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Strictly Come Hamster Series 4A (featuring Frazer Gregory, Daniel Rawnsley & Kieran Pell) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Convert to takes the lava uses the parts.
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  Greater Fusion Matrix was World part of all the human.
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  Now it's completely. They can convert Millions.
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  Well, can't you change it? But these controls because I
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  can't. But don't you see?
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  That's why the Sue says, can't see the volcano.
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  There is no volcano. Vesuvius is never going to
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  erupt. The power of our stealing was
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  power. They're going to use it to take
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  over the world. But you can change it back.
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  I can invert the system set up the volcano on the map.
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  Yes, but The choice done, it's Pompey, all the world.
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  Oh, it's not just history. The future.
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  Welcome back to Strictly Come hamster.
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  The Doctor Who game show podcast that takes a handful of Doctor
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  Who stories and ask a carefully, picked panel of experts.
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  To either savage or applaud each one before basically just pull a
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  name out of a hat and declaring that the overall winner.
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  Yes, that is the pullback. Yes.
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  That is the usually the worst of the season.
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  So tonight, we are here to talk about the first half of whiskey,
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  Davies, and David Tennant's final full series together.
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  The first time in series 4. Series that brought us the
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  doctor, Donna, Wilfred mock giant wasps walking fish and
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  power in Just on taurens. Star Wars gonna blow my load?
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  Please stop Go song. Oh.
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  So when will put in this panel together, it was obvious what we
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  needed more than anything was tall thin Hansen.
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  Scotsman with an immensely impressive quiff.
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  Sadly, Lee mcmenemy from the Polish box, couldn't be with us
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  tonight. And we did ask him on.
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  He gave us some bollocks excuse about some DIY and but he isn't
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  it isn't he been choking down on toxic fumes or something?
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  Apparently, so it's it's probably for the best because if
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  you have went on seeing the Polish box and you see,
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  introductions that leaders you'll realize just how shit
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  this one is compared with his so yeah, is hopefully going to be
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  with us for the second part and once he's finished dealing with
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  these tight and screws, We can't have our Doctor Who substitute
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  then we need to move on and pick our companion substitutes.
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  Obviously we need the fresh face the new person and one that's a
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  little bit gobby. You got an opinion about them.
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  It's Gonna Keep the horse, go on the tours.
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  Push us in directions. We don't necessarily want to be
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  pushed in and more than anything has a wondrous man of wrong.
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  Ginger hair. Yeah, about three isn't bad.
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  So here, maybe next time. I'm doing great.
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  Thanks for coming on. And we all saw need the return
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  and companion. The person that's been here
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  before the one who's kind who's compassionate, but still got
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  solid backbone. The one that would walk the
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  earth to convince us about their opinion.
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  And also looks excellent dripping here.
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  Why? Jelly?
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  See, hello Daniel wansley. Hello.
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  Hello everyone. Very glad to be back, although I
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  must say I'm podcasting with you guys, I don't know what's right
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  and what's wrong anymore? Jelly reference all about The
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  Martha Winters. Oh right, sorry.
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  Oh yeah, that you know I learned what the word bucket means this
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  week. I'll set that picture on a group
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  chat and they're all saying bucket bucket.
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  So what does that mean? I looked it up.
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  Well God oh look at. All right look I mean bukaki how
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  are you? How can I know a term like that
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  that Drew Ford doesn't? All right.
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  Well does that happen join a group of straight men and cover
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  women in siemen? How would I would be how far
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  we're not even 10 minutes into this?
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  Oh, yes. On the sort of results of Martha
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  Jones dripping wet. Right?
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  I mean, this was gone. Everything should go for this
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  year. Anyhow, moving on that to the
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  two horse that you've got for the seven, it's season 4.
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  We need a shop suited dominatrix.
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  Someone sultry sexy a little bit Smoky who You.
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  Want to boss. You around before, ultimately
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  drop on the bus from a great height.
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  It's your fault. You just want to mate.
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  Well you're not mate with me Sunshine.
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  That's fine. You're just a long nose and
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  string of nothing and then not just leaves me.
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  And the guy who's been quietly infiltrating this show many
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  years now the new world The one with the face, like a bowl of
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  punched spaghetti who talks a load of balls.
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  Fraser Gregory. A place like oh no I'll stop
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  being rude. I was gonna say something.
