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Topless Keyforge or Exclusive Grim Reminders Spoilers · Archons Corner

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  In it, Jim, this streamous changing. Hi. This is Michael Hurley
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  from Ghost Galaxy and you're listening to Arcon's corner. All right, everybody,
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  what's going on? I am the one, the only w oh okay I
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  e finally time, boys, We've got spoilers coming out. And to help
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  me get out those spoilers, we got big Z. Hey, you're here
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  to talk about some keyboard Yep, we got the ELP from the South Southerly
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  alf Oh. We have our resident PhD doctor sheep don't know Smurder or should
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  we say doctor Nope, nope, we got the choke show Draft Corp.
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  We'll go on, guys and the Ewakyist of Ewok's Ewok Junior. Hello,
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  key Forge Community. Glad to be here. So it's that time. I
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  mean, y're again buckets to go over. But first we want to start
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  with the World's invice. They're out ship tell us about the World's Invites.
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  Well, got an email from Josh which said, congratulations, you have an
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  invite. It just goes through a few of the details where if you're double
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  qualified, you're gonna have to pick what are your events? If you are
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  in the boat like Z, where you have a buy in one event but
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  not the other. Your buy only counts for the event you wann't in as
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  you would expect. Yep, not all of us can have both. Well
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  that's because you didn't go to Canada. Hashtag geta was given out by If
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  I went to Canada, you might not have both buys. Well, thank
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  you for staying home. Mm hmm much obliged. What else is it?
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  Like? That's the highlights that tells you if you got a little bit on,
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  if you have your reimbursement, that it's only flights and hotels that and
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  it's good Thursday through. They're not playing for your strip club endeavoring. He's
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  flying Hooters Air coming back just for this one trim. Yeah yeah. He
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  put it in nine nice ballplinks, which is World Championships are invite only,
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  so if you don't have an invite, too bad. If you don't have
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  an invite, don't show up to KFC two Extra Crispy Now it's as there
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  are many other events to do. In addition, I thought that part of
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  the email was weird because only we were getting that email, So like,
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  why is that there? Bring your friends? I guess you must check in
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  by seven p m on the tenth or your invitation is four feet and and
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  you still have to pay an event key to join Worlds. So you gotta
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  have money. Yep, he's that money that they need. Those we gotta
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  make up for me. Don't know about the game found so they are better
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  double the costs. Yeah, so you're only fifty digital key, let's go
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  one hundred. That's a little strange that they're charging you qualified for an event.
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  Then you guys are you're so it is a weekend long event and your
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  seventy five dollars actually gets you the decks to play in the Sealed Alliance tournament
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  on Friday. That's what you're really paying out. You mean the l c
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  Q, yes, which I'm assuming is only going to be available to players
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  who do not already incorrect, not true, not true. So any one
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  is allowed to play in the l c Q ruin someone else's day. Yes,
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  I am just to crush your dreams. Yeah, yeah, the thing
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  about your teammate, and then we're going to totally collude and give them wins,
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  right, absolutely, I mean no, no, absolutely not no.
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  So what is against the mocking jag on their face? If I can pull
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  out a win. What is interesting to know is that this is the first
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  time they're saying you can bring your sealed decks from outside of the games enter.
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  I missed that. Yeah. Interesting. You either need to purchase them
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  or no, you got to get them from the goodie bag or purchase them
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  there or I don't ring stuff. There has ever been a requirement that the
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  decks had to be from the three they gave you. It's always just been
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  for all of their Friday things. Yeah, you did, matter what you
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  open them up. There's been very little over as far as any of that
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  goes. I'm gonna need some of that resealing glue, yeah, listeners,
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  Yeah yeah, upgrade, upgrade to the next level, get your case glue.
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  You could use the z score Google sheet to pre score the decks before
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  you shoot. Oh yeah yeah. So we uh, maybe we need to
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  offer to sell the reselling glue through like the game found like cards. They're
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  not going to get until twenty twenty four, so yeah, so we have
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  plenty of time to manufacture it. Yeah, but you need it by November.
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  So yeah. Yeah. Still some horses first. So when people show
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  up with absolute fire, you know exactly who to blame. It was all
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  of us. Thanks guys, thank you very much. They're not going to
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  do I mean, we got to make dollars somehow. We ain't getting this
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  lazy We ain't getting that sweet GG sponsorship anytime soon. So, community,
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  but when you have stakes and allow people to bring their decks, right,
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  there's an opportunity which is just yeah, this is the first sealed event that
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  actually has anything about you, like winning one more woe deck, Like you
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  wanted to spike your that so you could win that deck. You can have
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  it. This there is I mean like it's an LCQ which then gets you
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  into the fifteen thousand dollars tournament. Like you are definitely talking about a much
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  bigger potential prize pool at the end of the road than we've ever seen behind
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  a sealed event before. Of course, that is like most everyone in there
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  knows everyone else in the community. I guess it would be like a little
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  weird if like someone we'd never seen before shows up packs like just has pure
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  fire for their like alliance that they make and then go and crush everyone.
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  But and then go and win Alliance with their alliance. Oh yeah, like
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  that would that would raise a lot of questions. But again, like I
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  like, we know everyone that plays this game basically, like I think we're
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  fine. I'm not particularly not right on it either. If this was magic,
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  there would be a lot more like, hey, guys, we need
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  to change this right now. Wait, that is a thing in that community,
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  but that's not the thing here. Yeah. Going on the rest of
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  these bullet points is you only get to participate in a format you're invited to.
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  Next one point, if you're invited to both, you only get to
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  play in one. You sacrifice the other to the last chance qualifire pool first
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  place, Where was that there was a thing that said something about the remaining
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  positions will be given to the last chance qualifiers. Yeah, I'll get to
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  that. The other data tracking I have been doing, uh, first place
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  finishers at fault tours in nationals are champions. They get a first round by
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  if like so. And this is where I get to thank Nova because Nova
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  actually won three different buyes and the buy doesn't pass down, so there are
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  two less first round byes available in ARCon than there are an Alliance because Nova
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  won three of those events. That's right, Queen Nova reckon shop, and
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  then I'm the only other person who has like a first place one to sacrifice.
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  Well, no matter what, you're eating a bye because you can't plase
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  yes, right, So I'm definitely eating one one bye Nova eats two.
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  And potentially we see a few other buys eating due to international travel things,
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  but I'm pretty sure the rest of the US winners will be there. You're
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  one of the few z. You're one of the few other ones who actually
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  has to make a choice. Yeah, there was an interesting scenario that is
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  not covered in the Hey you made it to Worlds. Let's say I let's
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  use gr here. Gr has a slot in ARCon. He's going to most
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  likely play in the LCQ. Say he ends up like first or whatever,
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  like top cut of the LCQ. Is there a way for him to earn
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  an Alliance slot through that process? I now it doesn't say it in here,
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  but I had seen some language previous where if you are qualified going into
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  the l c Q, you cannot take another spot. That's weird to me,
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  like some players that may her to play the other format. Yeah,
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  and like like June would have been in that boat, like she luckily or
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  you know, not luckily, she earned her spot in Canada for the event
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  she actually wants to play in. But had she not, like she would
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  just have this Arkon slot, and I'm sure she would want to play the
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  arkonir Are they only going towards ar conslots? No? So tho, so
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  they're coming into this event which I haven't held my bullet points here, so
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  let me finish the email quick. The next one was about travel reimbursements,
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  which are good for airfare and lodging. Lodging between the ninth and the thirteenth,
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  so if you're coming, make sure you take that into account for how
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  soon you want to fly out or fly in. Taxis, rideshairs, entertainment,
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  food and other expenses are excluded. I think most of those things are
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  my fault from me bombing Josh with shenanigans. I suggested I could pay for
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  WAWW zero point seven cash prizes, and you have to have a W eight
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  or W nine, so I gotta fill some tax forms if you're gonna win
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  some money. Information on the events can be found on the Keyboard Celebrations page
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  at keyforging dot com, and if you have questions. There's the ability to
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  emails with questions. So that's that's the it's very formal. Josh Joshua,
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  Well, I think actually based off of this thing, he just becomes Jacea.
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  Is that his Yeah, it's Ja, Yeah, welcome, Welcome to
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  the boy band. I thought he was asked captain. No. I hear
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  Ja speaks fluent Vietnamese. We're hoping that's that's that's top secret stuff for later,
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  as much as we have secrets around here. Okay, So onto the
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  invite situation. As my understanding is my understanding, and we don't actually have
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  clarification on being able to change qualifiers, although I don't think they're going to
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  permit that because if JR Is the example, was to qualify for Alliance and
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  choose to go over there, then they would all of a sudden have to
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  change the number of advertised slots, and I don't think they want to do
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  that. What do you mean if he qualifies for Alliance? So I already
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  yeah, so I already had done no at the last chance qualifier. Yes,
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  So how are you determined because it's a sealed pool. Okay, So
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  the way it works is you play and then they're gonna there's they plan to
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  know how many slots they have available, right, So say there's four left
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  in Arkhan and six left in Alliance. There are ten slots open, right,
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  so then you're gonna play, However, many rounds of Alliance or the
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  Alliance sealed before the event starts, because registrations are going to know that the
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  end of the event. Yes, right before the event ends. They are
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  supposed to know this, right, and they have ten slots, and then
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  first place, do you want Alliance or ARCN? Okay, Second place,
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  you're already qualified, get out of here. Third place, do you want
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  Alliance or ARCN? Once all the ARCon slots are full, now, it's
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  just they keep going down the line until they get that many people to agree
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  to Alliance. So it may be that, like if it's four and six
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  and the first four people I'll pick ark On. The fifth place guy goes,
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  well, I don't even want to play Alliance, so I'm not gonna
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  take one. Then you know, it'll just it'll just keep falling down until
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  they fill out thirty two. That's how I think they're gonna do it.
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  They haven't actually announced it, and it could it could be that sounds completely
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  logical. So I'm gonna put money that that is not what's gonna happen.
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  I mean, it could be until they fill up one of their sets.
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  It may be that Alliance fills up first, but you're giving it to priority.
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  I'm just it's total false examples here, we have no idea how many
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  slots are going on for either right now. I was actually gonna jump into
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  a couple of discords here. I'm gonna say, what if there are no
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  slots available? That I think based off of what I know is impossible.
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  And we do have confirmation from Josh that, as much as he hates to
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  admit it, she was correct on what the or the organization of how Last
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  Chance Qualifiers will admit you into the world. I just might think that's true
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  right now. Who knows what's gonna happen until ctpcs that a bunch of dickheads
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  are at the top, and he's like, nah, no, we're gonna
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  do something else because I don't want those guys to play. Those guys said
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  bad things about me. I mean, I will be one hundred percent honest
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  that if someone who already has qualified qualifies in the Last Chance Qualifier and at
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  that point they determine. I think the numbers are so small that it would
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  have little impact because you're playing in one or the other, and you just
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  shift the number from Alliance to Art because it wasn't the idea. If you're
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  if you're the tenth place guy and you choose to switch, now they got
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  to go back to the start and be like or back to the last person
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  who didn't have a chance at whatever. You're dropping it. No, you
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  don't. You just keep going down. No, because you do not have
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  to do what you just said. You you do otherwise it's total garbage.
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  That's your opinion. The first no reason. If JR was tenth, the
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  first four people go ARCon and then at tenth place, JR says, Okay,
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  I'm going to switch to Alliance, and now they're going to go to
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  eleventh and ask them if they want ARCon. And that means fifth through ninth
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  got stuck an Alliance because JR finished tenth. That doesn't make any damn sense.
