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A High Fiber Recap (The Golden Bachelorette Week Three) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. So the other week of the Golden Bachelorette.
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Speaker 1: This week we are here to break it down with
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Speaker 1: Ashley Ashley. Big week for the Golden bachelorre We get
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Speaker 1: some emotion, we get some honesty, we get some transparency,
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Speaker 1: we get what I would call Jones real big first
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Speaker 1: hurdle of the journey so far, and we get some
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Speaker 1: new love interests. Kind of sparking thoughts. Take it away
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Speaker 1: from the first part of this episode.
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Speaker 2: The first part, of course, they do their thing, their
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Speaker 2: new preview of the big moment of the episode, and
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Speaker 2: that is Joan saying that she's not one hundred percent
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Speaker 2: ready for love in her life because John, She's basically
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Speaker 2: not over it is never going to be over. And
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Speaker 2: this was also a big tease in the scenes from
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Speaker 2: the season. It actually ended up being, luckily and not
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Speaker 2: as big of a deal, I think as they made
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Speaker 2: it seem like it could be in those in that
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Speaker 2: big teaser. So because she gets kind of like gets
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Speaker 2: over it in this episode, you know, she moves on
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Speaker 2: and I think this is going to be the only time.
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Speaker 2: This is gonna be like the last time we hear
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Speaker 2: her worry about this.
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Speaker 1: It's very early on in the season. If this was
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Speaker 1: happening when there was two people.
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Speaker 2: Left, that's what they made it seem like initially.
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Speaker 1: But this is definitely just I think one of those
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Speaker 1: things that's true to her that we need to understand
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Speaker 1: about her, that we can a lot of people can
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Speaker 1: relate with about her. But this is not going to
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Speaker 1: be something that stops her journey from continuing. I think
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Speaker 1: we know that for you know a fact.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, do we talk about the rest of the
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Speaker 2: conversation that she had with the men there or do
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Speaker 2: we get there when we get there.
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Speaker 1: We'll get there when we get there. Let's kick it
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Speaker 1: off with this really fun scene where we see the
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Speaker 1: guys in our acting in the house. I think this
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Speaker 1: is right now. One of the best parts of The
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Speaker 1: Golden Show is seeing the men and how they interact
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Speaker 1: with each other. They're supportive, they care for each other.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they like it. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they love doing Pascal's like laundry and cooking dram
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Speaker 1: but they're doing it, and I think that is such
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Speaker 1: really a really fun thing to watch. Charles says it best.
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Speaker 1: It's summer or I think Chalk actually said it, it's
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Speaker 1: summer camp. This looks like summer camp, and it's I
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Speaker 1: think it probably has a very unique vibe compared to
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Speaker 1: even The Bachelorette.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the guys are complaining about lack of sleep that
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Speaker 2: they have, and I've noticed that a lot of these
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Speaker 2: dates are ending when it's still light outside, and so
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if they are catering the timeline of the
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Speaker 2: day to the older crowd, because you and I were
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Speaker 2: used to having dates that would absolutely go to one
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Speaker 2: or two am, and rose ceremony is gould go that late,
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Speaker 2: But two of these dates ended during daylight.
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Speaker 1: They've had to cater this for these guys. I think
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Speaker 1: it would make a lot of sense for them too.
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Speaker 1: Do they really want guys not like being at their best,
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Speaker 1: being yeah, being grumpy, being tired, not having any energy
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Speaker 1: and quite honestly, the dates so far have been fairly
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Speaker 1: high intensity. I mean, especially this first group date during
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Speaker 1: this season. There's like a lot of energy that's got
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Speaker 1: to put out in this. I appreciate the show for
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Speaker 1: recognizing who they have and saying, yeah, you know what, like,
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Speaker 1: let's take it easy on these guys.
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Speaker 2: I know. I think they're also taking it easy on Joan.
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Speaker 2: I even thought that maybe one of these group dates
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Speaker 2: would The group date was cut short because she was
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Speaker 2: upset about her mom being at home and sec I
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Speaker 2: feel really bad for her for having that way on
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Speaker 2: her during this episode, but luckily she ends up feeling
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Speaker 2: her mom is back home feeling better, so by the
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Speaker 2: end of the episode, Okay, but yeah, let's talk about
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Speaker 2: Pascal for a second, because he's so funny in the
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Speaker 2: opening segment when he's talking about, you know, not being
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Speaker 2: used to doing any sort of chores around the house,
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Speaker 2: really like taking care of himself to a certain degree,
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Speaker 2: and I'm thinking that he's just going to be this
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Speaker 2: fun character, right, and he's never gonna be taken seriously
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Speaker 2: by Joan. And then I'm surprised to see that he
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Speaker 2: has the first one on one of the week, and
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, okay, so this is going to be
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Speaker 2: I think the first Golden episode in which somebody is
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Speaker 2: eliminated on the date. I just did not foresee them clicking,
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Speaker 2: and they did. They had a great time. I don't
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Speaker 2: think that he's gonna get super duper far, but enough
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Speaker 2: to get through for this week and for her to
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Speaker 2: just enjoy his company.
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Speaker 1: I was actually very I was with you. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I ever thought, oh, I just never go
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Speaker 1: into a one on one thinking this guy's getting sent
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Speaker 1: at home or this.