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  Rude again then say wow. I mean for no, flooring it back
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  now before prices balls. I mean that is enticing, isn't
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  it? Okay, it's on Fraser quickly
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  over here already. Yeah, you say it because he
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  okay, I think if anybody right? And these are five episodes.
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  Yeah, every time somebody said based under siege our piped in
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  that if anyone says an opinion in this episode, that you
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  strongly disagree with, in the comments of things, just shout
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  out Buckeye. All right.
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  Oh no, this is not the drinking game for the evening, I'm gonna
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  do it. I'm glad Joe all that up,
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  because before we get started, I have an announcement.
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  Oh, I got a tattoo done specially for this recording,
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  which I'll show you guys just in a, just in a moment.
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  So before anyone gets any ideas, this isn't anything.
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  Filthy. So don't worry anywhere.
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  Feel free though. Know, but you can do selfish
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  with them up. Please.
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  So quick bit of background for the listeners.
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  You'll remember that scene in the fires of Pompeii, where
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  Donna is having a heart-to-heart with Evelina, the young girl
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  who's been promised to the civilian Sisterhood with the
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  spooky eyes on the back of their hands.
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  And she's trying to warn Evelyn that Mount Vesuvius is going to
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  erupt tomorrow and Evelyn doesn't want to hear it.
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  It's it's completely upset so she puts her hands up in front
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  of her eyes. No, Prophecy.
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  So anytime I anytime someone says an opinion that I disagree
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  with I'm just gonna Put my hands up.
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  Oh this is false prophecy, I have to ask you.
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  This is that buyer or a genuine tattoo.
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  Say, at the end. Oh, please.
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  Okay. Oh no.
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  Oh okay. Oh just pain.
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  He did say it was a proper tattoo.
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  So Well, keep listening. Oh, find out at the end.
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  Don't so why do you Know that monster out of that film.
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  What's it called? Pan's Labyrinth.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, it's a bit tired.
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  Did I say? Four hours?
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  Maybe four. So while Joe here in and Daniel
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  are doing perfect things for podcasting that you can't
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  actually see, let me explain the rules for this evening.
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  So if you've not listened before, the format is quite a
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  simple one. Each of us is gonna pick a story
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  from the first half of series 4 and give three reasons why, but
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  you don't want to save it like a Roman Stone Merchant or drown it
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  like Marsha's 50 mate, fishy made, Can I correctly?
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  Can I confess that for one of these I have, in fact, found 18
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  reasons. Okay, reasons 18, yes.
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  Separate reasons why I'm not saying which direction, but yes,
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  wonderful. And once that's done, the rest
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  of us are going to decide if they've done enough to put
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  around too, where the winning stores will face off each other
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  in a mocktail Gladys tour your boat.
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  If you have listened before, what the hell you doing back?
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  Oh why? You know the doctors don't want
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  to win? You may as well skip to the end.
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  Yeah, pretty much so. Before we get into that though,
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  before we start sorting out the wheat from the chaff.
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  Let's just quickly go around the room and see what everyone
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  thinks about this. Series of Doctor Who
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  specifically this off. In particular we will be coming
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  back later date and the four of us plus Lee to discuss the
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  second half. So we'll start off with Pierre
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  and secure and can you, please make everyone listening at home.
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  Feel terribly, terribly old and tell us how old were you when
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  this series first came out, I was Born.
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  I was four years old. This is my money.
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  Yeah, I am. This is kind of the big boy.
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  I start with Doctor Who properly.
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  I have specifically remember sitting down to watch this and
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  like what was like interim little announcement things.
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  Before the episode, where they announced it.
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  Like the continuity. Yeah, it was a wheel.
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  It was like, the London Eye. It was turning out and it went
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  into the episode. And since that week, it's been
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  fucking every week. I've not stopped.
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  You always read your first year, don't you?
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  Yes. You know, the price, I will
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  never forget, season 25, were you Frazer?
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  Nope. Nope.
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  It's always gonna be up there. It's all you'll never forget
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  series one. yeah, you know, if you forget your first So it's is
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  there a healthy Dawson this dose of nostalgia here?
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  Karen, or is this generally? Do you generally feel?
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  This is a fantastic series? um, I can't lie.
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  This, there's just nothing that compared to really, isn't it?