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  So here's the thing that you just it is a lot because I wouldn't
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  I finished higher. I should have choice in what one I'm going to play
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  in. In my opinion, all that needs to happen is once we have
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  the final seatings after lance Chet's qualifier, you ask the few people that it's
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  going to impact, are you staying? Are you going and wanting to switch?
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  If it's a note, it's a no brainer. It doesn't exist at
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  all for the one For the one person or two people that may impact,
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  you see where their position is here. If I would play it is don't
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  award him until after seven o'clock and if JR doesn't come and take his ARCon
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  slot, well then he's in the last chance qualifier for a last chance qualifier
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  spot. Yeah. I'm simply saying that if you if you see that there
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  are twelve slots in Alliance and I am seated tenth, I can tell them
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  and the information can go ahead and be used before. I mean, I
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  don't think it's I think this is a hypothetical that frankly isn't going to play
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  out. But if it does for the one or two people, it would
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  actually be a way that you could let people feel like they have more control
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  over the event they want to play. Okay, so as the numbers for
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  last trans qualifiers go, there were what do we come up with seventy two
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  original invites handed out I think was the numbers for both Alliance and are content
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  correct, but total, and now I'm just doing total numbers. I haven't
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  been paying attention, but I think this is good enough to get us where
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  we need to go. But from our knowledge, only four Alliance invites never
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  got handed out because one tournament wasn't run and one tournament had seven players per
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  our understanding. I don't have perfect confirmation of that, but that is our
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  understand So that puts us at sixty eight invites. Hold on, he's typing.
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  Maybe we'll get perfect confirmation. Yeah, information that I have. Yes,
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  So say we have sixty eight invites that we also know that six people
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  are double qualified, right, so that's six more invites that are just thrown
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  in the garbage. But do we even know how many that they wanted in
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  each? Thirty two? They already announced that thirty two that is published on
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  the He forged eighty four eighty after two unqualified tournaments, so you have eighty
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  total. Well that totally changes. Okay, Well, if there's eighty,
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  all right, then we're down to seventy six or seventy four, because we
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  know there's six doubles. I have six confirmed no's, which drops us to
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  I'm just saying, if there's thirty two slots, that means there's a total
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  of sixty four slots. Yes, and we're already down to sixty eight possible
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  taking. There is a very good shot that they're now available. On one
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  side, well, I have zero confirmations that anybody from the eight slots in
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  China can go, and most of my others I don't know about like I
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  don't because all their detections because the government took one. I have little confirmation
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  from the Dutch event, the Polish event, but I haven't actually heard much
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  from Italy if any of them are actually going to be able to make it
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  outside of one teammate. I don't know if anybody from Italy that I haven't
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  heard from the Greek people. Actually, I haven't heard from any of the
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  UK players. All of Europe, you haven't heard from moral now I've heard
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  from quite a few. Got the answers on the Swedes, I got the
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  answer on the French. Have you heard anyone about the Brazil because I know
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  that they were in disaster of visas too, where they may not be able
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  to come, so based off of the people that I don't know unless those
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  marriages go through. Yeah right, we did try to give away ewok all
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  right, so regardless, I guess right now, last Chance is just going
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  down the list and they're gonna say, which event do you want to play
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  in? Or here's the slots I have opened to you on our counter alliance,
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  and then the rest I just have to be forced into alliance. Twenty
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  six slots that I know of that I haven't heard it yes or no on
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  and I'm guessing ninety percent of those are not going to be able to make
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  it because they are internationals. So I guess we're not okay. So here's
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  here's my issue. Why are we letting people who are already qualified participate in
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  elsie Q's they don't take a slot away? Well, they, but that
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  does ruin somebody else else's chances of making its Initially, I mean, you
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  play the game, you play against some opponents, good, some folks out
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  on us. I'm going to deal with them on Saturday. Ye go by
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  the advice be American never lose right this game, Willie Like, you should
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  have to earn your slot by playing like not the worst people. It's not
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  going to be the worst people. But like it's called the last chance Qualifier,
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  you're already qualified. Hit the bricks. Okay, maybe worse is like
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  not the best way to put that. But like, obviously, if all
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  of the people that already qualified, they don't make team best people wouldn't be
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  in the field at all. They don't make playoff teams try to play to
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  get into the playoffs. Yeah, I don't know that playing the don't get
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  to try to play a game to try to get the AFC bracket. Once
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  somebody's locked into the playoffs, they don't just tell the person they don't have
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  to play anymore. They still play and they can still and somebody else playoff
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  run. So your football on LGA is trash. You have to give that
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  one. No, it's not true, yep, dead So I hear what
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  you're saying, Willkie. But I will argue that it looks at a different
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  skill set in order to maximize what you are getting with your Sealed Alliance decks.
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  And I'm interested to see what that brings. It may bring some people
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  who frankly, to make top two is a really big challenge for any of
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  the vaults in State side, even top four that was positioned for the Italy
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  or Shanghai vaults like those are big ass, so I'm curious to see what
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  people can play, how they're going to come about it. I hear the
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  argument for last chance qualifier. I don't see an issue with it, But
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  again, I'm on the side that I've already qualified, so maybe that's why
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  I'm just seeing as different. What are we supposed to do on the opposite
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  side, just sit there and do nothing for that day? According to the
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  email, there's going to be plenty to do, so go do something else.
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  Not on Pride night, there's not plenty to do. Play in the
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  go go, go buy the staff. I don't something else to do anyway,
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  because like that means it's too low I assume. I guess we don't
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  know that you get to play me when I land, but like a lot,
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  that does mean after two rounds. There should also be like some kind
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  of second amber ish thing to do on Friday, because that is a long
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  time because it starts early. I have no idea. Just well, you
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  can join the Imagine Menagerie all event hours, players, participants unlimited, But
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  we don't know what that is. We don't be monology the old Alliance groups,
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  I will say that has piped in and said last chance qualifier is too
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  low. So there we could be something to do, probably the MANAGERI thing.
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  So all other two LVO events have had second amber? Is there?
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  Two? Is their second amber on two l O Day? Maybe are on
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  sealed the Lion's Day. I'm with them. I think they're just in a
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  double down on whatever this menagerie thing is. And then if you're out,
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  you go do that multiplayer. Well, we would find out what that is
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  if if we can see found we gotta get it to what three hundred k
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  before we find out what menagerie is? Or are we just a few more
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  days and they have to release it? Anyways, we gotta November, gonna
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  find out November. That's fine, Oh too bad? Okay, So that's
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  the World's invite as far as we know, it looks like, you know,
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  if the twenty I'm already down to sixty eight sixty eight seats taken,
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  assuming the twenty six other all international people decide to come, then they would
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  have too many. I think it's I think that's unlikely. Even if half
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  of those people came, that's thirteen seats we go down and we're in the
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  mid fifties, and that leaves you seven to eight seats. So I'm expecting
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  there to be fifteen, probably like fifteen to twenty seats to fill between both
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  events or between both the total. Yeah, that's the range I had.
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  I don't like when we talked about the ones. I expect there to be
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  basically half a bracket's worth of seats available with is sixteen from when we first
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  like premathed it out, just from even if it was. Honestly, I
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  know a lot of these people are like using the window of time as the
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  reason they can go. But like, like we know a lot of people
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  that aren't in this country. There's a lot of people that weren't going to
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  come anyway, even if though that they were in the spot, Like,
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  there's a lot of people that don't like to travel here. It's just the
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  thing. I am really actually surprised by the number of people not in the
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  US that have expressed that they are intending to come to this event. It
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  is currently of the qualified people that have responded to me, it is significantly
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  more yeses than nos. That's awesome. I'm excited. That is actually surprised
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  me too, because like it also people there, the people responded are that
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  heavily invested people like us, you really want to go where the rest of
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  the people qualified are not in the discords that I'm part of and aren't involved
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  enough to be that kind of invested. I don't know. I've heard really
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  good things about our international community coming. I'm excited to be able to play
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  against people that frankly I can only play on on TCO online in real life
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  because there is a different component when you're playing in person. I wish that
• 26:48
  it was financially available and not a time restriction for everyone, that we could
• 26:52
  all be here. But the next best thing is that as many people as
• 26:57
  possible can be here. And so it is exciting to see an excitement of
• 27:00
  people saying, hey, I'm coming out, let's do this. Might have
• 27:06
  got more people to come if it wasn't Minnesota in Minnesota in November. I
• 27:11
  mean, Minnesota is not a terrible like the Minneapolis Airport is not a bad
• 27:18
  airport from an international perspective. I'm talking about like it's not bad. Like
• 27:22
  there's a bunch of international people who won't even know what Minnesota is. Like,
• 27:26
  Yeah, they won't know what they're walking into, Like, well,
• 27:30
  you know, let's gotta be warmer than Finland's. Let's give them a little
• 27:34
  bit of information since sense x rays here in the audience. Remember in November,
• 27:42
  the weather is not usually that warm, and so you will need a
• 27:48
  jacket. This jacket we speak of is a device that goes over your shoulders
• 27:52
  and it keeps you warm. You also need plants, pants, sleeves must
• 27:59
  past your lan. What you did describe sounds like he's just gonna show up
• 28:03
  in like a wolf pelt. If you're telling him to wear pants, may
• 28:06
  want to remind him to wear underwear too, you know, to be honest
• 28:10
  with you, I don't care if he wears jors right like, but at
• 28:11
  least bring pants. Like literally, X Ray showed up in a T shirt
• 28:17
  and he may or may not have had jeans. I think he was in
• 28:18
  shorts and had to run to the local Walmart to get a coat and pants
• 28:23
  because he showed like it started at seventy five, but by the end of
• 28:27
  the weekend it was snowing, so it was real cold. Yes, it
• 28:33
  was real cold and it was snowing, so yes, bring warm clothes,
• 28:37
  all right, And so that pretty much wraps up what we got on Worlds
• 28:41
  right, Like, it's gonna be awesome. It's really worth going to.
• 28:45
  Even if you don't qualify to play in the World's tournament, people kind of
• 28:51
  miss it. We've talked about a lot. There is both an ARCon Open
• 28:55
  and an Alliance Open, which are gonna be two l events that are run
• 29:00
  just like a Vault for the most part, probably are going to have well
• 29:03
  they're not cash prize, but they do have invites to the vaults for next
• 29:07
  year. I'm yeah, that's when people keep missing, Like, you can
• 29:11
  earn yourself you could be the well I guess we'll get them from the main
• 29:14
  one too, but you can earn yourself a twenty twenty four invite immediately if
• 29:18
  you don't make it into the World, those are going to be the first
• 29:21
  people invited. That's my plan. World. Well, I think we the
• 29:25
  people that win in Arkon and Alliance actual world, but you won't know that
• 29:27
  until Sunday. True, of course they open the Open. They all finish
• 29:33
  the Sunday, Okay, so yeah, they all finish the time time.
• 29:37
  So a bunch of World invites for twenty four. I imagine they're going to
• 29:41
  be priced similar to the GCS, which means maybe no money, but probably
• 29:45
  you know, some top formats and a bunch of prizes from the FFG Prize
• 29:51
  Vault. Top eight please and Top eight please. Now, no get screwed
• 29:56
  on top eight this year and nobody topic gets nothing till next year. This
• 30:00
  is for next year. So we're helping out top okay, yeah, top
• 30:04
  eight for sure. Like if if you make a top cut, there should
• 30:07
  be like, oh wait, we need to give the open prices. Damn
• 30:12
  it. Now, I'm telling you. He's going back over to the ball
• 30:17
  and he's like, what's some of this other crap f FG's got sitting in
• 30:19
  here. Everybody's gonna get everybody's gonna get a full set of the figures.
