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Six Jailed Over Murder of Innocent Mother Gunned Down on Flat Doorstep · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: You know, there is this unspoken assumption we all have
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  about the front door of wherever we live.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's a boundary, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's this psychological barrier just as much as a physical one.
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  Like when you're inside, all the chaotic, unpredictable stuff in.
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  Speaker 3: The world is outside.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And when there's a knock, what actually goes through
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  your mind? I mean mostly it's just an annoyance.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Amazon guy, right, it's.
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  Speaker 1: A package delivery, or maybe it's a neighbor who locked
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  themselves out, or you know, somebody trying to sell you
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  a new Internet.
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  Speaker 2: Package, something totally mundane.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Okay, let's unpack this because today we are looking
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  at a case that completely strips away that illusion of safety.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: We are diving deep into a tragedy that fundamentally shattered
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  that everyday assumption, a case where the simple automatic act
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  of turning a doorknob actually became the final action of
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  an innocent woman's life.
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  Speaker 2: And it forces us to confront how fragile that barrier
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  really is. Yeah, you know, we rely on predictability.
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  Speaker 1: We take it for granted.
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  Speaker 2: We do. We expect the mundane because statistically, life is
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  mostly mundane. But the incident we're examining today, which took
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  place on March nine to twenty twenty five in Talbot Green,
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  which is this quiet community in South Wales. Right, it
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  isn't just a true.
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  Speaker 1: Crime anomally right, It's bigger than that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a systemic collision. We're looking at what happens when
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  the devastatingly ruthless, almost corporate like machinery of an expanding
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  organized crime group just crashes head on into the life
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  of someone who had absolutely no connection to their world.
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  Speaker 1: Joanne Penny, Yes, a forty year old mother who had
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  I mean zero involvement in the drug trade, zero involvement
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  in dangs, zero connection to any criminal underworld whatsoever, the
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  complete civilian totally, and yet she lost her life on
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  a doorstep, leading to one of the most significant and
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  historic sentencings in Welsh legal history, which just wrapped up
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  frequently in June twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: The scale of the sentencing was massive, it really was.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: Our mission for this deep dive, using all these court
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  transcripts and victim impact statements, is to figure out the
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  mechanics of this tragedy, like how does a sleepy Welsh
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  town become the epicenter of a lethal turf war. How
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  do these criminal franchises actually operate on.
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  Speaker 2: The ground, And we have to look at the human costs.
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  Speaker 1: We have to center the human cost here because behind
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  all the complex police work in the courtroom drama, there's
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  a family that has been permanently, irrevocably broken by this, which.
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  Speaker 2: Really is the only place we can truly start. Yeah,
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  if we were going to understand the sheer gravity of
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  the sentences handed down by the court later on, we
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  first have to understand the profound innocence of the life
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  that was taken.
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  Speaker 1: We need to know who Joanne was exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We have to start with Joanne herself and the incredibly
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  vulnerable position she was in at that.
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  Speaker 1: Time, right, because when you look at Joanne Penny's life
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  leading up to that evening, she had been delta seriously
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  tough hands. She's been through a lot, she really had.
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  She was forty, a mother to three children. She had
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  two teenage daughters and a son named Cody Griffiths, and
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  she was a widow. She had lost the children's father
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  years prior, so she's navigating this immense grief while carrying
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  the weight of single motherhood.
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  Speaker 2: And compounding that emotional weight was this severe structural vulnerability.
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  Speaker 3: Right the housing situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the reality of her situation was that she had
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  recently experienced homelessness. Life had really pushed her to the.
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  Speaker 1: Very margins, which is the crucial detail for understanding why
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  she was even at the location where she was murdered,
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  exactly because she wasn't at her own house. She was
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  staying temporarily with friends at an address ten likely's ill
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  tied in Talbot Green. She was essentially sofa surface.
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  Speaker 2: Just trying to get by day to day.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And I think we need to pause on that
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  for a second, because think about what it means to
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  stay on a friend's couch while you're trying to get
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  your life back together. You have no privacy, no privacy,
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  no sanctuary of your own. You are entirely dependent on
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  the goodwill of others for basic shelter. It is the
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  most mundane yet profoundly exposed state a person can be in.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, you were existing in someone else's ecosystem. Yeah, and
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  the court made this point with absolute clarity during the trial.
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  Joanne Penny was a civilian. She was not a participant
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  in the shadow economy that was operating all around that address.
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  Speaker 1: She was literally just crashing there.
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  Speaker 2: She was a textbook definition of being in the wrong
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  place at the wrong time, just trying to find a
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  momentary safe harbor.
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  Speaker 1: And the contrast between who she was and the forces
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  that were closing in on her is just staggering.
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  Speaker 2: It's heartbreak too.
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  Speaker 3: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: Like you read the accounts from her family and they
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  are filled with these beautiful, deeply human details.
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  Speaker 2: The beach trips, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Her daughters talked about going on deeps trips, about going
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  out for ice cream. You know, these small, bright, fiercely
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  normal moments that make up a family shared history.
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  Speaker 2: And that highlights the sheer sociopathy of the crime itself totally.
