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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP36 - Ancestor Veneration: Connections To The Past, Present & Future · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  topic. For this week's podcast was to
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  talk about ancestor veneration and how basically how it affects
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  or impacts Us in the past or how it impacts past present and
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  future. or something along those lines, and I got to thinking
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  about it and I thought sure why not.
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  And the reason why I thought it would be a good topic to go over
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  this time of year or, you know, this particular week is, you
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  know, for a lot of a lot of Norse pagans, we've just passed
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  the winter nights. Victor Netter that their nature
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  celebration, so that time of the month of the, of the Harvest
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  month house mother Where we will celebrate winter nights, the
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  onset of winter as it were. And during that time during
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  those celebrations, it's tradition to have a very
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  specific Focus towards. And on our ancestors, it almost
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  lines up with and in some ways the the upcoming Salman for
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  other types of pay. Egan's, you know, and not to say
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  that there aren't Norse pagans. That's that do also observe the
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  Salomon sabot which is again, it's a Wiccan Sabbat but some
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  pagans will try to blend the two, you know, saying that it's
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  the same thing or that there's but it's not it.
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  They're definitely two different things and but the types of
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  things that we think about this time of year, right?
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  We hear about Thinning of the veil, you know, around the
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  Salomon and Halloween, you know, times and we're definitely you
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  know in that in that mindset in that mode where for a lot of us,
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  you know, we feel much closer to our dearly departed there.
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  There there things that happen we have encounters.
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  We have experiences probably, that would be classified in most
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  Norse he's and Norse Heathen or in Germanic Pagan definitions,
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  as UPG, you know, it's that woohoo type stuff.
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  That's not necessarily rooted in historical facts but that's not
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  that's not what's important right now?
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  What's important is that during this time of year for a lot of
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  pagans not just romantic pagans. There is a there is a focus on
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  ancestors and our ancestors and venerating them.
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  Now as a general rule, right there's the the practice of ants
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  Sir veneration is something that I think a lot of us as pagans
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  keep going year round, it's not that we just stop doing it and
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  only do it once a year or at certain holidays or holy tides
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  are high fees or anything like that but we tend to at certain
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  and specific ones, we tend to have a very again focused
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  approach to that all. and, I don't know when I got to
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  thinking about Greg's, you know, suggestion and Past present
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  future. Right?
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  What what has been? What is happening.
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  Now, what's already happened? What is happening now?
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  And what could happen? Here's my whole thing about
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  ancestor veneration. I think you get enough people in
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  a room and you start talking about it.
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  You'll probably hear a lot of the same responses, but first of
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  all, what is it? What is, what are we talking
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  about? Ancestor veneration ancestor
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  worship. It's the it means exactly what
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  it's, you know, it means exactly what it says, we are venerating
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  or honoring our are our ancestors.
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  The people who have died before us, who are no longer with us
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  who have been a part of our lives and who have lived lives
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  that have ultimately led to us existing.
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  And why do we do it? Why is ancestor veneration so
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  important? Now, I've talked about death in
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  a heathen world view context, or, you know, death in the
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  afterlife, in a separate video, I'll put that down in the, in
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  the show, notes of the podcast and in the description of the
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  video for those that are interested in checking it out.
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  But in that video, I refer to how important ancestor
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  veneration was to our Sisters. Because it was believed and it's
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  in. It's gonna I think very little
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  bit from region to region or locality.
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  There's going to be certain nuances that that varier differ
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  from from place to place. But overall in general it was
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  believed that just as the family protects you and you know, the
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  family unit is protecting each other in life that in death. the
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  family also is protected by your ancestors and you do things up
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  to and leading and in their final moments and during their
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  like the death ceremonies and all that took sort of thing, the
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  burial rites and what not you do though you do things to secure
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  that continued protection over over the family which is why we
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  see Items being buried with with people, especially those of high
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  status in society Nobles and stuff, which you know who were
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  buried with weapons and, you know, valuables and all sorts of
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  things. But it was, it was done because
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  The Hope was that the Comforts and the amenities and the things
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  that they had in life that made their life, their physical life,
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  so meaningful. And enjoyable.
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  That the things that they continue to experience their
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  their next stage of life, because death was not an end and
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  it is not an end, death is not the end of of everything.
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  It's the transition into other things, and it's a transition
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  into a new form of existence, in a new type of living.
