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Rugby Direct - Episode 189 · Rugby Direct

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Exis Solutions, celebrating twenty
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Speaker 2: five years in business. We are in Chicago still Elliott
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Speaker 2: Smith with me Liam Napier as we mop up the
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Speaker 2: All Blacks win recording on a beautiful Sunday morning. There's
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Speaker 2: some sort of marathon going on in the street around us.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've had a look or joined
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Speaker 2: in for it. We sort of five k or something
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Speaker 2: like that. But you know, the Daylight Savings ended here.
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Speaker 2: But it's been been a great week in Chicago, and
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Speaker 2: even bitter week for the All Blacks, Liam, who emerge
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Speaker 2: twenty six to thirteen winners. Of course, over Ireland wasn't perfect,
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Speaker 2: and for sixty minutes it was looking fairly dire in
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Speaker 2: terms of the performance but also a spectacle in many regards.
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Speaker 2: But the All Blacks kicked home in the last twenty
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Speaker 2: minutes with a really good last quarter performance that maybe
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Speaker 2: you know, even might even be the best twenty minutes
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Speaker 2: of the Scott Robertson era, to be honest. So top
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Speaker 2: line thoughts, what did you make of the Soldier Field
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Speaker 2: game for the All Blacks.
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Speaker 3: Well, the final impression you have to is last thing,
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Speaker 3: isn't it the way the All Blacks finished that game
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Speaker 3: scoring three tries It could have been four but for
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Speaker 3: a four pass. So they really dismantled Ireland and that
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Speaker 3: last quarter came over the top of them. And from
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Speaker 3: a fitness perspective as well, I'm not sure if the
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Speaker 3: red card had a factor there. Maybe Ireland coming in cold.
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Speaker 3: I think the All Blacks pre match were confident that
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Speaker 3: they were going to have superior fitness and that certain
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Speaker 3: showed prior to that. I've got to be honest, I
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Speaker 3: did not see that last quarter coming. The All Blacks
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Speaker 3: were really erratic, lots of erarors. I think at one
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Speaker 3: point they conceded ten straight penalties. They were getting penalized
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Speaker 3: for backchat at one point, and nothing was really going right.
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Speaker 3: I know they had a number of injury, setbacks and disruptions,
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Speaker 3: but it was I was sitting there thinking, this is
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Speaker 3: their tenth tests of the year. They've had a week
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Speaker 3: and a half to prepare for this game. Island and
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Speaker 3: a crimlin and cold, and yet it's the All Black set.
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Speaker 3: Looked like they've been stuck in the garage too long.
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Speaker 2: But your it's not like Ireland looked any better. In
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Speaker 2: all honesty, No they didn't. And for that sixty minutes,
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Speaker 2: perhaps a better team would have taken advantage of the
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Speaker 2: All Blacks, you know, not being able to stringk phases together,
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Speaker 2: conceding a number of penalties. But Islands looked cold. They
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Speaker 2: looked old. I thought at times, so a lot of
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Speaker 2: those players and lacked any ingenuity in chums in terms
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Speaker 2: of trying to attack the All Blacks. So take fo
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Speaker 2: long scores in the first half, but really it never
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Speaker 2: felt like I threatened too often after that. In all honesty,
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Speaker 2: they managed to accumulate a couple of penalties. But I
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Speaker 2: thought Islands didn't take advantage of what the All Blacks
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Speaker 2: were serving up. No they didn't.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you got to give them credit for managing
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Speaker 3: a twenty minute period one man short. They won that
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Speaker 3: They're up ten to seven at halftime. I think if
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Speaker 3: we deal with that red card in the first instance,
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Speaker 3: I thought it was harsh. Yep, it was a extremely
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Speaker 3: poorly handled. It took I don't know how long, but
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Speaker 3: the first half took fifty two minutes. And that was
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Speaker 3: a big factory when you can just give a yellow
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Speaker 3: card and decided off the field. I couldn't believe how
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Speaker 3: long it took. They couldn't show the replay on the
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Speaker 3: big screen. They went off and did a var football style.
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Speaker 3: It was a shambles get into that decision. And I
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Speaker 3: thought it was harsh. It was a forward pass. Tug
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Speaker 3: Burn had no time to react. There wasn't a lot
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Speaker 3: of force involved. There's certainly no intents. I understand the
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Speaker 3: rules around shot shoulder to the head, but I thought
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Speaker 3: yellow car would would have been sufficient. But you are right,
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Speaker 3: Islands were largely predictable. They didn't throw a great deal
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Speaker 3: of surprises at the All Blacks. Wasn't really any special
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Speaker 3: plays up their sleeve. And yeah, I guess the narrative
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Speaker 3: around Islands being tired, being old, been on the decline
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Speaker 3: after going from first to third, and the six Nations
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Speaker 3: came to the fore, didn't they, Because as you say,
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Speaker 3: you know, the All Blacks were decidedly poor and Ireland
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Speaker 3: did not take advantage of that. Jack Crowley missed one
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Speaker 3: penalties too that would have put Island up by nine points.
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Speaker 3: Maybe that would have had a bit more scoreboard pressure,
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Speaker 3: but they just they never really could put their foot
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Speaker 3: on the throat, and the All Blacks were making so
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Speaker 3: many eras.
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Speaker 2: They stayed in the fight in spite of themselves at
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Speaker 2: many times that they fold. They couldn't string phases together,
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Speaker 2: were conceding penalties, weren't building pressure and able to enter
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Speaker 2: the Irish twenty two often enough until that sixty minute
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Speaker 2: mark when they basically just took off into the stratosphere
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Speaker 2: on that red card. I think it signified in many
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Speaker 2: ways I'm always the one the troubles that Rugby's got.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that was a fastically long wait to reach
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Speaker 2: the yellow card threshold decision. Now there was a chick
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Speaker 2: check call from Ian ten piece to TMO. They couldn't
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Speaker 2: get it on the big screen at that point. Peerbrew
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Speaker 2: Sitter is on field referee. He needs to take some
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Speaker 2: ownership and go, okay, we're gonna get it the big screen.