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Speaker 2: Really I do all the time, and then I'm a
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Speaker 2: wrong at least seventy five percent of the time.
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Speaker 1: My reasoning is, I just don't think it happens that much.
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Speaker 1: It's very rare for it to happen, so I just
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Speaker 1: never expect it, and if it does happen, it typically
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Speaker 1: feels like a very monumental moment, and in a sense,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to it feels like coming like when
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Speaker 1: I was on the show. If I was going to
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Speaker 1: have a one on one with somebody that had even
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Speaker 1: the potential to go home, especially early on, it would
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Speaker 1: be a waste of a one on one. So I
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Speaker 1: don't see that happening, because wasting those one on ones,
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Speaker 1: especially on the Golden Show that's expedited already, would feel
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Speaker 1: very impactful and also, just like I said, a waste
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Speaker 1: of time.
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Speaker 2: That's very interesting that you say, that's that's a strategy
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Speaker 2: that yeah, the lead should take into consideration. Don't waste
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Speaker 2: a one.
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Speaker 1: On one so this early, I just didn't think it,
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Speaker 1: but I was surprised to see him be the one
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Speaker 1: to go. I did not know what their connection would
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Speaker 1: look like. He's fun, He's really fun. He has a
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Speaker 1: lot of energy. The dude still is pretty ripped for
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Speaker 1: being however old he is sixty nine or something. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy on the older guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they're on the day and it's like
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Speaker 2: they go to the ultimate place for him, Vegas, and
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Speaker 2: it was very adorable. You could tell he was like,
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Speaker 2: thank you, Joan, thank you for picking me for this date. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The only part that I thought was a little weird.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me way Newton looking.
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Speaker 2: No, I love well, Okay, he's been on many episodes before, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been on many episodes.
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Speaker 2: His face is just timeless.
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Speaker 1: It was a little wild that they went to the
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Speaker 1: Paris hotel when Pascal's from France, Like, it's it's like
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Speaker 1: going I guess to me, it felt like a little
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Speaker 1: bit he has to be looking at everything being like
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Speaker 1: this is hilarious that you're remaking this.
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Speaker 2: Definitely tongue and cheek, But do you think that they
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Speaker 2: really revolve the date planning around him, because normally the
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Speaker 2: dates are really planned in advance. They would have just
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Speaker 2: been lucky to have their set have been agreed upon
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Speaker 2: as being the Paris Hotel and then end up Cassie
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Speaker 2: a guy from Paris, and then her liking him enough
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Speaker 2: to invite him to it.
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Speaker 1: Typically how I mean it worked back then. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it still does today. But when you get
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Speaker 1: started on the week, let's say the week starts on
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Speaker 1: a Monday, just keep it easy. On Sunday evening, you'd
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Speaker 1: meet with the producers and they would you'd say, okay,
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Speaker 1: what dates are this week? And they'd be like, it's
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Speaker 1: kickball and it's a trip to Vegas and going to
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Speaker 1: the Paris Hotel. And then maybe they wouldn't tell you everything,
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Speaker 1: like the Wayne Newton thing. I wouldn't be surprised if
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Speaker 1: it was a surprise to Joan, but they'd be like,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go and you're gonna get dressed up, You're
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Speaker 1: gonna have a Philly fancy dinner. Would tell you that
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Speaker 1: to be the week, Like who do you want to
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Speaker 1: bring on the one on ones because it's you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously whoever doesn't go to the one ones going on
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Speaker 1: group day, and you'd be like, she probably heard this
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Speaker 1: and said said, Pascal will be perfect for this date
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Speaker 1: to Vegas. Yeah, like I want to bring him. And
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Speaker 1: the Paris Hotel has just been a coincidence kind of.
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Speaker 1: She would have known that's where they are going, so
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Speaker 1: she probably said.
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Speaker 2: This is too funny not to bring him. Yeah, this
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Speaker 2: would be funny.
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Speaker 1: And maybe she's like, I want to know if this
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Speaker 1: is anything like Paris, because maybe she's never been to Paris.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's how it used to work. You
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Speaker 1: would just try to pick people that you thought would
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Speaker 1: enjoy the date, would find it fun, maybe that you
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Speaker 1: knew a little bit about them so that you could
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Speaker 1: match a date with what they cared about, or just
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Speaker 1: somebody you haven't been on a date with would also
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Speaker 1: be another choice. But right now she has a lot
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Speaker 1: of people that she could choose. She chose Pascal. I
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Speaker 1: thought it was great. Their connection is deeper than I expected.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think, especially when you get to the
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Speaker 1: evening portion, I do think there is a connection there.
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Speaker 1: I do think he brings out a really lively side
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Speaker 1: to her. And you know what, he just like all
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Speaker 1: these people, he has a story to tell, and Joan
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Speaker 1: at this point, as a lead, you start to get
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Speaker 1: really tired because you're not emotionally, I think, trained to
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Speaker 1: hear all of these stories back to back to back
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Speaker 1: to back and carry the weight of them like you.
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Speaker 2: Want to care basically a therapist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's doing a tremendous job at it. She's
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Speaker 1: asking questions. You can tell she's engaged. As Charles says,
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Speaker 1: she's a great listener. She's really good at this role,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's a really fun thing to see
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Speaker 1: her do. She made it comment to Gary skipping forward
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but she made it comment to Gary Gary.
