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MLB's record $12.1bil revenue, Bregman's offers, Reds ink Hays · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: This is what Houston does, right. They say, it's kind
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Speaker 1: of what happened with the Braves and Freddie Freeman. They're like, listen, Alex,
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Speaker 1: we want you back. Here's our final and best offer
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Speaker 1: if you want to take it. If not, good luck,
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Speaker 1: find it somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: read many of those, or at least I do, so
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Speaker 2: little five star action. I'm not going to read the
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Speaker 2: whole thing here, but someone named Gavin said enjoys the
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Speaker 2: podcast and was glad that we called out Cam Newton
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Speaker 2: for his take. So even though we think some of
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Speaker 2: that stuff stupid, his point was that baseball is not
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Speaker 2: being covered well enough at a national level AJA, and
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Speaker 2: he felt like we're helping to fill a void on
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Speaker 2: a daily base where Gavin grew up being able to
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Speaker 2: watch it on TV when that was what was all
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Speaker 2: that really existed, TV and radio. So you just wanted
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Speaker 2: to give us a shout out and said how he
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Speaker 2: hates that there are certain national media members that are
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Speaker 2: more football oriented, and he also mentioned a couple other
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Speaker 2: names that I'll skip here, but that are football analysts
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Speaker 2: that have talked about baseball in the past, and he
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Speaker 2: said it's brutal, and he likes that we occasionally mix
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Speaker 2: that in to give them a little little shade.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I'd cover everything, but you won't let me, Scott,
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Speaker 1: So let's be honest. I'd cover football, i'd cover basketball,
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Speaker 1: I covered golf, I cover everything, but Scott and you
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Speaker 1: just won't let us. As you say, this is a
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Speaker 1: baseball only show. So maybe other people should take that
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Speaker 1: advice and stick to what they know rather than go
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Speaker 1: to things that they don't understand. Now, I mean, just
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Speaker 1: because I watch a lot of football doesn't mean I
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Speaker 1: could go on TV and talk about it or could
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Speaker 1: you just you just played to my point though, Krats.
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Speaker 2: He just played to my point. Gavin said, I love
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Speaker 2: that you guys actually watch and know the sport. While
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Speaker 2: occasionally a national sports show, especially on TV, we'll try
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Speaker 2: and touch on baseball and they are beyond lost. So
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Speaker 2: let's keep talking about baseball. Yeah, we cover we cover plenty. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's been a player guest on this
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Speaker 2: show that doesn't know a little bit about your Florida allegiance.
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Speaker 1: That was probably been one. Maybe Cam Newton was it Florida.
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Speaker 1: Let's not forget and he got.
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Speaker 2: Hard that's right, all right. So he also has no
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Speaker 2: idea that baseball is still thriving financially, which plays right
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Speaker 2: into our top topic today. Let's charge the mound.
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Speaker 3: Charge.
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Speaker 2: So we got the MLB report on revenue krats. The
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Speaker 2: numbers are in, and these are numbers just very closely
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Speaker 2: tied to ballpark, national TV money, et cetera. This does
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Speaker 2: not include other companies owned by the teams, or mixed
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Speaker 2: use developments around the stadium like the Braves Battery or
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Speaker 2: that bar that the Mariners owe that I always use
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Speaker 2: as an example, et cetera. Does not include revenue from
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Speaker 2: the team owned TV networks either, which do quite well
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Speaker 2: from what I've heard from my friends at some places
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Speaker 2: that work there. And yet the number that we get
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Speaker 2: is five hundred million dollars more than the all time
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Speaker 2: high twelve point one billion dollars of revenue for Major
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Speaker 2: League Baseball in the twenty twenty four season. If we
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Speaker 2: take some of the other fun treats that I just
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Speaker 2: mentioned that are not included in the number. I bet
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Speaker 2: you it's closer to fourteen fifteen billion dollars for what
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Speaker 2: baseball brings to the table in terms of revenue. Your
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Speaker 2: thoughts on the sport and the off season, which sometimes
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Speaker 2: makes it feel like it's not doing as well.
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Speaker 3: My thoughts are go revisit one owners comments biblical losses
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Speaker 3: were during this ten years of up thirty three percent
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Speaker 3: breaking even was another quote by the same owner, like
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Speaker 3: when you think about that kind of stuff, you say, Okay,
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Speaker 3: well that doesn't necessarily put money in their hand today,
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Speaker 3: but it allows them to make the money that they're
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Speaker 3: looking to make. But ultimately, winning teams make money, not
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Speaker 3: spending teams win. It's winning teams make money. So some
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Speaker 3: of them don't care about winning. They care about the
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Speaker 3: bottom line. Good for them they won in that in
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Speaker 3: that category, but bad for their overall outlook because their
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Speaker 3: franchise is going to just the value is not going
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Speaker 3: to reach the peak that it could.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, what do we just talk about? Who'd we
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Speaker 1: talk about at the top of this show? Who is
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Speaker 1: the guy Scott that you just mentioned with the fun
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Speaker 1: funny hats that he wears all the time.
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Speaker 2: Kam Lama ding Dong Newton.
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Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, what did he say that in what ten
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Speaker 1: years the WNBA is going to surpass MLB? What was
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Speaker 1: the number we just showed for what MLB revenue was
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, Just just hit me with it again.
