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INTERVIEW: Ex-DNC Chair Jaime Harrison On Civilian Life, Biden's Decline, Toxic Democrats, New Podcast + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Every day clicks up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: Finish for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy we
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  Speaker 3: are the breakfast Club. La La Rosa is here as well.
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  Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 4: He's at our table.
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  Speaker 5: He's an attorney.
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  Speaker 3: He's a politician and is the former chair of the
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  Speaker 3: d n C Y d n C.
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  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, we have Jamie Harrison.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you all so much
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  Speaker 2: for how are you, my Caroline bread Man. I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. You know, I'm not traveling as much like
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  Speaker 2: shuddling the kids back and forth from uh soccer practice
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  Speaker 2: and swimming lessons and violin lessons and all that other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Now I can just be a dad. And then I
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  Speaker 2: got my podcast stuff, so you know, it's it's it's different,
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  Speaker 2: but it's good to be able to be at home
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  Speaker 2: with my kids and my wife and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: of course, my blood pressure still goes up when all
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  Speaker 2: those I see all this crazy shit it's happening.
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  Speaker 6: How do politicians adjust when you that transition, Like, do
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  Speaker 6: you ever fully just relax?
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  Speaker 2: It's a hard adjustment. It really is, because you when
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  Speaker 2: you are in the mix all the time and in
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  Speaker 2: the storm, like all you know is how to deal
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  Speaker 2: with like buckling down for that. And so when you
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  Speaker 2: get a time where it's sort of peaceful, you don't
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  Speaker 2: know what to do with yourself, right, And so you
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  Speaker 2: get online and you start seeing things and it starts
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  Speaker 2: stirring you up, and you just get a little unhinged.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm just happy that I got this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: podcast and all this other stuff that I'm doing. Is
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  Speaker 2: it gives me an outlet to get some of that out,
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  Speaker 2: because otherwise, I mean, I just I'll be bouncing off
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  Speaker 2: the walls.
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  Speaker 1: And what you saw yourself doing after being formed of
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  Speaker 1: danc ship.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Charlete, I didn't know what the hell
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to do. I mean, I had hoped that
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris would have won. And she say, Jamie, why'd
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  Speaker 2: you go be ambassador over there? I don't know, there's
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  Speaker 2: some you know, Yeah, so somewhere, you know, my wife
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  Speaker 2: and I can relax and invit y'all over, you know,
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  Speaker 2: come down to the ambassador's residence in the Bahamas and
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  Speaker 2: we But I don't know, I am I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what I wanted to do, and I think I'm at
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  Speaker 2: one of those I'll be fifty next year. I'm at
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  Speaker 2: one of those midlife not a crisis, but a crossroads,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you're just trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do with the next phase of my life.
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  Speaker 2: And the one thing I like a Democrat.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I've the whole party.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're You're right, it is a whole party. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, the one thing I do know is and
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  Speaker 2: and this is the you know, it's like ten toes
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  Speaker 2: down on it. I see where the country is going,
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  Speaker 2: and I see so many reflections of what we grew
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  Speaker 2: up in in South Carolina, and I just know that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to allow my sons to grow up
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  Speaker 2: in a world like my grandparents grew up in. So
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  Speaker 2: I got to figure out what it is that I
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  Speaker 2: have to do in order to prevent that from happening.
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  Speaker 2: Because more a little by little, every day we see
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  Speaker 2: something new. But that's that's my one commitment that I
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  Speaker 2: know that I am definitely set on. You know, we've
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  Speaker 2: got to figure out ways for this to be better,
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  Speaker 2: because right now it's scary to.
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  Speaker 5: The chair of the DNC. What was your position? What
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  Speaker 5: was your job?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the chair of the DNC is very
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  Speaker 2: different when you have the White House and when you
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  Speaker 2: don't have the White housees break it down. So the
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  Speaker 2: Democratic National Committee is, in essence, it's the organization, a
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  Speaker 2: national organization for the Democratic Party. We've got fifty seven
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  Speaker 2: states and territories that all have state Democratic parties and
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  Speaker 2: they all work with me. Now I'm not their boss.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of a partnership but collaboration. And what we
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  Speaker 2: really do is we're the infrastructure for the party. So
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  Speaker 2: the people who knock on doors, the people who make
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  Speaker 2: phone calls, the volunteers making sure that resources are on
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  Speaker 2: the ground to do those type of things. And when
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  Speaker 2: you have the White House, what you become is in
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  Speaker 2: essence an extension of the White House political team, your boss.
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  Speaker 2: Like instead of people say, well, you're the chair of
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  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, No, I'm a conduit in this system, right,
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  Speaker 2: I get my instructions from the White House on what
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  Speaker 2: to do. Now, Kim Martin, who's a new DNC chair,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have a boss, right, because there's nobody in
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  Speaker 2: the white House. When you have the White House, the
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  Speaker 2: president is the head of the party. When you don't
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  Speaker 2: have the White House, it is very diffuse, is broken down.
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  Speaker 2: And so what you do at the DNC is you
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  Speaker 2: build the infrastructure for the next campaigns, the next elections
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  Speaker 2: that take place, like the door knockers, whether they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do the party hasn't done registration really the way
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  Speaker 2: that needs to. But all of those things that you
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  Speaker 2: see on campaigns, that's what the DNC does. And it
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  Speaker 2: works with his other sister committees, the d Triple C,
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  Speaker 2: which is the Congressional Campaign Committee, the d SEC, which
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  Speaker 2: is a Senate campaign committee. So you don't control the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing. You just get a slice of the ply
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  Speaker 2: and you just try to focus your energy on building
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  Speaker 2: up that infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: So there was always rumored that the DNC were the
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  Speaker 3: ones that you know, quote unquote picked who they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: To be and that's that's a bunch of belonging to
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  Speaker 2: stop it, Jamie Man.