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Speaker 2: At which Gary, because that we had Bachelor Gary as well.
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Speaker 1: Bachelor Gary, Bachelor Gary, the former Golden She makes a
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Speaker 1: comment to him that I thought was so untrue. She said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not good at giving them responses back like you were.
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Speaker 1: I think she said something like filling up that extra
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Speaker 1: space afterwards, like giving them what you know, something too,
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's so wrong. Joan is doing exactly
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Speaker 1: that she might not even mean to, but she's doing
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Speaker 1: it just by being herself.
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Speaker 2: She must have thought that she could elaborate and she
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Speaker 2: was holding back and she was just giving them bits
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Speaker 2: and not the whole thing. Yeah, well, you know what
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Speaker 2: you just said that, like you're feeling connection and stuff.
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Speaker 2: I have to admit, I'm not sure that I'm feeling
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Speaker 2: romantic connection. I am feeling connection like human being to
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Speaker 2: human being. I'm feeling that she appreciates these guys, but
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Speaker 2: I don't feel like she's like, I want to jump
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Speaker 2: into these guys bones. It may be just the way
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Speaker 2: your body language is as you get older, or just
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Speaker 2: like how your demeanor is as you get older, but
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Speaker 2: I haven't picked up on like a ton of romantic
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Speaker 2: attraction from her to the guys.
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Speaker 1: I think it will come. I think the same thing
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Speaker 1: would be said about Gary Season for her baby.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think it's you know, at the initial part of this,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot happening. There's a lot of relationships to navigate.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't know all these guys great honestly yet. And
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Speaker 1: I think as we get further along and there is
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Speaker 1: less people and there is more private time, then we'll
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Speaker 1: see Joan and the guys maybe connect more physically. But
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Speaker 1: even with Gary Season, it wasn't really until in my memory,
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Speaker 1: the fantasy suites were like, oh, they're getting it. On, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we saw them in bed together and they're making you know,
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Speaker 1: in the windows about their time together. M I just
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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's a it feels appropriate. I
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Speaker 1: think it would. It's maybe it feels a little bit
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Speaker 1: inappropriate to make those physical connections too early on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of goes back to what I was Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it just kind of goes back to what I was
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Speaker 2: saying last week about the kisses. I'm like, the kisses
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Speaker 2: are like friendly, they don't feel like they're hot. Just wait, okay,
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Speaker 2: So anyway, we like the past wild day. He ends
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Speaker 2: up Pascal, he ends up getting the rose, and he
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Speaker 2: shares a story about how he came from nothing and
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Speaker 2: now he lives life up. He got the Cinderella date
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Speaker 2: and he basically lives life like and he basically kind
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Speaker 2: of has a sort of Cinderella like story. His dad
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Speaker 2: actually with a shoe. Oh my gosh, look at all
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Speaker 2: these references. His dad with a shoe before he moved
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Speaker 2: to America, fixed a shoe with a piece of cardboard.
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Speaker 2: And he was like, when you make enough money to
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Speaker 2: buy your buy your parent, you have this live with
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Speaker 2: this cardboard shoe until you have enough money to buy
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Speaker 2: your own.
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine all the things that he learned in
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Speaker 1: that season of life, his grit, his determination, his ability
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Speaker 1: to ask for help, his ability to connect with others.
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Speaker 1: It's really incredible to hear his story and then see
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Speaker 1: where he's at today. He's on national television flying. However
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Speaker 1: they flew to Vegas. It was private? Was it private? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: It was private?
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Speaker 1: Good for them. I never got a private jet. I
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Speaker 1: would love the private jet.
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Speaker 2: He said that he came to America without speaking any English.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to know more about Pascal Pascal for sure,
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Speaker 2: because I wanted to know, like how that evolution America
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Speaker 2: happened for him to be such a successful businessman. And
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Speaker 2: I wanted to know about his previous relationship. I think
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Speaker 2: he was married, he has a son, so there's other
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Speaker 2: things to uncover there. But I do like the fact
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Speaker 2: that we've been getting dates where it's like, no, I
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Speaker 2: want more, I want more, but like not in a
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Speaker 2: bad way, like we're not getting enough, but like their
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Speaker 2: stories are so good that we want to hear we
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Speaker 2: want to learn more about them.
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Speaker 1: Is that a good feeling? Isn't that just such a
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Speaker 1: good part of this show? Well as they're on the date.
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Speaker 1: We get a flashback to Los Angeles where some of
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Speaker 1: the guys have taken it into their hands to try
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Speaker 1: to help the men sleep better. That's a big storyline
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of this episode, because the men aren't sleeping.
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Speaker 1: A lot of that is because of the snoring, the shifting,
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Speaker 1: the noises at night, people getting up and moving around.
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing if they're like most men and women in
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Speaker 1: their sixties that I know that you know, somebody's waking
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Speaker 1: up at four am ready to go with the day,
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Speaker 1: and then they're sitting there on the couch, probably wondering
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Speaker 1: what in the world to do with themselves the next
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Speaker 1: three hours until you know, the television crew shows up.
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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of changes in their life right now,
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Speaker 1: changes the way they haven't had experience in the last,
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Speaker 1: you know, fifty years. This is a big change to them.
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Speaker 1: So some of the men do go to the store
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Speaker 1: to buy snuggies and blankets and i'masks and ear plugs.