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Speaker 2: Twelve point one AJA, which is a fake number. It's
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Speaker 2: actually significantly higher if we count assets around the team,
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Speaker 2: which is always why there's going to be a problem
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Speaker 2: with a salary cap one day, because they're not going
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Speaker 2: to want to include that. But that has everything to
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Speaker 2: do with the team revenue.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Now what do you think the revenue for the
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Speaker 1: WNBA was last year in twenty twenty four. This is
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Speaker 1: not a knock on the WNBA. This is a knock
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Speaker 1: on Cam Newton.
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Speaker 2: And what he said, my guess is four hundred million.
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Speaker 3: Kratz, I don't know. I guess eight eight hundred eighty million, two.
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Speaker 1: Hundred million, two hundred So you said twelve point one
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Speaker 1: billion versus two hundred million. Okay, Yeah, in ten years
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Speaker 1: they're gonna make up twelve billion dollars. And if Major
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Speaker 1: League Baseball keeps gaining the way it is they're gonna
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Speaker 1: make up what thirteen fourteen, fifteen billion dollars. I'm just saying, right, So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, come, that was honestly one of the dumbest
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Speaker 1: things that I've ever heard anybody say, not a knock
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Speaker 1: on the WNBA at all. People love it. People that
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Speaker 1: watch it, they love it. It's a thing with Kate and
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Speaker 1: Clark and the whole thing that they have going on.
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Speaker 1: But let's be honest here, baseball has been ingrained in
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Speaker 1: America and in the world stage for over well over
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Speaker 1: one hundred years now. It's not going away. It's not
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Speaker 1: going away. If anything, it keeps getting better, and tendance
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Speaker 1: is up, spending is up, what TV watching is up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's get se is here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. FT downloads and fews are up, ratings are up.
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Speaker 2: It's actually true. I work on that all day besides
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Speaker 2: But aj even playing more so, to your point, do
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Speaker 2: you know the percentage increase from ten years ago? This
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Speaker 2: public revenue number is that you know how.
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Speaker 1: Much it's got almost doubled.
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Speaker 2: I would guess thirty three percent from ten years ago,
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Speaker 2: and that's obviously including the hiccup they had during the
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Speaker 2: COVID effected seasons which were twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: But since then they're soaring again. And for me, a
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Speaker 2: big key was the attendance boost Kratz, which gets talked
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Speaker 2: about during the season too. We get all the press
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Speaker 2: releases from MLB, but from twenty twelve to twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: according to this CBS article, attendance was dropping and then
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Speaker 2: now it has picked back up. Seventy one million this
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Speaker 2: past season was the highest since twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: Means they like the product on the field. It's not
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Speaker 3: all necessarily the glitz and the glamour on the commercials
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Speaker 3: and everything that goes on on TV. People are showing
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Speaker 3: up to games. That's huge because when you show up
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Speaker 3: to a game, you're more invested in the game surrounding it. Oh,
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Speaker 3: how have they been playing? Ooh I just went to
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Speaker 3: this game. I want to see how they did the
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Speaker 3: next two nights. When I'm not at a game, Oh,
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Speaker 3: I want to go back. You know, it shows that
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Speaker 3: they're creating an awesome product at the park.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and aja for me, there's a few things that
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Speaker 2: stand out about the in game experience that we didn't
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Speaker 2: have a few years ago. Primarily, it's some rule changes
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Speaker 2: that have sped up the game. That matters for families
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Speaker 2: that want to be there for two and a half
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Speaker 2: to two forty five instead of three and a half
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Speaker 2: plus hours, you know, seven o'clock game, things get a
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Speaker 2: little crazy. Also, some of the games have started earlier. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you want to add one and then I'll add one
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Speaker 2: on the back end of that.
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Speaker 1: No, and I'll give you one more for me. It's
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Speaker 1: a pitch clock has been huge because it keeps people interested.
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Speaker 1: For short, to go to a soccer game, it's two
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Speaker 1: hours on the nose. To go to NBA game, it's
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Speaker 1: about two hours now. Football is a little bit longer,
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Speaker 1: but you have a halftime and get up. You can
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Speaker 1: move around, do a bunch of different things and not
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Speaker 1: miss a bunch of the actions. So people don't think
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Speaker 1: it is bored with it as sometimes baseball can. People
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Speaker 1: say can drag on, but I disagree, but you know,
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Speaker 1: casual fans, two and a half hours is much better. Also,
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Speaker 1: a lot of teams have done and what the Orioles
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Speaker 1: did the other day, and try to keep certain prices
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Speaker 1: down with their concessions. Yes, there's luxury items that can
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Speaker 1: cost a lot, but they're doing these family of four packs.
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Speaker 1: They're doing, Hey, come to the game and we have
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Speaker 1: under five dollars menu stuff like that, just to get
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Speaker 1: people to go to the ballpark. And once people go
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Speaker 1: to the ballpark and they see how many things they
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Speaker 1: have going on, the scoreboards and the mascots and the
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Speaker 1: promotions going on between innings, people have genuinely usually have
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Speaker 1: a good time and they want to go back, especially children.