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  You know, the physical body, the shell this outer form is what
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  eventually dies, but the the parts of our soul, the various
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  parts of ourselves, do not die. We are continue to go on and so
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  putting those items in the grave and sending off your ancestors
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  are sending off those loved ones, who become ancestors with
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  those things was to sort of be like, okay we had a good here.
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  Now you're going to have a good where you go next wherever That
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  maybe you know and so with those types of traditions I mean we
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  even see some customs like that living now.
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  And today, we're you know, I've I've been to plenty funerals and
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  stuff of loved ones where heirlooms or keepsakes and other
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  things are given to the deceased and present it in a way that you
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  know, is is a gift, and it's in a sort of way and while the The
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  meaning behind it is perhaps different.
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  I think the spirit behind it hasn't changed, you know?
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  Or the reason why we do it is we want we want to know that a
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  piece of us goes with them or that they always stay with us in
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  that sort of way and so the gesture carries with it I think
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  the same Meaning so maybe maybe the meaning itself has a change.
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  They ultimately the spirit of it of the ACT remains remains true,
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  right? So looking at it from from, I
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  guess, you know, like a heathen perspective still we we come
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  from the past, you know, that the past is gone.
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  All right, we've already lived it.
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  Even. So far as what I said, moments
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  ago is part of the past. Now, you know, when you started
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  watching this episode of random human ramblings podcast, it's in
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  the past now. And now we are in the in the, in
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  the present. But the Present is constantly
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  moving and taking being taken over by the past.
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  You know, ordered is constantly filling in the gap of better
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  than D. So we live in the here and now,
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  but we are always moving towards screwed.
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  The the future, we are always moving towards that that next
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  thing. So, with, with ancestor
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  veneration we are, we are continuing and feeding the fire
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  of tradition. We are at, we are always Wanting
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  to remember the love, the memory.
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  The the fair, Fame of those who have earned it and keep that
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  memory alive, through engaging, with that person or persons in a
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  similar fashion as if they were still sitting here across our
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  muster next to us, you know, and still breathing the same air
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  that we breathe and still living in a form that we can.
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  Visually identify and be close to.
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  It's a we and we do it because of the things that those people
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  did in the past they had great greatness about them.
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  You know, they they did great Deeds, they accomplish great
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  things. They served honorably, they
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  whatever their actions were, whatever their deeds were
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  carried with them. A deal of Honor and a deal of
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  respect and to forget that into into not venerate that it's not
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  honor that to not worship that. In a way, does our ancestors of
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  the service in it as the way I feel.
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  At least, it keeps them further away from us and further away
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  from their protection because the why would you want
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  protection from? Relative, right?
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  It was believed and I believe that they are the ones who have
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  our best interests in at heart and in their minds to.
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  They want us to succeed. They want us to do great things
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  just like they did because it perpetuates and it continues the
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  Legacy it in it and it feeds the well and it strengthens that
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  that that that that At how media the the family luck.
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  It's a living thing. And so to not do things to feed
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  that weakens it. It would be like, no stopping
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  the nurturing of a plant as you're trying for it to grow.
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  If you stop watering it, if you stop, you know, nurturing it
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  with compost and sorts of stuff to to give it good growth,
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  right? If you just neglect it and kind
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  of let it do, its thing it's not going to grow a strong and it's
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  going To become a shell of what its potential potential could
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  be. And so in a much more I think
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  complex way the veneration of our ancestors, the worship of
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  our ancestors feeds that The Roots, You Know, It nurtures,
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  the roots and it keeps things alive and well and keeps our
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  connection between one another strong and our bond remains
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  strong. And so therefore, they want us
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  to to do well and they will have Help us do well, their strength
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  is our strength. Their luck is our luck, you
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  know. So when you see people who are
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  succeeding well and doing well in life, it could be said that
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  they have strong humming. You, you know, they have us,
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  they have that strong family luck tied to them, and it's
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  likely, you know, without knowing them closely or
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  whatever. It's likely that they've,
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  they've maintained a strong connection between themselves
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  and their Departed ancestors. So it's again, it's feeding its
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  feeding the wealth, and keeping that connection of the past
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  close to further build and strengthen the present.
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  So, by doing that, it kind of goes again hand in hand, and
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  it's all interconnecting. It's all interwoven, it's where
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  weird comes in. There's this, there's this luck
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  that, that that's occurring and that's happening.