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  Speaker 5: But that's what they say, that they picked somebody who president.
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  Speaker 2: I am telling you truth, tell me the power I
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  Speaker 2: have to pick if I'm the DNC chair, what what
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  Speaker 2: power do I have the pick? Like people say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you could have told Joe Biden to not run like seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, said I could have.
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  Speaker 2: I could have. And do you think he would have listened?
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  Speaker 2: This is the most powerful No? No, what about to
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  Speaker 2: your point, he didn't listen. Somebody did listen to him.
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  Speaker 2: He did listen to somebody. Finally, No, I think everybody
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  Speaker 2: should have told him earlier. I think ultimately what the
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  Speaker 2: president saw was that this fight is actually tearing the
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  Speaker 2: party apart. And I don't want that to be on me.
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  Speaker 1: Stop it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not You're not beholding to them.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not about being beholden to too old.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knew he was too old, But Charlotte, he should
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  Speaker 1: have been a transitional president from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte, Man, I get all of that. I get all
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  Speaker 2: of that, But you know what, somebody should have stepped up.
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  Speaker 2: If people thought that Joe Biden was too old, then
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  Speaker 2: some real people should have stepped up and said, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna run.
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  Speaker 4: But.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all kick him out.
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  Speaker 2: Look is Dean feeling serious? It don't matter?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, honest, Jamie, you're acting like that is you're
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  Speaker 1: acting like that is the normal process of things. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: just challenge the sitting president. You know, y'all you know
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  Speaker 1: y'all crucified people for that.
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  Speaker 2: But well you're telling me, you're saying, well, that's not
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  Speaker 2: the normal, And you're saying, is it normal for the
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  Speaker 2: DNC chair to say, mister President, you need to sit down?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, nor no, No, If George Clooney can say it,
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  Speaker 1: if Charlamage can say it, if all the people who
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  Speaker 1: are not in politics can say it. But y'all, Jake
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  Speaker 1: taple book I read the book said everybody walked up
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  Speaker 1: and you shook your hand.
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  Speaker 2: That's a bunch of you were That's a bunch of bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that, jameis but why don't you believe me?
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  Speaker 5: Tell people that don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: He said that Jake tapping. Alex Thompson wrote in that book,
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  Speaker 1: Original Sitting that Biden shook the d n C chair
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  Speaker 1: at the time, Jamie Harrison's and and didn't recognize who
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  Speaker 1: he was.
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  Speaker 2: Jam I said that it's bullshit, because it was bullshit
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  Speaker 2: every time that Joe Biden, see Joe Biden always related
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  Speaker 2: me to Jim Claburn, right, So every no, but every time,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, Joe and Jim have a really close relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Now they trust each other in all, and so every
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  Speaker 2: time he's gonna be like, how's Jim doing? And you
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  Speaker 2: know every single time that's the that's his lead all
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  Speaker 2: question how's Jim doing? And tell Jim he needs to
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  Speaker 2: give me a call every single time. And so it's
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  Speaker 2: what's present. By no, yes, I mean he was damn old.
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  Speaker 2: But when you take a look at it, Charlet Mane,
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  Speaker 2: when you look at what this man was trying to do,
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather take an old Joe Biden on a respirator
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  Speaker 2: right now than a goddamn Donald Trump right now, who's
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  Speaker 2: destroying this country.
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  Speaker 1: Rhetoric, that type of rhetoric is exactly why y'all lost.
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  Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is America shouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: to choose between Donald Trump. Well, then people, I should
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  Speaker 1: have to choose between authoritarian regime, authoritarian strategy, and an
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  Speaker 1: old man on a respirator.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte man you you you can't. You can't win something
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have somebody to get into the contest
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  Speaker 2: to run against.
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  Speaker 1: And if Joe Biden would have said, hey, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a transitional president, I'm only gonna be here for
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  Speaker 1: four years, that would have gave you as then been
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  Speaker 1: a party a whole lot of time.
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  Speaker 2: But he didn't, right, That's right. We could have. If
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  Speaker 2: you know, if I was six foot five or six ten,
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  Speaker 2: i'd be playing basketball right now and you know, a
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  Speaker 2: million dollar house. But I don't, right, So that did
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  Speaker 2: not happen. So when when that did not happen, then
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  Speaker 2: what you got to do is play with the cards.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you're playing spade, right man. If that would
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  Speaker 2: have gotten deuce here and this and that, then I
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  Speaker 2: could have won that hand. No, you play without you
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  Speaker 2: play with a hand that you dealt with, right. And
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  Speaker 2: so in the end of the day, Joe Biden decided
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  Speaker 2: to run. Nobody decided of significance decided to challenge him.
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  Speaker 2: So therefore that is the horse that you have to ride.
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  Speaker 1: Do you put any blame on the Democratic Party because
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  Speaker 1: there clearly was a lot of people who saw decline
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  Speaker 1: and decided not to say anything. But if they would
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  Speaker 1: have maybe ringing the alarmed and maybe other people would
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  Speaker 1: have been like, you know what, I am gonna run.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that, to be quite honest, Charlotte Mane.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the reason why you elect the president is
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  Speaker 2: to get shit done, right, that's the reason, not because
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  Speaker 2: they look good in the suit, not because they're young
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  Speaker 2: or old or whatever. It's to get stuff done. And
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  Speaker 2: if you take a look objectively speaking, you take a
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  Speaker 2: look at all that Joe Biden got done legislatively, and
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  Speaker 2: you compare it, compare it to Ronald Reagan, you can
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  Speaker 2: compare it to George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 2: There has not been a president that got more done
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  Speaker 2: legislative than any president since Lyndon Bainshahnson.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, right, but getting things done don't win campaign sadlling, but.
