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Credlin | 29 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kremlin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming out tonight on Kredlin. Well, it's been
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Speaker 2: one of the worst days the Prime Minister yet fumbling
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Speaker 2: through a press conference, turning on the journalist rather than
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Speaker 2: answer valid questions about his love of a freebie. We'll
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Speaker 2: get the latest two out of the US on the election,
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Speaker 2: as well as take a closer look at one of
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Speaker 2: the key bellweers out of Saturday's Queensland election that spells
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Speaker 2: a doom for labor Federally, Chris Juhlman's big documentary on
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Speaker 2: Energy Australia's road to net zero ruin an exclusive look
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Speaker 2: here on Credline. Christ will join me too to take
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Speaker 2: us through what he's uncovered with this important investigative report
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Speaker 2: and the PM for Perks Well, we know Anthony Alberinezi
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Speaker 2: loves a freebie, but serious questions have now been raised
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Speaker 2: about whether or not he's breached the Ministerial Code or
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Speaker 2: indeed if he should be referred to the new anti corruption.
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Speaker 3: Watchtole Well, certainly, on the face of reading the Gillard
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Speaker 3: government minister or Code of Conduct the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 3: breached that by his own admission, every time he gets
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Speaker 3: before the cameras. I mean, he gets angry and he's
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Speaker 3: not a good person under pressure, which is never a
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Speaker 3: good trait in a prime minister. But it seems to
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Speaker 3: me that the Prime Minister just can't be trusted. I
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Speaker 3: think his integrity is in question and I think it's
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Speaker 3: why a lot of his colleagues are starting to question
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Speaker 3: his judgment on this and other issues.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with this issue because Anthony Albaneze's hold O
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Speaker 2: upgrades aren't going away because they reflect on the character
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Speaker 2: of our prime minister. He says he's the battler's friend
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Speaker 2: from Struggles Street. How's a commissioned kid with the single mum.
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Speaker 2: But he's well and truly left that behind with a
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Speaker 2: four and a half million dollar cliff top mansion, a
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Speaker 2: list tickets to everything going are now all these hundreds
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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars in quantus freebies, you had it
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Speaker 2: up twenty two times. He's got a business or first
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Speaker 2: class seat out of a bargain basement economy seat that
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Speaker 2: he bought himself on an overseas flight that's about ten
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars in a windfall every single time, ten thousand
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Speaker 2: for him, his son's now ex wife, and his girlfriend
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Speaker 2: now fiance. That's around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: plus by my calculations. It's the kind of stuff that
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Speaker 2: brings politicians undone because it's something that everyone can understand.
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Speaker 2: It's one thing for taxpayers to walk past MPs and
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Speaker 2: ministers sitting in business class when they're doing their job,
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Speaker 2: but quite another thing when they know the same politician
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Speaker 2: has scored himself a freebie into business or even first
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Speaker 2: class on a private holiday. It's not often the Greenish
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Speaker 2: Independence criticized labor prime ministers, but that's what happened today.
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Speaker 2: From the Member for Indie Helen Haynes on ABC Radio.
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Speaker 4: I think it's really inappropriate to solicit gifts of any kind.
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Speaker 4: What we do need, Steve, is a clear line of
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Speaker 4: sight of who is influencing who and how.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 2: To the act Senator the tear l, David Pocock, but
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Speaker 2: he stopped short, of course, he did, saying that he'd
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Speaker 2: refer the scandal to the National Anti Corruption Commission for investigation.
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Speaker 6: Well, anyone can make a referral.
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Speaker 1: To the NAC.
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Speaker 7: Would you personally consider us any of.
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Speaker 8: The referral to the NATO.
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Speaker 6: I won't be referring this. As I said, I think
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Speaker 6: this is an important thing. They're questions to answer, but
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Speaker 6: don't let this distract us from the bigger issue. We
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Speaker 6: should actually have a broader discussion about reform when it
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Speaker 6: comes to gifts, when it comes to lobbying.
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Speaker 9: What a fraud.
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Speaker 2: All this talk of integrity unless it's a labor prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the furor if this was a liberal
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Speaker 2: prime minister up to his neck in first class freebies
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Speaker 2: when he was transport minister. Imagine a health minister getting
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Speaker 2: free medical treatment or a new set of teeth for years,
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Speaker 2: or a tourism minister getting free accommodation at a luxury
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Speaker 2: resort for him and his family twenty two times over.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that many years ago that an undeclared Paddington
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Speaker 2: bear carried through customs brought down a minister in the
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Speaker 2: Hawk government. The cost of that unpaid customs duty was
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Speaker 2: just over one thousand dollars. Now we're told there's nothing
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Speaker 2: to see here, and even if there is, everyone does
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Speaker 2: it well wrong, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: They do not.
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Speaker 2: When I worked for the Prime Minister Tony Abott in
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Speaker 2: his office, his edict to his front bench was that
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Speaker 2: upgrades should be refused. He thought a business class seat
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Speaker 2: was good enough for his ministers, and he didn't like
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Speaker 2: the optics of MPs sitting in first class. He told
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Speaker 2: them too, they should forget about booking a suite at
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Speaker 2: a ritzy hotel. A room in a decent hotel, he said,
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Speaker 2: was fair enough when traveling overseas and representing our country.
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Speaker 2: But the sort of stays that the savoy or clarages
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Speaker 2: that had become almost routine in some governments, he said,
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Speaker 2: would not be accepted in his It's part of the
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Speaker 2: reason why he copped backbiting from disgrunt old MPs. Me too,
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Speaker 2: after all, part of my job was to enforce his rules.
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you the number of times I had
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Speaker 2: cranky ministers demand to take their wives on overseas work trips,
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Speaker 2: telling me that this is what they were owed. Even
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Speaker 2: backbenches too, one who threatened a spill motion, I might add, now, sorry,
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Speaker 2: I used to tell them you owe the electorate. You
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Speaker 2: owe the electorate for the privilege of working for them,
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Speaker 2: not the other way around. But that's not the way
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Speaker 2: our Prime Minister sees it. As labor inside our former
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Speaker 2: shortened chief of Staff, Cameron Milner wrote yesterday, alban Ezy
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Speaker 2: has a very carefully curated boy friend poverty who made
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Speaker 2: it to PM narrative. Now Elbow seems to be guided
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Speaker 2: by a vision of himself as a latter day Robin Hood,
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Speaker 2: living by the moral code of if you're a poor boy,
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Speaker 2: it's okay to rob from the rich. He would have
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Speaker 2: voters believe, says labor man Milner. The twenty eight years
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament brings judgment and experience, but instead Albanezy
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Speaker 2: looks like he's been wallowing in the freebies, all the
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Speaker 2: while sucking down hard on the teat of the taxpayer.
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Speaker 2: But what makes this story shift from one about a
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Speaker 2: particularly grasping MP to one with serious questions about corruption
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Speaker 2: is the fact that, according to author Joe Aston, Albanezy
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Speaker 2: called the quantus Alan Joyce as either Transport Minister or
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Speaker 2: shadowed Transport Minister, to solicit upgrades for himself and family members,
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Speaker 2: all worth hundreds of thousands of dollars now, all the
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Speaker 2: while he was supposed to be in charge of regulating
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Speaker 2: our aviation sector to ensure we're a fair ago for
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Speaker 2: the traveling public, who, as we know, paced some of
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Speaker 2: the world's highest airline fares to travel within and outside Australia.
