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#2199 The Future of Medicine - Dr. Cam McDonald · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I got eight champs. It's Jumbo, it's Tiff Cook and
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  Speaker 1: it's the genius from Queensland, Doctor Cam McDonald. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: with the genius. Hi, Doc, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I think so? It's great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we love seeing you and we love having you,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope you love being had tiv. How's things fabulous?
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  Speaker 2: Harper fabulous?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you? Just clinging to my heater because I'm not
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  Speaker 3: in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. It's been interesting. I've done my ten
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  Speaker 1: k's already, which is very well, ten thousand steps already.
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  Speaker 1: There'll be a few more, but I like to get
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  Speaker 1: them done by lunchtimeish because then there's no pressure. But
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  Speaker 1: it was quite chilly. I had to put my extra
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  Speaker 1: thermal socks on. That's not true. That's not true. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any. I should invest in some, you know that.
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  Speaker 1: I think they used to call them back in the
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  Speaker 1: day explorer socks, and we get them from like army
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  Speaker 1: stores and stuff. Yes, but Camp's probably never heard of though,
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  Speaker 1: because you spent ninety eight percent of his life in
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  Speaker 1: fucking songs.
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  Speaker 2: Gunda guy in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, your audio is a bit like you're talking into
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  Speaker 1: your arm pit. Well he goes to fixate everyone. He
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  Speaker 1: look at it. It's just it was a bit shitty.
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  Speaker 1: We'll keep we'll keep this in the podcast. It's a
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  Speaker 1: bit shitty, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It was a bit shitty.
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  Speaker 2: What about? Is that any better?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Just sounded like I don't want people to think
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  Speaker 1: you're broke, mate. Yeah that's it. Yeah, that's way better. Okay, cool?
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  Speaker 1: All right, great, one hundred times better. Thank God for that.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to talk. I want to talk or
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  Speaker 1: I want to have a three way discussion. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what's coming down the pipeline or what
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  Speaker 1: we would like to see coming down the pipeline. What
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  Speaker 1: is he doing now?
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  Speaker 4: Tip, I'm at a standing desk. I've been up for
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  Speaker 4: about an hour.
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  Speaker 2: My back's getting a bit stiff, so I'm just getting
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  Speaker 2: some lats in. I'm getting some all that.
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  Speaker 1: You push that down button and sit on a chair
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  Speaker 1: like normal regular people.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, You come on here to have a
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  Speaker 2: great conversation and not be judged. You know, this is.
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  Speaker 1: That's our main thing here.
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  Speaker 2: And if a bloke can't just release a bit of
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  Speaker 2: fashion while he's having a conversation on a platform where
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  Speaker 2: no one can see anything that's going on, then I
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  Speaker 2: don't you know what's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: And for those people who think releasing fashion might be something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little bit dubious, it's not that. It's
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  Speaker 1: not what you've taken. Very Yes, well, I'm glad you're
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  Speaker 1: had a work at a stand up workstation because that
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  Speaker 1: is a good thing. Yeah, but I'm with you. I
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  Speaker 1: can't do I can't do it. Well, I probably can't
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  Speaker 1: do as long as you, but I definitely can't do
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  Speaker 1: hours and hours. All right, I'm going to just start
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  Speaker 1: banging out questions and ideas because I'm very fascinated, especially
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  Speaker 1: with the rate of progression of things that we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: in the world that are all kind of bumping into
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  Speaker 1: each other. You know, technology and medicine and apps and
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  Speaker 1: straps and fucking you name it, and you know all
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  Speaker 1: the new things we're seeing in terms of supplements and
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  Speaker 1: optional foods and personalized medicine, which is your one of
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  Speaker 1: your kind of cay areas of expertise and so on.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought, let's start with this. What would you
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  Speaker 1: like to see happen?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: This can't be a fifty minute ad for personalized medicine,
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  Speaker 1: So just keep it in your pants a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you a little bit of levity. But what
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  Speaker 1: would you love to see happen regarding the way that
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  Speaker 1: health in Inverted Commas is done or operates in a
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  Speaker 1: broad sense in Australia and beyond over the next decade,
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  Speaker 1: what would you love to see more of? I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Very good. So where so the direction what I would
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  Speaker 2: like is for there to be a.
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  Speaker 4: Walking around manual for each person that wants to be
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  Speaker 4: part of the program.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's got to be voluntary in a.
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  Speaker 4: Way where every practitioner, every person that's helping that person
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  Speaker 4: has access to the same information and isn't just going
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  Speaker 4: off on their own little tangents and their own little
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  Speaker 4: mission and their own little whatever because they watched some
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  Speaker 4: workshop or heard some podcasts three three days ago and
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  Speaker 4: they said, oh, I'll try that with this next client.
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  Speaker 2: So the first thing that needs to happen is a record.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's happening.
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  Speaker 4: It's a baby version of that is happening, I say, baby,
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  Speaker 4: and that it's it's still not fully directed the way
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  Speaker 4: that it needs to be, like the electronic health record
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  Speaker 4: of like everything that's happened to you in the past
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  Speaker 4: is accessible all in one place.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm talking about is this movement to.
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  Speaker 4: Fully understanding the individual to the level that we can
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  Speaker 4: now understand them, and I mean we as a as
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  Speaker 4: a population, not just the organization I work with, but
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  Speaker 4: to understand their genetic makeup and their current gene expression,
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  Speaker 4: and their current tendencies, and the way that they interact
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  Speaker 4: and the way that they're influenced by food and exercise
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  Speaker 4: and their environment and their social relationships and there. And
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  Speaker 4: it seems complex, but it's actually quite simple to be
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  Speaker 4: able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And what that means because the problem that we have
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 4: You go into a clinician and I've got a normal
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  Speaker 4: example of this and one that literally came up on
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  Speaker 4: a health professional call I just ran just before this.
