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I mean, imagine like standing on a balcony, right?
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And you're looking out at the skyline of the most powerful,
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supposedly invincible city on Earth.
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Oh yeah, the absolute center of the world.
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Exactly. For over a Millennium, it's the
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engine of global politics, the hub of wealth, just the absolute
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peak of society, and you just assume it's eternal.
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Right. You think the systems running it
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are completely unbreakable? Yeah.
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But then almost overnight, the walls are breached, you know,
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smoke is rising, the city is literally being looted by
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foreign invaders. The psychological shock in that
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moment, it isn't just physical fear for your life.
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No, it's way deeper than that. It's this profound, shattering
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realization that the very ground beneath your feet, like the
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institutions you completely trusted to keep the world
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spinning, they are not permanent.
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At all. And that is, I mean, that's the
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ultimate civilizational panic. The bedrock just turns to sand.
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And honestly, the psychological fallout is actually far more
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dangerous than the physical. Which is exactly what happened
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in the year 410 AD when Rome, the so-called Eternal City, was
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sacked by the Goths. I mean, it triggered just a wave
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of unprecedented terror. So today we are doing a deep
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dive into the shock waves of that specific event.
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Yeah, through the lens of, well, one of the most influential
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texts ever written, which is Saint Augustine's masterpiece,
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The City of God. Right.
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And our mission for this deep dive is to unpack Augustine's
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profound argument about that specific public fear, that panic
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that erupts when we realize our trusted systems are fragile.
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Because it's a very human reaction.
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It really is. And honestly, when you look at
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modern anxieties today, you know, fears surrounding
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governments or the fragility of our technology grids or just
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intense social fragmentation, the panic of 410 AD feels
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incredibly relevant to us right now.
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Oh completely. It maps perfectly on to how we
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feel today. So we are going to explore how
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Augustine explains, you know, the mechanics.
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Societal calamity, like why trusted systems actually fail
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from the inside out, and crucially, where true stability
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can be found when literally everything else is collapsing.
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Yeah, and Augustine's analysis, it really begins by examining
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that immediate human reaction to a collapse.
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Because when something massive falls, society immediately
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demands a scapegoat. Right, because the psychological
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burden of a total systemic failure is just too heavy.
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Exactly. People need to localize the
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blame. So in Rome, the remaining Pagan
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population, they pointed directly at the Christians.
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I mean, the prevailing narrative was pretty straightforward.
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Which was what exactly? Well, they said Rome was this
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untouchable superpower when it worship the old gods.
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But the moment the empire abandoned Jupiter and Mars for
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the Christian God, the civilization grew weak, the gods
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withdrew their protection, and boom, the Barbarians arrived at
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the gates. Which is, I mean, that's the
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standard political pivot, right? You find the newest variable in
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your social equation and you just blame it for the
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catastrophe. Totally.
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It's a defense mechanism. It keeps you from having to look
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at the deeper actual systemic issues.
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Right. But Augustine doesn't just
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write, you know, a defensive apology for Christianity here,
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he goes entirely on the offensive against that
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narrative. He really does.
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He dismantles it by pointing out a factual, historically
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unprecedented anomaly about this specific sack of Rome.
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Oh right, the sanctuaries. Yeah, because when the Gox
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stormed the city, and remember, these were brutal, bloodthirsty
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invaders, they did something no one expected in the ancient
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world. They actually halted their
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slaughter at the doors of the Christian churches.
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Which is wild. Right, they granted open
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sanctuary at the reliquaries of the martyrs.
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The historical record actually shows that if the Gox found
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people in the streets to whom they wanted to give quarter,
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they would personally escort them to the churches.
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Wow. Just to make sure they wouldn't
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be harmed by other like less disciplined soldiers.
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Exactly. So the sanctuaries weren't just
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symbolic, they functioned as actual, respected safe zones
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right in the middle of a brutal sack.
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Yeah, but the irony here is just was palpable because the people
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who survived the invasion, the ones who hid in these Christian
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sanctuaries, we're off of the exact same pagans who, as soon
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as the smoke cleared, walked out and started blaming Christ for
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the fall of the city. That is.
