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No Mo Lies: #RHOC EXCLUSIVE with Kiki Monique · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 2: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 2: in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space
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Speaker 2: or scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode
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Speaker 2: of Reality with the King.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we have an exclusive.
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Speaker 2: I haven't been this excited since I interviewed all the
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Speaker 2: celebrities that I do. But this particular person to me
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Speaker 2: is the gift that keeps on giving. She's the ape
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Speaker 2: housewife of the Real house BOSSI ors County. But no
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Speaker 2: all just aside, we have so much to get into.
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Speaker 2: She's my friend. I love me some Keiki Monique Lady.
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Speaker 1: Jumped to me. Gays and days give it up for
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Speaker 1: the reason for this season.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Kiki girl, Hey, what's going on?
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Speaker 1: Kiki? How famous are you now? Please?
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Speaker 3: I like trust me as I was like, I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, are people sick of hearing my name? Because
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like this is I feel like
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Speaker 3: I'm sick of hearing my name, But you know, I
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Speaker 3: guess everyone knows my name now.
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Speaker 1: No, listen, you are the.
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Speaker 2: Most talked about non cast member in Real Housewive history,
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Speaker 2: which to me is super fascinating. But before we get
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Speaker 2: into the conversation about what's saying happening this season and
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Speaker 2: you clearing the air as well, I do want.
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Speaker 1: To start with you, though, Kiki Monique, set the record straight.
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Speaker 1: Are you a blogger or journalist? I?
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Speaker 3: You know what, I don't think I'm either one of
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Speaker 3: those things, but I wouldn't you know, I don't care
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Speaker 3: if people want to categorize me as those I'm fine
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Speaker 3: to take those labels. I just think that people have
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Speaker 3: a certain attachment or identity of what they believe a
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Speaker 3: blogger is versus what they believe a journalist is. And
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Speaker 3: I think we live in a world where creators have
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Speaker 3: sort of evolved, and I've become this sort of hybrid
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Speaker 3: of like, I like to give people news their nosey about.
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Speaker 3: That's my tagline, and I want to do it in
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Speaker 3: a way that people can absorb it. People can't absorb
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Speaker 3: news the way that we used to they have very short, limited,
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Speaker 3: you know, attention spans because of TikTok, because of these things.
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Speaker 3: And that's why my audience really loved me, because I
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Speaker 3: was able to give them, you know, really you know,
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Speaker 3: direct information in like sixty seconds or less. And I
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Speaker 3: was And my whole point was, I was always going
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Speaker 3: to source. I was always going to find references. I'm
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Speaker 3: not someone who typically you know, does blind items, does rumors.
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Speaker 3: That's not my niche. While I and I dealt to
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Speaker 3: that niche. I will read those things, It's just not
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Speaker 3: what I do.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So how did you get your star? Because you
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Speaker 1: are on.
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Speaker 2: Radio and the you co hosts a daily show, Reality
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Speaker 2: Checked with the Icon the Legend Real House Spots of
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Speaker 2: New York star Derinda. So, but like, how did you
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Speaker 2: get started in the business in terms of doing what
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Speaker 2: you're doing now?
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Speaker 3: I mean I actually have a background. I did actually
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Speaker 3: go to school for journalism. So like that's not something
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Speaker 3: when people know because I don't talk about it because
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Speaker 3: my path really did skew from that. You know, I
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Speaker 3: spent a lot of years in corporate world doing not that.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I talk about this because you know,
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Speaker 3: I talk about my personal life a lot. I ended
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Speaker 3: up in a bad relationship, I got completely off track.
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Speaker 3: And the best thing that happened to me, I know
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Speaker 3: this sounds crazy, was COVID. COVID Lockdown was the best
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Speaker 3: thing that happened for me because I lost everything. I
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Speaker 3: lost absolutely everything. I had nothing, and the only thing
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Speaker 3: I had I learned TikTok. Everyone was on TikTok, and
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Speaker 3: at the time, you know, there weren't a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people were doing dances and lip syncing.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't do any of that, but
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Speaker 3: I talk, and at that time, not a lot of
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Speaker 3: people were doing talking on TikTok. So I grew pretty
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Speaker 3: quickly because I was like, here, I'm going to talk
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Speaker 3: about pop culture. I'm gonna talk about your favorite reality shows.
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Speaker 3: Now everyone on TikTok does that, but in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 3: back then, it really wasn't like that. So I just started,
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Speaker 3: you know, reporting on that, and then I kind of
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Speaker 3: sort of switched over because I was like, I don't
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Speaker 3: want to just do reality TV, and I got into
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Speaker 3: you know, pop culture, true crime stuff, and I covered
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Speaker 3: the Johnny Depp trial, and that's where a lot of
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Speaker 3: my altors really got to.
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Speaker 2: Know me, and now you have a whole new legion
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Speaker 2: of followers who know you as the person that gave
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Speaker 2: the Real House Lives of Orange County the best storyline,
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Speaker 2: the most controversial storyline. I'll be a good bad since
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Speaker 2: Brooks allegedly lines about cancer like this is listen.
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Speaker 1: Kikimo nig Mus Singhy.
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Speaker 2: You have resurrected this show, although it had three second
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Speaker 2: grade scenes then, but you have breathed new life into
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Speaker 2: this just by being yourself.
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Speaker 1: Let's get right into it.
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Speaker 2: Your name came up every single episode this season, starting
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Speaker 2: with episode one. I want to go backwards to baby
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Speaker 2: because I want you to really, you know, very succinctly
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Speaker 2: explain to us, how did you get in contact with
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Speaker 2: Katie Janella or how did Katie Janella get in contact
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Speaker 2: with you?
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Speaker 3: To begin with, I always follow you know, new housewives
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Speaker 3: that interest me whenever they're announced. You know, here we
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Speaker 3: have this, you know, Asian beautiful woman joining OC. I
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Speaker 3: was like, of course I'm going to follow her, go
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Speaker 3: to follow her. She's already following me. I love that.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you experienced that too. You know, you're very popular.
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Speaker 3: You follow people that are already following you and you
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Speaker 3: already feel like you have a connection. I think that
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Speaker 3: that's great. People are thinking I'm saying as a negative thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I think that's awesome. And so, you know,
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Speaker 3: she writes, you know, I'm honored. I write back, looking
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Speaker 3: forward to the season, and so we just develop a
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Speaker 3: little rapport. I do host Reality Check on Radio Andy.
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Speaker 3: We obviously get bookings all the time, and I know
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Speaker 3: she wanted to come on our show because at the
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Speaker 3: time after her season, you know, Emily was saying she
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Speaker 3: lived in San Diego. There was a lot of things
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Speaker 3: that Emily was throwing out there. She was like, I
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Speaker 3: want to set the record trade about some things, and
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Speaker 3: I was like, come on. Her and Gen came on
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Speaker 3: my show. They were actually on Zoom, so we did
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Speaker 3: it virtually, but you know, I promoted the clips.
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Speaker 1: It was great.