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  And and In the, the luck is. It's either good or bad, it is
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  what it is. It's both things.
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  It's not, you know, all good, it's not all bad.
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  But you get that inheritance from that or they'll where we
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  call follow the inherited. Heritance of your ancestors fed
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  down through, you know, your ancestral line.
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  So doing those things, keeping connected to your ancestors.
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  Whether it be, you know, a lot of folks will have like an
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  ancestral Shrine or altar, where it's nothing.
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  It photos memorabilia tokens, what knots tied to their to
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  their family line to their ancestors?
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  I've been in places where an entire entryway or entire
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  stairwell. My parents house at one point in
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  time, was kind of like this, where, you know, the stairs
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  going up to our house, our old house on Long Island was nothing
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  but family photos of my my grandparents my mom and dad's
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  you know, parents and then their parents and all the cousins and
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  uncles and you know stuff of like all the family stuff and it
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  was like this. Again, it was like it was just
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  this wall of fame as it where you know.
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  So every time you would go up and down the stairs you would
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  look see and be reminded then I've been in places like that
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  where you know, the whole I don't know foyer as it were was
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  was nothing but items dedicated to, you know, family members and
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  stuff. So it's definitely something
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  that a lot of pagans not just dramatic pagans have a sense of
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  and, you know, I think ancestor veneration is, is a rich
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  tradition in a lot of cultures. Not just northern European or
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  Germanic cultures, but all over the world, and so again, feeding
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  that Feeding those memories of the past and being reminded and
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  bringing them to the surface and not letting them sink to the
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  bottom of the, well, you know, not allowing them to be
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  forgotten, keeps them close to us.
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  So once again, you know, the the past is the past and it is
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  constantly being taken over by verdande, which is moving, which
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  is the now the here. And now the present and will
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  always moving towards the future screws.
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  So there we go. It again, it kind of all it all
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  intertwines, and it's all interwoven.
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  We are doing the things to keep those ancestors close to us from
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  the past and keeping them with us, in the present to secure and
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  build a strong tomorrow, you know, for our, our family.
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  So that way, our descendants have the same luck that our
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  ancestors before them, or before us gave to us at once.
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  They when we become ancestors, they have that same luck to pull
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  from or to draw from, or to, you know, benefit from.
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  So how is that, you know, how is that all play out?
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  Well, the Deeds, the things that our ancestors did were whether
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  they realize it or not laying down, the groundwork laying down
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  that Foundation laying down that.
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  Yeah, that that Foundation to build upon And then when in when
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  they be going to the halls of hell and then return to their
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  their the halls of their ancestors.
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  Now they're like, well, my descendants are going to either
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  take this or leave it and we do them a disservice.
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  If we don't take what was given to us and move towards building
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  a future. For the next stage of people for
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  the next group of descendants to, to carry it on.
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  Now it does, it does bear, you know, Mentioning here, that when
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  we talk about ancestor veneration, I hear it.
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  You know, one of the arguments are one of the things that
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  people bring up is well, you know, some of my ancestors were
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  real dirt bags, you know? And I don't want to remember
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  them. I don't want them to be
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  remembered. I think they were, they were
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  trash. They didn't, they did horrible
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  things, you know. Look, everybody's family has
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  got, you know, that crazy uncle or that, that that, you know,
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  that bad apple. You know, everybody's got a sour
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  apple in the bunch and you don't have to, you know, they are
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  still your ancestors, right? You know, and they still were
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  part of life, and then part of their life is part of yours, you
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  inherit it all. Again, it goes back to the whole
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  concept of luck. It's, you know, you don't pick
• 26:40
  and choose what you were what hand you were.
• 26:43
  You were dealt. But what you can do, is you can
• 26:46
  decide what, part of that hand you want to play?
• 26:50
  And what part of that hand you want to discard and leave alone
• 26:54
  and if it's not worth perpetuating, if it's if it if
• 26:57
  it's not worth hanging on to then let it go and let it sink
• 27:02
  to the bottom of the well, and then add more positive and good
• 27:07
  layers to offset that. That's, you know, that, that
• 27:11
  negativity, that that muck that Meyer, you know, kind of like
• 27:15
  how water, and oil separate, let it slip that separation
• 27:19
  occurring. It now build on the layer that's
• 27:22
  above to further again, strengthen and secure, you know,
• 27:27
  better things for the future. So is it complicated?