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Speaker 2: Boom, there you goo ability. That was the one I
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Speaker 2: was going to add on the back end. I'm with
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Speaker 2: you there. So you have some teams getting a little
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Speaker 2: nicer about certain discount value items whatever they call it
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Speaker 2: when you're there and krats. I've been paying more attention
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Speaker 2: to ticket prices for other leagues. NFL has so few games,
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Speaker 2: but I looked at NBA and NHL versus MLB. If
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Speaker 2: you want to play it right, at most ballparks, you
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Speaker 2: can take your family or two of you, a friend,
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Speaker 2: a partner, whatever, girl from boyfriend to a game and
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Speaker 2: not pay much. You know, you can go on a
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Speaker 2: secondary ticketing app kind of situation day of day before
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Speaker 2: and find something very affordable. You can do that with
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Speaker 2: the other sports, but you can really do that with
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Speaker 2: most baseball teams. Now, if you're going to pick a
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Speaker 2: a Dodgers, Giants, Yankees, Red Sox or Yankees Mets kind
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Speaker 2: of situation, you're asking for it. But if you're going
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Speaker 2: to pick just a run in the mill June fifth game,
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Speaker 2: you can really have a good time for a low
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Speaker 2: amount of money. And it's hard to do that with
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Speaker 2: any form of entertainment these days.
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Speaker 3: You can make it, I mean, just talk about general
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Speaker 3: admission tickets, not standing room only or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: But a baseball park, a stadium gives you a way,
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Speaker 3: way different experience than a hockey arena. At basketball arena,
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Speaker 3: football is different, you know, it's a different, you know,
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Speaker 3: totally different atmosphere with the tailgame and everything leading up.
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Speaker 3: But a baseball game, the parks, you get a different
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Speaker 3: view of the game from so many different areas of
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Speaker 3: the stadium. You don't have to sit front row to
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Speaker 3: make it like this unbelievable experience. You can sit in
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Speaker 3: different areas. There's a chance of catching a foul ball.
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Speaker 3: When are you get in that in any other any
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Speaker 3: other sport, Like there's just so many things that go
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Speaker 3: into it that you don't have to sit in the
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Speaker 3: elite section. You can sit there and experience the game
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Speaker 3: and be a little bit farther away, be in more
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Speaker 3: affordable seating.
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Speaker 2: And I'll finish with this because this was just pointed
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Speaker 2: out in the chat by Sam. Baseball is something no
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Speaker 2: other sport can touch, and it's volume one hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixty two games that place a lot of people want
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Speaker 2: the consistency of being able to track a team, even
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Speaker 2: if they can't watch every second of every game. It
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Speaker 2: also gives you more opportunities to hit games. You know,
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Speaker 2: you get eighty whatever home eighty one home games, spring training,
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Speaker 2: all that stuff. They are just a ton of opportunities
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Speaker 2: to be able to attend, to be able to watch,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. For a world that is on devices more
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Speaker 2: than ever. So good little commercial there on how the
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Speaker 2: league's still doing well. So in the breaks, sometimes we
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Speaker 2: hit something that we don't necessarily have time for on TV,
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Speaker 2: but we want to be the show that documents just
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Speaker 2: about everything big going on in the game. So baby
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Speaker 2: signing time, we have a few. Let's start with Adam Fraser.
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Speaker 2: We'll get some others after this. In later breaks in
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Speaker 2: the show, one and a half million bucks to the
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Pirates striking big so I think it's Spencer Horwitz
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Speaker 2: and Adam Fraser now added to the Pittsburgh Pirates lineup.
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Speaker 2: AJ What does that equal for that lineup in the
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Speaker 2: National League Central?
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Speaker 1: It equals good for Adam Fraser. Didn't he make Did
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Speaker 1: he make the All Star team with them? One year?
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Speaker 3: He was?
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Speaker 1: He made? I don't know if it was with the Pirates,
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Speaker 1: but he had a good year with the Pirates. You
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Speaker 1: know what it equals If he gets off to a
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Speaker 1: good start, it gives him better in depth and they
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Speaker 1: can trade him to a contender in July.
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Speaker 3: That's what it equals.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love Adam Fraser. I'm happy for him
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Speaker 1: that he's going to get a chance to play in
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Speaker 1: the big leagues for another year. But for the Pirates,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't move the needle. It just gives him the
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Speaker 1: possibility if he's off to a great start, they can
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Speaker 1: trade him and hopefully get a prospect for him.
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Speaker 3: How's there? When he made his debut in sixteen, we
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Speaker 3: used to ride to the airport because you have to
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Speaker 3: drive to the airport as a pirate. And park at
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Speaker 3: the airport and then get on the team plane. That's
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Speaker 3: another story. But if he makes another All Star team
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Speaker 3: like he did in what was that eighteen, I'll look
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Speaker 3: it up twenty one, in twenty one, exactly what AJ
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Speaker 3: said that year he got traded too.
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Speaker 2: Was it twenty one that he had the big year
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Speaker 2: with Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, pitt and then he went to the Padres.
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, because last year he was not hitting
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Speaker 2: two eighty two on base. He had a rough season
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Speaker 2: with Kansas City. You know, they gave him just under
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Speaker 2: three hundred played appearances. Bat really took a dip, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one with Pittsburgh and then traded to San Diego.
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Speaker 2: You're right, he was a four win player, ended up
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Speaker 2: with a three sixty eight on base percentage one fourteen
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Speaker 2: oh ps plus and then since then has been below
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Speaker 2: average with the bat. Twenty twenty three, he was pretty
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Speaker 2: solid with Baltimore. So Pittsburgh's trying to see if he
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Speaker 2: can bounce back to that range more closer to a
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Speaker 2: two win player with Baltimore back then. So we'll see.