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Speaker 1: All these things are are just funny. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a good bit, but I also find it to be
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Speaker 1: very helpful. Probably earplugs are the most helpful.
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Speaker 2: I could not have God gotten any good sleep in
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Speaker 2: the Bachelor Manager or in Paradise or anything like that
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Speaker 2: without ear plugs in an I'm ask always had that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a smart thing to do. I remember sleeping
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Speaker 1: with earplugs and I never sleep with earplugs. I think
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Speaker 1: it would be very, very important. We also see at
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Speaker 1: this time a really sweet scene with somebody that I've
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Speaker 1: picked as one of my top guys from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: I want to continue to remind you of this, Charles. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Guy has always been up there for me. You have
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Speaker 1: doubted this, and I stick by it. You see this episode.
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Speaker 1: There's a couple things I want to point out to
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Speaker 1: you about Guy Gott in Early Rose that I think
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Speaker 1: will stand out later on in the season. But the
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Speaker 1: Charles and Guys scene is a really special scene because
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Speaker 1: Charles and Guy are sitting on the couch. Guys obviously
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Speaker 1: an er doctor speaking with Charles about how his wife
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Speaker 1: has passed away. Charles explains the story, and we've loved Charles.
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Speaker 1: Charles is a main character. He will be a main
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Speaker 1: character or a character for the rest of the season
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Speaker 1: until he is either let go or he is with
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Speaker 1: Joan at the end. He is a sweet man, he
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Speaker 1: is loving these moments so much, but he sees an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to ask a doctor about his wife and this
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Speaker 1: question that he's been holding on to, this question of
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Speaker 1: what else could I have done in the moment of
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Speaker 1: my wife's brain aneurism, And he says, why was there
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Speaker 1: blood coming out of her mouth? And for me, these
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Speaker 1: are the special moments of the show. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what Guy, I don't know what Charles's surroundings are like
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Speaker 1: when he goes back home. I don't know his friendships
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Speaker 1: back home. I don't know what his family dynamics necessarily, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever felt comfortable enough to
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Speaker 1: take the time to ask somebody that would be in
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Speaker 1: the know, why was my wife's mouth bleeding? Fell Hagan. Ever,
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Speaker 1: so he asked Guy, and Guy tells him and truth
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Speaker 1: and honesty. Hey, I bet she bet her tongue when
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Speaker 1: she fell. That's probably not something that Charles wanted to hear.
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Speaker 1: But what it did do was Guy followed that up
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Speaker 1: with like, you need to stop asking yourself what you
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Speaker 1: could have done. And I think for hopefully for Charles,
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Speaker 1: that was a pivotal moment. So many of us that
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Speaker 1: come off this show have those moments that are pivotal
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Speaker 1: to us. They stand out to us as they've changed
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Speaker 1: the course or direction of our lives from that point forward.
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Speaker 1: We come into it with all this stuff. These guys
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Speaker 1: definitely come into it with a lot of stuff and
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Speaker 1: a lot of years of stuff. And this show because
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Speaker 1: it slows us down, because it takes away distraction, because
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Speaker 1: it takes away all the things that we're used to
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Speaker 1: in our daily lives. Every once in a while there's
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Speaker 1: a moment that says, no, things will never be the same,
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Speaker 1: and I think this might be one of those moments
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Speaker 1: for Charles.
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Speaker 2: He basically admits to that he's like, I will be
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Speaker 2: leaving here basically feeling a little bit more closure, a
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Speaker 2: little bit better about life, maybe being able to move
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Speaker 2: on a little bit more. It was really really special.
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Speaker 2: I have like nothing else to say other than like,
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Speaker 2: I'm just really happy for him for feeling better in
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Speaker 2: any way. He's just the cutest little man. He's so cute.
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Speaker 1: He's a great guy, and he's doing so well so
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Speaker 1: far this season. So that is example number one of
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Speaker 1: guy standing up to support somebody else.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sure, I mean certainly it was Charles shining
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Speaker 2: through all this. If there's a standout, if we're arguing this,
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Speaker 2: Charles is the one who's the main character here. But okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying who stood out more at all. But
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Speaker 2: he had a heroic moment in helping Sure.
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Speaker 1: And I just want to give you that example, and
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Speaker 1: then I'll give you example number two later on in
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Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, the group date comes up next. The
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Speaker 1: guys are gonna be playing kickball. They think they're gonna
18:42
Speaker 1: be playing flag football because Eric Dickerson and Andre Reid show
18:46
Speaker 1: up to the football field to give these guys a
18:49
Speaker 1: little pep talk to teach these guys a lesson. I'm thinking,
18:53
Speaker 1: in my mind, please don't make them play flag football.
18:56
Speaker 1: There's so many cutting, there's so much sprinting, there's so
18:59
Speaker 1: much opportuned for pain. I am worried at this point
19:03
Speaker 1: that these men are going to be stepping onto a
19:05
Speaker 1: football field against each other.
19:07
Speaker 2: Well, they don't they play a kickball game. Charles has
19:11
Speaker 2: never played a kickball game, which adds to him being
19:13
Speaker 2: just the most endearing so and it's sponsored by Quaker
19:18
Speaker 2: Oats and the imagery is everywhere. I want to know
19:22
Speaker 2: how much they paid them for this episode.