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Speaker 10: Connas tried to withhold hundreds of millions of dollars of
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Speaker 10: COVID flight credits from their customers, sacked seventeen hundred workers,
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Speaker 10: had driven prices up, cancelation and delays in the wrong direction,
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Speaker 10: and the Prime Minister, at every step he could do
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Speaker 10: something about competition, has blocked Catter Airways reporting on cancelation
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Speaker 10: and delays, et cetera. He's been running a protection rack
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Speaker 10: at Carl and they blocked last Alan Joyce coming before
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Speaker 10: the Senate.
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Speaker 3: I think there are lots of questions about mister Albanezi's
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Speaker 3: credibility and his integrity in relation to the Quitar decision.
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Speaker 3: People in WA and people in the Northern Territory in particular,
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Speaker 3: are paying through the nose for airfares in part because
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Speaker 3: of a lack of competition.
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Speaker 2: Today, a very tetchy Prime Minister was specifically asked about
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Speaker 2: personally soliciting upgrades from the conscious boss. He never directly
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Speaker 2: answered the question, instead of saying that he had many
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Speaker 2: conversations with Joyce and couldn't recall any discussion of upgrades.
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Speaker 9: Do you call Alan Joyce personally for these upgrades?
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Speaker 11: Look the idea Quannas have a number in terms of
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Speaker 11: bookings that are private bookings and in terms of the
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Speaker 11: only discussions that I can recall with Alan Joyce, we
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Speaker 11: discussed the first flight from Australia to Dubai on an
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Speaker 11: A three eighty and I recall direct discussions with Alan
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Speaker 11: Joyce over over the flights the Emirates or Quanis flight
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Speaker 11: to Dubai and of course the first flight to Perth.
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Speaker 11: They're the only times that I was on a plane
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Speaker 11: with Alan Joyce.
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Speaker 2: Listen to that word salad. Listen to that word salad.
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Speaker 2: Instead of telling the truth, he tries to spread the
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Speaker 2: fault by slyly alluding to others who have accepted more upgrades.
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Speaker 2: The point is, Mate, they weren't the Transport Minister and
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Speaker 2: they didn't have Alan Joyce on speed dial. Today, my
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Speaker 2: Sky colleagues in Canberra dug through the paper records, old
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Speaker 2: records of disclosures to find even more flights with an
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Speaker 2: Our Prime Minister accepted upgrades, including one flight to London
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Speaker 2: as a relatively new MP where he was upgraded from
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Speaker 2: economy to first class. Here's another thing too, that so
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Speaker 2: so far no one else has picked up on. Under
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Speaker 2: the Register of Members' Interests, ministers are supposed not to
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Speaker 2: accept gifts from private sources worth more than three hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars or from official government sources worth more than seven.
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Speaker 5: Hundred and fifty dollars.
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Speaker 2: Now, strictly speaking, every upgrade the PM received while a
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Speaker 2: minister should have been valued easy enough to do, and
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Speaker 2: it should then have been required to repay the difference
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Speaker 2: between the value of the business or first class flight
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Speaker 2: he was gifted and the economy ticket he actually paid
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Speaker 2: for less the three hundred dollars threshold limit. Now, breaching
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Speaker 2: these rules as a minister go back to Mick Young.
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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a sacking offense. It's there to
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Speaker 2: stop our leaders turning their public duty into a private profit,
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Speaker 2: because it's not as if they're poorly paid.
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Speaker 5: I mean, for.
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Speaker 2: Twenty eighty years, Anthony Almeneesy's been on a six figure
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Speaker 2: salary as a politician, around two hundred and thirty thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a year. As a backbencher, something like three hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty thousand dollars as a minister, now six hundred
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Speaker 2: and seven thousand dollars as Prime minister. And when you
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Speaker 2: look at his list of freebies and upgrades, ask yourself this,
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Speaker 2: when was the last time this bloke put his hand
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Speaker 2: in his own pocket and paid his way. When just
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Speaker 2: because airlines in the past offered upgrades to influential people
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Speaker 2: and fed a sense of entitlement in some of them,
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Speaker 2: that's no excuse for the character flow inherent. It not
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Speaker 2: just accepting upgrades but calling up and demanded them, like
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott did when he was Prime Minister. Albanezey could
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Speaker 2: have just said no. It could have just said no.
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Speaker 2: Accepting gifts from an entity you regulate is pretty close
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Speaker 2: to kore.
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Speaker 5: So what's the.
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Speaker 2: Point of Canbra's new Anti corruption Commission if it doesn't
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Speaker 2: look at something like this.
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Speaker 5: It was the big news today, but there.
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Speaker 2: Are other headlines. Will go to camera now and get
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Speaker 2: the headlines with Skyini's political reporter cam Redden.
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Speaker 7: Good Evening, the Coalition has called for the Prime Minister
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Speaker 7: to refer himself to the National Anti Corruption Commission over
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Speaker 7: his relationship with Quantus.
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Speaker 3: I think the Prime Minister should take the initiative to
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Speaker 3: refer this matter to the Integrity Commission.
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Speaker 7: This follows a sky News exclusive revealing Anthony Alberaneesi received
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Speaker 7: upgrades on eight more overseas flights while he was a
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Speaker 7: junior Labour MP in the late nineties and early two thousands.
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Speaker 7: They include upgrades to business class with his then partner
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Speaker 7: on a holiday to Thailand, and an upgrade from economy
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Speaker 7: to first class on British airways. All these are in
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Speaker 7: addition to the twenty two upgrades he received while either
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Speaker 7: Transport Minister, Shadow Minister or Leader of the Opposition.
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Speaker 11: I have always acted in an open and transparent way.
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Speaker 7: A spokesperson for the Prime Minister tells sky News. These
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Speaker 7: revelations of earlier flight upgrades completely vindicates that the PM
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Speaker 7: has a long history of diligently making declarations in line
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Speaker 7: with the rules. An inquiry into Australia's COVID nineteen response
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Speaker 7: found vaccine delays, cost lives and heavy handed restrictions eroded
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Speaker 7: public trust.
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Speaker 8: Trust is easily lost, it's hard to regain.
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Speaker 7: The inquiry found border closures and the different approaches between
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Speaker 7: states and territories lacked consistency and compassion.
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Speaker 12: Many of the measures taken during COVID nineteen are unlikely
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Speaker 12: to be accepted by the population.
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Speaker 5: Again.
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Speaker 7: Cameron Redden's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right for more of the prime Minister's ongoing Quantus saga.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by our political editor Andrew Cleanell. Andrew, I
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Speaker 2: guess the issue now under the spotlight is whether the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has breached the Ministry or Code of conduct
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Speaker 2: in the past. Obviously it's a Gillard rud code. Whether
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Speaker 2: he's breached the Registrar of Members interests and whether or
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Speaker 2: not in all of that, all this gifting given to him,
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Speaker 2: he was influenced by thousands of dollars of upgrades to
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Speaker 2: act in Quantus's interest and not Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think the biggest issue in all this is
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Speaker 13: whether or not Anthony Alberenesi contacted Alan Joyce for these upgrades.
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Speaker 13: And as we sit here tonight, there's an allegation from
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Speaker 13: Joe Aston, which Joe Aston believes that he did, that
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Speaker 13: he did actually contact Alan Joyce, and the position of
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Speaker 13: Anthony Alberenesi, as I understand it, is he did not
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Speaker 13: contact Alan Joyce for these upgrades. So it's a fascinating situation.
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Speaker 13: I mean, there wasn't any statement, angry statement out of
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Speaker 13: the PMO on Saturday when this allegation was first made.
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Speaker 13: This is not true. You know, I never went to
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Speaker 13: Alan Joyce. There's no threat of defamation from Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 14: I'm my understanding.