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Speaker 2: But obviously this is what Pittsburgh fans have to get
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Speaker 2: excited about because they're not striking big. I know it
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Speaker 2: sounds like a broken record sometimes, but it's a shame
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Speaker 2: because they could have a really dangerous starting rotation with
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Speaker 2: Sken's Jones Keller and their top prospect is Bubba Chandler.
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Speaker 2: We're going to have more in the Baseball America YouTube
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Speaker 2: clips that will unveil throughout spring training on the top
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Speaker 2: prospect for each organization. But Bubba Chandler is the guy
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Speaker 2: for Pittsburgh. Shit, what's going on with the Astros? Astros
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Speaker 2: keep it exciting, guys. I mean, they have been active
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Speaker 2: throughout the off season. Right they were going after Bragman.
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Speaker 2: They don't get them. They get parades, they get Christian Walker.
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Speaker 2: Then they traded Ryan Presley. That trade was just actually
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Speaker 2: official this morning, and Data Brown is always pretty solid
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Speaker 2: and straightforward with his comments and talked about how the
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Speaker 2: relationship was definitely fractured once they brought on Hayter. That's
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Speaker 2: very Presley really was not pleased with that whole situation,
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Speaker 2: and you get more of that as now he's moving on. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: that opens up some room to maybe do something else,
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Speaker 2: although they're just staying close to that luxury tax range.
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Speaker 2: The latest report here from the athletic channel of Rome
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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal was going to join us soon, aj Is.
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Speaker 2: The talks continue with Bregman. There's interest from at least
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Speaker 2: or from five teams. I didn't even say at least
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Speaker 2: five teams. But there's also strong interest from the Astros
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Speaker 2: in Jorge Polanco, who sounds like the backup plan for Houston,
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Speaker 2: and you know how Houston works, they're pretty decisive, like
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Speaker 2: this has surfaced again the Bregman talks. But eventually they're
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Speaker 2: going to put a time deadline on this and they're
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Speaker 2: going to say we're done. We're signing Jorge Polanco. He's
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Speaker 2: going to cost way less and even though he hasn't
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Speaker 2: been an outfielder in the past, he said he would
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Speaker 2: rock some outfield in addition to the infield positions that
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Speaker 2: he's played in his Big Leg career besides first base.
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Speaker 1: This is what Houston does, right, they'd say. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of what happened with the Rais and Freddie Freeman. They're like, listen, Alex,
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Speaker 1: we want you back. Here's our final and best offer
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Speaker 1: if you want to take it. If not, good luck,
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Speaker 1: find it somewhere else. This is kind of what teams
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Speaker 1: have started doing now, And I get it from a
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Speaker 1: team standpoint. It sucks as a player, especially if you're
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Speaker 1: Alex Bregmant and you want.
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Speaker 3: To go back.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna do if you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: one fifty six at six and you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: take a cut, Okay, sorry, but I don't know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's set another team offering six with the first year
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Speaker 1: opt out. Does he really want to opt out? Because
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Speaker 1: Bregman's well, you know, he's over thirty years old. So
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Speaker 1: is he gonna opt out after one year and think
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get more? Or is he happy with six
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Speaker 1: one fifty six to stay in Houston at place he knows.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is this one is fascinating to me.
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Speaker 1: The petere Alnzo saga is fascinating to me. But at
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Speaker 1: some point the Astros are gonna have to make a
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Speaker 1: decision if they can get hore Planco to come in Dana,
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Speaker 1: you know, Jim Crane and these boys are gonna say
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Speaker 1: see you later. Alex find something else, and it sucks
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Speaker 1: for the Astros and for Bregmant if that's where he
18:55
Speaker 1: wants to be.
18:56
Speaker 2: For the pod crowd, that listens later in the car.
18:58
Speaker 2: I'll refer to what you were saying there with the
19:01
Speaker 2: John Hammond tweet. Astros are trying to bring back Bregman.
19:03
Speaker 2: They're still willing to do at least the six one
19:05
Speaker 2: fifty six. One reason need declined that earlier is it's
19:08
Speaker 2: a cut from what AJ was talking about the twenty
19:10
Speaker 2: eight and a half million dollar salary. And you said
19:12
Speaker 2: there's another team offering six with a first year opt out,
19:16
Speaker 2: but the money is unknown. Among the other teams in
19:18
Speaker 2: are the Cubs, the Red Sox, and the Tigers. Kratz,
19:22
Speaker 2: the twenty eight point five part makes absolutely zero sense.
19:26
Speaker 2: There are other players that will sign deals in order
19:30
Speaker 2: to stretch out the luxury tax number. That is very
19:34
Speaker 2: common in our sport. The Yankees are some of the
19:37
Speaker 2: best in the biz at doing this. They will often
19:39
Speaker 2: sign players for an extra year or two, like they
19:41
Speaker 2: did with Max Free. They go beyond their comfort zone
19:44
Speaker 2: just to stretch the money out, and they say, really,
19:46
Speaker 2: this player's worth X, but I'm going to give them
19:48
Speaker 2: the extra year because it's going to help our luxury
19:50
Speaker 2: tax number. You can't get it all. You can't get
19:54
Speaker 2: the years you want, and the AAV you want. Usually
19:57
Speaker 2: the overall number is just what players care about the
19:59
Speaker 2: present day of the contract that they're getting on the market.