19:25
Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious. I think it is the perfect
19:29
Speaker 1: integration partnership.
19:30
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because they're talking about it being well it
19:33
Speaker 2: was protein, right, but when you think about oatmeal all
19:35
Speaker 2: often times you think about fiber. And when you think
19:37
Speaker 2: about fiber, you often think about older people. But we
19:41
Speaker 2: should all be having lots of fiber anyway.
19:44
Speaker 1: I love Keith like little commercial because I know they
19:47
Speaker 1: had him do this or they're like, hey, can you
19:49
Speaker 1: say this line first? He's like, oh, wake up in
19:51
Speaker 1: the morning with Quacker Oaks yum. Yeah, And I'm just
19:54
Speaker 1: like that's like, this is hilarious, Like I cannot believe
19:57
Speaker 1: they're making these dudes do this, but I love it.
19:59
Speaker 1: And it's a great integration. Integration it is.
20:01
Speaker 2: It's great. It's so funny and obvious that it's that
20:05
Speaker 2: we're like, yes, go for it, keep keep being creative
20:08
Speaker 2: like this all right. They are of course going to
20:12
Speaker 2: play a game, and whoever wins is going to have
20:15
Speaker 2: the extra time with Joan at the end. It is
20:19
Speaker 2: the it is the not Mark team that wins.
20:24
Speaker 1: It's the blue team that wins.
20:26
Speaker 2: The Blue team, the not marked team because Mark didn't
20:29
Speaker 2: have any moments in this episode. It was shocking.
20:33
Speaker 1: I'd even notice that.
20:35
Speaker 2: You didn't stop. Okay, So they have a mini cocktail
20:39
Speaker 2: party with the Blue team. Notable moments of course is
20:44
Speaker 2: that Charles talks to Joan about his wife's passing and
20:47
Speaker 2: how Guy was able to give him that closure. And
20:52
Speaker 2: then Gil Gil is here and Gil talks to her
20:58
Speaker 2: about how he adopted a daughter and she's only about
21:01
Speaker 2: to be seventeen, so like, yeah, he's like still in
21:03
Speaker 2: the midst of really raising her and she's at home,
21:07
Speaker 2: and we know that Gil is the guy that had
21:10
Speaker 2: a restraining order put on him between the time of
21:14
Speaker 2: the background check and casting weekend to the show starting
21:18
Speaker 2: to film, and they said that they were going to
21:20
Speaker 2: cut down on his scenes. I wonder how much of
21:23
Speaker 2: a role he really did play. If this is cutting
21:27
Speaker 2: down the scenes, he gets the group day ros.
21:30
Speaker 1: He does, which means he's around for one more week.
21:34
Speaker 1: I don't know, have we had any follow up information
21:37
Speaker 1: from that really senior order.
21:39
Speaker 2: It was just that a woman was complaining filed the
21:42
Speaker 2: restraint because he just wouldn't stop calling, texting, and like
21:45
Speaker 2: basically showing up at her house.
21:48
Speaker 1: Gil is definitely at this point a main character. He
21:50
Speaker 1: is on the show. He's getting first impression Roses, he's
21:54
Speaker 1: reading date cards. He he's exactly around And I don't know.
22:00
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess from the show's perspective, how do
22:02
Speaker 1: you cut out somebody reading a date card? And then
22:04
Speaker 1: also how do you cut out somebody getting You can't
22:08
Speaker 1: do that. You definitely can to show those and you
22:10
Speaker 1: have to show why. And so yeah, maybe they've cut
22:13
Speaker 1: out as much as they can at this point.
22:15
Speaker 2: I think they cut out some of their conversation because
22:18
Speaker 2: I felt like her conversation with Charles and Gary was
22:24
Speaker 2: more qualifying for a group day Rose. I think there
22:27
Speaker 2: was more substance that she had with the Gil conversation.
22:30
Speaker 2: Gary was so sweet during this group date date, this
22:35
Speaker 2: group date cocktail party because he asked Joan for her
22:40
Speaker 2: mom's name after she opened up to him about the
22:43
Speaker 2: fact that she wasn't feeling well at home, and then
22:46
Speaker 2: he said that he was going to pray for her,
22:48
Speaker 2: and they talked about they bonded over the power of prayer,
22:51
Speaker 2: and then Gary shows up later in the week with
22:55
Speaker 2: a written, framed prayer for her mom. It was so sweet.
23:02
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is this is so special.
23:06
Speaker 1: Just because we have no clue how this ends. There's
23:08
Speaker 1: so many guys from this season that will have no
23:12
Speaker 1: problem finding a partner if they want one after this
23:17
Speaker 1: thing's done. Gary being one of those. Yeah, I think
23:20
Speaker 1: Jonathan being one of those. Right, Jonathan's emotional, we'll talk
23:23
Speaker 1: about that, but they're Charles Goodness. Like, there's so many
23:26
Speaker 1: guys here that I'm like, there's all these people watching going,
23:30
Speaker 1: you need to date my mom, Like you need to
23:32
Speaker 1: date my mom, Please date my mom. And Gary consistently
23:36
Speaker 1: now has been every week. Like I want to know
23:40
Speaker 1: more about him. I want him to have one on
23:42
Speaker 1: one because there is a an aura some his energy.
