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Murder suspect slits own throat in court, now says he DESERVES NEW TRIAL because of it. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The last time family and
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Speaker 1: friends saw twenty four year old Sydney Loof was in
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Speaker 1: this snapchat as she was preparing for a second date
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Speaker 1: with the woman she met on Tender Just like so
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Speaker 1: many others the popular dating app leading to one million
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Speaker 1: dates a week. Luf seen smiling in the photo on
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Speaker 1: November fifteenth, writing ready for my date before vanishing now
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Speaker 1: her date. Twenty three year old Bailey Boswell and fifty
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Speaker 1: one year old Aubrey Trail being called persons of interest
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Speaker 1: by Nebraska police by their own statements on social media.
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Speaker 1: We believe that Aubrey Trail and Bailey Boswell were two
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Speaker 1: of the last people who have known to ben Lift
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Speaker 1: Sidney prior to her disappearance. The search for Loof beginning
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Speaker 1: when she missed a shift at the home improvement store
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Speaker 1: where she worked. Her worried family pleading for help. Someone
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Speaker 1: knows something, Please do the right thing. A shocking moment,
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Speaker 1: a man accused of strangling his twenty four year old
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Speaker 1: Tender date, Sydney Loof to death with an extension cord,
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Speaker 1: tries to slash his own throat in court after screaming
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Speaker 1: out his killer girlfriend is innocent. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Did fifty two year old Aubrey Trail
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Speaker 1: murder and dismember a twenty four year old girl Sidney
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Speaker 1: Loof in Nebraska? His girlfriend, his henchman in crime, Bailey Boswell,
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Speaker 1: twenty five years old herself? Did she help him murder
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Speaker 1: and dismember the girl? In court this perv, Aubrey Trail
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Speaker 1: slashes his own throat during a court hearing, screaming out
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Speaker 1: Bailey's innocence, and I curse you all. I'll never forget
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Speaker 1: getting a curse put on me at the end of
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Speaker 1: a sentence. A really rich dude, let's say he was
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Speaker 1: a multi millionaire, had whopped his wife in the head,
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Speaker 1: then set the house on fire, his mansion, and when
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Speaker 1: the fire department pulled up, he was lounging Alla Romanesque
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Speaker 1: and the yard across the street. They talked to him
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Speaker 1: for about three full minutes as farmer were rushing other
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Speaker 1: farmer were rushing toward the mansion, and only then did
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Speaker 1: he go, oh, yes, my wife's in there. Just you know,
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Speaker 1: how did he get out the window at three am?
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Speaker 1: Fully dressed pant shirt, belt, car keys, wallet, shoes, The
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Speaker 1: works and his wife dies from the blaze, just like
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Speaker 1: here straight out to Dave maat crime online dot Com,
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Speaker 1: investigate a reporter, what happened? Nancy has started with the
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Speaker 1: mobile phone app called Tender. Sydney Luf's twenty four years
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Speaker 1: old and just trying to find, you know, like everybody else,
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Speaker 1: trying to find you know, buddy that she can connect with.
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Speaker 1: She had gone out with Bailey Boswell, the twenty five
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Speaker 1: year old girlfriend of Aubrey Tail, who you are already
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Speaker 1: talking about. He was fifty one, Bailey was twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Sydney Louth was twenty four. She and Bailey connected on
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Speaker 1: Tender and this was their second date, Okay, And what
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Speaker 1: we know is that during the second date, Bailey Boswell
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Speaker 1: picked up Sydney Sydney Louth at her home. But to
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Speaker 1: that point that apparently Boswell and Trail had a game
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Speaker 1: plan to kill Sydney Luth that night. And when about
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Speaker 1: doing the most heinous crime you can possibly imagine, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about shocking videos showing a man slashing his
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Speaker 1: throat during his own trial from murder in Nebraska there
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Speaker 1: in the courthouse, screaming out his girlfriend's innocence. Listen, you guys.
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Speaker 1: Jake Wisikowski, senior reporter with cam TV three News, Now,
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Speaker 1: I just giving me a look at what's going on.