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  Speaker 4: You go in with sluggishness, tiredness, and poor sleep and
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  Speaker 4: a bit of anxiety. Okay, they're the symptoms that you
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  Speaker 4: go into the doctor with and the doctor says, ah, anxiety,
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  Speaker 4: I know to treat that. I've got a pill, this pill,
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  Speaker 4: and you should just take it a bit easier whatever
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  Speaker 4: it might be, you know, like whatever the doctor does
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  Speaker 4: in the ten minutes they got.
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  Speaker 2: Then you go along to the exercise physiologist.
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  Speaker 4: They go, oh, if you run really hard and then
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  Speaker 4: have a break and then run really hard again, you
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  Speaker 4: can actually train your body that it's not anxiety and
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  Speaker 4: you get your VEO two up and your energy is
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  Speaker 4: going to be better and you're going to sleep at
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  Speaker 4: it because you're exercising. So that's what you really need.
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  Speaker 4: And then you go to the dietition. They go, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: it's probably the caffeine that you're having at lunchtime and
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  Speaker 4: the red bull that you're having there too, and that
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  Speaker 4: the fact that you're lacking a bit of vegetables. All
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  Speaker 4: of those things affect your sleep and they don't really
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  Speaker 4: get you to a good place. And then you go
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  Speaker 4: along to the psychologist and the psychologist goes, look, I
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  Speaker 4: know that you're trying to get rid of this caffeine
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  Speaker 4: and it seems a bit of a strain for you.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a whole lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Subconscious childhood trauma stuff that we've got to dig through.
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  Speaker 4: I think the worst thing you can do is take
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  Speaker 4: away some of your safety mechanisms like caffeine right now.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, if the exercise is really difficult and
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  Speaker 4: it's adding more stress on your plate, then you know,
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  Speaker 4: we should really do that after we get through the
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  Speaker 4: next part of the treatment. So the person goes to four
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  Speaker 4: different practitioners with the same symptoms, so they.
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  Speaker 2: Get varied advice.
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  Speaker 4: That's all this jointed when it turns out that this
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  Speaker 4: person's anxiety and sluggishness is coming because specifically because they're
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  Speaker 4: waking up too early and pushing themselves too hard, and
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  Speaker 4: they're not having they're having five meals a day not
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  Speaker 4: three because their body needs that. And their home environment
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  Speaker 4: is a cluttered mess because they're moving and it has
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  Speaker 4: been for the last six months, and all of those
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  Speaker 4: things intersect to create these symptoms of this person. But
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  Speaker 4: no practitioner is really picking up on all of that
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  Speaker 4: or root cause or what could be going on for
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  Speaker 4: this individual. And so when I mean to understand the individual,
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  Speaker 4: it's to understand what are the most important pathways we've
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  Speaker 4: got to be checking for this symptom. And so every
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  Speaker 4: practitioner has access to I know what I've got to
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  Speaker 4: do to contribute to this treatment. The excise physiologist isn't
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  Speaker 4: going to prescribe excise in the morning. It's going to
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  Speaker 4: be in the afternoon, or it's going to be a walk.
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  Speaker 4: The dietician is going to be looking out three mins
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  Speaker 4: health for day, not five, because that's what this body needs.
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  Speaker 4: The psychologist is actually going to be helping them work
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  Speaker 4: through what it takes to clear up their environment and
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  Speaker 4: actually have a calmer space in their environment. And then
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, they're sleeping better, their anxiety levels
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  Speaker 4: go down, and it's the strategy that's appropriate for the individual.
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  Speaker 4: And so an example that happened literally just before I
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  Speaker 4: jumped on this today was I was working with a
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  Speaker 4: group of health professionals and one of their clients has
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  Speaker 4: been told by a TCM practitioner to reduce the amount
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  Speaker 4: of fluid that they're drinking. And I don't know too
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  Speaker 4: many conditions. We need less water, like less than a lead.
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  Speaker 4: And when they went through the recidion help stuff that
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  Speaker 4: we do, it said, look, water is actually pretty important
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  Speaker 4: for this.
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  Speaker 2: Individual and they just need some electrolytes with it.
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  Speaker 4: They did that, energy levels start improving, the swelling starts
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  Speaker 4: going down, and this is what we've got. And CCM's great.
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  Speaker 4: It's a great modality. Medicine is a great modality. Exercises
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  Speaker 4: great modality. But all of them are just coming from
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  Speaker 4: their angle, and they're not coming from who is this
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  Speaker 4: person and what does this body need right now in
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  Speaker 4: this season, at this time, and how does my modality
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  Speaker 4: interact with that?
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  Speaker 2: They just say, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 4: Apply my modality to this person, and so what we
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  Speaker 4: want and this is one of the conversations we're having globally,
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  Speaker 4: is a like an end to end of every single
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  Speaker 4: person who wants to be part of this healthcare system
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  Speaker 4: actually understands exactly what their body's designed to be treated,
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  Speaker 4: and every health professional has that information as well, and
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  Speaker 4: so electronic health records is a part of it. But
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  Speaker 4: as soon as everybody is walking around with the right
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  Speaker 4: information for them or the best information that we can
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  Speaker 4: provide them at that point in time, and it's updating
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  Speaker 4: in real time and it's adjusting to what we know
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  Speaker 4: about that person, that's when we're going to have And
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  Speaker 4: then we have the health professional groups educated to understand
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  Speaker 4: that they've actually got to treat the individual, not the condition.