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  Speaker 2: But that's why you send somebody to Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: To get stuff done for you, to do stuff for
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  Speaker 2: your community, to move things forward. And we see the
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  Speaker 2: contrast now of somebody who doesn't get things done or
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  Speaker 2: gets things done that actually hurts people, like like, why
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  Speaker 2: send a young person? You know Jim Corbray, I remember
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  Speaker 2: once when I was a young stabber staffer in his
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  Speaker 2: office and he said, I was, I was bitching about
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  Speaker 2: you know, some of these older people just need to
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  Speaker 2: sit down and let some of these young folks stand up.
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  Speaker 2: And he said to me, he was very quiet, he
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  Speaker 2: listened to me, just rant and read and he pushed
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  Speaker 2: back in the chair and he said, Jim, let me
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  Speaker 2: ask you a question, which would you prefer an old,
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  Speaker 2: third good marshal or a young Clarence Thomas? And I
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  Speaker 2: sat there and I thought about it, and I said, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I see what he said. You know, yes, age is important,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also about your values. It's about who you are,
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  Speaker 2: what you will fight for, who you will fight for,
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  Speaker 2: and so that's a part of the package. Yes, Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden was old. I get that, but we also know
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  Speaker 2: that this man was committed to certain things to make
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  Speaker 2: things better for folks. Did he do it perfectly? No,
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  Speaker 2: we don't. None of us do anything perfectly right. There's
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  Speaker 2: nobody that has walked with us earth that is perfect
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  Speaker 2: but the Son of God and he and hopefully he'll
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  Speaker 2: come back again sometime soon.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't waste my time.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I hate I hate the old conversation because it
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  Speaker 3: just wasn't he just wasn't just affected.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just wasn't affected.
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  Speaker 3: Because we know a lot of people at an eighty
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  Speaker 3: year old on point. He just felt like he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: on point. It felt like my recipece of my mother
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  Speaker 3: in law feel like he had early signs of dementia.
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  Speaker 3: She had, So the signs that I seen with her
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  Speaker 3: were the signs that I was seeing with him. Forgetting names,
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  Speaker 3: shaking people's hands that weren't there. It just seemed a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. And it had nothing to do with old
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  Speaker 3: had had to do with the fact.
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  Speaker 5: That I just didn't think he was one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's somebody, I agree, but you took it. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's somebody who interacted with the president a lot in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four a lot. I mean I flew on
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  Speaker 2: Air Force one to Eddie Bernice Johnson's funeral with him
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  Speaker 2: from Charleston to Dallas, and we spent an hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half and he basically was giving me a history
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  Speaker 2: lesson of what's going on all across the world. No notes,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just a very casual conversation. But yes, I
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  Speaker 2: knew he was old, right, and he did some of
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  Speaker 2: the mannerisms that old people do, but in terms of
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  Speaker 2: his mental acuity and his sharpness, he knew it all.
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  Speaker 2: And you better if you ask you a question, you
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  Speaker 2: better know the answer to it, right. And so like
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  Speaker 2: seeing the frame that was built around and then seeing
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  Speaker 2: the reality of my interactions, my personal interactions with him.
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  Speaker 2: It was not always the same, right, it wasn't. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's part of my frustration is like, guys, I
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  Speaker 2: understand that this guy in perfect, but you know what,
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  Speaker 2: we also have a vice president. So in the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, if he can't, if he can't perform,
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  Speaker 2: you got a vice president that is there who can't.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it wasn't anything his age has definitely played
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  Speaker 1: a part in it, but it's the fact that Democrats
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  Speaker 1: suck at messages and all the good things that somebody
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  Speaker 1: like the Biden administration did, y'all didn't know how to message.
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  Speaker 1: And y'all just suck at campaigning. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: y'all about to make the same mistake because you're still
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  Speaker 1: on some.
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  Speaker 4: We good they bad stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly America don't care about that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen what I think we have to do on
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  Speaker 2: the messaging side. One of the things the problem that
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  Speaker 2: Democrats have and I say this as a party and
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  Speaker 2: I said this as a party chair, is that we
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  Speaker 2: send people to Washington, DC who want to get stuff done,
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  Speaker 2: who are policy wonks. Many of them are really policy nerves, right.
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  Speaker 2: All they want to do is they want to go
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  Speaker 2: to DC. They want to write their bills, They want
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  Speaker 2: to get something passed and solving the issue that people
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  Speaker 2: in their communities are dealing with. The Republicans are reversed.
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  Speaker 2: They want to go to Washington, DC to have power right,
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  Speaker 2: either power to block something or power or power to
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  Speaker 2: move things forward. And they know that, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: don't need to be versed in all of the these
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  Speaker 2: policies and all that, and so they just focused on
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  Speaker 2: the politics of it, whereas Democrats don't like to focus
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  Speaker 2: on the politics. They just like to focus on the policy.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not always good because you also need the
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  Speaker 2: politics part, Like you got to be able to sell
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  Speaker 2: what you've been able to do. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: I tried to get the president, well people in the
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  Speaker 2: administration do is yeah, I said, miss President, And I
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  Speaker 2: said this on this flight that we took. We were
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  Speaker 2: down in Charleston, visited Mother Manual and then flew to Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: Is that when his pants allegedly.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Man, I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm serious. They said that last time he visited
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  Speaker 1: Mother Manue and meet he pooped his.
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  Speaker 2: Pan Charles Mayne you you saying something that literally, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy, that's crazy. That's some crazy talk. Because I
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  Speaker 2: was again with the President all day. We even went
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  Speaker 2: to what's the soul food restaurant that we went. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I'm not even joke.
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  Speaker 1: I heard that they said last time you did is
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  Speaker 1: that he pooped his band man. He said he was
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: taking so long to come out. So local law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: was asking to seek the service, what's going on? And
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  Speaker 1: somebody's secret service said, look, President just.
