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Ep 16 - Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961) · Popcorn and Pals

• justin: Alright, welcome back to Popcorn and Pals, the podcast where we talk about all sorts of movies, good and bad, and give you our completely unqualified takes on them. He's Zach, I'm Justin, and today we're talking about quite possibly one of the most classic movies of all time. It's Breakfast at Tiffany's. But before we dive in, Zachary, how are we? How are things? Zach: A classic ⁓ doing good, man. I got my house consultation this weekend, so I'm like picking all my stuff now. So be my wife and I've been just like all we've been talking about for like a month is our s is our stupid house, our new house. So it's it's it's good to get all that done. And then Yeah, we're going on vacation next week, so you know, after we do that. And ⁓ yeah. So how are you guys doing? justin: Mm-hmm. We're good. We just got back, I guess I you throw it in vacation category. Yeah. It Zach: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You went to Wisconsin, right? Classic vacation spot. justin: We did. We went to Milwaukee. Yeah. We literally went to Jellystone Nash well, I don't know it's a national park. Jellystone Park with Yogi Yogi Bear and Boo Boo. Like that's all it was it's a it's almost like a theme park for Yogi Bear and Boo Boo. It was it was a family reunion for my wife's family, so we were up there for a few days, but it was fun. Zach: Okay. Ha ha ha. How often do you guys do family reunions? justin: This is the first one they've done, I think, since nineteen ninety. so it it was like a very big deal. Hannah my my wife's family is all spread out across the entire country. So Zach: ⁓ wow, okay. justin: to have all of her cousins and all of her family in one place is of extremely rare occurrence. ⁓ but it was really fun. And the weather was phenomenal. We're used to just broiling hot weather down here and up there. It was amazing. So Zach: Yeah, so like my my dad's side like never does family reunions or anything. Like I I know like my dad and like my grandparents. And then like all because he's got half siblings, technically. He's got my grandma was like one of like eight, but she's also all the other seven are like her half siblings. And so it's like they were all kind of like just in like justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: marriages that weren't quite good enough to like keep the bonds together. So like it's like the we never do anything on my dad's side. And then my mom's side, it's a really small family, so we don't really get together that often. I think the last time we did something, my uncle turned a hundred and so like everyone came for that. He my great I should say my great great uncle turned a hundred. ⁓ justin: Hm hmm. Hm. Hm, sure. Sure. Hmm. Yeah. Zach: But then Carly, like my wife's side, they do one every other year and it's like huge. In Texas, it was like the first time I met their family really was going to one of them when w I was like twenty years old, like right in the middle of college. Carly and I have been dating for like maybe a year and a half. And I got so drunk the first day. S drunk and sunburnt the first day. And it was so embarrassing. I was like, Carly, I gotta go like away from everybody because I'm gonna embarrass you right now. justin: Mm. Zach: But her family's like big drinkers, I just did not keep up. justin: Yeah. It's yeah, it's interesting. I I am not used to family reunions either 'cause my my family is all entirely located in central Tennessee. So we see each other regularly. There's no need for a family reunion. ⁓ so it's it was interesting, but it was really cool. yeah. Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's fun. It's it's good to it's good to like see all the faces and names and like everyone has stories about everybody and it's a lot of fun. It's just like you know, you get dr if you get drunk and embarrass yourself then they disown you. So it's it's justin: It's a it's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. It's ⁓ also travelling with a toddler is Jesus Christ, the amount of stuff Zach: ⁓ dude, I've done yeah, it's the worst. I'm so glad my my son is finally out of a car seat. Like he still has a booster, but just like the booster's so much smaller. So we're traveling this week and I told you I was g we're going on vacation and so we're traveling on a plane and I'm just so pumped that I'm only having to carry one car seat instead of like two like Sherpa style going through the airport, you know? justin: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We did find ⁓ 'cause we're I don't we've had issues with our daughter sleeping ⁓ whenever we travel in the past. So we found ⁓ I don't know if you guys have used like the blackout tents, but yeah, we use we got one we got one on Amazon and that it was incredible. She loves it and she slept the entire night every single time. So anybody on the fence about the blackout tent, go get you one 'cause Zach: ⁓ yeah, my friend had one of those. My friend from grad school. See, I d I just use I just use sleeping gummies. I'm like shoving down magnesium whatever into their mouth and go to bed. justin: Yeah. Or may or just like a little bit of liquor, you know, just a thimble. Why not? Old school. I see you. Zach: Yeah, yeah. I just lock ⁓ in a room and put you know, blankets around the door so they can't wh I can't hear them. That then then they it doesn't matter if they're asleep. Yeah. And then traumatize them in the process, you know? And justin: No. They'll scream themselves to sleep. Why not? Wow, we might have to call ⁓ DCS on you. Zach: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I am just joking for the record. I do not ignore my children or drug them. justin: Hmm. Hmm. Speaking of drugging, ⁓ talk to me about breakfast at Tiffany's. Did you like that segue? Zach: Dude, this was a special movie. Was this your first time watching it? justin: This was my very first time, said Zach: So this is, I think, my third Audrey Hepburn movie, but I've never seen this movie. And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not the biggest Audrey Hepburn fan. I kinda think she's her acting style is very distracting, I feel like, and very theatrical. Now this may be just because it's like the 50s. But what did you what'd you think? justin: ⁓ wow. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ I hated it. Absolutely hated it. I hated everything about this movie. But, but I am so excited to talk about it. Like, it was probably the most entertaining movie I think I've seen in a very long time. But not for the good reasons. For all the bad reasons. So I'm excited. Zach: No good. I'm glad you feel that way. Cause I like it's like, it's okay. But I wrote down like the two best things about this movie are the cat and the song that the song by ⁓ what's it like Deep Blue Something, the Breakfast E Tiffany's. Yeah, from the 90s, like that's the best thing to come out of this movie is a song referencing this movie. justin: ⁓ Yeah. I'm I'm really happy you said the cat because all I could think of, I I have two cats for anybody listening. And though if you have cats, you know cats they are so terrible as pets. So seeing seeing this cat that was like super chill and would just jump around and do whatever, I was so impressed. I was like, man, that's an awesome cat. Huh. Zach: Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha ha. No, I I have the cat in like eight different categories. I swear, like on all of our superlatives, I have like the cat somewhere in there. Cause it's like the to me the cat was the best part of this movie. I like justin: Yeah. Yeah, I this movie was it it was a gem and I I'm so excited to dive into it. W yeah, hit me I can't wait to hear your patented synopsis. So let's let's give it to me. Zach: Yeah, dude ⁓ man. Alright. I'll do my best. Okay. Alright. In this movie, a woman annoys her racially stereotyped neighbor, falls for a morally questionable writer, visits a mobster in prison, attempts to date the ninth richest man under fifty, reconnects with the her ex-husband that she married at fourteen, hangs out at a strip club, gets engaged to a wealthy business ⁓ to a wealthy Brazilian, and is arrested for narcotics trafficking. And then finally she abandons her cat. justin: Spot on Zach: I'm just like so much happens in this movie. Like it's just like going like, okay, she does one insane thing, another insane thing. And it's like, it's like, wait. I it it's so much. I think this was two things that stand out in this movie to me. Like, it was just constantly stuff happening that you're like, what is going on? Like, what is this life? Who is this person? 'Cause that really focuses on her. Even though I think like ⁓ Paul is like kind of maybe more the this justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the the the character we're following and she's like ⁓ you know r she's it's more like from Paul's perspective as much as there is a perspective in this movie. ⁓ but it ⁓ but it's just like she just keeps happening and it's just like bizarre things after another. And it's like I'm like, I think like for my synopsis I'm just gonna l just list all the bizarre things that are happening in this movie as it keeps moving forward. And then ⁓ Two for me was like Like th her accent and her like cadence, I d it was just like I the whole time I found myself like, what the hell is this what is this? I don't know. What are your thoughts? justin: Yeah. It was it was it was like a weird almost like she was going for a Gatsby type weird dialect or something. I I agree. It it wasn't quite British, but it wasn't quite American. It was something Zach: Yeah. American either, right? Like sh I've seen her in three movies. Sh I've seen her in My Fair Lady, I've seen her in Roman Holiday, and then now this movie. And My Fair Lady, it's ⁓ do you know what it's about? justin: Mm-hmm. No. Zach: So it's she's like Cockney in that movie. She's like kind of low-c class Cockney. And basically, these like aristocrat men like make a bet that they can turn her into like a f a fair lady. Like it's kind of it's it's a remake of Taming the Shrew, the Shakespeare movie. Or Shakespeare movie. Shakespeare play. That's right. So it's kind of like a it's based on Taming of the Shrew. justin: Okay. Yeah. Zach: And so but like she has no agency in that movie and her accent is just insane because she's like cockney, low class at one point, and then she's w I don't know, like trying to be high class at another, but like she doesn't really have like i any mental faculty in that movie. She's just moving along from like being pushed by these two men. In Roman Holiday, she plays like a princess. who like basically it's like it's like the scene in Aladdin when Princess Jasmine sneaks out to the bazaar and like is d is she sneaks out of the her I don't know custody or whatever, her custodians and is, you know, in Rome and meets a writer, another writer. I feel like they always had writers in this movie, probably because writers were writing ⁓ But ⁓ and her act she doesn't justin: Mm. Zach: She talks in that movie, but like not all that much. It it's weird. The man does so much of the talking in the movie, and it's the same thing in ⁓ and so her accent wasn't as distracting, but it's very similar to this one. ⁓ and this movie she talks a lot, and I'm like, I have no idea what she sang half the time. justin: Yeah. She sh Yeah, she didn't shut the fuck up the entire movie. The I like I actually had down as one of my nitpicks and then I took it off the list because it doesn't it didn't fit but ⁓ our intro into Holly when Paul first meets her cause he's trying to get into his new apartment and that whole scene I was so blown away by how much I hate this character. Because she doesn't stop talking the entire time. And and it's so sh she says everything and she says nothing all at once. Because she just talks. And the only thing I could think of is like I I'd we've talked in the past in some of the older movies that we've talked about about how conversations and dialogue and writing are They're so interesting because you have to pay attention. It's not like modern movies where i it's it's almost like slop. It's you know, where they have to repeat Zach: Yeah, yeah. Well or th and they're so like th they're very explanatory and they say it in very simple, like fifth grade language or whatever, right? Yeah. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. And so like some of those old movies that we have talked about in the past where the the conversations are so refreshing because you have to pay attention and there's just so many elements that go into ⁓ This was not that. This was this was bloated. It didn't stop. Zach: No, it's almost like the yeah, it's almost like the dialogue doesn't really matter, right? It's like the visual. This movie's very visual. And like the humor is quote unquote is very visual in this movie, I think. It this is like one thing too, where we like we talk about like a similar time frame movie, Look Who's Guess Who or Look Who's Coming to Dinner or Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. justin: Mm-hmm. Yes. Mm-hmm. Zach: It it's more of a drama. I think it the dramas like have more longevity to them because the humor is just such of the time. And man, I was like what what they call humor, I was like, okay. You know? And I'm not I'm not even talking about like Mickey Rooney's character, you know. That's a whole nother issue. Right. justin: Is yeah. Some of the Yeah. No, a lot of yeah, the a lot of the comedy that was supposed to land in this movie and it it's so interesting because we've we've watched some movies in the past that are just as old where the comedy holds up, like ⁓ Some Like It Hot. So many Yeah, so many scenes in that movie are timeless from a comedy perspective. And this is so interesting. Zach: Yeah, something like Tots older than this, yeah. Ha ha ha. justin: But yeah, my overall like general thoughts on this movie, when the credits rolled, I think I actually said to myself, like, what did I just watch? What was this? but I will say I respect how much of a mess this movie is, 'cause I I truly I didn't know what was gonna happen next on so many scenes. It it it it takes you in places that you have Yeah Zach: I'm not sure the writers did. I'm sure they wrote one scene at a time and then filmed it. Like i it it's interesting 'cause it's based on a book by Truman Capote, right? And like Capote is a very odd dude, you know, to say the least. did you research like how what the book was about versus what this movie is about and how they adapted it at all? justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. I spent okay, I short answer no. I spent more of my time researching into why do so many people like this movie. ⁓ and trying to get to the bottom of that that barrel as opposed to researching into how this movie was made. So please enlighten me on the book that it was it Zach: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Yeah. So first of all, i in in the defense of people who do like this movie, I think there are a couple things it does very, very well. But I'm sure we'll get into what those things are, right? But like the book is much more risque. Like it's a she's like she is like the the main characters are both gay, so the guy and the girl. It's not a romance story. The justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: She is like a woman of the night, like a sex worker. And so is the guy, I think, in the book. So like it which it makes sense, like why they're in this more promiscuous world that they're in in this movie. Like like I'm like one of my first notes writing, I'm like, ⁓ this movie's like really horny, you know? And justin: Yeah. Zach: And like people are like coming in windows, there's like like why would this for example too, like the rich benefactor or woman who's like cheating on her husband with Paul, like why would she be interested? Why is she bankrolling this writer who's written like one published book or whatever for like and hadn't done anything for five years? But it makes more sense, like in the mov in the book, he's like a sex worker, right? Like he's like sleeping with her. So it's like it it's justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: There's like things that they're trying to translate this into a more family-friendly book when you put it in the context of like, well, no, really, these are like some people in some really mmm I don't know, what's the right word? But like possibly darker situations, possibly more promiscuous situations, that some of the elements that did come through from the from the book into the movie make a lot more contextual sense. Like an almost not the step on sequels, but like justin: Sure. Zach: We talk about this all the time, like some of the s I don't really I don't give a shit about how to sing a sequel to this to this fucking movie. But but I think you could make a r like a more true adaptation of the book and it would be interesting. Maybe it would maybe make more sense at the motivations of the character and and why they act the way they act and their man you know. justin: Sure. Sure. That that is that's really good background because yeah, I think you're right. It fills in kind of some of the gaps as to why why some of this stuff happens. I mean, yeah, from the get-go, like what two E? I I'm still confused as to why her they branded her two E. I Wikipedia says that her name was Zach: No no idea why her name is two E. Yeah, I don't either I justin: I don't know, Emily something, Elizabeth or whatever, but Paul decided to call her two E. I didn't catch that whatsoever. But yeah, Paul's mistr mistress, who is also slash his interior decorator. Zach: Yeah. Well her name is ⁓ so I think it two E ⁓ stands for her name is Emily and I'm gonna butcher her middle name Estance Fail Failesin Faelison or something. So it's two E is just she's just E E F, right, as her initials, so justin: Mm. There you go. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, you're exactly right. And and and I did I did happen to see that Capote was, I guess, extremely adamant that when they made this movie they butchered his his book, like the adaptation. He didn't he was he didn't like it. I did see that part. Zach: Yeah. justin: And ⁓ yeah, I I'm on board with him. I didn't like it either. It was for me, I think this was a great exercise into why hype and expectations can be severely misleading. Cause like we talked about on the intro, I think this is one of the most quintessential quote-unquote classic movies of all time. I like I think even if you've never seen Breakfast of Tiffany's, like you have seen Audrey Hepburn in the black dress and the earring. Zach: Yeah. justin: excuse me, the earrings, ⁓ like you you the imagery. You were extremely familiar with the imagery. and I I guess I went in I went into it I didn't expect this to be my new favorite movie, but I did expect it to have something that warrants hooking you know, decades of viewers. ⁓ and and you know being a f a favorite movie for so many people and for me I just didn't I didn't find it. So like I said, I dove down into why do so many people like this movie? I asked ChatGPT Zach: Yeah, so what were some of the reasons ⁓ yeah our our AI friend said justin: Yeah, so the top two were Audrey Hepburn is Holly, specifically her quote-unquote elegant yet playful personality, and then also the fantasy of New York City. It's a stylish escapist fantasy about freedom, romance, and reinventing yourself. So Regardless of how you feel about it, I think that's that that tracks, I think, for a lot of people as to why they like this movie. 'Cause I think if you read anything about Breakfast at Tiffany's, it's always Audrey Hepburn. It's her character, it's how she's this incredibly memorable role for her. but yeah, it's I disagree with both of these points. ⁓ But yeah. Zach: Well, I I think like the one thing the movie does really well i in the movie's defense. 'Cause like I said, like I think it does a few things really well and I think ⁓ the story was just not for me and the characterizations were not for me. But ⁓ what I think it does really well is it's like it's almost like doesn't matter what the dialogue is. Ca the movie can be told with almost like a silent film 'cause the the locations, the setup, the like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the what she's wearing, the dresses, like it's all very, very stylized and and she does like she the the poise that Audrey Hepburn has and the outfits that she's wearing like carry a lot of gravitas. I understand why people really like this movie if they're more enamored by like the the visualizations of the film. It is a very visually justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: striking movie in a lot at a lot of times. You know, like the scene, even like the opening scene where she's in that classic iconic black dress with the pearls and the big beehive. And she's like looking in Tiffany's in New York City, right? Like it's a very at first I was like, okay, well maybe this movie's got something. It's very interesting how they're filming it and how they're how the cinematography is in the in the in the costume design. I think justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: The costume design, which is interesting too, right? Was like very I Audrey Hepburn and like the costume designer like budded heads a lot. I don't know you saw that. Yeah, they budded heads a lot because Audrey Hepburn, she's the one who picked the look for Hawley. Sh it was her clothing. And like what she wanted Hawley to look like. And the the costume designer disagreed with her. And so the studio was like having a lot of justin: No, I didn't. Mm. Yeah. Zach: trouble b between these two. And I I obviously Audrey Hepburn was correct in her assumptions, 'cause in her her vision for the character, 'cause it was the look is so iconic. And I so I get why people would like it just for the looks like the look of it alone and the look of her alone. I think where it falls apart is like, you know, listening to it. Watching it. Listening to it. justin: Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything else. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I will give it that. And I think that's you know, not not to jump ahead, but I I will say I think that's one of the things that has H the best is the imagery. yeah, nail in the head with that one. why don't you hit us with like the actual plot summary for those who are not familiar with this movie? Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, cheese. I I dude, I don't not know on this one. Like it's so busy, but okay. So this movie follows two main characters. It follows Audrey Hepburn's Holly Go Lightly and I forgot the actor's name already. I keep forgetting his name 'cause I don't really I was not familiar with George Peppard, who plays Paul Varjak, ⁓ who is a writer. justin: George Peppard. Mm-hmm. Zach: And he's moving to New York City, or at least to a new apartment in New York City that Holly lives at. And the two of kind of strike a friendship and they're both kind of in similar places in their lives, like this kind of down on their luck, more manic kind of place. And they both, ironically, ⁓ like seek like benefactors for their lifestyle. So Holly has a mobster that she goes to visits in prison. I don't know what that's all about. ⁓ and then she's constantly trying to date rich men. And I'm not even sure what her ambition was in the movie other than just to be a social light in New York. A at first I thought maybe 'cause you meet that that ⁓ that like talent agent in it that she might have wanted to be an actress. justin: Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Mm. Zach: But I think she just wants to be a partier and a social light and taken care of by a rich man. I think that's her ambition. which would again makes more sense if in Capote's book where she would be like a lady of the night, right? Like trying to, you know. and then Paul has his own benefactor, a woman who is ⁓ married, who's wealthy, ⁓ justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Zach: Who's kind of bankrolling him while he's writing. and then yeah, the I mean it's just basically the movie goes through the two of their lives ⁓ together as she's trying to date and find other men, and he's falling more infatuated with her, and he kind of she kind of inspires him to write. and then randomly, like halfway through the movie, her background is kind of mysterious too. So like randomly, kinda halfway through the movie, her ex-husband justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I guess shows up from her From her her time back in was it i was it in Texas, I think? Yeah, in Texas. So she's from like rural Texas. So even though she portrays like this like New York social light, she's actually like a rural Texan. And married this ma this is a man. This is like an old man. Marries her when she's fourteen years old. Which is just like what the fuck? You know, like w wha w what is going on here? justin: Tech Texas. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Zach: And he wants her to come home. she doesn't want to, and it kind of I'm not even sure what the point of this is other than like just to elaborate on her more tragic background where she's kind of like just this lost person. You know? and you know, he lets her go. So it's like he comes in, she's like justin: Hmm. Zach: kind of you learn a little bit more about it's like I think just to learn a little bit more about her backstory, then sh he's like she's like, I don't want to go with you and he's like, All right, Lou ⁓ Louie May or whatever her fucking name was. And then ⁓ whatever her real name is. And then the next thing you know, she's marrying a Brazilian guy who's like a wealthy guy that you met earlier in the film. And it's very clear that she's should be with Paul, the writer. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: ⁓ but I think her instinct is to go back towards like this safe you know following the money kind of lifestyle that she's been doing. ⁓ because Paul's kind of like this open-ended, you know, like life that that that she's more unsure of. And while ⁓ she's dating the Brazilian guy. justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: ⁓ her brother dies who that to she's ki in some ways kind of doing all this for. Like she's trying to marry someone rich to take care of her brother. But he dies in not in war, but he is a soldier, but he dies like on a ca on a base. and which is also like another weird writing, right? Another piece that was like kinda weird to me. It's like you put him in the military, you make him a soldier, and then he dies in a car accident on a base. Like I don't even understand like justin: Yeah. Zach: W why is that the piece you why did you write it that way? But I mean i anything shit happens, right, I guess, but like I don't know, it's so strange. God, this movie's weird. ⁓ and then finally the it kind of all comes back around to this lobster guy that she goes to visits every week for like a hundred bucks. And she gets arrested for like trafficking narcotics. justin: Yeah. Zach: And so the Brazilian guy who's wealthy is like, well, I can't have this like stigma on my family. So he basically leaves her. And her whole like vision of like her wealthy future falls apart. And luckily Paul's there to kind of like pick her back up, but ⁓ she can't really deal with it, and so she ⁓ throws her cat out of a car. It's it's parked, but she does throw her cat out of the car. In the rain, in the pouring rain. And then justin: In the rain. In the pouring rain. Yeah. Zach: Paul's kinda like, look, ⁓ if this you have no hope. So he like leaves her and then like in that very moment, because, you know, ⁓ movie reasons, she like realizes, No, I should be with Paul. I'm gonna turn everything around and like Let's go so she gets out of the car, chases him, goes and finds the cat, and ⁓ Paul and her get together and I guess they live happily ever after. 'Cause I'm pretty sure in the sequel she's going insane again. So and you know. justin: Sure. Well done. I think even listening to that, listening to you navigate that tangled mess, Zachary. I had I never seen this movie, I would have thought you were joking. That this is not this is not a real movie plot. but well done, well said. Zach: Ha ha ha ha. It's it it's like episodic. It's almost like meant to be like a a series, a miniseries with like every episode like there's the mob guy episode, there's the, you know, Brazilian guy episode, there's the party with the rich guy from ⁓ the top nine rich n ninth richest guy under fifty or whatever episode. Like, it's almost like meant to be like little episodes where there's like, okay, the the the plot this week is this shenanigans, the plot this week is this shenanigans, the plot this week is this shenanigans. Cause it's so god's just such a strange movie. ⁓ anyways justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that yeah, that that would have been the better way to tell this story. Almost like a Gilligan's Island type type of show from back then where Yeah, what Zach: Yeah, like it doesn't really matter what happened the week before 'cause it's just like, you know, more narrative pieces of her life or whatever. justin: What hijinks is Holly gonna get up to this week? I think would have been a better fit for this. Zach: Yeah. No. It's kind of an ins just insane. I I know we have like worst character and age the worst. Do we wanna get into any of the Mickey Rooney stuff yet? Do we wanna save we'll save that? All I all I wrote all I'm gonna say is like in my notes. I I knew about the Mickey Rooney stuff, but I kind of forgot about it. It's like I kinda like, you know, y y you hear about it, right? Or like the Siamese cats from like the aristocrats or whatever, right? Like you hear about these like justin: Ha ha ha. Hm hmm. Yeah, we'll save it. I mean we don't have to go into Zach: moments in history like, ⁓ Jesus, you know. And ⁓ I kind of forgot about it and it like just opens up like right off the bat with him when she's getting into the apartment. And I just wrote Mickey Rooney, holy shit. justin: Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, we'll talk about Mickey Rooney later. ⁓ 'cause and we don't have to go into extreme detail, 'cause I think everybody who has any kind of understanding about this movie, it sounds like they know about that. Zach: Yeah, yeah, we'll get into it later. From an Oscars perspective perspective though, this was nominated for a few things. so it was nominated for best actress for Audrey Hepburn. It was s best like what would be like today adapted screenplay. ⁓ art direction, best song for Moon River, and then musical score. It won for Moon River and Musical Score. So five Oscar nominees. justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: Best actress. I don't know, man. S she's so the she's so theatrical. She just has like a look. She's got the movie star look, you know, and she carries her presence like a movie star. justin: Hard that's a stretch. Yeah. Hmm. Zach: But like, I don't know, man. And then screenplay, I'm like, this thing is a mess. It's all over it, yeah. Like justin: Yeah. It's all over the place. I I yeah, I don't know how I mean like I know it was it did have critical success when it first came out. I did read that. And and critics they loved it. ⁓ but yeah, to be nominated and I I don't know. I know this was like sixty plus years ago, but it feels like even back then that feels like a pretty big stretch to have any kind of nomination for script or writing. Zach: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha. justin: 'Cause that yeah, it's Zach: I mean the dialogue is wild. I'll give it that. Like It's not like, you know, like just exposition and utilitarian. It's wild dialogue. justin: Yeah. Yes it is. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's it's but at the same time I do it it's like it's almost like an alien wrote this, like trying to imitate how human beings talk to each other. So many so many scenes that I watched I was like this is not how two people talk. And not Well there you go. Zach: Well and Yeah, Truman Capote is kind of an alien, so. I don't know how much the dialogue has lifted from his book, but ⁓ Alright. Let's get into our superlatives. So, we're gonna have a few superlatives. So best scene, best character, worst character, age the best, age the worst, WTF really talk about I think this is the most WTF really talking about movie I've we've watched so far. ⁓ justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: There's so many things I was like, what the hell are they talking about? There's Then ⁓ what would be a good sequel or what would happen the next day and then finally hot takes and nitpicks on this movie. And then we'll rate it whether we think it should be a classic. So let's start out with you know, let's be charitable. Let's start out with best scene. justin: Hmm. Yeah, absolutely. so I'm gonna be a little bit of a smart ass here. ⁓ 'cause I have Well I have I have an No, but that's a good one. I have an honorable mention to kick things off. very, very brief. ⁓ but when Holly leaves the party, her party that she threw, when the police show up Zach: They end credits. Okay. justin: we see Paul go to the window and he looks down and he sees Holly with the rich guy that she's trying to get involved with. And Holly points the police up to her party and rats on everybody and her party while she leaves. I I I love that scene because it genuinely made me laugh. Because like Yeah, it was like, holy shit, that's really funny. ⁓ Zach: Ha ha ha. Yeah, it was it was a d it was a pretty good joke. That whole party was meant to be a joke, right? And there's like it's just flipping through scenes of like people crying or laughing in front of mirrors and like crawling on the floor and like people's h you know hats are on fire and getting poured out by drinks someone's spilling a drink on. I'm like the the the jokes for the whole scene does not work. But like that last one, that was pretty good. That was pretty good. justin: Yeah. It's it was really funny, yeah. My okay, so my my favorite scene, my best scene, was pretty much the entire doc her ex-husband showing up because that whole subplot is so ludicrous and so wild I loved every second of it. So it kinda comes it literally comes out of nowhere. You have two E, ⁓ Paul's mistress, comes up and is like, There's a strange man outside. So Paul seems like he's gonna go check it out, right? He's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna go down there and I'll I can't remember if he's Yeah, exactly. So he goes downstairs and then he walks away. And they play this weird game of Doc is gonna follow Paul into Central Park and it's like this creepy cat and mouse almost. Anyway, he catches up to him. They Zach: D cut. He seems like he's gonna confront him, right? Yeah. justin: start having the most bizarre conversation about how Holly, yeah, got married to Doc when she was fourteen. she has four kids, but they aren't her kids. yeah. And then Doc needs Paul to help introduce him to Holly so she doesn't run away. Zach: Yeah, I don't what I what the hell that means. justin: but then she spends time with Doc doing lord knows what. We have no idea what they're doing. They could be having sex, we don't know. ⁓ but she's she is happy to see Doc. Like it's Yeah, she's not like, ⁓ my god, get him away from me. It's nothing like that. She's excited to see him and spend time with him. Zach: Yeah, she's like excited to see him. No, it's like very consensual in their like like love for each other, even though she's like I just I'm I'm just too much of a wildflower or whatever, you know, like justin: Yeah. ⁓ but then she confides in Paul that she wasn't they weren't ⁓ The marriage was annulled, so they're not currently married, even though Doc says they are, but that she needs Paul to go with her to, I guess, the bus station to get rid of Doc, because she can't do it by herself. and then when she tells Doc she's not going back to Texas with him, he's totally cool with it. Like, after hunting her down, after doing everything he can to find her, he's like, Yeah, it's cool, just make sure she eats. She's too skinny. This entire scene makes no sense. It is so everything about it makes no Zach: It comes out of nowhere. You could have done this with dialogue, right? She could have been like, I was in Texas. You know, she she gets a little bit drinking one night. He's naked in bed again, 'cause that's when she visits his room. And she's like, you know, opens up a little bit. Like you could do this in three minutes of dialogue. I don't understand. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This entire the entire s like little side quest of Doc coming into the scene. Of this movie, it just makes zero sense. It has no reason to exist, but I loved it. I loved every second of it. I laughed from the time that he said he married her when she was 14 to when to when he says make sure she eats because she's too skinny. I loved it. Because it's just the most ludicrous thing I think I've ever seen in a movie. It's just so stupid, so dumb. Zach: Ha ha ha. I don't know. The the the th I think the most ludicrous scene in this movie is when she gets when they get arrested. And like Mickey Rooney's and hit the the Mr. Yasho y Yanoshini or whatever you say you say his name. Yunyoshi, yeah. Mr. Yunioshi's like like in their apartment with justin: Yo y Unioshi. Zach: The police officers and she's getting arrested. I'm like, wait, what is happening? And she's like, You're getting arrested for narcotics trafficking. I'm like justin: Yeah. ⁓ Zach: And then they get to the police station and it's just full of press and they're taking her pictures and they're like I'm like, why would the press care this much about these two losers? Like i i you know, like I I I that was the most I mean, the the yeah, the the doc slub plot just completely insane. But the ⁓ the getting arrested for narcotics trafficking out of nowhere. justin: Mm-hmm. Wild. Yeah, this they kind of allude to it like when when Paul Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When he says it's snowing or it's gonna snow in Louisiana, you're like, ⁓ okay, they're talking about drugs. ⁓ but it doesn't I I guess I missed any kind of call out that Holly was helping relay information or ca I she almost Zach: Yeah, y you know the weather report thing's gonna mean something, but I think I yeah, I think it was meant to be like so I don't know, again, like how she gets involved with him. But she's like he you know, he just wants someone to talk to. He's a lonely old man, so he pays me a hundred dollars a week to do that. Then he gives me the weather report and I tell her it the lawyer, quote unquote, the weather. And then that lawyer goes and not b not being a lawyer goes and tells like, you know, this is what the boss wants from drugs for something. Drug trafficking stuff. justin: Mm-hmm. Gotcha. Okay. Okay. See, I caught I caught like the the the beginning discuss or the beginning excuse me conversation between her and Paul where she tells him that she goes and meets whatever his name is, Tomato at at the Sing Sing jail, and she gets paid a hundred dollars to go and just talk with him. Yeah. I miss the part where she said that she relays the the weather Zach: Sally Tomato, I think is his name. I I do you think that's supposed to be like a joke again? Like ⁓ justin: It it probably is, 'cause nothing nothing makes sense about the nothing in this movie makes any kind of sense. So it probably is a joke in some capacity. What was your favorite scene or best scene? Zach: So I think I had like Two maybe. So like the scene when so she meets Paul, right? He like shows up at he's like, Can I use your phone? And then all of a sudden they're best friends and he's like hanging out in their apartment for like fifteen minutes. ⁓ but then she goes out and comes back that night and he's his benefactor lady has just left. justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hm. Zach: ⁓ and she sneaks into his apartment. He's like basically like naked in bed, right? I thought that scene was like pretty good of them bonding. now I you know, I I thought it for an exposition scene and like setting up characters, it was pretty good. It you know, I thought it was fine. I did was like that's when I wrote down, like, God, this movie's really horny. And I'm like and like I'm like I I literally said like justin: Yeah. Hm. Yeah. Huh. Zach: So like is one of them a sex worker? Like I literally wrote that down and then when I did the research later I like, ⁓ that makes sense why they're acting this way. Like ⁓ now the dream scene where she's like talking in her sleep but it's like fully legible. Terrible acting. Yeah, too terrible acting. Just the worst. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, full sent full sentences. I had I had that actually written down. ⁓ when she starts speaking in full sentences while she's dreaming and then I put terrible acting in quotes. Zach: Yeah. But I I didn't think it was a bad scene. I know, right? The I didn't think it was a bad scene. And then ⁓ the like kinda the montage of their days of the day of like I'm gonna make you do something you haven't done and you're gonna do something I haven't done and I it was like a fun scene. But they're just the worst people. They're making each other do the worst things. Like, let's go steal from a store. Let's go, you know, whatever like I'm like, what is happening? ⁓ anyways, I just wanted to throw that one out there as a possible contender. There's also the hor the Holly's party, which we've already talked about, not not for me. And then the last one, which I do think is actually my ⁓ justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: like best scene. I th I do think maybe 'cause it's just iconic and the movie slows down and they're not really the dialogue isn't too distracting is the when she's playing Moon River on the balcony. I do think it's a very like nice moment between the characters and it kind of, you know justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: Her character like shows a little bit of like humanity there opposed to like being this kind of manic nut job. So so I I thought it was a g ⁓ I thought it was a good performance and a good scene. So I don't know. Maybe the Moon River scene, but I think you've convinced me on yours, so justin: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the Moon River scene I do think it it actually that is a great connection into Doc and her past life in Texas because yeah, in that scene I wanna say she has like a bandana in her hair and she has a guitar. Zach: Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah, it's like the one time that she's not that she doesn't have like the New York social like beehive. justin: Yeah, exactly. And I think if you were to cut that entire subplot of her previous life and marriage, I think the Moon River scene of her singing on the balcony would be so out of place. But I think it actually helps it fit more 'cause it's almost it's it's a tie back to her previous life before she became who she was, you know, today in the movie. yeah, no, and I mean like I think Zach: Yeah. justin: From what I gather from from reading everything online, I the song in that scene are some of the most iconic ⁓ from this movie. ⁓ like the the Moon River Zach: Yeah, I I feel like the two scenes are like the most iconic scenes, like her like window shopping at the beginning of the movie in her black dress at Tiffany's and then and then her ⁓ her playing Moon River. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Zach: Carly loves like the eye mask that she wears with like the closed eyes on it. She's like that's like to her, she's like that's like the epitome of like style, right? That's like when you know she like loves that eye mask. justin: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Well it's a great callback to your point earlier about how the imagery of this movie is so strong. And yeah, it's it's those little things right there that stick with you, I think, ⁓ long after the movie is ended. ⁓ you remember the eye mask, you remember her dress, you remember God, I remember everything in Paul's gaudy apartment. We'll get to that. Yes he did. Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's got he hired a designer, right? justin: But yeah, it's the imagery. And I think that is yeah, a great call out by Carly, 'cause it's those things I think that stick with you, but and those s those specific scenes. Zach: Yeah, yeah. What about the end scene where she's in the c taxi and he's giving her like what I think is supposed to be like somewhere in this speech is like an iconic line moment, right? But I don't know if any of them really hit. ⁓ and then she throws the cat out of the car, and then it's like raining, but like the rain is like really, really intense. Like they are it is like someone's like taking a fire hose to their face. It's so intense. justin: Mm-hmm. It's pouring. Yeah. They're drenched. The only thing I could think of was watching them in their raincoats thinking like they have to be soaked all the way through. There's no way that that rain is actually repelling anything. But yeah, that entire ending scene I I laughed because it felt like it was starting to get legs. You have Paul's monologue. ⁓ Zach: Yeah. justin: And then she runs after him, and you're like, ⁓ my god, this is okay. Maybe it's gonna finally make sense. And she runs up to Paul and she's like, Where's the cat? And then goes down the alley to find the fucking cat. And it it's like it it hits the brakes on what would otherwise I was expecting her to run into Paul's arms. They have a big romantic kiss and like that's the that's the end. But she goes on this side quest to find this goddamn cat. And I know it's supposed to be Some analogy into like finding herself because she starts spinning out of control when she can't find the cat. The music ramps up like she's having a panic attack, and then the cat's right there, and it's like, ⁓ my god, success, victory, I found the cat. But it did not hit for me. It did not do it. It just felt like a distraction. Zach: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And and and in her defense, if you you know, if she like tossed her cat out the car and then you come I'm looking for the cat because I'm like, you can't do that. And then she comes up and then she's like, I love you, and I'm like, Well get the fucking cat. You know, like you did like what are you doing? The poor cat could be like you know, so in her def in her defense, like I you know, I probably would have been like, Don't kiss me. justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: You threw the cat at the car. Like I know you've like woken up from five minutes ago of being the worst person. But like we gotta find this cat. Some maybe I'm like more pr maybe I'm more sen or ⁓ sensitive to the cat as my you know but justin: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Which is funny 'cause you're allergic to cats. I would have I would have assumed you hate cats. Zach: Ha ha ha. ⁓ anyways. Alright, so best scene. What do you let's go with your scene? I think that that's a good call. Let's go with the I guess the sequence when Doc shows up and you're just like It's entertaining. It's it's entertaining. Yeah. justin: Mm. Okay. Like what is happening? Yes it is. Yes it is. You think it's gonna be I I thought he was I thought Doc was a part of the mob coming to get Paul. Like I that's what I thought it was. I again to my point earlier, I never knew where this movie was gonna take me. And did not see Holly's ex husband who married her at fourteen being the reason why that man was stalking Paul. Never saw it coming. Zach: Yeah, yeah. Ha ha. All right, let's do best and worst characters. justin: Mm, once you kick it off, what was your best character? The cat ⁓ Zach: ⁓ dude, it's easy for me. No doubt the cat. The cat's the best character. I'm like, cat acting? Incredible. Like that's some good cat acting. You know? it's that's a calm cat. It just sits there. You put it on top of a deer head or whatever it sits on at one point. Like, just it's great cat acting. justin: Yes, it was. It was. Like if you Yeah. That cat w jumped down from heights onto people's shoulder. That doesn't that that has to take training. Zach: When the when she when she like is ⁓ when she learns that her brother dies starts breaking the whole apartment and like throws the cat and it like lands on the on the window, ⁓ on the blinds of the window and like holds on, I'm like, ⁓ look at that cat. It's like justin: Yeah, it's an impressive cat. I think I I completely agree with you. I think the cat's the best character. My my nomination for best character sucks compared to to the cat. I had Paul specifically in the first half of the movie because he's the most normal thing about the movie. He is painfully ordinary in this wa yeah. Zach: Okay. Yeah, he's unperturbed by anything, right? Like he does not get sh rattled. justin: No, I I mean like he is ordinary in this wild fever dream of a movie, but he he almost feels like a real person, like he has a job. We don't know what his job is, but we know that he he at least has enough money, or at least so we think. We don't know he's being bankrolled by his mistress, to afford a new apartment, to of to be able to afford to have an interior designer come in and you know, like he's well put together, he wears nice suits, all the things. but he so much Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah. justin: of his involvement early on in the movie almost feels like he's he's I don't want to say cleaning up Holly's messes but like kind of I like I feel like his role at the party ⁓ was kind of to be yeah almost like a janitor right like when Holly sets that lady's hat on fire. Paul is the one that's like whoa we gotta put put that out. When the police come Paul is the one that gets I think his name is Jose. He gets him out of there so he doesn't get arrested for I don't know why he would get arrested but he gets Zach: Mm-hmm. I think it's more like he doesn't want to be associated with like you know, mm some sort of c if controversy is the right word or like you know, like I think he's just like he's very aware of his image in Brazil and doesn't wanna like threaten that. Like is what it's supposed to be, but I don't ⁓ yeah. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean I I almost felt bad for Paul because in the beginning, like if there was kind of like a budding romance, you don't really see it. They in the beginning they really are just kind of friends or two people that live in the Yeah. ⁓ Zach: Mm. Which is how the book is written apparently. So ⁓ makes more sense, right? Yeah. justin: ⁓ but he constantly has to deal with Holly's bullshit. And yeah, I mean, he goes downhill massively for me in the back half of the movie. ⁓ but hands down, the cat wins best character, because that is the most impressive cat I think I've ever seen in film. Zach: There you go. ⁓ do we want to talk about Holly here or do we wanna wait for Holly? justin: ⁓ under best character? I do not. If you wanna jump into worst character, I'm all on board. Zach: Yeah. Okay. Well w look, there is a winner for worst character. But but yeah, so let's go with cat I mean cake, cat's best character, hands down. Next one. Alright. So worst character. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: Let's talk about Audrey Hepper for a little bit. I feel like we we we owe it we'll we'll get to Mickey Mr. Yunioshi. justin: Mr. Mr Y Mr. Yunioshi Yeah. I've got ⁓ Mr. Yeah, okay. Yeah, let's start with let's start with Audre Audrey Hepburn. Zach: We we gotta spend some time talking about Holly Go lightly as like an icon of f film, like used as like a poster child on like Paramount's like, you know, intro at the beginning of a movie if they're flipping through like, you know, the success of film or whatever, right? Like an iconic character that I found genuinely unlikable. I think at one point I wrote down, was she the original manic pixie, you know, dream girl? I'm like, well then she's also like justin: Mm-hmm. No. Zach: A gold digger, and then she's also like maybe a sociopath. Like she's just an insane person. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think I I think let's distinguish here too. I I I don't know how I feel about Audrey Hepburn. I think her as an actress, I think she was fine. I d I don't know if she was iconic. Yeah. And there's there's a handful of yeah, there's a handful of scenes where she is it's terrible acting, like the dreams the the dream sequence, right? But h Holly as a character is Zach: Yeah, maybe a little bit theatrical, right? But yeah. But this is the fifties. Yeah. justin: I at least I I I think we're on the same page here. Extremely unlikable. I had written down she is volatile, period. Because you never know what she's gonna be. Like the the whole scene of them of Paul and Holly having their day out and having fun, and then it ends with like a romantic kiss, and it really feels like a budding relationship, and then the very next day Zach: ⁓ yeah, she's chaos. justin: She wants nothing to do with Paul. And she's making plans to marry Jose and leave the country and go move down to I can't remember what it was. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, something. Brazil, sorry. There we go. like that level of volatility is so Zach: It's Brazil. justin: unlikable. ⁓ yeah, you you it's funny. I don't know if we saw the same thing. So in my quest to find like what do people think about this movie and why do they love it so much, ⁓ as Reddit user one urban achiever said, Holly is the quote unquote original manic pixie dream girl character. Zach: Mm. Yeah, I just wrote that came that that was an original thought on my hand. I didn't copy copy Reddit, but justin: There you go. There you go. But I think that is a wonderful description of her. She is manic, ⁓ every scene you don't know if sh is she gonna be up, is she gonna be down? what her motive Zach: Yeah. Yeah, I think the thing that makes her not the pixie dream girl part is like the gold digging part. But she's kinda doing it altruistically for her brother in a l in some ways. But i i like you can tell the writers are like they're trying in in Audrey Hepper herself is like trying to play like this very thin line of like being so like unlikable yet like you're justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: the performance makes it likable. Like like she's like such a mess that, you know, they're trying to like thin that needle, right? Like, you know, or not thin that needle, ⁓ you know, like but they're trying to like keep it on this very thin line of like, are we going too far or not? And I think for a lot of people who watch this movie, especially when it first came out, they didn't go too far. They like landed exactly where they needed to be for her character to be like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: just in s corky and insane enough to be entertaining, but the performance to be and Audrey Hepper's performance to be likable. And with time or maybe just with opinion, I completely think they missed it. justin: Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. She's yeah. It th her c the character of Holly Go Lightly is I just I don't know how to describe it other than volatile. It's the only thing that comes to me. 