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Wow, that's just intense hypocrisy.
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Augustine definitely calls out that hypocrisy.
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He compares 410 AD to the fall of Troy, which you know the
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Romans consider their ancestral mother city.
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Right, the whole Aeneas connection.
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Exactly. Now, in Troy, the Greeks worship
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the exact same pantheon of gods as the Trojans.
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They literally shared a religion.
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Yet when the Greeks breached Troy's walls, they showed zero
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respect for the temples. Not at all.
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Right. Augustine vividly recounts how
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the Greeks drag citizens right out of the Temple of Juno.
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I mean, Priam, the Trojan king, was beheaded directly at the
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altar. Yeah, the Temple of Juno wasn't
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used as a sanctuary to save lives.
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The Greeks just use it as a holding pin to pile up looted
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gold and, you know, sweat the captives into slavery.
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So the Christian influence clearly mitigated did the
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baseline horrors of a standard ancient siege, but OK, that
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actually brings up a massive structural question about
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Augustine's whole worldview. OK, what's that?
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Well, if the Christian God is orchestrating history and is
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powerful enough to like command the respect of invading
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Barbarians, why let the city burn at all?
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Right, the problem of pain. Yeah, like why do devout decent
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people have to suffer the exact same horrors as the corrupt
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architects of the collapse? It seems like a massive flaw to
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have this cosmic system where the innocent are just collateral
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damage. Well, that question is crucial
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because it forces a shift from who survived the disaster to why
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the disaster happened to the collective population in the
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1st. Place.
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OK, so how does he explain it? Augustine addresses this reality
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of shared suffering with a really foundational premise.
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He argues that basically God's Son rises on the evil and the
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good alike, and the rain falls on the just and the unjust.
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Therefore, the sweeping afflictions of lifelike famine,
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war, pestilence, economic collapse, they are distributed
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commonly across the entire population.
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But wait, if the suffering is totally identical for everyone,
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regardless of their moral standing, what is the utility of
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being virtuous? So he introduces this very
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visceral agricultural analogy. To explain the mechanics of it,
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he asked the reader to imagine a flail.
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You know, the heavy wooden tool used to beat harvested.
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Crops right to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Exactly, and under the exact same physical strike of the
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flail, the straw is crushed and shattered in the dust, but the
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grain is cleansed and separated. Oh.
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That's a great image. He also uses the metaphor of an
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olive press under the exact same intense physical pressure.
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Mud exhales a horrible stench, but an ointment or a perfume
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emits A fragrant odor. So the violence of the event is
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identical. Yes, the violence is the same,
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but the outcome is dictated entirely by the internal nature
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of the material being struck. So systemic collapse is
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essentially A cosmic stress test.
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That's a great way to put it. It doesn't actually change what
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you were made of, it just forcefully reveals it.
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Like in the same affliction, the people who have tied their
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entire identity to earthly wealth will just curse and
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despair. While those who are internally
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grounded, they endure the loss with patients.
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But Augustine actually takes that diagnosis a step further,
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into much more uncomfortable territory.
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How so? He addresses the myth of the
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innocent bystander. He argues that a lot of
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seemingly good people suffered alongside the wicked because
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they were in fact complicit in the city's decay.
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Complicit, but in what sense? Surely the average citizen
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wasn't, you know, orchestrating political corruption or
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commanding legions. No, but they were complicit
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through their silence, Augustine writes that a vast majority of
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decent people just loved their earthly comforts too much.
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They were terrified of losing their social standing, or their
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lucrative friendships, or just their comfortable lifestyles.
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So they refused to speak out against the moral decay and
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corruption that was plainly happening all around them.
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So they just kept their heads down.
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Basically, yeah, they might have found the conduct of the wicked
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personally distasteful. Sure, but they spared them from
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any real rebuke because maintaining a comfortable,
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frictionless life was their highest priority.
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So when the temporal punishments arrive, the quote UN quote good
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are scourged alongside the wicked because they shared in
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the love of that fleeting, comfortable life.
