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Sad Vikings News, Positive Signs from OTAs, and Contract Extensions | TSH Ep. 93 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the School Hop. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. Were's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do.
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  Speaker 3: And the beer we tried tonight was a really good
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  Speaker 3: beer from lake Time Brewery and it definitely held its own.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did.
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  Speaker 1: And we also covered a lot of pretty big headlines
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  Speaker 1: from Vikings world recently.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised with the calendar being the way
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  Speaker 3: it is, the dark time in the NFL news cycle.
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  Speaker 3: I was surprised by how much we had to talk about,
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  Speaker 3: and I was surprised at how much I like this beer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was great, really good beer, really good conversation. Grab
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  Speaker 3: a cold one, join us school.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: what they do and they're they're good people. So thank
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  Speaker 3: you Big Top Ventures. Yes, thanks. We also have some beer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm super excited for this.
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  Speaker 3: One new brewery to the show. Yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: we've had them before.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we have either.
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  Speaker 1: And a beer that I think you're gonna really like
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna like it too for sure. But this
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  Speaker 1: is definitely in your neck of the woods. This is
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  Speaker 1: Lake Time Brewery out of Clear Lake, Iowa, and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna try their tight lines double ipa. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: seven point seven percent double ipa. I figured when I
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  Speaker 1: saw this on the shelf, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Like, hmm, that sounds pretty good. I feel like Austin
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  Speaker 2: would like that. So I think we need to crack
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  Speaker 2: these open.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait. I'm this This one is definitely
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  Speaker 3: you gave me the choice. We had two different options.
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  Speaker 3: One was a check blogger and then there was this
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  Speaker 3: double I PA. And I was like, Evan, I know
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  Speaker 3: you gave me a choice, but let's be here. There's
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  Speaker 3: not really a There was no actual choice. It was
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  Speaker 3: just we're gonna drink the double I p A.
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  Speaker 2: That was. That was a really good POORV.
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  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's so much better. That was better than you this time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, although I am getting really annoyed
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  Speaker 3: when I have a really good poor and there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of decent foam at the top, it just gets
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  Speaker 3: right in the mustache there. It's it's not I don't
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  Speaker 3: have that problem. Yeah, well you should grow a mustache.
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  Speaker 3: I'll work on over the summer school.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just want Yeah. I like that.
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  Speaker 3: You can you can taste the heaviness of the high
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  Speaker 3: alcohol content. It's a little boozy, a little boozy, but
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  Speaker 3: I still think it's really good beer.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's clean, it's got a really clean finish. It's
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  Speaker 1: got that like golden type finish. It's not quite ambery,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's not a hazy I p yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I really like it, and I
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  Speaker 1: especially appreciate how low key it is. Yeah, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: not in your face. It's not super florally or anything,
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  Speaker 1: not that I have anything against that, but it's just
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  Speaker 1: like easy drinking. I almost get. There's some sweetness in
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  Speaker 1: there too. There's like a on the aftertaste. There's almost
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  Speaker 1: like a caramelly type sweetness to it as well.
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  Speaker 3: But like you said, not like ambery or anything, just yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a nice sweetness at the end there. It's it's nice,
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  Speaker 3: a little hoppy, not crazy hoppy, but enough to be like,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, there's there's the hot flavor. It's if you
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  Speaker 3: know what that boozy flavor is, then you'd know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean when I say it's a little boozy. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that adds to the flavor.
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  Speaker 2: I like that a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not what I expected it. I
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  Speaker 3: expected it to look like orange juice. It almost kind
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  Speaker 3: of looks like a lagger. It kind of like it
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  Speaker 3: looks like a bud light almost.
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  Speaker 1: It's like just like what you would see in a
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  Speaker 1: bud Light commercial, but it does not taste like a
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  Speaker 1: bud light.
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  Speaker 3: It tastes so much better. I like this one a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for the next couple. Thank you, Thank you
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  Speaker 3: for bringing this one yea, and thank you Lake Time
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  Speaker 3: out of clear Lake, Iowa for brewing this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe someday we can say thank you for providing this one.
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  Speaker 3: But this was this one. This one was on us today,
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  Speaker 3: so it was on me, it was on it, it
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  Speaker 3: was on me. Well, we'll enjoy a couple here.
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  Speaker 1: We also have a long list of things to talk
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  Speaker 1: about because we haven't been here in this spot for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks now, and there have been some
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  Speaker 1: pretty big developments in the last couple of weeks in
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  Speaker 1: Vikings world. So yeah, right about the time that news
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  Speaker 1: kind of slows down, there have been, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: a few things that have happened that are worth talking about.
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  Speaker 1: To start us off with the kind of maybe one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest ones in terms of like the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: franchise as a whole.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so a little bit of somber news here. Jim Marshall,
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  Speaker 3: Purple People Leader, legendary Viking I believe he's in the
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  Speaker 3: Ring of Honor for the Vikings. Tragically, he is not
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  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame yet. But fortunately maybe this
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  Speaker 3: news might be a little bit of a kickstart to
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  Speaker 3: make that happen. But yeah, Jim Marshall, you passed away
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  Speaker 3: a handful of days ago, but I didn't realize he was, Like,
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  Speaker 3: how old was he? Eighty seven?
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  Speaker 2: He was really old.
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  Speaker 1: Those purple people eaters are getting up there, And yeah, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised when I saw the news.
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  Speaker 2: And we're not breaking any news here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is almost a week old at this point, probably,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, he was eighty seven years old. But I
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  Speaker 1: think he was the heart and soul of that purple
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  Speaker 1: people Eater's defense. Like he was just the heartbeat of it.
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  Speaker 1: And of course he was infamous for that wrong Way
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  Speaker 1: Marshall play where he scooped up a fumble and ran
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  Speaker 1: the wrong way into the Viking's own end zone and
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  Speaker 1: ended up was it did that play end up being
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  Speaker 1: a safety?
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  Speaker 2: Was scored?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that definitely didn't end up working out for
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  Speaker 3: the Vikings. But it's one of those that's probably one
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  Speaker 3: of the like the first Vikings history stories I remember
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  Speaker 3: hearing about like, but.
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  Speaker 1: I think other than that, like his reputation was like revered,
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  Speaker 1: as he was one of the best defensive players in
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  Speaker 1: the history of the league. Like he was just so good,
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  Speaker 1: so ruthless, so just every play he was there and
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  Speaker 1: he was going to be in the backfield doing something.
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  Speaker 2: So you were right. I looked it up.
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  Speaker 3: It ended up being a safety. The Vikings were playing
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  Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers in that game, and he spiked
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  Speaker 3: the ball and the ball went out of the back
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  Speaker 3: of the end zone. Because I thought he just scored
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown. I mean I would too, but I wonder
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  Speaker 3: how many forty nine ers were chasing after him, trying
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  Speaker 3: to tackle him, not realizing, oh, he's going the wrong way.
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  Speaker 3: There had to have been at least one, right, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, he was the heart and soul to hear.
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  Speaker 3: After he passed, the Vikings put out some media clips
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  Speaker 3: and stuff and talking to some other Purple people, eaters
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  Speaker 3: and other players from that time, all of them said
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  Speaker 3: similar things. Great guy, great football player, great teammate, great leader,
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  Speaker 3: heart and sould the team. And it really, it really
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  Speaker 3: is a tragedy that he is not yet in the
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. I don't understand he's famous for at
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  Speaker 3: the time having the longest streak of consecutive games played,
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  Speaker 3: maybe even games started. I don't know the exact stat
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, consecutive games played he started two hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seventy seven.