• 30:26
  I don't know. We're all gonna get it. They're all gonna get a
• 30:29
  hug. It's all gonna be. It's gonna be a hug. It's gonna
• 30:33
  be framed a hug. Now, it's gonna be framed. Sign pictures of
• 30:36
  CTP. Add that to the game. Found Crisp high five boy. All
• 30:51
  right, so moving forward, we got to get into the game. Found
• 30:55
  quick updates. Found we are at two hundred and seventy six thousand, seven
• 30:59
  hundred and fourty one dollars for four days. Yesterday it just went it literally
• 31:04
  just went up a little bit. I watched it like a dollar. You're
• 31:10
  welcome. That is AC's engagement right there. Five dollars of that yesterday was
• 31:15
  because my store put in for the retailer pledge I gotta I gotta harass my
• 31:19
  guy or just do it for him. Yeah, it turns out my store
• 31:25
  I already had a game found, so they did it. I email dress
• 31:29
  for my time. This. I don't know, man, this this game
• 31:34
  found is what you guys are talking about it because I I'm I have nothing
• 31:40
  positive at this point outside of like the community needs to push their local stores
• 31:47
  to get involved in it because maybe and I don't really know, but if
• 31:53
  they're gonna take they liked they CETP is a big fan of numbers and data
• 31:57
  and making decisions based off of some of that stuff. And if they only
• 32:02
  get thirty seven stores interested, that is not great numbers for them to be
• 32:07
  like, let's put a bunch of money towards store stuff. So let's get
• 32:12
  those store numbers up so they know stores want to do something with KEYFDGE,
• 32:15
  which means us as players have to be pushing our local guys to do it
• 32:20
  or getting permission to pretend to be their representative however you want to do it.
• 32:24
  I think I'm going to have at least three stores backing in my area
• 32:29
  for it. Could we talk to our story out about doing it? Yes,
• 32:31
  I have through email They said they will discuss it. They didn't promise,
• 32:38
  but I have another local store in Racine who will do it. My
• 32:43
  store I represent they did it, So I mean, like, I think
• 32:47
  that's really critical at this point for us. Is I mean, like,
• 32:52
  the game Found is a game Found. Everybody's heard me complain about buying through
• 32:57
  Game Found versus anywhere else. But this is a store metric that they can
• 33:01
  use to say, like, there are this money stores interested in buying the
• 33:05
  stuff and probably want op kids from us. So we need to put something
• 33:08
  towards that because right now we got nothing and they need to see that it's
• 33:14
  worth doing. The problem that I have is that this Game Found is set
• 33:17
  up for us as players and those who are heavily invested in the community.
• 33:22
  It is not. It's not reaching in my opinion, the game store owners,
• 33:30
  the communities that are there. That has to come from up. Yeah,
• 33:34
  it has to be. But that's the problem. That's already a liminated
• 33:37
  field. There has to be something talk about this. Give them the answer
• 33:43
  that puts something in front of game store owners that they can actually deliver.
• 33:50
  Right, they don't have the ability. Well, I mean, I guess
• 33:53
  that is a choice. Is they could make Jeremy's new job to just sit
• 33:58
  there on the yellow pages. No, no, no, this is this
• 34:02
  is really important because you're calling up game stores and being like, hey,
• 34:07
  did you know key Forge was a thing? Again? Hey? Did you
• 34:09
  know key Forge was a thing? Again? Like? What what tools are
• 34:13
  there this day and age that actually puts that in front of game store owners
• 34:21
  consistently and in a meaningful way. No, no, No, you're missing
• 34:24
  what I'm saying. We're we're all agreeing. This is the dead horse that
• 34:30
  has been That's not my issue. When if this data is being used to
• 34:35
  drive what should be happening for op that's a real problem and I want that
• 34:39
  stated ahead of time that has not been stated in the past, And that's
• 34:44
  where I have an issue. We cannot be going ahead and looking at a
• 34:46
  number of clicks on websites for for here is our previews or here is what's
• 34:53
  happening on Game Found in order to determine what needs to happen. We know
• 34:58
  when they use that as data, they can use it as data, but
• 35:01
  it's a really limited it's a limited uh audience base, and that like the
• 35:07
  game has a larger impact. The definition of key is a limited audience base.
• 35:13
  Like what we are if anything is coming from this Game Found, we're
• 35:16
  seeing the impact of how many people were excited for the game to come back.
• 35:21
  And because we haven't had op that is structured in the foundational op in
• 35:28
  our stores. That is why one of the reasons why we're seeing back of
• 35:34
  any actionable data I think, and I don't know again, this is a
• 35:38
  tool I don't know if they're going to have available to them, is to
• 35:43
  use the data from Game Found one to game Found two to pull because apparently
• 35:46
  they pulled a bunch of players who said Alliance is going to give us back
• 35:50
  this game. Nobody we talked to, nobody I know answered the lookie the
• 35:55
  lookie you know him well. But like they said, like talk into relapsed
• 36:00
  players or they're wherever they collected this data, like having something to do with
• 36:05
  their junkie decks. Whatever was a thing like that was not us, not
• 36:09
  the people we talked to. I don't know where that data came from,
• 36:12
  but they say they got it, so they definitely are willing to do some
• 36:15
  kind of information like that, Like you now have currently five thousand people you
• 36:22
  can pick and be like, hey, like less than a year ago,
• 36:23
  you gave us money to play this game and and now you won't. Why
• 36:28
  is that? I mean, what why are people not buying it? Is
• 36:31
  it? We have plenty plenty of yourself. It was like I kickstart stuff
• 36:36
  like I know you don't do that as much sheeap, but like one of
• 36:38
  the things that you get out of a Kickstarter with like a normal board game
• 36:42
  is like the stupid extra things. Like there's some games they give you metal
• 36:46
  tokens, the plastic tokens. Some games come with like normal like cardboard cutouts
• 36:52
  and then staid you get minifigures like like that's like pure like at the core
• 36:57
  of what a lot of the Kickstarter and game counts do. And right now,
• 37:00
  the only two stretch goals that we have are stuff we assumed that they
• 37:04
  had to tell us eventually, anyway, Like, well, no, they
• 37:07
  so, and it was never really saw that I saw as advertised because when
• 37:12
  the first stretch goal released, they didn't like click the release, so it
• 37:15
  just said the same junk as the flash pagers is, we're going to release
• 37:20
  the name of the thing, which we all kind of already knew. But
• 37:22
  it did sense it span to say that the signed cards, like they had
• 37:27
  done with the Grimm Reminders spoilers in the last one, basically the exact same
• 37:30
  thing. There's two hundred and fifty signed as cards coming out and then five
• 37:37
  totally unique as cards going I read that's who cares if the game found anyway?
• 37:44
  Not like well, but because of the stretch goal, Like wow,
• 37:47
  that is actually how it's packages that only unlocked win the two hundred thousand dollars
• 37:52
  stretch goal unlocked. Now based off of how prepping and things go, it
• 38:00
  wasn't really a stretch goal because they had already made like they'd already had to
• 38:04
  have cards signed and made something or like that already had to be agreed and
• 38:07
  be in process, right for that. But if they all sure, but
• 38:12
  that that's for all these campaigns. But that's where they are. That's where
• 38:16
  they and they admitted that's where they got their ass bit on. The last
• 38:20
  one is the later stretch goals, the language translations and extra stuff like they
• 38:24
  didn't have that stuff and they got their ass bit on it. So yes,
• 38:28
  they probably are being more conservative with their big promises. But yeah,
• 38:32
  like so far this Game Found is carbon copy. Change anything it said grim
• 38:38
  Reminders or anything that was said whoe to Grim Reminders and republish there is what
• 38:45
  I like. There's some minor adjustment and what else for stretch goals last time?
• 38:52
  Besides other languages. I'm trying to remember there was a bunch of stuff
• 38:57
  with on chain dacks. But so maybe maybe it'll be unchained. Would I
• 39:06
  don't actually wondering where on Chained is now, because like unchained was this thing.
• 39:12
  There was a big It was a kind of a big hit when the
• 39:15
  Game Found was live, and since then I can't get rid of my unchained
• 39:21
  boxes. They after saying it was only going to be available here or there,
• 39:24
  it's basically been unlimited for sale somewhere, right, isn't it on the
• 39:30
  Game Center website? Am I wrong about that? So for stretch goals last
• 39:35
  time, you had some scenario I don't know if these are add ons or
• 39:39
  what, because some of the stuff I can't I can't like click on anymore,
• 39:45
  the unchained decks, the token creature decks, or they're just the cards
• 39:52
  cards you had, like the play mats, which I think those were add
• 39:58
  ons. Yeah, those weren't stretch goals. Okay, So the next stretch
• 40:04
  goal is, uh, you can add a Dark Tidings deck to your pledge.
• 40:08
  So what so, I know, Drazz, you're joking, but but
• 40:14
  here's the end results. When when Z was talking earlier about metal tokens that
• 40:19
  goes out to everybody, the idea for an add on only being a lottery
• 40:22
  of hay, two hundred and fifty people. I don't know about you guys,
• 40:24
  but I also just everybody gets preview cards. Only two hundred and fifty
• 40:29
  be gets signed preview cards. But the sign signed preview cards, Yeah,
• 40:32
  you can't do anything with it because key Forge is a unique deck game,
• 40:37
  so three cards mean nothing if they're not signed. So I have seen a
• 40:42
  lot of other game finals where there stretch goals are the art book, the
• 40:46
  signed something from it just just collectible junk that provides no value to like,
• 40:51
  that's not that atypical and yes, on chain decks are for sale on game
• 40:55
  Center's website, so like all the exclusivity to them, like I say,
• 41:00
  think like the whole hope of them kind of it's kind of like they were
• 41:04
  hot to start and everybody's just kind of like, yeah, whatever, we
• 41:07
  kind of had our fun with them, like they're a neat side novelty,
• 41:09
  but they have no purpose reason they were not. They can't that that doesn't
• 41:17
  matter. It's also that on chain battles at any events since the first couple
• 41:23
  have been really existent. I mean it's you're allowed to play them. We
• 41:31
  give away a deck to the person who won the most. Like it's like
• 41:36
  the reason to engage with it is is really low too, Like I think
• 41:39
  unchained and stupid Ford kept it would have been like like I got like twelve
• 41:46
  on chain decks or something for winning at KFC. It was a lot.
• 41:51
  That's pretty good. Yeah, and I got a set of sleeves for winning
• 41:55
  it at gen Con, which also second, third and fourth got two or
• 42:01
  something like that. Like it was the only thing to do and I got
• 42:07
  exactly what you got, but it was the only thing to do that day,
• 42:09
  So there was gonna be more engagement with it because there wasn't options,
• 42:14
  there was gen con. No, there's only key Forge. Quit your Shenanigans.
• 42:19
  Do you see a scenario where they add vault Master decks as a stretch
• 42:22
  goal to generate hype, No, because they were very clear in language,
• 42:29
  or that vault Master decks they never promised unchained is being exclusive anywhere the grim
• 42:36
  Master decks that comes with reminder. So I think, I mean the question
• 42:43
  that we're sitting here asking ourselves is where is the engaged, Like what's the
• 42:46
  engagement here? Like? What is there anything in any of this that is
• 42:52
  making us excited to engage with the game? Found? And I think the
• 42:57
  answer to that question is no, Like there's no re that like some of
• 43:00
  the cool like I don't care if I have a signed card by Richard Garfield
• 43:06
  that that does not one and how much did you pay for it? Too
• 43:12
  much? So so Wookie, you're saying no, but I disagree. I
• 43:15
  think the excitement is you can go ahead and get your decks named again.
• 43:20
  You're gonna be able to pick your three houses. And the last part was
• 43:25
  the ability to have your image put into a car. Now, it was
• 43:30
  very limited at all talk about this. But that's the problem. That's the
• 43:36
  problem is that it only hit ten people and there could have been more.