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  Because the individuals who arrived at ten Lee Silzial they
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  didn't see a mother, They didn't see a human being
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  who loved her children and took them for ice cream.
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  Speaker 3: No, they did zero at all.
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  Speaker 2: They just saw a logistical obstacle. Because when you operate
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  within the framework of an organized crime group or an OCG,
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  residential addresses are entirely stripped of their humanity.
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  Speaker 1: Aren't homes anymore, No, they.
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  Speaker 2: Are strategic strongholds.
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  Speaker 1: They are just points on a map, like a blip.
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  Speaker 3: On a radar.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, they are nodes in a supply chain. It's a
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  place to store product, a base for runners, a territory
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  to be held or conquered. Right the innocent human lives
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  occupying those spaces, whether they're the actual tenants or someone
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  just crashing on the couch like Joe Anne, they are
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  completely invisible to the OCG. It's terrif they're categorized as
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  collateral damage before a shot is even fired.
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  Speaker 1: God, I have always hated that term, you know, collateral damage.
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  Speaker 2: It's very cold.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds so sterile, like you're reading a military briefing.
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  It completely erases the actual horror of what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: It sanitizes it.
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  Speaker 3: It does.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to read a piece of the victim
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  impact statement for her son, Cody, because it just completely
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  obliterates that clinical terminology.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very powerful statement.
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  Speaker 1: He stood up in court looking right at the people
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  who killed his mother and he said, you shot my
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  mother through the heart, and shot her whole family through
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  the heart too. My mother will never be able to
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  see me get married. We'll never get to meet my children.
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  And then Joanne's mother, Sharon detailed how she's suffering from
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  these relentless, agonizing nightmares. I mean, it's not just a death,
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  it's this multi generational infection.
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  Speaker 2: Of trauma, right, because it orphans the children, it robs
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  them of their past and all their future milestones, and
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  it traps the parents in this endless loop of psychological torture.
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  Speaker 3: It's just devastating.
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  Speaker 2: The term collateral damage is a lie that these organizations
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  tell themselves to justify their own atrocities. But it brings
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  us back to the core structural question of this entire case, right,
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  the why exactly why was that specific No ten elis
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  ilted targeted Because as we've establish list, Joanne was absolutely
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  not the target.
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  Speaker 1: Right, she was literally just the one who opened the door. Yes,
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  the real target was the address itself because of the
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  massive shadowy economy operating right.
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  Speaker 3: Outside that door.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about territory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole tragedy stems from a turf war and
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  to understand it, we have to look at this group
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  operating out of Lester, the RICO OCG.
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  Speaker 2: The RICO group is absolutely central to understanding modern illicit economies.
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  Speaker 3: In the UK Okay tell me about them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were led by a man named Joshua Gordon
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  who was around twenty seven or twenty eight at the time.
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  And Gordon had this very specific, incredibly aggressive business strategy,
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  which is what he wanted to expand their crack cocaine
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  operation out of the Midlands and push down into Cardiff
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  and the surrounding areas, specifically targeting Talbot Green.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what law enforcement refers to as
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  county lines writer exactly. I feel like we hear that
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  phrase thrown around a lot on the news, but I
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  really want to make sure we understand the mechanics of it.
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  From my understanding, it's basically like a franchise model.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way to look at it.
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  Speaker 1: Like a fast food chain realizing they can't open another
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  burger joint in a major city without cannibalizing their own sales,
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  so they just move to the suburbs.
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  Speaker 3: Is that accurate.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great starting point. Yeah, But with one critical difference.
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  What's that Well, a legitimate franchise has corporate oversight, right,
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  they have legal contracts, noncompete clauses, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, lawyers and paperwork.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But in the illicit drug market, particularly in major
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  urban hubs like Lester, Birmingham or London. The market is
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  completely saturated. It's too crowded, it's incredibly crowded. The competition
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  is intense, the profit margins shrink, and the risk of
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  violence or police intervention is exceptionally high because you have
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  multiple groups fighting over the exact same street corners.
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  Speaker 1: So they look for a blue Ocean strategy free tisely,
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  they look at a map and find smaller, quieter towns,
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  places where the local drug supply might be, I don't know,
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  a bit disjointed, maybe lower quality, or just less violently defended.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly to them, Talbot Green represents an untapped market.
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  Speaker 1: Right for the taking.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so the RICO Group sends their members down or
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  they recruit local vulnerable people to set up a new
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  supply line, and suddenly you have this massive, well resourced,
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  highly organized urban gang operating right in a sleepy provincial town.
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  Speaker 1: Which changes everything for that town.
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  Speaker 2: It does. But remember they don't have a legal department
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  to secure their market share. Their only mechanism for corporate governance,
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  Their only way to enforce contracts is violence.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and obviously, when the RICO Group showed up in
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  Talbot Green. The local dealers weren't just going to roll
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  out the red carpet and say hey, take our customers, No,
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  because the local market was already controlled by a rival
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  leader known as Jimmy Joseph. Right, So Jimmy and his
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  crew are looking at these out of towners trying to
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  siphon off their revenue, and they decide they have to
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  push back.