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  Speaker 2: Wow total.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the streak I don't remember exactly what
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  Speaker 3: the streak was, but I think Brett Favre was the
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  Speaker 3: one to end up going on and breaking that record.
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  Speaker 3: It was two hundred and seventy that he started straight.
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  Speaker 3: That's insane. That's a lot of games at defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like he was, you know, a kicker that
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  Speaker 3: never gets touched. He started at a position that gets
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  Speaker 3: beat down, whether you're in nineteen sixty or you know,
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  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, Like, it doesn't matter what era. Defensive tackle
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  Speaker 3: has always been a beaten player every single play. Yeah, great,
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  Speaker 3: great player, and it's unfortunate, but maybe his passing and
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  Speaker 3: putting him into the limelight a little bit will kickstart
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  Speaker 3: a potential Hall of Fame run. Though I know the team,
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  Speaker 3: I hear it from the vikings every year, like, let's
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  Speaker 3: get Jim Marshall in the Hall of Fame. He deserves it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a shame that he wasn't inducted into
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  Speaker 1: the Hall while he was still alive. I think that
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  Speaker 1: would have been he would have been honored to receive
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  Speaker 1: that distinction, and I think it was well deserved. And
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  Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most deserving players that
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  Speaker 1: didn't get inducted while he was still alive. So hopefully
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  Speaker 1: it happens now that he's passed. But man, he was
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  Speaker 1: a heck of a player and even the inspiration for
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  Speaker 1: a character one Yeah favorite Team TV shows How I
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Met Your Mother Marshall. The character named Marshall was named
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  Speaker 1: after Jim Marshall, and he wore a number seventy jersey
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  Speaker 1: with the name Marshall on the back and a handful
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  Speaker 1: of episodes. So importantly, a retired number seventy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, one of six in franchise history to be retired.
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  Speaker 3: And that might be it, Like the Vikings haven't retired
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  Speaker 3: a number. I don't think since it was Corey Stringer
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  Speaker 3: the most recent retired number of the Vikings have had. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think so, maybe Chris Carter. I don't remember how
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  Speaker 3: that timeline works. It went Chris Carter than Corey Strings Stringer. Yeah, so,
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  Speaker 3: But not since it's been twenty plus years, maybe twenty
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  Speaker 3: five plus years at this point. But yeah, I did
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  Speaker 3: tweet out something that's probably kind of cheesy and maybe
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  Speaker 3: won't catch on. I don't know how great of an
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  Speaker 3: idea it is, but I said the Vikings shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: captains anymore. They shouldn't have team captains anymore. They should
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  Speaker 3: have team Marshall's.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that was that cheesy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think actually that was a good idea and
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  Speaker 1: a great way to honor a guy who in boudied
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  Speaker 1: what it meant to be a captain, what it meant
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  Speaker 1: to carry the torch for your team, to be a leader,
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  Speaker 1: to go out there and play two hundred whatever games
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  Speaker 1: he played. No, I think that would be a great
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  Speaker 1: way for the team to honor him, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: having his number retired. A side note really quick, We're
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  Speaker 1: not going to spend a ton of time talking about
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers because he's not on our list of things
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  Speaker 1: to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: But he did.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is
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  Speaker 1: a kind of a sigh of relief for Vikings fans
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  Speaker 1: everywhere because that means he won't be signing with the Vikings.
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  Speaker 3: Some crazy Vikings fans out there, let us know if
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  Speaker 3: you're one of them that are disappointed that Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 3: didn't sign with the team.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm not JJ they but interestingly enough, similar to
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  Speaker 1: what he did with the Jets, Aaron Rodgers will wear
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  Speaker 1: the number eight in Pittsburgh. And I didn't know this,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody in Pittsburgh has worn the number twelve since
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  Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw war it and it's not retired in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: The number twelve is still very much available, but it's
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  Speaker 1: I think it's one of those unspoken rules. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the sam would be true of Jim Marshall. If
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  Speaker 1: the Vikings hadn't retired his number, I think it would have.
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  Speaker 1: It would be one of those just franchise unspokens, like
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  Speaker 1: you just don't take that number.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and the Vikings kind of did that for shoot
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  Speaker 3: almost a decade with the number twenty eight Adrian Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: I think this past season twenty twenty four was the
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  Speaker 3: first time somebody wore the number twenty eight officially on
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  Speaker 3: the field since Adrian Peterson did back in like twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: I wish they would have done that unspoken thing with
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  Speaker 3: Randy Moss, but they seem to be happy to just
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  Speaker 3: throw that number at any.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you're wide receiver. I think eighty four
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  Speaker 2: is a little different.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, that would be different had he
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  Speaker 1: spent his whole career in Minnesota. Yeah, obviously, he spent
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  Speaker 1: a bulk of his career in Minnesota and even came
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  Speaker 1: back to Minnesota after being gone for a while. I
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  Speaker 1: also think could be different with Randy if he didn't
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: have such a loud personality, kind of a questionable demeanor
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  Speaker 1: while he was in the league. You know, he was
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  Speaker 1: definitely even while he was in college, he was the
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  Speaker 1: center of a lot of controversy and he had lawsuits
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  Speaker 1: and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And so did you spill over there?
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  Speaker 3: It was just a couple of drops, I know. I
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  Speaker 3: don't even know if it's worth Yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Probably worth a paper. Tell we got some Well, not to.
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  Speaker 3: Smirch the name of Jim Marshall by finishing that little
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  Speaker 3: segment with Aaron Rodgers, but yeah, rest in peace, Jim Marshall.
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  Speaker 3: Thoughts and prayers with him and his family. Truly a
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  Speaker 3: great Viking.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, one of the greatest, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully JJ McCarthy is amongst that echelon of Vikings players someday,
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  Speaker 1: and he seems to be off to a really good
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  Speaker 1: start and is what I'm going to continue to call
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  Speaker 1: his red shirt rookie year. He you know, obviously was
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  Speaker 1: injured at the end of not the end of pretty
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  Speaker 1: much well, I guess we could say the end of preseason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was right.
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  Speaker 3: It was during the first preseason game, like a couple
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  Speaker 3: days later that it was announced.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, he sat out all of the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four regular season and he's been in recovery.
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  Speaker 2: Mode ever since.
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  Speaker 1: And he's allegedly been lighting it up in OTAs well,
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  Speaker 1: if you believe that one Twitter account that just tweets
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  Speaker 1: things that are not true.
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  Speaker 3: Just for clout, they tweeted and said to them like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he just threw his fiftieth touchdown and breaking all these records.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true.
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  Speaker 3: I think we touched on that a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: But I guess from what everybody's saying is he is
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  Speaker 3: looking pretty decent. How is the You remember, back like
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: ten years ago, the phrase was hey, how's Teddy look?
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  Speaker 3: Now it's how's JJ looking? Apparently he's looking pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm not shocked front of the show for us.