• 27:35
  I don't really think it is. I think, you know, for people
• 27:38
  that are maybe new and coming into this, they may get hung up
• 27:41
  on the fact that you know, especially if they've come from
• 27:45
  a background of Worshipping a singular monotheistic.
• 27:49
  God. that you know that could maybe present some challenges of
• 27:55
  just getting used to the idea of, you know, Actually
• 28:02
  worshipping your ancestors, praising them speaking.
• 28:05
  Well of them, giving them gifts leaving them, you know, tokens
• 28:10
  of things that, you know, you know, like let's say I've done
• 28:15
  this before, like I knew my grandmother loved to drink
• 28:18
  Scotch and I still drink Scotch on a regular basis.
• 28:21
  Do I do it to honor her and I maybe not in the day to day or
• 28:26
  the week to week occurrences of it, right?
• 28:28
  But every I might have a drink of scotch, I can't help, but
• 28:33
  think of her, and I can't help. But think of, you know, what we
• 28:37
  would be doing together, sharing a glass of scotch, the things we
• 28:41
  would be talking about, you know, and Even though she's not
• 28:49
  physically alive, I can and do have a drink with my grandmother
• 28:58
  from time to time. you know, stuff like that or maybe a meal,
• 29:03
  you know, if you know of a I don't know about particular.
• 29:09
  food, item or recipe, you know, you're you're making your
• 29:14
  grandma's, you know, chicken pot pie or you making your
• 29:19
  grandfather's, you know, Grilled steak or whatever it is you know
• 29:25
  I'm saying. Having them, you know, those
• 29:30
  recipes? Yeah, sure.
• 29:31
  That's it's just the recipe. But like again, having that
• 29:34
  memory of where it came from. You know, you can kind of insert
• 29:38
  that into that, that, that Hearth cult practice of
• 29:41
  venerating your ancestors, because that's what it is.
• 29:43
  You're right, that's ultimately what it is.
• 29:45
  It's a hard call, it's an individual practice that
• 29:49
  surrounds your Hearth cult and with Germanic Pagan specifically
• 29:54
  today, at one of the big things lacking Is building of Hearth
• 30:00
  cult and having a hearth cult and knowing what it is that your
• 30:04
  Hearth called is and practicing it before you worried about, you
• 30:08
  know, how do I do bloat? How do I sacrifice to the gods?
• 30:10
  How do I, you know, have ritual with a group of people and do
• 30:15
  all these things to do that are you know yes important and have
• 30:18
  a place, but do you even have your Hearth cult in place.
• 30:24
  Do you even? Have those, those things that,
• 30:28
  you know, are and should know are closer to you than the gods,
• 30:32
  you know, your ancestors, the whites, the the, the Fate here,
• 30:36
  all of those components of this particular branch of paganism.
• 30:42
  All of those living, again, I say living in the sense that
• 30:46
  they are living in a different way than we are, you know, they
• 30:50
  live and exist in the spirit form but they still share Space
• 30:56
  with us, you know it's just there on the other side of that
• 31:01
  again the term Veil, right? Where the veil is thin, and the
• 31:04
  thing of the belts while we feel like so close to our ancestors
• 31:07
  and stuff, this time of year with regards to that is because
• 31:10
  it's a time of year where that the separation between the where
• 31:15
  the living and the dead are is the lines and standard are not
• 31:20
  so clearly drawn out anymore, you know?
• 31:22
  It's a bit muddled. So we use that and we tap into
• 31:29
  some of these types of things this time of year.
• 31:31
  And so as you're thinking about, you know, your ancestors and
• 31:37
  maybe maybe you're a Germanic Pagan who's just gone through
• 31:41
  the winter nights thing and then did things with your with your
• 31:44
  people, or maybe you just did something at home and it was a
• 31:47
  privately closed off sort of event, right?
• 31:50
  Because we have examples of both being done and The text, you
• 31:57
  know, we have the Norwegian model of house bloat or winter
• 32:02
  nights, which was a very private and closed off event, then
• 32:06
  versus the Swedish model, which was the kind of a public to do,
• 32:10
  you know, in a public celebration where more people
• 32:12
  were involved, but maybe it was again, one of the one of the
• 32:15
  other and ancestor acknowledgement.