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  Speaker 2: Which is exactly what sparks the escalation. There are two
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  specific inciting incidents leading up to the murder that really
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  highlight how quickly these territorial disputes spiral out of control. Okay,
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  what happened first? On February twenty first, twenty twenty five,
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  there's what the court referred to as the ramming incident.
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  Speaker 3: The ramming incident, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy's crew basically ambushes the Rico dealers right outside
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  that same address number ten. Eli's ill tied.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, right where Joanna was saying. So what do they do?
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  Speaker 2: They chase them out, They physically ram and damage a
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  vehicle belonging to the Rico group, and they brandish a firearm.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a very aggressive, very public eviction notice.
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  Speaker 2: Very public, and then shortly after that, a RICO runner,
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  a guy named syraj Man, gets pistol whipped by the
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  local crew.
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  Speaker 1: Ouch. So they're really sending a physical message exactly.
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  Speaker 2: These aren't random acts of violence. They are targeted to
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  tacks on the Rico group's operational capacity and more importantly,
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  on their brand.
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  Speaker 1: See here is where I have to look at this
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  from a systemic level and just ask why escalate to murder?
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  Speaker 2: It seems extreme?
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  Speaker 3: It does.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, their car gets rounded, one of their low
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  level runners gets beat up, and their immediate response is
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  to escalate from a street scuffle to sending a heavily
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  armed hit squad. From a purely business standpoint, murder is
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  terrible for business.
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  Speaker 2: It attracts all the wrong kind of attention exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It brings a massive police investigation, It shuts down your
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  supply lines, it draws heat from the media. It seems
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  like a completely disproportionate overreaction that just destroys the very
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  profit they're trying to protect.
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  Speaker 3: So what does this all mean?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you evaluate their actions using the logic of
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  a legitimate business or even just basic risk management, it
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  seems utterly self destructive.
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  Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, it makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to view this through the specific economic
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  reality of the illisan drug trade. In that world, respect
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  and reputation aren't just abstract concepts or matters of ego.
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  Speaker 1: They're more tangible than that.
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  Speaker 2: They are the actual currency. They are the foundation of
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  the entire deterrence model that keep the business alive.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying violence is basically their marketing budget.
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  Speaker 2: That is a phenomenal way to frame it. Think of
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  violence not as a crime but as brand protection. Wow,
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  Because if you are Joshua Gordon, your power relies entirely
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  on the perception of your capacity for overwhelming retaliation.
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  Speaker 3: You have to look scary.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly if Jimmy's crew rams your car and pistol whips
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  your runner and you do nothing, or if you just
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  fight back a little bit, you look.
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  Speaker 3: Weak, and weakness is bad for business.
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  Speaker 2: In an illicit ecosystem. Weakness is an existential.
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  Speaker 1: Threat because if you don't respond with overwhelming force, you
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  don't just lose Talbot Green.
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  Speaker 2: No bigger than that.
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  Speaker 1: Word gets back to Lester, word gets to every other
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  town where you have a county line operating. Suddenly, every
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  local dealer in every town thinks they can push the
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  Rego group around, and your entire empire collapses.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, the thread of your violence is exposed as a bluff.
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  And what's fascinating here is how the core evidence explicitly
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  showed the Rico group discussing the need to send a message.
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  Speaker 1: They literally used those words.
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  Speaker 2: They did they needed an act of extreme theatrical violence
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  to reclaim their territory and re establish their deterrence.
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  Speaker 1: God.
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  Speaker 2: This is why ten lyns Ill Tied became a contested
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  military objective. Jimmy's crew had used it, Rico's crew had
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  used it. It was essentially the flag in the center
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  of the battlefield, and they needed to plant it back
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  in the ground, regardless of who was standing in the way.
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  Speaker 3: They were willing to burn the house down just to
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  prove they owned the ashes.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly it.
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  Speaker 1: But here's where the story shifts from a tragic local
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  turf war to something genuinely terrifying on a much larger
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  systemic level.
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  Speaker 2: It gets much darker.
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  Speaker 1: It does because this violent retaliation, this hit wasn't just
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  hatched on a street corner in South Wales. It was coordinated,
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  funded and ordered from an environment that should have been
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  completely neutralized. Right, we need to talk about the puppet master,
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  Rinaldo Baptiste.
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  Speaker 2: This is the element of the case that exposes a
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  massive failure in our public life safety infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Ronaldo Baptiste is a key figure in the RICO OCG.
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  But on March ninth, twenty twenty five, when Joanne Penny
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  was murdered, Baptiste wasn't in Talbot Green. No, he wasn't
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  in Luster. He was sitting in a high security prison cell.
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't just on remand for some minor offense, right, No,
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  not at all. Rinaldo Baptiste was already serving a life
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  sentence with a minimum term of twenty five years for
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  a previous murder he committed back in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: He's a convicted killer.
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  Speaker 1: Society had already deemed this man too dangerous to walk
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  the streets. We put him in a cage to protect people,
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  and yet he is running a heavily armed hit squad
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  from his bunk.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge systemic failure.