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  I can see where in some certain episodes, we've got until later
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  where it is, objectively floored and Falls flat on its face but
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  it just has a car. It's probably an Nostalgia but
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  just hasn't indefinable charm. That just keeps me coming back a
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  time and time. Again, it is my complete Comfort
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  season of television. Well, we all know that strictly
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  is the place where objectivity and Russia comes to die.
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  Lonely, lonely death. So that's absolutely fine.
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  So Daniel, same question. You know how old were you?
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  When this first came out. I was so bit older.
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  I think I was in my teenage years, that's still young,
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  Daniel young. I don't feel young today,
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  looking back on it, you So yes, I I grew up with the Russell T
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  Davies era. So it was pretty foundational
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  for me, but yeah, I I fucking love this.
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  This was, it was just a great time to be a doctor who fan even
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  for me. Living in France, living
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  vicariously through all the hype in the UK.
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  You just, we just had three successful series.
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  David Tennant had become a household name and Voyage of the
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  Damned that just got 13 million viewers, which is I still think
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  the probably the most watched Doctor Who episode ever since
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  the city of death. Not that I give much of a toss
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  about viewing figures today, but but yeah bringing Catherine Tate
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  back and pairing up with 10 and I think looking back was
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  probably one of the best decisions they have made in
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  those first, four years. I mean, I loved Martha and rows
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  but tenant and Tate are, I think are just two of the best to to
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  ever do it, looking back. It's just magic, isn't it?
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  It's it's like Tracy and Hepburn but without the sexual tension
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  or that kind of same sort of snap and energy that you get
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  from scribble comedies or the kind of back and forth that you
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  get between a big brother and a big sister, kind of constantly
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  sniping at each other and just this season overall, I think
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  this is a supremely confident season, it's fun, it's funny.
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  It's pitch dark. When it wants to be David
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  tenants at the peak of his powers, he knows his doctor
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  inside out. What works, what doesn't?
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  And same goes for the production team, where the season structure
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  is pretty familiar by. Now, I think we'll, we'll
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  probably agree but, and how they go on to all of how they gone on
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  to do a fifth season. Like this.
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  I think I would have, I would have agreed that the formula had
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  become a bit tired. But there's a reason why
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  formulas become formulas is because they work.
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  And I think this year, it works like like gangbusters.
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  Thank you for that. And Joe, how old were you?
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  When this first came out and I can't remember how old I was,
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  but it was a great time. Oh, I was old.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm older now. I'm practically fucking decrepit
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  compared to YouTube, but I was such a brilliant time that I
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  especially the back off for right, where every episode was
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  being greeted positively where it was being talked about work.
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  I worked in an office and it was genuine water cooler
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  conversation, you know, the merchandise was everywhere, it
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  was and even about the show was fucking brilliant as well.
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  And whilst I don't think Series 5 is as good as a series 4.
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  I think those two seasons rtd's last and moffats first.
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  That was like Peak new who in terms of the general public and
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  the feeling towards Doctor, Who that's when it was at its
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  absolute High. Yeah, wonderful confident,
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  colorful funny entertaining full of heart and emotion.
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  Very aware that kids are still watching and that won't always
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  be the case in the future and given them a ton to talk about
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  an Emmitt in the playground. A brilliant doctor.
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  Companion pairing that lifts like good stories to gray.
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  There's a couple of stories here that are good, but it's got
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  David Tennant. Hey, like working like fucking
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  gangbusters. So they become great.
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  This isn't even the better half of the season, but I think this
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  is a genuinely brilliant, Runner, whose story, so I love
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  it. But The Best Is Yet To Come, Oh
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  yes. The best is yet to come up with.
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  Well, puts me into the really because this is quite possibly,
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  my least favorite of the RTD. She was I'm being honest and
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  back arcade. Oh yeah, this is false prophecy
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  Fraser. I mean, what you've said there
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  about this being sort of like, the peak of the new, the peak of
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  the Revival, I can't do that insulated bit because yes this
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  is when, you know, everyone was watching.
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  Everyone was tuning in. This is the the water cooler
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  stuff like this wall saying, but I'm I very much remember at the
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  time thinking, you know, this is A series 2 for whistle.
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  This is, this is the point. You should have left the show,
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  and I didn't feel that so much about David Tennant.