'Cause it's just all over the place. but I mean like I know that Zach: Yeah yeah and Yeah. justin: It is an iconic character for so many people. They love her eccentric personality and all of the things and yeah, I don't know. I I know we've had this conversation so many times in the past, and not that, you know, our main characters need to be altruistic and like the best people on the planet, but it just gets hard to get behind rooting for a character when they are borderline. Zach: Mm-hmm. So self destructive and yeah. justin: Yeah, yeah. Like when Paul tells off Holly at in the cab at the very end, I like I thought she got everything that she deserved. I didn't want to see Polly ⁓ sor Polly. Paul and Holly. Yeah. I did not want to see Paul end up with Holly. Like I didn't feel like Holly deserved to be with them. Because Zach: Hello, baby. justin: Why would she? What what has she ever given Paul that would deserve his attention and and his, you know, devotion as a partner, as a his whatever? Zach: Yeah, maybe inspiration to write his, you know, short story that he sold or whatever, but that's about it. Yeah. justin: Yeah, exactly I mean it but it it's it's difficult to want to root for Holly as a character for me personally, ⁓ to want her to succeed, to get what she wants, her motivations fulfilled. That was tough. Tough. I had I also had Zach: Yeah, yeah. All right. justin: little side note, Paul in the second half as s as the runner up worst character, purely because wh what on earth? Why why would you want to be with Holly? from her leading you on while pursuing other men. There she wants to get married twice to random dudes that she doesn't even know while Paul is like, I I love you. I want to be with you. I had Zach: In her defence, when she's doing that, he's also like side hustling his li I I keep calling it his benefactor. But wha what was the character's name? Twee. Yeah. justin: Yeah. To e to E, yeah. I had written down like she also she refuses to call Paul by his name and will only call him Fred. And I the only thing I could think of, Zachary, while I was watching this is how would you feel if Carly refused to call you Zach and would only call you Rick? How would you feel? Would that not make you so upset? It would it would fry me. Zach: Well it's but it it's so weird too. In the beginning of the movie she's like, You look like my brother Fred. I'm gonna call you Fred. Can I call you Fred? He's like, Sure. Like a and maybe he's just thinking like, I'll never talk to this woman again, right? I'm just using her phone. But like it is weird. I agree. justin: Ha ha. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's odd. But yeah, it's purely for the sense of Paul gets treated like trash, which you know, there is there is no expectation that Holly would treat him any other way, but the fact that he keeps coming back and he wants to pursue a relationship with this person who is is chaos in a bottle. it drove me nuts. It really did. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: Okay, so now that that's out of the way, let's get to the main event. Mickey Rooney, Mr Mr Yoshi Yuniyoshi. Holy shit. Zach: Mm-hmm. Yunioshi. God dude. This is the w this is the winner. It's just ⁓ my god. Like the makeup is not good. The characterization is horrible. What it has been said a million times by a million people stands up true to this day. It's not aging any better. It's only aging worse. And it's not even that funny. Like it I like you know, maybe if you put like justin: Yeah. Yes, it does. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: a Jackie Chan in the role if you have to have him be like an Asian character. And like Jackie Chan has like the comedic you know comedic timing and like the mannerisms and like he could make it something, you know? I if you wanted the like yeah, but justin: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Zach: This is not it. justin: Yeah. It's it like the worst I think yeah, w I think i if you have any understanding of this movie, ⁓ you're very well versed into this character, why it's offensive, all the things. I think what shocked me, because I did look into this just on Wikipedia and and the internet and all the things, is that Mickey Rooney, even like years later, w was apparently shocked that his portrayal was offensive. And said that like he had no idea that people were offended by this. And that when they shot this movie, he and the director had s so much fun doing this. but then I guess the the studio when the Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: They I think we're doing like the the marketing and like, you know, the advertising for the movie. They leaned into this, into that like there's this character. I guess they did not say that Mickey Rooney was portraying this character, but they said that it was gonna be ⁓ what was it? It it it was like Ohio ⁓ arrigato, like hello and goodbye, like that but Ohio Zach: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello and thank you, I think, is what it stood for. justin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello and thank you. This Ohio Arigato is going to be playing this That that is borderline racist, that you're just throwing out random Japanese words. ⁓ but that is the name of the person that's going to play this. It's just wild and I know it's a sign of the time and I know it's the sixties where like racial jokes are not like what they are today, but it's it's tough. It really is. Even I think modern day fans of this movie, they are almost all in unison online that Yeah. Zach: Yeah. But you ca you you can't. You can't. It's so bad. It's so egregious. justin: Yeah, like everybody everybody says, I love this movie, but it's hard to watch Mickey Rooney as that character. it's tough. Zach: Yeah. Yeah. So I think hands down winner, worst character, Mickey Rooney. Just like for the performance alone, for the people who came up with the idea, for the marketing behind the character, just everything about it. I mean it it could be easily in Age the Worst too. It's gonna win Age the Worst as well, right? Like there's other things I can talk we can talk about in Age the Worst. But like it's just worst character, not funny, just justin: Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Zach: Horrendous. So Alright man. Let's do well before we come back to this in a minute, let's do Age the Best. justin: Yeah, yeah. okay, I have a weird one, but I had down Paul's ending monologue when he leaves Holly and the Cab. I actually really liked it. I thought out of everything that was written in this movie, this was one of the more well wit written things. Zach: Hmm. Okay. Yeah. justin: It was kind of the first time that I actually felt some some real heart in this movie. I don't think it makes any kind of sense because so much of what he says in that last scene doesn't really fit what Holly has been painted out to be, but I think the actual dialogue itself was phenomenal. Zach: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now y you can tell they were looking for their like, you know, Casablanca moment where it's like, you know you know, someday, you know, you'll f what is like like they were looking for their final Casablanca speech, right? And they're looking for that like iconic line that's gonna go into like the Hall of Fame of cinema lines. I feel like there were several moments in it where he like stopped almost to be like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I said something important in it, right? So and it it is well written. It just I just don't think any of them actually ever achieve like what Casablanca did. But ⁓ but you can tell in that scene, yeah, that they're really trying to be like, this is the scene, this is the moment where something we're gonna if something's gonna be iconically said, it's this scene. I did I had cinematography, it was nominated for it. I thought it was pretty good, right? ⁓ the costume design as well. Yeah. justin: Yeah. No. Yeah, completely agree. Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ for sure. The costume design hands down is yeah, going back to just the imagery of this movie. Yeah. Mm. Zach: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ I had New York City. It's a great movie location, but ⁓ it works like the city has a c has kind of a character in this movie. And it's interesting, right, 'cause it's like nineteen sixties New York and so it's like before like and I don't know if it really was that way in the sixties, but it's kinda before like the seventies, eighties, like taxi driver in New York that's grungy and like crime ridden. ⁓ so it's like back it's like kinda New York today where it's a lot more ⁓ justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: safer and the more of like a a magical place to live and like there's a pot the possibility of the city. And so I think it did a really good job capturing that. justin: Yeah, absolutely. Zach: ⁓ I had how Audrey Hepburn pulls off the beehive. Not many people can do that. She pulls it off, she does it well. So much my grandmother had that haircut, like I'm pretty sure because of Audrey Hepburn. And she carried it through her whole life. Like You met my grandma, right? You saw her. She was still sorta rocking it. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I I actually agree. I as a as a heterosexual male, I was struck by how many times watching this movie I was like, her hair looks really good. because so many scenes, like her hair does. It looks great. Even like the scenes where she like just woke up and she's just bopping around her apartment. ⁓ but yes, I think the it like the costume design, hair makeup, all the things, like it it yeah. Zach: Ha ha ha. Ready? Yeah, you almost think of her with the beehive. 'Cause like in I told you, like the other movies I watched, ⁓ in Roman holiday, she has like a pixie cut. It's like very short. And then in ⁓ she really like she has like a very messy hair in ⁓ 'cause she's playing like like, you know, a low class woman in ⁓ My Fair Lady. And then when she's not with her messy hair, when she is like the elegant version of her, she's always wearing a hat. So it's like more about the hats. justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Sure. Yeah. Zach: I would say it's very similar to this movie, like very much about the style of the clothing that she's wearing, as opposed to actually being a character necessarily, but and then the last one I had. when Paul gets to the party and he meets OJ the agent, ⁓ he asks for a drink and he's like, I'll get a bourbon, it's like on the rocks. And I'm like, It's a good drink, man. I appreciate that drink. I love bourbon on the rocks. So age is the best for me. It's like that's my drink. Hey, there you go. justin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. There you go. Zach Zach: Me and Paul sa drinking the same. I like, I'll get him some ⁓ you know I'm like, here's some Buffalo Trace, Paul. We're gonna be buddies. Let's go. Yeah, my justin: Zack connected with the liquor in this movie. You all heard it here first. Yeah, those are good ones. I like those. Zach: Alright, let's get to ⁓ Age the Worse. Alright, Mickey Rooney. And then yeah, number one. Number one. justin: Mickey Rooney, moving on. Number two, Holly getting married at fourteen. Zach: Yep, no that's not good. ⁓ the the one sheet when he meat stock, I'm like grown ass man eating cracker jacks. Not good. justin: Well. Yeah, that wasn't good. And