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The Intersection of Passion and Business in Music · Music Explored Podcast

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  Know,
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  it's
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  a
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  head
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  to
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  heart
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  thing.
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  So
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  you.
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  You
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  absorb
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  through
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  learning
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  and
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  studying
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  music,
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  and
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  then
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  you.
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  You
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  make
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  it
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  part
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  of
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  you
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  and
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  then
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  you
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  perform
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  it.
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  But
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  songwriting
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  is
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  the
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  opposite.
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  It's
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  heart
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  to
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  head.
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  So
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  it's
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  like
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  you
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  get
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  inspired,
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  you
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  feel
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  something
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  and
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  you.
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  You
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  want
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  to,
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  you
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  know,
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  share
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  it
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  with
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  the
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  world
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  and.
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  And
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  then
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  you
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  learn
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  the
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  craft,
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  which
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  is
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  thinking
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  part
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  of
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  it.
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  So
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  when
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  I
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  discovered
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  songwriting,
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  I
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  was
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  hooked.
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  I
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  just.
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  And
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  when
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  I
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  performed
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  my
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  first
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  song,
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  I.
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  It
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  was
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  a
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  gift
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  for
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  my
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  cousin's
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  wedding,
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  which
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  I.
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  I
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  say
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  this
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  in
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  the
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  book
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  too.
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  I
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  do
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  not
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  recommend
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  writing
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  your.
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  And
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  gifting
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  that
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  to
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  someone
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  on
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  the
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  most
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  special
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  day
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  of
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  their
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  lives,
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  because
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  that
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  could
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  go.
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  That
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  can
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  go
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  terribly
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  wrong.
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  But
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  luckily
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  in
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  this
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  case,
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  it
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  didn't.
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  She
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  was
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  really.
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  She.
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  She
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  was
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  really
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  pleased.
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  It
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  was
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  very
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  special.
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  So
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  he
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  fell
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  in
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  love
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  with
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  songwriting.
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  And
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  then
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  I
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  started
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  raising
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  my
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  kids
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  and
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  kept
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  writing
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  songs.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  chasing
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  this
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  thing
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  called
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  a
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  record
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  deal.
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  Cuz
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  back.
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  So
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  this
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  was
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  a
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  long
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  time
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  ago,
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  this
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  would
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  have
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  been
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  in
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  the
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  early
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  90s.
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  And
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  everybody
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  know.
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  really?
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  Okay,
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  it
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  feels.
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  But
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  to
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  me
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  it
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  feels
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  like
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  long.
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  It
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  does.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  everybody
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  was
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  like,
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  you
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  got
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  to.
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  You
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  got
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  to.
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  There's
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  no
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  Internet
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  or
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  social
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  media.
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  The
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  only
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  way
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  you
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  did
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  the
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  music
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  thing
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  was
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  out
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  there
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  touring
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  or
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  getting
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  a
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  record
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  deal.
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  So
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  I
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  was
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  chasing
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  this
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  elusive
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  thing
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  called
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  the
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  record
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  deal,
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  which
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  I
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  did
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  not
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  understand
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  any
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  of
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  it.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  was
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  offered
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  a
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  deal.
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  And
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  when
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  they
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  were
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  explaining
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  to
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  me
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  what
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  they
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  would
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  need
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  from
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  me,
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  they're
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  like,
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  it's
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  two
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  years,
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  no
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  family,
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  no
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  friends,
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  and
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  we're
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  gonna.
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  You're
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  gonna
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  be
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  out
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  there
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  on
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  the
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  road
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  and
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  putting
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  out
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  music.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  I
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  have
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  three
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  young
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  boys
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  and
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  I
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  don't
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  think
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  I
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  can
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  do
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  any
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  of
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  the
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  stuff
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  that
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  you
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  are
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  saying
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  you
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  need
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  me
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  to
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  do.
