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S3 31. MUFON – Midnight Mysteries Radio. · Millennial Mustard Seed

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Welcome back to the show everybody.
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I'm so happy that you're here with me again for another
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episode. I have an excellent show
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prepared for you guys. I have Nate here.
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He's coming to us from a cabin deep within the heart of the
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Canadian wilderness. He is the host of midnight
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mystery. He's radio, and he also has his
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own research company called Imperial research and
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investigations. He is the former lead
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investigator for move font of the Canadian chapter and
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overall. He's a really cool guy.
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He cares about this research. He has a ton of experience.
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Has he shares some stories? This is an interview /
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conversation. It really is a fun episode.
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We don't hone in on just one topic as I'm capturing these
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awesome conversation. Taking the journey here on the
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millennial Mustard Seed. Pod cast, this is definitely
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worth your time. I'm not going to waste any more
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time. We're going to jump right into
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this episode. Are you guys ready?
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I'm ready, that's good. Okay, I got an excellent episode
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here for you guys. I have Nathan here from Midnight
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Mysteries radio. He's coming to us from the heart
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of the Canadian voter notice everything that he's going to be
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sharing with us tonight. Nothing is planned.
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You guys know the deal. We just kind of let the spirit
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guide connecting with brothers and sisters all around the world
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at this point, trying to connect the dots encourage each other
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and unveiled the darkness. So Nathan, welcome to the show,
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man. Thank you so much for being
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here. I'm very excited to be here.
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Thanks for inviting me. So tell us a little bit about
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yourself. How you became the Nathan, the
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midnight? Drew's radio, sure, I think now,
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more than ever, you know, Christians need to be having
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these conversations and need to be aware of what's going on
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behind the scenes and years ago. I grew up in a Christian home
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and you know, Deliverance Ministry.
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Spiritual warfare were topics that I heard about quite often
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but had never really encountered until I got out of high school
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and started going to Bible school and it's funny.
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I never intended on becoming. A pastor.
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My dad was a pastor and his dad was a pastor and it just kind of
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goes back and I'm like, I'm never going to be a pastor but
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he ended up becoming a pastor, but before I came a pastor, I
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had gone through my private investigation training to be
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certified and licensed because I've always had an inclination
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towards the investigative method investigative methodology.
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And I thought that might be your dime, I would be interested in
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and I was talking with the head of one of our Justice
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Department's here in Alberta who was a relative of mine and he
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just brought up that, you know, it's not uncommon for people
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like psychics and mediums and which has to submit tips for
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investigations and you know, a lot of them would lead nowhere
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but someone some of them would lead to the outcome of cases.
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Whether it was missing children being found or bodies found or
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criminal convictions and I was kind of shocked and so I asked
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him you know how many Christians are on that list and he said
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none were and it felt like a punch to the gut because I'm
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like whoa hold on cuz biblically we have Daniel Wright.
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Who is interpreted? King Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
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He was put in charge of all the witches and mediums and
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psychics, and and quote-unquote, Wiseman of the time.
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Yeah. And then there's, you know,
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Esther there's Joseph, there's all these different leaders
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throughout the old and the New Testament, who were put in
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positions of authority, based off of either dream
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interpretation or favor in the courts or other ways other
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testimony. And I'm like, why isn't that
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happening today? Like what In the New Covenant
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were filled with the spirit of the Living.
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God shouldn't we have the most accurate information, shouldn't
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we have you know, the first Insight on anything to do with
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the darkness in our world and it set me on this journey myself
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and another close friend, who felt the same way.
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You felt the same conviction to figure out how we could begin to
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start that process. How we could be the modern-day
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Watchmen the you know the builders like My talks about
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where they're building, but at the same time they've got their
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sorts to right. Yeah.
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And watch men are supposed to warn people of when the the
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swords coming, and I can't recall it.
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You GI you, should I try and be prepared when I quote scripture,
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but punch it in to Google or your Bible app.
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And there's a few verses that talk about how if the Watchman
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sees the sword coming and doesn't warn the people.
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God will hold the blood of the people on the watchman's head.
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And yeah, that's always scared me because you know whether I
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planned it or not, God seemed to lead us into this area of, okay,
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how do we be modern a Watchman? How do we be the light in the
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darkness? How do we be the ones who are
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hearing from the Holy Spirit? And, and working with the
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government in these different areas and it said, On this
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journey where we started an investigation company, period,
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research and investigations. And we were, we are prepared.
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We were amped. We were ready to, you know, be
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part of top-secret briefings on these other things and what
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started happening because it would take hours to go through
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this. This whole thing was, we started
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getting calls from people who were looking for deliverance,
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essentially they had, you know, torment in their homes or Just
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really demonic stuff happening in their lives.
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And so we'd start to go through their homes, and we start to
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pray with people, and it was awesome.
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We start seeing fruit, but we're kind of like, well, this isn't
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really what we wanted to do, but we're trusting the Holy Spirit
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and we eventually started seeing is it is it okay that I'm just
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kind of going through all of this right now?
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Absolutely man, keep going. This is great.
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So we as we start going through people's homes, we discovered
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that there were other groups that were going through people's
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homes to try and help them. But these weren't Christian
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groups, these were new age and a cultic groups.