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  Speaker 3: He's an avid Michigan Wolverines fan. So for JJ's entire
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  Speaker 3: I think did he leave early? Was it his junior
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  Speaker 3: year that they his last year in college when JJ
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: and Harbaugh went on to win the national championship? That
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: whole year just being good friends with Forrest, I was
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: aware of the Michigan Wolverines. I'll never say I'm a
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: fan of them. I'm a Hawkeye fan. But I paid
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: attention and was aware of JJ McCarthy. We talked about
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  Speaker 3: him on the show before he was ever a Viking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for this dude. I can't wait to see
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  Speaker 3: him play. Can't wait to see him get on the
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  Speaker 3: field and actually lead the team. I want to see
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  Speaker 3: his highs, I want to see his lows. I just
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready. I've been ready for the Vikings to draft
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  Speaker 3: their guy and have a good quarterback that is a
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  Speaker 3: Viking through and through my whole life. And we thought
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Christian Ponder was going to be that. We thought Teddy
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Bridgewater was going to be that. For a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: I thought they were going to force that situation and
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  Speaker 3: make Kirk Cousins that. But really, Dante Culpepper is the
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  Speaker 3: only one in my fan hood lifetime that I've seen
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  Speaker 3: that can kind of say he was on that trajectory
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  Speaker 3: until he disintegrated his knee. So I'm excited for JJ.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Dante visited Yeah practice the other day. I
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: thought that was kind of cool. I also saw a
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  Speaker 1: really cool video of JJ throwing an absolute dime to
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison in practice, and Harrison Smith was covering Addison
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  Speaker 1: or was the safety on the play. I doubt he
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  Speaker 1: was the initial coverage. I think Addison probably blew up
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  Speaker 1: the coverage and Harrison Smith was the last line of defense.
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  Speaker 1: But Jordan Addison scored a touchdown on Harrison Smith and
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  Speaker 1: that just got me thinking, like, man like, if Harrison
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  Speaker 1: Smith is outwitted by these guys, if he can't get
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: his corners in the right position, or if Josh ellis
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  Speaker 1: or whoever is you know, calling those shots on the
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  Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball in practice, if they're struggling
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  Speaker 1: this early, I don't know. I like our chances. I
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  Speaker 1: like this offense, and I'm excited to see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, And it all goes with JJ and
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  Speaker 3: really with Kevin O'Connell. But JJ is the one on
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  Speaker 3: the field doing the thing. So let's hope that stays true.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: And let's hope JJ is the guy because I don't
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: think any of us want to see Sam Howell for
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: any period of time or Brett Rippon. You know, did
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: you did you see the video.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Of JJ throwing a football at Sam Howell and like
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: him in the head.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: He's got some accuracy, like the kids got accuracy. I
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: feel like he wasn't trying to hit his teammate. He did,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: but he definitely hit him.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this question, is all of
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: this hype is it real like our because I feel
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: like at this point in the off season, you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: mid to late June, every team is like, ah man,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, the sky's the limit, We're going to win
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Everybody showed up to OTAs.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: We don't have any weird contract I mean, there are
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: some teams with some weird contract negotiations and stuff going on,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: but like a lot of teams have a lot of
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: optimism swirling around them right now. Is the optimism around
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the Vikings reel? Is it legit?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I think we have reasons to believe that we can
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: be excited and actually be excited. I think koc's track
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: record so far is enough for us to say, like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know how twenty twenty five is
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: gonna go yet, but we know the head coach is
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: a solid and good head coach. You don't accidentally win
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Coach of the Year in the NFL. It'd be different
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: if we were sitting here like, how did he win award? Like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I know the media said he was good, but we
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: thought he was terrible. No, we're sitting here thinking he
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: is amazing. And if you go back to like some
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: of our first episodes, we're not complaining about the things
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: with Kevin O'Connell now that we used to. It used
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to be, Ah, he's good, but like clock management is terrible.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Game management he's working on. He's still not Like he
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: won't go in the Hall of Fame for his game
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: management yet, but he's we're not complaining about that as
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: much anymore. He is the QB Whisperer. I heard him
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: on the Power Trip morning show within the last couple
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: of weeks saying he kind of hates that name, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it's a name for a reason, like he is a
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: QB whisperer. He'd look what he did with Sam Darnold,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Look what he'll hopefully do with JJ McCarthy. So there's
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: a couple of things to say, like this is why
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you can actually be excited, But ultimately, like I said
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a few minutes ago, the bucks stops with JJ. The
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: team will go wherever JJ goes. And I mean he
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: hasn't proven anything yet. We can see all the OTA
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: highlights we want. We can get excited about that half
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: of a preseason game that he played almost a year
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: ago now, and we can get excited that he won
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a national championship in college. But ultimately with the Vikings,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: he's never taken a snap in the regular season, so
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: we don't know. So right now, i'd say be excited.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I'm excited, but also be real because it's not like
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: we're coming off of you know, three super Bowl trip
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: run where it's like, yeah, I mean they're still as
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: good as they have been the last three super Bowls,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Like we don't have that. It's all cautious optimism, is
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: what I would say. So be excited, but be realistic
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: that there are some things we don't know yet I'm.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Gonna be a little more obnoxious with my optimism here
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: because I think there's a ton of reason to be optimistic.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And I think I've said this before, like I don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: think I'm changing course really at all. And I'm gonna
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: take a page out of Dustin Baker's book. I think
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Dustin has said this with us on our show before.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: JJ doesn't have to play at a Patrick Mahomes level
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: for the Vikings to be great this year. You have
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a completely rebuilt offensive line, and if Christian Darisa is
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: as healthy as he is, which we're going to talk
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: about here in a little bit like look out, because
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: if he's in that starting lineup even in September, that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: offensive line really, you know, takes a big leap forward
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: from where it was expected to be.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: You have.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Arguably the best receiver in football now. You have a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: really good two running back system in the backfield with
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones leading the way and Jordan Mason coming in
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: after a really solid career in San Francisco. I think,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: what did he play two seasons in San Francisco?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Two or three so, and I mean the Niners season
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: last year kind of fell apart, but once McCaffrey was
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: officially down. Their run game was still up to par
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: for the most part, and it was George Maman was
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: there picking up the slack. So I really like the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: upgrades that Quacy has made. We're gonna talk about him
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: here in a little bit too.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: On the offensive side of the ball, and that's you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the upgrades are great with the pieces that you already
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: have in place, like Justin Jefferson, like a Christian darrisa,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like a Brian O'Neill, like a TJ.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Hawkinson. We'll also talk about Josh Oliver here in a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But then the defensive side too, like the additions of
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Grenard and Andrew Van Kinkle, and then you have
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner kind of waiting in the wings. I think
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores was quoted this week saying, like, of course,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner is going to be that number three guy,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: because you see who he's sitting behind. I'm paraphrasing, yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But like I think that's kind of the gist of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: what he was saying, Like, Dallas Turner is a good player.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Have you seen pictures of Dallas Turner in the last
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: handful of days. No, I haven't there's like one that's
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: making the rounds and I think it's like.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Just actually absolutely jacked. He has ripped.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he has taken the last couple of months and
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: just he was already like, you know, he's the NFL
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: first round athlete, but he has almost Daniel hunterized himself.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Dude is a monster. And to think like, yeah, he's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: still going to be sitting behind two Pro Bowl Defensive
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Player the Year worthy ish players in Van Ginkel and Grenard,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: like just to have that third option be Dallas Turner.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Like and then and then, and then You've got the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: brains of Blake Cashman who's calling all the shots. You
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: have the veteran experience of Harrison Smith, you have the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Swiss army knife of Josh mattel Is, Like I'm just like, let's.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Kick off weight, now, let's go, let's go.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I'm excited all of that to say, I think the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: optimism on bo sides of the ball is warranted. And
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think with Kevin O'Connell's coaching experience,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. He has a point
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: six y sixty seven win percentage in the league. He
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: wins two thirds of the games that he coaches.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's with half a season where is QB
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: one just suddenly disappeared.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: That was with this revolving door of Josh Dobbs and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Jared Hall and Nick Mullins all those guys. Yeah, so
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like and that was the season of Justin Jefferson was down.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah for a while too. So KOs is a phenomenal coach.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He's had an outstanding track record to start his coaching