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They prioritized it over truth or justice.
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That is a brutal diagnosis of middle class complacency.
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It really is. It completely shifts the blame
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from a few corrupt politicians at the top to the broader
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society. And it's incredibly relatable
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today. I mean, you see a system bending
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toward corruption, but you want to keep your career trajectory
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safe or you want to keep your dinner party invitations.
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Right, so you just look the other way.
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Exactly right. But wait, that implies the rot
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was already pervasive long before 410AD, because we tend to
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think of the Roman Republic as this absolute pinnacle of law,
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order, and like noble senators before the Barbarians showed up.
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Oh, and Augustine completely dismantles that romanticized
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view, and he does it using Rome's own historical records.
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He doesn't just use Christian sources.
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No, not at all. He quotes their greatest Pagan
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historians, figures like Salast and Cicero.
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These men were openly lamenting that the Republic was morally
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bankrupt generations before 410AD.
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So the foundation was already filled with gaping fissures.
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Oh. Completely.
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So the Goths merely kicked in a door that had been rotting off
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its hinges for centuries. That's exactly right.
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According to Salas, the definitive tipping point was
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actually way back in the year 146 BC.
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OK, what happened then? That was the year Rome finally
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destroyed Carthage. Oh, their massive rival.
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Yeah, for a long time, Carthage was Rome's great existential
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rival across the Mediterranean. The constant looming threat of
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Carthage kept the Romans highly disciplined, unified and laser
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focused on the public good. Sort of a shared enemy effect.
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Yes, Augusta refers to this dynamic as a wholesome fear.
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But once Carthage was utterly destroyed and that external
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threat evaporated, the fear vanished with it.
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And what replaced it? The vacuum was immediately
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filled by a torrent of luxury, avarice and runaway ambition.
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Which I mean modern sociology back set up perfectly.
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The whole concept of in Group cohesion relies really heavily
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on an out group threat. Absolutely.
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When a society shares a common enemy, civic unity is sky high.
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You take away the external pressure and the factions
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immediately turn inward and start tearing each other apart
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for resources. Which is exactly what happened.
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The Roman historians know that the youth were completely
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depraved by sudden luxury, and this internal rot ushered in
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horrific civil wars. Like the whole Marius and Sela
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era? Yes, exactly where Roman
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generals basically turn their own professional armies against
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the city of Rome itself. They were slaughtering citizens
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in the streets just to seize political power.
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I mean, the cruelty displayed by Romans against other Romans far
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exceeded anything the Gauls or the Goths ever did.
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And OK, what about the Pagan gods during the centuries long
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moral collapse? Weren't they supposed to be the
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moral guardians of the civilization?
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This is where Augustine delivers a knockout blow against Pagan
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theology. He asked a really simple
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question. Where were the laws of the gods
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to prevent this decay? Right.
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Did they issue any commandments? Nope.
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The Pagan gods didn't issue commandments against luxury,
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greed or political violence. In fact, Augustine argues, they
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actively accelerated the decay. How so?
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Well, the gods demanded to be worshipped through these
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theatrical plays and scenic games that were notoriously
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obscene and licentious. Oh, right, the festivals.
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Yeah, the very rituals meant to appease the gods were actively
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infecting the morals of the citizens.
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So from Augustine's perspective, these entities didn't care about
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the moral ruin of the Republic. He essentially says they were
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demons enjoying the spectacle of human degradation.
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But I mean, that creates a massive historical paradox,
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doesn't it? How so?
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Well, Augustine is arguing that their religious system was a
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moral black hole and their political system was rotting
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from the inside out with greed and civil war.
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Yet they conquered the known world, right?
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You don't accidentally conquer the Mediterranean basin.
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What was the actual engine behind their expansion if it
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wasn't divine favor or moral superiority?
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Yeah, Augustine tackles that paradox head on.
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Yeah, because he completely acknowledges the incredible
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scale of Roman achievement. He doesn't deny it.