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Speaker 1: How in the middle of court after some testimony this morning,
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Speaker 1: Aubrey Trail, on trial for the first degree murder of
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Speaker 1: a Sydney Loof and the disappearance of Sydney Loop, actually yelled,
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Speaker 1: yelled a statement, and then and then apparently slashed his
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Speaker 1: throat or tried to slash his throat multiple times. So sorry,
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Speaker 1: a little out of breath. We just kind of ran
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Speaker 1: out of the court room. That's what I can tell
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Speaker 1: you is that there was a couple of witnesses that
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Speaker 1: had just got done with testimony, an FBI agent then
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Speaker 1: and a person at the hotel they had stayed with
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Speaker 1: after this appearance of Sydney Loop, and then Trail says,
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Speaker 1: Bailey is innocent, to hell with you all, to damn
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Speaker 1: you all, something along those lines, and then started apparently
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Speaker 1: slashing his throat multiple times. As you can see, they're
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Speaker 1: backing up the ambulance. The two accused of suffocating and
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Speaker 1: dismembering a young woman, Bailey Boswell, the codefendant girlfriend, and
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Speaker 1: Aubrey Trail, the so called tender killer victim Sydney Loop
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Speaker 1: take a listen again to our friend at GMA, Amy Robot,
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Speaker 1: Police and the FBI beginning their search, combing through digital
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Speaker 1: evidence and looking for Boswell in Trail, who allegedly left
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Speaker 1: town after Sydney's disappearance. We we spent the last few
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Speaker 1: days watching ourselves being slamed and crucified in the newspapers.
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Speaker 1: We thought it was time we had our say, the
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Speaker 1: two posting this now deleted video to social media. She
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Speaker 1: is a sweet, amazing girl, Boswell, saying in the video
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Speaker 1: that she dropped Sydney off after their date. She asked
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Speaker 1: me to drop her off at a friend's house, so
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Speaker 1: I did so. I gave her my number. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: haven't heard from her since. The pair now in police custody,
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Speaker 1: reportedly being held on a federal person of interest warrant
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Speaker 1: in the disappearance of Luke straight Out to Dave Mattcrime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Now, the fifty one year
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Speaker 1: old male Aubrey Trail's defense is arguing Sydney's death was
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Speaker 1: an accident. So what somebody has an accidental death and
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Speaker 1: you dismember them. Hold on, Jason oceans. What about that.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to unintentionally dismember, Nancy. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: a pretty intentional act, notwithstanding destruction of a body. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with anything on the defense side, other
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Speaker 1: than other total you know, mentally incompetent psycho sociopaths that
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Speaker 1: engage in something like that. Other one get rid of
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Speaker 1: the evidence to Karen Start and your psychologist. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at Karenstark dot com. Apparently, he admits to
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Speaker 1: strangling his girlfriend's female tender date in a five way
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Speaker 1: sex fantasy that went wrong. Okay, a fantasy is one thing,
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Speaker 1: but she's dead. Karen Stark, What does this tell you? Well,
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Speaker 1: it tells me Dad, it didn't go wrong, Nancy, that
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Speaker 1: they were living out this fantasy there. Certainly we know
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Speaker 1: everyone knows the difference between having a fantasy and actually
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Speaker 1: somebody being dead and dismembering their body. So he intended
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Speaker 1: to do this from the start. They were actually out
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Speaker 1: there soliciting somebody, and this poor instant girl thought she's
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Speaker 1: going on a day. He claims the victim took part
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Speaker 1: in his fantasy voluntarily. He said that his real girlfriend
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Speaker 1: Boswell just twenty five with whom he lived, was wiped
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Speaker 1: out on drugs and had no idea what was going on.
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Speaker 1: Is there any evidence to refute that? To Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: forensics professor Jacksonville State University, what proves the case against
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Speaker 1: the girlfriend? Well, I think that her willing participation. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: She's the one that actually engaged and helped target first
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Speaker 1: off this poor woman, and then she went out and
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Speaker 1: physically made contact with her and then took this girl
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Speaker 1: after they kind of prepped her, took her out on
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Speaker 1: another date, and then brought her back at some point
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Speaker 1: in tom in which this fantasy was inact. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, twenty days after she vanished, digital clues
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Speaker 1: leading authorities to what they believed to be Luf's body.
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Speaker 1: We do believe that there is evidence of foul play.