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And what's interesting is that the majority of them didn't
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charge anything, they, they had a genuine heart to try and help
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people. The issue is, they were tapping
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into the wrong Source, right? They were, they were under their
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eyes were veiled to which source they were. they were tapping
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into and so we start to meet with these groups and get to
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know them a bit and I was invited to speak at one of their
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their meetings about the supernatural from a private
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investigators perspective, somebody who has a background in
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Private Investigations and so I went and then I was invited back
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again because we have covered a range of topics before midnight
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mysteries from you know UFOs to zoology to Ancient Giants and
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side essentially go into these groups and and share about these
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topics and what we found from our research and investigative
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capacity. And this one particular time I
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was invited back, I really felt like I was supposed to call out,
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you know, these these Spirits, they were serving because they'd
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always open up their home Cleansing Time in a prayer to
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these various spirits and stuff. I felt like I was supposed to
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You talked about how these Spirits were fallen angels and
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put them on blast essentially. And yes, I was kind of, I was
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kind of. Yeah.
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And I was kind of mourning and grieving, cuz I'm, like, I've
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built a friendship with these people.
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In my heart, had really grow fond of them, right?
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Because I love that, they had a genuine heart for 4 people.
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And what's really cool is that they, you know, they already
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believe that there's a world after this one right there.
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They believe that there's more to life than this.
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So there's So much closer than the everyday person who doesn't
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believe in God, right? And so I was grieving because I
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thought, you know, they were this was going to sever the
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connection and I ended it ended up being nominated speaker of
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the year, which was it was incredible and it was confusing
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but yeah, after a while of doing these home cleansings and stuff,
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we When we actually started getting approached with some
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actual cases Beyond home cleansings, we have to stop and
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pause because we had just fallen in love with going through
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people's homes, and helping them.
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And praying with them that were like, we need to make sure God
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is calling us into the investigation field now because
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just this has made us feel so alive and so humbling.
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And so we there was a Ministry in the states that had heard
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about what we were doing in Florida and they were in contact
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with a with the owners of a haunted house in a different
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state and this haunted house has been in all sorts of different
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TV shows and movies. Discovery Channel, BuzzFeed.
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I think National Geographic had an article about it one time and
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the owners made a pile of money. But It got to the point where
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they were feeling so much torment from owning this home
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that they said, you know, we don't care how much money we're
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making off of it. We need help.
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We need, we need to be delivered of this.
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And so this ministry in Florida, very generously, paid for our
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plane tickets to this to this other state, they paid for
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rental vehicle and they came with us and we met with this
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couple and sat down prayed with them and You know, it was made
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clear to them that unless they gave their life to a higher
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authority, it would just get worse.
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Like yeah, you need to be able to fill the home, otherwise the
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thieves, the the spirits will return with with more.
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And again there's a few different verses that talk about
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how if you don't bind the strong man, or if you chase out The
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spirits from your home, it'll, it'll come back if it's not
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filled, right? Absolutely, any even, even in
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the natural realm, there's no such thing as a void, right?
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Any area that gets broken up or cleared ends up regrowing,
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right? So they ended up getting saved
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and we pray to the home and they sold it.
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And if it was, this is an entirely different topic and we
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don't have time to to dive into it today.
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But this was in the middle of a solar eclipse to and there are
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all sorts of other groups that were like, all sorts of other
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occultic groups and new age groups that made that this was
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like an open portal site. And we're there to like worship.
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And, you know, carry out, hold on one second.
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I'll go forward. Go forward.
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I loving this right now. So like, I feel like I'm like
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we're on this podcast episode and I got questions, but Don't
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want to say a word. I just want to keep listening to
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what you're saying I'm sorry. I'm just kind of talking like if
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I'm talking too much, please let me know.
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Like yeah, no I want I want you to just flow and just give us
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exactly what we're supposed to hear these Back stories.
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And these testimonies, they They've really let the audience
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know. Hey, this is what I do, this is
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what I know I Believe In Christ, right?
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This is my experience. So it is really important to
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call you to just allow you to do your thing there.
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But I do want to ask you like how long ago was this?
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What where's the timeframe at? So this is probably this isn't
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2017. Like we started our
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investigation company. Yeah, we started investigation
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coming in 2014. Oh, Cam and all and the being in
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the states for this house as was in 2017.
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And all of this kind of leads up to how we started.
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Midnight Mysteries. That's all I'm starting pack so
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far, but yeah, that's that's where I'm coming from or keep
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going. Yeah, definitely this is this is
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really good. Sure.
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So yeah, we end up praying through this home.
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It was an amazing experience. We came back to Edmonton, came
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back to Alberta and Covid hits a few years later and we had over
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from 2017. When we went to this this
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haunted house in the states, to 2020, we had continued to pray
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with people go through homes. But we start getting involved in
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some actual investigations to, with with different groups and
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different organizations and could touch on some of those
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later. But 2020 hits.
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And These paranormal, some of these are called two groups
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aren't able to meet in person anymore.
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They had been meeting monthly to have different speakers in
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ourselves included, and so they asked me to host their podcast
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over covid and I was extremely humbled and I was like, you
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know, I gotta, I gotta pray about it.
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And so I sat down with our kind of core Ministry cheek team and
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we prayed about it and I came back to this group and I said,
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you know, I'm I'm happy to host the podcast.
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Just be clear. I'm I get the say over what
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topics we cover, you know, I'm not going to interview, you
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know, certain people that talk about whatever Satanism.
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It's, I made it clear that I had the final say of what what
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topics we would choose. And so I ended up talking about
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Ley lines and all sorts of other stuff and something amazing
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started happening. I would do a Time.