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Speaker 2: What's your advice? What's your advice to me? Is it
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Speaker 2: a yellow card? Bang? Done? Wasted so much time? Get
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Speaker 2: on with it. Yeah, and they were trying to get
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Speaker 2: this on the big screen, get that fix in the background.
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Speaker 2: This is a spectacle, This is entertainment, and for too
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Speaker 2: many games rugby wastes its time and legallyes that is
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Speaker 2: not interesting to the spectators who have already made up
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Speaker 2: their own minds having seen the play, probably at home.
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Speaker 2: And then you look at the yellow card red card itself.
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Speaker 2: What are we doing here? There's nothing that Tiger Boone
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Speaker 2: could do to change his line to effect a lower
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Speaker 2: tackle on Boden Barrett. It was a four parts from
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Speaker 2: regard to Barrett. I thought as well, so that should
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Speaker 2: mitigate what happens after it. And to a man, I've
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Speaker 2: not seen virtually anyone that suggests that it should be
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Speaker 2: a red card, and Rugby just got a tell once again,
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Speaker 2: tangled and knots around trying to avoid lawsuits rather than
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Speaker 2: actually playing the game that matters on the field at
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Speaker 2: that point in time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the Southern hemisphere is much better
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Speaker 3: at for shading with some form of common sense around
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Speaker 3: these things. And there is a massive difference between a
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Speaker 3: rugby incidents and foul play, and this was not really
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Speaker 3: foul play, as you say it was a split second
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Speaker 3: reactionary decision. He's basically he barely tackled him. He's just
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Speaker 3: he's up, Boden runs into him and yeah, there's a
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Speaker 3: bit of contact with the shoulder, but there's no force involved.
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Speaker 3: So just have a bit of common sense and put
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Speaker 3: it in a rugby lens rather than trying to, you know,
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Speaker 3: appease world rugby. And yeah, the head needs to be protected,
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Speaker 3: but this is a fast moving contact sports and you
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Speaker 3: do need to preserve the spectacle and just have a
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Speaker 3: bit of common stay.
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Speaker 2: I thought Paid lost control of their game from that
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Speaker 2: point onwards, and kind of his decision making I thought
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Speaker 2: was very bizarre at times. In the first half he
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Speaker 2: was happy to award free kicks at scrum time, and
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Speaker 2: then the second half he wasn't. He was resetting, reseitting, reseitting,
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Speaker 2: and the game had aready gone on lengthy at that point,
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Speaker 2: but he decided basically change his mind at halftime, going
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Speaker 2: from free kick can go, I'm not reseitting that to resetting. Oh.
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Speaker 2: I thought it was a pretty poor performance from the referee.
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Speaker 2: What if the All Blacks do well in that last
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Speaker 2: twenty minutes to be able to dismantle Island like they
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Speaker 2: did Limb.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot that goes into it, but I
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Speaker 3: think first and foremost impact from the bench, Well, when
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Speaker 3: you look at it in its entirety, you had lestifying
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Speaker 3: and knock who come on about the eighteenth sixteenth, eighteenth
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Speaker 3: minute for Jordy Barrett and make an immediate impression by
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Speaker 3: beating Gary Ringrose offloading Will Jordan to set up Artist
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Speaker 3: Severe's try. So I thought he was really good here.
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Speaker 3: Josh Lord come on in the third minute and play
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Speaker 3: seventy seven minutes. Can't remember the last time he did that.
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Speaker 3: The All Blackers line out struggled on their own ball,
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Speaker 3: but they dismantled Island's lineup, So a big tick I
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Speaker 3: think for Josh Lord's and then later in the match
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Speaker 3: Wallace the tt Hue in his dynamic ball carrying to
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Speaker 3: Mighty Williams overpowering the Irish scrum. I thought Pasilio Tossi
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Speaker 3: is a big mover in recent times for the All
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Speaker 3: Blacks and Damian McKenzie providing some real attacking sparks. So
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Speaker 3: there's been some real concerns around the world where the
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Speaker 3: All Blacks have finished games. But the bench had a
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Speaker 3: massive impact, and I think you have to give them
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Speaker 3: credit for remaining composed and being courageous in the way
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Speaker 3: they played. They I felt the All Blacks when it
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Speaker 3: wasn't going well, I was sort of going side to
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Speaker 3: side and quite lateral. They I think they were a
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Speaker 3: lot more direct and that ball carrying punch had a
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Speaker 3: massive impact. It freed up a lot of space, allowed
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Speaker 3: them to go wide, and they finished really well. It
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Speaker 3: was really clinical. So there's a number of factors there,
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Speaker 3: and it's great to see because Blecks have been under
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Speaker 3: pressure and they have really struggled in those final quarters,
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Speaker 3: probably for the entirety of Robertson's reign, really you have.
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Speaker 2: It's been an ongoing issue and it did It's one game,
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Speaker 2: but it feels like that was the blueprint for them
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Speaker 2: going forward. And I suppose immediately out of that, you go,
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Speaker 2: do we move lestifying a kookle into the starting side?
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Speaker 2: Do you you know, does watch the TV put pressure
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Speaker 2: on Peter Luckeye or sign Parker go back into that pack.