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  I am old and quite happy for David, and To to step around.
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  But if I mean, I couldn't find the moment, to be honest, it's
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  in end of Sound of drums, when that song started playing.
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  I fucking love that. So I I watched that episode like
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  eight times that way. I love the Cliffhanger.
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  I just put it in its called the drums.
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  Hey, there, baby. I'll just kind of thought.
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  You have had a moment. This is this.
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  It's kind of down, ill, for Mia, and series 4 did very little,
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  kind of convinces. Otherwise it really does pick up
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  at the end. But I just remember coming in
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  these first, you know, half a dozen stories or just kind of
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  thing. And this is very flat, this is
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  very worn out. It's very tired and blah, there
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  is so much energy in these episodes, not compared with the
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  other ones. Know, I think it's so much
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  running around. There's so much color, they're
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  so much action. It's just flat because it's very
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  same me. It's it's it is just the same,
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  you think planet Earth, you just like fires upon paid Yes.
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  Yes. Oh God.
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  As everyone knows now, because I bought a tears with it.
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  I did 60 top stories for the 60th anniversary.
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  And there was a quite a few of the new series in there.
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  But if we looked at the first half of the previous three
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  series, each of those three seas has got at least one story
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  that's in my top 60 in it. This series doesn't.
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  Well that's because your top 60 is wrong Fraser.
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  Yeah. No.
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  It's objective. Right?
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  You know, it's it's close to it to an arguable fact.
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  Is that right? That's the Bible.
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  Is it is? Yes it is.
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  Okay. So I'm curious this.
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  So that was your reaction at the time has has have you mellowed
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  over the years or have you hardened?
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  I wouldn't say excuse. I'm sorry that felt wrong sorry.
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  No, I think it's it probably stayed about the same to be
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  honest. I don't think of oh, okay.
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  And false prophecy. It's sold the gods.
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  If it's, if it's any consolation in the second half, there were
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  two, there were two stories in the second half, which have made
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  it quite High into the top 60 but certainly well, wonder what
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  they are at the first half. I mean, I'm perfectly convinced.
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  I'm folks the second half of series 4 and no we're not doing
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  it now. That is my favorite run of Dr.
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  Who of all time. I don't think that's in there.
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  I think they're all bangers. Sorry, I'll be warm up
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  apologizing because I love something.
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  No, I was not. So I'm, I'm really glad that.
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  I have got three unashamed series, 4 devotees on this, call
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  the evening, because I think that's a really good opportunity
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  for me to get a fresh perspective on some of these
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  stories where I am thinking that's a bit.
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  I got a theory, Fraser, but maybe, yes, maybe young people
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  and people that are young at heart.
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  Love this stuff. Oh no and old man, don't look at
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  the comments, right? All of the older people.
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  Are the ones being a bit critical?
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  You know? Right, right.
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  So what is a series with an older companion?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So alright, then, let's put that theory to the test then and
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  let's get stuck in with the overall comments which are going
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  to be ready this evening. Bye.
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  And Daniel so gentlemen, Would you like to start us off?
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  With Carrie, I'm fans overall comments.
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  On series 4 part. A here we go, spider Emoji, the
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  fourth series, and a creative team at the absolute top of
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  their game. Best pairing of Doc and
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  companions since Tom and Sarah Jane Smith.
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  The better episodes are in the second half the series, but even
• 21:55
  the weakest episode, the doctor's daughter is still very
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  watchable. We don't know who you are,
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  spider Emoji, but you're wise man.
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  Okay, give me a big. Give me an orange Michael Myers.
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  Yes. Big orange, Michael potentially,
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  the best of the RTD era, easily, tenants best season.
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  A lot of good stuff here. Darren lit around doors.
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  I think of sold a bit on this series.
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  It's very of its time whether that's good or bad, it's
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  probably more superficially enjoyable than huge sues of what
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  followed if I'm in the right mood.
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  Then Donna and ten are fun pairing or if they irritate me
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  or they're irritate me intensely if I'm not daring around I am
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  getting a failing Darren don't really like a whole bunch of the
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  new series, right? He hates all of Mafia.
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  Most of chibnall and huge waves of, in fact, he stopped watching
• 22:50
  halfway through Muppets run. So like yeah, sorry about that.