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  Speaker 4: What I mean by that is anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: For one person is poor diet.
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  Speaker 4: Another for another person, anxiety is lack of purpose and
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  Speaker 4: not feeling like they've got a mission. And the first
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  Speaker 4: person's got mission and purpose. But they've still got anxiety
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  Speaker 4: because of their digestive system. But the other person's got
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  Speaker 4: anxiety because they don't have purpose. So both people have
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  Speaker 4: got anxiety. You don't treat the anxiety, you treat the person.
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  Speaker 4: You give one person a better diet, you give another
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  Speaker 4: person more purpose, and the anxiety goes away.
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  Speaker 2: And we miss this. We're missing this completely, and that
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  Speaker 2: what is the problem is who is this person?
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  Speaker 4: That's where it's got to really be fine tuned. That's
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  Speaker 4: the first step in things. It gets a lot more
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  Speaker 4: funky after that.
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  Speaker 1: How do we that's great, how do we do this
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  Speaker 1: practically with millions of people? How do we get all
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  Speaker 1: of this this data about this individual? Like and then
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  Speaker 1: chuck on not just the physiological and the psychological and
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  Speaker 1: the emotional and the nutritional and the but then you
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  Speaker 1: throw in lifestyle. Then you're throwing relationships, and then you
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  Speaker 1: throw in you know, past experiences, trauma, and then you
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  Speaker 1: throw in their finances what they can and can't afford
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  Speaker 1: and is it And then also like, I think the idea,
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  Speaker 1: I love the idea, by the way, but then I think,
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  Speaker 1: how do we get all of these people on board?
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  Speaker 1: Like one of my One of my pet hates has
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  Speaker 1: been the fact that, which is what you're talking too,
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  Speaker 1: is that everything gets treated in isolation. You know. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this this is a heart guy, and this is a
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  Speaker 1: brain lady, and this is a dude who does food,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a guy who's a physio, and we
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  Speaker 1: need all of those independent specialists and gurus. But the
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  Speaker 1: body is not a system. It's like it's a multitude
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  Speaker 1: of integrated systems, you know, it's not they're not all separate, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how do we get all the relative professionals on board
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  Speaker 1: with this approach too? So they are not like how
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  Speaker 1: do we get the dietitian or the nutritionness to understand
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  Speaker 1: even though nutrition can have an impact on emotions and
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  Speaker 1: psychology and cognitive capacity, how do we get them to
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  Speaker 1: factor in all the other things that they're not trained in.
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  Speaker 2: Great questions.
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  Speaker 4: So the first one, I'll just do a disclaimer that
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  Speaker 4: this is part of the little bit of levity that
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  Speaker 4: you give me to talk about what we're doing. We
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  Speaker 4: essentially are in a place where we could measure the
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  Speaker 4: entire country tomorrow. They could do it at home online
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  Speaker 4: and get profound insights into nutrition, exercise, psychological tendencies, environmental preferences,
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  Speaker 4: circadian rhythms. That's essentially what we've been developing for the
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  Speaker 4: last twenty years. So the technology is there, and then
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  Speaker 4: all of those other extra lifestyle factors. That's exactly what
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  Speaker 4: AI is designed for as well, like more data. But
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  Speaker 4: the problem with most medical AIS right now, and this
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  Speaker 4: is just on that first question that.
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  Speaker 2: You ask, is all of them.
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  Speaker 4: You if you watch the thinking of the medical ais,
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  Speaker 4: they go into the literature and they.
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  Speaker 2: Find the average results of the randomized.
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  Speaker 4: Control trials and they come back to apply them to
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  Speaker 4: the person and that doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just the same as doing.
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  Speaker 4: Generic medicine, although just faster, and it's still I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there's some arguments to say that it's getting to the
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  Speaker 4: point where it's almost as good, if not better than
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  Speaker 4: some practitioners in some fields, but it's still referencing the
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  Speaker 4: population average, and we've got to start focusing on the individual.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what weab neue of the twenty is that's
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  Speaker 4: that's why we're excited about That's why I'm excited about
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  Speaker 4: life all the time, because there's hope and there's a
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  Speaker 4: possibility for this.
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  Speaker 1: So and while sorry mate, just quickly tell everyone the
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  Speaker 1: your this is your one free hit EO, no worries.
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  Speaker 4: twin of yourself and you can actually have a converse
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  Speaker 4: with your biology within twenty minutes of doing it. Then
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  Speaker 4: you can join a practitioner and they can give you
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  Speaker 4: a whole lot of medical and precision health insights as well.
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  Speaker 1: So it's amazing. You guys have been kind of with
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  Speaker 1: this stuff leading the way for a while. It's amazing,
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  Speaker 1: So well done. But let's ask a few just random questions.
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  Speaker 2: I've got it, there's more to your question. So all right,
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  Speaker 2: can I answer that? Or do you want to want
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  Speaker 2: to move on?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, of course yep.
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  Speaker 4: So the next part is so that the bits around
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  Speaker 4: how do we account for trauma, how do we account
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  Speaker 4: for finances, how do we account for whatever? That's where
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  Speaker 4: if you've got the picture of the person right, we
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  Speaker 4: know what the blueprint is, then AI becomes so powerful,
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  Speaker 4: Like you think about running a budget with AI.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty good. But if you know how, if it
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  Speaker 2: knows how to speak.