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Speaker 2: For me, I kind of want to see that bench
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Speaker 2: roll out again and have sixteen to twenty three own
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Speaker 2: that role. You aren't always going to be able to
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Speaker 2: roll out those same seven that's right, eight players. But
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Speaker 2: I kind of think that if you can develop a bench,
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Speaker 2: which is what Scott Robertson was trying to do last
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Speaker 2: year and didn't really get to it, then you can
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Speaker 2: do what we saw from the All Blacks in that
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Speaker 2: last twenty And that's what the hallmark of that All
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Speaker 2: Blacks era from twenty eleven to twenty sixteen was is
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Speaker 2: that they would have a very strong bench and absolutely
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Speaker 2: demolish you in the last twenty twenty five minutes of games.
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Speaker 2: And that's what they prided themselves on. We haven't really
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Speaker 2: seen that over to be honest, and that includes that
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Speaker 2: the Foster and the latter part of the Hanson era
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Speaker 2: that didn't really see that. So we hasten to be
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Speaker 2: too really going fine and look who must start, But
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Speaker 2: I think he's got to play a role at some
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Speaker 2: point in the match in the eighty he's got to
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Speaker 2: be in that team.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll point up there about the depth, So
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Speaker 3: the bench comes back to depth. Then that's probably been
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Speaker 3: whittled away. You know, when Neil Blacks are at their
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Speaker 3: peak on the hands, they had a phenomenal bench they're
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Speaker 3: bringing off you know, you think about the twenty fifteen
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Speaker 3: World Cut, Boden barretton and these sort of guys off
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Speaker 3: off the bench, So what a luxury to have. And
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Speaker 3: I guess Scott Robinson is starting to try and build
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Speaker 3: that four four four depth. It's certainly going to be
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Speaker 3: tested on this tour with guys like Jordi Barrett and
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Speaker 3: Scott Barrett already going down. You're already missing to provide
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Speaker 3: Patrick two plot Tyro Lomax, So it was a big tick.
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Speaker 3: Your point about, yeah, whether to start or keep wise
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Speaker 3: on the bench is very pertinent and an interesting one because, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we've seen the priority put on benches and the impact
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Speaker 3: in this match that it can have. Fining a nook.
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Speaker 3: You probably will go and to start at the center
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Speaker 3: this week, you'd suspect with Quinn switching to second five,
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Speaker 3: So maybe Rico comes onto the bench and maybe that
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Speaker 3: mitigates the impact somewhat. I think there's a real question about, well,
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Speaker 3: a couple of points I'll throw to you, Walla. I'd
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Speaker 3: probably like to see him start. I'm not sold on
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Speaker 3: Simon Parker. I thought he was reasonably underwhelming or anonymous
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Speaker 3: in this game, and I think we have seen that.
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Speaker 3: I understand the balance that you want from your loose
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Speaker 3: forward Traier, but I think you have Titi, Lackeye and
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Speaker 3: Ardi that's pretty dynamic. And the other question McKenzie, I
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Speaker 3: think him and Boden Barratt combined really well. And so
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Speaker 3: do you start McKenzie at fullback and have Will Jordan
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Speaker 3: on the right wing. There these are things that are
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Speaker 3: in the mix. But then it's back to your question
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Speaker 3: about does that less than the impact of the bench.
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Speaker 2: I think you can look at both of those. So
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Speaker 2: t I think I made the point last week on
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Speaker 2: the podcast is that he's had a tough year with
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Speaker 2: injury and it might be better getting thirty minute blocks
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Speaker 2: out of him, and obviously came on before halftime when
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Speaker 2: Parker went off with the HIA as well getting a
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Speaker 2: blockout of him in a game and not having to
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Speaker 2: suggest he plays eighty minutes for the rest of the
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Speaker 2: year and get into a super ruggye preseason. So that
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Speaker 2: may be the better outcome for these three matches. But
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Speaker 2: I agree around Parker is that you're still waiting for
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Speaker 2: him to have that breakout test match. He's been solid,
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Speaker 2: He's very good defensively, makes a lot of impactful tackles.
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Speaker 2: But there are works of traditionally liked having someone that
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Speaker 2: could do both sides of the ball from the blindside flank,
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Speaker 2: and we're probably not seeing that from Parker at the
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Speaker 2: moment on the back line thing like, I think he
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Speaker 2: could roll that out in a game. Also, I don't
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Speaker 2: know they'd be the first choice combination. You could easily
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Speaker 2: move will Jordan to the right wings. He played the
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Speaker 2: majority of his Test career there. Mackenzie at full back
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Speaker 2: and Bowden Barrett at ten. That's the combination I think
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Speaker 2: they went with in Wellington when they got belted by
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Speaker 2: South Africa. I'm not saying that was responsible on that night,
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Speaker 2: but I think you're right, Barrett McKenzie work well together.
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Speaker 2: But is it a symptom of McKenzie being able to
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Speaker 2: take on tied defenders in the last stage in the match? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Rather than can he do that at minute one? Can
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Speaker 2: they combine like that from minute one to minute eighty?
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Speaker 2: Can they better do it in minutes fifty five to
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Speaker 2: eighty and try and take the game away from the
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Speaker 2: opposition there. So it's a fascinating question. I think find
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Speaker 2: a nook who has to be in the match Day
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Speaker 2: twenty three somewhere and on the right wing, Leroy Carter
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Speaker 2: probably didn't have who was the first test students who
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Speaker 2: are a try actually but didn't have a lot of
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Speaker 2: say in that game. I made the point last night
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Speaker 2: that I thought the field was too narrow for someone
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Speaker 2: like Litroy Card. It'd actually get too much ball. So
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Speaker 2: interesting to see what they do as they lead into
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Speaker 2: Scotland this week.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're but limited. I don't expect to
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Speaker 3: see too many changes. I think they're prioritizing this Grand Slam.
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Speaker 3: You know, Scott Robertson needs a successful tour to hang
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Speaker 3: his head on, and a Grand Slam would certainly be that.
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Speaker 3: And look, Scotland a very competitive team, particularly at home.
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Speaker 3: They've knocked over England a lot in recent years. At Murrayfield.