20:03
Speaker 3: It was confusing to be the AAV part unless there's
20:07
Speaker 3: I know, from Boris's side of it, like, obviously he
20:11
Speaker 3: has another third baseman coming that will have similar numbers
20:14
Speaker 3: at some point to Alex Bregman, and if he can
20:16
Speaker 3: get that AAV up, then he can say, well, he's
20:18
Speaker 3: a year younger, he wants an extra year from what
20:21
Speaker 3: Bragman got. All that stuff, But from Bragman's point of view,
20:25
Speaker 3: like if that's where he wants to be, and he
20:28
Speaker 3: wants that six years, which would essentially take him very
20:32
Speaker 3: close to the end of his baseball career thirty six,
20:35
Speaker 3: thirty eight somewhere in there. To me, I think it
20:39
Speaker 3: works because it works for it works for the team too,
20:42
Speaker 3: and I think he wants I know, he wants to win.
20:45
Speaker 3: So you get an opportunity to be able to sign
20:47
Speaker 3: a few more guys down the road when some of
20:49
Speaker 3: these other contracts come off. The Phillies and the Yankees
20:52
Speaker 3: are prime examples of this. Yeah, talk to me in
20:56
Speaker 3: seven eight years when some of these guys are older.
20:58
Speaker 3: But right now is there is their shot.
21:02
Speaker 2: And just to put a bow on Jorge Polanco's situation,
21:06
Speaker 2: he was okay last year. He definitely had a down
21:08
Speaker 2: year by his standards, and he had knee surgery. In October,
21:12
Speaker 2: Seattle declined his twelve million dollar option. Blanco's agent said,
21:15
Speaker 2: he's going to be okay for the regular season, like
21:18
Speaker 2: he should be ready to go and should be pretty
21:20
Speaker 2: normal in spring training. I mean, the teams get the
21:22
Speaker 2: medical reports anyway, so they can be the judge of that.
21:26
Speaker 2: But in my mind, Planco should bounce back. That is
21:29
Speaker 2: a massive ballpark up grade to go from Seattle.
21:32
Speaker 1: Let me ask this, let me let me ask you
21:34
Speaker 1: all this real quick about bregmant. So he's turning down
21:37
Speaker 1: six point fifty six. So he made twenty eight point
21:39
Speaker 1: six last year, so let's just say he wants thirty
21:42
Speaker 1: a year. What team do you think is offering him
21:44
Speaker 1: six point eighty right now with an opt out after
21:47
Speaker 1: one year. Tell me the team Cubs. Do you think
21:51
Speaker 1: the Cubs are offering them that.
21:53
Speaker 3: I don't think they're off I think it just the
21:54
Speaker 3: whole opt out after the first year just sounds very cubbish.
21:58
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's I don't think it's that
21:59
Speaker 3: high a number.
22:00
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no. Let me make this clear.
22:03
Speaker 2: There's a team offering six years. They're probably offering less
22:06
Speaker 2: money but saying you can get the opt out after
22:10
Speaker 2: year one.
22:11
Speaker 1: Okay, well then again it's fine the world. Let's say
22:14
Speaker 1: they're offering six six one. Let's say they're offering the
22:16
Speaker 1: six one fifty six to him and they're offering opt
22:19
Speaker 1: out after one. But his big thing was the twenty
22:23
Speaker 1: eight point six whatever he made last year. He wants
22:25
Speaker 1: to beat that. Is there a team that's going to
22:26
Speaker 1: beat that over a six year fan? No?
22:31
Speaker 2: I mean, go back to Houston.
22:32
Speaker 1: Go back to Houston where you're comfortable, they love you,
22:35
Speaker 1: finish your career as an astro, have your legacy. That's it.
22:38
Speaker 1: If that's no, Alex Brigman has his own things. But
22:40
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if it's me and they offered me this,
22:42
Speaker 1: now you know, listen, it's not my money, so and
22:45
Speaker 1: it's not me making the money and I but if I,
22:47
Speaker 1: if I have a team I've been with my whole career,
22:49
Speaker 1: and I don't know that's just me.
22:52
Speaker 2: Though sometimes we're like, damn, this is rough. But six
22:55
Speaker 2: one fifty six looks pretty nice if that's what you're
22:59
Speaker 2: looking for the long term package. If you want the
23:01
Speaker 2: short term package with the opt out, there are other
23:03
Speaker 2: options out there. Just keeping this going for a moment here.
23:08
Speaker 2: I talked to yesterday about the Alex Spear report that
23:10
Speaker 2: the Red Sox won't go past four years. So I
23:14
Speaker 2: just think it's funny that they're still in on Bregman.
23:18
Speaker 2: Why would he take a four year offer from the
23:22
Speaker 2: Red Sox when he reportedly has either the six one
23:25
Speaker 2: fifty six which sounds like it's the highest overall number
23:28
Speaker 2: and it's Texas taxes which is no state income, or
23:33
Speaker 2: the six year contract that's probably for less that has
23:35
Speaker 2: an opt out after year one. Where does the Red
23:38
Speaker 2: Sox part fall in, Like, shouldn't they just be out at.
23:40
Speaker 3: This point thirty a year in on everybody?
23:46
Speaker 2: So you're saying four at thirty a year.
23:49
Speaker 3: I'm saying that maybe that's like, think about it. If
23:52
Speaker 3: you have something in your mind that you're like, oh,
23:54
Speaker 3: I want this number. Hey, the Red Sox offered me.
23:57
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the Red Sox did, I'm just saying
23:59
Speaker 3: if they offered me thirty a year, hey, I want
24:02
Speaker 3: to come back to Houston. I want thirty a year.