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  Speaker 4: To you and the language and you're the way you're
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  Speaker 4: likely to behave around money and all of those types
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  Speaker 4: of things as well. Writing a budget becomes very very
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  Speaker 4: different if it actually understands your preferences and it's looking
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  Speaker 4: out for you.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I guess. The very very important part of.
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  Speaker 4: This is technology that is built for human improvement is
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  Speaker 4: very important. It's called tech for good, which is something
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  Speaker 4: that you should be looking at. And then as far
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  Speaker 4: as so when we're talking about how do we get
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  Speaker 4: all that extra stuff in AI.
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  Speaker 2: Does that very very easily. And with wearable data as well.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much wearable data.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we can talk about that a bit later on,
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  Speaker 4: but there's some real holes in the way that we
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  Speaker 4: collect and interpret wearable data right now, which we can discuss.
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  Speaker 2: The last one is educating health professionals. It's a big
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  Speaker 2: part of this. There is a.
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  Speaker 4: Massive paradigm shift that is required for this to occur. Essentially,
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  Speaker 4: everybody had to get it into their head that they
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  Speaker 4: are going to become super coaches with some clinical expertise,
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  Speaker 4: and you need to be across human connection first, and then.
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  Speaker 2: The clinical stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's helpful if you've got some knowledge in it, but
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  Speaker 4: it's going to matter a less and less because the
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  Speaker 4: amount of information that people can get right now on
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  Speaker 4: their health does require a fifty year experienced clinician to
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  Speaker 4: give the best answer.
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  Speaker 2: We can get.
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  Speaker 4: Really really close, if not exactly the same, if not
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  Speaker 4: a little bit better answer because it's able to not
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  Speaker 4: have human bias and take in so much more data.
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  Speaker 4: And so health professionals, this is one of the big
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  Speaker 4: things that I've been trying to lead, well how I've
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  Speaker 4: been leading for a long time is this evolution of
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  Speaker 4: health professionals into being great behavioralists, being supported by technology
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  Speaker 4: that's enhancing their clinical insights, but where they get trained
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  Speaker 4: across the entirety of lifestyle so that they go, oh,
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  Speaker 4: the reason I'm so the training is there, the principles
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  Speaker 4: are there, All of the information exists actually in the literature.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of health professionals being ready to let.
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  Speaker 4: Go of their silo a little bit because there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of there's a lot of momentum for people to
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: stay in their silo.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: That is, Yeah, this is going to be a massive
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: paradigm shift, and not just in thinking, but in an
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: operational context. And yeah, like really redefining and refining and
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: creating an entire medical system in Australia at least. I
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if you know the answer to this, but
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you probably do. Which country that you're aware of is
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the closest to actualizing or operationalizing what you're talking about.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're going to say Singapore.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, which country Singapore is? They're in a good path.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: That's a good question. Different countries are doing it in
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: different ways. I think China will do it very they'll
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: do it soon because they're interested in just doing stuff
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: and they get things done when they decide to do it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: There's a few European countries that are much more open
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: than a lot of the rest of the world.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the doctor Have you seen the doctor
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: booths that they have in China where you go into
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: a booth and you have a consult with a medical
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: ai and it prescribes and dispenses drugs all at the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: same time. It's like you know those old photo booths.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I haven't seen that. That is really really cool.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: And so yes, at the same time, there's a lot
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: of countries around the world that would say, how could
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you possibly do that?
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: But if you there's a huge amount of conservativeness that
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: protects development in our medical system, and that's a big
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: thing that happens globally. Like so few people are ready
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: to so few countries are ready to say we are
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: going to take a leap forward. There's a whole lot
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: of reasons for that conservativeness. Obviously, the health is the
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: thing that we've got to be very safe about. You know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: drugs can be really really bad. It's one of those
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: things though that you know, one of the leading causes
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: of death is the wrong prescribed medicine, so the.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And treatment medical basically medical fuck ups the third leading
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: cause of death in America exactly, So not just with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: fucked up prescriptions, but also like leaving things inside people
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: after a surgery, you know, stuff like that. It's crazy.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting to see if who's going
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to line up to get a robotic surgery instead of
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: a human That will be an interesting decision point if
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: you're ever there. But yes, like countries like that, they
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: some of them are just ready to look at the
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: evidence as they are right now. Like there's definitely a
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: thing where it takes seventeen years for research to reach
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: practice in a normalized way, So there is a massive chasm.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: You know, if we were to take all of the
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: information that we have right now at startup breath, get
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: rid of every system, we would be in a completely
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: different place in what we were expecting to deliver in medicine,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: because we have the evidence for so much stuff that
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: just humans are very stubborn. Our organizations are very stubborn
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: when it comes to approving things or making things normalized, unless,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: of course, you know, there's a huge amount of money
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: behind it, and then we can mobilize things in.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Months where we're at where we are at at the moment. Comma,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: are we moving closer towards treating disease still or preventing it?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Are we actually moving closer towards prevention or we are
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: just managing disease better than we used to because we've
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: got more stuff.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think there's some moves.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Towards primary health care, but there's no money for it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: There's not as much money in it, that's for sure.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: We're still we're getting better at managing disease. If we
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: really wanted to solve disease. We have to start with
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: parents having kids. We have to change schools so that
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: they actually align with physiological outcomes of the child, not
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: just sitting still all day hoping to take in information
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: that they get stressed by and not even talking to
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: them about how their body feels and.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: What might optimize their health.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: While we have a generation that has no connection with themselves,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: We're not going to solve the health conditions because no
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: one's going to know to even intercept themselves. But this
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: is where AI actually makes this stuff happen a whole
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: lot faster because the integration of you know, you walk
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: in home and you've got some physiological data that's been