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Speaker 3: They are probably more dynamic in their attacking play than
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Speaker 3: a lot of the teams up North and Russell are
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Speaker 3: very inventive, attacking minded first five and that bat Irish.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 3: The Scotland back line in particular has some threats right
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Speaker 3: across the park there. I don't think they'll be able
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Speaker 3: to match the All Blacks up front. I think that's
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Speaker 3: where the All Blacks will come for them, but I
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Speaker 3: think we'll see largely sticking to that team, with the
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Speaker 3: exception of the injuries. What do you make of Quinti
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Speaker 3: pier Lester defying Anoku midfield combination the Bash brothers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind it. Actually, I don't know that
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Speaker 2: it'd be a first choice combination, but I'm intrigued to
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Speaker 2: see how it goes. And we saw it for a
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Speaker 2: large deal of that game and neither of them look
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Speaker 2: particularly out of place. Quinte Paie is comfortable at second five,
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Speaker 2: He's played majority he was rugby there, fighting Anku has
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Speaker 2: spent the last two or three years at Tulon playing
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Speaker 2: in that position as well. I think it's worth a
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Speaker 2: going And you look at who they're probably not going
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Speaker 2: to match up against for Scotland this week, you got
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Speaker 2: sort who they're probably coming up against. I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: who they'll what combination they'll go with the outside. They've
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Speaker 2: got a number of options there, but that might be
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Speaker 2: the option. The horses to courses approach at the all
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Speaker 2: Blacks make for this test matches, they go, this is
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Speaker 2: the combination we go go with as probably the path
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Speaker 2: of least disruption you could bring in a Rico Yuani
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Speaker 2: potentially or Antonine Brown who's adept at twelve or thirteen played.
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Speaker 2: Billy Proctor started seven Tests this year at center. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it didn't take his chance and I don't think you
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Speaker 2: could argue with the change that they've made there. No,
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Speaker 2: so instantly we're seeing the impact that to players made
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Speaker 2: and fighting anuku. So surely for this Test match in particular,
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Speaker 2: if we just viewed in isolation that you've got to
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Speaker 2: go with that combination, don't.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. And look, I've been in pre spy
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Speaker 3: a Leicester. He's only played two Tests in two years
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Speaker 3: that since coming back from two years in France, and
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Speaker 3: I think this would be his first start for the
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Speaker 3: All Blacks at center. He's pretty much played on the wing.
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Speaker 3: But I've talked to him about this and he's fairly
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Speaker 3: open about the fact that he's a midfielder now first
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Speaker 3: and foremost, and I think that's where his strengths lies
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Speaker 3: all right, with his ball carrying, with his power is offloading.
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Speaker 3: I think from center there's probably still a question about
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Speaker 3: his distribution. But on the wing, I think he's a
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Speaker 3: bit wasted, doesn't see as much ball and would probably
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Speaker 3: be targeted under the high ball. So yeah, I'm very
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Speaker 3: intrigued to see him get a crack from the outset,
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Speaker 3: and I think he could be a really leath way
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Speaker 3: set because even if he's not busting the line, he
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Speaker 3: demands attention, so he's going to free up space elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're exactly only saw that break he
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Speaker 2: made to set up what ended up in an artist
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Speaker 2: ove of you try in the right wing corner. It's
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Speaker 2: soldier field as well. Scott Barrett with a laceration, as
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Speaker 2: Scott Robinson put it in the postmatch media conference, sounds
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Speaker 2: pretty nasty. Don't know the full effexes yet. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: the lot Davis in the next couple of days, but
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Speaker 2: probably unlikely to play against Scotland, you would think.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean without seeing it or
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Speaker 3: being told exactly, you don't know the extent of it,
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Speaker 3: but you think back to Tyro or Lomax at the
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Speaker 3: World Cup. I think it took him three weeks at
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Speaker 3: least to come right. So I did see a lot
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Speaker 3: of blood on Scott Bratt's leg and it's around the
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Speaker 3: knee area, which is a bit niggly because that's where
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Speaker 3: it bends. So he would have had to probably try
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Speaker 3: and keep that straight as you're blacks jetted.
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Speaker 2: Out on hopefully business class raises.
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Speaker 3: Jet has already put it last night from Chicago to
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Speaker 3: Edinburgh that the all blacks, what do we Sunday morning
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Speaker 3: in Chicago? They already in Edinburgh. So that will allow
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Speaker 3: him to have a four weeks preparation. But yeah, big
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Speaker 3: setback for Scott brat this. I think that's a fourth
19:07
Speaker 3: chest he's missed this year. So from getting some form
19:11
Speaker 3: of flow and fluidness into his game, it's it's he's
19:16
Speaker 3: had a lot of disruptions and Ardie that the captaincy
19:21
Speaker 3: is becoming quite interchangeable as well.
19:22
Speaker 2: It is, yeah, and I suspect will do it against Scotland.
19:25
Speaker 2: This week we saw Fabi and Holland who's only twenty three,
19:29
Speaker 2: only twenty three. In October, Josh Lord combined twenty three
19:34
Speaker 2: years old twenty four year old Josh Lord. Holland had
19:37
Speaker 2: played nineties matches going into yesterday's game. Lord had played
19:40
Speaker 2: eight over a four year period and they were forced
19:43
Speaker 2: to combine them. It wasn't a perfect line out the thing.
19:45
Speaker 2: They had a few steals, not straight throws et cetera,
19:49
Speaker 2: et cetera.
19:50
Speaker 3: I think the Island's line operated at sixty nine percent
19:54
Speaker 3: in all Blacks seventy five, So yeah, not a great
19:57
Speaker 3: day for reason.