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  Speaker 1: He brokers the deal for the hit, he sources the firearm,
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  he gets the ammunition, and he acts as the air
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  traffic controller for Joshua Gordon on the outside, and.
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  Speaker 2: The logistical reality of how he achieved this is what
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  law enforcement is struggling with globally.
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  Speaker 3: How did he do it?
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  Speaker 2: He used a smuggled prison smartphone.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking into this and it just blows my
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  mind because we think of prisons as these impenetrable fortresses,
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  you know, with metal detectors and dogs and guards everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Right the movie version of prison Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: How are fully functioning smartphones making it into the hands
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  of convicted murderers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a technological arms race. Yes, there are corrupt staff,
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  and there are traditional smuggling routes through visitors.
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  Speaker 3: Things like that, the usual ways.
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  Speaker 2: But the landscape has changed so much. You have commercial
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  drones flying over prison walls at night, literally dropping packages
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  directly to sell windows drones.
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  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a huge issue, and the technology itself has adapted.
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  Criminals often use what are called microphones. What's a micro
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  There are devices smaller than a lighter. They are composed
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  mostly of plastic, specifically to evade metal detectors, and they
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  are designed to be hidden in body cavities.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, So it's the ultimate perverse remote work set up.
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  The physical office is a maximum security cell, but his
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  digital reach is entirely uncontained.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. Once an OCG leader has
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  an internet connected smartphone, the prison walls effectively cease to exist.
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  Speaker 1: They're just a suggestion at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much, they have encrypted messaging apps like Signal or Telegram.
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  They can access banking, they can coordinate logistics, they can
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  order violence all from bed right. They are physically contained,
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  but operationally they are still on the street. Putting them
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  in prison doesn't dismantle the gang. It just gives the
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  boss a state funded fortress where rival gangs can't shoot
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  back at.
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  Speaker 1: Him, which creates a nightmare scenario for police, a total nightmare,
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  because you spend years building a case. You put a
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  killer like bab Piet away and the violence doesn't even
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  stop because he has the contacts, he has the authority,
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  and crucially, because he's already serving life, he has absolutely
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  nothing left to lose.
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  Speaker 2: He is insulated from consequence, which makes his decision making
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  utterly ruthless. And this raises an important question about how
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  we manage these high values inmates. The forensic evidence recovered
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  from that phone details exactly how he orchestrated this. Baptiste
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  reaches out to contacts back in Leicester to source the weapon.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not a standard hand gun, is it.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a converted starter pistol.
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  Speaker 1: I want to dig into that because I feel like
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  this is a very specific UK phenomenon. I was reading
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  about these converted guns. They're basically track and field blank
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  guns that criminals drill out, right, That's right, But doesn't
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  that make them incredibly unstable?
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  Speaker 3: Like dangerous to the user?
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  Speaker 2: Extremely unstable? A starter pistol is designed to fire blanks.
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  They are legally easier to obtain than a live firearm
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  because they start their life as a legal novelty item.
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  Speaker 1: Basically just something you buy at a sports store exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But criminal armorers take these blank firing guns and illegally
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  modify them. They drill out the block barrel, they reinforce
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  the chamber, and they alter the firing mechanism so it
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  can actually strike a live round.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a pipe bomb waiting to go off
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  in your hand.
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  Speaker 2: The freak misfire or explode. Their bullistics are highly unpredictable,
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  but for an OCG, they are cheap, easily accessible and
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  untraceable in the traditional sense because there's no registry for
• 18:11
  a track and field starter pistol.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: So Baptiste sources this unstable converted gun, and he sources
• 18:17
  the ammunition. Yes, the police found coded text messages where
• 18:21
  the bullets were referred to as ten sweets sweets right,
• 18:24
  and they trace the sourcing back to a woman in
• 18:26
  Leicster named Molly Cooper. But the most shilling part of
• 18:29
  this digital trail isn't the logistics of the gun or
• 18:32
  the bullets, it's the intent.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: The intent was horrific.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: There are communications between Baptiste and the hit man they
• 18:38
  chose for the job, a guy named Marcus Huntley.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And Huntley is young. He's about twenty or twenty one
• 18:43
  years old.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: At the time, so he's trying to make a name
• 18:45
  for himself.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: He is very eager to prove himself to leadership, right.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And Huntley texts Baptiste from the outside discussing the plan,
• 18:55
  and he writes, and this is a direct quote from
• 18:57
  the text, leg shots only right. So he is suggesting
• 19:01
  they just wound the target, just ncap them to send
• 19:03
  the message without killing anyone. And Baptiste replies to that
• 19:07
  text he does he doesn't say no, he doesn't give
• 19:10
  a counter order.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: He replies with a laughing emoji.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: A laughing emoji to a question about sparing a life.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's sickening.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: It is the absolute gamification of murder.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: During the trial, the defense team desperately tried to spin this. Obviously.