23:50
Speaker 1: I don't use that term very often. I don't even
23:52
Speaker 1: know what that fully means, but like his presence is
23:57
Speaker 1: one that just makes you go, this is a guy
24:00
Speaker 1: I need to be around personally and I want anybody
24:03
Speaker 1: else to be around. He just has that factor. He cares.
24:07
Speaker 1: He's super pretty bad too.
24:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so sweet.
24:10
Speaker 1: You did mention that, you know, Joan does get the
24:15
Speaker 1: phone call that her mom is sick. That Joan is
24:19
Speaker 1: very distraught about this. She's anxious about it. It's on
24:22
Speaker 1: her mind. That is a very hard thing to do
24:25
Speaker 1: when you're on this show, because you were leaving it
24:27
Speaker 1: up to a producer to keep in contact. And I'm
24:30
Speaker 1: guessing at this point, I think Joan even says it.
24:32
Speaker 1: Joan is her mom's main caregiver, and so as a result,
24:36
Speaker 1: the main caregiver is gone. Who's answering the questions on
24:39
Speaker 1: Jon's behalf. I I love Joan's passion for her family.
24:45
Speaker 1: It's obvious, right, I mean, at this point, if her
24:47
Speaker 1: mom was to say, Joan, you need to come home,
24:49
Speaker 1: I think Joan drops everything and comes home without a question.
24:52
Speaker 1: But don't even think it's an issue with her. I
24:55
Speaker 1: was just hoping that, like two seasons in a row
24:58
Speaker 1: for Joan, Joan wouldn't have to leave. Really, I mean,
25:01
Speaker 1: it'd be hard. She's she's our bachelorette, Like, it'd be
25:03
Speaker 1: hard for her to leave. The show would obviously pause
25:06
Speaker 1: for her to leave. But I was just going, can
25:08
Speaker 1: jone catch a break here? I can just go through
25:11
Speaker 1: this thing without something else under her mind?
25:14
Speaker 2: I know. So it was so we're living to hear
25:16
Speaker 2: later in the week that she was okay. Definitely she
25:19
Speaker 2: was improving. This brings up the big moment at the mansion.
25:23
Speaker 2: So as this group data is winding to a close,
25:26
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Gil does get the rose. We get
25:29
Speaker 2: to see then.
25:32
Speaker 1: Kind of the after effects of the kickball game, lustily,
25:35
Speaker 1: nobody got seriously hurt. I thought it was awesome to watch.
25:37
Speaker 1: I thought these guys did a great job. We see
25:40
Speaker 1: massages going on.
25:42
Speaker 2: Uh.
25:42
Speaker 1: We also see this moment which brings me to my
25:44
Speaker 1: moment with Guy, where Captain Kim is writing a song
25:49
Speaker 1: for Joan.
25:51
Speaker 2: Oh, this is the other moment, Ben, You're right, Guy
25:55
Speaker 2: really pulled through in this episode.
25:58
Speaker 1: He has been pulling through. You noticed it.
26:00
Speaker 2: He's so under the radar with his little moments.
26:03
Speaker 1: But Captain Kim obviously cares a lot about music. He's
26:07
Speaker 1: singing at the beginning, he's writing a song for Joan. Now,
26:10
Speaker 1: I was with the guys when I saw Captain Kim
26:14
Speaker 1: doing this and and then almost pushing it on the
26:17
Speaker 1: guys to do with him, like, Hey, this is my idea.
26:19
Speaker 1: We're gonna do that. There's no question of do you
26:21
Speaker 1: guys want to do this? Would this be a good
26:23
Speaker 1: idea for you? Who's in, who's out? It was, We're
26:25
Speaker 1: gonna do this. This is gonna be great. Everybody come
26:28
Speaker 1: to the living room, everybody do this song eyes with
26:30
Speaker 1: Captain or eyes with the guys, and I was like,
26:32
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do that, Like this doesn't feel
26:34
Speaker 1: like me.
26:35
Speaker 2: It reminds me of when the guys were singing that
26:39
Speaker 2: song up to Jojo during her season and it was
26:43
Speaker 2: the corniest thing of all time. And then Chad was like,
26:46
Speaker 2: I'm not singing about of the girl that I just met.
26:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and like I don't have any game, but
26:53
Speaker 1: singing to a girl would definitely be like lowering my game,
26:57
Speaker 1: Like it just does like for the any game I
26:59
Speaker 1: do you have, Singing is not something that impresses anybody,
27:03
Speaker 1: nor do I feel comfortable doing it.
27:05
Speaker 2: Dancing, on the other hand, dancing will win you over sexually.
27:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get any You just asked Jess when
27:13
Speaker 1: I come in and step with my hips, she goes,
27:15
Speaker 1: let's go, and so it is. It was an awkward
27:21
Speaker 1: thing to request. I get why the guys did it.
27:23
Speaker 1: I do think Gary did a tremendous job again, of
27:27
Speaker 1: because they could have just said, Kim, we're not doing this,
27:30
Speaker 1: like this is stupid, like we don't feel comfortable doing this.