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  So
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  that's
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  when
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  I
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  kind
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  of
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  realized
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  that
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  that
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  dream
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  of
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  being
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  a
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  recording
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  artist
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  and
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  stuff
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  was
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  not
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  gonna
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  fit
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  with
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  my
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  life
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  and
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  the
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  things
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  that
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  mattered
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  to
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  me.
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  So
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  I
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  just
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  focused
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  on
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  songwriting
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  and
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  I
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  had
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  four
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  more
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  children.
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  So
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  I
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  have
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  five
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  boys
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  and
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  two
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  girls.
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  Nice
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  basketball
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  team.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  Hockey.
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  Hockey
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  in
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  this
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  house.
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  They're
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  all.
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  Yeah,
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  they
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  were
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  all.
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  They
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  were
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  all
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  hockey
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  players.
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  And
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  so,
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  yeah,
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  so,
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  you
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  know,
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  through
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  those
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  years,
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  I
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  started
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  other
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  businesses
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  with
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  their
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  dad
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  and
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  just
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  really
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  learned
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  more
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  about
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  business
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  and
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  honed
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  my
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  business
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  skills
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  and
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  I
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  wasn't
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  doing
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  the
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  artist
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  thing.
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  And
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  I
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  came
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  back
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  to
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  it
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  in
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  2014.
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  I
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  had
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  a
• 2:22
  health
• 2:22
  crisis.
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  And
• 2:23
  when
• 2:23
  I
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  Was
• 2:24
  recovering
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  from
• 2:25
  that.
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  You
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  know,
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  you
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  see
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  you
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  look
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  at
• 2:28
  your
• 2:28
  life
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  differently,
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  and
• 2:29
  I
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  was
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  like,
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  I'm
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  not
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  really.
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  I'm
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  not
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  very
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  happy.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  just
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  wasn't
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  happy.
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  And
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  I
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  didn't
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  realize
• 2:36
  it,
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  but
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  it
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  was
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  music
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  missing,
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  not
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  because
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  be
• 2:41
  a
• 2:41
  rock
• 2:41
  star
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  or,
• 2:42
  you
• 2:42
  know,
• 2:44
  my
• 2:44
  reasons
• 2:44
  for
• 2:45
  it
• 2:45
  were
• 2:45
  different.
• 2:45
  My
• 2:46
  reasons
• 2:46
  became
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  music
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  is
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  just
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  part
• 2:48
  of
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  who
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  I
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  am.
• 2:49
  I
• 2:49
  just.
• 2:49
  It's,
• 2:50
  like,
• 2:50
  woven
• 2:50
  into
• 2:50
  me.
• 2:51
  I
• 2:51
  have
• 2:51
  to
• 2:51
  be
• 2:51
  doing
• 2:52
  it
• 2:52
  in
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  some
• 2:53
  way.
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  And
• 2:54
  so,
• 2:54
  yeah,
• 2:54
  so
• 2:54
  I
• 2:54
  started
• 2:55
  back
• 2:55
  on
• 2:55
  the
• 2:55
  music
• 2:55
  path
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  and
• 2:56
  started
• 2:56
  the
• 2:56
  label,
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  and
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  here
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  I
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  am.
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  Beautiful.
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  That's
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  amazing.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm
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  so
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  glad
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  you
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  shared
• 3:01
  that
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  with
• 3:01
  us.
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  And
• 3:03
  Dee
• 3:03
  and
• 3:03
  I
• 3:03
  can
• 3:03
  both
• 3:04
  sort
• 3:05
  of
• 3:05
  attest
• 3:05
  to
• 3:05
  that
• 3:06
  fact,
• 3:06
  too,
• 3:06
  that
• 3:06
  music
• 3:07
  is
• 3:08
  everything.
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  Like,
• 3:09
  even.
• 3:10
  I
• 3:10
  mean,
• 3:10
  from.