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Speaker 3: After the show, she Katie threw me, her and Jen
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Speaker 3: on a group chat and was like, had so much
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Speaker 3: fun on the show. If you're ever in OC, hit
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Speaker 3: us up great flash forward. And then after that text exchange,
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Speaker 3: we then you know, continued to like, you know, just
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Speaker 3: have a little banter back and forth. I did go
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Speaker 3: down to OC separately, to have lunch with a friend.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, you know, while i'm here,
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Speaker 3: let me hit up Katie and Jen on that group
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Speaker 3: chat and just let him know i'm here. I said, Hey,
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Speaker 3: headed to lunch. If you're around, you know, let's get
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Speaker 3: a drink or something. Jen was like, I'm in Mexico. Sorry,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss it. Katie was like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm running around. I'm shopping for the reunion. The reunion
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Speaker 3: was like two or three days away. She was like,
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Speaker 3: but I can you know, stop by. So I head
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Speaker 3: over to lunch. She stops by for lunch. We just
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Speaker 3: have a good old session, like we're just chatting, having
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Speaker 3: a good time. I was not there to be reporting
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Speaker 3: having off the rocker conversations. I was literally there just
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Speaker 3: like hanging out with people as we do in this industry.
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Speaker 3: We just make relationships.
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Speaker 2: So you reach out to Katie Jen, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: be in the OC. You guys told me whenever I'm
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Speaker 2: there to let you guys know. I'm letting you know
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Speaker 2: Jen's in Mexico with her finance fiance Ryan. And then
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Speaker 2: that leaves you and Katie to have a one on one.
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Speaker 2: So in this one of the conversation. Is this the
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Speaker 2: setting where all of a sudden Katie just started dropping
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Speaker 2: all of these allegacious against people, you know, Gina allegedly
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Speaker 2: you know, calling out the fact that she's not wearing
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Speaker 2: that Katie is not wearing Asian designers, and she thought
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Speaker 2: that that was a dick to her. Is this the
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Speaker 2: same setting where she talked to you about what Gretchen
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Speaker 2: allegedly said to her at matstros and OC. Is this
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Speaker 2: the same setting.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it was all that same day. Yes, And again
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Speaker 3: it wasn't coming out and I made that very clear.
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Speaker 3: She wasn't saying, ooh, I want to give you this information.
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Speaker 3: I didn't want you to do anything with it. We
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Speaker 3: were having a chat about a bunch of different things.
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Speaker 3: Of course, I'm being nosy as you would. I'm like,
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Speaker 3: can I see your reunion dress? Oh? You know, we're
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Speaker 3: going into things, you know, like who do you know
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Speaker 3: who's filming you know this upcoming season? You know, like
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Speaker 3: just having chat. And then I don't know exactly how
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Speaker 3: it came out, but she mentioned she was having you know,
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Speaker 3: lunch or dinner sorry, with Gretchen and Slade, and that's
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Speaker 3: when this conversation came up now. Of course, at the time,
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Speaker 3: I think I said something like, oh, you were having
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Speaker 3: dinner with Gretchen? Is she going to be on the
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Speaker 3: next season? Because this is on October. Gretchen hadn't been
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Speaker 3: announced for this the season yet. So when she told
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Speaker 3: me that story and she was like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 3: did you hear about naked Wasted? I was like floored,
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Speaker 3: And I was like, that's crazy, But you hear I
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Speaker 3: hear crazy things every single day. I literally hear off
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Speaker 3: the record stuff, crazy rumors every day. I take it
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Speaker 3: in I'm like, whoa, that's crazy. And then we moved on,
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Speaker 3: and then she did bring up the Gina thing, and
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Speaker 3: of course I you know, I've been side eyeing Gina
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Speaker 3: ever since because I was like, oh my god, I
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Speaker 3: can't believe she did that, Like I thought, it was
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Speaker 3: really messed up. And then we went about our day
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Speaker 3: like she left. You know, we ended up there was
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Speaker 3: an US Weekly party a few weeks later. I was
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Speaker 3: doing red carpet for that. I was like, hey, you know,
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Speaker 3: I'll see you at the party. You know, we again,
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Speaker 3: we just continued banter, and also I had wanted I
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Speaker 3: really wanted her to succeed at the reunion. So I
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Speaker 3: you know, if I saw something online then I thought
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Speaker 3: would help her. I'd be like, hey girl, you know
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Speaker 3: check this out. You know this is you know, funny.
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Speaker 3: And we just had banters, you know, we'd send tiktoks
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Speaker 3: to each other. It was a really light relationship. The
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Speaker 3: only reason it eventually made it to a journalist was
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Speaker 3: because in January. Again, this is months later. I've sat
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Speaker 3: it on October, November, December. If I was messy, I'd
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Speaker 3: be telling people I literally left that lunch and like
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Speaker 3: didn't really think about it. But in January and this happened.
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Speaker 2: So just so I'm clear, your one on one with
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Speaker 2: Katie happened October of twenty twenty four. Correct, okay, And
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Speaker 2: before we get into what happened in January, just to
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Speaker 2: clear things up, can you because I know that when
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Speaker 2: we watched reality shows, you got a film for hours
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Speaker 2: and things get edited down.
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Speaker 1: So I want you to have the opportunity, Kiki, to just.
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Speaker 2: Clear the air, to stay out of your own mouth, unedited, uninterrupted.
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Speaker 2: What did Katie say to you about naked Wasted?
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Speaker 1: And what Gretchen allegedly said to her at dinner?
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Speaker 3: She said, did you know that at that naked Wasted
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Speaker 3: night that Gretchen had to go to the hospital and
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Speaker 3: she found they found drugs in her system, and I
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Speaker 3: was like, like, what do you mean? I was like,
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Speaker 3: there were drugs in her system? Did she get a report?
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Speaker 3: Did she go to police? Did she go to production?
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Speaker 3: And she was just like, I don't know. And I
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Speaker 3: was just like, how is this never come up? Like
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Speaker 3: I don't understand, like if if she why wouldn't And
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Speaker 3: she was just kind of like, I don't know. I
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Speaker 3: just none of it really made sense because I was like,
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Speaker 3: if that happened, I just feel like so many other
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Speaker 3: things would have happened, just logically. But I'm just kind
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Speaker 3: of like, that's crazy that she told you that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, to stop you there, did she tell you that
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Speaker 2: in this meeting in October that Jen and Ryan were
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Speaker 2: present during this conversation.
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Speaker 3: See, That's what I don't think was clear. I don't
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Speaker 3: think I actually realized Jen and Ryan were also out
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Speaker 3: that dinner till later for some like maybe she said it.
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Speaker 3: I can't I honestly don't remember. I really only remember
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Speaker 3: her saying Gretchen and Slade, and then at some point
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Speaker 3: I did know that Jen and Ryan were also there,
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Speaker 3: but I don't know if I remember if it was
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Speaker 3: that day.
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Speaker 2: Okay, did did she intimate to you that Gretchen was
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Speaker 2: trying to get back on OC?
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Speaker 1: Was was and talk to get back on OC? In
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Speaker 1: this conversation? You know?