• 19:25
  They argue that this conversation was just coded talk about
• 19:29
  drug quantities, that leg shots meant something entirely.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Different, which makes no sense, and the jury saw right
• 19:35
  through it completely.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: The prosecution argued successfully that this established premeditated intent. When
• 19:41
  a hitman suggests only wounding the target and the orchestrator
• 19:44
  responds with a laughing emoji, he is dismissing the idea
• 19:48
  of restraint.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: He's making fun of him for even asking exactly.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: He is mocking the concept of mercy. It was a
• 19:55
  green light for extreme harm, if not.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Outright death, So Baptiste has said the board from his cell.
• 20:01
  The weapon is secure, the ammunition is ready, the intent
• 20:04
  is lethal.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: The plan is in motion.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: But a text message can't pull a trigger to execute this.
• 20:10
  They needed someone physically on that doorstep in Talbot Green,
• 20:14
  and more importantly, they needed a mechanism to get the
• 20:17
  door open in the first.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Place, which brings us to the evening of March nine,
• 20:21
  twenty twenty five.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: The execution of the reprisal.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Right, the mechanics of how they carry this out reveal
• 20:27
  so much about the utter depravity of this group.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: How did it go down?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It's early evening. Three people approached the flat at ten
• 20:34
  aalizul Tana. You have Marcus Huntley, the young guy with
• 20:37
  a converted pistol, eager to make his bones.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's one.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: You have Jordan mill Smith, another associate. And then you
• 20:43
  have a woman named Melissa Qually Dashber, and.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Her role is critical for understanding the socioeconomic strategy of
• 20:49
  organized crime groups right, absolutely critically because she wasn't the
• 20:52
  mastermind and she wasn't the shooter.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: No, Melissa Qually Dashber was a highly vulnerable individual struggling
• 21:00
  with severe addiction. She was just a user, yes, and
• 21:03
  the RICO group used her. They paid her in crack
• 21:06
  cocaine to do one specific job, walk up to that
• 21:09
  flat and knock on the door.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Why her though, why not just kick the door in?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Because it's a brutal form of risk management. It's often
• 21:18
  called cuckooing or using human bait, human bait. Think about it.
• 21:22
  If three masked men looking like a hit squad approach
• 21:26
  a known drug house, nobody is opening that door.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Right The occupants look out the window, see the threat,
• 21:31
  and they either barricade themselves in or run out the back.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly The OCG needed a trojan horse. They needed someone
• 21:38
  who looked completely non threatening, someone who might legitimately be
• 21:41
  knocking to buy drugs or just ask for help.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So they are externalizing their highest physical risks onto the
• 21:46
  lowest value members.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Of their hierarchy.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Com precisely, they valued her life and the immense danger
• 21:51
  of putting her in a literal crossfire at the price
• 21:53
  of a few rocks of crack cocaine.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: It is predatory capitalism in its most violent form, it
• 21:58
  really is. They exploit the most mark jinnalized people in society,
• 22:01
  attics the desperately poor, and they use them as disposable
• 22:05
  shields to insulate the higher ups.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So Melissa knocks on the door, and inside the flat,
• 22:11
  Joanne Penny is just hanging out in the living room
• 22:14
  with two friends. It's a normal Sunday.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Evening, completely normal, because.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Joanne happens to be sitting closest to the stairs. She's
• 22:20
  the one who gets up to see who it is.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: She goes to answer the door.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He walks downstairs, she reaches for the handle, she opens.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: The door, and the moment that door opens, the barrier
• 22:29
  is breached.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Marcus Huntley doesn't ask a question, He doesn't check who
• 22:33
  he's shooting at to see if it's Jimmy Joseph for
• 22:35
  one of his crew, No hesitation. He just raises that
• 22:38
  converted starter pistol and fires almost at point blank range,
• 22:42
  directly into Joanne's chest. The time is exactly six point
• 22:47
  zero four.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: PM, a single gunshot, but with a modified weapon at
• 22:51
  that range, striking center mass. The physical trauma is just catastrophic.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: She is shot directly through the heart. Emergency services are
• 22:59
  called immediately, paramedics arrive, and the scene is described in
• 23:03
  the reports as just chaotic and desperate.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: They tried so hard to save her.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: They are fighting on a residential doorstep, doing everything medically
• 23:11
  possible to save her life, but the damage is too severe.
• 23:15
  Joanne Penny dies right there. It's awful and the contrast
• 23:19
  between that frantic, blood soaked effort to save her life
• 23:22
  and the behavior of a gang at that exact same
• 23:24
  moment is chilling.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: It's sociopathic because while Joanne is bleeding to death, Huntley, Mills,
• 23:31
  Smith and Qualley Dashbord do not panic.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: They don't run around screaming.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Not at all. The escape is calculated. They casually return
• 23:38
  to their vehicles. They make their way out of Talbot Green,
• 23:42
  heading back towards the safety of Leicester.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: The machinery of the cover up kicks in instantly.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Right away, the.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Cell networks just light up. You have frantic group calls
• 23:50
  between the getaway cars and the orchestrators. Joshua Gordon's partner,
• 23:54
  a woman named Christina Genova. She immediately starts destroying evidence,
• 23:58
  tam Schinrol exactly, getting rid of phones, clothing, severing the
• 24:02
  digital ties that could link the leadership to the shooting.