27:33
Speaker 1: You noticed Gary's maturity, also his wisdom and his ability
27:37
Speaker 1: to negotiate. In this moment where he tells Captain Kim, hey,
27:41
Speaker 1: this is a song you wrote for her. This isn't
27:43
Speaker 1: a song I wrote for her. You should be the
27:45
Speaker 1: one singing is to her, mostly in a nice way,
27:47
Speaker 1: telling Captain Kim, hey, dude, not in for this. This
27:52
Speaker 1: isn't my thing. But one guy does stand out and
27:56
Speaker 1: do it with Captain Kim. One guy out of all
27:58
Speaker 1: of them, one guy falls on the sword for everybody
28:01
Speaker 1: else and for this person who's obviously cared a lot
28:06
Speaker 1: about this song, it's guy.
28:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very sweet, very sweet. I don't know how,
28:13
Speaker 2: we don't know how it went down that he decided
28:16
Speaker 2: to do it with him, but he did it, and
28:20
Speaker 2: it was super kind because the way that kid wrote
28:23
Speaker 2: that song, he couldn't exactly deliver it without another man
28:27
Speaker 2: next to him.
28:27
Speaker 1: No, So second moment where guy does something for somebody
28:42
Speaker 1: else and I just think this dude's around a while.
28:45
Speaker 1: I see it happening, Ashley, I'm sticking with it. Well,
28:49
Speaker 1: let's transition into the final one on one of the episode,
28:52
Speaker 1: because we kind of jumped ahead there with the singing.
28:55
Speaker 1: We see the group dates get obviously told, and we
28:58
Speaker 1: obviously at that point know that John's going to get
29:00
Speaker 1: the one on one. We see emotion out of Jonathan
29:03
Speaker 1: leading up to this one on one Ashlely, what were
29:05
Speaker 1: your thoughts on it?
29:05
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So Jonathan is really nervous, because he said
29:09
Speaker 2: that he was because he knows that a one on
29:12
Speaker 2: one date is going to put a lot of pressure
29:15
Speaker 2: on him, that he's going to have to open up,
29:18
Speaker 2: reveal himself, and he was kind of hoping for the
29:20
Speaker 2: group date so he can kind of like hold back
29:22
Speaker 2: a little bit. And I totally related to this. The
29:26
Speaker 2: first few weeks of the Bachelor season, I didn't really
29:28
Speaker 2: want to have one on one either because I just
29:31
Speaker 2: was like, oh, spotlight on me, me having to be vulnerable.
29:34
Speaker 2: I'm so not ready for this. Let me at least
29:36
Speaker 2: warm up to this guy. And really I almost felt
29:41
Speaker 2: that sense every single week because like, not only is
29:45
Speaker 2: it your first real first date with somebody's and it's
29:48
Speaker 2: a very long date. It's like a nine hour first date,
29:53
Speaker 2: it's also on camera, so it is very there's this
29:57
Speaker 2: more pressure on that date than really any other date
29:59
Speaker 2: you've probably ever been. So I totally understand why he's
30:02
Speaker 2: so nervous. They go horseback riding, and Joan basically is
30:09
Speaker 2: talking about how she feels like she's not being vulnerable
30:13
Speaker 2: enough with Jonathan, with the men in the background of
30:17
Speaker 2: this date. She never addresses it to him. She says
30:20
Speaker 2: that she feels like she's always been the caretaker. She's
30:23
Speaker 2: always had to, like, you know, have the strong front,
30:26
Speaker 2: and now she's going to have to, you know, at
30:29
Speaker 2: some point she's gonna have to like go on this.
30:31
Speaker 2: But she's noticing things around her. She's noticing these hawks
30:35
Speaker 2: are flying around on her day, and the hawk is
30:38
Speaker 2: what her family thought was like kind of the symbol
30:41
Speaker 2: for her husband, because her kids were seeing hawks around
30:46
Speaker 2: them when right after he passed. So I'm thinking like
30:52
Speaker 2: there was a turn of events when she said, like,
30:54
Speaker 2: we're seeing hawks and I'm thinking about my husband. I
30:59
Speaker 2: thought she was going to to say, this isn't him
31:01
Speaker 2: bringing Jonathan to me. I thought it was gonna be
31:05
Speaker 2: like this touching, spiritual thing, but actually it was she
31:10
Speaker 2: interpreted it differently. She interpreted it like it's time for
31:14
Speaker 2: me to like kind of let go and be vulnerable.
31:18
Speaker 1: It's a big moment for Joan and I think it's
31:21
Speaker 1: a big moment for the rest of this season. She
31:24
Speaker 1: I think, at this point in time, had a lot
31:26
Speaker 1: of questions about what her role was here and how
31:29
Speaker 1: she was going to do it well. And maybe, as
31:31
Speaker 1: you mentioned the beginning, you're early on in this process,
31:33
Speaker 1: she might be asking herself, are any of these guys
31:35
Speaker 1: really for me? Like, none of these guys are making
31:38
Speaker 1: me feel anything close yet to what my late husband
31:41
Speaker 1: made me feel.
31:42
Speaker 2: I was expecting her to feel that though with Jonathan,
31:45
Speaker 2: and she didn't say anything like of the sort.
31:49
Speaker 1: She didn't. She didn't, and this day I do think
31:52
Speaker 1: maybe came about maybe a little early for Jonathan. I
31:55
Speaker 1: think Jonathan he felt like he was enjoying his time.
32:01
Speaker 1: He was crushing it at the house. He's really doing
32:04
Speaker 1: well with Joan. As you mentioned, this is a big moment.