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: career in three seasons, big upgrades on the offensive side
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of the ball, big upgrades in the past couple of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: seasons on the defensive side of the ball. I really
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: think the optimism is warranted in I don't know, I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, NFC North or bust at this point,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like we better win the division and make the playoffs,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and we better make a good run.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: A sim it down a little bit because I mean,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I'm excited. The division is still going to be a gauntlet.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: The Lions are still I mean, yeah, we talk about them.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: They're they're going to take a step back. I'm the
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: first one to say that because they're losing coaching. But
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: until they prove that they're going to take a step back,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: They're still the team to beat in the division. The
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Packers are no joke. I mean, Matt le Fleur is
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: a good coach and Ordan Love.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think Jordan Love is the answer there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: He's he's not Aaron Rodgers, but he's also not Christian Ponder.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: If so, I'll make a hot take right now because
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm ready. You're and a half in on these
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: seven point sevens and I'm ready to make a hot take.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make the hot take right now. JJ
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: McCarthy outperforms Jordan Love.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: All right. I'll hold you to that. I hope that happens.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying you're wrong.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just maybe not maybe not this season because they're
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I have to clare if we're already taking a backpedal here,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but I think eventually JJ McCarthy will outperform Jordan Love.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough out of Jordan Love to think
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that he's yeah, Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, nobody's Brett Favar Aaron Rodgers. But
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to backpedal a little bit too, Lions are still a
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: team to be in the North. Packers are no slumps
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: and the Bears. Bears are on the up and up,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: for sure, they're on the up and up before everything's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: fell apart for them. Last year they started four and two,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and that's with eber Flus, that's with a very young
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Kleb Williams, and now you insert the brains of the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Lions offense the last few years with Caleb Williams is
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: still number one pick worthy. He would have been the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: first overall pick in this previous draft. Like there's not
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: many drafts he wouldn't have been the first overall pick.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: The Bears are something to be reckoned with as things
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: sit right now, But so are the Vikings. So the
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: NFC North was potentially the best division in football last season,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and all they did was lose every playoff game that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: all three teams went to Except for the Lions, they
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: beat the Vikings. Wouldn't know the Vikings lost to the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Rams in the playoffs. The Lion's first playoff game was
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: against the Commanders and they lost. So I'm excited to
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: go all the way back to your first question. Yes,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: the hype is real. Be excited, but you never know.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: We could JJ could tear his other knee again. You
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: never know, and that would be devastating. And then I
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: don't even know what the Vikings would do because I
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: don't think you go into a full season knowing.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That Seawn may or.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: What's what's even not even Sam how that he's your
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: QB one. Like I think, if if if the exact
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: same thing happened in the preseason this year as what
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: happened last year, first game, JJ's got some knee orness.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Oh no, he's out for another year. The Vikings aren't
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: rolling with the quarterback. The QB one will not have
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: been on this roster already. Well, that's where they're traded
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: for somebody, that's what.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where they're going to explore, like, Okay, did
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Flacco get let go? Did Shador Sanders get let go
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: by the Browns? That would be terrible. Who's you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: who's available? Who's who can we prye Tom Brady away
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: from Fox?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Or an owner? He's an owner, he can't well can
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: he sell his ownership? Like for one now? And with
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the Vikings, I don't know. Anyways, I'm excited.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: There's a ton of optimism, not just around JJ McCarthy
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: but around the entire team. And I think he's at
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the core of it because he's young, he's exciting, he's
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: killing it right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: It seems like the real deal. Another guy that we
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: know is the real deal and apparently is way healthier
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: than we thought he was, was Christian Darisaw. So this
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: whole time, I've been operating assuming Christian Darrisaw's injury was
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: basically the same as what TJ. Hockinson had the year before,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: and that we wouldn't see Christian. I mean, we didn't
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: see TJ. Hockinson until like, when was it like week eight,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: nine ten? It was later in the season, second half
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: of the season, for sure, and even then it took
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: him a minute to kind of warm up. I don't
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: think he caught a touchdown last year. Like, it was
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a pretty hefty injury if you. Lyon's defensive back who
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: is not even important enough for me to remember his name,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: but even though he's dirty, I just I was thinking
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Christian Darrisaw's injury was going to be very similar to TJ. Hockinson's.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: So I didn't expect to see Darrisaw on any football
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: field until mid season, and here he is. It's limited,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: it's only an individual drills, but he's helmet on, shell,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: shoulder pads on, leg wrapped up, but he's participating in
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: practice right now. Like that's insane to me and I
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: couldn't be happier.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And I think part of that has to do with
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the fact that at his position, there's left left, there's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: less left to right movement that he has to do,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Whereas like t J. Howkinson, you rely on the ability,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: especially as one of the more elite pass catching tight
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: ends in the league, you rely on your ability to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: plant your foot in the ground and be able to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: move east and west.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still a playmaker position.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And I think when you're on the line, whether it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: offense or defense, you're more north south. You know you're
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you're getting pushed forward or you're getting pushed backwards, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you just have to overpower the other guy that you're
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: matched up against. And I think if your dar saw
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you are matched up usually against two guys. You've got
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a guy on your left and a guy on your right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Because you're helping the tackle with somebody.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I have a good.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: You're moving your hands forward and back really close to
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: your beer, so I was just I appreciate the back
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I was holding your beer, making sure it's okay.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Hold my beer.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: No, But I think I'm excited that he's back, yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and that he's he's healthy enough to be moving around
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like he was in practice.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we're going to see.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Him in a game situation early early Yeah, I would
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: still expect him to be out for a while.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: He could still start I think training camp on the
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: pup list, the physically unable to perform list, that still
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: could happen. I mean, he could be in this, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: off to the side doing individual drills situation for months now.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: We don't know, but it's still very encouraging that in
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: early June the Vikings he's healthy enough and the Vikings
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: are comfortable enough to let him go out there, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: they're comfortable enough, so comfortable that the teams about it. Yeah,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: they're tweeting about it, and they're sent out like a
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: push notification, like hey, dars I was back on the
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: practice field. They didn't say, yeah, he's one hundred percent.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Nobody has said that yet, and I I don't think
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: that's true. But for such a devastating injury to his knee,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: it's very encouraging to see him on the field. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: running around. They did make a handful of moves at
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the tackle position to kind of help themselves, but it's
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: not like they went and made sure that they overpaid
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Cam Robinson another fourteen million dollars to make sure he
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: stays so that he's insurance there. I don't know if
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: they tried to do that. They may have, it would
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: have been done for them not to at least explore that,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: but they didn't do it, and they made a couple
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: of backup wherethy moves at tackle. But yeah, I'm excited
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: to see Daris saw moving so well so early, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: we'll we'll see where it goes from here.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And I think his health will impact the overall success
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of the offense and the offensive line specifically. Not to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: say that the other guys can't hold it down until
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: he comes back, but I think once he comes back,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: this offensive line will be arguably one of the best, yeah,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: if not the best in the league.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: And the Vikings made a lot of moves or two
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: very massive moves and one big investment in a first
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: round draft pick to make sure that this offensive line
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: looks night and day better in twenty twenty five than
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: it did in twenty four and didn't. It wasn't the
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: last ranked offensive line in the league in twenty four,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: but it was bad enough that the Vikings are immediately
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: replacing at least three of the five positions, which is
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: no small feat, and they've made big investments to do that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I couldn't be happier. And JJ McCarthy probably is jumping
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: for joy for all that too.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean you've got a ten year
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: veteran center that's going to be snapping in the ball
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and Ryan Kelly, and then you've got Will Fryes on