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Speaker 1: Sydney Luke's family reacting to the news on Facebook, saying
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Speaker 1: may God grant eternal rest unto thee. We love you Sidney,
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Speaker 1: Her friends telling us she was careful when using the
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Speaker 1: dating app. She actually always sat a picture of the
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Speaker 1: person that she was going on a date with. She
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Speaker 1: would let us know what it was going to be
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Speaker 1: at her house, their house in public. We are talking
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Speaker 1: about shocking video showing a man slashing his throat during
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Speaker 1: his own trial from murder in Nebraska. There in the courthouse,
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Speaker 1: apparently he admits to strangling his girlfriend's female tender date
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Speaker 1: in a five way sex fantasy that went wrong. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so she goes, She targets her, she brings her out
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Speaker 1: on a date, then delivers her to the murder scene.
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Speaker 1: Is there at the time of the murder, and apparently
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Speaker 1: managed to at the very best, wake up in her
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Speaker 1: drug induced haze and dismember the body. To Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: forensics professor Jacksonville State University, I think she was there
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Speaker 1: for the whole thing. Yeah, I'd have to agree as well, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is dismembering the body is
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Speaker 1: not as very as simple as someone might think. This
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Speaker 1: is a highly involved action. You know, when this poor
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Speaker 1: young woman's body was eventually found, it had already been
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Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic bags. This gives you an indication if
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Speaker 1: you're going to participate in this kind of behavior, there
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Speaker 1: has to be prep work that is done in order
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Speaker 1: to facilitate that. And I don't think this guy acted alone.
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Speaker 1: I think that they're in concert together in this event.
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Speaker 1: So question you, Jo Scott, what would prove this was
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Speaker 1: no accident? Well, the fact I think that they specifically
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Speaker 1: traumatized this girl in some particular way. What they're going
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Speaker 1: to be looking for. And I don't know how difficult
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Speaker 1: this might be given the decomposition of the remainings, because
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Speaker 1: remember her body was not found for another week after
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Speaker 1: these two were arrested. That could compromise any kind of
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Speaker 1: hemorrhage that was there, say, for instance, in her airway.
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Speaker 1: But they have something specific, Nancy, because what they're talking
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Speaker 1: about here is that she died of an asphyxial type death.
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Speaker 1: That means that she was either smothered, suffocated, or asphyxiated
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Speaker 1: with a ligature. So let me understand this. He the
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Speaker 1: killer is saying it was asphyxiation. So how could we
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Speaker 1: other than his statement, how could we prove that physically? Well,
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Speaker 1: let's say, for instance, that her head is still intact
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Speaker 1: and that we can observe her eyes. Those particular hemorrhages,
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Speaker 1: those little penpric hemorrhages that cause as a result of
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Speaker 1: pressure being built up in the vascular system, they kind
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Speaker 1: of explode in the eyes that would still be visible
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Speaker 1: at that point. There are also other surfaces within the
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Speaker 1: body that are going to carry hemorrhage. If her neck
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Speaker 1: is still intact this area, let's say, for instance, there's
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Speaker 1: a ligature that's applied to this the skin beneath the
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Speaker 1: tissue beneath the skin can actually be observed. You can
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Speaker 1: find hemorrhage in what's referred to as the strap muscles
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Speaker 1: that run adjacent to the windpipe, and that can give
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Speaker 1: an indication of asphyxiation as a result of a literature strangulation.
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Speaker 1: When you keep saying hemorrhages, you're talking about bruises, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Nancy. And these bruises are going to
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Speaker 1: take the form, say, for instance, that we're talking about
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Speaker 1: a chord that's going to have a very line like
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Speaker 1: or linear appearance, as opposed to if someone actually used
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Speaker 1: their bare hands to choke her. That's going to have
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Speaker 1: a kind of a broader area of hemorrhage that's easily
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Speaker 1: delineated at the morgue. Dave macmoyen, you know, the fact
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Speaker 1: that Sydney's body was not recovered whole is indicative of
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Speaker 1: the fact that Aubrey Trail had this planned out way
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Speaker 1: in advance. Just by the fact that her body was
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Speaker 1: found fourteen different pieces, chopped up and wrapped in plastic.