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  Speaker 5: Shot it.
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  Speaker 6: Headlines asking they're trying to figure out that he poop
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  Speaker 6: his pan.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm not. I'm not, No, guys, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a secret.
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  Speaker 2: I never heard exactly yelling crazy. Absolutely crazy as hell.
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  Speaker 2: It's just crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Let's let me get to my story.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Hell, what was I trying to say? Anyway, before sharlow
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Man and the pooping the paint learn.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: About something, man, so the administration to do something on.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: The flight so so, because part of it is about
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: selling what you do. And I told the President because
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: as I went across the country, people weren't connected. We
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: passed all the stuff, but people weren't connected to the
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: stuff that we actually passed, like the student loan stuff.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who qualified for all
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: of the student loan relief, but they didn't know how
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to get it right. And so I said, well, Miss President,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: why don't And I said, the DNC can actually do this.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: We can open up we can call them Biden Empowerment
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Centers all across the country, basically where people could come
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: in and say, I'm trying to get some of that
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Biden student loan money. I'm trying to figure out how
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: to do a small business twenty thousand dollars at small
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: business grants, but I don't know how to get that money.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do something on in terms of the
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: broadband and all of the other stuff. And I said,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you can have these all across the country so that
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: people are now then connected to the resources that you
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: were actually bringing bringing into the community, because part of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the problem is that people didn't know how to get
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: it right. You had the money there, but can't people
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: can't access it. And he was like, Oh, that's a
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: great idea. That's a great idea. I thought it was
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: going to move forward. I thought that we would do
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: something about it. But the one thing that I'm writing
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: about this now, in my book, the one problem that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: you have is like, if these ideas don't come from
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: certain people that are in the sort of universes around
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the president or the vice president, then they never see
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the light of day. They never they never crystallize. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: that is part of the fundamental problems that we have
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: right now within our party is that we got to
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: break through some of these things. You've got these gatekeepers
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: who want all of the power, all of the control,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: all of the influence, and don't want other voices to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: come break in to say, you know, we're not doing
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: this right. We need to talk to these people, We
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: need to bring these people into the room. And so
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that's part of my big frustration as DNC chair. It
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: was that, you know, there are a lot of things
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: that we want to do a lot of bells that
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: we were ringing very early on about this group, this group,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that group, but the president or the vice president never
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: actually really heard them because the gatekeepers kept that information
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: from them.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: You know, did you start your podcast at our table
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: because you wanted to kind of counter I guess the manisphere? Yes.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: No, No, what I wanted to do is I wanted
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to build our own frame, right I get so tired of.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Our fast I love how that South Carolina came out
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of you and you told the truth initially. Now you're
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: giving us no, yes, and then you're like, well, actually no.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But what I want to do is build our own frame,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: because what I got tired of is, you know, we
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: would have our Democratic candidates who were going to seeing
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in on MSNBC. They get five minutes to talk about whatever,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and then the media itself would build a frame to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: define who that person was, right. And it's the same
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: reason why I had Hunter Biden on my on my podcast,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: who was one of the first interviews, because you could
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: say Hunter Biden, and all you know about Hunter Biden
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: is what you heard on Fox News from people who
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: oppose them, or maybe something that you may have read
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: from somebody in from the administration. But you never heard
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the man talk in his own words. You never heard
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: him go out and defend what he did or to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: accept blame for what he did. You never heard him
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: talk about his father and defend his father and all
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that stuff. And I don't always feel like people of a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: vehicle so that they can put in their own words
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: where they are and then and then you can make
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: a decision based off of that. But but what you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: see right now and politics really is that the media
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: will build a frame. Like when I launched my podcast,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: they said Jamie Harrison, uh uh, gonna be the Joe
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Rogan of the left. I never uttered Joe Rogan's name, right,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: But the media wants to create these dynamics and this
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and that, Like I've never watched Joe Rogan show other
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: than little clips online. I don't want to be anybody
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: but Jamie Harrison, and I want to have my show
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to talk about the things that I think are important
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that I think people in the community want to talk about.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: As a person who you know, have to focus on
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: campaigns and stuff. How much influence do you think that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: those podcasts are even celebrity has on you know, candidates, Well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody says he won the election because he
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: went on all these different you know, the theovonnes, the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: flagrants and show.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I think those things we have an influence on the margins.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of people, know who now get
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: their media and their news from social media and podcasts
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: and clips that they see on TikTok and Instagram and
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: all those different things, and so understanding that. You know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: most people these days, they get the bit of information
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that they do consume either through a little headline or
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: they see a little clip for fifteen or twenty seconds.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And so knowing that that means then the party has
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: to adapt itself to understanding that's where the electorate is,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that's how they're getting their information. And it is hard
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: as hell. It's like, you know, trying to turn a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: battleship to get the party to understand like where things
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: are going and what you got to do. And so
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to start when I was DNC chair.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I wanted to start a YouTube channel called DTV where
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: we could have had shows at the DNC. We had
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: this beautiful studio in the basement of the DNC where
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: we could have shows and we can bring in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Jasmine Crocketts of the AOCS and all that, and different
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: voices in the party that reflected the diversity of party
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and talk about our stuff in our own words. But
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I got from some of the folks in the White House, well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't spend resources on.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: That, right.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: How come Merrick Garland doesn't get any smoke.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He should get plenty of smoke. I wish, I wish
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Doug Jones would have. I thought that was the biggest
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: mistake of the Biden administration, appointing Merrick Garland. And it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: because we always want to be like the above the fray.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: We always want to be like, well, let's do it
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: by the book, let's do it academic. But sometimes shit,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you got to fight, right, yeah, you just you just
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: got to fight. And I wish Doug Jones or somebody
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of that ILK would have been the attorney general because
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Mary Garland was awful. He was abysmally awful.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: He didn't investigate the Epstein FI dropped the ball and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: indicted Trump too late on January sixth, because he didn't
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: want to seem.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Too get political.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Trump and Trump's out here like I'm locking all
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: y'all up, like in all my political.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Chris Christy Bolton, everybody, Obama dog.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, why weren't y'all saying things like that?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Like why when at the head and I'm not saying
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you even got to say it publicly?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, Well then listen, there were times in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: which you know, I said to the prison or said
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to the Vice president, or said to the staff certain
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: things like, you know, I remember having conversation with Anita
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Donne on the TikTok stuff. I was like, that is
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: dumb as hell for us in an election cycle to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: be going after TikTok. I was like, y'all, wait until
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna do something like that, do it after
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: elect Like sometimes politically stuff when you know that young people,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that's where they're getting their information, you know, that's what
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they want. Like why are we doing that? Like why
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: are we trying to do these things that make it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: even more difficult for us to win?