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Speaker 13: His position is I called some sort of chairman's lounges
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Speaker 13: line or some sort of line, and this is how
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Speaker 13: this occurred. So there are still big questions around this.
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Speaker 13: And he's able to point to the fact many politicians
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Speaker 13: from both sides have received upgrades. Not all of them
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Speaker 13: were Transport Minister Paul Fletcher, he says, received sixty nine upgrades,
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Speaker 13: but cam Redden's reported this stuff. Then when John Anderson
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Speaker 13: was Transport Minister, he never accepted enoughgrade back in the
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Speaker 13: Howard days. So I think the way he's responded to it,
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Speaker 13: there are a lot of questions. One tactic you can
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Speaker 13: go down is, yeah, I contacted this person in Quantison,
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Speaker 13: So what just told I was traveling or whatever that
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Speaker 13: hasn't occurred.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's just pull this apart, Andrew. Let's I
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Speaker 2: spoke to someone very senior on the inside of QUANTUS
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Speaker 2: who says there is no special number for upgrades. That's
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Speaker 2: certainly my understanding. I worked for a prime minister. There
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Speaker 2: was no number that we were aware of that you
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Speaker 2: called for an upgrade. I make the point my old
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Speaker 2: boss wouldn't accept them, but we would never told that
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Speaker 2: there was a number. Right, So if there's not a number,
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Speaker 2: or sorry, if the Prime minister's saying there's a number,
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Speaker 2: well you're in camber, you're a gerno Andrew. Let's get
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Speaker 2: that number from him. Let's ring that number, Let's test
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Speaker 2: his word. Let's see that there is this quantus number
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Speaker 2: you call for upgrades, because I'm told it does not exist.
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Speaker 2: Now you make the point that this blew up on
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Speaker 2: the weekend. We're only now getting a rebuke from the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister. I put it to you as someone who's
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Speaker 2: worked in a political office and had to manage the
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Speaker 2: proverbial shit sandwich like this. I reckon between this news
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Speaker 2: breaking on the weekend and today, someone's got hold of
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Speaker 2: Allan Joyce, someone's made contact with him and said I'm
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Speaker 2: going to deny this. You're going to cover my backside,
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Speaker 2: and that's where we are tonight. And he was a
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Speaker 2: little bit loose in completely ruling it out because he's
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Speaker 2: perhaps worried there might be more in this book that
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Speaker 2: will be available when it's launched tonight, or there might
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Speaker 2: be a stray text message that emerges in coming days.
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Speaker 2: But even if he didn't actually call Alan Joyce on
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Speaker 2: every one of those twenty two occasions, perhaps he texted
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Speaker 2: the EA and said, look, let Alan know I'm flying
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Speaker 2: to London on QF two on Saturday night. Any help
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Speaker 2: would be gratefully received.
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Speaker 5: That's how it's.
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Speaker 2: Done, and I think the Prime Minister is on very
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Speaker 2: thin ice tonight.
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Speaker 13: Well you could imagine a situation where, because how else
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Speaker 13: do you get the upgrades, where someone is messaged and
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Speaker 13: told I'm on this flight. You don't have to do
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Speaker 13: anything that appreciate your help, because, after all, he declares
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Speaker 13: the upgrades in the end, doesn't he. So I think, look,
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Speaker 13: I mean they'll be thinking, you know, Melbourne carp American
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Speaker 13: election next week. All this will go away a bit.
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Speaker 13: But it does seem to me that there's some more
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Speaker 13: probing of the PM on this that could occur and
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Speaker 13: probably will occur, because it's running absolutely everywhere. Now that's
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Speaker 13: the thing. It's been a decent hit from Joe As
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Speaker 13: and it comes after the four point three million door
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Speaker 13: a house purchase. I means some of the glosses come
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Speaker 13: off the PM, some of the you know, I grew
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Speaker 13: up in social housing story and I think the PM,
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Speaker 13: you know, has been in Parliament since nineteen ninety six.
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Speaker 13: And as you as you spend your career in Parliament,
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Speaker 13: you get more and more freebies. You get free tickets
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Speaker 13: to the foot of you go in the boxes. I've
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Speaker 13: done that as a journalist myself, and you get these
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Speaker 13: things which are public probably sort of suspect happened, but
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Speaker 13: when it's highlighted, it's pretty ugly. And that's flight upgrades. Now,
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Speaker 13: Peter Duttons says he should refer himself to the Knack.
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Speaker 13: The test for Peter Dutton will be with Parliament on
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Speaker 13: next week. Will he pursue this in question time? If
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Speaker 13: he does, there's some risk attached because he will know
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Speaker 13: there are people on his side who have accepted upgrades
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Speaker 13: and the like. But if he thinks it's serious enough
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Speaker 13: for the Prime Minister to refer himself, I don't think
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Speaker 13: he has a choice.
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Speaker 2: I thought he looked pretty rattled today and it was tetchy.
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Speaker 2: He really let it get under his skin. What did
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Speaker 2: you think.
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Speaker 13: I think that the Prime Minister's reaction the press conference
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Speaker 13: today is the sort of reaction he would probably have
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Speaker 13: in his private office with staff and when allegations are
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Speaker 13: made against you, and I think it's better not to
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Speaker 13: take that approach if you're a leader, to take it
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Speaker 13: so personally if you like, I mean, you might have
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Speaker 13: your own opinion of Joe Aston, but if you think
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Speaker 13: you're being unfairly attacked or you're part of what you
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Speaker 13: see as an attack on Alan Joyce, that your collateral damage,
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Speaker 13: then I guess the old saying is rise above it.
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Speaker 13: You know, just say no I didn't contact Ellen Joyce
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Speaker 13: or I don't recall any sort of contact like that,
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Speaker 13: and I'm more interested in more important issues for Australians.
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Speaker 13: It's quite a standard, simple response if that is the
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister's version of events. And instead we got an
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Speaker 13: angry to raid against mister Dutton, mister Aston, and even
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Speaker 13: including you know, saying I was on the Perth to
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Speaker 13: London flight or whatever, and so all these media are
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Speaker 13: on the junket as well. Look that may all be true,
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Speaker 13: but it's how you say these things. It's the tone.
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Speaker 13: I mean, politicians have done a bit of training. Always
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Speaker 13: talk to me about the tone and how people perceive
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Speaker 13: the tone, and the less you're angry, the better. And
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Speaker 13: Anthony Albanez needs no better study of that than his predecessor.
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Speaker 13: I mean, he's at risk of making the same mistakes
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Speaker 13: as Scott Morrison. Scott Morrison looked angry in the job
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Speaker 13: and at the end, end, in the end, that was
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Speaker 13: one of the reasons why voters turfed him out.
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for that. We'll leave it there, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: It'll be an absolute feature when Parliament returns next week.
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Speaker 5: It will not go away.
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Speaker 2: I think once this book is in everyone's hands tonight
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Speaker 2: at the launch from Joe Aston, there'll be more revelations
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Speaker 2: and I think it's going to keep going unless we
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Speaker 2: get some answers. Thank you, Andrew Clenell. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: go to another big issue, because this has happened this afternoon.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: It was about a week ago I spoke with the
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Speaker 2: CEO of Salmon Tasmania, Luke Martin, about the state of limbo.