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Speaker 3: When I asked her, because I mean again, when she
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Speaker 3: initially said, oh, I went to dinner with Gretchen Slay,
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Speaker 3: of course I said like, oh, she gonna be on
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Speaker 3: next season? And she didn't answer, She didn't say anything.
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Speaker 3: But I always take those sort of non answers as like, oh,
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Speaker 3: maybe you know it makes sense, right, you're making allies.
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Speaker 3: You've come off a season where you know Jen is
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Speaker 3: not in a great place with Tamra. You're good friends
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Speaker 3: with Jen. We know how Gretchen feels. I understand why
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Speaker 3: the three of you would be at dinner, and so
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Speaker 3: it makes sense why they would be at dinner. And
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Speaker 3: I understand that people get friendly with, you know, all
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Speaker 3: sorts of housewives, you know, after their season to like
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Speaker 3: so you know, I was sort of fishing, but she
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Speaker 3: didn't give me any of that. I didn't know for sure.
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Speaker 2: Okay, when she told you the stuff about Gina did
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Speaker 2: when she mentioned that Gina question whether or not her
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Speaker 2: designers were Asian designers. How did she say it in
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Speaker 2: a way that made you feel uncomfortable? Did you feel
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Speaker 2: like the way she reported it to you it made
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Speaker 2: it appear that Gina said something racist.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that's why even if you
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Speaker 3: see in the episode the way I said it, I
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Speaker 3: was literally repeating it exactly how Katie said it to me,
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Speaker 3: because she was like, you know, like I was, you know,
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Speaker 3: I really wanted to feature Asian designers, you know, on
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Speaker 3: the show. And maybe this had been when we were
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Speaker 3: talking about her, like you know, RENI just I don't remember.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh yeah, She's like you know.
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Speaker 3: And then you know, one time I come into the
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Speaker 3: scene and I have an outf and on and Gina
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Speaker 3: looks me and goes, is that an age and designer?
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Speaker 3: And this is what she said to me. She said,
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Speaker 3: you know, I looked at the camera. I looked at
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Speaker 3: the producers like did you get that? And they were
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Speaker 3: just like and I was like, they didn't do anything
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Speaker 3: with it. They didn't show it. Why didn't they air it?
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Speaker 3: And she was just like I don't know, and I
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Speaker 3: was just like h and so like we just sort
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Speaker 3: of had that you know, brown girl, black girl fingers
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Speaker 3: like m you know, like what you do when someone
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Speaker 3: says something shady. And so that's kind of what I
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Speaker 3: walked away with that conversation feeling about Gina.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, while you were talking to her, did you
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Speaker 2: get the and I'm gonna get to January, But when
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Speaker 2: you were talking to her in this in this one
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Speaker 2: on one, did you get the sense that Katie was
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Speaker 2: telling you things off the record? You know, one thing
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Speaker 2: I know about conversations, sometimes you do a pinky swear
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Speaker 2: like what Drusidora, Angela Oakley and Shamia did right or
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Speaker 2: you say off the record? Were any of those things
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Speaker 2: said like to you from Katie?
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Speaker 3: I don't think people ever have to say that with
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Speaker 3: me because I just I'm not someone that repeats like
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Speaker 3: you know, Like again, I have friendships with a lot
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Speaker 3: of these reality stars, and I've I always go into
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Speaker 3: every conversation really just assuming like I'm not gonna repeat this.
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Speaker 3: I don't really say off the record because unless I'm
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Speaker 3: coming to you, you know, as a reporter, and we're
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Speaker 3: like you know, and I'm investigating a story, I'm not
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Speaker 3: going to say like off the record, but you know,
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Speaker 3: she knows I'm not going to I would assume repeat it.
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Speaker 3: That's how I assumed. The reason I started to like
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Speaker 3: feel a little bit weird was because as we sort
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Speaker 3: of continued our friendship, she would send me some things
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Speaker 3: here and there, and I started wondering, like, does she
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Speaker 3: think I'm gonna do something with this information? I couldn't
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Speaker 3: really tell because you know, or is she just telling
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Speaker 3: me because she thinks I want to know? You know, fine,
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Speaker 3: Like I don't really know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because one thing I know, Look, I got said
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Speaker 2: this on my own podcasts. I'm friends with everybody in
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Speaker 2: the business, almost everybody in the business, right and I
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Speaker 2: know that when reality stars didn't DM me stuff, I
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Speaker 2: know that a lot of it has to do with
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Speaker 2: the fact that they want me to talk about it.
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Speaker 2: They don't necessarily say talk about this, but they send
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Speaker 2: me stuff. And because my platform isn't he says, she say,
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Speaker 2: I don't base things off of that. I just base
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Speaker 2: things off of what we're watching on the show, my
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Speaker 2: opinion on the shows. And obviously if a story is
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Speaker 2: big that you just can't ignore, then I'll talk about
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Speaker 2: it that way. But I never come to the table
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Speaker 2: like Ooh, someone's sending this DM or X, Y and
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Speaker 2: Z because I never want to get in the muddy waters.
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Speaker 2: Did you feel like, okay, hmm, should I keep it
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Speaker 2: to myself or should I talk to somebody? Because what
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Speaker 2: happened in January? You said you spoke into a fellow
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Speaker 2: journalist about it. So what happened where you felt the
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Speaker 2: need to talk about it to somebody months later?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had no interest in doing anything with that information.
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Speaker 3: But when January was announced and it was announced that
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Speaker 3: Gretchen was coming to the Real Housewives of Orange County,
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Speaker 3: that is where I did get concerned, because now I
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Speaker 3: had a piece of information which I'm sorry if there's
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Speaker 3: if these allegations are true, that's illegal, and that is
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Speaker 3: I don't know. One, I want to get to the
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Speaker 3: bottom of there's any truth to this story, because like,
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Speaker 3: if so, this needs to be exposed. And two, like
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Speaker 3: we had just come off of that really dark Roney
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Speaker 3: season with Brinn and all of that, And I truthfully
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Speaker 3: was like if they were talking about this, because I
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Speaker 3: couldn't think of any other reason they were talking about
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Speaker 3: this at this dinner in October unless they were thinking
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Speaker 3: that this might be a storyline in the upcoming season,
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Speaker 3: and I said, this is just not something that I
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Speaker 3: think the viewers have the appetite for as a stomach
17:54
Speaker 3: line when we just came of off that Roney season.
17:57
Speaker 3: So I feel like I need to like either find
17:59
Speaker 3: out if this story is true or not and like
18:02
Speaker 3: just like put an end to it. And if it's
18:04
Speaker 3: not true, like we can just like kill, you know,
18:06
Speaker 3: debt it, or if there is truth in the story,
18:09
Speaker 3: like we need to find out because this is actually
18:11
Speaker 3: like it's it's illegal or it's defamatory, one or the other.
18:16
Speaker 2: And and you thought this way, you had.
18:21
Speaker 1: A conversation with another journalist. What was that conversation like.
18:26
Speaker 3: And this is where it gets muddy. And this is
18:28
Speaker 3: why again, like when you see things repeated on different
18:32
Speaker 3: platforms as it goes, the game of Telephone is really terrible.