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  Darren you know, that's a man after my own heart, the exact
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  same thing. So I forgive you down, but he
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  does very funny YouTube video. So check him out and see why you
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  enjoy get on. Elliot, I believe this is is
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  this the Elliot from come along pond?
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  That's the one. Hello Elliott.
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  I'm a classic and a fan favorite.
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  But outside of the palpable Chemistry Between Tate and
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  tenant, the individual episodes are pretty wonky.
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  All of it. Feels like I'm being told it's
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  great because that's the consensus.
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  But when you dig into the series, most of the, most of
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  them are already telling you, it's great, Elliott because we
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  think it's great, like, we can only tell you what we think.
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  Watch it again. Brainwashed myself.
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  Yeah. Edward cook Reese series 4 of
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  Doctor. Who is it really is peak for me,
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  this is a time where everyone seems to be watching it and
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  tenant and take really delivering these opening
• 23:48
  episodes. Well, they're not as strong as
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  the second half. What you get a fun adventures
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  with strong. Emotional storytelling on
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  exactly the companion, the doctor needs, and the most and
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  this is most evident in the fires of compact.
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  What a guy? Chris hogben, this was my
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  favorite series of new who. I loved the companion.
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  Doctor relationship. Even the weakest stories are
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  lifted by the pairing Chris oh, man.
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  I mean, I can't disagree with anyone here.
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  Michael storms. The Nemesis series, 4 is the air
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  of rtdl aware that he's coming to the end of his time.
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  And it's beginning to wrap things up, Donna's much needed
• 24:28
  character to not downtown's. Arrogance is also RTD who in
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  concentrated form of all the ups and downs in their Boulders
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  Glory. Otherwise I completely agree
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  that I don't agree, I don't disagree with that.
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  No. No, no, I mean there's so few
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  downs, but yeah. Spider-Man, 72, possibly my
• 24:47
  favorite, season of new, who Donna is a breath of fresh air
• 24:50
  and a welcome change from the previous love sick companions
• 24:53
  only Dove story from this. First half is the doctor's
• 24:56
  daughter will get there. A strong bar, a strong run.
• 24:59
  Otherwise should you have a bit of a kink for men dressed up in
• 25:03
  Spider-Man? Costumes, our suggest, you
• 25:05
  follow Spider-Man, 72 on Twitter and you have a fabulous array of
• 25:09
  pictures. So please continue.
• 25:11
  That's just something. I'm never needed to know the
• 25:14
  voice of experience speaking there, wasn't it?
• 25:16
  Yeah, you Mad Paddington. I feel along with Series 5, this
• 25:25
  is where new people to me. I had no problem with the
• 25:28
  previous companions, but always works better when they're just
• 25:30
  the best of friends. And that's exactly what you have
• 25:32
  here. It's also the series of watch
• 25:34
  the most with my son, so it holds I've just finished that
• 25:38
  holds a special place in my heart for that reason.
• 25:41
  Things. Oh sorry.
• 25:42
  Bit missing. All right.
• 25:44
  Uh, James Lark undercooked complacent.
• 25:47
  Television of the kind that nobody at the BBC or indeed on
• 25:50
  the production team would have expected three years earlier all
• 25:55
  the more annoying for being delivered with an air of
• 25:58
  smugness that absolutely has not been earned.
• 26:01
  Okay, I'm just going to chime in here for a second.
• 26:03
  I've just repeat what I said at the beginning.
• 26:05
  Three successful series, David Tennant as a household name and
• 26:10
  verge of the damn got 13 million viewers.
• 26:12
  I think they've earned the right to be a bit schmuck.
• 26:15
  Absolutely. They have, yes, it's the number
• 26:18
  one show on television. Right now, I'll be smugs See
• 26:23
  even I wouldn't agree with that comment.
• 26:25
  I don't think it's it's not bad, it's not like a Bad series, it's
• 26:30
  just not wait till you get to his episode comments.
• 26:32
  I mean now let's put the the older man Theory to the test.
• 26:36
  Now James I know you're sort of 45 agents almost 50.
• 26:40
  So on this average age of this call you are an old man like me.
• 26:45
  And so yeah that's one tick for the old man, not liking serious
• 26:49
  for keep it tallies somewhere. Right?