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Tuna at the end of each episode. And I would start talking from
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my perspective as a Christian, as my perspective as a pastor
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and people were being. Whoa.
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Your your pastor and I'm like, yeah, and I started getting
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messages of people who are like, you know, I They were ready to
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give their lives to Christ and over a period of two years
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during covid. We had about 25 salvations from
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this new age Community. The head Pastor over my church,
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came up to me he's like he's like what like what are you
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saying to these people? He's like he's like we have to
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be careful just and he was saying it an encouraging me he
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was a mentor for me. He's like we have to be careful
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that as you know speakers that were not you know, manipulate
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manipulating people by being To charismatic and stuff.
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I'm like listen, the last episode I did was about ghosts
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and the one before that was about wendigos and UFOs.
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I'm like I'm not preaching on these episodes, like this is
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100% the Holy Spirit and it led us to being like okay These
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groups started meeting in person again and we're like, okay, we
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we've seen some incredible fruit from these podcast episodes.
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We think we're going to start our own podcast and so we ended
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up starting midnight Mysteries and we're trying to get a bit
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more regular and get a bit more of a footing for it because
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we're brand new to this this podcast world.
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But that's been our journey thus far.
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So there's so much flavor you're bringing into this episode
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already. I wish we would see more of
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this. Just this painting.
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This is who I am. Yeah, I don't go around beating
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people with the Bible commanding that you have repeat.
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After me I just hear, you know, kind of like I'm Daniel and
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Babylon and yes, Daniel didn't want to leave Babylon.
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If I remember correct. That's true.
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You're in Canada. Now, I wanted to ask you, were
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you born and raised in Canada? My mom's side of the family is
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All-American so I'm a I'm a dual Citizen and my dad's side of the
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family is all Canadian. So I I've, I've got an American
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passport and a Canadian passport, and I went to Bible
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school for two years in the states and then finish the rest
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of my degree here in Canada. So that is so cool, man.
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I've never been to Canada and I can only imagine the difference
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and in today's day, oh yes. Wow, that could be a whole other
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episode. Well already, I literally feel
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like I'm hoping they'll A Part 2 and it apart lie down the road.
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I'm just, I really feel like you're going to bring a lot to
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the table. It feels like every once in a
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while, I'll get somebody on and I don't know a lot about you.
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I heard you on fire theft radio with Chuck months back.
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And like I said, I'm just What is going on here?
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You know and obviously I looked up your podcast and stuff like
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that and checked out some of your episodes from where I am.
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I consider myself like a Watchman on the wall to an
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extent on the show. Him my idea is let's just
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connect and help each other understand dr.
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Michael heizer would say the Bible was written by ancient
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Hebrews to other ancient Hebrews right?
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Like yep. It's not a modern you know so
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it's 20 22 and we figured out the Bible like that.
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Not really knowing what's going on here.
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It's an ancient concept that I feel like entertainment and
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Hollywood and this consumer mentality, and these Generations
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that were watching literally unfold before our eyes.
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It's striking like the end times, man.
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So when I hear somebody come on in there, swinging the bat and
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they're like, I don't care what you think, what you say this is
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my experience I believe in the resurrection of the Christ.
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I'm not sugarcoating. It or ashamed about it.
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That's attractive to me even if some Pastors do tiptoe around.
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These topics is I get a really weird vibe.
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I'm just like, whoa, hold on. Like, yeah, I'll never there's a
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secret backdoor to Christianity, like Shawn Carter would say and
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only some people get in and I'm right.
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No, let's put that on loudspeaker, you know, and but
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enough of me talking, I wanted to ask you what was one of the
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most significant experiences that you had doing this?
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That never left you. Hmm.
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I think one of our one of our first requests for wasn't a
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cleansing per se, it was more prayer for a child, Deliverance
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for child. And there was a friend of a
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friend and this one friend had gotten saved, former big
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sidekick here in Edmonton and he had a friend who was in the
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police force here and his daughter and he was high up
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there to his daughter. His five-year-old daughter had
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been having these reoccurring dreams of a black dog with black
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eyes following her around with her parents severed, heads
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hanging from its jaws and should have these dreams almost
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nightly. And they had taken her to
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psychologists and psychiatrists, and therapists and nothing
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seemed to get rid of these dreams and they couldn't figure
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out what it was. And so he ended up recommending
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us and we weren't there. And listen like Rod.
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We we stepped up because we didn't notice anyone else was in
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this field, but we have the time were like, we don't know what
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we're doing, but we're praying that we're doing things, right?
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And that the holy spirit is God, but like we can see how you
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know, God chose the least, likely people throughout
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scripture and it's just very humbling.
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So went and met with this, this Couple and the daughter ended up
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praying with the daughter and after a few different times, she
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stopped having these dreams completely and they said, she
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just started to flourish because she was starting to get enough
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sleep at night or developmental leap started going back on
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track. And it was just incredibly
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humbling to be like, well, like this.
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They had tried everyone, like, all of the modern-day Solutions
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and nothing nothing was working. I sprang with her is what is,
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what brought the healing and that was 100% through the Holy
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Spirit and it was an open door to minister to them and that
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would be one that's going to stick with me for, for a long
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time. You know, it reminds me of the
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scripture that says bearing ye one another's burdens and so
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fulfill the law. There's nothing that bothers me
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more than to see when kids are being tormented by these this
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Darkness, this invisible enemy, that the World doesn't know how
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to comprehend. Yeah, I hope that answered your
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question because that's better be a testimony for a long time.