• 24:05
  It's a well oiled machine going into damage control.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: They knew exactly what to do.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: But here is where it gets really interesting, and frankly,
• 24:12
  it takes a turn into almost absurd hubris.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Supris is the perfect.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Word, because for all their calculated, corporate style planning, they
• 24:21
  are undone by sheer vanity.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The disposal of the weapon.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Right Marcus Huntley, the shooter is tasked with getting rid
• 24:29
  of the converted.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Pistol, he needs to make it disappear.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: He takes it to a park and cardiff to bury it.
• 24:34
  But he doesn't just dig a hole, drop it in
• 24:37
  and walk away. He pulls out a smartphone and he
• 24:39
  films himself burying the murder weapon.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It is staggering arrogance, but it also speaks to the
• 24:44
  psychology of violence within these groups.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: It's like a bad mob movie where the hit man
• 24:49
  wants a souvenir of his own crime, but worse because
• 24:52
  it's digital. I mean, why on earth would you film
• 24:54
  yourself hiding the one piece of evidence that can put
• 24:57
  you away for life.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: You have to look at how young men unlike Huntley
• 25:00
  are manipulated within the OCG structure. Okay, how so well,
• 25:04
  he's in his early twenties. He's been groomed by older,
• 25:08
  hardened criminals like Baptiste and Gordon into believing that violence equal.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Status, Right, It's a currency.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: In his mind. He didn't just commit a murder, he
• 25:17
  executed a successful military operation for the franchise. That video
• 25:22
  wasn't just a souvenir, it was a digital resume clout.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: He literally killed a mother for underworld clout exactly.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: It's proof of his loyalty and his ruthlessness, something he
• 25:32
  could show his bosses to elevate his standing or use
• 25:35
  to build his own fearful reputation on the street.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But it completely backfired massively.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: In his desperate need for validation, he provided law enforcement
• 25:44
  with an unassailable piece of evidence. He thought he was
• 25:47
  cementing his legacy as a gangster, but he was actually
• 25:50
  just handing the police a confession on a silver platter.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And South Wales Police did not hesitate to take that
• 25:55
  platter and build an ironclad case. It moved very quickly,
• 25:58
  which brings us to the investigation and the takedown. Because
• 26:02
  when a civilian, an entirely innocent person, is murdered in
• 26:05
  a public place with a firearm, it triggers a massive response.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It's an all hands on deck situation.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The investigation was led by Detective Chief Inspector LeAnn Rees
• 26:15
  and they threw everything at this The.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Speed and meticulousness of the police work here is exceptional.
• 26:20
  They started connecting the dots across multiple jurisdictions almost immediately.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: They pull the CCTV from the area around the flat,
• 26:27
  which clearly shows the group approaching the door. Right, they
• 26:30
  start ripping apart the phone data, all those frantic post
• 26:34
  murder group calls we mentioned. The cell towered pings are
• 26:38
  mapping out the gang's exact escape route, proving they were together.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But the lynchpin was the forensic work on the ammunition.
• 26:46
  The Swedes remember Molly Cooper, the woman in Lester who
• 26:49
  sourced the ten suites right the supplier. The police recovered
• 26:52
  the spent cartridges at the scene in Talbot Green and
• 26:55
  they managed to pull DNA off those casings that matched
• 26:58
  Molly Cooper.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Wow d on a spent casing.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's incredible forensic work and that instantly bridges the geographic gap.
• 27:06
  It proves the lethal material traveled from the Lesters supply
• 27:09
  network directly to the South Wales crime scene.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: The net is closing in fast at this plan, very fast.
• 27:15
  Marcus Huntley realizes the heat is on and tries to
• 27:17
  flee the area. And where do they catch this self
• 27:21
  styled cartel hit.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Man, not a private jet on a National.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Express public coach. I mean it completely strips away all
• 27:28
  the glamour and intimidation these guys trying to project.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Jordan mill Smith flees all the way to Suffolk
• 27:35
  with the help of his family, but they hunt him
• 27:38
  down too. They arrest the leadership, they round up the associates,
• 27:41
  They dismantle a massive chunk of the Rico.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Network, which leads us to Cardiff Crown Court and the
• 27:47
  trials that resulted in this historic justice in June twenty
• 27:51
  twenty six. Yeah, the legal proceedings were complex because he
• 27:55
  had so many players with entirely different roles, from the
• 27:58
  mastermind sitting in a cell to the addict who knocked
• 28:00
  on the door. Right. But the prosecution's strategy was brilliant.