• 43:39
  I understand why it's limited, but those were the extra changes. They were
• 43:45
  good. But the problem is is it enough. Because you've also had the
• 43:51
  impact where woe is still not in certain markets. It was very very very
• 43:55
  delayed versus the timeframe that was specified. The impact on local op has not
• 44:02
  been there. And so honestly, we're in a very very fast economy and
• 44:07
  fast the world extraordinarily down economy too. Don't know, but what I'm saying
• 44:13
  is that people move on. They've moved on to all their games. One
• 44:15
  of our locals on Tuesday, one of the guys who played with us were
• 44:19
  just is in the miniatures again, and that's where we are losing people.
• 44:24
  And so my issue is is that if we are a small niche group,
• 44:30
  we have to expand we have to be able to get out correct. Otherwise
• 44:32
  we're just going to keep with the attrition. We're going to keep losing players
• 44:36
  until correct. This is nothing we haven't talked about right time. So here's
• 44:40
  what here's what I'm going to tell you. I think we learned, like
• 44:45
  name decks was really really cool to begin with, right, I get to
• 44:49
  have I get to have my name on a deck. But then I think
• 44:52
  a lot of people learned that there's still going to be crap, Like you're
• 44:55
  still like, it's still procedurally generating. Picking that is really cool though.
• 45:00
  I like that there step there, right, so but again step to bring
• 45:07
  me back into it. But again, I think most people now realize that
• 45:12
  it's still procedurally generated. So there's still the opportunity for junk right now,
• 45:17
  it's it is a novelty, and exactly it's a novelty, right, So,
• 45:23
  like that's not going to get me to get on board with this because
• 45:27
  it's a novelty. Same thing with the poster. The poster is kind of
• 45:31
  meaningless. There's no like, okay, okay, I got a poster with
• 45:35
  some cards on it that my wife's not gonna let me hang anywhere in my
• 45:38
  house, so it'll either get thrown away or rolled up or something like that.
• 45:43
  The mats, I guess, cool, but like how many how many
• 45:46
  mats y'all got? Now from the last game, found Joe haven't taken the
• 45:51
  plastic off of one of the a single one of the custom mats I got
• 45:54
  in the Last Game Found They're all still just wrapped up exactly how I got
• 45:59
  them in a corner. And as I said, during that whole Last Game
• 46:01
  Found like anything but a matt. So I think I think the custom name
• 46:08
  deck is something important to keep in their direct funding two GG plan. Like,
• 46:17
  I think this is an amazing thing, and as people go forward,
• 46:23
  being able to get your own custom name deck is a very cool thing.
• 46:28
  I would personally like to see it as a game center thing where you just
• 46:31
  go there, it's one hundred whatever whatever the game found pledges right, it's
• 46:37
  one hundred and sixty bucks. It's basically the exact same thing on the game
• 46:40
  center site. You put it in, you put in your deck name,
• 46:44
  three to six weeks later, that pile of stuff shows up at your house,
• 46:50
  right or make it make it op right? You have to have play
• 46:54
  a certain amount of ope and then you can order a name deck. You're
• 46:58
  a I support the game show well, as you all know. I am
• 47:04
  absolutely opposed to them continuing game founds. I think it's worstly. I don't
• 47:08
  have a problem with like what Wizards of the Coast does, where there are
• 47:13
  certain things you basically only buy directly through Wizards of the Coast. It sucks
• 47:16
  for stores, but it's okay for them to have some of that stuff,
• 47:20
  like they need to make money too. I don't have a problem with Gigi
• 47:22
  making money. But as we as we have beat the dead horse here a
• 47:29
  whole bunch, there's no OP. There's no reason for stores to be involved.
• 47:32
  That's a problem. And when we're seeing if you guys are watching the
• 47:36
  reddits and the facebooks, there are consistent posts every day of where the hell
• 47:39
  is the OP? Which I spent all of last game found saying show me
• 47:44
  the OP. Like I don't care. I don't care a single thing.
• 47:49
  I'm still kind of on the boat of like I don't need more decks until
• 47:53
  I know what I'm doing with them next year, Like we don't have we
• 47:58
  know there there should be world next year, because they're saying they're already giving
• 48:00
  out invites. Everything else right now is but here the other problem I have
• 48:07
  with that, Okay, we know there's Worlds next year because they're giving out
• 48:09
  invites. Until that changes, there's there's been too many times we've there the
• 48:15
  old things that we heard about last year. That's what I'm saying, there's
• 48:17
  too many times now where Gigi has put things out there to just have them
• 48:22
  reeled back, reeled in changed, sure, what what what you're in?
• 48:28
  Don't put anything out there, then there's nothing to reel back either, Like
• 48:31
  that isn't better to just have nothing? I understand, but Dani're missing something.
• 48:37
  Credibility in your word counts for something. When we say that we're only
• 48:40
  going to do one game found and now we're on two, you've really hit
• 48:45
  and not only the different stores. When we go ahead and say we're going
• 48:49
  to have this by a certain date and then instead of just hey guys,
• 48:52
  we're in into some issues, it's going to be delayed, which is what
• 48:54
  happens with many other game found or Kickstarter issues. Oh wait, we're going
• 48:59
  to change the date. We'll actually deliver this after there's too many times looking
• 49:05
  at what was announced her. Can you confused what you're saying? You're just
• 49:07
  saying like they've fucked up, You're done? No, what are we supposed
• 49:13
  to take it on? Like you're saying, like all these things and we
• 49:15
  can make these assumptions, but we can't assume anything. I think that's I
• 49:21
  think that's the you guys are taking some interpretation like we can't. You are
• 49:28
  one hundred percent right. We have learned from this company that anything they present
• 49:32
  to us your question you question a little bit, right, But if there
• 49:39
  is, if there is, if there is nothing, then you have absolutely
• 49:45
  nothing, which is where we're at right now, right Like, well,
• 49:50
  we're extrapolating things out. I am glad to see that they are taking these
• 49:53
  steps to reach out to stores, but it is unfortunate that it is only
• 49:59
  you know, stores with in the current key fortunate. What do you mean
• 50:01
  reaching out to stores though they're not reaching out to stores, they're letting stores
• 50:06
  reach out to them. Yeah, but they're using they're using it. Yeah,
• 50:09
  they're using communication like there a lot of stores ran into issues with asthma
• 50:15
  day in the last I agree with that, but like I we need to
• 50:17
  clarify what you just said though, Like, is Gigi reaching out to the
• 50:22
  stores? We don't know that. Yes, this game found out. Well,
• 50:30
  if it's anybody, it's Janet. Janet's reaching out. Yes, this
• 50:35
  Janet of Ghost Galaxy sending emails to like, you know, the top one
• 50:38
  hundred major stores in our country, and anybody is anybody? It is sas
• 50:44
  at her job because there's only thirty eight pledges. Well, because here's the
• 50:47
  deal, because anybody who's anybody in sales knows that's sending emails is the most
• 50:52
  useless thing you can ever do, because they're so easy to delete. It
• 50:57
  is a useless thing. Well, pick up the phone. They do the
• 51:01
  job. We all have agreed here many times that we do not understand their
• 51:07
  current marketing campaign, which is nothing more than Hey, those of you have
• 51:12
  already spent some money on key Forge, here's a chance to spend some more
• 51:15
  money on KeyForge. That is the marketing we've seen, although some people have
• 51:20
  been seeing on the Facebook and Instagram that if you already care about KeyForge,
• 51:28
  you might see an ad saying the game found for key Forge is up right
• 51:30
  if the algorithm applies to you. Oh yeah, I like Jam's comment.
• 51:35
  If only we had a list of stores that have held keyfdge events in the
• 51:38
  past, maybe something linked to a store locator at the Master Vault. There
• 51:43
  you go, yeah, like they have this stata. What I am saying
• 51:45
  it is not Dan's job, But it's not my job. It's not Drasco's
• 51:51
  job to go harass someone that doesn't even know how to use a computer to
• 51:54
  make a game found to pledge for this, and not only that, anone
• 51:59
  else employed to do this job. We have been going to the same store
• 52:02
  since what at least January of this year for key Forge sure, and and
• 52:09
  still asking them to put down five dollars is a we're talking about it.
• 52:17
  Yep, you are correct. They did not reply to me like, oh,
• 52:20
  yeah, not a problem, We'll do that, They said, the
• 52:22
  managers will discuss what they want to do with that game. Found. Yeah,
• 52:27
  that is the response I got. I mean, stores are very leery
• 52:30
  of crowdfunding. They see it as direct competition, right, it is,
• 52:37
  they see it. It's just fact. It is clear though, Like back
• 52:40
  to where I was trying to go before, you guys keep driving off cliffs
• 52:44
  complaining that they're not doing anything, which you're not. But like the things
• 52:47
  that I've seen, is that correct about NOP There is a very large number
• 52:55
  of people are being like, shit, I still haven't got my last one,
• 53:00
  why the hell would I pledge again? And there are stores that don't
• 53:05
  really know Ghost Galaxy that might be like, why the hell should I give
• 53:07
  them five dollars? Well, that's the game found clearly explains that. Well,
• 53:13
  yeah, but like let's say, and it's you know, candy Land
• 53:16
  scenario. They are cold calling a store that just sounds like a scale.
• 53:20
  That's yeah, that's five dollars will give you access to a chance. That's
• 53:23
  why it doesn't go over. Well, that's what I was saying about j
• 53:27
  R. And saying like, there is no way to that that I can
• 53:31
  think of. Not a marketing person, not that smart about this stuff,
• 53:36
  but there's no way that I can come up that says this is a way
• 53:38
  to get it in front of stores, so they will pledge, because you're
• 53:40
  right, Like any cold email is just junk, like just immediately even hits
• 53:46
  the inbox a lot of the time right to stamp. That's like email spamming
• 53:52
  people who aren't already invested in your thing and looking for emails with your name
• 53:57
  in it, total waste of time, just gets deleted. So like,
• 54:00
  how do how do you get this information in front of game store owners?
• 54:05
  Like we've talked a little bit that we think the trade magazines are a thing.
• 54:10
  I don't actually know if game store owners still look at that crap or
• 54:14
  not. Nobody reads magazines anymore. It's twenty twenty three. That could be
• 54:17
  true, Like There's a Quest doesn't exist anymore. In Quest was never a
• 54:23
  trade magazine anyway, but whatever, you get my point. A gaming magazine
• 54:27
  whatever. Yeah, no, There's Game Game Trader is still a magazine that
• 54:30
  I know they get and we page through. But like the whole, like
• 54:37
  I, I don't know, marketing in this modern world of so much information
• 54:39
  being bombarded at you constantly is very very hard. Let's sit down. Let's
• 54:46
  sit down right now. We don't want to talk. We we're not going
• 54:51
  to solve their marketing issues. Well, I mean we want, we want
• 54:54
  to. We want retailer. They didn't use the p HOB. We're not.
• 55:01
  We gave him the best idea. They didn't use it, only fans
• 55:07
  up we wanted. I wouldn't know if they're ever on HOB. I don't
• 55:12
  know what I'm talking to do. Deep fake Taylor Swift one time it it's
• 55:16
  done, will be the most sole product of all time. Well, Well,
• 55:21
  here I got I got two relatively easy things that should do. If
• 55:27
  Williams one of them, you're If William is one of these things, you're
• 55:32
  off the cast. Just actually one, I've got three ideas. Two ideas.