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Speaker 2: The industry has been left in with the Federal Environment
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Speaker 2: Minister Tania pleversec mulling a review that could potentially see
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Speaker 2: salmon fishing in Macquarie Harbor closed down. Well today, the
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Speaker 2: industry and everyone who relies on it have been told
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Speaker 2: they'll have to wait until after the next federal election
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Speaker 2: before she'll make a determination on whether to close down
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Speaker 2: Tasmania's salmon industry. Now, this might not be the worst
21:58
Speaker 2: possible outcome being shot down is but it's pretty close.
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Speaker 2: And that strongly suggests to me and a lot of
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Speaker 2: the salmon industry that plevsk is just allaying her decision
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Speaker 2: knowing the electoral fallout, joining me to discuss this now,
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Speaker 2: Shadow Environment Minister, of course, Senator for Tasmania, John o'duniam, well, Senator, welcome.
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Speaker 2: You obviously are a Tasmanian first and foremost this is
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Speaker 2: also your shadow portfolio area. I don't know, but this
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Speaker 2: is a shocking outcome because the limbo continues with this.
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Speaker 2: If the Minister has the strength in her convictions, make
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Speaker 2: the decision, now, why put it off until after the election?
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Speaker 2: That says to me it bodes very ominously for your industry.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely it does. Peter, can I say this has been
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Speaker 15: a year of hell for the people of strawm the
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Speaker 15: four hundred and fifty employees in the salmon industry. There
22:54
Speaker 15: are five thousand salmon workers across our state and they're
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Speaker 15: all watching and waiting with baited breath for the minister
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Speaker 15: to make a decision. She has all of the information
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Speaker 15: she needs. And let's not forget this whole process started
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Speaker 15: because of referrals from green activist groups, including the Bob
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Speaker 15: Brown Foundation, the taxpayer funded Environmental Defender's Office. So this
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Speaker 15: is a totally unnecessary review and the science bears that out.
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Speaker 15: So this decision is very bad for my state. And
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Speaker 15: I cannot believe there is not a single labor member
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Speaker 15: or senator who's not put their head up and said, Tanya,
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Speaker 15: do the right thing. Labour's supposed to be the friend
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Speaker 15: of the worker. What are we doing? But they are
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Speaker 15: being written by green ideology, And of course Tanya Pliposek,
23:38
Speaker 15: like so many other inner city lower house environment ministers
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Speaker 15: from places like Sydney, have done so before. They will
23:45
Speaker 15: sacrifice an industry to save their seat.
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Speaker 5: Do you know?
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Speaker 2: Electorally, Tasmania is almost like a whole lot of little countries.
23:56
Speaker 2: The green sort of tinge view down south doesn't match
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Speaker 2: the needs of working class people and jobs and what
24:03
Speaker 2: I'd regard as sort of old blue collar industries in
24:05
Speaker 2: the North. Go back to that infamous election two thousand
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Speaker 2: and four, Mark Latham up against John Howard, and John
24:11
Speaker 2: Howard walked into a whole packed full of unionized timber
24:15
Speaker 2: workers and they basically treated him like the Messiah because
24:18
Speaker 2: he said I'm there to protect your jobs and that
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Speaker 2: cost Labour seats, that cost them government at Mark Latham's
24:25
Speaker 2: chance of government. This is going to play out, I
24:27
Speaker 2: think very negatively for Labor at the coming election.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely will Peter and it was Dick Adams that then
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Speaker 15: Member for Lions who went against Mark Latham's Sydney centric,
24:38
Speaker 15: Melbourne centric view of the world and telling Tazzy how
24:41
Speaker 15: to do business. It's the one time in our lives
24:43
Speaker 15: we ever got to see John Howard CrowdSurf on CFMMU workers.
24:48
Speaker 15: But Dick Adams, who went against Mark Latham, won his
24:52
Speaker 15: seat back. The two Northern Bats and Braddon members who
24:56
Speaker 15: were from Labor lost their seats to the Liberals because
24:58
Speaker 15: we stood with industries that were sustainable and are patch
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Speaker 15: full of honest, hard working men and women. This reeks
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Speaker 15: of that, and it is a government that is dictated
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Speaker 15: to by the Greens in large part because of how
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Speaker 15: their ideology is these days. But with this extension, we're
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Speaker 15: now talking about a two year delay on an assessment.
25:20
Speaker 15: Another Christmas, another Easter, another financial year. When the crimean
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Speaker 15: war was fought in a short period of time than
25:27
Speaker 15: it's taken tanu plivsect to make a decision about this,
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Speaker 15: the science is clear issue.
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Speaker 2: Back in the industry, donaldun him, I'm assuming you're a
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Speaker 2: member of the Chairman's lounge. Are you aware of this
25:39
Speaker 2: special number of the Prime Minister claims he used to
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Speaker 2: call quantas and get upgrades all the way to first
25:47
Speaker 2: class for his private holiday travel.
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Speaker 5: Do you have that number?
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Speaker 15: No, sadly, I don't have that number, and I reckon
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Speaker 15: if my colleagues or I did, it would probably get
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Speaker 15: rung off the hook. But what a ridiculous claim. I mean,
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Speaker 15: he's been caught out. It's not about the fact that
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Speaker 15: he received upgrades. It's not about the fact he did
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Speaker 15: or didn't declar it. It's about the fact that he
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Speaker 15: procured them at least as the allegation goes, and he
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Speaker 15: was Transport Minister or shadow Transport Minister at the time.
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Speaker 15: This does not sit right at all, and he seriously
26:19
Speaker 15: has to clear this whole thing up or else we
26:21
Speaker 15: will be forced in the Senate to have an inquiry
26:24
Speaker 15: into this. And I think Australians want to know the
26:25
Speaker 15: truth around how Albo got himself into first class on
26:28
Speaker 15: so many flights.
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Speaker 2: You've got a center estimates coming up? Are you going
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Speaker 2: to pursue it?
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Speaker 15: I reckon there might be one or two questions about this,
26:37
Speaker 15: and you know, it'll be interesting to see what government
26:40
Speaker 15: minister at the table, probably Penny Wong, I suspect, will
26:43
Speaker 15: say in response to these questions. But it'll be the deflection,
26:47
Speaker 15: a bit of the bag Dad Bob. Nothing to see here.
26:49
Speaker 15: We declared everything. Honestly, I think off the back of
26:52
Speaker 15: the housing debacle with his multi million dollar mansion. I
26:56
Speaker 15: don't begrudge him buying that, but when you claim to
26:58
Speaker 15: be a man of the people and have your backstory
27:01
Speaker 15: as one that he does, this new narrative that's forming
27:04
Speaker 15: around our very well healed prime minister is starting to
27:08
Speaker 15: bite and take the gloss off. As others have said, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Not wrong when salmon farmer are going to lose their jobs.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Senator Dunningham.
27:16
Speaker 5: All right, after the.
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Speaker 2: Break, we'll go to Townsville where Labor suffered a wipeout on
27:19
Speaker 2: the weekend they lost three seats and why this is
27:22
Speaker 2: such a worry for the Albanizer government. Bus a bit
27:25
Speaker 2: later on that exclusive look at Sky's upcoming doco on
27:29
Speaker 2: the disastrous consequences of Australia's rush to renewables, Welcome Back
27:37
Speaker 2: Still the Calm, an exclusive sneak peek at Chris Yeoman's
27:41
Speaker 2: upcoming documentary The post is a question can we actually
27:44
Speaker 2: afford our race to renewables? But first let's head back
27:48
Speaker 2: to Queensland, because one thing that's clear from Saturday labor
27:51
Speaker 2: has a big problem in our regions. I'm going to
27:55
Speaker 2: speak with l and PMP for Townsville, Phil Thompson in
27:58
Speaker 2: a moment about the in his electorate. As I said,
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Speaker 2: three seats they're lost to labor or labor having lost them.