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's frivolous stuff.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about things like, hey, why isn't Merrick Garland
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: going after this person that y'all told us is an
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: extensive threat who we saw leading attempt to cool this
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: country on January sixth, President Biden, why are you saying
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: things like you don't want, you know, to investigate that matter. Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Well, because you know, Biden also again being eighty years old,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: coming from a different time in terms of our government,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: he was old school in terms of looking at you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the difference or the line between the White House and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the Justice Department. I mean, that's the way that things
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: used to operate, but we now know that we're in
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: a different era, like there's a different frame, and we
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: see that Trump has turned all of that on his head,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and that sometimes you got to lean in and lean
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: in heavily on some of these things, and you got
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: to get somebody over there who is not just who
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sees justice as being blind, but also is not politically
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: naive as well. And that's part of the part of
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the problem with Mary Garland. I mean, I had problems
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: with Mary Garland, and Barack Obama nominated him to go
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court instead of nominating the black woman
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that time around, Right, I thought that was a perfect
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: opportunity for us to get a black woman on the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court. But again we wanted we we always are
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: as a party. We're always thinking ourselves out of things, Right,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: So the calculus was, well, let's find some middle of
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the road guy that the Republicans are not going to oppose.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And guess what they did. They opposed him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: In hindsight, you admitted it already, you said Mary Garland
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: was ter he was terrible. Why can't you say that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: in regards to Biden not being a one term president?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Well, because because I listen, those two things are the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: reason Trump is back in the White House. I I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: really listen, man, if folks would have And this is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the amazing difference between Democrats and Republicans. Trump got convicted
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: thirty four times, convicted, felon, thirty four times, convicted fela.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Did you hear a peep from the Republican Party the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: next day saying that Donald Trump should not be our nominee.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: No, because they knew he could win. That's the difference.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: There were so many of us who knew Biden no.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: No, But that's no, no, no, How how did they
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: know that he couldn't that he could win when he
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: lost in twenty twenty?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Who Trump? Because you could clearly see the momentum between
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the two candles. You know, we all had this combination.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Momentum in politics schools, just like it goes just like that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: But you could see that they was messing with by the.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Reason people thought Kamala was gonna, you know, make this
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: breakfast because of the moment on.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: At the same time, at the same time as trump conviction.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: That was around the same period that Joe Biden gave
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that State of the Union speech when everybody was like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: oh god damn, that was a good State of Union speech.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I have not heard a better State of Union speech
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: than that time.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: No, I never thought he could win well.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Regardless of whether you thought or not his numbers were good.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Him getting through it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I'm from Delaware, number yeah, it was the original man.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: The original sin is a bunch of ship. I mean
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: that's talking about keep going. Come on, I mean, like
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm just telling you what I Seriously, I don't know.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Why a bunch of anonymous sources because nobody wants to
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: go on record to say anything anonymous sources. I can't
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: tell you. In my book there won't be anonymous sources.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It is straight for me. I'm listening.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Whoever the future of the party is, whoever's going to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: lead the Democratic Party.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And the DNC won't pick them?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: You American people, will you have to be able to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: throw that old regime under the bus. The You're gonna
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: have to You're gonna have to be willing to throw
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that old regime under the bus and talk about all
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the things that they got wrong.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, But why don't we talk about this is the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: thing let's talk about the stuff that we're getting right.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason that the brand for the party
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: is there are a lot of reasons the brand for
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the party is suffering, but part of the reason is
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that we are always like if you look at the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Republican side on the flip side, they are not talking about, well, well,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: we're getting this, we got this wrong the last time,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and we get this wrong. Man, they get ship run
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: all the time, but no, but they don't talk about it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Part of reason why they win is because they're not
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: talking about It's like you got a brand new car
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: and every day you throw mud on it, and then
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: after three months you'd be like, why is my car
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: not shining anymore? It's because you damn you throw mud
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: on it every every month. Like Republicans don't throw mud
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: on their car, but Democrats, man, we will. We will
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: hand and ring and be like, oh, I wish we
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: would have done us, and I wish we'd done that. Lean,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: lean into what you do and that you are doing well,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and have that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Be your lead instead of being the party of purity.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Well I don't know about the walk around and act
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like you the party and y'all don't get anything wrong.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: You don't lie about nothing, then people are going to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: hold you to it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We can't be the party of purity on one side,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and then you then whine and complain about all the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: stuff that we get wrong the next time. That's those
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: two things can't coexist in the same space.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: So what do you like in twenty twenty eight? What
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: candidate is? Do you like in twenty twenty eight?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't know yet. I really don't
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: know yet. I mean, there's gonna be so many people
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: who come through South Caro. No, I mean.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Person people love that US Democrats don't know whether they're
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: coming and going. This is terrible.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Well, come on, man, this is the same stuff that
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: happening happened in twenty twenty. This is the same stuff
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: that happened in two thousand and eight. It's the same
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: stuff that happened, I mean right after Yeah, in two
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: thousand and eight when the brock Abam you had like
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: twelve people run. Then you had twenty people run in
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of formidable candidates out there. The problem
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: is the Democratic brand is so toxic and disgusting and bad.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It's because we sit here and talk about how toxic
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and bad it is instead of talking about the good
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: stuff that we actually do. Man, that's part of the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: problem again, Like your brand is going to be bad