• 28:04
  They didn't just try Huntley as lone gunmen. They put
• 28:07
  the entire syndicate on trial for the murder.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Let's break down these sentences because mister Justice Fordham did
• 28:12
  not hold.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Back at all.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: He threw the book at them.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: This is one of the largest murder sentencings in Welsh
• 28:17
  legal history, over one hundred and fifty years combined. For
• 28:21
  the six defendants. Let's start with the triggerman, Marcus Huntley.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He actually pleaded guilty to murder, which makes sense given
• 28:29
  his defense was practically non existent after filming himself burying
• 28:32
  the gun.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Hard to argue with the video exactly.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: He received a life sentence with a minimum term of
• 28:38
  thirty years and one hundred and forty six days.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Then you have the orchestrator, Rinaldo Baptiste, the man already
• 28:45
  serving a minimum of twenty five years for a previous.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Murder, right the guy on the phone.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Mister Justice Fordham handed him another life sentence, this time
• 28:52
  with a minimum of forty two years. He won't even
• 28:55
  be eligible for parole until twenty sixty eight, when he'll
• 28:58
  be eighty one years old.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Wow, it is essentially a whole life order by proxy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Then we have the leadership on the outside, Joshua Gordon,
• 29:05
  the dominant figure driving the expansion, life with a minimum
• 29:08
  of thirty.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Two years significant time.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Jordan mill Smith who was at the door, with huntly
• 29:13
  life minimum twenty seven years. But then we get to
• 29:16
  the women involved, who received mitigated sentences but were still
• 29:20
  hit with massive time.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: This is the legally complex part.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Melissoqueally Dashburn the bait who knocked on the door. She
• 29:27
  gets life with a minimum of fourteen years. And Christina Genova,
• 29:31
  Gordon's partner who destroyed evidence, life with a minimum of
• 29:35
  twelve years.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And This is where we really need to dive into
• 29:38
  the legal architecture that made these sentences possible, because it
• 29:42
  is highly debated and incredibly powerful.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: The joint enterprise thing.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, the doctrine of joint enterprise.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I really want to unpack this because to a layman,
• 29:51
  someone might look at this and say, Okay, Genova smashed
• 29:54
  some phones and Dashburn knocked on a door. They committed crimes. Sure,
• 29:58
  but why are they getting life sentences for murder when
• 30:00
  they didn't pull the trigger and weren't even in the room.
• 30:03
  It seems disproportionate to some Exactly isn't it legally dangerous
• 30:07
  to charge someone with murder just for knocking on a door?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It is a deeply controversial area of UK law. Joint
• 30:14
  enterprise is a common law doctrine that essentially dictates that
• 30:17
  if a group of people agreed to commit a crime,
• 30:20
  and during the course of that enterprise, a more serious
• 30:22
  offense is committed, everyone in the group can be held
• 30:25
  equally liable for that most serious offense.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, so everyone shares the blame.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: The key is foresight. Did they foresee that extreme violence
• 30:34
  or murder was a possible outcome of their shared plan?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So if you act as the getaway driver for a
• 30:40
  bank robbery and your partner shoots the teller, you are
• 30:44
  both on the hook for murder, even if you never
• 30:46
  stepped out of the car.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly, the philosophical justification is that by participating, you lent
• 30:51
  your support and encouragement to an enterprise where violence was
• 30:55
  a known risk. Your presence empowered the primary actor. Critics
• 31:00
  of joint enterprise argue that it sweeps up peripheral figures,
• 31:03
  often young, vulnerable people, and hits them with disproportionate sentences
• 31:08
  for crimes they didn't actually intend to happen.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But in the context of an organized crime group, how
• 31:13
  else do you dismantle the machine?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: That is precisely the counter argument, and it's exactly how
• 31:18
  mister Justice fordam utilized it here. And OCG is a machine.
• 31:22
  A gun is useless without the person who sources it,
• 31:24
  the person who hides it, and the person who opens
• 31:26
  the door so it can be fired.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Everyone is a gear in the machine.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly. By knocking on that door, Dashburd facilitated the murder
• 31:35
  by destroying the phones. Genova trying to protect the murderers
• 31:39
  and ensure the enterprise could continue the judge used joint
• 31:44
  enterprise as a judicial sledgehammer to smash the entire business model.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: He went after the route.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: He didn't just sentence a shooter. He sends the ecosystem
• 31:52
  that made the shooting possible.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He targeted the OCG context directly. The judge stressed several
• 31:58
  aggravating factors that pushed these minimum terms into the stratosphere.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: The aggravating factors are key.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: First the use of a firearm, Second, the fact that
• 32:06
  this was organized, premeditated gang violence, and third the utter
• 32:11
  innocence of the victim. Joanne was not a rival dealer.
• 32:14
  She was a mother staying with a friend.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Those aggravating factors are crucial because this wasn't just justice
• 32:20
  for Joanne. It was the justice system drawing a line
• 32:23
  in the.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Sands, sending their own message exactly.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Mister Justice Forum described the killing as a decisive show
• 32:28
  of strength in a drugs war. By handing down over
• 32:32
  a century and a half of prison time, the state
• 32:34
  is making its own decisive show of strength. It is
• 32:37
  a broadcast to every other OCG operating out of major
• 32:41
  cities looking at a map of Wales, basically saying, if
• 32:44
  you bring your war here, we will bury you under
• 32:47
  the prison.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But despite that massive victory in the courtroom, we have
• 32:50
  to pull back and look at the community left behind.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: We do.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We've seen the perpetrators locked away, But what does this
• 32:56
  mean for Talbot Green? What does it mean for you,
• 32:59
  the life listener living in a town that might look
• 33:02
  just like it? Because the ripple effects of this case
• 33:05
  point to a much bigger, much darker systemic picture.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: When you analyze the structural issues highlighted by this case,
• 33:12
  it becomes clear this is not an isolated incident to
• 33:15
  a trend. It is a symptom of a UK wide crisis.