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: one side, and who's on the other side, I'm pick
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Downovan Jackson. Donovan Jackson. So yeah, you got to feel
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: pretty good about that. And then you got Brian O'Neill
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: on the right side, and then you've got possibly darisaw
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: if he's healthy coming back, like your left tackle is
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: almost especially as a right handed quarterback, one of the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: most important guys on the field to protect your blind side,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: as we know, where'd you get that that information from
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the room? I don't know, maybe maybe this one movie
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: called The Blind Sandra Bullock and Blindside starting off the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: movie explaining why I left tackle was important, but I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: feel like I knew it before then anyway, so it
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But anyways, I'm excited about this offensive line,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and Darisaw being back and healthy only makes that offensive
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: line better and stronger.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, so I'm pumped. Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Well, someone else who's back, even though he never left,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Quasy Quasia Dafamensa signed a contract extension. I don't know
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: if they publicly announced how long his extensions for.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's probably in line with KOC. In the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: infamous unrecorded interview I had with Dustin Baker a handful
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: of weeks back, I did ask him, like, if Quaycy
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: does sign, because this is before Quacy signed. I asked
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Dustin if he thought, would it be like a one year,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: like okay, give us, you know, let us see for
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: one more year if you're really the real deal, or
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: will it be longer? And his answer was pretty much like,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I think if they sign him, or really when they
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: sign him, it'll be in tandem with KOC and they'll
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: they'll be tied together years wise, no matter what.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm assuming.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I think people have even kind of reported that out
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that it might be that long through twenty twenty eight
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: or twenty twenty nine for both of them. What are
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: your thoughts? Are you excited Quacy's back? Oh, I'm pumped.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: For as much flack as he gets in the draft,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I think he makes up for in free agency and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: just other trades and moves that he makes, like going
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: out and getting the Pastronaut last not this past season,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: but two years ago, Like that was a move that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he orchestrated and he did beautifully. Like he got Josh
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Dobbs for next to nothing and we got two wins
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: out of that guy before everything crashing, And it was
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: so fun and it was fun for fans fans, I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: don't know how fun it was for the team. I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: think it was kind of fun for the team for
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: like a couple of days.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Is that two and a half weeks of the passionate
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: era or really just six quarters had to have been
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the most fun time to be a Viking in a
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: long time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But I think not just him, but bringing Sam Darnold in,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like there was that whole thing.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think he and Kaos have a really good connection,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and I think he trusts Choc and I think Kevin
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: O'Connell trusts Quasi, and if Kevin O'Connell goes to him
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and says, hey, I see a lot of potential in
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: this quarterback. I think we should go after this guy,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they go after him. And that's the that's the trust
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that Quacy has in Koc, Like, Okay, if my head
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: coach thinks highly of this guy, we're going to go
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: after this guy. And I think that's why they traded
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: up to go. I don't did they trade up to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: get JJ McCarthy.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: They had eleven, they traded up one spot to get
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: ten because who was it at the Jets. I believe
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: we're at ten. And yeah, there may have been some
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: showmanship going on there, but they solidified and guaranteed themselves
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: by moving They.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Got their guy, and I think that was because he
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: trusted Koc, like, we want this guy and we're going
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to guarantee that we get him. And he doesn't just
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: appease the head coach, who we know is an offensive
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: minded guy, but he thinks of the whole picture. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Turner trade to go, you know, trade up
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and get Dallas turned in the first round of the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: draft two years ago.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: All of the.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: The moves that he made this offseason to go get
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the offensive lineman and defensive lineman. Both Koc and Quacy
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: had this united front at the end of the season.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to solidify the trenches. Solidify the trenches. We're
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: going to solidify the trenches. And then sure enough, what
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: do they do and free agency? And we just got
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: done talking about it. They solidify the trenches and we
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: haven't even talked about the two defensive tackles they signed
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to Hargrave And is it Allen?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jonathan Allen. Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I mean so like he puts his money where his
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: mouth is and he gets players to Minnesota.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the only the right guy for
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the job. I would tend to agree. I might be
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: a little less on fire for him as you are,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: but I still I'm happy they extended him. I'm glad he's,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: you know, the GM of the Vikings, and I think
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: he's made a lot of fantastic moves. So you can't
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: deny that. I think that first draft a lot of people,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: and maybe myself included, that first draft was so bad
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: that people, like I said, maybe including myself, put more
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: weight on that bad draft than they should. Lewis seen
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that drafting him as your first move isn't a fireable offense.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: But if he were to do that kind of horrific move,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: now that's enough. Like, once you're an established GM, you
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: can't do that. Dustin Baker say his name again. He's
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: real quick to point out that who's the Eagles GM.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Howie Roseman is that?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: It is?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Highly right now, highly regarded as probably the best GM
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: in football. His first few drafts apparently were pretty awful,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and it took him a minute to figure out. I
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: think everything about Quaycy has gotten better and better. I
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: think he's even said, yeah, you grow personally and professionally,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: and Caysey's ever one to run away from, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: moves that weren't so great, like Lewis c or you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: some other things. But the pros so much outweigh the
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: cons with Quac. And you could also be somebody that
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: doesn't like him, and you put all the success of
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the vikings on Koc's shoulders or Brian Flores or who
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: would have known that, I even Pace would have turned
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: out to be a starter level you know, middle linebacker.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: But ultimately, who's making those decisions? Who hired KOs, who's
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: giving the okay to not only hire Brian Flores, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: fight to make sure he is financially compensated enough to
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: not try to leave for every head coaching job out
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: there right away. Who signs the undrafted pre agents even
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: though the scouts are telling him this is what I know.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: He's ultimately the one making all these moves. So in
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: quacy we trust. If I had to give like a
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: zero to a score of how confident I am inquacy
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: right now, I'm probably in the like mid eighties, low
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: to mid eighties, you'd probably be like high to high eighties,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: low nineties. Maybe.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't give him an A yeah. I think
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: he's a solid A yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And as of now, I am not trying to see like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: oh well, let's see how it does this here and
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: then inspired, I'm not even in his seat is not
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: even warm for me.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And as you were fleshing out some of those things,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: something I wondered, especially with his first draft, is how
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: much of the old mindset from the Browns carried over
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to his job in Minnesota.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Like I can speak from experience.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Like when I've moved from job to job, when I've
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: transitioned from organization to organization, like some of the bad
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: habits and some of the like mindset of even if
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: they weren't bad necessarily, it's just like, this is the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: way we did it over here, and now I'm transitioned
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: over here, and this is the way we do it now,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Like it takes me a while to adjust. And I
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: wonder if that was maybe the case. Not excusing completely
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the tank job that was his first draft in Minnesota,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: but I wonder if there was some of that, Like
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I've never been a part of an organization where ownership
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like actually cares, and ownership actually like interacts with me
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and wants me to succeed and wants the organization to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: succeed and doesn't just care about themselves in that bottom line,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about the Browns, but I
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: know that, like from the top down, the Browns as
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: an organization has been kind of a mess, a dumpster fire,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and there needs to be some changes there, and.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm I'm happy right now with ownership.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I think the Wolfs have a good grasp on things
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I think they've hired one of the better
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: gms in the league to lead the way, and they've
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: got one of the better head coaches in the league
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to lead the players in the right direction. Absolutely, I'm
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: excited from top down in this organization to see what
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: happens in the next couple of years.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I use this phrase about my kids a lot, but
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: whenever they're doing something that isn't like overly dangerous or anything,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: because I would put the kabash on that real quick.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: But if they're doing something that I'm like, oh, he's
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: swinging that thing around, he might bump himself in the head.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: My first thought is always like, let him. He might