18:37
Speaker 3: But I spoke to one journalist journalist initially, I said,
18:40
Speaker 3: can you help me, because again I'm independent, their legacy media,
18:43
Speaker 3: they have more resources and access than I do. I
18:46
Speaker 3: don't want this attached to me, and I also don't
18:48
Speaker 3: want this story coming to light. I just want to
18:50
Speaker 3: find out if we can find out if there's any
18:51
Speaker 3: truth in the story that reporter, despite what was out there,
18:56
Speaker 3: never repeated my name, never said even that he or
19:00
Speaker 3: she who found this information and was able I felt comfortable,
19:06
Speaker 3: comfortably came back to me that this story was not true,
19:09
Speaker 3: and so I was like, that's fine. I'm comfortable with
19:13
Speaker 3: the story not being true. And I don't really know
19:16
Speaker 3: what to do with it from here other than hope
19:19
Speaker 3: it doesn't come out in the next season. Speaking to
19:24
Speaker 3: the other journalist, it's hard to get into because, as
19:27
Speaker 3: you know, building relationships in this industry requires very intimate,
19:33
Speaker 3: off the record conversation about a lot of different things,
19:36
Speaker 3: and the conversation with the second journalist really was centered
19:39
Speaker 3: around that. We were having a very sort of open,
19:42
Speaker 3: back and forth discussion about a lot of different things. Again,
19:45
Speaker 3: I won't get into because it would expose him, but
19:49
Speaker 3: there was a reason why Katie's name came up in
19:51
Speaker 3: that conversation. I can say part of it was him
19:54
Speaker 3: trying to understand my thoughts on her and you know,
19:58
Speaker 3: trusting her and that, and I said, look, and I said,
20:01
Speaker 3: I really do like her. You know, we've had a
20:04
Speaker 3: great rapport. There was this one thing, so I wasn't sure,
20:08
Speaker 3: but I'm comfortable. The story isn't true, so you know,
20:11
Speaker 3: I've moved on from it. But I will say like
20:13
Speaker 3: that was like a weird story. I expected that conversation
20:17
Speaker 3: to never leave that bubble of again off the record,
20:21
Speaker 3: and unfortunately that conversation was taken back to Tamra.
20:26
Speaker 2: How did you find out that conversation was taken back
20:28
Speaker 2: to Tamra?
20:30
Speaker 3: When Katie texted me at the end of February, I
20:34
Speaker 3: was literally on the tarmac, my flight was about to
20:37
Speaker 3: take off. I'm flying to New York for two weeks.
20:39
Speaker 3: I get a text from Katie that says, are you
20:42
Speaker 3: around to film today? At five? And I just did
20:46
Speaker 3: a question mark and then she wrote, your name was
20:50
Speaker 3: brought up on camera and I did an exclamation point
20:54
Speaker 3: and I said who and what? And she said, you
20:58
Speaker 3: know Tamra about Tamra And I said what was it about?
21:02
Speaker 3: And she said I don't know. And I said, I'm
21:06
Speaker 3: literally in the air for the next five hours. And
21:09
Speaker 3: she was like, oh, shoot, well you know, let me
21:12
Speaker 3: know when you can. I had no interest in filming.
21:16
Speaker 3: I had no interest in being part of this. I'm panicking,
21:20
Speaker 3: but of course I'm in the air because I know
21:21
Speaker 3: I've told. Even though she said she didn't know what
21:23
Speaker 3: it was about. I can at that point I know
21:25
Speaker 3: that it had to be something regarding this because I
21:27
Speaker 3: just told this other person. So I texted he admitted
21:31
Speaker 3: he had told Tamra. So I'm freaking out, like, why
21:34
Speaker 3: did you do this? Said blah blah blah, And I
21:37
Speaker 3: go to New York. I have to get work done.
21:39
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like, you know what, I'm gonna
21:40
Speaker 3: go go to New York and just do whatever. I'm
21:44
Speaker 3: in New York. I don't hear from Katie again, so
21:46
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Okay, in denial, I'm like, you know what,
21:49
Speaker 3: this is not going to be a thing. I'm going
21:51
Speaker 3: to keep moving on, do my life whatever, come back
21:54
Speaker 3: to New York. Like three weeks later, two three weeks later,
21:58
Speaker 3: I'm at a party and I get reached out to
22:02
Speaker 3: by Orange County producers and they're like, so, your name
22:07
Speaker 3: has been repeatedly brought up on camera and you know,
22:11
Speaker 3: and basically that was how they reached out. And so
22:13
Speaker 3: at that point, I'm just like and basically what I
22:17
Speaker 3: learned was like, my name was brought up on camera
22:18
Speaker 3: and we're basically being told that you're spreading something that
22:22
Speaker 3: was not told to you. It's not the truth. And
22:24
Speaker 3: that's when I freak out because I'm like, one, I
22:26
Speaker 3: didn't want to be involved in this, but two, I
22:28
Speaker 3: have kind of two options at this point, like let
22:30
Speaker 3: this narrative play out and I don't know what that means,
22:34
Speaker 3: or they're given me the opportunity, which honestly I'm grateful
22:37
Speaker 3: for because not a lot of people give this opportunity
22:39
Speaker 3: to try to clear my name. And so I agree
22:42
Speaker 3: to film, and that's pretty much it.
22:46
Speaker 2: When you agree to film, did the producers tell you
22:51
Speaker 2: you are filming with Gretchen and Gina, because I'm assuming
22:57
Speaker 2: you would have. I don't know if thought or would
23:01
Speaker 2: have been positioned wanted to. I'm not clear some with
23:05
Speaker 2: Katie since the information came from her, So how did
23:07
Speaker 2: that come about.
23:10
Speaker 3: I believe they wanted me to film with just Gretchen
23:14
Speaker 3: and what I said to them, and I don't even
23:17
Speaker 3: know if I'm but whatever, I'm going to say it
23:19
Speaker 3: because people may not understand I was only supposed to
23:22
Speaker 3: film with Gretchen and I said, look, there were three
23:24
Speaker 3: people at this dinner. Gretchen and Katie were two of them.
23:29
Speaker 3: I don't know how comfortable I feel only filming with
23:32
Speaker 3: Gretchen because this is someone who was also part of
23:35
Speaker 3: the story. I would feel more comfortable if someone else
23:40
Speaker 3: was there. And this is okay, and this is where
23:42
Speaker 3: and again, this maybe been the messy part, but this
23:45
Speaker 3: was the only way I thought I could clear my name.
23:47
Speaker 3: I said, I have a piece of information also from
23:50
Speaker 3: that lunch that nobody else would know and would prove
23:54
Speaker 3: that this information was told to me. I would rather
23:57
Speaker 3: her be there, and I'd rather tell her there in
24:00
Speaker 3: that moment what was said, because honestly, I feel like
24:03
Speaker 3: if I say it to her face, I'll know also
24:05
Speaker 3: if there's any truth to that story. And so I
24:09
Speaker 3: was really the one that pushed for Gina to be there.