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Speaker 1: All of the items had to have been bought beforehand. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, the defense idea that Aubrey Trail, in a
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Speaker 1: moment of passion that got out of hand, ended up
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Speaker 1: accidentally suffocating the woman. But he just so happens to
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Speaker 1: have fourteen spare bags off to the side that he
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Speaker 1: purchased at you know, your local hardware store and then
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Speaker 1: chopped up the body into fourteen different pieces and then
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Speaker 1: scattered them along the highway. That just blows the idea
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Speaker 1: of an accidental suffocation death out of the water. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Court documents confirm grizzly details and the death of Sydney
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Speaker 1: Loop and also says that the killing was premeditated and
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Speaker 1: not an accident as Aubrey Trail has previously stated. The
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Speaker 1: criminal complaints says that Trail acknowledged that he strangled Loof
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Speaker 1: to death with an extension. Court He also said that
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Speaker 1: Boswell assisted in cleaning up the crime scene and assisted
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Speaker 1: in disposing of Loof's body. Her body was found in
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Speaker 1: December in rural Clay County. The court documents also say
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Speaker 1: that body parts were found in several different trash bags
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Speaker 1: in Clay County. The court documents also say that surveillance
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Speaker 1: video from a home depot show Boswell and Trail buying
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Speaker 1: what and prosecutors say are supplies and tools for killing
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Speaker 1: Loof before she even disappeared. To you, Dave Mack, how
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Speaker 1: will this entire drama in court, a suicide attempt affect
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Speaker 1: the case against him? Aubrey Trail was found guilty of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder, but he was also found guilty of
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Speaker 1: criminal conspiracy to commit murder. Well, here's the thing, Jason Oceans,
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Speaker 1: a defendant, a suspect can ask for him trial because
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Speaker 1: something unfair happened in court, right, either there was a
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Speaker 1: bad ruling or the state did something wrong. But when
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Speaker 1: he causes the commotion himself, it's gonna be tough for
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Speaker 1: him to get trial. That's on him. It is on him,
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Speaker 1: you know, again the court, you know, if that's appeal
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Speaker 1: that goes through and the defense files emotion from miss
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Speaker 1: Riles denied, you know, that that could be appealable to
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Speaker 1: the extent that the court found that it was such
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Speaker 1: a oh place, stop it, stop it, stop at Jason,
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Speaker 1: because then he could get another trial and do it again.
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Speaker 1: Try to try to strangle himself. It's fine, and he
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Speaker 1: did cause it. I'm just saying procedurally from that perspective,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Oh, Nancy hold on a second. Attorneys, Aubrey Trails
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Speaker 1: attorneys have asked for a new trial. One of the
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Speaker 1: oddest things about this case has been the actual trial
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Speaker 1: where Aubrey Trail at trial tried to cut his own
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Speaker 1: throat and yelled and screamed stuff about how his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: was innocent and all that. Well, look, I want you
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Speaker 1: to keep something in mind. Fourteen days of testimony, two
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Speaker 1: days of jury selection, and it still took a jury
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Speaker 1: less than three hours to convict this guy. Now, his attorneys,
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Speaker 1: Aubrey Trail's attorneys, they're claiming that when Aubrey Trail tried
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Speaker 1: to cut his own throat in court and was yelling
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Speaker 1: and screaming that his girlfriend Bailey was innocent, right that
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Speaker 1: he did that in front of the jury, They're saying
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Speaker 1: that the judge should have declared a mistrial. Right then,
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Speaker 1: because of Aubrey Trail doing that in front of the jury,
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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that his lawyers are citing
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Speaker 1: as a reason for getting a new trial. Now. They
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Speaker 1: even cited some other irregularities, Okay, in their reasoning for
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Speaker 1: wanting a new trial. They actually cited misconduct by the jury,
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Speaker 1: but no specific examples were provided for that. So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's part one of this big bag of crazy. Part
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Speaker 1: two was that Aubrey Trail actually asked for the jury
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Speaker 1: that actually convicted him to not be the ones to
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Speaker 1: sentence him. He asked for a three judge panel to
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Speaker 1: do the sentencing. They have yet to set the date
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Speaker 1: for that hearing, so we don't even know about a
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Speaker 1: death penalty yet, but we know that right after the
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Speaker 1: trial he immediately files saying that the judge in the
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Speaker 1: case should have declared a mistrial after Aubrey Trail slashed
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Speaker 1: his own throat in court in front of the jury.
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Speaker 1: It's not getting a new trial. Listen, it was four
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Speaker 1: weeks of testimony, nine exhibits, and you know, they weren't
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Speaker 1: even out for three hours, and I don't even think
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Speaker 1: they had exhibits delivered until an hour after they went out.