• 3:11
  From
• 3:11
  my
• 3:11
  perspective
• 3:12
  as
• 3:12
  a
• 3:12
  musician,
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  of
• 3:13
  course,
• 3:13
  but
• 3:14
  even
• 3:14
  on
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  other
• 3:15
  side
• 3:15
  of
• 3:15
  what
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  do,
• 3:17
  just
• 3:17
  dealing
• 3:18
  with
• 3:18
  clients
• 3:19
  that
• 3:19
  are
• 3:19
  booking
• 3:19
  events
• 3:20
  and
• 3:20
  things
• 3:20
  like
• 3:20
  that,
• 3:21
  music
• 3:22
  just
• 3:22
  for,
• 3:22
  like,
• 3:23
  even
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  average
• 3:23
  listener
• 3:24
  or
• 3:24
  the
• 3:24
  average
• 3:25
  consumer
• 3:26
  is
• 3:26
  a
• 3:26
  big
• 3:26
  deal,
• 3:27
  too.
• 3:27
  So.
• 3:28
  Even
• 3:28
  more
• 3:28
  so
• 3:29
  for
• 3:29
  someone
• 3:29
  like
• 3:29
  yourself
• 3:30
  who
• 3:30
  grew
• 3:30
  up
• 3:30
  studying
• 3:31
  music,
• 3:31
  practicing,
• 3:32
  performing,
• 3:32
  learning,
• 3:33
  had
• 3:33
  a
• 3:34
  dream,
• 3:34
  sort
• 3:35
  of
• 3:35
  going
• 3:35
  a
• 3:35
  different
• 3:35
  direction.
• 3:36
  And
• 3:37
  it's
• 3:37
  really
• 3:37
  crazy
• 3:38
  to
• 3:38
  hear
• 3:38
  that
• 3:38
  about.
• 3:38
  I
• 3:39
  mean,
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  music
• 3:39
  industry,
• 3:39
  their
• 3:40
  demands
• 3:40
  are
• 3:40
  going
• 3:40
  to
• 3:41
  be
• 3:41
  high,
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  course.
• 3:41
  So
• 3:41
  having
• 3:42
  to
• 3:42
  make
• 3:42
  that
• 3:42
  sort
• 3:42
  of
• 3:43
  a
• 3:43
  choice
• 3:44
  at
• 3:44
  that
• 3:44
  stage
• 3:45
  of
• 3:45
  your
• 3:45
  life
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  sort
• 3:46
  of
• 3:46
  say,
• 3:46
  no,
• 3:46
  it's
• 3:46
  not
• 3:46
  going
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  work
• 3:47
  for
• 3:47
  me,
• 3:47
  and
• 3:48
  pivot.
• 3:49
  I
• 3:49
  could
• 3:49
  see
• 3:49
  how
• 3:49
  there'd
• 3:50
  be
• 3:50
  a
• 3:50
  massive
• 3:50
  void
• 3:51
  there.
• 3:52
  Even
• 3:52
  though
• 3:52
  you,
• 3:53
  you
• 3:53
  know,
• 3:53
  you're
• 3:53
  successful,
• 3:54
  you
• 3:54
  have
• 3:54
  a
• 3:54
  great
• 3:54
  family
• 3:55
  and
• 3:55
  everything
• 3:55
  else.
• 3:56
  So,
• 3:56
  yeah,
• 3:57
  that's
• 3:57
  big.
• 3:57
  That's.
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  And
• 3:58
  I.
• 3:58
  I
• 3:59
  also
• 3:59
  think
• 3:59
  that
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  just
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  the
• 4:01
  idea
• 4:01
  of,
• 4:02
  you
• 4:02
  know,
• 4:02
  trying
• 4:02
  to
• 4:03
  live
• 4:03
  your
• 4:03
  life
• 4:03
  and
• 4:04
  put.
• 4:04
  Because
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  kind
• 4:05
  of
• 4:05
  relate
• 4:05
  to
• 4:05
  your
• 4:05
  story
• 4:06
  where
• 4:06
  I've
• 4:07
  kind
• 4:07
  of
• 4:07
  pushed
• 4:07
  music
• 4:08
  to
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  side.
