight years in the White House,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: except you know, three feet away. In many of these cases,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: he definitely looks different, there's no there's no doubt about it.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And then there's the obsession with like the physical legacy
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: that he's going to leave, you know, as he clearly
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: he's thinking about end of life. You know, he's wanting
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: to leave his ballroom, he's wanting to leave his arc
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: de Trump. You know, he's wanting to leave like a
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: physical imprint there. So he's thinking about his what's going
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: to be there after he's gone. So there's that, and
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: you know some of these things like remember when he
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: kept mixing up Greenland and Iceland.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, thank you.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: These are the sort of things that we were gaslet
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: under Biden that like, no, it's just his stutter whatever.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we're being gasolt with him
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: as well of just like oh yeah, I mean he
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: meant ice space land. He didn't mean Iceland. He meant
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: a land of ice, and clearly like as you age,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: things start getting jumbled in your head. And he did
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: it repeatedly. It wasn't just like a you know, one
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: off where if you're talking a lot, you and I
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: have both experiences. If you're talking a lot, you're gonna
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: insert the wrong word or say the opposite of what
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: you mean or whatever like that happens sometimes, but it
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: does seem to be happening more and more frequently that
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the word is not he's not able to grab the
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: word he wants, he's using the wrong word, he's mixing
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: things up, et cetera. So there are some Biden esque,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: there are some Brandon moments that we have certainly witnessed
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: from this president in this term.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I sure again keep an eye on it, because
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Trump wanted to do this. It was ver. Some of
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: the quotes on this are all a bit crazy. The
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: hand thing. Look, it's undeniable.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: It's weird.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: You know, people don't just bruise. I don't know about you.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I don't bruise, you know very often, Like it's got
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: to be bad very recently. Right now we're buried under
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: inches of snow, like it needs to be one of
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: those scenarios where you literally like fall over and hurt
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: yourself really badly for something.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: In the fact it's always in the same place and
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: is always on the hand, it does give credence to
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: the idea that he's getting routinely getting some sort of
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: an ivy there.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: That's an open one, right because and everybody remembers about
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the condition. Remember the remember the Queen's hand right before
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: she died. That's what a lot of people. And yeah,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I've gotten IVS in my hands before. It hurts,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: always leaves a huge bruise. So yeah, I look who knows.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing. You got a doctor like this,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: who's I'm like, bro, I'm not gonna believe a damn
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: worthy you say if you're gonna talk about it, no
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: matter who you this is just a Trump thing. I'm like, bro,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you need to get out of there, like whoever whoever
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: becomes the next president, you need to get a new doctor.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: You can't be having doctor stock like this. Maybe maybe
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't know. I believed a little
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: bit more impartiality personally of doctors, but my confidence has
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: been shaken. Speak be pish