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: hit himself in the head, he might get hurt, he
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: might cry for a minute, but like, he's going to
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: be fine, And if he wasn't going to be fine,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I'd step in again. But I always say, like, some
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: lessons you can only teach yourself. And maybe Lewis scene
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: for not to totally crap on Lewis scene for twenty minutes,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: but maybe for Quacy Lewis scene was a lesson he
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: can only teach him in like ten minutes. But I'm
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: pretty sure Lewis scene has a Super Bowl ring at
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: this point, so who cares. Yeah, some lessons Quaycy can
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: only teach himself. And if you'd eventually win a playoff
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: game or two or for and ultimately the championship, you
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: take the highs with the lows. And we've gotten a
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: lot more highs with Quacy than lows.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And I think he's improved.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Drafting, Oh yeah, that's always been a knock on him,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and I think that first draft will always be something
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that's held against him, unfortunately, But I don't know. I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: think he's improved that way. And he shines in free agency.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: He just absolutely shines. Like he knows who to call,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: like he's he's a Billy Bean. He's a like, we.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Got it, we gotta do it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I got to bring it in here, man. Like people
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: out there will know it's a connection. If you're a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: sports fan and you love movies, you're gonna know the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Billy Bean Moneyball connection.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's there. Moneyball is definitely a movie.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: It's your fault for not watching it more. I've watched enough.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: I've seen it the appropriate amount of times once.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: No, you should watch it way more than No. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: don't need to it. I don't need to. I started
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: showing it to my students at school.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you. I'm sure they love you for that. Yeah,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they go home and talk about how much
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: they rave about mister so and so for making us
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: watch this super boring movie about baseball. I'm sorry not
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: to cre up on something you love for twenty minutes. Anyway,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Cracy is better than Billy Bean.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I think he probably is, and I think he he
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: takes those principles and he applies them in the NFL
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: in a way that's meaningful and in a way that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: gets results.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And I think I think we've seen that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think KOs is as successful in his first
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: three years as a coach without koc. I don't think
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the Vikings win seven games two seasons ago when Kirk
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: got hurt and JJ got hurt. That is justin Jefferson,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: without all of the stuff that happened behind the scenes
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: with Quacy. He brought in Josh Dobbs, and he canntinued
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to work behind the scenes to make the team better,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: not just with the Josh Stops trade. I think that's
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the most obvious one. But Quacy wasn't the only one
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to get an extension recently though.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the one. I'm more excited about. But who
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: else get's signed?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: So Josh Oliver got another contract extension. I don't I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: did not catch all the details. You might be able
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to kind of quickly google the details of his contract,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but it's not a small contract extension.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Three years, three years worth.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: This just quickly says worth more than twenty three million dollars.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: So, okay, what you what are your thoughts on that one?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I think he is a really good tight end too,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: maybe one of the better tight end to.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Guys in the league.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: So to solidify that behind TJ is really good, He's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: also a great run blocking tight end. That's that's his
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: bread and that's his calling card. And so especially with
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the added firepower in the background with Jordan Mason, you
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: know you've You've got Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason. Now,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I would expect to see a lot of Josh Oliver
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: on the field in some of those run packages to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: protect for him.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Not to say that TJ is bad in those situations.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I think he's he holds his own, But I think
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: we'll see a lot more of Josh Oliver in some
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: of those situations. And he can still catch the ball,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and I think he's good in those situations as well.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I think he's a decent route running, ball catching tight
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: end as well. So and I like the continuity. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: this was something that friend of the Show Dustin Baker,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: pointed out in an article about this move. Particularly TJ
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and Josh coming back brings this level of continuity. This
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot of change there. These guys
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: have worked together now for a while and the tight
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: end coaches know them. Kevin O'Connell as the offensive coordinator,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: not offensive coordinator, but coached coach who calls the offensive plays,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: knows them, knows their strengths and weaknesses, knows when to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: put him in, when to sit him.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I like it. I think
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: it was a good move.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe on the higher end for a tight end too
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: in terms of price tag, but I don't know. I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: feel like the Vikings had a little bit more money
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: to spend, and I think they spent in a pretty
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: decent spot.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I not mad that Josh Oliver the
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: tight end is on the team. He's a Everything we've
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: heard about him, I'm not an analyst enough to know
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: if it's totally true, but everything we've heard about him
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: is that he's the best run blocking tight end in
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: the league or one of you know, he's up there.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: And I've never been complaining about his receiver skills. He's
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: never been crazy. The most catches he's had in a
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: season are twenty two, and that's he's had two seasons
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: with twenty two catches. And he's never had a ton
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: of drops, catches, a couple of touchdowns a year. But
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: for me, and again this might be one of those
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: areas where I'd be a terrible GM and a terrible
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: head coach. I fully recognize that. But for me, that's
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: that's too much money. That is too much money to
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: spend on a position where you don't need to do that.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I think the Vikings I would have been happier if
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: they gave up draft capital to get the who's at
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Michael Meyer from the backup tight end from Vegas. Now
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: if they were looking for like a first and a
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: second round pick, you know, something crazy like okay, But yeah,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I just I feel like for Oliver's role in the
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Vikings where he's not he's like one great Justin Jefferson
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: game will eclipse Josh Oliver's in entire season statistically, and
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: you can't really measure the impact of great run blocking
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: other than is the Viking Are the Vikings able to
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: run the ball? But I feel like for nineteen almost
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: twenty million dollars guaranteed max of twenty seven and a
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: half million dollars over three years for a tight end too.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I don't totally agree with it. He might be the
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: best person in the world. He might be the best
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: blocking tight end in the world. I don't.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: He definitely played better last year than he did in
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: his first year with the Vikings two years ago, and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that was obviously due to the absence of TJ for
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: most of the season. But even then, you know, he
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: only scored three touchdowns. But I think probably in a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: similar amount of games and a similar amount of starts,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: or actually I think he started more games.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Than TJ did.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last year at that tight end one position, like
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: he was still more productive. And to be productive and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to help your team to fourteen wins in a pretty
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: critical position, I mean, I wouldn't say tight end is
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the most important. I think obviously the quarterback is the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: most important, and then you're looking at wide receivers and
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: running backs after that, and then you're looking at tight
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: ends and in the mix there, I think is your
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: offensive line because.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: You've got to have protection for everybody. But I think to.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Do what he's done to average when is he averaged
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: eleven point seven yards per reception last year, he had
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: seventeen yards a game and nine point two yards per target.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Like that's those are pretty decent numbers for a tight end.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and he gets also out of twenty
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: two catches. I think you know their Pro Football Reference
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: has that approximate value score, which is just a number
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: that they assign a player per season. He had an
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: approximate value of a two last year, and a two
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the year before, and a one to one and then zero.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: That's his entire career in season breakdown. You can replace
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: a two with less than thirty million dollars over three years.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But I just feel like it was a luxury that
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the Vikings didn't have to splurge on. But would you
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: replace a guy who's familiar with the system with someone
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: who doesn't know the system, doesn't know the culture.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I think that might be a little overrated. And here's why. Okay,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: do you remember in two thousand and nine.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Week three.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: The Vikings were down I believe by four one final drive.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: They started marching down the field and then out of nowhere,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: far of Jukes left, Jukes right, makes a man miss,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: throws a prayer up to the back of the end zone,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: and by the tippiest of his toes, Greg Lewis gets
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: his feet in, hands on the ball, catches the game winner.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: It's caught greg Lewis. Oh, my heavens, you remember that?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that? That I describe it?