• 55:42
  Okay, so if we remember last campaign, right, they had the
• 55:45
  Savior decks and there were a lot of folks like myself who just got the
• 55:51
  one that came with it and didn't wasn't like I'm going to pay the extra
• 55:54
  however many bucks per deck two? Uh to do this? Well? Uh
• 56:02
  if afterwards I had talked to a number of folks and myself saying, oh
• 56:07
  shoot, if I realized how cool these look, I would have bought a
• 56:13
  few more. And I think there's we've all we've all agreed to that show
• 56:19
  us some really sweet glamour shots of these Awakening decks get me to click add
• 56:25
  the pledge and add a at a half dozen to my pledge because I think
• 56:30
  they're that sexy post the pictures your interest exactly. The Awakening deck is the
• 56:38
  only thing that got me even thinking about it, and I'm wondering, do
• 56:43
  I get it if I do the five dollars game store pledge and just get
• 56:46
  one of my local game stores to get and delete? Right? Yeah,
• 56:53
  So what I think what I think for me, because this is the only
• 56:57
  thing in this that's unique to this that is interesting. So what I think
• 57:00
  is interesting looking at the actual game found campaign. Clicking on the Awakening Special
• 57:05
  Edition deck, you see the outside blue wrapper you can click over because there's
• 57:08
  two images. It does not have the unique outside lightning. I guess so
• 57:17
  the graphic design that was on the outside of I Save Keyforde might not be
• 57:22
  done well. It doesn't. But do you know what I'm saying, like
• 57:25
  again, but it's miss It's a missed opportunity show me something sexy. I
• 57:32
  agree with you guys and like it's funny only an artistcord. But I haven't
• 57:38
  seen a ton of love for the flu because I'm excited. I'm gonna you
• 57:45
  know, I don't think it's that ugly. It's I just don't care about
• 57:47
  plushies, like the stupid orange things sitting in my house. How is it
• 57:52
  not the fish you shoulish? Yeah, I agree, you fish should be
• 57:57
  cool. Flupe is cool. I like the plushy that could have already been
• 58:01
  like sitting on some story like some like that could have already been done by
• 58:07
  FFG where they already had like the whole pattern and nobody ever plays the art
• 58:12
  and they're just like, oh yeah, we'll take some of them since it's
• 58:14
  already ready to plus, he is just the right answer. Objectively, I
• 58:19
  disagree. I could care about ever getting another plushy in my life dog toy.
• 58:23
  All right, So here is here are some things that would get me
• 58:28
  interested and get me to pledge. Going to put it out there. Put
• 58:32
  these out there for free now. No multiplayer format, not asking for a
• 58:37
  multiplayer format. Specialized keys, something that is specialized in this game, found
• 58:47
  that I can use to play out in about in my local scene and at
• 58:52
  you know, worlds or a large event, any specialized tokens. To be
• 58:58
  honest with you, give me anything we sailed to this. We still to
• 59:01
  this day do not have any sort of acrylic as far as I am aware,
• 59:07
  and somebody is going to tell me I'm wrong right now, we don't
• 59:10
  have an acrylic ward or an acrylic enraged token that you have an awesome or
• 59:20
  at least you did have an awesome little partnership with a certain company called Luxury
• 59:24
  play Styles where I'm sure something to this measure could get done to where we
• 59:29
  could add it to these pledges. At least you did. I don't again,
• 59:34
  don't know what happens. Those are very expensive tokens. I understand,
• 59:37
  but I'm sure. I'm sure we could have a small discussion with Matt and
• 59:44
  find out a more economic version of said tokens to make I know it's not
• 59:49
  I know it's not what luxury play styles likes to do, but you do
• 59:52
  have an in there with somebody in that world who could possibly make you some
• 59:58
  some form of economical token set. And if there's one thing I do know,
• 1:00:05
  Key Forge players go stupid for hard acrylic slash metal tokens there. Yeah,
• 1:00:13
  I think I don't think you're missing there. I still think, and
• 1:00:16
  we talked to Josh about this, I think they're missing out. Like a
• 1:00:21
  lot of players still use the acrylic amber that came from the first couple of
• 1:00:23
  vaults, like and in more colors. I still have them. That would
• 1:00:28
  be something like so I was suggesting maybe for the vault seasons or whatever like,
• 1:00:32
  have colored tokens you give out for those, But then game found like
• 1:00:37
  have even you're right, like one of the stretch goals, like if you're
• 1:00:39
  in this, you get six of these super deluxe sparkle versions of them,
• 1:00:45
  and they can still be a crylic. They should still be the same size,
• 1:00:46
  they should still just stack with the other ones. They shouldn't be something
• 1:00:50
  where you're like, these don't belong with my other tokens. But yeah,
• 1:00:53
  like those acrylic tokens have always been very popular, still a secondary market for
• 1:00:59
  them, and and they're just yeah, they're They're gone. Maybe that's part
• 1:01:05
  why there's a secondary market, is because they don't just keep flooding the market
• 1:01:07
  with them. But those the acrylic tokens have always generally been appreciated outside of
• 1:01:12
  those of us who have spent too much being all on the really fancy tokens
• 1:01:17
  you had me at Sparkles, Well, I just think acrylic game pieces like
• 1:01:24
  we go google Gaga for new game pieces. Well, and the other thing
• 1:01:30
  that's sweet about those versus my custom deck or custom Matt that I don't care
• 1:01:35
  about is I can use them forever and ever matter what I'm doing game of
• 1:01:39
  key Forge, I ever play where the matt the deck, Like I suppose,
• 1:01:45
  yes, you could tafinicitely use the mat forever, but not once you've
• 1:01:47
  had three of them. Now you can only use one at a time.
• 1:01:52
  Really, so like yeah, the I mean for WOA, you could probably
• 1:01:55
  use two or three. Well sure, but I'm I'm totally with you in
• 1:02:00
  that the tokens are really the like it is the one bit that I can
• 1:02:06
  carry from every game to every game and always have to show off as I
• 1:02:13
  got them for whatever reason, all right, and not only that something that
• 1:02:16
  was extraordinarily popular the first go round. Sleeves. Now, don't use the
• 1:02:22
  crap sleeves that FFG did. Please please use no game Genics into much better
• 1:02:28
  sleeves. Actually, the game Genic sleeves aren't bad. It's whatever whoever they
• 1:02:31
  used for that first batch of sleeves. Those well, the Vault Master ones
• 1:02:37
  are made by game Genic and they're also trash. Well I think they followed
• 1:02:42
  the same pattern that they were using. Just go away. I talked to
• 1:02:46
  Dragon Shield. Somebody makes some nice sleeves, so I am. I am
• 1:02:52
  not. I'm not going to be a backer of sleeves because they wear out
• 1:02:58
  and you throw them away, So I'm never I've never been a big fan
• 1:03:00
  of pain. I like a premium sleeve, but I don't care about going
• 1:03:06
  to that next level of crazy custom sleeve because I know I'm gonna wear them
• 1:03:08
  out, throw them away fair. That's that's where I am. A lot
• 1:03:14
  of people really love sleeves, so I do think sleeves would be a good
• 1:03:16
  one, too good, because like, we have a lot of decks that
• 1:03:21
  we still love that we play quite often in person, at least I do.
• 1:03:24
  I would put those kinds of sleeves on those decks, like if you
• 1:03:28
  could put something fun on square bus right, Like, yeah, I think
• 1:03:31
  about sleeves. They're expendable. People need to buy more. Yeah, there
• 1:03:35
  there's a just the whole fact that we talked about how many times we talk
• 1:03:37
  about, like you made this sweet token art. Why is there not sleeves
• 1:03:42
  with the tokens so you know that they're that token when they're and that still
• 1:03:45
  doesn't exist. How about just failed make a deal with Burger tokens and get
• 1:03:53
  boxes those little deck boxes, those hard plastic deck boxes that are clear with
• 1:03:59
  the Burger tokens, but they have like house icons printed on them, so
• 1:04:02
  like you got to get the ones with the right combo of house icons for
• 1:04:06
  your deck. Like stuff like that, I don't know, are things that
• 1:04:12
  were extraordinarily popular. Believe it or not, this one's gonna be more tough.
• 1:04:18
  But any sort of clothing item the shirts shirts were place to do a
• 1:04:29
  clothing order game found is actually sort of one of your better choices because you
• 1:04:33
  can order exactly what you freaking need. You don't have to do the because
• 1:04:40
  your typical order when you go and you're like, okay, we want this
• 1:04:43
  shirt and they're like okay, you order them in. You get two mediums,
• 1:04:47
  six larges, four extra largs, and two double x's And that's how
• 1:04:51
  they you know, that's just how you often order shirts. They just come
• 1:04:55
  in these set size bundles and then you up with you see how clearance works.
• 1:05:01
  There's always a bunch of smalls because nobody can wear them right, Like
• 1:05:06
  there's only four e walks in this world and there are a lot of sheets.
• 1:05:11
  Ah. So like that, that is a thing where if they did
• 1:05:15
  it here and it was game found and they picked a higher mid quality clothing
• 1:05:21
  provider and they go like okay, I need exactly this money rip them.
• 1:05:27
  That is just back to it is a very manual handling project project. They
• 1:05:30
  get to get all them things back and then they got to be like all
• 1:05:32
  right, this box needs a this size. But then they got to deal
• 1:05:36
  with that, like there's always that catch to every time you add that level
• 1:05:42
  of customation. Of course, they clearly like to do this because they're going
• 1:05:45
  to do custom printed decks, which means they got to go to the pile
• 1:05:47
  and find the exact right printed deck. Then they got to go to the
• 1:05:50
  poster file file and find the right poster, and then they got to go
• 1:05:53
  to the mat file and find the right mat like so they clearly already liked
• 1:05:57
  doing this. But guys, how could you best? It's a giant picture.
• 1:06:05
  I'm just saying, like, there's things that the community does go Google
• 1:06:09
  Gaga for, and I think the three things that I just listed out number
• 1:06:14
  one are significantly easier to do than custom name decks and everything else. And
• 1:06:19
  it would it would entice me to do things. You miss the what did
• 1:06:26
  I miss? You know? You miss that they like to do things that
• 1:06:30
  they print and make the money off in all steps. So Ghost Galaxy plays
• 1:06:34
  HARDI forge to print the deck, so their company makes money twice how much?
• 1:06:40
  Okay, they don't have the shirt to printer, right. A sublimation
• 1:06:45
  printer will cost you about one thousand dollars, which I'm gonna tell you is
• 1:06:48
  probably cheaper than anything you ever bought. And you can buy now. Oh
• 1:06:53
  you got somebody standing there and doing it. Man, you you just you
• 1:06:57
  think this is all just like easy, cheap and quick. They couldn't even
• 1:07:00
  pack decks, right, and now you're gonna hire some other scrub depressed shirts
• 1:07:04
  like you're asking you are I really think you're asking too much. Like it's
• 1:07:12
  really hard to match those pictures. Whenever you think of anything, think of
• 1:07:15
  the man hour that it takes to do it. And if you add more
• 1:07:20
  than one, take it right off the damn list. Only man hour,
• 1:07:24
  but to pay for that skilled labor. Well, except that's the problem is
• 1:07:28
  like they're going to pay on skilled labor and it's going to take three times
• 1:07:30
  as many man hours to get it done because half the stuff goes in the
• 1:07:32
  garbage because they didn't do it right. It's I just I mean, like
• 1:07:39
  anytime you add more man hours, I just don't see it as being very
• 1:07:43
  viable. All right, Item two we're yeah, yeah, item too,
• 1:07:50
  I don't two. Yeah, all master decks they need to do it,
• 1:07:56
  No, they need to do I don't know. I don't know if more
• 1:08:00
  decks is the key, Like, yeah, give people something that doesn't sound
• 1:08:12
  good. I don't know, Master, and you know you can you can
• 1:08:15
  only add the number you can add goes up. Based on what pledge level
• 1:08:20
  you are in, right, like milk us, milk us for something Jam's
• 1:08:28
  excited. I can tell already. I just I would be more excited for
• 1:08:31
  the choch keys stuff that I would be for more decks. I mean it
• 1:08:39
  would, I mean me too. But we already know that they We already
• 1:08:45
  know that they want to only do stuff that they can make a house,
• 1:08:50
  which I there's a wisdom to that. Okay, buy buy a cricket c
• 1:08:57
  TP. When you're not busy, you can buy more equipment, train another
• 1:09:01
  person on how to use it. Is literally one hundred dollars at your local
• 1:09:06
  life. Not worth fucking around with for some janky ship on the side,
• 1:09:11
  like they like they want to be more than just like hey, look you
• 1:09:15
  know like like and then after you're done with, after you're done, after
• 1:09:20
  use from spreadsheet, is that good enough? Like no, is not.