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That's, that's powerful man. You were a part of mufon.
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Is that accurate? Yeah, I'm still technically part
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of mufon. Oh, wow, I'm still on their
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website is their community relations director.
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So have you noticed an increase in any of these strange?
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I don't even know what they call them anymore.
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It's a UFO one year and then it's a UAP, right?
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Yeah. Lights in the sky.
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I mean, I've had some experiences personally, I'd
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really like to talk with you off hair about, but I want to know
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from your research, and just everything that you've been a
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part of, is there an increase as time goes on, like, over the
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last couple of years? Where's this kind of always been
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going on but it becomes a little more relevant.
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Now, to the public it's both there is it's definitely
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receiving a lot more public exposure, like especially now
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that the Navy has Declassified videos.
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Other countries are talking about at Frances.
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Former Intelligence minister of intelligence.
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I think his name is Ali on, Juliet, came out.
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And talked about his experience with UFOs and his belief in them
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being either interdimensional or extraterrestrial Canada's Former
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Defense. Minister Paul Hellyer a pastor
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year to go but he was hosting various conferences.
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I think even wrote a book about UFOs and then yeah the
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Department of Defense in the And the UFO disclosure bill in the
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middle of the covid relief. Bill that was just kind of snuck
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in there so it's definitely receiving a lot more public eye.
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But at the same time when we go in to move on to case management
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system, there's a huge spike in UFO reports and there's a
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difference between UFO reports and the classification after an
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investigation for UFO reports in where the Report remains
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unidentified right? Because mufon investigator and I
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was Alberta's. Provincial Chief investigator
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for a couple of years. You try and debunk.
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What it is, right? So you look at astronomical
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events to see if, you know, it could have been a planet or
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meteor or satellite planes balloons, all sorts of other
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stuff, ah, drones now too because they're affordable.
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But after it's all said and done, if it remains UFO, goes
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into a few. My classifications for UFO and
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we always received when I called repeat offenders for UFO
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reports, these are people. These people are looking for
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UFOs in the sky and they will see anything.
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And I got photos or videos, I'm like look, you can see like
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these are lights on an airplane. You can see from, if you Google
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Earth lines, you can see that they're in the same place that
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an airplane would have these lights and then and then we get
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like farmers who have had absolutely no interest in UFOs
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or paranormal, talk. Topics.
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See something and they start googling and they come across
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mufon's website and know they submit a report and you can tell
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because they don't have any of the communities language or
25:16
verbiage right there like that. I don't really know what to call
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it. I saw strange object in the sky
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or I've had a cattle mutilation and the RCMP the One of the
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investigation organizations here in Canada came out investigated
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it and said, you know, what was this thing?
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But they're like, we're generational farmers and we've
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never had something like that happen.
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Like it just doesn't make sense. So we started Googling for and
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came across you guys. What do you think?
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Yeah, we're seeing an increase in those types of reports,
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people who have had no interest, they're not looking for random
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objects in the sky so that they can say they've seen a UFO or
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try and get a UFO report. Filed.
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There's a lot of just regular old Jose submitting UFO reports
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now because they've seen something really weird or
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bizarre Nathan for me. Personally, I've had some
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encounters over the course of my life but nothing like the last
26:14
few years. I'd like to say 2019 is when it
26:18
kind of started and the first podcast for me, most people
26:21
don't know. But this is actually my second
26:23
show on the first podcast was started in 2018 in 220. 19.
26:30
And I was just getting fed up with some of these
26:34
idiosyncrasies that were in a good light and some things that
26:38
we're going on in my private life that I was not a fan of and
26:42
how I would go and try to talk with pastors or other Christians
26:45
is that hey can you pray with me about this or do you know
26:47
anybody else with these kind of experiences and just kind of
26:49
getting shot down and feeling like I was compartmentalize and
26:52
judged and weird like this ain't it or something and but I was
26:56
praying and saying God what is going on?
26:59
Here and then talked with like Marzulli eventually and he's
27:02
like rebuked first ask questions later I'm like, oh I've been
27:06
doing that all wrong. Yeah, but the idea is is I
27:10
didn't want an experience and there's people that reach out to
27:14
me. Some of them.
27:15
I personally know some, I've never met just from this little
27:18
podcast here. Hey what do I do?
27:20
Experiencing this pray for me. It blows my mind because I feel
27:24
like the veil is so much thinner now than even five years ago.
27:29
Go because I remember feeling so alone and feeling kind of
27:32
awkward all the time about these questions on the back burner and
27:36
now it's almost relevant among social classes that I never
27:40
would have figured here in Southeastern Pennsylvania.
27:43
There's strange things happening.
27:45
I'm really curious about your role in time with mufon.
27:49
What exactly were you guys doing with you being a Christian?
27:51
Was that like controversial at all?
27:53
Did they even know how does that work?
27:56
Yeah. So I'm sure At some point they
28:00
found out I'm Christian, but I tried to remain objective,
28:04
right? Like if, if there was
28:06
opportunities to minister to someone or pray to someone or
28:11
felt like I should, I would take it off, move on to official
28:15
channels. So I didn't feel like I was kind
28:18
of abusing my position if it makes sense because I want to
28:22
remain honorable to them. But oftentimes a big.
28:27
Hey, I'd love to continue this conversation.