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: The memory is etched in my forever. Yeah, Farv and
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Greg Lewis. Neither of them were in training camp for
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: the Vikings that year. Ultimately, like a lot of time
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: in training camp. They were both late additions to the
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Viking season that year, both of them. That wasn't Greg
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: lewis only catch. Yeah, he wasn't a thousand yard receiver
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: that year. And it's Brett fav one of the greatest
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks of all time. But I think that kind of
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: debunks the whole Like he's he's in the locker room
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: at bit time, he knows the culture. Like football players
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: play football, and especially at tight end two, it's not
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: the biggest of worries for me, and I would offer
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: a rebuttal to your bring it counterclaim that, first of all,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Brett Favre was notorious for taking risks, and most of
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: the time those risks didn't turn out for him lots
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: of times. I think that Greg Lewis situation was one
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: of those times where it did work out and one
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: of the one of the few times that it did
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: work out for him. And to your point, greg Lewis
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: didn't go on to do anything the rest of that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: season really, Like, yeah, sure, he had maybe a few
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: other catches and maybe another touchdown or two, But I'm
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: thinking like longevity of TJ in his role and the
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: fact that he's already been injured once and if he
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: gets injured again, yeah, Like, yeah, Josh Oliver filled in
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: admirably for TJ when he was hurt, and did we
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: have to bring in like Johnny Munt and who else?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Who else came in?
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I was laughing because I looked up Greg Lewis's stats. Dude,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, had.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: You have one touchdown? Was that his only touchdown?
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: He had eight catches for ninety six yards and one touchdown.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Greg Lewis on my head, that's your only touchdown this season?
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Congratulations, Like that was his only Vikings touchdown ever, he
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: was with them for two years. And Josh Oliver has
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: five touchdown with the Bikings. With the Vikings and yeah,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: if it's a guy that's gonna be playing and tied
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: end too, probably plays quite a bit more than like
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: left guard too. But I just it's still if this
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: number were more like twenty than thirty over three years,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: i'd be I feel better.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I get the price tag concern. I think the Vikings also,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and this goes back to Quaycy a little bit. Cauacy
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: kind of maybe backed himself into a corner in terms
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: of cap space. I think as of right now, the
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Vikings have what like eighteen mil in cap space.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which that's probably unless they sign a defensive back
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: or something or have to sign somebody out of desperation
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: because of injury. They're probably not They're probably not using that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: That's probably gonna get rolled over because next year's cap
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: space is like New Orleans Saints level terrible, Like they're
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: gonna need to make some cap saving moves.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Here a year from now, less than a year from
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: now to survive in twenty twenty six.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, But yeah, what were you saying? Well, I just
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: think I don't know.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I like the Josh Oliver move, especially if you're not
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: going to use up all of your cap space this year,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Like why not? Why not honor a guy who's been
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a part of the organization for a couple of years now,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: who's worked hard, and who filled in admirably for you're
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: injured te one. Yeah, and took over as te one
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: for a while there and did well. Played well, was
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: he TJ?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: No, he was not that.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: And he's not the route runner that TJ is. He's
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: not the past blocker that TJ is. He run block well,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: he can run routes well. Yes, And I think he's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a valuable asset to the Vikings, and I think I think,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, he was worth the price tag, especially
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: considering the fact that the Vikings probably aren't going to
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: spend a whole lot of money on anything.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Else this year.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of you said, all of what you
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: just said totally true. I completely agree with all of
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: it about Oliver the tight end, all over the Viking,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Oliver the football player. What I don't agree with is
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: the dollar value being worth it. But I mean it
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: is what it is. That's why we're not we're not
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: the decision makers for the team.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: One thing we definitely don't agree on, and sorry if
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I'm moving on too early, is there's a certain pro
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Bowl level cornerback that was released from his NFC North
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: team this week that a lot of people are saying
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: that I should go get Jay R. Alexander now that
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: he's a free age.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Did you say we wouldn't agree on this.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to agree on this. Wait, wait,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: we might agree on this. I think we might agree.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I think we agree on it.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I think we might agree on this because I don't
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: want to see JR. Alexander in purple. I just don't
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: want to see it. Neither do I and it has
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've lived this story a few times now
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: in our past. Like Brett Favre becoming a Viking, we
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: had to endure that, Aaron Jones becoming a Viking, we
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: had to endure that as well. Both of those turned
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: out to be pretty good. I don't think Jay R.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Alexander is a good fit for the locker room, for
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the defensive squad, just for the Vikings period. I think
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: he kind of has this cancerous type of vibe around him.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: He's a big talker. He's very arrogant, and he talks
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a big game, and he really rarely backed that up,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: especially against the elite wide receivers, Like yeah, I don't
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: know Justin Jefferson.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: So we've got Caitlin Clark women's basketball player guy Indiana
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: player lighting the w NBA on fire, gave that whole
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: league legitimacy. Who's the who's the like the villain to
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: her that she plays for Chicago. I don't remember her name,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: but she's the one that's like, you have people watch
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: because of me too. It's not Chicago Fire. That's a
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: soccer team, and I'm very upset that I know that
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: that's a soccer team. Anyways, there's there's the one other
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: kind of obnoxious women's basketball player that's the angel there.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: It is Alexander reminds me of Angel Reese.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: That's a good comparison. Actually maybe it's unfair, but I
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: can see that. I think Angel Reese is Angel Reese
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: and JayR. Alexander wishes he could be the of the NFL.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't don't knock at though, because Gyr has
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: made a couple of Pro Bowls. I think Jire the cornerback,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: the football player, anybody should be happy with him on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: the field wearing your team's colors. Jyre the teammate, and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the locker room presence. That's that's why he's a free
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: agent right now. He's not good in the locker room.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: He completely dodged Justin Jefferson the last two or three
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: times they played each other. He's just not someone that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: will fit into a good culture.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you look at the last two seasons
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: He's only played seven games and seven games in each
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: of the last two seasons, so he doesn't even have
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a full season under his belt in the last two
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: years in terms of games played. The last time he
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: played a full season was twenty twenty two, and that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: was the last time he was a pro bowler. Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of talent there. Yeah, but
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: you can't argue with that. But I think the talent
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: is overcrowded by ego and by this like entitlement, like
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I play for the Packers and I'm really good, and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: you know, also he sounds like Kermit the front or
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: even more so the worse than Patrick. Yes, like, yeah,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: not to judge people will Will he was a packer.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I can judge him all I want, judge me from
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: my voice all you want to. So yeah, I just
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I don't. I'm sorry that I had that wrong. We
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: agree that we don't want Alexander as a Viking, one