• 4:10
  No,
• 4:11
  it's
• 4:11
  okay.
• 4:11
  We
• 4:11
  could
• 4:11
  talk
• 4:12
  about
• 4:12
  it.
• 4:12
  And
• 4:12
  then
• 4:12
  all
• 4:13
  of
• 4:13
  a
• 4:13
  sudden,
• 4:14
  you
• 4:14
  feel.
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  wouldn't
• 4:15
  say
• 4:16
  like,
• 4:16
  I'm.
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  definitely
• 4:17
  feel
• 4:17
  happiness,
• 4:18
  but
• 4:18
  there's
• 4:19
  a
• 4:19
  lack
• 4:19
  of
• 4:19
  fulfillment
• 4:20
  when
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  don't
• 4:20
  get
• 4:21
  to
• 4:21
  pursue
• 4:21
  that
• 4:21
  passion.
• 4:22
  And
• 4:23
  I
• 4:23
  feel
• 4:24
  almost
• 4:24
  incomplete.
• 4:25
  So
• 4:25
  when
• 4:25
  you
• 4:25
  actually
• 4:26
  get
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  chance
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  express
• 4:27
  that
• 4:28
  or
• 4:28
  use
• 4:28
  that
• 4:29
  or
• 4:29
  fuel
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  passion
• 4:31
  or
• 4:31
  exercise
• 4:31
  that
• 4:31
  passion,
• 4:32
  it
• 4:33
  brings
• 4:33
  out
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  different
• 4:33
  type
• 4:33
  of
• 4:34
  fulfillment
• 4:34
  in
• 4:34
  you.
• 4:34
  And
• 4:35
  so
• 4:35
  I'm
• 4:35
  sure
• 4:36
  that
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  lot
• 4:36
  of
• 4:36
  people
• 4:37
  that
• 4:37
  listen
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  this,
• 4:38
  they
• 4:38
  might
• 4:38
  be
• 4:38
  going
• 4:38
  through
• 4:39
  that
• 4:39
  exact
• 4:39
  same
• 4:39
  situation
• 4:40
  where
• 4:41
  they
• 4:41
  have.
• 4:41
  They
• 4:42
  have
• 4:42
  this
• 4:42
  passion.
• 4:42
  It
• 4:43
  might
• 4:43
  not
• 4:43
  even
• 4:43
  be
• 4:43
  music.
• 4:44
  It
• 4:44
  might
• 4:44
  be
• 4:44
  something
• 4:44
  else.
• 4:45
  Might
• 4:45
  be
• 4:45
  golf
• 4:46
  or
• 4:46
  Frisbee
• 4:47
  throwing
• 4:47
  or
• 4:47
  woodworking,
• 4:48
  whatever
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  is,
• 4:49
  you
• 4:49
  know,
• 4:50
  so
• 4:50
  it
• 4:51
  never
• 4:51
  letting
• 4:52
  go
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  passion
• 4:53
  and,
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  know,
• 4:53
  it
• 4:53
  might
• 4:54
  take
• 4:54
  till
• 4:54
  you're
• 4:54
  30,
• 4:55
  40,
• 4:55
  50
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  get
• 4:56
  there,
• 4:57
  but
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  think
• 4:58
  that
• 4:58
  if
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  get
• 4:58
  a
• 4:59
  chance
• 4:59
  to
• 4:59
  use
• 4:59
  that,
• 5:00
  hopefully
• 5:00
  it
• 5:00
  doesn't
• 5:00
  take
• 5:01
  what
• 5:01
  it
• 5:01
  took
• 5:01
  you,
• 5:01
  which
• 5:02
  is,
• 5:02
  you
• 5:02
  know,
• 5:02
  a
• 5:03
  life
• 5:03
  changing
• 5:03
  sickness
• 5:04
  or,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  know,
• 5:05
  something
• 5:06
  that
• 5:06
  was,
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  know,
• 5:06
  really,
• 5:07
  really
• 5:08
  bad
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  happen
• 5:09
  for
• 5:09
  someone
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  actually
• 5:10
  decide
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  need
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  pursue
• 5:12
  this
• 5:13
  passion,
• 5:13
  I
• 5:13
  need
• 5:13
  to
• 5:13
  at
• 5:14
  least
• 5:14
  try.