32:07
Speaker 1: You get a one on one. It's not make or break,
32:09
Speaker 1: but it is definitely a make or go home. And
32:13
Speaker 1: Jonathan says something that I'm worried I'm gonna leave here
32:16
Speaker 1: alone again because once I leave here, I'm gonna be
32:19
Speaker 1: a loone. This is a very vulnerable moment for Jonathan.
32:24
Speaker 1: I think we're getting a glimpse into this really handsome,
32:28
Speaker 1: really confident, fun guy, and we're seeing what his insecurity is,
32:32
Speaker 1: which is this loneliness thing he has going on. Again,
32:37
Speaker 1: I will say this, if Jonathan were to go home
32:39
Speaker 1: from this one on one, which he didn't, you would
32:42
Speaker 1: have no problem looking into his DMS and seeing a
32:45
Speaker 1: bunch of people say you should date my mom.
32:48
Speaker 2: He might have no problem becoming the next bat Golden Bachelor.
32:52
Speaker 2: I still think that that's being reserved remark. But holy moly,
32:54
Speaker 2: is Jonathan a close second there? Now. Listen, Jonathan is
33:00
Speaker 2: not just worried about what you said. He's also about,
33:03
Speaker 2: you know, being alone after all this. He's worried about
33:06
Speaker 2: being surprised by the dumping because he was surprised by
33:11
Speaker 2: his wife just turning to him one morning, completely out
33:14
Speaker 2: of the blue and saying I want a divorce.
33:16
Speaker 1: Good point.
33:17
Speaker 2: So okay, then, Gary, Well, we already talked about how
33:22
Speaker 2: she sits down with the guys before the cocktail party
33:25
Speaker 2: and says, like, you know, I need to like really
33:29
Speaker 2: just be myself and let down this curtain with you guys.
33:33
Speaker 2: Gary comes here to give her a little pep talk
33:35
Speaker 2: about all that. I think it really was helpful sometimes
33:39
Speaker 2: I feel like these cameos from past contestants the you know,
33:44
Speaker 2: sometimes they are trivial, but this one I actually felt
33:46
Speaker 2: like she really needed it and it was cathartic.
33:49
Speaker 1: I think it's a good moment for Joan, and it's
33:52
Speaker 1: also a good reminder of where she came from and
33:55
Speaker 1: that if Gary can do it, she can do it too,
33:57
Speaker 1: and I think it was a great moment for her
33:59
Speaker 1: to move forward. It takes us to the very end
34:02
Speaker 1: of the episode where we have a few guys going home. Greg,
34:07
Speaker 1: c k and Kim are sent home. Any kind of surprises.
34:13
Speaker 2: There, No, I thought Kim was gonna get sent home
34:16
Speaker 2: song or not. Just didn't vibe that. And the biggest
34:21
Speaker 2: shocker towards the end of the episode for me is
34:24
Speaker 2: just as always scenes for the next episode, because it
34:28
Speaker 2: really looks like Chock is going home and Ben, we
34:31
Speaker 2: talked about Chock and what a front runner we thought
34:34
Speaker 2: he was last week, and damn, I really I left
34:38
Speaker 2: this episode thinking that he might be definitely like yeah,
34:44
Speaker 2: that he might be top three and then he leaves
34:47
Speaker 2: and it's kind of almost reminiscent of Joan leaving on
34:50
Speaker 2: Gary season because I think Joan could have gone basically
34:53
Speaker 2: that far as.
34:54
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, do you think it happens next episode? Though?
34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really make they make it seem it's next episode.
35:01
Speaker 2: And I don't think he would leave on his own
35:04
Speaker 2: unless it is also a family matter. So we'll see.
35:07
Speaker 2: There's one part of the Gary Bachelor convo that I
35:10
Speaker 2: do want to mention that I thought was significant. He
35:14
Speaker 2: said she said together that like, they're not looking for
35:18
Speaker 2: partners that they had. They're not looking for replacements. They're
35:21
Speaker 2: looking for like almost a totally different person because they're
35:26
Speaker 2: in such different places of their life now at this age,
35:29
Speaker 2: because they're not going to be raising kids at them,
35:31
Speaker 2: you know, they're not going to be going through their
35:33
Speaker 2: career with them.
35:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't find a replacement for the person of
35:39
Speaker 1: your past, but you can find something new, unless we
35:41
Speaker 1: hope for Joan. As she continues on with her journey,
35:44
Speaker 1: all right, to close out here, Ashley, I need your
35:46
Speaker 1: top three after this week?
35:49
Speaker 2: Well, can I put Chalk in it?
35:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can put whoever you want who's still there.
35:54
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it wouldn't. I wouldn't be very good
35:57
Speaker 2: at predicting things if I said Chuck would be in
36:01
Speaker 2: the top three, since they're basically telling us he's not
36:03
Speaker 2: gonna be there. Okay, I'm gonna still say John Mark and.
36:11
Speaker 1: Keith Okay, I'm going Mark Jonathan.
36:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said John Yeah. I met Jonathan by the way, said.
36:19
Speaker 1: John Jonathan and Guy. Guys gonna stick into it for me.
36:24
Speaker 1: He's writing this to the end. If I was a
36:27
Speaker 1: betting man, which sometimes I am in Vegas, I would
36:29
Speaker 1: put money on Guy. The odds have to be fantastic. Hey,
36:33
Speaker 1: until next week. I've been been, have.
36:35
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