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: because he'd be terrible in the locker room. The pros
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: do not outweigh the cons with him. And two, he'd
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: it's not like he'd be veterans minimum like he'd be
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: probably like Stefan Gilmour costs last year, like tennish million dollars.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I'd rather Stefan Gilmore who is also a free agent.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: But also like, I don't know that the Vikings need
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: to make a move, I mean cornerback room. Yeah, there's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys with potential and really only one
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: guy with Byron Murphy Junior, with actual like proof of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: being good. Everybody else is like, well he could be good,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: or he kind of showed flashes, or he was injured,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: but he was supposed to be okay. But I'd rather
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: roll with that. And then if you get two three
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: games in and it's like they can't cover anything, then
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: you make a move and then you try to desperation
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: trade for or sign someone, and I think you've got
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: some You've got some good stability already in the cornerback room.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: You have Byron Murphy coming back, Mackay Blackman didn't play
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: a lot because of injury, Yeah, but he was out
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: all last year coming back, and then Dwight mcglotherin was
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: around the team.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I think he was more of a practice.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Squad guy, right, Yeah, but he got in a couple
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: of games and that he's one of those like, Ah,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: he's got some decent upside, but he's not like Pro
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Bowl level player yet, but familiar with the system. And
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: then you have the off season signings of Jeff Okudah
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: and Isaiah Rodgers coming in with six years and five
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: years of experience. Well, and Okuda was I think like
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: the third overall pick in the draft a handful of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: years ago, so there's potential there. And Isaiah Rodgers. I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: just saw today that Brian Flores, he was quoted saying
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: something to the tune of I've been following Isaiah Rodgers
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: since he was in college, and I've been wanting to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: coach this guy ever since I first heard about him, like,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: I'm super psyched to have him. Isaiah Rodgers could be
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: a boom or bust kind of guy, Like I think
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: he The only reason he's not already like upper echelon
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: player in the league if the talent's there, is because
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: he was one of the lions that was he one
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: of those lions that got caught with the sports betting stuff,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: which don't do that if you play for professional sports
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: or even amateur like college, don't don't bet on sports
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: that can only be bad for you. I'm pretty sure
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: that's because he was like suspended for a whole year.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I think I saw him tweet today or sometime recently
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: that he wears the number two right now because he
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: got a second chance after being suspended. Like okay, at
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: least you can have that self awareness, like, yeah, I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: messed up. But even so, like we just said that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Lock of the cornerback room really only has one dude
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: that has proven anything. Everybody else is just upside or
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: you know, it could be good or you know, showing
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: a couple of flashes, And I would still take all
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: of that over signing. Alexander agreed.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I think in the ten guys that are listed as
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: cornerbacks right now June eleventh.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I'd take four or five of them.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Over five yr Alexander. I think a lot of Vikings
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: fans would probably resonate with that. Yeah, he's just he's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: more of a problem than he's worth. And is he
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a good athlete, Yeah, he probably is. And does he
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: have a lot of upside, Yeah, he probably does. But
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: he also has a lot of potential to really drag
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: down the progress that's been made in this defensive secondary
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and I don't want that for this team. I want
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores to lead this team into the black with ferocity.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: To quote Dwight Shrewd from the office pounding the electern
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: to put all of this in perspective. At work, one
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: of my coworkers is from Wisconsin and a pretty die
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: hard Packer fan, and we have a lot of fun
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: conversations about that. But the other day I saw the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: tweet that's like.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like the Packers are going to release
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: to Alexander.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: And I just called over to the cubicle down I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, sounds like Alexander's getting cut, And almost before I
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: finished saying the word cut, my coworker was like, good.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: He's a head case all right, and he's a die
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: hard Packer fan, like, Okay, that tells.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Me all I need to know. That settles it, Like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: even Backers fans don't really want him.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he'll find a spot.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And it seems like the Vikings just aren't interested at
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: all at this point, which I'm one hundred percent okay.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I think we're both one hundred percent okay with that.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Don't sign him, let him be somebody else's problem.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I think the Vikings will figure out their cornerback room
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: through the rest of the off season, training camp, preseason,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: all that, and yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to see
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the product that ends up on the field with everything
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: we've talked about from the offensive side of the ball
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Should be a fun season. It's gonna be a good one.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of products, what were your fine thoughts on
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: this tight lines from Lake Time Brewery?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: This one is it's intense, like it's you better buckle
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: up for a ride.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, flavor wise, everything about it seems kind
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: of mellow and pretty good, but like you're feeling it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: seven seven is no joke. Don't mess around with this.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Split a split a six pack with a buddy, yeah,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and you'll be fine.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do a six pack on your own. Yeah,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: you and I were going to be fine tonight. Yea,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: even after three of them. But yeah, it's I really
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: like it. I could totally see if somebody doesn't like
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: I pas them saying like, yeah, that wasn't my cup
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: of tea. You're one that's kind of like hit or
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: miss on ip as. You can you don't mind them,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: but like it's not your favorite.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: In the world.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like you you kind of like it, like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I would definitely get this one again. I probably wouldn't
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: go back time and time again to this one. This
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be like a staple in my beer catalog,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: but it is good, and I like how easy drinking
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: it is. It's not like in your face, super hoppy
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: florally like you know, it's not trying to be an ipa.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: And you said it was intense, but I think that's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: just more because you can you can you can feel
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: the seven seven.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, the seven point is there. Yeah, and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: it's real.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I would go back to this one again. I probably will.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I like it a lot. Everything you said about it,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: i'd agree, And yeah, I mean, the only reason I
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: wouldn't grab this one is if I just had to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: make sure I was good the next day, Like this one,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: If you put a whole six pack down, it better
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: be on a night where you can sleep in the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: next day. And there are definitely beers that are more
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: potent than seven to seven, but seven seven's up there.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: It's it's pretty solid. It's definitely holding its own core.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Sure, well, I liked this Beard. I liked all of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: the stuff that we talked about. I felt like we
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: had a lot to talk about tonight, especially after a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks off.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised by how much we've had to talk about.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to have this much to
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: talk about here next week. But there's always stuff to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: talk about. The NFL is a year round news source,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: so we'll figure it out, even if we have to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: go down the well of maybe we'll play some games
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: or something. I don't know, we'll figure it out. But Yeah,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: it was a great Beard, great episode.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe best one yet.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: School a School the Napaao is NAPO