19:58
Speaker 2: Not great, definitely not, but the All Blacks found like
20:00
Speaker 2: they pinched more and probably those stats reflect that than
20:03
Speaker 2: Ireland was able to get off them in the end.
20:05
Speaker 2: And for a while now it's been sort of Josh Lord,
20:09
Speaker 2: what is he in the All Black squad? Forward hasn't
20:12
Speaker 2: played a lot of rugby really, including at chiefs level
20:15
Speaker 2: NPC level through his young career. Well wouldn't level it
20:19
Speaker 2: a coming of age performance, but there were signs that
20:21
Speaker 2: you go, okay, I can see why he's been a
20:24
Speaker 2: part of this All Black squad across a four year
20:27
Speaker 2: period and what he's potentially able to do. He was
20:30
Speaker 2: calling the line out, so as soon as he came
20:31
Speaker 2: on it's a big leadership role for someone like him
20:34
Speaker 2: who's actually got less test experience. In Fabian Holland, I
20:38
Speaker 2: thought it was convincing outing from Josh Lord that you go, okay,
20:42
Speaker 2: we can see what you're doing there.
20:43
Speaker 3: It was easily his biggest contribution to the All Blacks.
20:47
Speaker 3: So I remember, I'm I think starting in Argentina one
20:50
Speaker 3: test a couple of years ago, and that was his
20:55
Speaker 3: last real impression in my mind anyway. So yeah, to
20:58
Speaker 3: come off three minutes and as you say, call the
21:00
Speaker 3: line out, steal a bit of ball, be prominent around
21:03
Speaker 3: the park. It was a breakout performance for him and
21:07
Speaker 3: he'll have to go again next He look like is
21:09
Speaker 3: pretty bruised up on the side of his face. So
21:13
Speaker 3: the All Black's locking depth is going to be seriously tested.
21:16
Speaker 3: It's akin to the half back ranks earlier this year
21:19
Speaker 3: when they were forced to go five and sixty. You're
21:21
Speaker 3: probably gonna have a situation where Sam Dowry comes onto
21:24
Speaker 3: the bench. They've got Summer Penny female who can potentially
21:28
Speaker 3: cover lock but Asiah Walker, Leah Wed and Arkoy both
21:35
Speaker 3: didn't go on the All Blacks fifteen tour, so there's
21:38
Speaker 3: a potential for Josh Berry or a Caleb Delaney to
21:42
Speaker 3: have to be called in as cover, depending on how
21:45
Speaker 3: bad Scott Barrett is.
21:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie Hannah was a Black call up to that
21:49
Speaker 2: tour as well for the All Blacks fifteen, which we'll
21:52
Speaker 2: get into in a wee moment or two, so they
21:55
Speaker 2: might have to get someone. I think They've got the
21:58
Speaker 2: England a side in Bath, so obviously they're going to
22:01
Speaker 2: be in the one continent this week and they can
22:03
Speaker 2: easily call in someone submission to see they pull into camp.
22:06
Speaker 3: Is it a concern that locking depth.
22:09
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think if they're going to
22:13
Speaker 2: get in a Josh Bury or a Caleb Delaty, I
22:16
Speaker 2: think they are underprepared for Test Rugby, no doubt about it.
22:19
Speaker 2: But similar to the halfback death, it's only a moment
22:22
Speaker 2: in time. I think the lock and depth is very,
22:23
Speaker 2: very good because when you add in a full strength
22:25
Speaker 2: to po Vi, Patrick, Toopolo who, Scott, Barrett, Fabi and
22:28
Speaker 2: holand Josh Lord five very good locks. So I don't
22:32
Speaker 2: think it's a concern. When you get to six seven,
22:36
Speaker 2: as the kids say, you're getting into the depth and
22:38
Speaker 2: you're not often having to go that deep. So I
22:41
Speaker 2: don't think it's a huge concern for me personally. No.
22:43
Speaker 3: I think you're right. It could be a concer. You
22:45
Speaker 3: get one more ding on this tour and you're starting
22:47
Speaker 3: to dig pretty deep, and we saw that with the
22:49
Speaker 3: half backs. But yeah, it's good for these guys to
22:53
Speaker 3: get that exposure and without knowing you would expect to
22:58
Speaker 3: see Scott Barrett push pretty hard to be available for
23:02
Speaker 3: that England Test, because it does feel like that's going
23:05
Speaker 3: to be the one to define this tour now.
23:07
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Speaker 2: for Rugby topics there myself debate them Liam. The success
23:49
Speaker 2: of the United States venture over the last week or
23:51
Speaker 2: so as we built into this test, the test match itself,
23:55
Speaker 2: the product, the fan fear around it, the event. What
23:58
Speaker 2: did you make of the Chicago Test?
24:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think it is a success. It was
24:04
Speaker 3: a we want to a function now. The night and
24:07
Speaker 3: heard the that they sold fifty thousand tickets in one
24:12
Speaker 3: day for this game and that was across was it
24:16
Speaker 3: thirty forty odd States?
24:17
Speaker 2: I thought it was all fifty from memory, I'm be wrong.
24:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I'm not sure it was actually
24:25
Speaker 3: was full yesterday. From my vantage point, it did look
24:28
Speaker 3: there were like there were a few empty seats. I
24:31
Speaker 3: heard that there were a number of all the tickets
24:34
Speaker 3: were sold, but I heard there were a number being scalped,
24:36
Speaker 3: which is beyond organizers' control. I think from a revenue perspective,
24:43
Speaker 3: this as apparently the All Blacks biggest gate taking because
24:48
Speaker 3: it's a sheered gate since the British and Irish Lions tour,
24:52
Speaker 3: so that's very significant. The coffers will be well stopped.