• 5:14
  And
• 5:14
  you
• 5:15
  know,
• 5:15
  every
• 5:16
  time
• 5:16
  I've
• 5:16
  tried,
• 5:16
  I've
• 5:17
  had
• 5:17
  an
• 5:18
  incredible
• 5:18
  response
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  it.
• 5:19
  It's
• 5:20
  beautiful
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  know
• 5:20
  that
• 5:20
  you
• 5:21
  had
• 5:21
  that
• 5:21
  except
• 5:21
  that
• 5:22
  similar
• 5:22
  experience.
• 5:23
  And
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  would
• 5:23
  encourage
• 5:24
  others,
• 5:24
  if
• 5:25
  you
• 5:25
  have
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  moment
• 5:25
  to
• 5:26
  try,
• 5:26
  you'll
• 5:26
  be
• 5:26
  surprised
• 5:27
  at
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  results
• 5:27
  you
• 5:28
  get
• 5:28
  if
• 5:28
  you,
• 5:28
  you
• 5:29
  know,
• 5:29
  really
• 5:29
  go
• 5:29
  down
• 5:30
  towards
• 5:30
  the
• 5:31
  path
• 5:31
  that
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  feel
• 5:31
  passionate.
• 5:32
  Yeah.
• 5:32
  Don't
• 5:32
  give
• 5:32
  up
• 5:32
  on
• 5:33
  your
• 5:33
  dreams.
• 5:33
  Right?
• 5:34
  Don't
• 5:35
  give
• 5:35
  up
• 5:35
  on
• 5:35
  your
• 5:35
  dreams.
• 5:36
  Absolutely,
• 5:36
  absolutely.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:38
  what's
• 5:38
  another
• 5:38
  reason
• 5:39
  for
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  book?
• 5:39
  Because,
• 5:40
  you
• 5:41
  know,
• 5:41
  it
• 5:42
  looks
• 5:42
  at.
• 5:42
  It's
• 5:42
  not
• 5:42
  like
• 5:43
  this
• 5:43
  is
• 5:43
  how
• 5:43
  you
• 5:43
  make
• 5:43
  it
• 5:43
  in
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  music
• 5:44
  business,
• 5:44
  because
• 5:45
  I
• 5:45
  can't
• 5:46
  really
• 5:46
  get
• 5:46
  behind
• 5:46
  any
• 5:46
  of
• 5:47
  that
• 5:47
  language
• 5:47
  and
• 5:48
  actually
• 5:48
  keep
• 5:48
  feeding
• 5:49
  the.
• 5:49
  We're
• 5:50
  kind
• 5:50
  of,
• 5:50
  you
• 5:51
  know,
• 5:51
  sold
• 5:52
  this
• 5:52
  Cinderella
• 5:52
  story
• 5:53
  that,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  know,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:54
  gotta
• 5:54
  slug
• 5:54
  it
• 5:54
  out
• 5:55
  until
• 5:55
  somebody
• 5:55
  with
• 5:56
  power
• 5:56
  discovers
• 5:57
  you
• 5:57
  and
• 5:58
  plucks
• 5:58
  you
• 5:58
  from
• 5:58
  the
• 5:59
  masses
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  elevates
• 6:00
  you
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  stardom
• 6:01
  and
• 6:01
  then
• 6:01
  you're
• 6:01
  rich
• 6:01
  and
• 6:01
  famous
• 6:02
  and
• 6:02
  all
• 6:02
  your
• 6:02
  problems
• 6:02
  are
• 6:02
  gone.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:03
  that
• 6:03
  messaging
• 6:04
  is
• 6:04
  perpetuated
• 6:05
  through,
• 6:05
  through,
• 6:05
  you
• 6:05
  know,
• 6:06
  these
• 6:06
  big
• 6:06
  sort
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  talent
• 6:07
  discovery
• 6:07
  shows
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  we
• 6:08
  have.