• 1:09:26
  After you're done using it to print out ember and all the acrylic tokens you
• 1:09:30
  can use it for to print out tokens for another company that that is not
• 1:09:35
  a cricket, that is a significantly bigger investment. Okay, Then I mean
• 1:09:41
  I don't know what the I don't know what to see, I am not
• 1:09:44
  opposed to them investing in some sort of equipment that prints it makes tokens or
• 1:09:49
  game components, because that seems like as in their wheelhouse, do what they're
• 1:09:55
  doing, but like they don't have it currently. So yes, they didn't
• 1:10:01
  have they didn't have the machine. They didn't have the machine to uh package
• 1:10:06
  decks. But that didn't stop them. Didn't have the plastic, That's what
• 1:10:13
  I was saying for quite a while, I'm saying, but it didn't stop
• 1:10:16
  them from offering it. Sure, but but it also got them in hot
• 1:10:24
  water, and then they communicated it wrong. You know, So who who
• 1:10:29
  here has actually backed Southerly? You backed, yes, Drazz, you've backed
• 1:10:33
  of course, come on, get on this ship, let's go, guys,
• 1:10:38
  and the rest of us have not. Well, I'm only off because
• 1:10:42
  I haven't had time to do it yet. Like now I'm still pissed about
• 1:10:47
  that, like I need time. Well, I and I understand where you're
• 1:10:51
  at because like the only thing in that game found that like you basically don't
• 1:10:57
  already have or care about sold out and you can't get so all I said,
• 1:11:00
  I've been wanting to be a card in this game like two years ago
• 1:11:02
  on our and here we are the one shot fucked like right, It's just
• 1:11:12
  more freaking decks and like a lot of players have our want to open decks
• 1:11:18
  to play them and not just crack a billion. I mean there's still plenty
• 1:11:24
  of players who just cracked decks and never do anything with them. I like
• 1:11:27
  having a billion more decks that just go in the closet because we know that's
• 1:11:30
  what happens with most ki for shacks. It's just boo. I love this
• 1:11:36
  game, I love this community. I'll go down with the ship. I'm
• 1:11:40
  sad to see that we are not investing, and by we, Gigi is
• 1:11:45
  not investing back in the game. That's where it's sad. Yes, there
• 1:11:48
  was a monetary amount that was put in, that's for a very select group
• 1:11:54
  of individuals. I want to see the overall amount and that comes with ope,
• 1:11:57
  that comes with investment. Again, I'll go down with the ship,
• 1:12:01
  but it's it makes me sad to see an investment in Frankly, tools machines
• 1:12:08
  that can be used for other business ventures in the future, and I feel
• 1:12:13
  also used for key Forge. I hear that Southerly, but I'm gonna be
• 1:12:16
  honest. Things that I've seen decision models that have been taken up, and
• 1:12:21
  I'm not behind the scenes, but it leads me to think that it is
• 1:12:26
  not a long term plan, that it is a short sided piece, and
• 1:12:30
  that's that's disappointing. I think that someone who's truly passionate about the game can
• 1:12:36
  balance the amount that was put in, especially knowing the amount that we raised
• 1:12:42
  over a million dollars, there's a substantial amount put into machinery that some of
• 1:12:47
  that needed to be put into developing an actual plan and communicating and working with
• 1:12:53
  stores internal streasure as a million dollars was not this amazing ze amount of money
• 1:13:00
  to run a game off of. And yes, there just wasn't. I
• 1:13:04
  I don't know what there was for boxes sold after sales, but I I
• 1:13:11
  personally I did not go through like they can't get anymore now, Like I
• 1:13:17
  don't know what they'll take. I hear you you walk, but I don't.
• 1:13:19
  I'm not sure that that's the that case. Well, that's the problem,
• 1:13:26
  is the right, You're right, we have no information. Yeah,
• 1:13:29
  they've lost credibility. That's what you missed. Like when when a business loses
• 1:13:34
  credibility when other people have options to move on to other games when you've already
• 1:13:40
  had issues from FFG previously, Like there was a large content, there was
• 1:13:45
  a large contingent that came back. I still don't get what you're saying here.
• 1:13:49
  You're saying like they suck, but I'm still here, Like what are
• 1:13:56
  you really saying? Like I don't understand, Like I know clearly what I'm
• 1:13:59
  saying. I'm saying like I'm not going to back this game found because they
• 1:14:04
  haven't delivered enough for me to do with it. But I'm already so invested
• 1:14:09
  in this game. I'm not going away. But they're not getting more money
• 1:14:13
  out of me until something, something changes, right, until I know why
• 1:14:19
  I'm buying more decks, Like I'll continue to buy single decks as long as
• 1:14:23
  I have local play, which is totally supported by ourselves, and the only
• 1:14:27
  thing I get out of that is hanging out with you guys. There's no
• 1:14:29
  prizes, there's no nothing, but like I am the prize sheep. What
• 1:14:32
  are you trying to say? Well, you're you're not wrong, Like the
• 1:14:35
  fact that the people that I like to hang out and talk with show up
• 1:14:40
  and play card games with me is the prize. You're right that is why
• 1:14:42
  I'm still there spending money on a game that doesn't provide anything else to me.
• 1:14:45
  I've always thought as hobby dollars and not that. But like, I
• 1:14:49
  don't understand why you would be back in a game that you have no faith
• 1:14:55
  in, Like, why would you give them significant more amounts of money?
• 1:14:59
  Because I I love the community and this is my friend group, this is
• 1:15:02
  my socialization. The reason why I'm give dollars to the community, then don't
• 1:15:08
  give dollars to have I not invested in the time and group. But I'm
• 1:15:14
  just like, why what if you're saying like you're you're you're not fulfilled,
• 1:15:19
  why keep I mean, it's like buying Pizza Hut but hate keep buying Pizza
• 1:15:24
  Hut, pizzas but hating Pizza Hut. It's like, yeah, Pizza Hut
• 1:15:28
  sucks, but it's uh me, So I'm just gonna keep buying it.
• 1:15:31
  Like, I mean, I understand that this is what our podcast has been
• 1:15:36
  up for a very long time. We will provide feedback to try and make
• 1:15:40
  it better, and I do believe that has done that. With our Vault
• 1:15:44
  tours that are there, they've improved as we've gone through the season. So
• 1:15:47
  this has been great for us, those of us who travel and will pay
• 1:15:53
  dumb amount of money to play this game. It's been located in the US
• 1:15:57
  and located in the US, it's also been great. It's also been great
• 1:16:00
  to be near Canada. But thank you, thank you Canada. Yeah,
• 1:16:06
  like, they have not delivered across the board. My biggest hope is they
• 1:16:12
  go, well, there were six thousand backers and one point one million dollars
• 1:16:16
  in a game that they know, they didn't advertise that they you know,
• 1:16:23
  whatever, problems whatever, And they're like, and then they can take this
• 1:16:25
  data and be like, well what we did over the last year turned our
• 1:16:29
  one million dollars into two hundred and seventy five. Okay, so maybe four
• 1:16:32
  hundred thousand dollars we're hoping when this is done right and they go like,
• 1:16:38
  the decisions we made did not lead to significant growth, and they decide it's
• 1:16:45
  worth another year of decisions and trying something different, because like and and I
• 1:16:53
  really don't believe me backing this game found makes it one bit of difference whether
• 1:16:57
  on these decisions like this this is or like my little bit of money does
• 1:17:03
  not matter in this but like that they say we need to make some different
• 1:17:06
  decisions because there are clearly another five thousand people we can get giving us money
• 1:17:13
  if we present them something that will engage them, and it's clearly not this
• 1:17:16
  Game Found, and they can take the data and be like, well,
• 1:17:19
  people were interested in saving key Forge and getting back in. But then they
• 1:17:24
  need to find the answer on why people didn't reinvest this time, which I
• 1:17:30
  really think most answers will be because the same kind of answer I'm giving,
• 1:17:33
  which is what do I do with more decks? There's a less I'm able
• 1:17:41
  to go to vault tours, there's nothing significant to do with them. And
• 1:17:45
  then you have the other twenty percent, which are all the people being like,
• 1:17:48
  well, Game Found was a damn disaster last time. We're just not
• 1:17:51
  Game Founded a guess. Not that we don't want to buy more key Forage,
• 1:17:54
  but we're done dealing with Game Found style distribution of stuff because it was
• 1:18:00
  just not done well. Things are all over the place. We gave you
• 1:18:03
  a lot of money and things were not delivered in a satisfactory manners. There's
• 1:18:10
  a bad badly produced Game Found. Whatever badly delivered Game Found is one side
• 1:18:18
  of it. But then clearly most of those people from the numbers we got
• 1:18:21
  were in America. I had an opportunity to go to vall tours and are
• 1:18:26
  not rebacking right now. Yeah, So, I mean the bottom line is
• 1:18:29
  if they want to start moving product, they need to get keyboards into stores,
• 1:18:31
  and to give them the stores, they need to give people a reason
• 1:18:34
  to play it in the stores. I agree, that's what I think it
• 1:18:38
  is, yep, but right right now, but I don't have anything more
• 1:18:43
  than seven posts and gut feeling. See you, you asked why I back
• 1:18:47
  at this point, back because I love the community and frankly I had woe
• 1:18:53
  that I backed that I brought so that if people didn't have their own Game
• 1:18:57
  Found campaign we could play. Because right now that's my concern, sheep,
• 1:19:01
  whether you realize it or not, I don't have faith that our stores,
• 1:19:05
  even with us pushing, are going to be able to get products, let
• 1:19:11
  alone in a timely manner. We saw us. We saw a five month
• 1:19:15
  gap. You're worried about me not having grim reminders to explain with you know,
• 1:19:19
  the five people who are going to show up to the store. There
• 1:19:21
  is no zero new blood and this Game Found on the way it is currently
• 1:19:28
  going and thirty seven stores backing isn't going to deliver those players either, Like
• 1:19:32
  you're you're backing for people who there is still no message getting to them to
• 1:19:39
  come play key Forge that you're like that, don't I mean like you are
• 1:19:45
  the community sheep, it's you. It's lucky, it's lucky. This way
• 1:19:50
  it stands though, jar like like thirty seven is not even one per state
• 1:19:55
  in our country. I'm I'm, I'm well aware of that. But what
• 1:19:58
  I'm saying is this is my social outlet from being able to talk here and
• 1:20:02
  to be able to go out once a week to see my friends. Have
• 1:20:06
  I been blessed to be able to go out to Vault tours and be able
• 1:20:11
  to have wonderful weekends with some of these people, most definitely, And I
• 1:20:15
  enjoy and cherish that time. But if that means right now that for a
• 1:20:19
  while we were not going because there were no events, there was no product
• 1:20:24
  that we could have, and there was really no purpose then for going.