24:05
Speaker 3: I went over. I went over that amount of twenty
24:08
Speaker 3: eight point six they offered it, but they only offered
24:11
Speaker 3: it for four years. Can you guys add another year?
24:16
Speaker 2: Or you're saying he's going to be very focused on
24:18
Speaker 2: the opt out situation where it's like, hey, let me
24:20
Speaker 2: get as much as I can in year one and
24:22
Speaker 2: then I'm going to crush it and opt out.
24:25
Speaker 3: That's a bad idea, I think. I mean, he's gone
24:27
Speaker 3: through free agency. Free agency isn't just like oh, everybody's
24:30
Speaker 3: lining up. He tested the market, he saw what's out there. Okay,
24:34
Speaker 3: come on back home. I mean it's it may not
24:37
Speaker 3: change next year. I get it. It changed for Chapman.
24:40
Speaker 3: Boris came on and said, how oh, you know he
24:43
Speaker 3: still got it. But what did Chapman get. He's still
24:46
Speaker 3: got the number that was out there from the previous offseason.
24:51
Speaker 2: That's what's hurting this cause right now. Chapman signed a
24:56
Speaker 2: six year, one fifty one extension, so he basically ended
24:59
Speaker 2: up if you go back to the previous offseason at
25:02
Speaker 2: seven one sixty nine. Although I'm like, wait, Bregman's at
25:05
Speaker 2: six one fifty six. It's pretty damn close, you know,
25:10
Speaker 2: for they know in a place.
25:12
Speaker 1: He knows and they know him and they know what
25:15
Speaker 1: I mean. That's the key to me for me, I mean,
25:18
Speaker 1: can you get maybe ten fifteen million dollars more? Sure,
25:21
Speaker 1: you got to move your family whatever, you know. I mean, listen,
25:23
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen millions a lot of money. But at
25:26
Speaker 1: the end of the day, go where you're happy. That's
25:29
Speaker 1: that's one of my biggest things, man, Go play where
25:31
Speaker 1: you're happy.
25:32
Speaker 2: Seven two was the contract for Chris Bryant, and he
25:36
Speaker 2: had bigger credentials before that. But also you can't go
25:40
Speaker 2: off that deal. The Rockies don't do math like other teams.
25:46
Speaker 2: I'm serious.
25:46
Speaker 1: As hasn't played. He also hasn't played in that deal
25:49
Speaker 1: very much.
25:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a great one to point to. One
25:53
Speaker 2: more while we're on the Cardinals, Dylan Carlson, who was
25:58
Speaker 2: with Saint Louis and then Tampa Bay last year and
26:00
Speaker 2: was brutal, signed a one year contract with the Oriels. Obviously,
26:04
Speaker 2: he's still super young, so he can turn this around.
26:07
Speaker 2: Used to be a big deal prospect. One year contract,
26:09
Speaker 2: nine to seventy five K. If he gets to two
26:11
Speaker 2: hundred played appearances. That turns into a clean one million
26:14
Speaker 2: dollars for Carlson to join what could be a pretty
26:19
Speaker 2: crowded outfield. Alex Fast, who covers the Oriols pretty closely,
26:23
Speaker 2: works for MLB, said Mullins. Kowser, Tyler O'Neill, Daz Cameron,
26:27
Speaker 2: Hessen Kerstad, and Dylan Carlson, and he was like, does
26:30
Speaker 2: this mean someone like Cameron's on their way out or
26:32
Speaker 2: Kurstaed starts in the miners, it gets traded, And then
26:34
Speaker 2: also was reminded that Carlson has options, so Carlson actually
26:38
Speaker 2: could start the season in the minor leagues. I don't know,
26:42
Speaker 2: I don't know how the deal is split up, but
26:43
Speaker 2: I'm guessing yes, since he has options, they can do
26:45
Speaker 2: that and he's still controllable. He's got three options, right, Yeah,
26:48
Speaker 2: so they can. They can start him in the miners
26:50
Speaker 2: or option them back and forth. But we'll see if
26:52
Speaker 2: Carlson can turn it around. Baltimore, they've been pretty good
26:55
Speaker 2: at developing hitters. I will give them that.
26:59
Speaker 3: They haven't and he's a switch hitter, gives them versatility
27:02
Speaker 3: once he figures it out. Because you think he's gonna
27:03
Speaker 3: figure it out. I mean's he's had some decent years
27:06
Speaker 3: in the big leagues. Again another you know, didn't play
27:10
Speaker 3: a ton. But I don't know how many times he's
27:12
Speaker 3: been optioned down. He's been optioned twice. Based on he's
27:15
Speaker 3: got three he's got still I don't understand. I don't
27:19
Speaker 3: understand the option system. Okay, I'm pretty dirty on the game,
27:22
Speaker 3: but I don't understand it. Someone replied, Yeah, well, one
27:25
Speaker 3: of our our fan grafts buddies, John Becker, replied and
27:28
Speaker 3: said he's got three options remaining. I would disagree with
27:31
Speaker 3: John unless unless the rule changed, because he was up
27:35
Speaker 3: in the big leagues in twenty one and in twenty
27:39
Speaker 3: two and twenty three and he got optioned down, So
27:42
Speaker 3: he's used up two in my in my calculation, he's
27:45
Speaker 3: used up two options. If you ever go down to
27:47
Speaker 3: the minor leagues, that's what I would look at. But
27:50
Speaker 3: he probably still has one option left based on what
27:52
Speaker 3: I'm looking at. Either way gives him good depth. Is
27:56
Speaker 3: he impact right now? No? Could he be absolutely a
27:59
Speaker 3: switch hitter in that lineup? Gives them versatility.