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: picked up by your home system and it said, hey,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: based off your the stress that you've had today, you
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: want to think about this for dinner, and you want
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: to think about these five movements here, and you want
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: to think about getting on the treadmill for ten minutes.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Great, your physiology is back in balance. Well done.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: That is truly what preventative health's got to be in
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: order for it to be really, really effective.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It's got to be real time, it's got.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: To be precise, and it has to account for the
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: individual and be no thinking, because essentially we don't train
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: anybody to think about their health. We train them to
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: do health, but not really interpret the signs and symptoms
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: coming from their body in an intelligent way. And there's
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: an incredible amount of intelligence that comes out of our body,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: and so everything that we've been really doing is how
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: can we capture that intelligence and give it language because
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: we want people to reconnect with themselves because that is
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the pathway back to health.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So there's a whole lot of stuff that needs to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: change for that to occur.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Think about the psychological, emotional, sociological, and physiological consequences of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: putting a kid in an environment and a model of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: teaching and thinking that doesn't work for him or her.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Like the typical classroom, not saying they're bad. Teachers are awesome,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: all of it right, but for this kid, that's not
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the right environment. That is not how he or she learns,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it's inappropriate. It causes the more anxiety than anything else.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: They feel like a bloody square peg in a round hole.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And then thirteen years later they come out and that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: actual experience has caused them to be unwell. Where had
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they been in an appropriate environment and I'm just talking hypothetically.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I know we can't magic all this stuff into existence
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: right now, But had they just done school a different way,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: in a different place, with a different model and a
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: different energy and culture, they would have been fucking awesome.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Perhaps that's kind of your work.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Right, That's exactly what we're doing with schools, and it's
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: exactly what needs to be done. Like, if you like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: schools weren't designed based on this is best for the children.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: The schools were designed based on this is best for
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: factory working. That's exactly how it was designed industry. Yeah, exactly.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So now if we were to strip apart the things
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that we knew about school, we actually develop our children
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to understand themselves.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Like if you look at the most important skills that
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: are going to be relevant in the next ten to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: twenty years for children, it's how well do I know myself?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Can I inquire well, can I problem solve? Can I
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: understand my stress and do.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Something with it? And can I connect with other people?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That is ultimately.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Gold in life, because if you can do those things,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: everything's fine.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But also also what lights me up? Yeah exactly, what
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: do I fucking love?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly, And for some kids that is literally
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: running around climbing trees with friends in competition having fun.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: For another kid, it is sitting in a classroom or
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: in a library by themselves reading books because they just
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: absolutely adore that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But we have a.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Massive bias to think that a kid should sit still
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: and read appropriately, and if they're not, then they've got
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: a pathology. And that's whereas if you take them out
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: of sporting pitch, the kid that likes to sit in
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: the library and read all day, you put.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Them, they look like they've got a pathology.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: But they don't look comfortable out there, They look cold,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: they get hurt, they have no very little stress tolerance
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: in that physical space. But put them into a cognitive
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: capacity where they're using their brain and they've got resilience
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: for dates. So it is all about the setting. And
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: this is the problem. We don't think about the individual.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: We think about how this person's got to fit into
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: this setting, and we.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Make kind of broad sweeping assumptions. We go, oh, he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: really can't concentrate, as you were kind of well, he
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: can concentrate a fucking champion. If you give him the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: right environment and task and thing to focus on, he'll
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: concentrate more than everyone else in the room because he's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: into it. You know, it's like, no, no, he's just
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: not interested in reading a book of fiction about stories
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: about he's not at all fascinated with. But give him
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: some wood and a hammer and a saw and you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't kill himself or whatever. You know, Like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: even with Tiff, I think, you know, there ain't many
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: girls that you go, well, here's a motorbike, and you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: like lots of girls ride bikes, but compared to men,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: it's a very small percentage. And the stuff that lights
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: her up punching people in the face, lifting heavy shit,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: riding motorbikes. You know, it's and there's more than that,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: but you know it's it's like trying to and we
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: joke about this, but it's a bit real. Like if
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you if you tried to, you know, I love you.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: If you try to turn Tiff into like a regular
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what most women are interested in, not all, but you
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: tried to make her a lady, she'd fucking hate it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she should do it. That was so delicates why.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: She's a current member of the Men Shed. She's living
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: her best life with the Fellas, making cupboards for poor people.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You're just digging it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that we're being silly but understanding
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that you know that how does this individual work, not
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: just physiologically but all round. And I mean like also,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're doing something that fulfills you and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: for the most part, you love and you're learning and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you're curious, and it's great, Well, your immune system is
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: going to be doing better. You know, your brain's going
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to be doing better. You're going to be producing different
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: hormones and chemicals that make you feel great because you're
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: living your purpose and you're excited versus surviving this horrible
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: experience that you happen to find yourself in the middle
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of but don't at all.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Like absolutely, And it's a simple thing, like it's a
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: two and a half times in two and a half
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: times reduction in cardiovascial disease for people who have purpose,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: And it's just what else we need to talk what
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: else we need to talk about that when you feel
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: in purpose, your physiology responds and says this is great
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and recovers and you feel more confident and more confident,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: and you know school is not the end all, but I'd.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Even say, just finally.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Before we leave that topic, there are schools in the
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: States right now and I just.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Wish they would come to Australia where they literally get
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: the kids doing two hours of learning per day on
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: AI driven programs and the AI tracks them exactly where