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No, not at all. He explains that the one true
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God granted the empire to the Romans as a temporal reward for
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their early civic virtues. OK, what kind of virtues?
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In the early days of the Republic, before the luxury set
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in, the Romans displayed incredible industry.
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They strictly rejected personal greed, possessed a fierce love
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of liberty, and had an intense collective desire for earthly
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glory. They were literally willing to
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sacrifice their private wealth and even their lives for the
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public good. It's like Augustine's logic here
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is almost mathematical. Explain what you mean.
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Well, he's arguing that traits like intense discipline, the
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rejection of personal comfort, and a unified desire for public
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glory, those are practically superpowers in a world governed
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by cause and effect. Oh, absolutely.
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God didn't just, you know, wave a magic wand and hand them an
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empire. He created a world where a
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society willing to sacrifice for a collective goal will naturally
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outcompete a society that is divided and greedy.
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Exactly. They weren't seeking eternal
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life or spiritual purity. They were seeking human praise
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and historical glory. And God, in his Providence, gave
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them exactly what they sought, a massive, glorious, but entirely
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temporary earthly empire. So they received their reward in
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full. Yes, but, and this is a big but,
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Augustine issues a devastating critique of the nature of that
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power. He asks, without true justice,
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What is a sprawling empire, really?
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Well, without justice an empire is essentially just highly
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organized cartel. I mean, it's organized crime
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with better branding and uniforms.
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I know Augustine uses almost those exact words.
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He calls a sprawling empire without justice a great robbery.
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Really a great robbery. Yeah, and to illustrate the
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point he recounts this amazing story about Alexander the Great.
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Alexander had captured a pirate who had been terrorizing the
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seas, and Alexander looks at the captive and demands to know what
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he means by keeping hostile possession of the sea.
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And a pirate showing just incredible boldness looks right
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back at the Emperor and replies. What do thou mean by seizing the
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whole earth? Because I do it with a petty
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ship, I am called a robber, whilst thou who dust it with a
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great fleet art styled Emperor. Wow, that is brilliant, isn't
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it? The only distinguishing factor
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between the pirate and the Emperor is the scale of the
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operation and the level of impunity.
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Exactly. A band of robbers is just a tiny
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Kingdom. They have a leader, a pact of
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confederacy, and rules for dividing the loot.
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Right, but if that syndicate grows, seizes cities, subdues
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nations, it assumes the title of a Kingdom not because it
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suddenly discovered morality, but because it achieved a scale
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where literally nobody could hold it accountable.
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Without true justice, which Augustine argues can only be
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found where the true God is worshipped, earthly kingdoms are
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just massively successful pirate fleets.
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They're built entirely on domination, not righteousness.
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Man, let's bring this directly to the listeners perspective for
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a second. Sure, if every earthly
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institution, no matter how grand, legally complex or
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culturally dominant, is ultimately just a temporary
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arrangement, or worse, a great robbery waiting to collapse,
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where does Augustine say we should actually place our trust?
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That's the $1,000,000 question. Because right now, people wrap
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their entire identities and hopes in political movements or
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economic systems or the promise of endless technological
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progress. And that misplaced trust is the
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exact root of the civilizational panic we discussed at the very
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beginning. If your entire identity and
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sense of security are anchored in what Agustin calls the
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earthly city, you're basically guaranteed to experience
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despair. Because the earthly city is by
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definition temporary. Exactly.
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It changes, it decays, and eventually it falls.
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So to break people out of this panic, Augustine introduces A
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radical paradigm shift. He draws a sharp, definitive
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distinction between the fleeting earthly city and the eternal
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city of God. Oh wait, didn't the Pagan
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philosophers of the time like the Platonists, didn't they also
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have a concept of the soul and eternity?
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How is Augustine City of God structurally different from what
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the prevailing philosophy was already offering?
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That's a great point. The prevailing Pagan philosophy
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of the era was built on a profoundly exhausting concept,
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endless returning cycles of time.
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Cycles like history repeating itself.
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Literally, yes. They looked at nature, the
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changing of the seasons, the cyclical movement of the stars,
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and applied that exact same logic to human history and the
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soul. They believe that history just
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repeats the same miseries and triumphs endlessly.