28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of He was the guy that was
28:08
Speaker 1: supposed to be a star and never panned down, went
28:09
Speaker 1: to Tampa, did okay last year. But he's also you know,
28:12
Speaker 1: kind of been on the Jordan Walker plan. Oh we
28:14
Speaker 1: really like him. We're not gonna play. We really like him.
28:15
Speaker 1: We're not gonna play.
28:16
Speaker 3: We really like him.
28:17
Speaker 1: Oh he can't play because we're in a penny race.
28:19
Speaker 1: It's like, just let the kid go and play and
28:20
Speaker 1: see what happens. Now, Baltimore might not be the best
28:22
Speaker 1: place for that to happen, but at the same time,
28:25
Speaker 1: it might be the only chance he had. So he's
28:26
Speaker 1: going there, and if he has to start in triple A,
28:28
Speaker 1: hopefully he goes down and gets hot, comes back and
28:30
Speaker 1: has a nice year and says, sees what he can do.
28:38
Speaker 2: That MGM futures win total four the Arizona Diamondbacks at
28:42
Speaker 2: eighty five and a half. I'll go first. I'm taking
28:46
Speaker 2: the over on the Diamondbacks. I really like this team.
28:49
Speaker 2: Corbyn Burns is going to have a freaking banger of
28:53
Speaker 2: a year. You know, the one thing about Burns was
28:55
Speaker 2: he wasn't completely right for a couple months last season,
28:59
Speaker 2: and then figure that out towards the end of the year. Also,
29:03
Speaker 2: I think he still has so much in his arsenal
29:07
Speaker 2: crats that hasn't been tapped into yet. Like I think
29:11
Speaker 2: it was the sweeper towards the end of last year.
29:12
Speaker 2: I got to go through it that that he started
29:15
Speaker 2: using more, and then I was like, damn, if he
29:17
Speaker 2: uses that even more, he's gonna be insane. Like it's
29:19
Speaker 2: just it's video game is for him at times, and
29:23
Speaker 2: I think if it clicks on the right cylinder, it
29:25
Speaker 2: could be a cy young season for him. So I've
29:28
Speaker 2: got the Diamondbacks improving from last year's I think it
29:32
Speaker 2: was eighty nine wins.
29:34
Speaker 3: Yep, I got the album.
29:36
Speaker 2: I'll give him ninety ninety ninety one.
29:39
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna put a number on it because I
29:40
Speaker 3: think the West is tough. I think there's besides the Rockies.
29:45
Speaker 3: I think you know there's winning baseball out West. But
29:48
Speaker 3: I have over eighty I have over eighty five and
29:51
Speaker 3: a half wins. Because you're gonna get a walk year,
29:55
Speaker 3: I'll come from Gallon. You're gonna get a Merrill. Kelly
29:59
Speaker 3: just gonna be consistent. I think some of their young
30:01
Speaker 3: guys and the pitching staff are gonna really anchor the
30:05
Speaker 3: bottom end of this rotation, which I think is really
30:07
Speaker 3: deep with burns and Gallon being two number ones. But
30:12
Speaker 3: this lineup, this lineup crushes Coutel Martees an MVP candidate.
30:17
Speaker 3: Corbyn Carroll tried something early last season and then the
30:20
Speaker 3: second half he started banging like this lineup is awesome.
30:24
Speaker 3: Even without Christian Walker, Josh Nail will be fine.
30:29
Speaker 1: I just think they're a better team. Corbyn burns. Corbyn
30:33
Speaker 1: Carroll had an awful first half. I think he'll be better.
30:35
Speaker 1: Suarez had a bad first half, turning on the second
30:37
Speaker 1: half Moreno, their catcher was hurt for most of the
30:41
Speaker 1: early part of the year. They won eighty nine games
30:43
Speaker 1: last year. I think again they're close to eighty nine
30:45
Speaker 1: to ninety one team. I think the reason they're number
30:47
Speaker 1: down is down because everyone thinks the Dodgers. But they
30:50
Speaker 1: played well against the Dodgers, and I think they're gonna
30:53
Speaker 1: be The Padres might be a little bit worse. We
30:54
Speaker 1: don't know about them. Giants can be a little bit worse.
30:57
Speaker 1: But I think the Diamondbacks are going to be really
30:58
Speaker 1: good again.
31:00
Speaker 2: I think they're the second best team in the NL West.
31:02
Speaker 2: And while the Dodgers are the world's team and Japan's team,
31:04
Speaker 2: I think Arizona might be America's team because everyone's going
31:06
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Speaker 2: But the Reds pick up Austin Hayes. I like, what
31:32
Speaker 2: the Reds of it up to? You guys just adding
31:34
Speaker 2: at the margins and Hayes was a really good player,
31:37
Speaker 2: went through a bunch of crap last year. Crowds, you
31:40
Speaker 2: might know more about it than we do. And then
31:42
Speaker 2: the Phillies decided to non tender him and go with
31:46
Speaker 2: Kepler over Hayes. But I mean, this is still a
31:50
Speaker 2: pretty good player. You just didn't see the best of
31:52
Speaker 2: him last year.
31:54
Speaker 3: That back was wretched, that back was grinding on them one.