• 6:08
  And.
• 6:09
  Yeah,
• 6:09
  great
• 6:10
  point.
• 6:10
  And
• 6:10
  so
• 6:10
  it's
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  very
• 6:11
  disempowering
• 6:12
  type
• 6:12
  of
• 6:13
  messaging.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:14
  so,
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  when
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  say
• 6:15
  interweaving
• 6:16
  your
• 6:16
  passion
• 6:17
  and
• 6:17
  going
• 6:18
  for
• 6:18
  it,
• 6:18
  part
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  success
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  that
• 6:20
  is
• 6:20
  realigning
• 6:21
  your
• 6:21
  own
• 6:22
  vision
• 6:22
  for
• 6:22
  success
• 6:23
  and
• 6:24
  kind
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  stepping
• 6:24
  away
• 6:25
  from
• 6:25
  what
• 6:25
  you're
• 6:25
  told
• 6:26
  is
• 6:26
  success
• 6:26
  and
• 6:26
  waiting
• 6:27
  for
• 6:27
  somebody
• 6:27
  else
• 6:27
  to
• 6:28
  give
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  permission
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  live
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  life
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  you
• 6:30
  want
• 6:30
  for
• 6:30
  yourself.
• 6:31
  And
• 6:31
  that's
• 6:32
  true
• 6:32
  of
• 6:32
  music,
• 6:33
  golf,
• 6:33
  Frisbee,
• 6:34
  whatever
• 6:35
  it
• 6:35
  may
• 6:35
  be.
• 6:36
  Woodworking,
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:38
  we
• 6:38
  can't
• 6:38
  wait
• 6:39
  for
• 6:39
  others
• 6:39
  to
• 6:39
  tell
• 6:40
  us
• 6:40
  it's
• 6:40
  okay
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  live
• 6:41
  the
• 6:42
  way
• 6:42
  we
• 6:42
  want
• 6:42
  to
• 6:42
  live.
• 6:43
  Yes,
• 6:44
  yes,
• 6:45
  yes.
• 6:46
  That's
• 6:46
  powerful.
• 6:47
  That's
• 6:47
  huge.
• 6:48
  Very
• 6:48
  powerful.
• 6:48
  Yeah.
• 6:49
  So
• 6:49
  how
• 6:49
  much
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  this
• 6:50
  comes
• 6:50
  into
• 6:50
  play
• 6:51
  like
• 6:51
  this
• 6:51
  sort
• 6:51
  of
• 6:51
  thinking,
• 6:52
  teaching
• 6:53
  comes
• 6:53
  into
• 6:53
  play
• 6:54
  in
• 6:54
  your
• 6:54
  coaching?
• 6:54
  Is
• 6:55
  there
• 6:55
  a
• 6:55
  lot
• 6:55
  to
• 6:55
  do
• 6:55
  with
• 6:55
  mindset?
• 6:57
  What
• 6:57
  does
• 6:58
  that
• 6:58
  look
• 6:58
  like?
• 6:58
  All
• 6:58
  of
• 6:58
  it.
• 6:58
  Okay.
• 6:59
  Yeah,
• 6:59
  it's
• 7:00
  all
• 7:00
  my.
• 7:00
  I
• 7:00
  mean,
• 7:01
  it's
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  combination
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  understanding
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  core
• 7:03
  principles
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  how
• 7:04
  any
• 7:05
  business
• 7:05
  works.