• 26:52
  Nathan bodily, Nathan bottomley series, 4B is the best runner is
• 26:56
  in doctors history and so for a tends to go overlooked a bit but
• 27:00
  it's pretty. Great attitude are the best
• 27:02
  hardest crew in the RTD era. The doctor should always have
• 27:05
  somewhere. Adversarial companions, make fun
• 27:07
  of him. He's being a complete dick.
• 27:09
  That's what he's smart and compassionate about perfect.
• 27:13
  She does. I think that's kind of made it
• 27:16
  work for me. Yeah.
• 27:23
  Oh well, we'll get there and correct.
• 27:26
  Nathan, sorry, love with that man.
• 27:29
  Honestly, no one. Hmm.
• 27:31
  Oh, hold up, put it nicely Nathan.
• 27:34
  Bottomley is a mature gentleman. She was, oh, yeah, he's very
• 27:38
  young like me. Yeah.
• 27:41
  Right. It's just going to be your
• 27:42
  excuse everyone. That that's that's all that but
• 27:45
  agrees is just young at heart. All right.
• 27:47
  So I always make this out every time, you know that, right?
• 27:51
  I've got to take myself always and then you just make up quotes
• 27:55
  from. That's right, Adblock points and
• 27:57
  also keep my eyes out tonight. Kieran Evans on the whole decent
• 28:04
  half of the season, but nothing Stella for me.
• 28:07
  Andrew, I was trepidatious when Tate was passed, but she
• 28:11
  excelled the scene between her and attempt Doctrine at artist
• 28:14
  where she implores him to say. Just one life is brilliant.
• 28:16
  Love this season and a strong one of episodes.
• 28:19
  Coming back. The Magnificent Melvin.
• 28:23
  Hey, Siri is for maybe rtd's most complete season, since
• 28:30
  series 1 pivoting toward friendship and away from
• 28:33
  romance. As the bases of the doctor.
• 28:34
  Companion relationship was the correct move this half season is
• 28:38
  all about puncturing vanities. The doctors as much as his Mega
• 28:42
  millionaire, call antagonists in each story.
• 28:44
  That's kind of true. Yeah.
• 28:47
  Oh, I never would Yeah, right, we'll get there.
• 28:53
  I've gotta say right. Can I just say Melvin Pena?
• 28:56
  Because Fraser you up. He did already comment but you
• 28:58
  sort of tagged him didn't use a comment.
• 28:59
  And I'm so pleased he did because we had a reef of episode
• 29:03
  comments. Here's were so interesting, like
• 29:06
  coming from a completely different angle to everybody
• 29:08
  else. So thanks Melvin.
• 29:11
  Say hi from the sublime to the ridiculous partners in crime is
• 29:15
  the lightest, craziest opener and I love it.
• 29:17
  We just order which is cynical dull and nearly exists to fill
• 29:22
  up 45 minutes. Oh fabulous.
• 29:24
  But there's a feeling that rcds sees and template is very tired
• 29:28
  now, half being so hard. It's been indulging in far too
• 29:31
  much macarthy and then he wrote that comment.
• 29:35
  Well, I've never heard of him before but, you know, it's nice.
• 29:38
  It's nice that you trained in with some comments.
• 29:39
  No one should have ever told me that word.
• 29:45
  Here. Rob Davidson series 4.
• 29:49
  Disappointed me at the time as it seemed to have lost the wit.
• 29:52
  And Sparkle of series 1, to 3 RTD is the writer's tale.
• 29:56
  Basically. Confirms this he's tired and his
• 29:58
  attention divided between who and Torchwood fire.
• 30:02
  The Pompeii is great and the library is wonderful.
• 30:04
  Otherwise, it all feels a bit flat.
• 30:06
  Oh yeah. Can I say something about him
• 30:09
  doing three shows here? Yeah, because he was putting
• 30:12
  out, Torchwood Sarah, Jane and Doctor Who write, and all three
• 30:16
  of them to an absurdly. Good standard.
• 30:19
  Yeah. Terrific broadcastable standard
• 30:22
  where all three shows developed an audience of their own
• 30:25
  Torchwood grew in viewing figures, don't you give me that
• 30:28
  face Fraser Gregory Moffitt Henry's Torchwood gained viewers
• 30:32
  as it went along, Sarah Jane Adventures was massively.