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: they are and then just gives them the next progression,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: next progression, next progression. So learning is.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Gamified, it's specific to the individual. It requires teacher supervision
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and in that they watch the kids do it. But
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: ultimately there's no way that a teacher could teach thirty
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: kids at their level with the next progression in an
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: effective way. And it's just because we have historical systems
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: that are built that way. And these kids, if they're
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: doing three hours a day are opposed to six or
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: seven which is the typical student plus homework. They're getting
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: top marks over in the States from far less work.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And then the rest of their time is well, let's
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: go and build a business. Let's go on plants some trees,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: let's go on connect with some people. Let's actually do
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: what life's about in the first place, rather than just
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: going through this study. So there is really cool stuff
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: going on in that space.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Let's go start a heavy metal band. Hey, tif, I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: want you to look something up for me, please and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: thank you. So I want to know if there's data
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: on so we know. Firstly, just go the average lifespan
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: for men and women. I think it's like, you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: eighty one and eighty four or something. But then see
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: if there's any data on the average health span. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: don't know that there would be because it's a bit
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of a slightly murky term. So let's while TIFF's doing that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So in simple terms, Cam, we're talking about, you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: how long live someone lives. Let's say they live to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: eighty five, and how many of those eighty five years
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: are lived in relatively good health. We would call that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: their health span. Are we working on developing health span
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: or just keeping people alive for longer, just like filling
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: up the holes with medical plugs.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I guess there's a movement of people that are looking
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: to enhance, like to increase lifespan. Like longevity is getting
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: a bunch of noise, and you know, all of the
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: various resveratrol and MN supplements and all this type of
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: stuff that's meant to essentially make your last longer. So
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: there's an awareness of that, and it's all thought to
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: be a lot of it's all thought to be you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: cutting edge.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I've got a sauna for.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: This amount of time, or freeze for this amount of time,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: or whatever it might be. Conservative medicine is they want
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: to keep people alive for longer, and so they're looking
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: for medications with their side effects, and they're looking for
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: so that there's factions of people doing that job, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: in totality we're doing the whole picture. But the interesting
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: thing is that the longevity stuff is thought as a
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: bit fringe, or that there's not enough evidence for it,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: or whatever it might be. And this is the big
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: problem that people miss, is that we've got five thousand
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: years of people trying to enhance the life experience medically,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: you know, Chinese medicine, that's what There was just a
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: bunch of people, experts in their field that dedicated their
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: entire lives, generation after generation too improving the human state.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: And we discard all of that work or the principles
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: that come from it because it's old. And this is
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: something that happens a lot as well. It's not the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: newest stuff that actually solves this problem. We had so
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: many solutions. Every solution that we would need to maximize
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: lifespan has been around for at least three thousand years,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: and that is the right types of foods, the right
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: types of exercise, the right timing, that social connection, having purpose,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: being in the right environment, being adaptable to that environment,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: having work that is purposeful, and living in your natural strengths.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: That's essentially if you can be aligned with the reason
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: that you think you're on the planet, plus doing things
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: to look after your physical vessel and connecting and supporting
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: people around you in a wholesome way, those things themselves
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: have more power for preventing disease, more power for enhancing
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: lifespan than any new cutting edge bloody raiser, laser gun
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: or what. And there's validity to those exercises as well,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: but it's just it's like, because it's so simple and
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: so basic that people don't invest the time or can't
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: make money off it because you know, the patents have
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: lapsed on high intensity excise training or weightlifting, so we
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: can't make money off it, so we can't do it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: So it's just while we talk about.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Moving into the cutting edge, all the cutting edge should
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: be doing is making sure we can do the simple
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: stuff in real time at the time that we need
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: to do it, and we get a better understanding of
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: what our body is actually telling us.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: That's the internal journey.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Actually understanding yourself is the thing that's going to allow
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: us to progress because that improves your relationships, That improves
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: the way that you interact with foods and all those
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: types of things. So I think it's more about integrating
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: these insights into our life so that we don't have
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: to think about it so much because we don't have
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: enough time to teach everybody about it at school.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Thanks sir Tiff. What did you discover if anything?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, Australia, the men's life spans about eighty one years
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: and the health span is seventy one and women at
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: eighty five and seventy three. And the numbers across the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: board sitted around that are that between nine and eleven
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: years for men and twelve and thirteen years for women
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: as in healthy years lost.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, so so still living but not in a healthy state.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. That is that is that is significant like the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and that's not the that's not extreme. That's the average
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: females spends eighty five seventy three twelve years Unwell, that's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: did you Yeah, thanks for that. That's interesting. Hey, Cam,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: have you heard or Tiff, have you heard of a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: guy called his probably the world's is definitely the world's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: richest by a hacker, but famous, well known by a hacker,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson. Yeah, did you read today that he's sick?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? A few days ago here.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's got auto autoimmune gastritis AIG. This incurable
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: condition causes his immune system to attack his stomach, lining
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and pairing his ability to absorb nutrients like iron and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: B twelve. Currently managing it with iron infusions, dietary adjustments.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: You know what, I find sick? Right? So this guy's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. He doesn't tell everyone to do it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: He's just a rich dude who's got lots of dough
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and he's curious. And I don't necessarily like him or
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: dislike him. I'm kind of indifferent. But he's doing lots
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of interesting shit and all of these people have come
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: out and they're happy. He's sick. What the fuck is
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: wrong with people? Like when people with lots of money
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: or fame, fuck up? Oh, they come out of the woodwork.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: People aren't like everyone thinks everyone's essentially good. Yeah, I'm