24:55
Speaker 3: They got around a number of major sponsors, They won
24:59
Speaker 3: the match. The spectacle itself, I think left a lot
25:02
Speaker 3: to be desired prior to that last twenty minutes, very
25:06
Speaker 3: stop start, very clunky, over officiated, not a great watch,
25:11
Speaker 3: but the All Blacks probably left a great impression by
25:15
Speaker 3: the way they finished that game, so I think a
25:17
Speaker 3: lot of boxes ticked. I think the players really enjoy
25:19
Speaker 3: coming here. They like America, they like going to the
25:21
Speaker 3: NBA and the Black Hawks. I think it's a very
25:25
Speaker 3: valuable experience and by the sounds, the All Black San
25:28
Speaker 3: Island plan to come here, if not every year. They're
25:31
Speaker 3: pretty close to it. Not necessarily to Chicago, but I
25:34
Speaker 3: think they will be back here, but certainly to the
25:36
Speaker 3: States and the lead up to the twenty thirty one
25:39
Speaker 3: World Cup.
25:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I'd say is it was a
25:41
Speaker 2: success and there was a lot of Irish jerseys around
25:43
Speaker 2: yesterday before the game, and a few All Blacks jerseys
25:46
Speaker 2: as well. It was, as you say, sell out even
25:49
Speaker 2: if it didn't appear, so it'd be good to see
25:53
Speaker 2: them go elsewhere. I know, Chicago's got the huge Irish
25:55
Speaker 2: population and diaspora, and that's why they come here. Soldier
26:00
Speaker 2: Field itself perhaps a little bit tired. The turf wasn't great.
26:05
Speaker 2: It's now the smallest NFL stadium I know. We saw
26:09
Speaker 2: last week. The city's narrowed down or put their hands
26:12
Speaker 2: up for World Cup games in twenty thirty one. Chicago's done.
26:15
Speaker 2: So they are in the proceeds of trying to build
26:17
Speaker 2: a new stadium for the Chicago Beers. It's going to
26:20
Speaker 2: cost about three billion dollars. I think I read somewhere
26:22
Speaker 2: last week there's a bit of haggling over who exactly
26:25
Speaker 2: is going to pay for it, which sounds very familiar
26:27
Speaker 2: to us. That have followed stadium debacles in New Zealand.
26:30
Speaker 2: But I almost think they need to move it elsewhere
26:34
Speaker 2: because I done Chicago. They've done two games, and it
26:36
Speaker 2: was a bit of talk about a trilogy or rematch
26:38
Speaker 2: last week, but in Chicago's clearly embraced it, and the
26:41
Speaker 2: Sports Commission function that we went to. We're very excited
26:45
Speaker 2: to have them here, but I think they ahead of
26:47
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one. If this is going to work, they
26:49
Speaker 2: need to move elsewhere. They were talking about Boston initially
26:52
Speaker 2: for this game didn't work out because San Francisco could
26:57
Speaker 2: go to the Narol sort of latched onto Vegas, but
27:00
Speaker 2: you could go.
27:00
Speaker 3: There've been talk about the Pumas and Miami.
27:03
Speaker 2: Miami, New York. Potentially there are other places you can go.
27:05
Speaker 2: I mean, New York's got an Irish population as well,
27:07
Speaker 2: if you want to do that. All Blacks Island thing
27:09
Speaker 2: over again, and maybe you know the Fourth Test and
27:13
Speaker 2: that Rugby's greatest rivalry could end up here next year.
27:16
Speaker 2: As yet, you just don't know, so I would encourage
27:19
Speaker 2: them to move. I mean, I've loved the time in Chicago,
27:22
Speaker 2: but you can't just concentrate in Chicago. If you're going
27:24
Speaker 2: to make this work.
27:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, And I guess it works from an
27:28
Speaker 3: all Black perspective because they have a lot of major
27:31
Speaker 3: sponsors based here, right, So that's probably another driver for them.
27:35
Speaker 3: But the goal for rugby is I think people will
27:40
Speaker 3: tell you that if you can get one percent of
27:42
Speaker 3: the American market that you have cracked it. Yeah, and
27:45
Speaker 3: so you're right. This is one city, one state, And
27:51
Speaker 3: if you're actually going to make a real impression, which
27:53
Speaker 3: I think any sport outside the American traditional sports is
27:59
Speaker 3: incredibly hard to do, then you do need to shift around.
28:02
Speaker 2: Spread the gospel. Topic Number two the All Blacks fifteen
28:06
Speaker 2: playing the Barbarians, which was very very much a sort
28:09
Speaker 2: of South African sort of side plus bred Weather. I
28:12
Speaker 2: know you saw a fear bit of this game. I
28:13
Speaker 2: didn't see as much. What did you make of the
28:15
Speaker 2: All Blacks fifteen performance?
28:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. The Babba stack with Sapha's they scored
28:19
Speaker 3: some rolling more tries are up nineteen Neil early and
28:21
Speaker 3: I thought, oh shit, this is not going well.
28:25
Speaker 2: But the All Blacks.
28:26
Speaker 3: Fifteen, I think they scored thirty three unanswered points. So
28:30
Speaker 3: came back into that match really well. A good start
28:33
Speaker 3: to their three match tour. I was really impressed by
28:35
Speaker 3: Caleb Tongueytao Highlands' aucornd flyer on the on the wing.
28:41
Speaker 3: He was perhaps a wee bit fortunate with his first try,
28:44
Speaker 3: just had his fingers on the ball. Looked like he
28:47
Speaker 3: pretty much dropped it to dive over the line. Sun
28:49
Speaker 3: as many many coaches have said over the years, but
28:53
Speaker 3: his pace as a Leith said, I think he's deserving
28:56
Speaker 3: of a place in this All Black team. Now there's
29:00
Speaker 3: an argument he's better off playing these All Blacks fifteen
29:03
Speaker 3: games getting exposure.
29:06
Speaker 2: I was.