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Speaker 1: We had the jury duly panels and swore d well
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Speaker 1: into truly try and true deliverance make between the State
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Speaker 1: of Nebraska and Aubrey C. Trail the Defendant, Do find
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Speaker 1: the said defendant as to the charge of count one,
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Speaker 1: murder in the first degree, guilty of murder in the
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Speaker 1: first degree, quite purposely and with deliberate and premeditated malice,
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Speaker 1: killing Sydney luth On about or between November fifteenth and
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Speaker 1: Door sixteenth, twenty seventeen, in the County of Sling, State
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Speaker 1: of Nebraska. We the journy do Liam Candleton swarm, do
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Speaker 1: well and truly try and true deliverance make between the
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Speaker 1: State of Nebraska and Aubrey C. Tram the defendant, Do
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Speaker 1: find the said defendant as to the charge of count
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Speaker 1: two conspiracy criminal conspiracy to commit murder in the first
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Speaker 1: degree Guilty the criminal conspirat see man Murder in the
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Speaker 1: first degree Dave Matt What more do you know? Nancy
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Speaker 1: Bailey Boswell is the much younger girlfriend of Aubrey Trails,
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Speaker 1: and as it's been reported in the media, it's almost
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Speaker 1: like a setup that he's the older, crazy guy, the deviant,
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Speaker 1: and she that Bailey somehow might be a victim of
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Speaker 1: his master plan. I don't see it like that when
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Speaker 1: you actually look at the information that we have available.
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Speaker 1: Bailey Boswell was involved in planning. She was involved in
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Speaker 1: communicating with Sydney in this particular case, but other young
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Speaker 1: women as well who could have been victims. She was
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Speaker 1: involved in buying the plastic that was going to be
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Speaker 1: used to wrap up the body parts of Sydney. She
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Speaker 1: was involved in getting rid of the body parts of
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Speaker 1: She even posted a video on Facebook to try to
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Speaker 1: pretend that all was well. I mean, she was a
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Speaker 1: part of this plot from beginning to end. Make no mistake,
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Speaker 1: Bailey Boswell is not a victim at all, and her
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Speaker 1: trial this fall will prove that. Clime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call the night that eighteen, a
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old is gunned down. Joining me right now, syndicated.
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Speaker 1: Talk to your host Dave mcdave. What happened. Police were
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Speaker 1: called because there was a report of a young person
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Speaker 1: breaking into cars with a knife. Multiple police converged on
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Speaker 1: the scene. And when we first see the you can
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Speaker 1: hear on that nine one one or the dispatch calls
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Speaker 1: back and forth between law enforcement and dispatch that they
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Speaker 1: drive through a parking lot of a Burger King. That's
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Speaker 1: on the dash cam video that we can see as
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Speaker 1: LaQuan is trying to run away from the police. Okay,
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Speaker 1: stop right there, stop right there, you're telling me. In
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Speaker 1: the video you see the seventeen year old running from police. Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: You actually can see him run directly in front of
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Speaker 1: one of the dash cam videos that clearly shows him
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Speaker 1: spreading through the Burger King parking line. Why was he
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Speaker 1: running from police? Well, they were called because they had
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Speaker 1: a report that there was somebody breaking into cars and
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Speaker 1: that the perpetrator allegedly had a knife. That was the
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Speaker 1: first call. When police arrived, he took off. What I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to determine is whether he was a threat. Kenney Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Prosecutor. When you have a fleeing felon, if they
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Speaker 1: pose a threat like they're firing a gun or they're
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Speaker 1: armed and dangerous, that allows police to shoot them. In
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Speaker 1: this case, I'm not hearing that. I'm hearing he is
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Speaker 1: breaking into cars, that he had a weapon on him,
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Speaker 1: then that certainly is a threat for police. But where
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Speaker 1: this changes is that the young man was walking away
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Speaker 1: from the hold on. Hold on, Kenya, Kenya Johnson. You
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Speaker 1: know you've had a lot of courtroom with success. But
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Speaker 1: let me give you a little phrase you may want
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Speaker 1: to use in the future. Don't bring a knife to
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Speaker 1: a gunfight. Okay, all he how is a knife. The
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Speaker 1: cops are armed, they're armed with and they're wearing bulletproof vests.
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Speaker 1: So he has a knife and he's running away, as
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Speaker 1: you accurately pointed out what happened. Then, Dave Mack, police
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Speaker 1: surrounded LaQuan as he runs through the Burger King parking lot.