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: if every day all you do is talk about how bad.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Things got it wrong on the border.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are things that we should have done
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: batter on the border. Yes, I agree with.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think they got it wrong talking about bidernomics
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: when they know that people weren't feeling that in their pockets,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and they know that people weren't feeling that, you know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I think what they should have done is what I
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: said earlier, which is connecting the economics people to the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: economic stuff that they got done. Then I think people
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: would have felt better about it, right because they know
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that this stuff was going on, Like you know, all
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: these stimulus checks, like the Biden stimulus checks were far
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: bigger than the stimulus checks coming to Donald Trump. He
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: should have and that's one of the things he regrets.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: He said, I wish I would have left. And this
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is a lesson we should have learned in Obama because
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you all remember when Obama was president, we passed that
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: big stimulus bill and then all this money was flowing
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: into all this other stuff, and Obama did not put
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: didn't take credit for it. He did not take credit
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: for it. So you had thought then Democrats would have
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: learned from eight and twenty to do better. But we don't.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: One thing. We know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Democrats don't learn, no, be.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: We can be a bit hard headed in that, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping and I think this new generation of Democrats
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: that we have, who are scrappy, who are willing to fight,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: willing to do what is necessary, will learn the lessons
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: from It's just hard.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: To believe y'all, Jamie now, simply because we know what
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: y'all watched the last four years. Even when I see
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: somebody like Karen John Pierre come out with her book
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you sat up there and lied for
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: him all of this time, and now you want to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: be honest and say you were an independent And it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to say all of y'all did that for the last
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: four years.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Man and Charlot Mane, I ain't lied about I ain't
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: live about damn thing.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you ain't tell the truth. We just kept quiet.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Okay, don't let him talk to you like that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: Come on, man, did you try to tell the truth
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: and they just didn't listen because I also saw that
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: you said you were taking for granted you were a
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: rubber stamp.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: So were you.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Telling the truth and him?
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: So what were you telling the truth about?
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Well, telling the truth about where we are, where the
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: electric was, things that we needed to do. I mean
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: when I tell you, this job in many ways great
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: opportunity to connect with folks, but also extremely frustrating because
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you can see the things. It's almost like you see
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a car wreck that's happening, and you're yelling and screaming,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and it's like nobody's listening, right because only again the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: select few. There's people in the bubble who thought they
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: know better. I give you a perfect example. I have
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: here Ernie, who's helping me write my book. And I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: remember you all remember the January sixth and all, So
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the anniversary of January sixth was in twenty twenty two,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and I wanted this ad and after the show, I'll
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: play it for you guys, this ad that really goes
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: after the Republicans on January sixth. And I wanted the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: DNC to play this ad because you know, I told
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the folks at the White House, I said, I want
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you all to know that black folks are watching how
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: we handle this situation, because we know if all those
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: people who broke into the Capitol beat the shit out
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: of the police officers, defecated all over the walls and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the floors, and did all this stuff, if those folks
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: were black, it would have been the bloodiest day in
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the history of this absolutely. And I told the folks
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: at the White House my conduit, I said, black folks
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: are watching, and how we Democrats handle the situation. Are
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: we going to be forceful in terms of pushing back
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: against it and making sure that we hold people accountable
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: for it, or are we gonna brush it on the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: on the rug? And I was told when I had
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: this ad, and the ad was it wasn't as hard.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I knew that they wouldn't go for the real hard
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: ad that I wanted, so it was sort of a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: mid level but it went in a little bit, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a mid level ad. And they were like, well, we
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: don't think the DNC needs to do that. We don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: need to focus on that right now. And my pushback
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to them is, folks, I want you to understand this,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: like we are trying. We need to send a signal
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to our folks that we see you, we hear you.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: We're gonna fight for you, and just as hard as
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the Republicans are fighting against you, we're gonna be fighting
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: for you. Like this, by brushing that under the rug
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and saying, well, we shouldn't talk about that right now,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: let's talk about bidonomics or something to that extent, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: mean that is sending the signal to our folks, is that, Yo.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: You know you really don't give it damn a perceptions question?
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: What do you feel he's not being truthful about? But
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: he said you don't feel like he's being truthful?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: What do you think he's not being truthful about the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: condition that they know President Biden was in?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: No man, I just I just fund you can ask
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: anybody he asked my wife. I just fundamentally disagree with that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Like it just.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Pisses hard for me to believe that it just like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: us who've I've never met Joe Biden just watching him
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: on television, cancel. It's just crazy that all of us
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: can come to this conclusion. But y'all, I was calling
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: for him to step down in twenty twenty three for
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: no other reason other than you will not win the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: election in November.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Charlotte mane like, of course, Like I've been on record,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: he's old. I get it. He is old. He walks.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: You know he's old.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just about that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: It's not just about it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: No, But there's a lot of things right, Like there's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a perception that the DNC is too tied, the corporate
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: donors specially.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Man, that's bullshit too. Okay, tell me pull the records,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: pull the receipts. If we're tired. If we're tired the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: corporate donors, pull the receipts.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: How much money do we get from democratic book?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know because I never talked to a packing
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: my four years as DNC chair.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, the party claim for working people while taking
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: so much money from Wall Street in Silicon Valley?