• 7:06
  Because
• 7:06
  when
• 7:06
  you
• 7:06
  understand
• 7:07
  the
• 7:08
  core
• 7:08
  principles
• 7:08
  of
• 7:08
  business,
• 7:09
  you
• 7:09
  can
• 7:09
  be
• 7:09
  successful
• 7:10
  in
• 7:10
  any
• 7:11
  business.
• 7:11
  And
• 7:12
  you
• 7:12
  know,
• 7:12
  my
• 7:12
  experience
• 7:13
  tells
• 7:13
  me
• 7:13
  that
• 7:14
  business
• 7:14
  is
• 7:14
  really
• 7:14
  just
• 7:15
  about
• 7:15
  people.
• 7:16
  No
• 7:16
  matter
• 7:16
  what
• 7:17
  it
• 7:17
  is
• 7:17
  that
• 7:17
  you're
• 7:17
  selling,
• 7:18
  what
• 7:18
  product
• 7:18
  or
• 7:18
  service,
• 7:19
  it's
• 7:19
  always
• 7:19
  about
• 7:20
  people.
• 7:21
  And
• 7:21
  the
• 7:22
  best
• 7:22
  way
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  understand
• 7:23
  people
• 7:23
  is
• 7:23
  to
• 7:24
  understand
• 7:24
  yourself.
• 7:25
  So
• 7:25
  if
• 7:25
  you.
• 7:26
  If
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  like.
• 7:27
  Basically,
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  book
• 7:28
  sums
• 7:28
  up
• 7:28
  as.
• 7:29
  To
• 7:29
  be
• 7:29
  successful
• 7:30
  in
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  business
• 7:30
  of
• 7:30
  music,
• 7:31
  you
• 7:31
  first
• 7:31
  need
• 7:31
  to
• 7:31
  be
• 7:32
  successful
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  business
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  you.
• 7:34
  So
• 7:34
  it's
• 7:34
  like,
• 7:35
  who
• 7:35
  are
• 7:35
  you?
• 7:36
  What
• 7:36
  motivates
• 7:37
  you?
• 7:37
  What's
• 7:37
  your
• 7:37
  why?
• 7:38
  Why
• 7:38
  do
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  want
• 7:39
  to
• 7:39
  be
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  music
• 7:39
  business?
• 7:40
  Like,
• 7:40
  it's
• 7:40
  not
• 7:40
  like
• 7:41
  this
• 7:41
  is
• 7:41
  how
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  make
• 7:41
  it
• 7:42
  in
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  music
• 7:42
  business.
• 7:42
  It's
• 7:43
  why
• 7:43
  do
• 7:43
  you
• 7:43
  want
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  be
• 7:43
  in
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  music
• 7:44
  business?
• 7:45
  Like,
• 7:46
  what
• 7:46
  is
• 7:46
  it
• 7:46
  you're
• 7:46
  chasing?
• 7:47
  And
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  lot
• 7:48
  of
• 7:48
  my
• 7:48
  coaching
• 7:49
  and
• 7:49
  the
• 7:49
  book
• 7:49
  is
• 7:49
  really
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  total
• 7:50
  extension
• 7:50
  of
• 7:51
  my
• 7:51
  coaching,
• 7:51
  is.
• 7:51
  Is
• 7:52
  looking
• 7:52
  for,
• 7:53
  like,
• 7:53
  finding
• 7:54
  patterns
• 7:54
  in
• 7:54
  yourself
• 7:55
  where
• 7:55
  you're
• 7:55
  looking
• 7:55
  for
• 7:55
  validation.
• 7:56
  So
• 7:57
  when
• 7:57
  we're
• 7:57
  looking
• 7:57
  for
• 7:57
  validation
• 7:58
  outside
• 7:58
  of
• 7:59
  ourselves,
• 7:59
  we're
• 7:59
  always
• 8:00
  at
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  mercy
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  other
• 8:01
  people
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  feel
• 8:02
  good
• 8:03
  about
• 8:03
  ourselves,
• 8:04
  but
• 8:04
  it
• 8:04
  should
• 8:04
  be
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  opposite,
• 8:05
  you
• 8:06
  know,
• 8:06
  we
• 8:06
  should
• 8:06
  look
• 8:06
  inside
• 8:07
  for
• 8:07
  validation.