24:13
Speaker 1: Got it. Now, let me go back a little bit.
24:18
Speaker 2: The time you landed in New York, when Katie text you,
24:23
Speaker 2: to the time that the producers contacted you. Did you
24:26
Speaker 2: and Katie ever have a conversation during that window?
24:30
Speaker 3: I never heard from her again, And like, again, that's
24:33
Speaker 3: why I kind of thought, like, this won't be a thing.
24:35
Speaker 3: I had no idea, And in the time that I
24:37
Speaker 3: was in New York, they had gone to New Orleans
24:39
Speaker 3: and all that stuff that we see playing out had happened.
24:42
Speaker 3: She never contacted me, told me any of that happened.
24:46
Speaker 3: I had no clue any of that had gone down,
24:49
Speaker 3: which is why again, while I'm watching it, it's shocking
24:52
Speaker 3: because I'm thinking, well, girl, you could have like reached
24:55
Speaker 3: out to me and said, like, you know, they're saying
24:57
Speaker 3: your name, they're saying I said this to you, But
25:00
Speaker 3: I never heard from her again after that day. I
25:03
Speaker 3: had no clue how deep it had gone in New Orleans.
25:09
Speaker 2: When you got the cop on the producers, did you
25:14
Speaker 2: have any communication with Katie before the scene with Gretchen
25:20
Speaker 2: and Gina or even afterwards.
25:23
Speaker 3: I hadn't talked to no. I mean I never heard
25:25
Speaker 3: from from Katie ever. Ever, again I did, like I
25:32
Speaker 3: did speak with Gretchen. Oh well, I kind of spoke
25:35
Speaker 3: with Gretchen only because again when this came out, now
25:40
Speaker 3: Gretchen has reached out turn Sheena Shee, who I'm good
25:43
Speaker 3: friends with Seena. Se are friends, and so then Sheena
25:45
Speaker 3: because Gretchen's like, who is this person Kiki Monique who's
25:49
Speaker 3: saying spreading these things about me? Because Gretchen at this point,
25:51
Speaker 3: Gretchen thinks I'm just like some again crazy blogger who's
25:55
Speaker 3: just spreading rumors about her. But she knows that I'm
25:58
Speaker 3: friends with Sheena, so she's trying to like get to
26:00
Speaker 3: the bottom. And I said, look, look, I want nothing
26:02
Speaker 3: to do with this, like I promise you, like I
26:05
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to like spread rumors, like I was just
26:08
Speaker 3: trying to get to the bottom of whether the story
26:09
Speaker 3: was real. Because also she is looking at me crazy,
26:11
Speaker 3: like girl, like this is you know, like the whole
26:13
Speaker 3: thing was like I was like, I want nothing to
26:16
Speaker 3: do with this. This was not the opposite of what
26:19
Speaker 3: my intention. Is happening right now.
26:23
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because obviously you watch
26:26
Speaker 1: the season. In the episode, just like we all have.
26:30
Speaker 2: Right, they're in New Orleans the OC Housewives, and this
26:36
Speaker 2: conversation does come up where you know, they talk about
26:40
Speaker 2: whether or not Gretchen said these things once again. The
26:43
Speaker 2: housewives call Katie to the carpet and they say, well,
26:48
Speaker 2: call her, and Katie said she does not want to film.
26:56
Speaker 2: Is did Katie ever contact you? Well, you know when
27:00
Speaker 2: she contacted you, was that when you were on the
27:02
Speaker 2: plane or was that after the fact.
27:05
Speaker 3: Now, I was literally like all the tarmac about to
27:08
Speaker 3: take off, so all of that conversation happened. So I
27:10
Speaker 3: did respond to her. She reached out. She asked me
27:12
Speaker 3: if I wanted to film. I didn't say yes or no.
27:15
Speaker 3: I was again in shock. I was like, question mark
27:17
Speaker 3: exclamation point, what is this about? What am I filming about?
27:20
Speaker 3: What do you talk she wants? Because she wanted me
27:21
Speaker 3: to get on the phone at five pm that day
27:24
Speaker 3: to film something, but she wasn't telling me what it
27:26
Speaker 3: was about. And I'm just like, but what is it about?
27:28
Speaker 1: In New Orleans? So she went to New almost when
27:30
Speaker 1: she text.
27:31
Speaker 3: This was February twenty eighth. I got that text and
27:34
Speaker 3: they didn't go to hold from March.
27:37
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's cause you know we're getting somewhere here.
27:42
Speaker 2: Katie texts you they want you to film in February.
27:45
Speaker 3: February twenty eighth is when I got the text.
27:49
Speaker 2: They found New Orleans in March. So when they said
27:54
Speaker 2: reach out to her and she said she doesn't want
28:02
Speaker 2: to film. She never contacted you at all while she
28:08
Speaker 2: was in New Orleans.
28:09
Speaker 3: No, I never heard from her again after February twenty eighth.
28:15
Speaker 1: When you saw that moment, do you think again.
28:18
Speaker 2: I don't know Katie from a can of paint, right,
28:20
Speaker 2: But I just I'm basing my opinions on her, like
28:23
Speaker 2: me and the audience watching the show.
28:25
Speaker 1: But when you saw that scene in New Orleans, did
28:29
Speaker 1: you feel like.
28:31
Speaker 2: Katie was talking about you or her texting a month before,
28:37
Speaker 2: or did you look at that say, oh my gosh,
28:39
Speaker 2: Katie's line once again?
28:41
Speaker 3: No, I looked at it is she was sort of
28:44
Speaker 3: telling half truth. I think that's like she said. I
28:47
Speaker 3: think she was saying I reached out her, She's not interested,
28:50
Speaker 3: which is true. I was absolutely not because I did
28:53
Speaker 3: not get back, okay, But what wasn't true was saying
28:56
Speaker 3: she never responded. Because that wasn't true. I responded and
28:59
Speaker 3: I asked you what it was about, and you said
29:01
Speaker 3: you didn't know, So that part wasn't true because I
29:04
Speaker 3: if again I wanted to know, because if she once
29:09
Speaker 3: she knew that this was all being brought out, I
29:11
Speaker 3: do think again, I had been a really good friend
29:13
Speaker 3: to her at that point. I think it would have
29:16
Speaker 3: made sense for her to just be honest with me
29:19
Speaker 3: and actually confront me and be like, girl, did you
29:21
Speaker 3: go tell people about this? Because then you know, like
29:24
Speaker 3: I would have been like, well, damn, like I did,
29:26
Speaker 3: but like I was trying to like squash the story
29:29
Speaker 3: because you know, but you know, like but I would
29:33
Speaker 3: have felt yeah, I would have felt bad.