• 32:19
  Ancestor veneration was a key component to that or maybe
• 32:23
  you're a different type of pagan listening and watching and you
• 32:26
  are approaching and looking forward to Samhain, you know,
• 32:29
  coming up where you've you've got some of those similar things
• 32:33
  that you're thinking about and how it can, how it can work for
• 32:38
  your benefit. Either way, whichever your
• 32:41
  approaches and however you take it.
• 32:44
  I feel like if we, Start to really put a put an emphasis on
• 32:53
  Hearth. Cult are individual cultic
• 32:56
  practices in our hearts and homes and really drawing that
• 33:02
  out and really building that out to something of, you know, that
• 33:05
  we have our own Traditions that we are doing because that's how
• 33:09
  it was back in the day. Man.
• 33:10
  Like every, every Hut every family, every Clan and whatever
• 33:13
  did things their way. And that's that's that.
• 33:15
  That was their tradition, right? What are your And you don't you
• 33:19
  know that's not that's rhetorical, right?
• 33:21
  I'm not going to sit here and say, well what here's what my
• 33:24
  heart cult practices are. That's my heart called practice.
• 33:28
  It's private and only share that with certain people.
• 33:30
  If at all. But it's a question, you should
• 33:34
  ask yourself, you know, instead of going straight to the what do
• 33:39
  I do with the gods? How do I do this with the gods
• 33:41
  and the sacred, and the Divine? You know, I think once you
• 33:45
  figure out your Hearth cult, once you've got that nailed
• 33:49
  down, once you've got your individual cultic practices,
• 33:55
  solid with, with your ancestors, with the whites of the VTA, or
• 33:59
  however you want to call them, then the next stage of things
• 34:03
  where you're going to be interacting with, you know, the
• 34:07
  big boys as it were then, you know, the gods and the sacred
• 34:10
  becomes Easier. You know you've already got the
• 34:15
  the groundwork laid, you've already got it stuff that you do
• 34:21
  it again mirrors in a similar way.
• 34:23
  Yes, there are certain things especially if you take it from
• 34:25
  like a historical approach, you know like faintings and
• 34:27
  offerings are not the same thing as bloat and bloat is only done
• 34:31
  to the gods and it's very specific.
• 34:34
  If you're going to take it from a historical approach.
• 34:38
  It's you know you don't blow to your ancestors, you bloat to the
• 34:41
  gods. It's Then that's it.
• 34:45
  But I think again, I think before you approach it before
• 34:50
  you approach, you know, and then step into the deep end.
• 34:53
  You gotta know how to Wade through the through the shallow
• 34:57
  end and get your footing and get all that established, first and
• 35:00
  foremost. So kind of just to recap, you
• 35:07
  know, I mean Greg's Greg's question about, you know,
• 35:09
  ancestor veneration and how it should have read it down, wrote
• 35:15
  it down, or I should have had it looked looking at here, but I
• 35:18
  want to see it. It was, it was something along
• 35:21
  the lines of the How does it? How does it?
• 35:30
  Impact. Past present and future.
• 35:35
  And I know impact isn't the isn't the right word?
• 35:38
  So let me, let me just do this. Let me quit talking about it and
• 35:41
  let me just find it. Do the right thing.
• 35:46
  Jesse stop trying to Stop trying to.
• 35:54
  Yeah, connected. How ancestor work.
• 35:57
  Keeps us connected. The both past present and
• 36:02
  future. So I think you know how it keeps
• 36:05
  us connected. There you go.
• 36:08
  It keeps us connected to the Past because we are maintaining
• 36:12
  those connections. We are maintaining those ties
• 36:14
  through frequent activity, through frequent work with, with
• 36:19
  our ancestors, gifting to them singing their songs talking
• 36:24
  about, their great Deeds, mentioning them during our meals
• 36:28
  having little little customs and stuff that we do too, you know.
• 36:35
  Keep their Fair Fame and their memory alive.
• 36:39
  That's how it keeps us connected to the past.
• 36:42
  And it's funny that you say, you know, connecting to the Past
• 36:45
  because there's this, there's this, there's this meme that I
• 36:49
  see float around and I call it a mean but it's like the, it's it,
• 36:52
  I guess, you know, I understand the sentiment.
• 36:53
  And it means well, but it's like a picture of whatever the guys
• 37:00
  name was that played Ragnar Travis.
• 37:03
  Lawrence whatever we have to do is name, was that played Ragnar
• 37:07
  in Vikings, right? He's looking all looking all
• 37:14
  badass, whatever. He's got that.