• 8:08
  Yeah.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:08
  so,
• 8:09
  yeah,
• 8:09
  and
• 8:10
  what
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  find,
• 8:10
  what
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  have
• 8:11
  found,
• 8:11
  because
• 8:11
  I
• 8:12
  work
• 8:12
  with
• 8:12
  artists
• 8:12
  at
• 8:13
  all
• 8:13
  levels,
• 8:13
  like
• 8:13
  successful,
• 8:15
  signed
• 8:15
  unsigned
• 8:17
  hobbyists,
• 8:19
  and
• 8:19
  they
• 8:19
  all
• 8:20
  like
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  feedback
• 8:20
  I
• 8:21
  get
• 8:21
  from
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  type
• 8:21
  of
• 8:22
  coaching
• 8:22
  we
• 8:22
  do
• 8:23
  is
• 8:23
  that
• 8:23
  it's
• 8:24
  purposeful
• 8:24
  no
• 8:25
  matter
• 8:25
  where
• 8:25
  you're
• 8:25
  at,
• 8:26
  because
• 8:26
  it's
• 8:26
  about
• 8:27
  connection
• 8:27
  with
• 8:27
  self
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  it's
• 8:28
  about
• 8:29
  understanding
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  power
• 8:31
  of
• 8:31
  your
• 8:31
  mind
• 8:31
  and
• 8:32
  what
• 8:32
  you
• 8:33
  see.
• 8:33
  You
• 8:34
  know,
• 8:34
  if
• 8:34
  you
• 8:34
  can
• 8:34
  see
• 8:35
  it,
• 8:35
  then
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  can
• 8:35
  get
• 8:36
  there.
• 8:36
  So
• 8:36
  clarity
• 8:38
  and
• 8:39
  also
• 8:39
  just
• 8:40
  valuing
• 8:41
  what
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  create.
• 8:42
  Because
• 8:42
  we
• 8:42
  live
• 8:43
  in
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  culture
• 8:43
  that.
• 8:44
  That
• 8:44
  values
• 8:45
  things
• 8:45
  based
• 8:46
  on
• 8:46
  money
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  how
• 8:47
  much
• 8:47
  money
• 8:47
  it
• 8:48
  makes.
• 8:48
  And
• 8:48
  success
• 8:49
  is
• 8:49
  defined
• 8:49
  by
• 8:50
  money
• 8:51
  and
• 8:51
  things
• 8:51
  and
• 8:52
  stuff,
• 8:52
  but
• 8:53
  it's
• 8:53
  temporary,
• 8:54
  it's
• 8:55
  not
• 8:55
  fulfilling,
• 8:57
  you
• 8:57
  know,
• 8:57
  so
• 8:57
  sort
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  realigning
• 8:58
  that
• 8:59
  feeling
• 8:59
  of
• 9:00
  just
• 9:01
  finding
• 9:02
  validation
• 9:02
  and
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  feeling
• 9:03
  of
• 9:03
  success
• 9:04
  within
• 9:05
  the
• 9:05
  process
• 9:05
  of
• 9:06
  creation
• 9:06
  itself,
• 9:08
  not
• 9:08
  from
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  result.
• 9:09
  Yeah,
• 9:10
  yeah.
• 9:10
  Geez.
• 9:11
  We
• 9:11
  might
• 9:11
  have
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  pause
• 9:12
  just
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  let
• 9:12
  someone
• 9:12
  just
• 9:13
  let
• 9:13
  that
• 9:13
  sink
• 9:13
  in
• 9:14
  a
• 9:14
  little
• 9:14
  bit.
• 9:14
  Soak
• 9:15
  it
• 9:15
  in.
• 9:15
  Absolutely
• 9:16
  understandable
• 9:17
  gems.