28:28
Do you mind if I email All you for my personal email, or call
28:31
you, or text you. And and so there'd be times
28:35
right back. Hey, this is my interpretation.
28:38
This is what I found, this is what I've researched, this is
28:40
what I've read about. This is what I believe and I'd
28:44
be able to take it from there and technically we sign a ND, a
28:50
with our mufon positions. But It's funny because I
28:55
literally just said I want to remain on her bolts to them, but
28:58
I've never really stuck with the NTA at all, you know?
29:03
Obviously, if it's sensitive stuff, I like, I don't use
29:05
names, I'm I volunteered with mufon's.
29:10
It's called their Mars program, which was their redaction
29:12
program for a bit. So, I'd go through documents and
29:16
sense of them like, peoples names, addresses, Etc.
29:19
So I'd never share somebody's name or address.
29:23
So I do. You believe, I'm being honest
29:25
that way. But yeah, that's, that's been
29:28
with my experience with mufon, has a pastor and continuing to
29:32
be my experience. So, and now my director is as
29:36
Community, my community relations position.
29:40
I'm really there to bring move on into paranormal communities,
29:44
because, you know, paranormal communities.
29:47
Again, already a lot of them believe in UFOs or have
29:51
experienced some sort of UFO. Activity whether it was
29:55
Supernatural or like the physical craft and it's perfect
30:00
cause I'm already going into these communities to share about
30:03
midnight Mysteries or other topics so it just went
30:07
hand-in-hand. So there's a natural fit I knew
30:11
you were the right guy to have on the Shelf.
30:14
Yeah, my throat. Still hurts a little bit.
30:17
So like I'm like hitting mute on my mic and just I haven't
30:21
laughed in days so thank you just kind of, it's all
30:24
accordingly. It's a joy to know like, oh my
30:27
gosh, that generation is here. Men are rise up.
30:31
We're not going to be ashamed or afraid to talk about The reality
30:37
of what's going on here. Oh I salute Lee.
30:39
Oh yeah for it's funny because like there's a few times I was
30:44
sharing with with some of my pastors and mentors and just not
30:48
mentors but just I was completely dismissed by some
30:51
fellow pastors and it was frustrating because they're just
30:56
the trying to imagine anything. you know, Supernatural for them
31:01
was difficult and I just find it so ironic cuz You know, our
31:07
entire theological background and, and Doctrine in the Bible
31:13
is super centers around. Yeah, it centers around at
31:17
somebody that was killed and they came back to life.
31:19
And it's it's centered around a book that, you know, has men
31:26
turning into animals and donkeys, talking and angels and
31:30
different types of angels and beings with eyes all over them.
31:34
That also have like machine Parts and like, you can't just
31:38
can't ignore that stuff, right? Can't pick and choose what you
31:41
want. So I mean at the very least you
31:43
have to consider that you know this stuff does happen to some
31:48
extent even if we don't have the right definitions for the it
31:53
does happen. And I think that's one of the
31:56
things that has been in the Forefront of my mind.
31:59
Lately is on the show, I have covered a good amount of these
32:04
strange and Supernatural topics and People are asking me and
32:07
like my private life, I'm going church.
32:10
They won't touch it with a ten-foot pole.
32:12
I'm getting the personal responses and questions from
32:16
people and I have my own things that I'm like how do you explain
32:20
this and not growing up a Christian?
32:23
I mean Easter Christmas service, kind of Christian but when I
32:27
gave my life to the Lord and then read through and just had
32:29
this fresh perspective where I'm like wow so is that just did
32:34
somebody hit the switch while writing this book?
32:36
And now this is just fantasy land, okay?
32:38
Now back to law, you guys, and you have strong, I'm trying to
32:42
like explain to them if the church would deal with the
32:45
supernatural. If they would be dealing with
32:48
the body of Christ and the ailments that people suffer from
32:52
these attacks just like the Christ did.
32:55
It's just like the Christ did when he walked on this Earth and
32:58
he was casting out the legions when he came to the other side
33:01
of the lake just like when he would spit into the mud and
33:03
he'll someone's, I just like when he Make declaration either
33:07
with his mouth or in any which way the the Living God was was
33:13
making the supernatural World re adjust.
33:16
According to his word, his commandment.
33:18
He is the embodiment of the word.
33:20
And yep, I would go if the church would touch this stuff.
33:23
I don't need to designate like seventy percent of my time.
33:26
Trying to cover these topics. I have to be in like full speed
33:31
with these topics because nobody else will cover them.
33:33
Well, not nobody else but you know what I mean?
33:35
Like oh yeah. Yeah, all is why we got
33:37
involved. Like I said earlier, I love it
33:39
has, there's no one else doing it.
33:41
I love it but then there's this weighing part of me.
33:44
Where recently, I started like this micro series where I've
33:48
been doing some like 15 minute, 25 minute long episodes in
33:52
between these longer conversations that the audience
33:55
is used to over the last couple years and the idea there is God
33:58
was really putting it on my heart.
33:59
I've been saying for years, the gift of encouragement, we got to
34:02
stir up the gift of encouragement.
34:04
I just keep, I feel like it's so necessary.
34:07
Well it's beyond needed. Let's put it that way, from
34:09
everything. We've all of us around the world
34:11
have been through the last few years.
34:13
People need to just be organically locking arms with no
34:16
ulterior motive in mind but just encouraging.