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Speaker 1: He is trying to get away. The police pretty much
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Speaker 1: surround him on three different sides as he walks down
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Speaker 1: the middle of the street. Now they're yelling multiple commands,
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Speaker 1: dropped the knife, get down, and he's not responsive to that.
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Speaker 1: But he's not facing any of them. He's walking away.
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Speaker 1: He's nonchalantly walking away is what is shown on the
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Speaker 1: video from the dash cam. He is surrounded by multiple
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Speaker 1: police officers. That's when Officer Van Dyke gets out of
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Speaker 1: the car and within a matter of seconds starts shooting. Now,
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Speaker 1: when you're saying dash kim, not everybody knows what that means.
23:25
Speaker 1: What is dash kim? Explain? Well, the police officer vehicles
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Speaker 1: actually have a camera that is posted on the dashboard
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Speaker 1: of each vehicle so that you can actually see their perspective,
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Speaker 1: or at least the perspective directly in front of their
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Speaker 1: vehicles as they're responding to a call and after they're
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Speaker 1: at the scene, as we saw in this where it
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Speaker 1: actually gives you a static video of whatever takes place.
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Speaker 1: Joining me. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: why is there such a thing as dashcam video and
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Speaker 1: now bodycam video? Well, it helps everybody, you know, so
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Speaker 1: that you can get the story straight. It's a live,
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Speaker 1: real time videography of the events as the police are
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Speaker 1: witnessing from their perspective. Generally, the for the police officer,
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Speaker 1: the cam is positioned center masks on their chests so
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Speaker 1: that they're looking out. Sometimes they'll have it attached to
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Speaker 1: their head, but most of the time it's on their chest.
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Speaker 1: This gives you an idea as to what they're seeing,
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Speaker 1: and you can get it from multiple perspectives. For instance,
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Speaker 1: in this particular case, there are multiple units arriving on scene.
24:38
Speaker 1: You have both bodycam views and you have dash cam views.
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Speaker 1: So to you, Dave Max, indicated talk show host, what
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Speaker 1: does the video show? The video on this one dashcam
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Speaker 1: that we actually clearly shows that LaQuan is walking down
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Speaker 1: the middle of the street. He is, and I say
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Speaker 1: this nonchalantly because he's not threatening, he's not even spreading anymore.
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Speaker 1: He's actually walking down the middle of the street. He
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Speaker 1: is surrounded by police officers and they know that there's
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Speaker 1: a police officer on the way that has a taser gun.
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Speaker 1: He's not approaching any police. He's just walking down the
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Speaker 1: middle of the street, ignoring them as if nobody's there.
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Speaker 1: Listen to fifteen feet away from you, what did he do?
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Speaker 1: He never lost eye contact. Guys are bugged now. His
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Speaker 1: face was just expressionless, and he turned his porcel towards me.
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Speaker 1: And what if then he moves on? He waved the
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Speaker 1: knife from his lower right side upwards across his body
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Speaker 1: towards my left shoulder. And when he did that, one
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Speaker 1: of you you are I shot him? Jason Van Dyke
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Speaker 1: under oath to Dave Mack? Is that to you? Dave Max,
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Speaker 1: Indicated talk show host. How many times was he shot? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: He was shot sixteen times too. Doctor Chris Sperry joining
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Speaker 1: US retired chief medical Examiner. Doctor Sperry six stain gunshot wounds.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about Lakwan McDonald body? He
26:32
Speaker 1: was riddled with gunshot wounds. That's some amazing. Of the
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Speaker 1: sixteen times that he was shot, almost all of the
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Speaker 1: gunshots hit his arms and legs. Actually of the sixteen,
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Speaker 1: there were only two of the gunshot wounds which produced
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Speaker 1: lethal or potentially lethal injuries. One struck his trachea or
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Speaker 1: the windpipe at his neck, and the other struck his
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Speaker 1: right lung. But the other fourteen gunshot wounds struck his
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Speaker 1: arms and legs, fractured bones, and cause a lot of
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Speaker 1: soft tissue injury. But that but there were only two
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Speaker 1: that were really ended up being the lethal shot. Dodger Sperry.
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Speaker 1: How does a wound to the trechia or the lung,
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Speaker 1: how does that end up being deadly? It seems to
27:28
Speaker 1: me that, I mean, I'm just a JD. You're the MD.