29:36
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So look, it's one of those
29:38
Speaker 2: things too. Where and listen, this is me being in
29:42
Speaker 2: the scene. And it's the reason why I make sure
29:45
Speaker 2: as much as I can to not involve myself in
29:49
Speaker 2: the sort of ragamuffin of the telephone game, because it
29:53
Speaker 2: is tricky as dicey, based on this era of reality
29:58
Speaker 2: television and social media and contact and people being in
30:01
Speaker 2: contact with radio hosts, journalists, bloggers, anyone, because unfortunately it
30:08
Speaker 2: does now become part of the storyline. When you received
30:12
Speaker 2: that phone call for production and you did the scene
30:14
Speaker 2: with Gretchen and Gina, when you left the scene, did
30:20
Speaker 2: you feel like, oh fuck, what did I just get
30:24
Speaker 2: myself into?
30:26
Speaker 1: Did I just ruin my career?
30:28
Speaker 3: I mean I think I felt that way from the moment,
30:31
Speaker 3: I you know, even before I filmed, because I'm thinking, like,
30:34
Speaker 3: I don't know how to navigate out of this, because
30:38
Speaker 3: you know, my this is my brand, you know, and
30:41
Speaker 3: like it's yeah, it's fun to be called quote gossip girl,
30:45
Speaker 3: but nobody wants to think that they can't have conversations
30:47
Speaker 3: with you that aren't going to be taken elsewhere. And
30:50
Speaker 3: so that was the part that was really hurting me
30:53
Speaker 3: because I felt like I was in this position where
30:55
Speaker 3: I didn't put myself in this position. I didn't go
30:57
Speaker 3: to a housewife. I didn't try to involve myself, and
31:00
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to bring this to camera, but someone
31:02
Speaker 3: I trusted did and you know, it hit me in
31:07
Speaker 3: the ass?
31:09
Speaker 1: Are you and the journalist friends today? Have y'all talked
31:11
Speaker 1: about this?
31:12
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, like I don't. I'm not
31:15
Speaker 3: someone who likes to carry grudges, but you know, I
31:18
Speaker 3: haven't heard from him, So I don't know.
31:23
Speaker 2: When you saw Gretchen and Gina's reaction in real time
31:32
Speaker 2: in that moment, Keikey, at that table you told this information,
31:36
Speaker 2: you saw the reaction, Did you believe that they were
31:41
Speaker 2: telling me the truth?
31:43
Speaker 3: What I believed was when Gina told me her explanation
31:49
Speaker 3: and that sounded like it made sense. And Gina has been,
31:54
Speaker 3: you know ever since, like I've met her, you know,
31:56
Speaker 3: I've seen her again, like she's been really kind and
31:59
Speaker 3: so like I don't really feel like I have any
32:02
Speaker 3: reason to like hold you know, hold that against her.
32:06
Speaker 3: What I will say is in this, I mean not
32:09
Speaker 3: to you know, hate on you know all reality stars.
32:12
Speaker 3: All reality stars are like fibbers liars. It's it's like
32:15
Speaker 3: it's kind of like built into their DNA. Sometimes it's
32:17
Speaker 3: like they were just like exaggerating, exaggerating the truth or
32:20
Speaker 3: like doing this. I don't know sometimes who's lying and
32:22
Speaker 3: who's telling the truth. What I was trying to get
32:25
Speaker 3: to at this point was I just want you guys
32:28
Speaker 3: to know that I'm telling the truth so I can
32:30
Speaker 3: back away and then you guys can fight amongst yourselves
32:33
Speaker 3: about who's the liars and who's not, because like I
32:36
Speaker 3: just want to like remove myself and just put it
32:38
Speaker 3: out there and then back away. I don't know, Like
32:43
Speaker 3: I think that there's multiple theories that could be true.
32:46
Speaker 3: I just don't know, because again, it's hard for me
32:50
Speaker 3: now when only one person keeps basically calling me a
32:53
Speaker 3: liar to side with them, even right because you know
32:55
Speaker 3: you're like, even have wanted to decide with you, you're still
32:57
Speaker 3: calling me a liar, So then how can I side
33:00
Speaker 3: you know, well, calling you Katie by saying she never
33:03
Speaker 3: told me repeatedly over So it's like, if you just
33:07
Speaker 3: admitted it, then like maybe we could get somewhere. But
33:09
Speaker 3: I just don't know why she won't admit it.
33:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing.
33:13
Speaker 2: I mean, Look, I appreciate you for being completely honest.
33:17
Speaker 1: No one's perfect.
33:18
Speaker 2: You have opted your mistake to be seen as somebody
33:23
Speaker 2: who's honest about it.
33:25
Speaker 1: Right. You're like, look, we had a conversation.
33:30
Speaker 2: I knew that it wasn't something that I should go
33:33
Speaker 2: back and tell people, but I did tell a trusted journalist.
33:37
Speaker 1: Listen.
33:38
Speaker 2: We've all done that, right, And for you, you just
33:41
Speaker 2: felt like, Okay, this is something that I want to
33:44
Speaker 2: share with somebody.
33:45
Speaker 1: I will say. What I do want the world to
33:47
Speaker 1: know is this.
33:50
Speaker 2: It's one thing if key Ki Monique on her big
33:54
Speaker 2: platform told Derinda, O.
33:57
Speaker 1: Girl, guess what I heard. I heard. It's something that
34:01
Speaker 1: to me would be different.
34:02
Speaker 2: It would be different if you use your platform like.
34:06
Speaker 1: Other people do. And that's that's O shame. Where we listen.
34:08
Speaker 1: We all have our platform that works for our brand.
34:11
Speaker 1: I've been listening to you for years.
34:13
Speaker 2: You never based on my listening skill. Intimated secret conversations
34:20
Speaker 2: for virality, right, and and and that.
34:24
Speaker 1: Was the one thing I've really understood immediately.
34:28
Speaker 2: Like, I think people are missing the fact that you
34:31
Speaker 2: did not go on your own platform or on in
34:34
Speaker 2: one's platform and publicly said this. You had an intimate conversation,
34:40
Speaker 2: it got out, but knows to to to you even
34:42
Speaker 2: knowing you would. And I think people also need to
34:46
Speaker 2: understand this too. You are employed by Radio Andy, who
34:51
Speaker 2: works obviously connection with Bravo, you know, Like I think
34:55
Speaker 2: people need to understand that you're not somebody that is
34:59
Speaker 2: just out there looking for the come up. You're employed
35:02
Speaker 2: by Radio Andy, associated with Bravo, meeting the Angy Cohen obviously,
35:08
Speaker 2: and they called you and you wanted to do your
35:11
Speaker 2: due diligence.
35:12
Speaker 1: That's what I got from it. You could stop me
35:13
Speaker 1: if I got it wrong.
35:15
Speaker 3: K K, that's the true because that's the thing I mean.
35:18
Speaker 3: I think even Katie said herself, she followed me for
35:22
Speaker 3: my true crime content. Obviously, if I hear something that
35:25
Speaker 3: sounds criminal, I'm sorry. Like, if I feel a reason
35:29
Speaker 3: that it needs to be investigated, I'm going to be
35:31
Speaker 3: it needs to be investigated. And I did feel like
35:33
Speaker 3: at the time once Stretchen was announced she was coming back.