• 1:20:27
  Now we have a few people who are here, I would prefer to go
• 1:20:30
  a hout and back, have some of it show the store that we're interested.
• 1:20:35
  I don't even care if they're going to go ahead and take the product
• 1:20:38
  from me so that we can continue to run events. But right now I
• 1:20:42
  don't see outside of connecting a few stores. Maybe it's just a very localized
• 1:20:49
  well that's how my store survival as far as like, we played either bi
• 1:20:53
  weekly or weekly the entire time, and it has always been through product that
• 1:20:59
  I owned. Even now, like the stores out for whatever reason they can't
• 1:21:03
  get more. They they said they had got a ship in and did it'll
• 1:21:06
  be one single display. It ran out the very next Sunday we played sealed
• 1:21:11
  and now we're back to using my stuff and like basically all the stuff that
• 1:21:15
  I bought has gone to the store, just ordered yesterday and got confirmed.
• 1:21:21
  Okay, so I'll talk to me. Maybe there was a restock. I
• 1:21:25
  don't know. Again, like we we are very aware that Asthma Day is
• 1:21:30
  a trash shoot to deal with. Like they like you would think if Asthma
• 1:21:35
  Day had good sales rep which they don't, that your store who has been
• 1:21:40
  like can I have key fords? I have keyboards now and that they got
• 1:21:44
  keyboards at that sales rep. Like I got key fords, do you want
• 1:21:45
  them? Because the sales reps probably do have some amount of commission in their
• 1:21:50
  sales. But maybe they don't as I don't really know. They probably don't
• 1:21:56
  care ASTHMA day reps. You should know, aren't. They're not salespeople,
• 1:22:00
  they're order takers. Yeah, Like, but our store has sold literally every
• 1:22:03
  single deck through I'm a sales counter that is ever shipped to the store.
• 1:22:10
  If for us at our store, if you know, because there's a box
• 1:22:14
  there and I've thought about it, but I'm like, no, we need
• 1:22:15
  that for sealed play. I haven't thought that because the reason I don't we
• 1:22:19
  can get more. The reason our store has not sold more is because we
• 1:22:24
  don't want to take it all off the shelf and God willing, he's this
• 1:22:29
  willing somebody comes into the key forge stack like, we don't want it to
• 1:22:33
  not be there because those of us who don't need more botballing are we restrict
• 1:22:41
  how much we're buying there because yeah, we want to leave it on the
• 1:22:45
  store shelf, right, Jam says. The reason that they weren't able to
• 1:22:47
  do store oh pe going this year going this year because the delays in well
• 1:22:53
  production or displays me as no sealed events. The question we have had decks
• 1:22:58
  now for while I don't think that the I don't think that the reason we
• 1:23:03
  haven't had op is because we can't have sealed events, Like that's the sealed
• 1:23:08
  isn't even one of the major UH formats in this game. Oh my gosh,
• 1:23:14
  I want to sell products. Calm down, dress, calm down.
• 1:23:17
  Maybe maybe it'll change. We all hope that sealed is an integral part of
• 1:23:25
  OPIE next season. You like money, bring back sealed, will buy it?
• 1:23:30
  All right, it's not about that. Even if you like money,
• 1:23:33
  do you like your player like this is what they want? This again,
• 1:23:41
  we hear you like nobody's local stores are most places. Local stores are not
• 1:23:47
  building a tons. Some people are having more success. I mean, as
• 1:23:50
  we were walking out this Tuesday, the guy's like, oh, did you
• 1:23:55
  hear about the new shipment and to listen, and he told us about Lord
• 1:23:59
  Kanah. Yeah. So, but the stores that are expanding, it's probably
• 1:24:05
  one hundred percent. They've got a very excited player who is very invested in
• 1:24:11
  trying to push their thing, which at this point I think Ghost Galaxy is
• 1:24:15
  failing to use the community in that grind, like are we're doing it purely
• 1:24:21
  out of the love of the game, which we have a ton of but
• 1:24:25
  like we're also not given anything to work with, right, it's just us.
• 1:24:32
  We can come up by ourselves whatever. I am willing to cough up
• 1:24:35
  out of my own pockets to make these events happen at stores. It's it's
• 1:24:42
  silly, all right, So make it add on where we can buy a
• 1:24:47
  op kit, store starter, community runner. Yes, and I get stuff
• 1:24:56
  that then I can take to my store. I would back then. That
• 1:25:01
  was a promise. In the original thing, there was the key bringer,
• 1:25:04
  key of Sulter, key Shelter, I'm your key assaulter, right, which
• 1:25:13
  was meant to be like they said, community members are going to be able
• 1:25:15
  to buy it, Like it wasn't going to be a store only because they
• 1:25:18
  know that it isn't just stores and there's a lot of community run stuff.
• 1:25:23
  But you know that didn't I might or a kid insulter pledge name alone.
• 1:25:30
  Yes, I'm pretty sure it was a key bringer. But yes, we
• 1:25:32
  all get with you, all right. We have been uh extraordinarily long winded
• 1:25:38
  here and we have spoiler cards to go over. Oh yeah, then we
• 1:25:42
  only do ours today? Yeah, I agree, let's only do ours today
• 1:25:45
  because that's we've already been extraordinarily long winded on this, but our spoilers we
• 1:25:50
  got from gg we have to give it. Oh yeah, go ahead,
• 1:25:56
  do your obligatory spoiler warning. All right, thank you for saying with us.
• 1:25:59
  If anyone's actually still with us. We know we've been a long time
• 1:26:01
  and we're probably said around fifteen times that we've alreadys said a previous cast,
• 1:26:08
  but we appreciate you for listening. If you would like to hear more of
• 1:26:12
  us, sign up for our Patreon. But for the rest of the cast,
• 1:26:15
  we're going to talk about spoilers from a grim reminder, as it's looking
• 1:26:17
  pretty spicy in the two that we're gonna give to you today, and it
• 1:26:20
  is only two are our Arcons Corner exclusive ones, So here we go.
• 1:26:26
  We'llee kick us off, all right, coming out, make sure number one,
• 1:26:30
  thank you to Gigi for providing us with these spoilers. We greatly do
• 1:26:33
  appreciate it. Number two, go check out the video. If you want
• 1:26:36
  some images to see short video three minutes, you can go over to our
• 1:26:40
  YouTube check that out our cons corner. I'll probably post them all over the
• 1:26:44
  social media's too. But first up, we've got forgotten Guardian. Now he
• 1:26:47
  has a five power untamed creature elemental play, purge a card from a disccard
• 1:26:54
  pile, scrap shuffle a purge card into its owner's deck. This is a
• 1:27:00
  rarege recursion. He is a rare that is perge recursion. Sir, Why
• 1:27:04
  is this that rare though? Like, because do you want that much perge
• 1:27:09
  recursion? I mean, yeah, him, yes, I want to common.
• 1:27:14
  Give it to me uncommon, Like even even at common, it's not
• 1:27:18
  op or of its plays are going to be for nothing because there is nothing
• 1:27:25
  purged in a game like and spat to the play. Yeah, the play
• 1:27:32
  is purgect card from a discarder. Okay, so just scrap effect like half
• 1:27:36
  to like it's often not going to weget. If this is at common,
• 1:27:44
  it would create like a way to get some interesting level recursion because you could
• 1:27:47
  like purge your own card and then scrap one to shuffle back into your own
• 1:27:51
  deck, Like there could have been interesting. Like I think it's an interesting
• 1:27:55
  card, but like, why is it rare? Like That's that's what I'm
• 1:27:59
  brying, Like, I don't I don't see the reason that this thing should
• 1:28:02
  be rare, like it's it's I don't know it's one of those like weird
• 1:28:08
  rares, Like what's a weird rare that kind of has a need ability but
• 1:28:12
  you don't see it enough for to matter, like Either of the Dead,
• 1:28:14
  Like that wasn't actually an interesting card. I think it could have been more
• 1:28:16
  interesting returning. Yeah, like word of Return, Like those are like interesting
• 1:28:21
  niche cards that could have been better if they were just seen more. But
• 1:28:27
  yeah, this is one of those no one's searching for this, so if
• 1:28:30
  you're like pair up against it, it is just coincidental that it is in
• 1:28:33
  their deck, right, see them lightly worse than first. Oh, it's
• 1:28:38
  a way worse, like a hundred times. But I could see them not
• 1:28:43
  wanting to put another purge card on common. I hope it's not the scrappability
• 1:28:48
  that put it to where they're like, oh, we want to they there
• 1:28:50
  could be some ethos where they're like, we want to keep returning Perche cards
• 1:28:55
  as a rare effect because like Perche is supposed to be perche, and when
• 1:28:59
  it comes like secondary discard archive pile, it's a little silly. I think
• 1:29:04
  they just make cards and then roll the dice and they decided that's the rarity
• 1:29:10
  and then like if they get to sixteen, it common and uncommon. The
• 1:29:13
  rest is start. Are you suggesting this may just be AI randomness? Yeah,
• 1:29:17
  I typically be better if I made them typically what we've seen that cards.
• 1:29:25
  The meaning of rare just is the likability you're going to see it in
• 1:29:29
  the deck. So most rare cards are typically what kind of like niche things
• 1:29:33
  that sometimes make a difference. That was the original was originally they had gone
• 1:29:39
  away from that because I think originally, like originally like they wanted power cards
• 1:29:44
  to be like hints. They had the you had the isolated one of commons,
• 1:29:50
  like that's why we saw live reaccess all over the place because it was
• 1:29:54
  at common but triggered at one or limited at one, just like bait and
• 1:29:58
  switched like that was one of my favoravorite parts of the original Code of Set
• 1:30:01
  is that like most of the houses, because they always hated rob had like
• 1:30:06
  one card that there could only be one of, but you saw it in
• 1:30:09
  common. It made a difference, and it generally was game game altering until
• 1:30:15
  they nerve two of them. So, okay, is this the first elemental
• 1:30:23
  I am bade good stuff, but I don't remember seeing before. I do
• 1:30:27
  not I am not aware of an elemental? Could we be getting it mental
• 1:30:31
  in each house? Generally pretty good at that too. I would like to
• 1:30:35
  see, like, you know, the the typical ones like the Captain Planet
• 1:30:39
  one. Sure that'd be fun, alright, but there are no other elementals
• 1:30:44
  currently. Let's get to the next move on, all right, next card
• 1:30:48
  up, Reckless. It is a brobnar action that is not the nameless.
• 1:30:54
  Sorry, don't be reckless with our card names. You said it wrong in
• 1:30:58
  the video too, that I really what did I say? Yes, reckless?
• 1:31:01
  Did I? Well? Yeah, recklessness is hard to say. Remember
• 1:31:06
  remember remember a casual loop. Anyway, I still have never heard anyone say
• 1:31:13
  the right name. You know here, we are all right, recklessness pip
• 1:31:20
  a number. Every time you play it enhanced, it gives you one pip
• 1:31:25
  of damage, one pip of discard scrap play each player, thank you?
• 1:31:32
  Anybody else you want to finish the card to no play, Each player discards
• 1:31:40
  three random cards from their hands, then draws three cards shiny. Well,
• 1:31:48
  well, well we totally miss more. Is this I think it is?
• 1:31:58
  This is good on the score because, first of all, it is at
• 1:32:04
  commons. You'll see multiple of these things. Is that a raw amber On
• 1:32:10
  it is putting two different pips in your deck, and discard, I think
• 1:32:13
  is probably the best pip that you can get in this set. I think
• 1:32:16
  discard is better than draw in a lot of ways as far as the way
• 1:32:20
  pips work, and furthermore at common So you're gonna see like twos and threes
• 1:32:27
  of this thing. Yeah, I guess it could be limited. But the
• 1:32:32
  fact that, like you go into a turn, most of the time you're
• 1:32:35
  going to play three or four brob narc cards. There we are starting to
• 1:32:41
  see more and more scrap hopefully not all at rare like we just talked about.