29:06
Speaker 3: I think that the loose forwards played well Dalton Papa,
29:09
Speaker 3: Lee Year and and others, and the halfbacks Xavier Row
29:14
Speaker 3: and Kyle Preston. So yeah, really it's a good start
29:17
Speaker 3: to that tour and interesting to see how they build
29:20
Speaker 3: and rotates and whether you know, maybe a Reuben Love
29:23
Speaker 3: goes back and plays for that team in the coming
29:27
Speaker 3: weeks and others. Do you know, guys like Sevie Reese
29:31
Speaker 3: and Luke Jacobson, Anton Lenna Brown they could do some
29:35
Speaker 3: game time as well.
29:36
Speaker 2: They could do This might be the week to do so,
29:38
Speaker 2: potentially potentially for them if I think ten. None knows
29:41
Speaker 2: the tour I got out of the match.
29:42
Speaker 3: Yeah he was good as well. Yeah, he's a very
29:44
Speaker 3: silky player, you know, great kicking game as well as finishing.
29:48
Speaker 3: So I think Nick Evans and the commentary awarded him
29:52
Speaker 3: Man of the match. So nice to hear a Kiwi voice.
29:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the All Blacks looking for a tech coach,
29:56
Speaker 2: so maybe it was checking them out to see whether
29:58
Speaker 2: he is interested in that topic. Number two Tom on
30:01
Speaker 2: three Nather in the Final four England Australia. Well we'll
30:07
Speaker 2: talk about it for some of the other matches as well,
30:08
Speaker 2: but that was the probably the headline match outside all
30:11
Speaker 2: that island. From our perspective, England very very good. I
30:15
Speaker 2: thought twenty five points to seven. They stuck a stake
30:19
Speaker 2: through the heart of Australia. The Wallabies where I thought abysmal.
30:25
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, I only saw the first forty. You saw
30:27
Speaker 2: the second forty, so we'll combined now for some thoughts.
30:29
Speaker 2: But I didn't think Australia offered much on attack. Their
30:32
Speaker 2: one try came from a Harry Potter ninety five meter
30:35
Speaker 2: intercept and it was only what ten to seven a
30:38
Speaker 2: half time, But you felt England we're going to open
30:41
Speaker 2: this game up in the second spell, and they did
30:43
Speaker 2: in the latter part of the game. But I thought
30:46
Speaker 2: I've seen some mixed responses to the England performance, but
30:48
Speaker 2: I thought they were pretty good.
30:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I was overly impressed by England.
30:51
Speaker 3: They had I've gone back to George Ford at ten.
30:54
Speaker 3: Alex Mitchell kicked. I think England kick among the most
30:58
Speaker 3: teams in world rugby, something like one thousand meters per game.
31:02
Speaker 3: They scored one try off for Alex Mitchell box kick.
31:06
Speaker 3: But you're right, Australia were really underwhelming. Missing I think
31:09
Speaker 3: three players they couldn't get access to for their English
31:12
Speaker 3: clubs for this match, and it just starts starting to
31:17
Speaker 3: feel like the Wallabies are hitting the wall a bit.
31:19
Speaker 3: They've had the British and Irish lines tour, they've been
31:21
Speaker 3: out to South Africa, they've played the All Blacks twice
31:25
Speaker 3: and yeah, this was a pretty underwhelming performance. A good
31:28
Speaker 3: one for England, but I don't think it was a
31:30
Speaker 3: great one. They don't They're always hard to beat at Twickenham,
31:34
Speaker 3: but I don't think the way they're playing, it's pretty conservative,
31:38
Speaker 3: would strike fear through other teams, But when you compare
31:44
Speaker 3: them to Ireland to start that Northern tour on that
31:47
Speaker 3: sort of note, it's a notable victory.
31:50
Speaker 2: Well is there four losses in a rona for the Wallabies.
31:53
Speaker 3: Back to back to the All Blacks and Argentina. Yeah, yeah,
31:56
Speaker 3: I think they've won five of eleven this year. So
32:00
Speaker 3: for all the improvements that Joe Schmidt has made and
32:04
Speaker 3: how competitive they were early in the year, it's still
32:07
Speaker 3: a big task, isn't it.
32:08
Speaker 2: It certainly is Scotland warming up for the All Blacks
32:11
Speaker 2: with an eighty five nilwyn over the USA. Is that
32:14
Speaker 2: good preparation? Hard to know? It's a game. I guess
32:20
Speaker 2: they didn't have their entire first choice team out on
32:23
Speaker 2: the park, the USA going backwards that are raided knots,
32:26
Speaker 2: which is an overly encouraging head of twenty thirty one.
32:30
Speaker 2: And South Africa beating Japan and Wembley. Pretty performance from Japan.
32:35
Speaker 2: Sorry South Africa, but poor crowd weird this isdn't have
32:38
Speaker 2: it at Wimbley when there's All Backs fifteen going on
32:43
Speaker 2: across town. But more importantly England Australia at twicken them
32:46
Speaker 2: three rugby matches on in one day you could have
32:48
Speaker 2: had one of those on the Sunday, might have cleared
32:50
Speaker 2: a bit of the schedule up and people could have
32:53
Speaker 2: gone to both. Twenty three thousand I think was a crowd.
32:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it looks a lot worse, doesn't it in
32:56
Speaker 3: a massive venue like Wembley. I think that also probably
33:00
Speaker 3: speaks to if you compare the spring Box and All
33:05
Speaker 3: Blacks brand right like the Boxer back to World Cup
33:08
Speaker 3: winners and there's a massive expat South African population lon
33:14
Speaker 3: we've seen that, we've experienced it being there for the
33:16
Speaker 3: spring Box and All Blacks, but they clearly don't have
33:21
Speaker 3: the same lure.