• 33:19
  The expansion of urban gangs into smaller communities is accelerating,
• 33:23
  and the violence driven by the crack cocaine market is escalating,
• 33:26
  and the.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Weapons are changing the landscape of local policing. We talked
• 33:28
  about those converted firearms earlier.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: They are a massive problem.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It used to be that getting a gun in the
• 33:33
  UK was incredibly difficult even for serious connected criminals. Now
• 33:38
  they are ordering starter pistols online, converting them in a garage,
• 33:42
  and suddenly a twenty year old kid looking for clout
• 33:45
  has a legal weapon in his.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Waistband, which inevitably leads to an increase in drug related homicides.
• 33:51
  DCI Leanne Reeves warned about the devastating consequences of importing violence,
• 33:55
  and she's totally right. Yeah, smaller communities, post industrial towns,
• 33:59
  they simply do not have the infrastructure, the specialized gang units,
• 34:03
  the massive CCTV networks, the armed response vehicles to deal
• 34:08
  with urban cartels setting up shop on their high streets.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So, if you live in a quiet, relatively safe area,
• 34:14
  it's really easy to think this level of organized crime
• 34:17
  is confined to major cities.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: You think it won't touch.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You, right, you watch it on TV dramas, you hear
• 34:22
  about it on the news in London or Manchester. But
• 34:25
  this case proves that the drug economy knows no borders.
• 34:28
  Your quiet street could be the next untapped market.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, it shows
• 34:34
  why the solution cannot just be a law enforcement solution.
• 34:37
  What do you mean you cannot arrest your way out
• 34:39
  of this problem? Elf Wales police did an exceptional, historic
• 34:43
  job dismantling the Rico gang. But if you take out
• 34:47
  Joshua Gordon and Marcus Hunty, what happens tomorrow?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Another gang just moves in to take their place. Nature
• 34:54
  more is a vacuum exactly.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: The demand for drugs, specifically highly addictive substances like that
• 35:00
  crack cocaine creates a massive economic vacuum. Predatory groups will
• 35:04
  inevitably flow into that space to make a profit.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: It's just economics.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Eradicating ocgs requires targeting the supply chains, yes, but it
• 35:12
  fundamentally requires removing the economic and social vulnerability as they
• 35:15
  exploit to thrive.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the conditions that make a turf war
• 35:19
  possible in the first place.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, we have to look at the leverage the gangs use.
• 35:23
  Why was Melissa Quale Dashbird willing to act as human
• 35:26
  bait because she was desperate, because she had a severe
• 35:28
  addiction and no support system. Her desperation was monetized by
• 35:32
  the gang. Why was Joyanne Penny staying at that flat
• 35:35
  because she had experienced homelessness and lacked a secure structural
• 35:39
  safety net.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: They prey on the weak points.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Ocgs operate in the cracks of society. They find the
• 35:45
  broken places and they root themselves there. If we want
• 35:48
  to stop them, we have to seal those cracks.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: It requires robust community interventions. It means vastly improved accessible
• 35:55
  addiction support. It means youth programs to prevent the grooming
• 35:59
  and recruit of the next Marcus Huntley.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: All of that, and it means.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Real economic opportunity so people don't turn to the shadow
• 36:06
  economy just to survive.
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  Speaker 2: It is a multi agency battle. It requires health care,
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  social services, education and law enforcement all working in lockstep.
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  They have to talk to each other because if they don't,
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  if we just rely on the police to clean up
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  the mess after the fact, the collateral damage is going
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  to keep piling up. Innocent people like Joeanne Penny are
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  going to keep paying the ultimate price for a war
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  they didn't even know they were in.
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  Speaker 1: Her death is a tragic reminder of the human face
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  behind the crime statistics. As the judge said, no sentence
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  could ever reflect the value of her life.
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  Speaker 2: It is a story of incredible judicial accountability, but also
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  a stark, terrifying warning about the fragility of our public
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  safety infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: And it's that fragility I want to leave you with.
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  Today we can look at this case and celebrate the
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  justice handed down to these six individuals.
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  Speaker 2: It was a massive win for the police.
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  Speaker 1: It was we can feel sense of relief knowing they're
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  locked away for over a century and a half combined,
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  and that the Rico Gang's expansion was stopped cold. But
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  remember the puppet master, Ronaldo Baptiste. He was already serving
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  a life sentence. He was already subjected to the absolute
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  maximum punishment our society allows.
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  Speaker 2: He was supposedly neutralized, The.
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  Speaker 1: System had done everything in its power to neutralize him,
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  and yet through a smuggled piece of plastic and glass,
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  he still managed to reach out from behind the walls
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  of a maximum security cell to take another innocent life.
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  Speaker 2: It's chilling.
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  Speaker 1: So the question you have to ask yourself as you
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  lock your own front door tonight, is this, If the
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  highest penalty our justice system can impose isn't enough to
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  stop a killer from striking again, how do we truly
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  measure the boundaries of public safety?