35:36
Speaker 3: If there was any truth to the story, I needed
35:38
Speaker 3: to investigate and find out if the story was true, period,
35:41
Speaker 3: like I and I was never going to publish it
35:43
Speaker 3: on my platform unless I found there was You know,
35:45
Speaker 3: I had a toxicology report that proved, you know, this
35:48
Speaker 3: actually did happen.
35:53
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you owe Katie an apology for
35:57
Speaker 2: having an intimate conversation and you did go and tell
36:01
Speaker 2: somebody else.
36:02
Speaker 3: I would say that, yes, I would apologize because the
36:06
Speaker 3: minute I decided to put on my true crime reporter
36:10
Speaker 3: hat and take it to investigate, I should have said, oh, girl,
36:13
Speaker 3: I know you told me the story. I wasn't gonna
36:15
Speaker 3: do anything with it, but I do want to investigate it.
36:17
Speaker 3: I'm not going to publish it. And I should have
36:20
Speaker 3: given her the heads up that that was my plan
36:22
Speaker 3: and that was the one thing I should have done.
36:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:27
Speaker 2: Based on you watching these episodes, do you feel like
36:31
Speaker 2: when it comes to Katie again, I'm basing my opinion
36:34
Speaker 2: on Katie off of the episodes I'm watching with the audience. Obviously,
36:40
Speaker 2: Katie the biggest mistake to me, and this is me
36:42
Speaker 2: speaking as a producer who produced for twenty years.
36:46
Speaker 1: Right, almost once your hand is caught.
36:50
Speaker 2: In the cookie jar, unfortunately, you have to own it immediately,
36:54
Speaker 2: and it's just something you have to do.
36:55
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good and it's tough, but you signed
36:59
Speaker 1: up to be real and we want you to be real.
37:03
Speaker 2: Do you think when it comes to Katie that she
37:07
Speaker 2: just has a problem with owning the truth in the
37:10
Speaker 2: moment because she's afraid of the media backlass on the girls,
37:14
Speaker 2: or do you think just Katie is just a flat
37:18
Speaker 2: out liar and this sociopath that she's being painted out
37:22
Speaker 2: to be by the by some of the girls and
37:25
Speaker 2: some of the viewers.
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Speaker 3: I mean, before I probably would have just assumed that
37:30
Speaker 3: she was like scared to get caught. Recently, it's felt
37:34
Speaker 3: very like pathological because I'm just like this, this feels
37:38
Speaker 3: unnecessary that the lengths we're going Now, I think it's
37:41
Speaker 3: like she's at a point because what we know is
37:44
Speaker 3: like it doesn't really matter what she does, her fans
37:48
Speaker 3: will side with her. So now I think she knows
37:50
Speaker 3: she can lean into saying whatever she wants truth or otherwise,
37:55
Speaker 3: and her fans will make gymnastics to, you know, find
37:59
Speaker 3: a way to like back her up. So I don't know.
38:02
Speaker 3: I think it's I honestly, I can't even tell you.
38:05
Speaker 3: I don't even know anymore because the person that I
38:08
Speaker 3: met is not the person that I've experienced recently.
38:16
Speaker 2: Do you have any intentions of going on Watch What
38:19
Speaker 2: Happens Live this season?
38:20
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Well, the thing is, I've been on
38:22
Speaker 3: Watch What Happens Live as a bartender twice, and I've
38:25
Speaker 3: always whenever I go, I'm like, when am I going
38:27
Speaker 3: to get on the chair. So it's not like beyond
38:29
Speaker 3: the realm of me being like, you know, Andy Cohen
38:32
Speaker 3: is my boss, like I you know, it's not like
38:34
Speaker 3: I can't. I obviously always a'm like, hey, guys, I'm
38:37
Speaker 3: going to be in New York like but like yeah,
38:40
Speaker 3: but not because it's not it's something I do.
38:45
Speaker 1: You should be all.
38:46
Speaker 2: I want to see you there all the THURSD night.
38:48
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the head of the brow. I do want
38:52
Speaker 2: to actually, before I let you go, you're a busy woman.
38:54
Speaker 2: But before I let you go, I do want to
38:55
Speaker 2: ask you this. You're watching the episodes like we are,
39:02
Speaker 2: based on you watching the episodes and based on your
39:04
Speaker 2: interaction with Katie Face to face, Gina face to face,
39:08
Speaker 2: Gretchen face to face, Thum and even Jen right just
39:12
Speaker 2: being in communication with her on via zoom. What does
39:20
Speaker 2: Keky Monique believe put on your true crime hat, put
39:24
Speaker 2: on your producer hat, put on the.
39:27
Speaker 1: Hat of a woman who's been around these girls.
39:31
Speaker 2: Do you believe that Gretchen told Katie that she allegedly
39:40
Speaker 2: did get drug the night of nacker Wasted while she
39:44
Speaker 2: was at dinner with Katie.
39:48
Speaker 3: The only reason I'm going to give you two answers,
39:51
Speaker 3: but I will answer. The reason I will say no
39:54
Speaker 3: was because again, when I got back my initial information
39:57
Speaker 3: and the information that I gathered, which I actually think
40:00
Speaker 3: I said on camera, but they didn't play because there
40:02
Speaker 3: was more to like it made sense, it didn't make
40:06
Speaker 3: sense that she said it, and so I was like,
40:08
Speaker 3: I feel like she didn't say it. But what I
40:12
Speaker 3: do believe is that naked wasted absolutely came up at
40:17
Speaker 3: that dinner. I believe the word hospital was absolutely used. Now,
40:24
Speaker 3: whether someone heard hospital and made assumptions about why would
40:28
Speaker 3: you go to the hospital and ran with it, or
40:30
Speaker 3: whether they heard something specifically about being in the hospital,
40:33
Speaker 3: that's the part I don't know, but I do believe
40:35
Speaker 3: the word hospital is used at that dinner, and I
40:37
Speaker 3: do believe naked wasted came up.
40:40
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeahh no.
40:42
Speaker 2: Me and Alexis Malino even conversed about this on this
40:45
Speaker 2: very podcast about whether or not the assumption of hospital
40:52
Speaker 2: equated to maybe Katie thinking she was drugged, which listen
40:56
Speaker 2: in Katie's offence, I will understand because you're only going
41:01
Speaker 2: to the hospital, you feel like I'm assuming you felt
41:03
Speaker 2: drugged or whatever. And look, Gretchen is caught on camera
41:07
Speaker 2: mentioning the hospital twice, so it is it is plausible,
41:11
Speaker 2: and that's why my theory is, I believe Gretchen did
41:15
Speaker 2: tell Katie the hospital. I do believe that Katie may
41:21
Speaker 2: have misinterpret interpreted, misinterpreted. I don't know, but that's what
41:27
Speaker 2: I gather from it, which is why for me, I
41:31
Speaker 2: think they both have been caught lying. I think Katie
41:37
Speaker 2: has obviously been seen as somebody that says no, no, no,
41:41
Speaker 2: no no.
41:42
Speaker 1: Then the next episode.