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: not so sure.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: The you know you're on the right track if you're
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: pissing people off.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And I love I love what this bike is doing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: And the reason why I love it is because his
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: purpose in life is to do this work, and is
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: to spearhead this and is.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: To be the most quantified man on the planet.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: He's actually living in his purpose, which I love, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: then he's sharing about it. He is very balanced with
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the way that he tells people to do it or
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: not do it. And if you look at all of
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: his recommendations, they're actually less complex than what I would
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: give you if I was looking after your health as
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: far as the things at help. So the other thing
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: as well is that if we were to think about
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we're want to get a little
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: bit more purposeful at a higher level here, like of course,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: if he truly wants this, he's got to overcome something
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: like this. And the only reason we say it's incurable
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: is because conventional medicine doesn't cure it. But I guarantee
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: you there.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Are practitioners around the world that have cured this kind
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: of condition.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Before He's just he's just a great body of knowledge
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: to follow, or great a body of a source of information.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: And not to say that it's going to apply to everybody,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: because it won't. But the fact that somebody is chasing
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: their dreams, I love that. And you know what's the
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: harm in him being as healthy and as happy and
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: as fulfilled and that his journey's really changed frohim?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Like, I just need to do the physical things right
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: to you know, measuring the.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Impact of when he connects with his partner, and measuring
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: the impact when his partner's not there or when he travels,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: or even he did a more well did he took
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: some plant medicine a DMT or something like that, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: went off on a journey and came back and said,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: things in my data changed more in the last eight
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: hours than they have in the last six years, or
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: whatever it might be. That's interesting information regardless, And it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: because you've got one bloke. You're you're not slowed down
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: by red tape, You're not slowed down by how long
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: it takes.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: To run a trial. There is real application in.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: What he's doing as far as not just a person
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: following their dreams, but also he's doing everything so transparently,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: with very.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Little ego about I need to be right or wrong.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Of course, he's got some products to sell, but I
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: and I'm not advocating that everybody should do it. He
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: does as far as the interventions, but man, he's he's
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: a trailblazer, and it'll be hopefully.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: He gets looked upon as a guy who.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Actually was doing it well, not just saying I do longevity,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: not just oh yeah, just take this supplement and you'll
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: be fine. It's actually he is seriously going through the
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: ringer to get the insights of you. So I've been
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: obviously I didn't realize how much I've been wanting to
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: speak about him for a while.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm very interested in his journey and what he's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: doing because I think he presents it well.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad I brought it up. I want to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: talk about a couple of things. So God bless my
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: old man. You know, he's nearing the finish line, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he's spent the last week in hospital, and he got
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: moved into high Ke yesterday and this morning without a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: word of a lie. I've been on the phone at
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: least fifteen, I would say twenty times with the hospital
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: with a doctor with records, people with the respite place
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: where he's staying, with pharmacists, like, there's so much shit
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to do and manage, and you know he doesn't know
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: really what's going on, so you know all of this stuff.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: But anyway, what's really been interesting for me is to
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: just observe the like and it's different with different people.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of people it's very gradual, but him, it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: been like a falling off a cliff in the last
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: month or so. But I think I was thinking about
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: last night just because someone I know fell recently, someone
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: who's elderly, and they broke their hip. But they never
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: they never train, they don't like that, don't work out,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: they don't do anything really to stay strong or be strong.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, you know, I think the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: third biggest cause of death in Australia, or I think
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: they call it external death, is like an injury for
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: people over fifty. Number one is falling over right, so
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: age related falls. And then I think how how strong
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: some people are because they train and I don't mean
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: sit in a chair in a room in a circle
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and kick balloons to each other. Nothing wrong with that,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: but probably not we're looking at what we're looking after.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Although Tiff does run a class of that instant Kilda.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: If you're interested in everybody just go to a website
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and it's called the balloon Kicking Class. But yeah, it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like something just as simple, although not comfortable, necessarily easy
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: or quick or fast or instant, but just fucking lifting weights,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: which is such a such a simple, easy to execute thing,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: can have a profound impact on someone's health span just
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: because you think, Okay, you've got better bone density, you've
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: got better strength, you've got better balance, you've got better coordination,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you've got better probably spatial awareness. You can recover if
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you trip, you can recover. You know, there's all these
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: neuro muscular benefits. It's like just doing this one thing,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but people just don't do it because it's inconvenient and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable, but it could literally fucking transform their life.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And we're not talking about looking great. We're not talking
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: about vanity or ego. We're just talking about imagine being
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: eighty and you can pick up your grandkids or great
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: grandkids or whatever and you can play with them, or
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you can jump in your car with no problems and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: drive and get your washing or get your shopping or
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: put it in the car or yeah, versus somebody who
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: really is essentially an eighty year old child being supported
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: by other people, you know, and I'm not talking about
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the genetic part, just the behavioral part.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I agree. Is that a question? I feel like I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: just agree the yeah, the.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I have no doubt you're going to talk for three
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: minutes about that anyway. That's why we've got you. That's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: why we've got you.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And essentially.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: The way, the pathway to this is a full dynamic
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: paradigm change that is required. You know, what the thought
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: was going through my head as you were talking about
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: that was literally having a house where it's going to
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: take you a minute to walk around the central pool
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the house that's got a house
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: around the pool, or you can climb on monkey bars
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: across in ten seconds, or it's going to take you