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Speaker 1: How does that end up in a deadly wound, to
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Speaker 1: be shot in the trachea or the lung. Well, a
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the lung causes massive bleading inside of
27:44
Speaker 1: the chest cavity where the lung sit because the lung
27:48
Speaker 1: is a giant of blood and would we breathe kind
27:54
Speaker 1: of the air goes in the lung and all of
27:56
Speaker 1: the billions of little blood vessels take up the oxygen
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Speaker 1: and taken to our body. So it's a giant sponge
28:03
Speaker 1: and a gunshot wound will tear through the lung and
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Speaker 1: cause massive bleeding. A gunshot wound of the trachea is
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Speaker 1: serious because this is our windpipe. This is how we
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Speaker 1: breathe to get air down into the lung, and this
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Speaker 1: will produce severe bleeding in the airway and unfortunately it
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Speaker 1: will cause someone to actually suffocate on their own blood.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Eighteen, a seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: is gunned down running from police listen to ABC seven.
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Speaker 1: Van Dyke is the first Chicago police officer to face
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Speaker 1: first agree murder charges in decades. He was charged on
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Speaker 1: the eve of the video's release, which was more than
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Speaker 1: a year after seventeen year old McDonald was killed. Angelo says,
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Speaker 1: the video does not tell the whole story. I think
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Speaker 1: officer Van Dyke steps into his training mode and takes
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Speaker 1: action that he believed at that time was justified. M okay,
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Speaker 1: So to you, Dave Mac, how damning is that video?
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Speaker 1: What does it prove? It shows that LaQuan was not
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Speaker 1: in any way a threat to the police officers on
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Speaker 1: the scene at the time he was struck, But it
29:49
Speaker 1: shows much more than that. It actually shows that he
29:52
Speaker 1: was shot many many times after the first shot took
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Speaker 1: him down. That there were so many shots after he
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Speaker 1: was laying in the middle of the street, not a
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Speaker 1: threat to anyone. Mmmmmmmm So to you, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: that's against all police protocol I've ever heard of. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is, Nancy. Once the threat is neutralized, at that point,
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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's pointless to go on and it
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Speaker 1: gives it gives you kind of a you know, it
30:21
Speaker 1: gives people to watch it, this idea that the individuals
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Speaker 1: are indifferent to this person's life, that it's overkilled. Even
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Speaker 1: in the video for our fans that have not seen it,
30:32
Speaker 1: you can see debris flying up off of the asphalt
30:35
Speaker 1: as as the bullet strike the asphalt. So it really
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Speaker 1: paints a very sour picture. Let me ask you, Dave Nate,
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Speaker 1: why did it take a year for the dashcam video
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Speaker 1: to turn up? Nancy. It took thirteen months, four hundred days,
30:49
Speaker 1: and the police and the city actually fought it. It
30:52
Speaker 1: was only after a judge forced them to release the
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Speaker 1: dash cam video. It was the release of the dashcam
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Speaker 1: video that brought about the charges against officer Van Dyke.
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Speaker 1: The officer was charged just a matter of hours before
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Speaker 1: they actually had to release it. They didn't want to
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Speaker 1: release that video. They tried to hold it back to
31:13
Speaker 1: prevent the city and to people from seeing it. I
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Speaker 1: don't understand that. To Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor, you know,
31:22
Speaker 1: I hate it when there was wrongdoing on behalf of
31:25
Speaker 1: cops and it's happened with cops that I've used in
31:28
Speaker 1: vice cases before, because it takes every case they've ever touched.
31:33
Speaker 1: Why but still, long story short, the state is duty
31:39
Speaker 1: bound to seek justice. Why would they fight the release
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Speaker 1: of the video. Well, the law protects ongoing investigation, So
31:47
Speaker 1: even if you were to file an open records request,
31:49
Speaker 1: as long as the investigation is still open or the
31:53
Speaker 1: agency says it is, and they're not bound to release it. However,
31:57
Speaker 1: those elected officials that run on transparency, that's what the
32:01
Speaker 1: public wants to hear and they want to be able
32:04
Speaker 1: to have access to this. And so the people that
32:08
Speaker 1: have no problems, they're not afraid of what they've done,
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Speaker 1: they feel like they're justified, then they should just go
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Speaker 1: ahead and release it and allow the public to form
32:17
Speaker 1: their own opinion, which ultimately is going to happen. And
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Speaker 1: listen to Officer Jason Van Dyke under oh McDonald doing
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Speaker 1: advancing on me? And could you see him his face? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I could? I wonder anything? Did you notice about the stakes?