33:22
Speaker 2: No. I think it's also the match as well that
33:24
Speaker 2: we were ten years removed from the Brighton Miracle. Japan
33:26
Speaker 2: Art the team they once were no fair and it's
33:29
Speaker 2: kind of like here. You know, a lot of people said,
33:30
Speaker 2: all you know, the All Blacks wouldn't sell out if
33:31
Speaker 2: it wasn't Ireland, But Ireland wouldn't sell out if it
33:34
Speaker 2: wasn't for the All Blacks. So you know, each team contributes,
33:36
Speaker 2: I think to the game and the spectacle that's there
33:40
Speaker 2: and the willingness of people to buy tickets. But felt
33:43
Speaker 2: like a bit of chasing the coin there that probably
33:46
Speaker 2: wasn't justified from the South African perspective.
33:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Box now gone to play France
33:50
Speaker 3: and then yep, that'll be a blockbuster. Very intrigued to
33:53
Speaker 3: see who wins it and also how many of those
33:58
Speaker 3: players it came out to New Zealand feature for that
34:00
Speaker 3: French team.
34:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will sure there'd be a few of them. The
34:04
Speaker 2: guns coming back into the Mixan final four fourth topic
34:09
Speaker 2: CEO chat for the All Black that's from New Zealand Rugby.
34:13
Speaker 2: So machinations going on in the background of course, Mike
34:16
Speaker 2: Robinson you'd leave soon ish from his role. What are
34:18
Speaker 2: you hearing, Limb you've reported on this in the last
34:20
Speaker 2: few days.
34:21
Speaker 3: There's a few developments there. All Lett that Matt Robinson
34:24
Speaker 3: resigned four months ago and Sneeze On Rugby just held
34:28
Speaker 3: interviews last week. They've appointed an interim CEO, Steve Lancaster,
34:32
Speaker 3: the Community Rugby manager, because it sounds like Matt Robinson
34:36
Speaker 3: finishes up in December and whoever they get is going
34:40
Speaker 3: to have to serve a notice period, so they're not
34:42
Speaker 3: going to have someone a replacement in place before probably
34:45
Speaker 3: April next year. So Lancaster will sits in when Robertson finishes.
34:51
Speaker 3: I'm hearing David White, the former New Zealand Cricket CEO
34:55
Speaker 3: who has interviewed for the role, but the favorite it
34:59
Speaker 3: sounds like is the CEO of Six Nations, Tom Harrison.
35:04
Speaker 3: He also previously led the English and Welsh Cricket Board,
35:09
Speaker 3: so he has experienced leading elite level rugby. His experience
35:15
Speaker 3: in private equity and big business deals which I think
35:19
Speaker 3: as a major factor that New Zealand Rugby want a
35:25
Speaker 3: box for them to tick. But I'll ask you, from
35:29
Speaker 3: a cultural rugby perspective, how much of a shift would
35:32
Speaker 3: it be to have I guess a brit come and
35:36
Speaker 3: lead New Zealand rugby, Particularly with the landscape of New
35:40
Speaker 3: Zealand rugby and the dynamic of managing the the twenty
35:45
Speaker 3: six provincial unions and how much.
35:47
Speaker 2: Power they have, it would be tricky. You're not coming
35:50
Speaker 2: in with a lot of institutional knowledge around how the
35:53
Speaker 2: game works. You might have a broad idea of the
35:55
Speaker 2: New Zealand structure, but in some ways that might be
35:58
Speaker 2: a benefit to him that he can oversee things without
36:01
Speaker 2: the inherent knowledge of the pus and the super rugby structure.
36:05
Speaker 2: And the grassroots level and the women's game and everything that,
36:08
Speaker 2: and can look at it from a clean canvas, it
36:11
Speaker 2: can come as a bit of an outsider and maybe
36:12
Speaker 2: that's what New Zealand rugby needs, is an outsider to
36:16
Speaker 2: get the house right and get everything right. I wouldn't
36:20
Speaker 2: be against the appointment necessarily to be a lot for
36:22
Speaker 2: him to learn. But he comes to the rugby background
36:24
Speaker 2: with England Cricket Board or the English and Wales Cricket
36:27
Speaker 2: Board as their CEO for a few years as well,
36:30
Speaker 2: so I think it'll be a big challenge getting used
36:33
Speaker 2: to the New Zealand game, but I wouldn't be against
36:35
Speaker 2: it necessarily either. I almost think that outsider would be
36:38
Speaker 2: perhaps more preferential to someone like David White, who's held
36:41
Speaker 2: a number of roles in New Zealand New Zealand cricket.
36:43
Speaker 2: He was there for I think about a decade. In
36:45
Speaker 2: the end, he's got the knowledge of how New Zealand
36:49
Speaker 2: rugby works. I think he's at the Blues and the
36:50
Speaker 2: Hurricanes of Wellington and Auckland potentially no doubting his credentials,
36:56
Speaker 2: but I almost think that there would be a tired
36:59
Speaker 2: appointment compared to someone like the Six Nation CEO. Someone
37:04
Speaker 2: outsider can look at things a little bit differently, so
37:07
Speaker 2: be intering see what happens there. It's think Lancaster has
37:09
Speaker 2: got to be the interim CEEO.
37:10
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, certainly for at least three months. From
37:15
Speaker 3: what I understand is a few nerves around, you know,
37:18
Speaker 3: someone like Tom Harrison coming in and whether that would
37:22
Speaker 3: pave the way for the Ragby Championship to move to
37:26
Speaker 3: align with the Six Nations and those sorts of things.
37:29
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of balls in the air, and
37:32
Speaker 3: you know, as with any of these appointments, a lot
37:36
Speaker 3: of speculation behind the scenes about what it might mean
37:38
Speaker 3: for various people. So interesting to see where it goes.
37:41
Speaker 3: News on Rugby's adamant they're going to make an appointment
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