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Where where do we tell me that?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: You're right?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Now? I am telling because exitly you're giving me a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: talking point, Charlottage, But give me the receipt Show me
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the amount of money that we have gotten from from
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: corporate donors. Show show the.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. I can't believe you.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: No, show show me.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That hold on.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Hold on now, mind you, the DNC raised h the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: d n C couple with campaign raise over billion dollars.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Tell me how much of that billion dollars that we
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: got from corporate donors?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Hold on one second, Hold on one second, you're holding,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: we're holding.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: I feel like you're playing space and somebody just trying
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: to find.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Trying to find I have I have it up.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Now combined spending on just congressional races in two thousand.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I'm saying the d n C. I'm not saying congressional races.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I'm like you d democrat.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: No, you said the d n C. What you said
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: is democrats. You said the d n C.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I think the DNC roll the tape.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he said.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: You said the Democrats.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, democrats, because you're saying that the.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: So let me ask ask the question.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: There's a perception that Democrat politicians are too tied the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: corporate donors and special interests. So how can the party
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: claim to fight for working people while taking so much money?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Well, there there are some Democrats in Congress who do
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: take corporate pat dollars like they do, and in part
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of their fundraising that happens. But when it like, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: can't control what individual members do, right, But in the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: end of the day, you know, if these people are
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: still passing health care and passing that they're not fighting
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: for tax cuts for these wealthy corporations and all that
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: they're actually trying to increase the taxes on some of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: these folks. It's kind of hard to say that these
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: people aren't fighting for their constituents. Man, Right, So again,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: like I can only control what I can control within
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: my sphere, right. I know what the DNC did and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: what I tried to push the DNC to do in
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: my time, which is focus on working people, focusing on
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: people like my grandparents, focusing on people like my aunts
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: and my uncles and my cousins and nieces and nephews
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: in South Carolina, trying to make life better for them.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: That's the party that I was happy and proud to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: be the chair of.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, was there a private deal between the DNC and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the Harris campaign that you would cover twenty million dollars
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in her buildings?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Knowledge so so basically, and I saw Shane's the newspaper article.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So looking at the finances for there are some joint
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: finances between the DNC and a presidential campaign. When they
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: come together, they create what it's called a joint fundraising committee.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So there's things bills that they share, right, so some polling,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: some advertising, some some things, so that they can jointly
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: fundraise money. And that's I know that your your folks
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: are going to get a little eyes gleazed. That is
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: because they form a joint feund reason committee because that
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: allows them to raise more money collectively than they could
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: as individuals.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: It allows them, the DNC to go to some of
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: its the donors who can write a million dollar chat, right,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and then they send that money to the DNC. It's discovered, No,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: they're individuals, folks, that individual can write a million Yes,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: individuals can write million dollar checks. Because the way that
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the finance laws and that's something that we really need
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: to take a look at. But the way that finance
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: laws work is there's a certain amount that they can
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: give to the DNC, there's a certain amount they can
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: give to every state party, and all of that money
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: is collective and then we can use that money on
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: behalf of the presidential cannon. So it's a joint fundraising committee.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: So that means and sometimes there are joint fundraising expenses
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that come out of it, So expenses that we share.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So coming off of Kammalos Race, there were some things,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: some outstanding bills that we still had that were joint
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: bills together between the DNC and the Commalas Race, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: our agreement was to pay the remaining of some of
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: those bills.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Was it twenty million?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: No, When I left, it was about five So now
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I can't speak to about any other whatever. But when
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I left, it was about five million dollars, which in
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, five million dollars is a
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: lot for us as individuals. But in this campaign, universe,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: do you think.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: We need to drop hundred dollars?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I do believe. I do believe that we
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: need massive and we would have done that had we
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: passed the John Lewis and all the other bills that
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Democrats voted unanimously for in the House, but we couldn't
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: get it past the Senate because of filibuster, because of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Mansion in Cinema. So I do believe that, Listen, I
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: raised one hundred and thirty two million dollars when I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: ran for USENT. I mean, when I think about how
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: much money that is and what that could have done
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: in South Carolina, that's sinful that amount of money one
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two million dollars. I think we need
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to cap them out that we use in our election.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: No other country on the face of this planet spends
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: as much money in campaigns as we do.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Is the DNC beholding to billionaires too much? Are just
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: wealthy people in general? No, I mean, because there's no
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: there's no working class person writing a million dollars.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: No, No, But the bulk of the money that the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: DNC raises is from folks who have given five to
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: ten dollars, like the sheer volume about probably about thirty
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: percent of the d's money that it gets. It comes
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: from major dollar donors, right, people who can write twenty
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: five thousand above the number of people who can write
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a million dollar check. Maybe it's one hundred to two
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: hundred people like, it's not it's not a lot. And
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: those people basically, you know, I've met with many of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: our large donors. They're not asking for anything policy wise,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: because the DNC is not a policy arm Like we
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: don't write policy of the DNC. The money that we
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: use goes into the infrastructure of the party, and so
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: many of those folks don't have any type of ask
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: other than when and we don't want to see Republicans
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: take over.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Why am I getting your subset?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't sign up for.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: What did you give money to the DNC?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Were you on my Were you on my email list
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: from my campaign? Yeah? I mean listen, Yeah, we have
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a cap No, no, well listen, we work with substack
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: on my list right, Basically, what I use was my
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: campaign list. If you if you subscribe to my campaign
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: or you help my campaign out, remember I mean I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: have an email list of over seven million people coming
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: off of my campaign. That's because again, we raised one
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two million dollars and a lot of
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: people wanted to send lends a Graham home. And so
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: now since I'm on Substack now, since I got my
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: at and we haven't talked about at our table the podcast,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: make sure you go with Yeah, wherever you get your podcasts,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: make sure you subscribe. But so basically, and I'm writing
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: every week. Every week I'm writing a piece about Last
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: week I wrote one about identity the quote unquote identity politics.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: This week I have one on how the two thousand
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and six elections in the twenty twenty six elections May
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: mirror each other, so we're doing that on a weekly basis.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: So do you think if folks don't want it just unsubscribed?