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Speaker 5: But there are still a number of seats up in
28:07
Speaker 5: the air.
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Speaker 2: So we'll get an update now on the count from
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Speaker 2: our chief election analyst Tom Connell.
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Speaker 16: We do have some more votes trickling in today, but
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Speaker 16: not enough to declare any of these seats. When we
28:18
Speaker 16: look at these margins of the cliffhangers still to go
28:21
Speaker 16: in Queensland.
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Speaker 8: Not much change Morani.
28:23
Speaker 16: That's Kap versus ALLENP still too tight to call. Gave
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Speaker 16: in his Labor versus the L ANDP and again too
28:29
Speaker 16: tight to call. Even though we had a few votes
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Speaker 16: in today, it hasn't really shifted things.
28:33
Speaker 8: So it's still a chance of going L and P.
28:35
Speaker 8: Mulgrave looks bigger on paper. That's all about the preference flow.
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Speaker 16: If the Catter Australia Party gets to second, there's a
28:41
Speaker 16: chance it could knock off the L ANDP. So that's
28:44
Speaker 16: why we're watching that similar situation in South Brisbane.
28:46
Speaker 8: It's a big margin.
28:47
Speaker 16: But again if we see the L ANDP moved into second,
28:51
Speaker 16: then the Greens beat the L and P via help
28:53
Speaker 16: from Labor.
28:54
Speaker 8: So we are watching all those seats. Obviously the result is.
28:57
Speaker 16: A clear one fifty two. We could see the L
28:59
Speaker 16: and P get up to fifty four. That's the highest
29:02
Speaker 16: they'll get to in terms of the majority, so that
29:04
Speaker 16: gives them a bit of a buffer.
29:05
Speaker 8: Regardless they've already got a buffer of five. It could
29:07
Speaker 8: go as high as seven.
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Speaker 16: We know there was a swing right across Queensland, but
29:11
Speaker 16: none bigger than Townsville. It goes to show state elections
29:14
Speaker 16: still very much have a factor of those local issues.
29:17
Speaker 8: The crime issue in Townsville was the big one.
29:20
Speaker 16: This is before the election, these three red seats Labor
29:23
Speaker 16: seats by three to four percent.
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Speaker 8: This is the live vote count.
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Speaker 16: Massive swings on a two party preferred basis here and
29:30
Speaker 16: if we go into the seats we see exactly what happened.
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Speaker 16: Because there was talk of Cater Australia Party perhaps picking
29:35
Speaker 16: up the swing instead of the L ANDP and then
29:37
Speaker 16: getting the seat. As you could see, that was a
29:39
Speaker 16: non factor. They barely got a swing at all. Catter
29:41
Speaker 16: Australia Party a massive swing to the L and P,
29:44
Speaker 16: Labour losing a lot of vote as well, and we
29:46
Speaker 16: see two party preferred. You can see the size of
29:48
Speaker 16: the swing and the margin. Now it's clearly a safe
29:51
Speaker 16: LNP seat. Not quite as big a factor. When we
29:54
Speaker 16: look at the seat of Townsville itself, it was a
29:56
Speaker 16: smaller margin, but a smaller swing happened.
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Speaker 8: But again, even though Labour didn't.
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Speaker 16: Lose as much vote, KAP doing very little, the LLENP
30:04
Speaker 16: picking up the vote there and making preferences and non
30:07
Speaker 16: issue effectively fifty five point nine to three, So just
30:10
Speaker 16: beyond the threshold of a marginal seats. And when we're
30:13
Speaker 16: looking again at Townsville, we can see the three seats
30:16
Speaker 16: now at Allen P and then we've got a KAP seat.
30:18
Speaker 16: So when we're thinking about federal implications and we look
30:21
Speaker 16: at this map here, what are they when we look
30:23
Speaker 16: at this particular area, this little white bit here, that's
30:26
Speaker 16: the seat of Herbert. So the L ANDP already hold
30:29
Speaker 16: that federally. What about the seat of Kennedy then would
30:31
Speaker 16: they have their eyes on this?
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Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 16: Despite the fact that KAP did not poll that well
30:36
Speaker 16: on the seats they were trying to win in Townsville,
30:38
Speaker 16: their voters held up. You can see these are the
30:40
Speaker 16: overlapping seats for the seat of Kennedy held by Bob
30:43
Speaker 16: Catter thirteen percent. Yes, it's a pretty big swing in Hill,
30:45
Speaker 16: but look how high that two party preferred vote is
30:48
Speaker 16: still and a very small swing there. So this will
30:50
Speaker 16: not put Kennedy on the map at the federal election.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Tom, let's bring in Phil Thompson now and the
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Speaker 2: member for Herbert, the federal member of course in that region. Phil,
31:02
Speaker 2: thanks for your time. Every election, I look very closely
31:06
Speaker 2: at seats like yours and Michelle Laundry is a little
31:09
Speaker 2: bit south from you, And I want to know how
31:12
Speaker 2: those seats play out at a state level to then
31:16
Speaker 2: trans analyze that federally. We know crime's top of mind,
31:21
Speaker 2: absolutely up your way. What else was driving the vote
31:24
Speaker 2: on Saturday night?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, so crime is number one, two, three, and four
31:31
Speaker 12: on the priority list here in Townsville, and people want
31:35
Speaker 12: to feel safe in their home. They're sick of our
31:37
Speaker 12: crime rate. So that was the big driving force. And sadly,
31:41
Speaker 12: for as long as I can remember, the state MPs
31:45
Speaker 12: didn't fight for the people here locally and stand up
31:48
Speaker 12: to their masters in Brisbane, so.
31:49
Speaker 14: People voted with their feet.
31:51
Speaker 12: Cost of living was also thrown in there. People are
31:54
Speaker 12: finding it hard to live it. They're finding it hard
31:56
Speaker 12: to buy groceries, insurances, high electricities going home. People are
32:01
Speaker 12: doing it tough. And if you're doing it tough in
32:03
Speaker 12: the city, you're doing it ten times tougher in the regions.
32:06
Speaker 12: And we heard that on the polling boots. So the
32:08
Speaker 12: people of towns All they voted for change, and that's
32:11
Speaker 12: what they've got.
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Speaker 2: If labor wants to hold onto power, it's got to
32:16
Speaker 2: take seats like yours off the LNP put them in
32:19
Speaker 2: their column. We know they're going to lose seats elsewhere
32:22
Speaker 2: across the map.
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Speaker 5: So you're a target seat.
32:25
Speaker 2: How do people in your seat regard the government and
32:28
Speaker 2: the promises it's made at the last election and where
32:32
Speaker 2: they are today.
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Speaker 12: Well, the people of towns are no fools. They're very smart,
32:38
Speaker 12: and they're very politically astute, and they don't trust the
32:42
Speaker 12: governments and they haven't at the state level and they
32:45
Speaker 12: don't at the federal level because they look at promises
32:48
Speaker 12: that have been hollow, they look at the slippery tongue
32:52
Speaker 12: in cheek and not answering questions that we see from
32:55
Speaker 12: ministers and the Prime Minister as early as yesterday. And
32:58
Speaker 12: so when the people of towns to look for someone,
33:01
Speaker 12: they want to see people that will stand up for them,
33:03
Speaker 12: that will fight for them and that will deliver for them.
33:06
Speaker 12: And sadly Labor hasn't done that. Even when they held
33:08
Speaker 12: the seat here before I took it too elections ago,
33:12
Speaker 12: they didn't have someone that would stand up and say no,
33:15
Speaker 12: I'm Townsll's voice in canbra I'm not Canberra's voice in Townshill.