• 1:32:45
  So, like you go into your turn, you play your three cards,
• 1:32:47
  then you play recklessness, or you play your two cards, you play
• 1:32:50
  recklessness, you discard three random which means that's the rest of your hand.
• 1:32:55
  Two of those could have scrap effects, so you trigger the scrap effects.
• 1:33:00
  Do that, then we all draw our three cards and then most likely you're
• 1:33:02
  drawing back into more broad like this is one of the most efficient effective cards
• 1:33:08
  we've ever seen out of almost any house, especially Brobner Like brob is really
• 1:33:13
  bad at this type of thing. Typically, Sound the Horns is like the
• 1:33:15
  closest thing I've had, or hellafast, but this is like Halofast, not
• 1:33:21
  Helofast. It's hella fastlofast. If you've never played a deck with it,
• 1:33:28
  you might not know that it's this is disruption too. Yeah, and it's
• 1:33:33
  critical that this is also promo. Yeah, this is. And it's just
• 1:33:41
  like going no, no, don't do it, do me yes, and
• 1:33:45
  yeah, like that's chat saying right now it's oncommon, Like that is huge
• 1:33:49
  that the fact is this oncommon, Like it is somewhat sad if you get
• 1:33:53
  two in the end at the same time, but like that we've that's it's
• 1:33:57
  gonna It's like it's like eureka. But the yerks in general, people agree
• 1:34:02
  yerks are good cards. Now you get to select your cards you're discarding.
• 1:34:05
  But and this is random, but generally you were playing yorks in a way
• 1:34:10
  where you were trashing all your hand anyways and moving on right, because you
• 1:34:14
  play to play multiple cards from a thing, or you had a bunch of
• 1:34:17
  junk in your hand, you just want to get rid of it anyways,
• 1:34:19
  and this still does a good job of that. The only negative smaller and
• 1:34:26
  this is that like this is not a good first turn play. So like
• 1:34:30
  we've talked about that, like it's going to have like great cards to play
• 1:34:32
  when you're on the play. This is not that you do not typically want
• 1:34:36
  to do this on the first turn. What if I have scrap ability is
• 1:34:42
  not? Well, how much of the scrap abilities affect the field first turn?
• 1:34:48
  There's nothing on the field. Yeah, a lot of the scrap,
• 1:34:54
  Like, there are not many scrapabilities that say scrap gain and amber. It's
• 1:34:57
  scrap stunt a creature scrap, right, and if there's nothing on the board,
• 1:35:03
  it is that. But it could you don't know. Maybe yeah,
• 1:35:08
  maybe it's first player, first player if they're not Mulligan and it has that
• 1:35:13
  strength again we're like, oh, let's trash that plan you had. Yeah,
• 1:35:18
  I mean I don't think it's it's very situational. I think I need
• 1:35:24
  well, I don't. I don't think I think this card is like it's
• 1:35:28
  almost always good. Just yeah, it is is half a punk, yes
• 1:35:34
  that you don't have to just stop. Well, I wouldn't say it's half
• 1:35:40
  a punk because if your opponent has more than six cards at hand, punctual
• 1:35:43
  equilibrium still gets gets rid of that. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't do
• 1:35:47
  that, and yes, I think I think seeing this that common is important,
• 1:35:51
  but I think seeing it with the goal of this set to be able
• 1:35:57
  to manipulate the discard pile for yourself and your opponents is something that cannot be
• 1:36:01
  over this a draw, right, this can be like ha, and now
• 1:36:06
  you draw, So there, that's a good point. This can unhaunt somebody.
• 1:36:13
  Yeah, I mean like the fact that it has the pip just put
• 1:36:15
  it over the top where like it's yeah, triple and triple pips, triple
• 1:36:19
  things, and it's an effect that I rarely see me just saying I'm not
• 1:36:26
  gonna do this, but there could. This card does like punk which is
• 1:36:30
  also like a six point card right in the Z system. I think,
• 1:36:34
  yep, Like there are times where it does get discarded. You're just like,
• 1:36:39
  yep, nope, not punkin and you go on, right, But
• 1:36:44
  in general, I don't know. This one's really like the way this work
• 1:36:46
  has a pip too, Like it's gonna be really rare that this gets discarded.
• 1:36:51
  It really depends how much in a deck you could hit almost library access
• 1:36:56
  like turns if you get lucky in the draw. It depends how crazy comboy
• 1:37:00
  this stuff is and that's yeah, and that's nice that they didn't say if
• 1:37:03
  you discard less than three cards, you draw us in three cards or sometimes
• 1:37:08
  straight up like because like even going into a turn where you like flush so
• 1:37:11
  you have like five brobnar like it's card cards were card reckless, discard one,
• 1:37:15
  draw three like that's an amazing turn, Like right, hopefully turn one
• 1:37:18
  or two more Bronar cards and got a ton of efficiency. Yeah, and
• 1:37:24
  brob now traditionally never had efficiency. So this this help there selling the horns,
• 1:37:30
  which is actually a decent card, like that is a good Maybe maybe
• 1:37:33
  that is the actual downside of this card is it's in brobn in this set,
• 1:37:41
  which we don't know if that's gonna be. We don't know it's gonna
• 1:37:44
  be woe Brob. Now it could be. Yeah, I mean we discussed
• 1:37:49
  that one that we found, like that combo is actually pretty fun. I
• 1:37:54
  mean like Beachtock has been spoiled and bean stock is suck is fire, but
• 1:37:59
  that's insane. Like that's another one, like put that ship on common and
• 1:38:02
  make it let's go. I want to see that's I think that I think
• 1:38:09
  that could have been an uncommon but guys like always common La is busted.
• 1:38:14
  Weir games all the time, even in the woe world in metaw La.
• 1:38:19
  Now like beanstock and things coming in ready and being able to search them means
• 1:38:25
  you could never have to leave that house. Sounds great. That sounds like
• 1:38:30
  most woe des Okay, I might need that level of power to go,
• 1:38:34
  right. I still want a card that lets me look at my opponent's hand
• 1:38:38
  and choose a card to discard. Yeah, this was like range almost like
• 1:38:43
  we have one more than that. Yeah, Like I wanted this to be
• 1:38:49
  like look at your opponent's hand and choose three cards to discard, maybe a
• 1:38:53
  little strong. Lookie just wants card that says your opponent discards her hand.
• 1:39:00
  What is it? Where? Where is that card? I mean like you
• 1:39:05
  can find a way to like reap loop on ToxS and that's a that's a
• 1:39:09
  thing. Yeah, I mean it is, but not really either way.
• 1:39:14
  That is our spoilers. We've already gone long. Yeah, this is true.
• 1:39:18
  I still got to get this out. So Willis was dead, that's
• 1:39:23
  a that's another spoiler. We haven't even hit two hours rookie numbers, as
• 1:39:27
  you guys say, for a show that tries to keep it to an hour.
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  No, that's only that's only one person trying to do that to e.
• 1:39:35
  Walk doesn't like it's going along either. Yeah. Three, she pass
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  to go to bed because he's old man. Old. Well, that's only
• 1:39:43
  if you guys are being boring, which tonight was not boring. Tonight you
• 1:39:46
  did most of the rant. I played no games of KeyForge. Yeah,
• 1:39:51
  because you were you were busy complaining. Yep, that's because there was something
• 1:39:57
  we're talking about. Yeah, I mean this is true. It's it's been
• 1:40:00
  a while since we've have some some juicy stuff. I think Dras did have
• 1:40:04
  one great idea after the bad idea of the the key whatever key assaulter,
• 1:40:14
  the key key assault kit. Like, if they add that, I will
• 1:40:16
  back that. I'm waiting for the community. I would be down for that.
• 1:40:23
  First degree I'm not too interested in. But second degree is, well
• 1:40:26
  that's what that's where the good stuff is. Second degree key assault. Yeah.
• 1:40:31
  I might be that one. Yeah, I just I'd like to see
• 1:40:34
  something. Let me you know, I we talk about that you want the
• 1:40:40
  people to be getting with the game stores to get them in, but the
• 1:40:45
  problem is there's nothing bringing the people to the game stores. So it's chicken
• 1:40:47
  her egg. Yeah, e walk when they make it so you can add
• 1:40:53
  on pretty white decks or whatever they're gonna be. I'll I'll throw you some
• 1:40:57
  money because you're gonna have to get me some Do you want some of them?
• 1:41:01
  Got you? Because I'm gonna still take care of our community. That's
• 1:41:04
  again, that's why I'm here. I love our community. You're not taking
• 1:41:08
  care of the community, though you're taking care of gg if he wants them,
• 1:41:15
  he needs a book. Our community is right now, five of us.
• 1:41:18
  It used to be twelve. We used to have the higher numbers store
• 1:41:21
  one another pandemic happened, fine, but I enjoy five to six people who
• 1:41:27
  are coming out. It's a great group. I enjoy when I can go
• 1:41:30
  to the US. Mister perfect he wasn't around before. Yeah he was,
• 1:41:36
  wasn't he? No, he was not a pre PAM. I think he
• 1:41:41
  moved to the area pandemic time. It would be my guest, but I
• 1:41:45
  don't know. I don't know his backstory. And yes, sitcoms and joins
• 1:41:47
  us now because there are no other stores running anything, which is crazy.
• 1:41:54
  She's in Illinois right by Chicago. No, we are. We have Chicago,
• 1:41:59
  Milwaukee and there is one store, two and a half stores running stuff
• 1:42:04
  there. There is one in Chicago that runs once a month. The House
• 1:42:08
  has a store they run something that occasionally. And then there's us. We
• 1:42:15
  have eleventy billion people. Eleventy billion. Huh, that's a number. That's
• 1:42:21
  a fake number. That's how you make fake numbers. Oh, a lot
• 1:42:25
  of people taking taking notes on how to make fake numbers. Got it eleven?
• 1:42:30
  That's the d billion. But that's gonna do it for us this weeknight.
• 1:42:33
  Again, thank you to GG for giving us the giving us the spoiler
• 1:42:39
  cards. Make sure you go check out the YouTube video. Make sure you
• 1:42:43
  check out the game found back if you so desire? What else? Somebody
• 1:42:46
  forgetting? What do we got? We got worlds, the worlds. We're
• 1:42:49
  gonna have a great there in a few weeks. Everally is Everybody's coming but
• 1:42:56
  suddenly because Suddenly is a wuss, not as much as it was. Southerly
• 1:43:02
  has family and their family to the event. Brother. His brother is going
• 1:43:11
  to be around for a long time. KFC two extra Crispy is only once.
• 1:43:15
  Family is one of those three demons, like to key Forge, is
• 1:43:21
  your family going to be their z No, He's like that no, but
• 1:43:30
  we'll see y'all there. Anything else, What did I miss? Did I
• 1:43:34
  miss anything? We still Wednesday and Sunday nights online, so you can still
• 1:43:41
  play key Forge online with us. That's still That is still fun and happened.
• 1:43:48
  Yep, it's weird, all right. With that being said, we'll
• 1:43:54
  see y'all next week. Happy and everyone, take me a card? Do
• 1:44:01
  it? You love the game supported? Yeah? The streams change and the
• 1:44:08
  most since we have range them. I can't breaking my spells. Think Alad,
• 1:44:15
  think of Night Loud, myself focused on the timehow I'm losing. Never
• 1:44:27
  mint it. Gotta make a trust, kind of push it to the limit.
• 1:44:30
  Never felt better. Never make it an apology. I'm exactly who I
• 1:44:35
  want to bride.