41:44
Speaker 2: Says, okay, I actually did do this right, And I
41:48
Speaker 2: think because Gretchen got caught saying hospital twice, I do
41:53
Speaker 2: believe you that the hospital thing was used again, whether
41:56
Speaker 2: or not the word Ruth the drug was used. I
41:59
Speaker 2: think will have to keep watching the season to to,
42:02
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully find out that answer.
42:06
Speaker 1: Kickim on Nique, what would you like.
42:08
Speaker 2: To say to the Bravo audience to the rain drops
42:11
Speaker 2: when it comes to you are are you okay?
42:14
Speaker 1: Have you been bullied online?
42:17
Speaker 2: Have people been mean to you in your DMS and comments?
42:22
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, am I getting bullied? Absolutely? And like
42:25
Speaker 3: have I just had to sort of like ignore it
42:27
Speaker 3: and walk away, of course, And like, well, will I
42:30
Speaker 3: always have this permanent stain attached to me because of this? Absolutely?
42:35
Speaker 3: But you know you can't. I can't let that stop
42:37
Speaker 3: my progress, you know, like I'm going to keep moving on.
42:41
Speaker 3: You know, I have like rebuilding with you know, the
42:44
Speaker 3: people that I care about in this industry the most,
42:47
Speaker 3: people like you and the other people I have they
42:50
Speaker 3: know me, and so I'm glad that I haven't ruined
42:52
Speaker 3: those relationships because again, like all you have in this
42:56
Speaker 3: business is your reputation, and I obviously care what obviously
43:02
Speaker 3: followers and people out there who are viewing me, and
43:04
Speaker 3: this might be the first introduction they have for me,
43:06
Speaker 3: you know, is this show?
43:08
Speaker 1: You know?
43:09
Speaker 3: And so I have rebuilding to do and whether I'll
43:11
Speaker 3: ever get it with a lot of people, I don't know.
43:13
Speaker 3: Hopefully the bullying were tempered down, because look, we have
43:16
Speaker 3: a whole other half a season to go. I'm hoping
43:18
Speaker 3: that there's way more drama that is less interesting than me,
43:21
Speaker 3: and then other people will start getting bullied. But you know,
43:24
Speaker 3: I will say that, like I know, also other women
43:26
Speaker 3: on the show are now getting bullied, and you know,
43:30
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's fair because you know, I've
43:34
Speaker 3: met now, I've met a lot of these women and
43:36
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they're all they're all cool,
43:39
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, and you're cool.
43:42
Speaker 2: And look, I'll before I let you go, I do
43:44
Speaker 2: want to remind the audience of this. You haven't held
43:47
Speaker 2: yourself accountable, right you have said. Look, I apologize to
43:53
Speaker 2: Katie because at the end of the day, she did
43:55
Speaker 2: tell me something that I should not have repeated to people,
43:58
Speaker 2: and you admitted that that was a mistake for you.
44:01
Speaker 2: So I do want to be honest to understand that
44:02
Speaker 2: you're not here doubling down on the fact we all
44:06
Speaker 2: make mistakes.
44:06
Speaker 1: I think the lesson in this is not just.
44:09
Speaker 2: For yous, for me, for everybody that when it comes
44:13
Speaker 2: to sometimes reality stars confiding in you, you do have
44:19
Speaker 2: to sometimes ask yourself, am I being told this?
44:22
Speaker 1: To release it?
44:23
Speaker 2: Or you do Sometime I have to say I don't
44:27
Speaker 2: or or sometimes stop and say, look, I don't want
44:28
Speaker 2: to talk about any rumor or being heard because I
44:32
Speaker 2: don't want my name mentioned. And I'm learning from this
44:36
Speaker 2: situation that comes to you as well that look, maybe
44:40
Speaker 2: sometimes it is our job, Kikim mo Onnique to even
44:43
Speaker 2: tell reality stars, you know what, I don't.
44:46
Speaker 1: Want to hear it. Yeah, if I just, I just
44:49
Speaker 1: I just do not.
44:49
Speaker 2: Want to hear it because what I don't want is
44:52
Speaker 2: why I only told this person and then you become
44:56
Speaker 2: the story. So look, guys, give Ki Monique a break,
45:00
Speaker 2: cut her some slack.
45:02
Speaker 1: She's not the first, nor would she be the last.
45:04
Speaker 2: But I think for all of us at the end
45:06
Speaker 2: of day, this is what this is where we can
45:09
Speaker 2: we can rally together rain drops and Bravo listeners and
45:13
Speaker 2: audiences and say, at least we got a good fucking
45:16
Speaker 2: season out of it because I've enjoying.
45:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want people to at the end of the day,
45:22
Speaker 3: like if I was not a part of this, I
45:24
Speaker 3: would literally I was like I literally could sit outside
45:27
Speaker 3: of myself and be like laughing about this is like
45:29
Speaker 3: how crazy it is and ridiculous And at the end
45:32
Speaker 3: of the day, it's just a show. And I think
45:33
Speaker 3: a lot of people need to like go touch grass
45:36
Speaker 3: and then come back and watch your show. But it's
45:38
Speaker 3: not that serious. Okay, Katie's thriving, She's getting more followers
45:43
Speaker 3: by the day. This is not hurting her at all.
45:45
Speaker 3: She'll be okay. I promise you, yeah, and.
45:48
Speaker 2: You'll be okay. I want to know you'll be okay.
45:50
Speaker 2: This too shall pass. Listen, it's tough, and listen. One
45:54
Speaker 2: thing I will say is this, at the end of
45:57
Speaker 2: the day, you will be in the history books with people. Listen,
46:05
Speaker 2: I can always fight things so like small a because
46:08
Speaker 2: it ain't that serious, like it's reality Television's silly, it'sa whatever.
46:12
Speaker 2: When it comes in season nineteen, just know you will
46:15
Speaker 2: go down in the history books as the most talked
46:19
Speaker 2: about person next to Katie Janella.
46:21
Speaker 1: Like, I just want you to know that.
46:23
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, these are great
46:25
Speaker 2: stories that you can have off the record at dinner.
46:28
Speaker 3: Okay, I am. I will say the only thing I do,
46:32
Speaker 3: like I am questioning is like, you know, I know
46:35
Speaker 3: that there was a source in my I did US Weekly.
46:38
Speaker 3: I you know I talked about this in US Weekly
46:40
Speaker 3: and in that at the end of it, there was
46:42
Speaker 3: something about, like, there's more to this Kiky story that
46:45
Speaker 3: you don't know, and I'm like, is there what do
46:47
Speaker 3: I know?
46:49
Speaker 1: Now?
46:49
Speaker 3: I'm concerned? Are you trying to drag me into season twenty?
46:52
Speaker 3: Please don't.
46:57
Speaker 1: Well, girl, listen, give your phone off top. I have
47:00
Speaker 1: to call you back.
47:00
Speaker 2: Girl.
47:01
Speaker 1: You're still mentioned it sement.
47:04
Speaker 2: Just know that, but they also aside Kiki on Nique,
47:08
Speaker 2: please let the rain drops and know where they can
47:10
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47:19
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you can always follow me on all platforms.
47:21
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47:24
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47:28
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47:31
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47:34
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47:37
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47:39
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47:39
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