33:19
Speaker 12: So the people at Townsville they will be keeping an
33:22
Speaker 12: eye on the state, but they also know that I'll
33:25
Speaker 12: fight for them and I don't care how they vote.
33:26
Speaker 12: I'll fight for every single person that lives in the
33:29
Speaker 12: Herbit electorate.
33:32
Speaker 2: We saw some pretty grubby tactics from State Labor in
33:36
Speaker 2: that campaign. We know that, you know the big scarem
33:42
Speaker 2: big scare campaigns. We saw it obviously with abortion, but
33:44
Speaker 2: we've seen it before with medi scare. A sort of
33:47
Speaker 2: in the bag of tricks from Labor. We're also told,
33:50
Speaker 2: of course they're going to go after Peter Dutton. It's
33:52
Speaker 2: going to be a pretty heavy personal attack on your leader.
33:56
Speaker 5: How would that go down in your electorate.
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Speaker 12: We've already seen personal attacks of Peter Dutton. We've seen
34:05
Speaker 12: senior ministers call Peter a pedophile protector. Like the disgusting,
34:10
Speaker 12: trashy comments that these Labor ministers have already been doing
34:15
Speaker 12: to the leader of the Opposition. Peter Dutton has just
34:17
Speaker 12: been disgraceful and we know there's no one in the
34:20
Speaker 12: Parliament that has done more to stop these heinous crimes.
34:24
Speaker 12: And we took to the last election and I'm sure
34:26
Speaker 12: we'll be talking about it this one. A national child
34:29
Speaker 12: sex offender register. We know that the Labor Party will
34:32
Speaker 12: go after Peter and they'll go after every single person
34:35
Speaker 12: that they think that they can rattle or try and
34:37
Speaker 12: steer off. Of course we know these grubby tactics happen.
34:41
Speaker 12: But I think that the Prime Minister, like the leader
34:43
Speaker 12: of the Opposition, should talk about what their vision is
34:46
Speaker 12: for this country and not the mudsling and that we've
34:48
Speaker 12: seen from the Labor Party.
34:52
Speaker 2: What about the PM's love of a perkin and a freebie?
34:55
Speaker 2: Is that cut through in Townsville?
34:59
Speaker 12: Yeah, it has because if people if you're in the
35:02
Speaker 12: city and you jump on a plane, it's expensive. Times
35:05
Speaker 12: are by three or four and that's what it feels
35:06
Speaker 12: like in the regions. People find it tough to get
35:09
Speaker 12: on a plane here because of the cost. And now
35:11
Speaker 12: you've got the Prime Minister calling up his buddy Alan
35:13
Speaker 12: Joyce to jump on a plane to upgrade himself and
35:16
Speaker 12: his family on personal travel. I think it's disgraceful. I
35:20
Speaker 12: think he should refer himself to the knack and I
35:22
Speaker 12: think he should stop avoiding the question and start answering
35:25
Speaker 12: did he make these phone calls to Alan Joyce and
35:28
Speaker 12: ask for a personal upgrade because he hasn't done it.
35:31
Speaker 12: He runs away from it, and I think it's a
35:32
Speaker 12: slippery slope and he's untrustworthy.
35:36
Speaker 2: Well, all right, we'll see where it goes from here.
35:39
Speaker 2: Thank you very much mate, Right there, Bill Thompson, All right,
35:42
Speaker 2: after break, Christy Yrman joins me for an exclusive investigation
35:46
Speaker 2: on the road to ruin where on with net zero plus?
35:50
Speaker 2: With the US election just over a week away now,
35:52
Speaker 2: Democrats in padick Moe holes showing Kamala Harris lagging in
35:57
Speaker 2: nearly every key state. Welcome back to your calum What
36:04
Speaker 2: to expect from the Trump and Harris camps as they
36:08
Speaker 2: enter the final days of campaigning. But first, on November nineteen,
36:12
Speaker 2: Chris Yullman will have a new Sky newsed documentary that
36:16
Speaker 2: will investigate where exactly we're headed as a nation under
36:20
Speaker 2: Albanesi government's net zero obsession.
36:34
Speaker 9: Every business is going to be charged more.
36:36
Speaker 1: Chris Yullman investigates the truth of our ambitious net zero targets.
36:41
Speaker 1: Goodbye gas heaters, goodbye gas cooktops, and the government spin
36:44
Speaker 1: story with more holes than Swiss cheese.
36:47
Speaker 14: Energy is a part of the economy.
36:49
Speaker 17: Energy is the economy, and it hangs in a balance
36:51
Speaker 17: that's about to be.
36:53
Speaker 1: Tipped wine renewables will throw bosies into more financial pain.
36:58
Speaker 17: A payday cure and seventy three dollars we just couldn't
37:02
Speaker 17: afford the bill.
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Speaker 1: But the storage cost is just so incredibly high. Is
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Speaker 1: the government sending as green or broke?
37:10
Speaker 3: Like Tyson said, everyone has a great plan until we
37:13
Speaker 3: get punched in the face.
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Speaker 14: I'm Chris Orman.
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Speaker 17: Joined me on Sky News as we investigate the real
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Speaker 17: cost of net.
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Speaker 1: Zero November nineteen on Sky News Australia.
37:26
Speaker 2: Joining me in our Kredlin regular Sky News contributed Christy Orman. Well, Chris,
37:30
Speaker 2: I know we've spoken about this a little bit around
37:32
Speaker 2: the edges. We certainly talk about the topic often enough
37:35
Speaker 2: here on the show, but I want to tell my viewers.
37:38
Speaker 2: When you and I spoke privately, you said you are
37:41
Speaker 2: shocked about what you've uncovered.
37:44
Speaker 5: This has been a real labor of love for you.
37:46
Speaker 2: You're pretty agnostic when it comes to technology that might
37:50
Speaker 2: be deployed in our energy needs to the future. But
37:53
Speaker 2: you're just worried about where Australia is headed. And you're
37:55
Speaker 2: also worried, I think as you should be, about being
37:59
Speaker 2: energy vulnerable at this time of military and strategic uncertainty.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Peter, and I just think that people should be
38:08
Speaker 17: told the truth.
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Speaker 14: Right.
38:09
Speaker 17: The pledge of all of this was that if we
38:12
Speaker 17: put more renewable energy on the grid, more wind and solar,
38:15
Speaker 17: that would bring down the price of power and that
38:17
Speaker 17: it would be cheaper.
38:19
Speaker 14: Now that's a complete myth.
38:20
Speaker 17: And what we do in this investigation is not to
38:23
Speaker 17: talk to activists and not to talk to politicians. We
38:25
Speaker 17: go to talk to the people who run electricity systems,
38:28
Speaker 17: not just here but around the world to see what
38:31
Speaker 17: the real story is about what happens when you deploy
38:34
Speaker 17: wind and solar at scale.
38:35
Speaker 14: And the issue is, of course, is that.
38:37
Speaker 17: They don't generate most of the time. Think about it,
38:41
Speaker 17: if it's part time power when best on what sure
38:43
Speaker 17: wind's farm will produce about forty percent of the time,
38:46
Speaker 17: best sola about thirty percent of the time, and by
38:48
Speaker 17: the way, you never know when that time is going
38:50
Speaker 17: to be.
38:51
Speaker 14: So they're not an electricity system.
38:53
Speaker 17: What you have to do is build a massive life
38:55
Speaker 17: support system for them in order to turn them into
38:58
Speaker 17: an electricity system.