34:19
So I've really been trying to stir up that gift in myself and
34:23
other people. Second Corinthians talks about
34:25
the different gifts that God gives, and it's just like, what
34:27
Christ says, the wind blows and we don't know where it's coming
34:30
from, but when it's on you, you know, it and I think that the
34:33
body of Christ needs, these kind of reminder, As I limp along
34:39
trying to cover and invite guests on to help us myself and
34:44
everyone else understand this Supernatural world is crisp and
34:47
clear and it is functioning and we can't be ignorant to it any
34:52
longer. So sorry.
34:53
So I don't go rant there. Well, you know, I completely out
34:57
of me just from hearing you and this conversation so far just
34:59
becomes alive in me. No, no, amen.
35:03
I completely agree with all of it, right?
35:06
We have the tendency to just be really dismissive of these
35:10
topics and or even just try and label everything as as demonic
35:15
to right with ya. I'm not sure it says black and
35:17
white is that I agree. My favorite ones and I think I
35:20
talked about this on fire theft too, but you know, growing up.
35:25
I heard that, you know, all ghosts are are demonic but as I
35:30
can as I'm going through. Scripture.
35:32
I'm like, okay, hold on. A reading through 1st Samuel 28,
35:36
and it talks about Saul going to the witch of Endor.
35:40
Yes, and she brings up the the spirit of Samuel.
35:44
And the Bible doesn't say, you know, it's a demon pertaining to
35:49
be the spirit of Samuel. It says Samuel shoots up and
35:52
says, why have you awakened me, right?
35:55
And so you really have to do some theological cartwheels to
35:59
dismiss some of these topics. Absolutely North them.
36:03
So yeah. The which of endures does she
36:05
screams out? If I remember correct.
36:07
So, you know, manik one in the picture here is terrified of
36:10
what's coming. Yeah, yeah.
36:13
And and Samuel talk. So even have in Matthew 17, when
36:18
Elijah and Moses appear on the mountain with Jesus, it's like,
36:23
they were people who died a long time before this moment.
36:26
And all of a sudden there on the mountain with Jesus, like
36:30
anybody passing In going home, that's Elijah and Moses like
36:36
that would be the definition of a ghost, somebody who's passed
36:38
and is now present in our reality, right?
36:42
Or even when Jesus is walking on water and the disciples are
36:45
like, it's a ghost, it could, you know, if if all ghosts were
36:49
demonic, it would have been a really great teaching moment for
36:52
Jesus to be like, no, actually all ghosts are demonic and in
36:59
job somewhere in the middle of the Night.
37:02
He I think it's job for. I should have my scripture in
37:06
front of me so I don't get this wrong but audience check me on
37:08
this. I believe it's job for maybe
37:10
job, six a spirit Glides past him in the middle of the night
37:14
and it says something paraphrasing.
37:16
Along the lines of can a mere man, be more righteous than as
37:19
makers on that doesn't sound demonic to me.
37:22
I mean, no, no, maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like something was
37:27
kind of a comforting him in this suffering, like, dude, you're
37:31
not me. Righteous then God trust, like
37:33
you, like, you don't make Declaration of things you don't
37:35
know about. That's kind of job might take
37:38
from it, but, and in context, because I know a lot of times
37:42
people say, oh, you're jumping around and using scriptures here
37:44
and there, and it's like, I believe once I forgot who said
37:49
this, Nathan, but it was reminded to me more recent than
37:53
not, when aleko quotes this other person who says, if you're
37:58
claiming, you had a supernatural experience.
38:01
Then I would argue you either, like, made it up or and didn't
38:06
really have it or you just weren't paying attention.
38:09
If it doesn't change you like it's almost like you become
38:12
obsessed. Yeah.
38:14
I don't remember. I think it was one of the
38:16
exorcism movies and I'm not saying go and watch.
38:18
This is put, it was one of the exorcism we don't wear too.
38:22
Yeah, I know I remember reading about, I think it was based on a
38:26
true story where there was a agnostic priest, so he didn't
38:30
wasn't sure if he believed in. Not which is just bizarre and
38:33
its own ends up getting involved with some Deliverance stuff and
38:38
he gets confronted by possessed person and he has this instant
38:42
Revelation he's like hold on, if Satan is real that means god is
38:46
real to completely changes him. And that's yeah that's what a
38:51
supernatural encounter should do.
38:53
Should lead you digging and wanting more and studying and
38:58
researching. And I just remember that being
39:00
so profound. And like he changed his life.
39:05
I think everybody knows somebody with a strange Supernatural
39:08
encounter. I mean, really at the end of the
39:09
day, when people take all that like, false Persona of like, oh
39:12
well, this is me, I'm a businessman.
39:14
Or I'm the Sous that, like, I've noticed, like, over time as
39:17
people, like warmed up to me. And some people used to make fun
39:20
of me for this. Call me and text me, and be
39:22
like, yo, what do you think about this?
39:23
And I'm like, go read job. The word, man, I can't help you.
39:27
Yeah. Even if we have a glimpse, it's
39:32
enough in my opinion to keep it on the back burner.
39:39
Now I don't normally like, go down this route.
39:41
I've mentioned this on the show a couple times but I had gotten
39:45
jump when I was in my early early 20s 19, 20 years old and I
39:50
had a minor out-of-body experience.