• 37:17
  Wild hairdo and stuff probably covered in like blood or
• 37:21
  whatever. But it's a cookie and I think
• 37:23
  they're even trying to say that it was like a quote by Ragnar or
• 37:26
  something. I don't know, maybe it was, I
• 37:27
  haven't watched the show in a long time.
• 37:29
  Anyway, the words on the mean were stopped looking behind.
• 37:36
  So, you know, stop looking, you know, stop looking in the past,
• 37:38
  you're not going that way, right?
• 37:41
  You guys have probably seen, you know what I'm talking about?
• 37:43
  That thing. It's ironic, you know where,
• 37:47
  Like, all these people like, yeah, you know, keep moving
• 37:49
  forward and do know. And then in the same breath,
• 37:53
  they're like, well, they didn't do it that way back.
• 37:56
  Then you got to maintain true to the Traditions.
• 37:58
  Like but you just said, don't look back because you're not
• 38:01
  going that way. It's kind of like it's
• 38:04
  contradictory again. I understand like the meaning of
• 38:07
  the meme and it doesn't necessarily but it is it's
• 38:11
  ironic and say yeah, don't look behind.
• 38:13
  You don't look to the Past because you're not going that
• 38:15
  way. And yet you want to get stuck
• 38:16
  on. On people, you know, and can cry
• 38:19
  about people not doing things the way they did it, you know, a
• 38:21
  thousand years ago. But there is an important
• 38:25
  element of the past that we need to remain that needs to be
• 38:28
  connected to. There's like a Lifeline that
• 38:30
  needs to be preserved. You know, that that route line
• 38:35
  as it were Taproot. Maybe this is a good definition
• 38:41
  or word for it is to, you know, keep some sort of connection to
• 38:45
  the Past because again, it's what got us here, but feed it to
• 38:50
  the point of nurturing, it and allowing the growth to continue
• 38:54
  and then that's what strengthens us in the here.
• 38:58
  And now and as future goes ahead of us.
• 39:02
  You know, the things that we do today are That's for tomorrow
• 39:06
  and the next day and the next day and the next day.
• 39:07
  And so as long as we as I was saying before, you know, weird
• 39:13
  takes over, put it on D and then bird on D, you know, school or a
• 39:18
  school takes over dondi. And so it's like this constant
• 39:24
  You know, it's overlapping. It's inner woven Overlapping is
• 39:29
  probably a good, you know, analogy I guess you could say.
• 39:32
  It's just, you know, if you think about this, this line
• 39:34
  moving and then the stage of the line is always changing because
• 39:37
  what was here in the present is now in back here in the past and
• 39:40
  then what was up here in the future?
• 39:42
  The present is now the future. It's just how it constantly
• 39:46
  goes. And so, Ancestor veneration
• 39:52
  helps on all three. You know, helps all three parts.
• 39:59
  So as we move into Shadow move the week into Shadow moon, this
• 40:04
  is the last time I'm going to talk about it in the future
• 40:07
  sense, right? The next time, I will be talking
• 40:11
  about it at least in a podcast, will be in the past.
• 40:14
  Sense is in, it is now in the realm of loot.
• 40:17
  But as we talk about it right now, it is in the realm of their
• 40:19
  don, t it is what is to come. Our sorry, it is in the realm of
• 40:22
  school, that is what is to come talking about.
• 40:24
  It is in the realm of better than the and even at the point
• 40:28
  of view guys, listen and watch. That's right.
• 40:30
  I've already talked about this days prior so you're hearing.
• 40:37
  I'm hearing it again or you're, you know, you're hearing it for
• 40:39
  the first time, but it's already been spoken.
• 40:43
  So my words come to you from the past.
• 40:48
  Like a history book like, like already written down thing.
• 40:53
  I don't know. You could get, you could get
• 40:54
  really weird into it all. And if I had other people to
• 40:57
  talk about, when I'm sure we could really break out into some
• 41:00
  really wild philosophical type conversations, but it's just me.
• 41:05
  And so now you just have this Sort of one-way street that has
• 41:12
  multiple Ali's that, we sometimes go down and find, you
• 41:16
  know, certain trash cans to bang and certain Windows to knock on
• 41:19
  and then it's out here back into the main road on to the next
• 41:25
  station. You know, wherever that where
• 41:27
  that is. So yeah, there you go.
• 41:31
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• 41:34
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• 41:38
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• 43:00
  ancestors smile upon you.