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Speaker 1: His face had no expression, His eyes were just bugging
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Speaker 1: out of his head. He had just these huge white
32:46
Speaker 1: eyes just staring right through me. And did you say
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Speaker 1: anything too while stop? How was yelling at him? Dropped
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Speaker 1: the knife? I yelling? I don't know how many times,
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Speaker 1: but it's all y'all. And did he keep advancing forward you?
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Speaker 1: He never stopped? How close did he gets to you? Good?
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Speaker 1: Probably about ten to fifteen feet away from me to
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, is that what the video shows? No, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: And actually, you know when he says that he was
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Speaker 1: that LaQuan was advancing on him. If you go back
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Speaker 1: and watch that dash cam video, you can actually see
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Speaker 1: LaQuan walking in a straight line down the street. The
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Speaker 1: only person advancing was Officer Van Dyke when he exits
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Speaker 1: the vehicle and continues to approach la Quan. Listen to
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Speaker 1: BBC seven. The suspended police officer will have his day
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Speaker 1: in court today, appears to begin the local process that
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Speaker 1: will likely result in Jason Van Dyke on trial for murder.
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Speaker 1: The Chicago police officer at the center of a controversial
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Speaker 1: civilian shooting, had no comment as he walked into a
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Speaker 1: Cook County courthouse amid heckling from the crowd. Fourth today,
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Speaker 1: officer Jason van Dyke pleaded not guilty for the murder
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Speaker 1: of LaQuan McDonald. Video of the shooting gained national attention.
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Speaker 1: McDonald's family wants the court proceedings to also get as
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Speaker 1: much attention. McDonald was shot sixteen times last October. Police
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Speaker 1: had been pursuing McDonald for allegedly trying to break into
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Speaker 1: part cards. Officer Van Dyke, now suspended from the Chicago
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Speaker 1: Police Department, was on the scene four seconds before firing
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Speaker 1: at the seventeen year old. Prosecutors previously alleged some of
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Speaker 1: the shots were fired once the teenager with a three
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Speaker 1: inch folding knife was on the ground. Can listen our
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Speaker 1: friends at pot thirty two. The Jason Vandyke jury heard
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Speaker 1: today from two eyewitnesses to the LaQuan McDonald shooting, one
34:59
Speaker 1: of them a police officer Jason Vandyke's partner. The other
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Speaker 1: one a twenty six year old man who just happened
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Speaker 1: upon the scene while he was on his feet. Did
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Speaker 1: you see him make any threatenee movements. No. After he's
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Speaker 1: on the ground and you said you heard more and
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Speaker 1: more shots, did you see him make any threatenee movements?
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Speaker 1: None at all. Xavier Torres's father was driving him to
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Speaker 1: the hospital with flu symptoms when they noticed a lot
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Speaker 1: of police activity and went to see what was going on.
35:31
Speaker 1: Torres told the jury that Lacwan McDonald did not appear
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Speaker 1: to be threatening police before he was shot. What did
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Speaker 1: it appear he was doing when he was walking southwest?
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Speaker 1: Just again, looked like he was trying to get away
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Speaker 1: from from other officers. Torres's testimony was contradicted by Jason
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Speaker 1: Vandyke's partner on the night of the shooting. Former officer
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Speaker 1: Joseph Walsh testified that dash cam video of the incident
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Speaker 1: doesn't reflect what he saw. My angle is totally different
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Speaker 1: from that perspective. He told the jury, Well, the jury
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Speaker 1: got to see if we're themselves listen to this. We
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Speaker 1: the jury find a defendant, Jay Siband by guilty of
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Speaker 1: second degree murder. We the jury find a defendant they
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Speaker 1: amended by guilty of aggravated battery with the firearm first shot.
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Speaker 1: We the jury find a defendant, and by guilty of
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Speaker 1: aggravated battery with the firearm. The second shots, we the
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Speaker 1: jury find a defendant, Jasonband, guilty of aggravated battery with
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Speaker 1: fur arm six shots. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off
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Speaker 1: good Bye friend,