39:52
Hmm, sounds like threatening hey, oh yeah, it was definitely
39:55
a near-death encounter. The reason I bring that up, is
39:59
everything changed for me. After that, I was watching my
40:02
friends frolicking through life, going to college some, go into
40:06
the military. Some of them, they're not here
40:08
anymore. Or because of, you know, drugs
40:10
and crazy stuff, car accidents, drinking and driving, but I
40:15
dealt with like PTSD for years. After that was so significant
40:19
and it wasn't until I could really understand that God can
40:24
use things that seem like they're so dark or so like, why
40:28
my life, right? When I'm getting ready to
40:30
Blossom and I should have like, you know, did this or did that?
40:32
Why was I dealing with stress and couldn't get out of my own
40:36
head? And why was I so obsessed with?
40:37
Well, what the heck? Heck is going to happen when I
40:39
really do die. And I remember being like kind
40:41
of upset because I'm like, I'm in my Prime.
40:44
I'm like 20 years old. Yeah, now in my mid-30s I'm
40:47
going God, I'm sorry like you humbled me.
40:53
God can use these rough situations or these testing
40:57
time. Even if you're not calling on
40:59
his name, he still knows you. He still sees you and I hope
41:03
that that's encouragement that God is on the throne.
41:07
The resurrection is real. All of these dark entities.
41:11
They bowed down at the name of Christ and he loves each one of
41:16
us. I mean, that's how we fell in
41:19
love with, with delivering stuff, right?
41:21
Because there's There's people that are looking for help, they
41:25
there's a need that needs to be filled and it's just clear that
41:29
the church isn't currently stepping up to the plate to
41:32
fulfill that need. And we are seeing people.
41:36
And that's not to say everyone is called to do the types of
41:40
things. You and I are talking about, I
41:42
don't believe that at all but at the same time they're there
41:45
isn't enough, right? And we have been training a few
41:49
more people, but I only believe that it's going to get Not to
41:53
not to give the enemy credit, but I do believe, it is going to
41:55
get darker and darker until you know, Christ returns to some
42:00
extent. I do believe that the light is
42:02
going to be moving. Just as powerfully that there
42:04
will be many more saved and healed and delivered, but there
42:10
are dark days ahead as the enemies moving behind the scenes
42:14
and throughout the land. And I think now more than ever
42:17
Christians, need to be talking about these things, warning
42:21
people, and that doesn't mean No standing on a soapbox on the
42:24
corner with a megaphone shouting at people as they walk by, but
42:30
just through everyday conversations with our neighbors
42:33
and with people to grocery store and gas stations.
42:36
And, you know, one of our commissions from from Bible
42:40
schools was like, don't go home and try and impress people with
42:43
all this knowledge and and theology, is it go home?
42:47
And I mean, we're all students still, it's go home and take out
42:51
the trash. When you have them in a store,
42:53
mow the lawn or help carry your neighbors groceries in or pay
42:58
for something ahead of you with a little note, saying I'm
43:01
praying for you or God cares about where you're at and and
43:04
those are the types of things that that plant seeds and those
43:07
are the type of things that change people.
43:10
So very well said. And my wife is going to be
43:14
looking at me when she listens to this part of the episode
43:18
going to take the trash out more.
43:19
What are you doing, man? Yeah.
43:22
It's so true man. It's so true.
43:25
Christ says, you shall know my disciples by the love.
43:28
They have for one another. So Nathan.
43:31
What is the plan moving forward? With the podcast?
43:34
You guys are a newer show. Do you plan on doing like
43:37
interview dealing with stories? You have like listeners sending
43:41
in stores. You plan on interviewing people.
43:43
Like what? Just, just to give my listeners
43:45
and idea as they look for you here down the road, like what
43:49
are you guys gonna do? Absolutely.
43:51
So, We started off just being like Hey we're going to just
43:56
kind of talk about these topics and our first three or four
44:00
episodes were on topics. We've done time and time again
44:05
and it's probably another few episodes we could do on stuff.
44:09
We're really familiar with, at some point, we want to do
44:12
another one on Ley lines, but we realized very quickly that we're
44:15
not experts on everything and we knew that going into it but
44:19
we're like wow we're going to we're going to run out of
44:21
content really? If we don't start having other
44:24
people on, or if we don't turn it into more of a conversational
44:27
podcast, more radio radio style podcast because we were doing
44:32
all scripted prior to. So we tried a couple of just
44:34
back and forth, where we talked about some different topics.
44:38
We did one on Cults and secret societies that way, and then
44:42
we're switching to. Okay, we need to start bringing
44:46
in guests for for each episode on different topics and we're
44:51
kind of a hybrid. David podcast in terms of, you
44:54
know, where we're Christian hosts but it's not overtly
44:59
Christian. I mean, there's I mean we just
45:01
interviewed judge Burton, right? So like there's there's topics
45:06
that are very clearly Christian and from a Biblical Christian
45:09
Perspective but it's not a Christian podcast per se.
45:13
Does that does that make sense? Lutely.
45:16
Absolutely. It's very similar to where we
45:17
were going into these groups before and talk about these
45:20
topics, but it wasn't necessarily us.
45:22
I was preaching or conversing with other Christians so we're
45:26
still trying to figure that out. We're still new and and learning
45:30
and growing. But that's the that's the
45:32
general direction. Going forward is having guests
45:35
on to share about different topics and it's going back and
45:37
forth with them before I ask my next question.
45:40
I wanted to bring up that I think is super significant is
45:43
the body of Christ, being in agreement.
45:47
And a lot of the times, people think.
45:49
Oh, you gotta close this church and that church.