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I mentioned a PAK earliert, I want to bring it
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: up again. Do you think APAK and like other powerful
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: lobbies like that have too much influence over Democrat leaders?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think there's no I think APAC has a lot
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of power over both parties, right, or people in both
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: parties Because I don't want to use the party as
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: a whole as a label, there are people in the
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: parties in which APAC is very influential on, in both
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and so you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: organizations like that probably do have a little too much influence.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: And the only way that we curved at is to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: change the campaign finance laws in this country so that
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: is more grassroots focus and oriented and less about these
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: big packs that have come up. I think one of
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the worst things was a Citizen's United decision because they
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: made it into a wild wild West and allowed folks
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: with who could raise these money, this money unlimited influence
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to impact elections, to impact campaigns, to influence our members
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: of So I mean, I think if Democrats can take
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: back the House and the Senate, but also get past
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the filibuster because a big problem that we have right
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: now is a lot of bills that we wanted to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: pass to curb some of the stuff. You can't because
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: it gets filibuster in the US Senate.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: If Democrats lose again in twenty twenty six or twenty
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: twenty eight, should the party completely rethink it's leadership structure,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: even the role of the DNC itself.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I Charlamagne, I mean, in the history's country,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you went to the DNC's I think it's one hundred
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and seventy years old. You're gonna win elections, You're gonna
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: lose elections. I mean, winning elections and losing an election
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: didn't something new that happened?
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Right? Different though, So you got some you gotta admit
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: this is different.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I mean Donald Trump is different.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: The question is, once Trump's gone, does it go back
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to the way that it has gone to pass? I don't.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big question. I don't know that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: But one of the things I tell folks is, yes,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: there's an urgency of the moment, but like you can't
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: freak out about like all you know, all hell's gone
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: loose in terms of like the parties and how they operate. Right,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I do think there's some fundamental changes that need to happen.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, when I go back to the DNC,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: part of what I want to do is put some
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: reforms in to separate out, to give the DNC a
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: wall between a presidential campaign and the DNC, or a
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: president and the DNC, because I think the DNC has
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: to focus more, not just on the White House, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: on the entirety of the party. And I don't think
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: we do that when we have the White House.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And I just want to ask you to be clear.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: So you said the DNC has never taken corporate dollars
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in the past.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: No, the DNC. I mean, I don't know if there
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: is some no corporate Pac money. There may be some
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: corporate Pac money. Said no, no, no, no, You said
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that the d n C was controlled by corporate Pac money.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: If there is corporate Pac money, it's probably less than
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: five percent cent of the money.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Uh that the money influence.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: But what what do you mean? Like you throwing out buzzwords,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: but I don't know what you how you mean?
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Question?
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: No, they have never taken any Corporate PA money.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: DNC has taken Corporate pac money in the past. I mean,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: all of the parties have taken money.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: But when you look at me that they're not controlled.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: They're not They're not controlled by that, right because if
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: it's a small percentage, I mean, and like, yeah, I
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: can give you a dollar, that doesn't mean you're going
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to do what I told you for if for that dollar,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: because I know you're getting paid a whole lot more, right. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Well, if you want more of this, you can check
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: out his new podcast.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: At Our Table At Our Table, and.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Also check out Jamie Harrison's documentary In the Bubble that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I executive produced.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, Emily in the Buildings Emily Harrald.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Clearly she didn't want to be on camera, Okay, I
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: shot it her rout put it on camera right.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Well, sorry, it was a pleasure, Jamie.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Don't be arange.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: No, I would love to come back and when the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: book comes out, but in Charlemagne, I do. I would
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: love to have you, you know, as my South Carolina homeboy,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: be a guest on at our Table. Let me ask
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you a question.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'd love to do it. I enjoyed your conversation with Hunter, but.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: No, it was good. It was really good. And it
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: was good to get Hunter unfiltered. And uh, he had
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a lot to say. I had a lot to say.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: And and I think he's a you know, he's a
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: good guy. He just yeah, and and maybe I don't
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if it's just look I had I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: have family members who had drug addiction issues and problems, right,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: and and very honest. And they're very honest. They're very honest.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And what just say it, Jamie, No, No, I'm just saying,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: like honest, man, Jesus Christ, dude, you just say it, dude.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Come on, It's okay, it's okay.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: What honest some of the most honestly. But I've learned
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: some of the best advice ever.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But but but we don't need to be like derogatory.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You're saying in a fashion to be derogator or you know,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: sometimes folks just fall down, No, man, come on, man,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: sometimes people just fall down, right, and it's it's about
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: all of us to help them get back up, absolutely right.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But I'm not going to go around and be like
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: derogatory to people.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, derogatory, crack cracket, what else?
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: We call them crackit.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: You can call them addicts.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Right Political did an article saying there's a new memo
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: that identifies forty five words and phrases for Democrats to avoid.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on this?
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You don't speak plain.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: No, but but come on now?
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Are these some of the words that they tell you
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: can't use?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, this gender, Man, I don't know what. I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: don't know what. Half of that stuff is exactly neoliberal.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, they come up with all kinds of stuff,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: but it's the academic part.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Of the atics.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out. I want to I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: want to learn the right thing to say.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: User.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know you you know how we use crackheaded home,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I use crackheads.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I use come on now, man, get a crackhead a
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: couple of dollars to come FI cut the grass. But
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing, I said, I learned a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: lot from people who used to How about this, I've
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: learned a lot from people who used to use crack.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I have used crack, just used drugs. Jamie was Jamie
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: when she never came here.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: It's the breakfast Club. Good morning every day.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Up, Wake click your ass up. The breakfast club you
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: don't finish for y'all done.