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Oh wow. Every discovery, every collapse,
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every civilization would happen over and over again in an
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infinite loop. So the Pagan view of history is
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basically a cosmic GIF. It's just the same animation of
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a society rising, corrupting and falling, looping forever.
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You never actually get anywhere. Yeah, it was a philosophical
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nightmare. The soul was trapped in the
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ceaseless loop of being purified, achieving some
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momentary bliss, and then inevitably falling back into
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misery and a physical body. That sounds utterly hopeless.
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Right. But Augustine utterly shatters
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this cyclical view. He argues that history is not a
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circle, it is a straight line. OK, meaning what?
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Meaning it has a specific beginning, a clear direction,
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and a definitive end. In his view, God creates
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genuinely new things that have never existed before.
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So Augustine is stepping in and saying History isn't a looping
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GIF, it's a novel. It has chapters, character arcs,
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and an actual finale. True progress is actually
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possible, just not through earthly politics or, you know,
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endless reincarnation. Exactly.
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And he argues that the exit from this cycle is provided through
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the true mediator, and he contrasts this mediator with the
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Pagan demons. How did the pagans view the
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demons? The pagans believe demons acted
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as intermediaries because they were immortal like gods, but
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shared passions and miseries with humans.
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Sort of a bridge between the two, right?
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But Agustin points out the flaw in that logic.
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He says an immortal and miserable being can only drag
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you down into further misery that.
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Makes sense? You need a mediator who is
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mortal so he can reach humanity in our degraded condition, but
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perfectly blessed and righteous so he can actually lift us up
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right. So through Christ, humanity is
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offered a permanent exit from the miseries of the earthly
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city. When a soul is redeemed and
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enters the city of God, the cycle is permanently broken.
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So it's a message of ultimate stability in a world that is
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inherently unstable. I mean, it changes the entire
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perspective on the fall of Rome. It really does.
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Because if you are a citizen of the earthly city, the sack of
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Rome is literally the end of your world.
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Yes, but if you are a citizen of the city of God, Rome is just a
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temporary hotel on a much longer pilgrimage.
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You might grieve its destruction, and you certainly
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suffer the physical consequences of the collapse.
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Right, the whale strikes everyone.
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Exactly, but your foundational security hasn't moved an inch.
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That's beautifully said. The earthly city is governed by
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the love of self, even to the contempt of God.
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It seeks its glory from men. The city of God is governed by
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the love of God, even to the contempt of self.
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It finds its highest glory in God.
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So they are fundamentally opposed.
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At their core, yes. But as long as human history
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continues, these two cities are inextricably intertwined.
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We share the same resources, we build the same roads, and we
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suffer the exact same physical calamities, but our ultimate
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destinations and the sources from which we derive our peace
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are entirely different. Well, this has been a
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fascinating journey. We started with the smoke rising
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over Rome in 410 AD, looking at a population just paralyzed by
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the fear that their eternal institutions had failed them.
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It's a heavy image. It is, but Augustine has shown
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us that the panic those Romans felt is a universal human
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experience. Whenever you put all your faith
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in impermanent earthly structures, whether it's a
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government, a financial system, or a cultural institution, you
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are setting yourself up for despair when the inevitable
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cracks appear. You are building your house on a
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fault line, just waiting for the earthquake.
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Exactly. And that leads to a crucial
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question for anyone listening today.
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Yeah. And this is the core of it all.
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If Augustine is right that every earthly institution, no matter
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how powerful, technologically advanced, or culturally
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dominant, is destined to eventually crumble or mutate
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into something else, what is the one truly unshakable foundation
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in your own life right now? Are you building your Peace of
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Mind on the shifting sands of the earthly city, desperately
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hoping the walls hold back the Barbarians of our own age?
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Or are you building on something eternal?
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Next time you feel that spike of micro panic when a trusted
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system glitches or the new cycle turns apocalyptic, remember the
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ashes of Rome and ask yourself, where is my true citizenship?