31:58
Speaker 3: I think like six of the balls he hit in
32:02
Speaker 3: Camden Yards would have been homers, but they had moved
32:04
Speaker 3: the fences back, so he was already behind the eight balls.
32:07
Speaker 3: Back was grinding, got traded. Thought it was gonna step
32:11
Speaker 3: up in Philly, but.
32:12
Speaker 2: Unfortunately he had a kidney infection. That was what. It
32:16
Speaker 2: was a serious kidney infection that there's all these stories
32:19
Speaker 2: about too that he was dealing with. So anyway, should
32:22
Speaker 2: be back on track. It's a good player. I mean,
32:25
Speaker 2: he's one to or he's been a gold Gloff finalist.
32:27
Speaker 2: I guess what I was gonna say. I mean he
32:29
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, he was an All Star, a goal
32:31
Speaker 2: Glof finalist. You can definitely play all three outfield positions.
32:34
Speaker 2: He can definitely swing the bat a little bit. And
32:36
Speaker 2: he's pretty young. So actually I really liked this pick
32:39
Speaker 2: up for them.
32:40
Speaker 3: A little bit of a vet too, got some experience
32:43
Speaker 3: to bring to that young that young core that's already
32:46
Speaker 3: there in Cincy.
32:47
Speaker 2: Some people said he was a glue guy too aj
32:50
Speaker 2: and that when he left, you know, it definitely hurt
32:53
Speaker 2: Baltimore a little bit more than they anticipated in terms
32:57
Speaker 2: of the vibes.
32:58
Speaker 1: They said that last year, Remember we had some oorios
33:00
Speaker 1: guys on that said that last year that when we
33:02
Speaker 1: lost him. It changed something so good for him to
33:05
Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati. And this is one of the teams
33:08
Speaker 1: that I think you can look for an uptick and
33:09
Speaker 1: they're you know, crowds already talked about Lodolo, Tito Francona
33:13
Speaker 1: coming in there, some of their other guys. Another taking
33:15
Speaker 1: another year, Elie de la Cruz, Scott, look at what
33:18
Speaker 1: I'm doing to your Ellie de la Cruz card? Touching it?
33:21
Speaker 3: Don't that touching it? Why?
33:24
Speaker 1: What does it matter?
33:26
Speaker 2: Well? The grade just went from a ten to a one?
33:29
Speaker 3: What if I do this.
33:32
Speaker 2: Now? Why not?
33:33
Speaker 3: When?
33:34
Speaker 2: Kind of weird for like the people?
33:37
Speaker 1: What do I do this or that?
33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably like a like an only fans you
33:42
Speaker 2: know channel for that doing weird things to cards. But anyway,
33:46
Speaker 2: you would know, you would know out of almost you
33:48
Speaker 2: would know. Rody, dude, there's there's somebody who makes millions
33:52
Speaker 2: with just like a cam on them while they're sleeping.
33:55
Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I missing? What am I missing?
33:58
Speaker 2: We're at least talking baseball crats like I'll set up
34:01
Speaker 2: a camera to watch me sleep. I'll make millions.
34:04
Speaker 3: It'll be loud. Look at this note. Do you think
34:06
Speaker 3: this nose ain't snoring.
34:27
Speaker 2: Tim Anderson and Grayson Rodriguez player guests tomorrow on Foul Territory.
34:33
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hot Kratz hats.
34:38
Speaker 3: We'll throw back Central Nice Milwaukee Brewers, appreciate you didn't
34:44
Speaker 3: bring this back. We had baby blue unis with us.
34:48
Speaker 3: What an electric uniform?
34:50
Speaker 2: I love that glove with the baseball inside. You can
34:53
Speaker 2: get to maybe one or two more rumors here real quick.
34:55
Speaker 3: Uh.
34:56
Speaker 2: Bill Plunkett was on Dodger's Territory yesterday and said he
34:58
Speaker 2: has not heard anything about here. Nande'z link to the Dodgers.
35:01
Speaker 2: If you want more on that, you can check out
35:03
Speaker 2: the show. And then some Diamondbacks rumors from Nick Pocoro,
35:06
Speaker 2: who talked about how they still want to add preferably
35:11
Speaker 2: a closer, a late ending option to the bullpen, and
35:14
Speaker 2: a righty bat. So maybe more about the team we
35:17
Speaker 2: were just covering, by the way.
35:21
Speaker 1: Happy birthday Jermaine Die World Series MVP from two thousand
35:24
Speaker 1: and five. It's his birthday today, so happy birthday, JD.
35:27
Speaker 2: Did you text him? He loves ft he follows us
35:29
Speaker 2: on Instagram.
35:30
Speaker 1: I text He's my buddy. He's a good fellow of
35:33
Speaker 1: course I text him. I feel like, you know, as
35:36
Speaker 1: funny is I go. I have a lot of birthdays
35:38
Speaker 1: on my phone, so I'll send out a textas someone
35:40
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him like a year. And they're like, damn,
35:42
Speaker 1: you're crazy if you know it's my birthday. I'm like,
35:44
Speaker 1: I must be crazy. And his car, because his car
35:49
Speaker 1: that he wanted, he might have got rid of it.
35:50
Speaker 1: He did last time I asked him.
35:53
Speaker 3: I think that's super cool.
35:55
Speaker 2: It's a good fella. AJ texts his friends on their birthdays.
35:58
Speaker 2: Good to you tomorrow for Tim Anderson and Grays and
36:01
Speaker 2: Rodriguez