I guess ⁓ Zach: Not as bad as the other things we just mentioned, but I was like, come on, man. justin: I guess I didn't I didn't think about it, but that that Cracker Jack box from Doc, that's where they got the ring, right? That p yeah. So that's also I don't know, that's kinda weird when you think about he got his ring. Hmm. Mm. Zach: Yeah, yeah. I maybe it was different in the sixties, right? I'm like Crackerjacks, like what is going on? You know? The the we ha we talked about it, but I had the dream sequen the dream scene where she's like talking in her sleep, I'm like, just terrible acting. She yells at him, I hate Snoops. I'm like, okay. Like ⁓ There's so many times when like she's talking the men are talking to her justin: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Zach: And like even like Paul says this, like you belong to me. Like no na justin: Yeah. Paul and that whole scene at the library, Paul Paul kinda grabbed and shook her a little bit too a little too hard. I I actually kinda winced on a couple of those 'cause he put some power in behind behind those. Zach: Yeah. I know she goes back and gets the cat, but the cat abandonment une unexcusable. Just unexcusable behavior. justin: Yeah. It's really bad. Zach: Like when she at the very beginning of the movie too that I think his name is like Sir or Sid Arkbach or something, but it's just one of the men that she met who's rich and he's like you know, he's thinking, like, I bought you things, you owe me something I'm like, Jesus, ⁓ my god, just justin: Mm-hmm. But going back to your point about like the her Yeah, like her character in the book that lines up, that makes sense. Zach: The ⁓ men behavior around her. Yeah, yeah. Just w any other things that for you that you had? I mean Mickey Rooney's the w it's the clear winner of this category. Again, he wins worst character anyway and age the worst. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Now That's all I had was Mickey Rooney's character and Holly getting married at fourteen. That's tough. That's a tough one. Zach: Alright. ⁓ what are they talking about? WTF. justin: So you know me, I infamously do not use subtitles. There were so many, but after a certain point, because the dialogue was so fast in some scenes, I just stopped trying. But I did write down, when Holly and Paul are talking about him being a writer, and she makes the comment about his typewriter that there's no ribbon in it. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: I don't know if a lot of people understand that. I feel like I only understood it because my grandmother had an old typewriter with the ribbon. She would show me all the things. Zach: Yeah. I feel like we were at the at the age where like your grandparents' house still might have had a typewriter in it when you were a little kid, 'cause that's exactly my great grandparents had a typewriter in it. I used to play on it. But like my kids, no context for what that means. I don't think they'll ever see a typewriter, right? Unless they're like, you know, at an antique store or something. justin: Yeah. Yeah. They'll never know. Yeah. A as as well they shouldn't r Yeah. I I feel like for anybody under the age of like twenty five is probably there high chance that they're not gonna know what the typewriter ribbon the ink ribbon is. Zach: Yeah. Have you have you ever said cross your heart and kiss your elbow? Like the kiss your elbow piece that was justin: I have never heard that. Yeah, yeah. Never never heard that. Zach: I don't know, man, that one and then like when OJ was calling her a phony, which I get like what a phony is, but I'm like I'm like, are you using it in the right term? The right way? Like he's she's a phony, she's a phony. Like she's just pretending to be a socialite, I guess, basically. I I don't know. I was like he kept calling her a phony. I'm like, I'm not sure we're using that word the same way these these days, but Yeah. The when she's at ⁓ justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Zach: When they're at Tiffany's and like the one thing she can buy for ten dollars is the phone dial. justin: Hm. ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: Like I guess it's like a stylish for an iPad today, be like a Tiffany stylist, you know. justin: That is a good point. I mean I I kinda just yeah, context clues on the the phone dial, but yeah, I've never seen or heard of one of those before. Zach: I think ⁓ there's at one point too, like she like talks about like someone having a dinner club card. No idea. No idea what a dinner club card is. A five a five and ten store where they go and that's where they went and robbed? Like it was a five and ten. I think it's like a dollar store now, right? It'd be like, you know, inflation has raised five and tens to to dollar stores. justin: Mm, yeah. Same. Mm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: she says that like he's like, Love has found you like Andy Hardy. No idea who Andy Hardy is. Yeah. justin: ⁓ I do remember that one when he said it and I had no idea who Andy Artie was. Zach: Did you do so did you did you look up who it was at all or anything? No clue. Yep. ⁓ let's see what else I got here. I had so many, I'm like I had to like stop writing him down. 'Cause it was just like the the what the little like colloquial, you know, or slang they're using. ⁓ let me should I can read my bad handwriting here. Said a sh like justin: No. No cool. Yeah. Zach: She says this, a shade of limelight that ruins a girl's complexion. They have to rope up every saloon in town. No idea what she means. I think she's meaning like like not I don't have my makeup on. But she justin: Yeah, probably. I I yeah, I'm in the dark on that one too. No clue. Zach: There was just especially her character, I felt like had like she's meant to be cool, so she's using a lot of slang, she has like a lot of play on words. But they just lose some context, you know, today, right? I thought it would be interesting too, is like cause he when he meets her, their meat cute for kids would be so like baffling is like he meets her and he's like, Can I use your phone? justin: Mm-hmm. Hm, yeah. Mm. Zach: Like she has to go into someone's house to borrow a phone. That was like a normal occurrence you would do like as a good Samaritan to your neighbor or something, is like, Yeah, come over, use the phone, it's okay, right? Like, you know, if you need to use a phone, right, come over to my house and you can use it. Like not a thing that anyone would have a reason to do nowadays, right? You know. Yeah. justin: No. Yeah, absolutely not. It'd be creepy to do now. You're not I'm not gonna let you in my house, strange man. Zach: Yeah. Alright, what about ⁓ do you wanna do you got any other WTS? I know I I I I rattled off a bunch of them. ⁓ The this is a big one, 'cause they talk about it through the whole movie for me. When she says she get like fifty dollars for a powder room. justin: No, no. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, what does that mean? Zach: I have no clue what that is at all. I I know she's like spending money on something. That she just but it's like a powder room. I have no idea. I meant to look it up because I was like, I'm looking it up right now. It just drove me crazy. Cause I'm like, what is this? They keep talking about it. $50 for A. Or maybe it's in a powder room. I don't know. justin: Yeah. Zach: Okay, here we go. What does fifty dollars for a powder room mean? Go to the cozyvibes.com. In many contexts if dollars g can spark curiosity and chatter, it's the core reflex to fee charged. It's a fee charge to use the restroom, particularly in establishments like bars, restaurants, and special events, the turpat room. Okay. Like why would you spend fifty dollars for ⁓ to go to the bathroom? That doesn't make sense. justin: Yeah, but if it's like a fancy bathroom. But yeah, ⁓ Zach: It's a phr okay, it's a phrase. Fifty dollars for a pattern room is a euphemism for charging someone to use the restroom, often in upscale s so social settings. historically a pad room is a private space where a woman can apply makeup and blah blah blah blah blah. So maybe she's there's saying that it's like she's just saying that she's always going to like expensive places is like the is the is the term. But I ha they kept bringing it up. I had no clue. justin: Mm, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: What they were talking about. justin: Mm. Yeah, absolutely. Zach: But anyways. Alright, let's go to sequels real quick. What would be your ideal sequel? justin: The ideal sequel is Paul is at the altar waiting to get married and then Holly has another manic episode and says, I can't marry you and runs away to Brazil. ⁓ I mean yeah, like I don't see any kind of future between them because ⁓ yeah. Zach: Yeah, you know that's what's happening. A hundred percent. She's not marrying him. No, the only future Paul has to make it big. He has to sell like the next American novel, get a ton of money, and then she's like and he just has to l like put up with her shenanigans. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or if we want to be really edgy, we can do a prequel and we can explore Holly's marriage to Doc when she was fourteen. Zach: I don't want to see that at all. justin: Let's hit that let's hit that one home. Zach: I don't need to see that. I'm okay, you know? I do wanna understand what these children are, you know. justin: Yeah. Yeah, how they were I d yeah. We don't even have to get in Zach: How they're considered her children, she's like twenty five. justin: Yeah. I I can't fathom being fourteen years old and being told these are your kids now. Zach: No, ⁓ yeah. I know I've used this one all like before, but I I think you could remake this and like I would be interesting now that like it's not so taboo to do a story about, you know, g people who are gay or ⁓ the you know, or sex workers or whatever. Like I think you could tell a really interesting drama related to this and put like dar or like a dark comedy. We just watched justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: Our last movie was ⁓ not Tombstone, but the movie before that was Fargo. I actually do think the Cohen brothers could make a really interesting version of this movie, like a dark humor kind of comedy of this movie. So I I think that would be interesting. justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree. I would want to see yeah, either like a different kind of movie or like some type of show where it explores all these random shenanigans. Zach: Yeah. Alright, let's get into some nitpicking. Picking on some nits. justin: I'm actually not gonna go too hard on this. I have two. Yeah. Zach: Okay. I I don't have a ton either. 'Cause the movie's like so silly and surreal, I don't know if it's like ⁓ y if you can meant to be taking it seriously, right? justin: You Yeah, you can't take it too seriously. And we've already hit out at a lot of the big stuff. But yeah, why don't you kick it off? Zach: In the opening scene where she's at Tiffany's looking in and she's eating the pastry. ⁓ girl, take your gloves off. You're wearing gloves holding a pastry? I'm like not good. That is just pull the glove off. Why you wanna ruin your gloves? Like this is some sticky crap all over your glove. I don't know. But it bugged me. It just bugged me. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. Look at you, Fashionista. Alright. That's what I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna get you some ⁓ Zach: I wrote I wrote come on, what are you, an animal? Take your gloves off. justin: I'm gonna get you some gloves for Christmas. I didn't know that you were that deep into into the glove live. Zach: ⁓ in the fashion I'm just saying like that's a pastries are messy. And gloves are not permanently attached to your body. They're easy to take off, you know? justin: Yeah, they are messy. ⁓ my first one I had two ⁓ just two E decorating Paul's apartment. Holy shit. That apartment, I mean I don't know if you can throw it into the category of like this is the visual appeal of this movie. His apartment was almost like French chateau extravagance. there's like big chandeliers, Zach: Yeah. Mm-hmm. justin: gold everywhere, like gold gilded phone, mirrors, paintings. He had I'm sure you saw it because I saw it, because I I'm a nerd and I love swords. He had two swords next to his front door in like an umbrella bucket, like sabers. but also the weird thing, so i like their apartments are not large. They're very small apartments, both Paul and Holly's. But we get to see when Paul Zach: Yeah. justin: cuts things off with 2E. He walks he has in this tiny apartment a massive walk in closet filled with suits that looks so out of place because his bedroom is like connected to his kitchen and his living room, but he has Yeah. Like Zach: No, yeah, every clo every room is like the same size as that closet. He's got like three rooms and it's like a bedroom, a kitchen, slash living room, and closet. justin: And I I am no expert into apartment design from the nineteen sixties, but that feels like a very poor use of space. ⁓ but it just it struck me as yeah. Zach: Yeah. That's how I felt when they had the party at her house. I felt like her house was like the size of like a like I don't know, an office or something at like, you know, or a cubicle. Like it sh her house felt very small and I'm like, There's fifty people here. There's no there's a hundred people there. I'm like, there's no way anyone is staying in that room. Like they're like dancing, having the greatest time of their lives, and I'm like Ugh Like this justin: Yeah. No, definitely not. Yeah. But it it made me laugh because I or when two E when she first shows up and she tells Paul like while I was waiting for you to get here, I went ahead and took the liberty of decorating your entire apartment. If you hate it, we'll tear it all out and we'll start from scratch. I was expecting when we got up to his apartment that it was gonna be like, Whoa, this is really cool. And it was I know style sty Yeah, style is subjective, but I was like, Whoa, this isn't Zach: You were like, No, I hate it. I wanna start over scratch. Yeah, that's a different decade there, man. I don't know. Yeah. How Silo it was ironic, right? Because she gets arrested at the end of the movie for but I'm like, how long is it before really, like, Holly's end Holly's gonna end up in jail, right? She's got no morals. Like, she's not a bad person, right? She's just like justin: This this is not what I was expecting. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: She's got no she's almost like a sociopath for the law. Like she's got no like sense like, ⁓ I love stealing. It makes me feel alive. And like she's just so much more about like I need to feel life. And in that pursuit, I'm pretty sure she's getting arrested for something, right? You know. Whether she gets in the mixed up in drug trafficking like she did, or whether she, you know, like I'm just gonna drive this car. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: And the only time I feel alive is when my eyes are closed and the road is before me and she kills a kid or something, right? Like, you know, she's gonna do something horrendous at some point because she's just f her flagrant completely disregard for rule and order and law and, you know, like respect for other people. Like, she doesn't have any of it. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I w I would be curious to understand if Holly actually knew what she was doing when it came to Mr Tomato Head. ⁓ if she knew. Yeah, I don't I don't think she did either. I like I I had ⁓ I truly think she was absolutely innocent and that she didn't know that what she was doing was illegal. Zach: I don't think she had a clue. I think she's just like But she's just so flagrant about everything. It's like she's either ending in jail 'cause of something she's done or she's ending up in like like she kinda needs to be institutionalized. Like she needs therapy. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I think she might be clinically insane. Or bipolar or something, I don't know. But no. my Zach: Yeah. Yeah, somet something. Like I don't know. That was my that was like kinda my last point was like I'm like, Holly's gonna end up in jail, right? 'Cause she's just too insane. If she's gonna do something that's just like justin: Yeah. Zach: No good. justin: Yeah. ⁓ I had one more and it was my favorite one of the entire movie. I think Doc might have I I sh maybe I need to go back and change my answer. I think Doc might have been my favorite character. Okay. How the fuck did Doc find her? So I looked this up. In nineteen sixty-one, New York City was the largest city in the world with a population exceeding ⁓ twelve million people. Zach: Okay. Okay. justin: She ran away from Texas. He is a farmer or rancher from Texas. You cannot convince me that he was able to find her after she changed her name, maybe not the go lightly last name, but Zach: Yeah, I mean she's got the same last name, so maybe he's, you know, pulling the yellow pages out and looking at every go lightly in the yellow pages. justin: But still, a farmer from Texas happens to find his his long lost ex-wife in a city of twelve million people, the largest city on the planet, without the help of any technology. I don't buy it. No. No shot. There's no way he found her. ⁓ Zach: Yeah. Yeah, how does he even know that she's in New York, right? Like she could be in Chicago, she could be in, you know, like she's not only one of twelve she's not only one of twelve million, but she's like she just leaves, right? She's like, I changes her name, like hides from everything. justin: Exactly. She could be literally anywhere in the entire country. I mean like yeah. I I think that old trope of you know, just ⁓ people in the past where they could just pack up and move and start over, like that that absolutely was a possibility back then. Nowadays not so much because of everything, but yeah, I just that irked me so bad that he found her. Like how? There's no way that this man found her. Zach: Mm-hmm. Hm. That's a really that's a really good point. justin: But that's it. That's what I'll ⁓ that's all I had for Zach: Okay. Yeah. No, good. So now it's time then whether we rate this one. Do you think it's a classic? I'm gonna go with yes. You know, I thought justin: I loved it. Best movie ever. Zach: I ⁓ you know, I didn't hate watching it. I'll say that. I was like, this movie is so stupid and insane and this is like this is this movie is like what it's not a classic for me. Not a hundred percent not. But this movie was like what you think about as like someone who's like, I don't like watching classic movies. It's cause of movies like this that like justin: Yeah. No. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: I think like the acting is over the top. It doesn't feel realistic. The the the humor is terrible. Like all those things that that just like it doesn't work for me. I don't like watching old movies. It's like this epitomized to ⁓ for me though that sentiment. I don't think it's fair to all old movies, right? We've watched several, I think, that are pretty good. But yeah, but this movie's like, ⁓ this is why I don't like watching old movies kind of thing. You know? If you show that like someone's like, Come on, you give ⁓ a chance, you'll watch Breakfast at Tiffany's. justin: Yeah, I agree. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. No, I Zach: And I th like it's like I said earlier, I think the best thing to come out of this movie is a song from the nineties about the you know. justin: Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree with you. It's it's not a classic for me. but I I enjoyed every minute of it because I I guess if you if you like watching movies and shows and you have not seen Breakfast at Tiffany's, you should watch it because it truly is going to surprise you in where it goes. Like you It blew me away at how I had no idea. And I pride myself a lot. Like when I watch shows or movies with my wife, I'm like, this is this is going to happen in like twenty minutes. Because it they it's like they forecast it. But this I had no idea. And it shocked me every time and I was just blown away. I was so surprised. Zach: Yeah, yeah. No, I did not see the dock thing coming in a a million miles. justin: No. And i like that's everything about this movie. It was just so entertaining, but Zach: Yeah, it's not a bad time. I I will say that. It's not a bad time. It's just like it's just yeah. It's it's in it's it's almost like you're watching like it's like it's like going to a museum and like seeing something that's just like you're like, huh, this is what it was like back in the day. This is what they thought this. It's like it's like an insight into the sixties more than it is like yeah, I don't know, something that's like, ⁓ this is a good movie, you know? justin: Yeah, yeah. It's it's ⁓ yeah, that's a good way to put it. It's like a time capsule of of the sixties, yeah. Zach: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Of their humor of everything, I guess. justin: Yeah, yeah. Their humor all right. Holy shit. Zach: ⁓ man. Anyways. Any other final thoughts on the movie? I really don't have much more to say than like yeah. I think like my favorite part of this movie is a Deep Blue Something song from the nineteen nineties. So justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I I'm I'm right there with you. I think we laid it out on the table. that's about all I have for it. But I am ex I am very I am very happy that this led me to watching this movie because I would have never watched this movie on my own accord had we not set up time to do this. So yeah, happy we did. Zach: Ha ha ha ha ha. Yep. There you go. Alright, well everyone, thank you so much for listening. We have a YouTube channel if you want to check us out. It's Popcorn and Pals ⁓ pod. And then we also have a Gmail account if you guys want to reach out to us and recommend any movies. Tell us how wrong we are about Breakfast Etiphony's and how that is your favorite movie ever. for Mickey Rooney's performance alone. justin: Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha. Zach: ⁓ and our our Gmail is ⁓ popcorn and pals ⁓ gmail dot com. And as always guys, ⁓ thank you so much for listening and keep popping that popcorn.