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Speaker 14: And all of that adds costs to the system.
39:02
Speaker 17: So the wholesale price of power is going up because
39:04
Speaker 17: wind and solar don't set it on the wholesale market.
39:07
Speaker 17: The price of transmission is going up because this grid
39:10
Speaker 17: that we're building has to be flung to the four
39:11
Speaker 17: corners of the Earth and then connected with transmission lines.
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Speaker 14: That's nine percent of your bill. And the distribution system,
39:18
Speaker 14: which is.
39:18
Speaker 17: The poles and wires around your house might need to
39:21
Speaker 17: be retooled and that's thirty five percent of your bill.
39:24
Speaker 14: So there is no way that doing what we're doing
39:27
Speaker 14: is going to.
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Speaker 17: Lower the costs of electricity. And then the other question is,
39:31
Speaker 17: of course doesn't make it greener? Well, it depends on
39:33
Speaker 17: how much of Australia you want to dig up to
39:36
Speaker 17: put these wind and solar farms on. So, as I say,
39:40
Speaker 17: my issue in all of this is simply that if
39:42
Speaker 17: we're going to do this, we need to be honest
39:44
Speaker 17: with the Australian people and tell them that we are
39:46
Speaker 17: building a less reliable power system than the one that
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Speaker 17: they had, and a more expensive system than the one
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Speaker 17: that they had, and then let them make a choice
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Speaker 17: about whether or not they think that's a great idea.
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Speaker 2: I've been dealing with this policy for nine on twenty years.
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Speaker 2: Chris inside Government, inside opposition now in the media, I
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Speaker 2: think one of the hardest things to convey to people
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Speaker 2: is in a simple form the detail that's ahead of
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Speaker 2: the subsidies involved, the legislation, the funds, the international carbon
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Speaker 2: credit regimes, the push and pull of financial incentives by
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Speaker 2: early mover adopters and investors that are making millions and
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars.
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Speaker 5: Out of this sector.
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Speaker 2: And I think what they've always got away with is
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Speaker 2: that the complexity of all of this is often beyond
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Speaker 2: the poor people literally at the bottom of the food
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Speaker 2: chain who are paying their power bills and basically it's
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Speaker 2: all getting passed through to them. Have you done your
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Speaker 2: best to make this something that people watching Aaron Sky
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Speaker 2: News can understand the scale of what's happening here in Australia.
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Speaker 17: Peter, I have done my very best and I hope
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Speaker 17: for the best that it comes across clearly. But just
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Speaker 17: look at what part of that And the reason that
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Speaker 17: people need to know some detail about this is that
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Speaker 17: the only place where wind and solar when it's generating,
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Speaker 17: could cut the cost of your bill is in the
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Speaker 17: wholesale price of electricity. So when they generate, they generate
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Speaker 17: very cheaply The problem is they don't generate very often,
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Speaker 17: and in the wholesale market for electricity, the price is
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Speaker 17: not set by the lowest cost of generation. It's set
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Speaker 17: by the highest cost of generation. So what happens is
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Speaker 17: when those other costs gas batteries and hydro, both very
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Speaker 17: very expensive technologies needed to support wind and solar, they're
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Speaker 17: going to more often set the price in the wholesale market.
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Speaker 17: That will drive the cost higher. So if the wholesale
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Speaker 17: cost goes up, that's the only part of your bill
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Speaker 17: that could possibly come down. And transmission and distribution and
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Speaker 17: environmental schemes are all going up. So every part of
41:48
Speaker 17: your bill that matters has been driven higher by put
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Speaker 17: deploying more wind and solar onto the grid.
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Speaker 14: And you're right, it's complicated.
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Speaker 17: But we do the best we can to explain why
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Speaker 17: what people are being told is so far from the
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Speaker 17: tree of what's going to happen. But then again, Peter,
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Speaker 17: they can see it written in their bills. Everyone now
42:04
Speaker 17: knows that this is a fraud. We just need to
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Speaker 17: help to explain why it is.
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Speaker 2: I think that's why Chris went When the government gets
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Speaker 2: out there and says wholesale power prices have come down.
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Speaker 5: And you've just explained that very clearly.
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Speaker 2: I think for people at home they call bs on
42:21
Speaker 2: that in terms of what they're paying because they're getting
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Speaker 2: the bill. I mean, this is a test for the
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Speaker 2: government every time the bill arrives. Is what people are
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Speaker 2: seeing in their homes come by the post matching the
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Speaker 2: rector coming out of camber, and clearly it's not.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 17: And the other thing too is the things that are
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Speaker 17: said are actually childish when you listen to things like
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Speaker 17: the wind and sun is free. Sure it is, of course,
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Speaker 17: you go outside and you can have the wind blow
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Speaker 17: on your hair and you have the sunshine. But you've
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Speaker 17: got to turn it into electricity. That's not free. You've
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Speaker 17: got to transmit it.
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Speaker 14: That's not free. You've got to go through the distribution system.
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Speaker 14: That's not free. So that's a complete nonsense.
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Speaker 17: And the other thing that gets said is, oh, we'll
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Speaker 17: just store it into California. They have eleven gigawatts of
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Speaker 17: grid scale storage in California. They're four our lithium ion batteries.
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Speaker 14: They are nowhere near.
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Speaker 17: Scale for running a city, and they're not going to
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Speaker 17: be any time in the near future. And by the way,
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Speaker 17: all this is happening, and we've got some of the
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Speaker 17: best people in the United States talking about this, as
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Speaker 17: I say, people who run and regulate systems at a
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Speaker 17: time when in the United States now they are seeing
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Speaker 17: demands for one and a half.
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Speaker 14: Gigawatts of power. To give you an idea what that is.
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Speaker 17: That is a city the size of San Francisco in
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Speaker 17: one data center, which is why Microsoft has just reopened
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Speaker 17: three Mile Island in the United States because it wants
43:37
Speaker 17: to run a data center. They're the kinds of loads
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Speaker 17: that you're going to be seeing. And Australia doesn't want
43:41
Speaker 17: to be in this game. That Australia can be out
43:44
Speaker 17: of it, but the rest of the world is starting
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Speaker 17: now to get back into nuclear energy because it knows
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Speaker 17: the kinds of demands that will be put on the
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Speaker 17: system in future, and renewable energy, wind and solar energy
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Speaker 17: will not cut it when it comes to that.
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Speaker 2: Brilliant Chris, I cannot wait to see it. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us tonight and thanks for the exclusive sneak peak.
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44:21
Speaker 2: hysterical reaction to Trump's Madison Square rally. Let's try and
44:26
Speaker 2: draw at some try and draw parallels with a pro
44:29
Speaker 2: Nazi rally over eighty years ago. Bos Kamala Harris struggling
44:33
Speaker 2: to connect with mail voters. How decisive will the gender
44:37
Speaker 2: gap proves? All right, US election, Let's bring in my
44:44
Speaker 2: panel Sky News contributed Koshergada past Yair of Parliament's Foreign
44:48
Speaker 2: Affairs Defense Committee, Michael Danby Well final stretches like at
44:52
Speaker 2: elephants gestation, isn't it two plus years or something?
44:55
Speaker 5: To get? Next weekends?