45:51
And we have to be Like whatever. Like know the idea is the Bible
45:55
says, one Spirit one mind and one baptism right in Christ.
45:59
And in the power of who he is, and I just want to say that from
46:03
my listeners, especially here in Southeastern Pennsylvania.
46:07
You guys know when the show we've been calling to the body
46:09
of Christ. Pray for each other encourage
46:12
each other and let's lock arms for the days moving forward.
46:15
But just to make the clarification, it's not about
46:18
closing down a denomination. I think.
46:21
I've been trying to show you guys.
46:22
You're on this podcast that. Let's highlight what people have
46:26
right? Instead of trying to write a
46:27
book about what's wrong with this or do you spend too much
46:30
time? Let's try to highlight what we
46:32
have right and continue to agree on the power of Christ.
46:36
Now, Nathan, you're in the Canadian wilderness.
46:39
What does that even mean? Like, are you 30 miles of the
46:42
next leg Town? Yeah.
46:45
So we can I comment on your last point.
46:47
They're just really quick solution and then I'll drop it.
46:49
Yeah. So I like we're the the church
46:53
on part of we're midsize church and we're a non-denominational
46:57
church, which means that were a multi-denominational church.
47:00
Like we have all sorts of different denominations and
47:03
backgrounds and I think it's Sookie.
47:06
What? Said that unless unless it's a
47:10
Salvation issue, there's going to be different interpretations.
47:13
That's right. And and it's we have to
47:16
understand that we're one body many parts that were all card
47:20
called to different parts of our society and culture and that may
47:23
look different for for one person than it does the other.
47:26
But I think of when Paul talks about the the meat before the
47:30
idols and he says, you know, if you feel conviction not to eat
47:34
the meat because it's been offered to idols, Owls then
47:37
don't eat the meat but if you don't feel conviction to not eat
47:40
the meat and go ahead and eat the meat and I think whenever we
47:45
talk to other Christian speakers or listen, we need to take the
47:47
meat and throw the bones. Yes, that's the way we're going
47:51
to be able to go together because we'll never agree on on
47:54
absolutely everything. And again unless it's core
47:58
salvation issue, we need to be prepared to set aside our
48:02
differences and Minister together.
48:04
So amen. What was your Is your question?
48:07
Oh yes, I remember Canada's. So the states has about 10 times
48:13
the population as Canada. We're really kind of spread out
48:17
until you hit about central Canada and then it's like
48:21
Wilderness up North with very few people.
48:25
Yeah. So Edmonton is Alberta's capital
48:29
city and Edmonton's called the gateway to the north because
48:33
it's Canada's largest. Northernmost City.
48:37
And it's funny cuz we're still about central Canada, but we're
48:41
the largest city northward and we used to be the last stop for
48:48
supplies, for the gold miners and coal miners, and all sorts
48:54
of other occupations as they went North and railroad workers.
48:59
So, that's where we're broadcasting from.
49:01
Lots of wilderness around here, lots of mountains, lots of
49:05
Sasquatch and For activity. We have a little area set up
49:10
where I work and that's where we broadcast from.
49:12
And we do play on the whole Cabin in the Woods thing.
49:16
We love you know it but it is a bit of an exaggeration to.
49:20
So all right I got a comment on that.
49:23
Sure, the last stop to the north right and he's like, you know,
49:26
nugget men are coming in with like leather and guns and
49:28
they're like, we're going for gold.
49:30
Do they ever come back pretty much everyone northward is
49:35
either like An old generational minor like from a hundred years
49:42
ago or like homeless hippies. Like those are the two types of
49:46
people you find find North a lot of First Nations groups to, but
49:50
again just very spread out. So I have had dreams of hitting
49:55
the Canadian wilderness but I don't think I'm built for that
49:58
would definitely need a jacket. Do they have a Chick-fil-A up?
50:02
No, do Chick-fil-A's. We do have Popeyes now though.
50:06
And like, Popeyes are shooting up across the city.
50:09
Oh well I'm very popular. Yeah, it's very cool man.
50:13
Yeah, it's been a pleasure to talk with you.
50:16
I loved everything that you were saying here tonight and I feel
50:20
like you guys are going to do exactly what you're setting out
50:23
to accomplish just thankful that I got to interview you and talk
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with you. And yeah, it's been a huge
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pleasure, I love doing episodes like this.
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So yeah, any time in the future that you want, To talk or chat.
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I'm I'm happy to do so. Well, tell the listeners where
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they can find you Nathan where they can find your show and
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anything else that you want them to know about.
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Sure. So our investigation companies
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called a period or research and investigations Imperial is Latin
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for exposing light. Then midnight Mysteries is on
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Instagram as midnight Mysteries radio and that's all of our
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links are. There we do a bunch of posts
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around different topics and then I've started up a different one
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when I say start it up, I mean, I created the logo and that's as
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far as I've gotten. Our podcast called paranormal
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pastor and it's more of these topics, but from Strictly a
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Christian perspective to Christians.
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Whereas again, like I said, earlier midnight Mysteries is
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more of a bridge podcast for it's not overtly as Christians.
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So those are my, my handles I guess that is it that's the
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show. If you guys found this episode
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to be helpful to be encouraging, if you learn something new, I
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ask that you would share this with a friend.
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Friend, a family member, A co-worker, your neighbor, share
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it with your pastor coming to you from Southeastern
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Pennsylvania. God Bless America.
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Goodbye.