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: a minute to walk so that at any point, you know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: like there's a treadmill from the bed to the toilet,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: so every time you want to go to the toilet,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: you have to walk one hundred meters, not five. But
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: just our environment needs to change so that we have
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: to move, like because the body literally responds to the
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: environment that we put around it. And guess what happens
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: to older people they use it. It's like they're tired from.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Life because they got to retirement.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Fantastic, And now I get to sit either whether it
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: be in my RV or in front of the couch
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: or with my mates, whatever it might be. As opposed
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: to this is now the time I need to triple
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: down on my strength because every.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Moment that I don't, it's going to go backwards.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: And the really fascinating thing about it, I think about
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: the whole thing is if you take a beautiful study
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: that I saw. This was many years ago at a FILEX,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I presented this one. They took sixty year olds versus
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: twenty year olds and forty year olds and made them
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: do leg weights and they were looking at blood flow.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Blood flow is probably the number one thing that decreases
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: and destroys you over time. And if you're not moving,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: you don't get blood flow. If don't any good nutritionent nutrients,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: you don't get blood flow. It creates insulin resistance and
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of these problems go away as soon as
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: you start moving and you circulate and gets better. So
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: blood flow blood slow blood flow. So what they saw
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: that in twelve weeks, a sixty five year old person's
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: blood flow in their legs return to that of a
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: inactive but twenty year old person in twelve weeks.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, So all of a.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Sudden, you've now got blood flowing to your body like
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you did when you're a healthy twenty year old. Not
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: quite as good as a really active twenty year old,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: but a twenty year old with plenty of resilience in
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: the bank. The same thing goes. They did this great
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: study looking at three times a week exercise and cheer.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I get I have such a problem with people just
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: talking about generic exercise, But I'm talking about principles here,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: and that is they regrew the very important parts of
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: the brain that are associated with dementia or in alzeimers,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: preventing those conditions and made them thicker at the age
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: of seventy over a one year period. But the group
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: that didn't do it got dinner. So what I'm saying is,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: choose the exercise that's right for you. But when you
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: do it, every time you do it, every time, you
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: ask for your body just to put up with a
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: little bit of extra stress. It has to respond, particularly
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: if you get enough sleep, and when it responds, all
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: of of a sudden, you get stronger. Now, if we
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: look at health ban lifespan stuff, we know that people
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: get weaker from forty five. So if you're getting stronger
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: after forty five, if you're fifty and weak and fifty
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: one you're stronger, you've anti aged physiologically.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And people don't like that that the word's anti aging
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: in some instances. But I guess what I'm trying to
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: say is.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Like you're saying, it is incredibly preventable, and it is
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: never too late. People will get muscle gains into their
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: eighth and ninth and tenth decades.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: It doesn't stop.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: It just depends on what are you allowing your body
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: to think is its best environment. And if you're sitting
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: on a couch all day, it gets rid of all
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: the stuff that it needs that's not essential to sitting
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: on a couch, so your muscles and your bones aren't
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: relevant for that, And if anything, it helps you for
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: a little bit heavier, so you sit on the couch
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit deeper, so your body just adapts to
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: the environment.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: So we've got to change the.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Environment I've while you've been banging on there, which was
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: all very good. I was thinking about if I designed
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a house for someone old like you can and let's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: say there's no in inverted commons floor in the house.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: All there is in the house is just everywhere a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: little series of steps, three or four steps with a
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: platform up one side, down the other right. They're all
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: over the joint. You can only get to another room
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: by walking up and down these steps. And where there
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: can't be steps, the whole house, the whole floor is
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: soft sand, so to walk anywhere it's twice as much
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: work and effort and load right as walking on a
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: firm surface. It's unstable, so you've got to use your stabilizers.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And if you happen to fall over and not hit
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the steps, of course you land in soft sand. So
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I might launch that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: I love it if you did put some squishy stuff
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: on top of the stairs. You solve the danger problem
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: and you make the stairs unstable as well. But I'll
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: add to that. They did a trial on this. They
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: took a bunch and I know that we were right at time.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: So they took a bunch of seven year olds and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: put them into a house.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: So you probably know about this study.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Put him into a house that looked felt melt and
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: had the TV stations of when they were twenty five,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: and they watched their physiology.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Over a couple of weeks, they went in hobbling.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: By the time they drove past the house two weeks later,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: this group of people were out the front playing touch
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: footy and the beat had got longer, the stretch chemicals
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: had come down harder, these risk factors were down. They
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: essentially got younger because they put themselves into the mindset
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: of the either and that is a very very interesting
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: kind of expose a into the environment.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Does truly matter?
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a whole lot of really interesting quantum
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: stuff that comes along to that as well.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: But we can talk about.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: That and that bumps in to the plus ebo stuff
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like what you think is going on? You know that's
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: right mate. How do people find you and follow you?
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Just google doctor cam McDonald, Shay Group, Shae Group.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And you'll find a website.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: It's got all of the information on the stuff that
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: we do for digital twins, for people, health professionals, corporate
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: well being schools, all of it. You can just get
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: in touch there and doctor carm McDonald on Instagram just
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: aw one word lowercase, and doctor car McDonald on LinkedIn.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: It's all it's all that standard stuff, you know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I love that we get you for free. It's I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: feel a bit cheap, but I do. I'm being honest.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks mate, we'll say goodbye fair Tiffany and Cook. Thank you.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: What are you at the Men's Shared today or is
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it tomorrow?
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Always mate, a right every day holding the fort.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you would. You do security, don't you. Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you'd be great at that. The boys. I love you,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: see Doc