44:56
Speaker 2: Election Day on Tuesday their time obviously Wednesday. Our Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump leading Kamala Harris in the Real Clear Politics average
45:04
Speaker 2: of national polls. Meanwhile, averages from five thirty eight have
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Speaker 2: Trump leading in the Sun Belt States. When it comes
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Speaker 2: to the Rust Belt States, Harris is only a head
45:16
Speaker 2: in Michigan. Gender amongst all those other poles too. One
45:20
Speaker 2: of the big splits is gender. We talk about Donald
45:23
Speaker 2: Trump's problem with women, but Gees Louise, She's got a
45:27
Speaker 2: big one.
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Speaker 18: With men, she does, so the battle of the sexist
45:30
Speaker 18: has been a feature increasingly since Trump entered the arena
45:33
Speaker 18: in the US, and it's no different this time. That's
45:35
Speaker 18: definitely gonna be one of the headlines coming out of
45:37
Speaker 18: the results next week. But the subheadlines are interesting. I think,
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Speaker 18: you know, as you mentioned, she is actually not doing
45:43
Speaker 18: better with women than Biden. That was one thing a
45:45
Speaker 18: lot of people hypothesize would happen that hasn't happened as
45:48
Speaker 18: the first female candid as.
45:49
Speaker 2: A surprise surprise that we don't vote for women candidate,
45:52
Speaker 2: just because.
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Speaker 18: They keep thinking. See it is in Sultan, they keep
45:55
Speaker 18: thinking it would happen. It didn't happen for Hillary. It
45:57
Speaker 18: didn't really happen for her. But the second thing is
45:59
Speaker 18: more into seeing where Trump has really been closing in
46:02
Speaker 18: and winning man and especially young man eighteen too, thirty
46:04
Speaker 18: four year olds in a way that hasn't happened. I
46:07
Speaker 18: think that's a function of him, but it's also function
46:09
Speaker 18: of just the culture where the pendulum has swung too much,
46:11
Speaker 18: maybe in the other direction against man, anti male, and
46:14
Speaker 18: there's a backlash brewing. So where this all nets out
46:17
Speaker 18: remains to be seen. But I think it is an
46:19
Speaker 18: interesting shift for.
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Speaker 19: The Republican Party has been giving you a lot of
46:22
Speaker 19: good advice about going on podcasts that appeal.
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Speaker 14: To young men.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting.
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Speaker 2: At the gym this morning, one of the guys who's
46:27
Speaker 2: absolutely not political said he listened to the entire three
46:30
Speaker 2: hour of Rogan podcast and Trump, which I thought was
46:34
Speaker 2: really interesting because I'm not particularly engaged person loves Rogan
46:38
Speaker 2: and said, I think Trump was better than I think
46:40
Speaker 2: it's twenty million.
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Speaker 19: Views Peter, than the stupid comedian who made an anti
46:45
Speaker 19: Latina joke at the beginning of the Medicine Square Garden rally,
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Speaker 19: Because I mean, the irony is that young or Latina
46:54
Speaker 19: men and young black men in the barbershop have like
46:59
Speaker 19: a twenty point difference from where they were previously. They
47:02
Speaker 19: may be the ones who win this election for him.
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Speaker 2: Did you think it was a pro nazi rally?
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Speaker 5: Did that come front of mind to someone?
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Speaker 14: Please?
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Speaker 19: It's just embarrassing. Not at the same place people were
47:13
Speaker 19: from all diverse backgrounds. Trump may be wrong, he may
47:17
Speaker 19: be vulgar. You can disagree with him, that's all normal,
47:20
Speaker 19: but you know, like calling everyone a Nazi, what it
47:23
Speaker 19: does is the values that that term and it makes
47:26
Speaker 19: people yawn.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
47:28
Speaker 2: And of course he made Jerusalem the capital of Israel,
47:31
Speaker 2: and he's quite.
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Speaker 19: Probable that are converted to Judaism. I mean, please, I mean,
47:37
Speaker 19: talk to me.
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Speaker 2: About Washington Post. This this frakka that's gone on with
47:40
Speaker 2: the newspaper.
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Speaker 5: What's happened.
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Speaker 18: So, for the first time in thirty plus years, Washington
47:45
Speaker 18: Post decided not to endorse anybody, which is kind of
47:48
Speaker 18: a veiled way of here. We're not endorsing Kamla because
47:51
Speaker 18: every single election they've always voilded or endorsed for the
47:53
Speaker 18: Democrat candidate. Right, And it doesn't really matter the interests
47:58
Speaker 18: of borders at this point because newspapers have diminished relevance
48:00
Speaker 18: and the swing state voter worrying about their economic conditions.
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Speaker 9: That really care about Washington Center til Board.
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Speaker 18: But where it is significant is the symbolism of it
48:08
Speaker 18: because it's owned by Jeff Bezos. He had tangled with
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Speaker 18: Trump in the past during the administration. But for him
48:12
Speaker 18: to do this, whether it's a preference cascade emanating out
48:16
Speaker 18: of Elon Musk joining up with him and other billionaires
48:19
Speaker 18: in Silicon Valley are breaking free of the mole that
48:21
Speaker 18: they've been captured by on the left, or whether it's
48:24
Speaker 18: something else that he sees the writing on the wall,
48:26
Speaker 18: possibly about the rets next week.
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Speaker 19: It's interesting he's trying to get out from under. I
48:31
Speaker 19: think he couldn't be out as sir Trump's going to
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Speaker 19: win and he doesn't want to have a fight with
48:36
Speaker 19: him if he is president.
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Speaker 9: Could be self preservation. He's in the space race.
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Speaker 18: Blue Origin is one of his companies versus Elon Musk's one,
48:44
Speaker 18: So who knows.
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Speaker 9: There's many things, but it's a big deal for that.
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Speaker 2: Do you think we're going to say more of that
48:47
Speaker 2: in the next couple of days before Tuesday? More people
48:50
Speaker 2: sort of hate their bets thinking that Trump might get there.
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Speaker 19: I think that's happening, But the key thing is what's
48:57
Speaker 19: happening in the swing state. The interesting thing for me
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Speaker 19: is that the young black men and young Latina men,
49:05
Speaker 19: and I think also the fact that they are more
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Speaker 19: Republicans registered and more Republicans doing early voting. I still
49:13
Speaker 19: think the Democrats have a good shot in Pennsylvania. The
49:16
Speaker 19: question is can you win sufficient electoral College votes to
49:20
Speaker 19: win the presidency without Pennsylvania just quickly.
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Speaker 5: It's not a feature of their system.
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Speaker 2: Early voting in postals long it is here, but we
49:26
Speaker 2: are seeing some pretty interesting early results.
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Speaker 18: They've pushed to do that, and Republicans have always avoided
49:32
Speaker 18: it and shunned it. This time they've really focused on it,
49:34
Speaker 18: and that is going to make a bigger difference, more
49:36
Speaker 18: than endorsements, more than the comedian, more than anything else,
49:39
Speaker 18: because Republicans are actually ahead in the.
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Speaker 9: Sun Belt States. Has never happened.
49:42
Speaker 18: That's a tectonic plate shift, and they're they're behind in Pennsylvania,
49:46
Speaker 18: but by less, So it's very interesting. If they win
49:49
Speaker 18: or at least lose by less in the early world category,
49:51
Speaker 18: they're coming into a very strong position because they typically
49:53
Speaker 18: do very well on election.
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Speaker 5: Okay, the clocks on me, Trump, Kamala Harris ESO.
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Speaker 19: Night who I think Trump is going to scrape in?
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Speaker 9: I think Trump will actually win by a bigger margin
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Speaker 9: than you think.
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Speaker 2: I think it's Trump too, I have to say. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: my mentions with him will see. That's it for me,
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Speaker 2: see tomorrow night up next.
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Speaker 5: Andrew Bolt