• 30:35
  Popular was like the number one. It seemed to be sea slot and
• 30:38
  Doctor Who was far and on all ciders, as far as the public was
• 30:40
  concerned and he was juggling all free coffee, could barely
• 30:44
  get a spin off of the Ground and she'll couldn't do it at all.
• 30:46
  This whole. Yeah, that is not the French
• 30:54
  terrible. You know, you Series 7 compared
• 31:00
  to this one when Russell's, but one more show.
• 31:02
  Now, you're right the most smug complacent television show I've
• 31:07
  ever watched know. That's for sure.
• 31:09
  We're not doing season 4. And what series 4 anymore?
• 31:11
  Yes, brilliant. So before we re-litigate a more
• 31:17
  fats entire career it's it's you have this man.
• 31:21
  Yes, yes, it's interesting that Rob brought up the writer's tale
• 31:24
  because I will bring that up during this recording.
• 31:28
  So thank you, serious. For I finally get a companion.
• 31:32
  I like next time. The next time that happened is
• 31:35
  series 10 so yeah I like series 4.
• 31:39
  I think it's because I'm Donna's a bit like Teagan maybe he
• 31:42
  likes. Oh wave of positivity towards
• 31:47
  serious for when I was comments there.
• 31:49
  Yeah, it was there was there was quite a few like with me which,
• 31:53
  you know, really on Earth because I am really not used to
• 31:57
  You know, the great with, yeah. Right?
• 32:02
  Then? Shall we get to a gentleman,
• 32:04
  shall we? Get stuck in so It is a
• 32:08
  long-standing tradition that the format of the show is that the
• 32:12
  Newbie gets to go first and show me a podcast where I'm not
• 32:18
  afraid of fuk about with the format Joe Ford.
• 32:21
  My God, I was dreading this moment.
• 32:24
  Oh, you bastard. I wasn't ready.
• 32:28
  They the house always pick on the Newbie.
• 32:31
  What's going on? I'm not used.
• 32:33
  I'm not even prepared. I haven't even got.
• 32:34
  Okay, all right. Hang on, I would like choose
• 32:38
  your story. The sontaran strategy Jim, and
• 32:41
  the poison Sky, please. Because I watched it and now, I
• 32:47
  didn't really, I had a sort of mixed opinion about this going
• 32:49
  in for my rewatch, then I rewatched it.
• 32:53
  I'd best time with it. Like I've I will put my hands on
• 32:57
  and say I think it is a load of old tap.
• 32:59
  All right the plot don't make. A lot of sense and tenant is
• 33:03
  hysterical throughout much of it and what is going on with all
• 33:06
  those purple and yellow gels. I mean Douglas MacKinnon were
• 33:10
  you calm down with the purple lighting?
• 33:11
  They are the gayest looking son's you've ever seen however I
• 33:16
  have I was going for a while. I can't really make a big
• 33:21
  argument, it's favor, so I'll just name the 18 things that I
• 33:25
  really enjoyed while watching it.
• 33:27
  So here Oh yeah, pretty much pretty much.
• 33:32
  So I really love the evil Sat Nav in episode 1.
• 33:36
  I love Donna Drive in the Tardis that first scene, whether she's
• 33:40
  driving the Tardis frame regiments back and there's no
• 33:43
  jealousy at all between Martha and Donna.
• 33:45
  The jazzed up unit theme, that that rocks, doesn't that?
• 33:51
  Ross is smoking fucking hot unit is a genuine force.
• 33:57
  Be reckon with this huge numbers of soldiers.
• 33:59
  The two armies in this film, massive.
• 34:01
  Oh, don't go in. I'll ever salute.
• 34:05
  Thank you when, when she impresses, you know, the dust
• 34:13
  Gosling cars is, so, The Tomorrow People is untrue.
• 34:16
  I mean, I just love a big County premise, like that the horrid
• 34:20
  Bee Movie flash monster, leaping out of the snot bar.
• 34:24
  Brilliant Christopher. Ryan treating this madness with
• 34:27
  total seriousness. Why, why would you Donna?
• 34:33
  Letting the doctor make his make his goodbye speech then taking
• 34:36
  the piss out of him. She has a way of puncturing all
• 34:39
  of our CDs read full cliche goes the broken.
• 34:42
  Moon of what, as they get in the car.
• 34:44
  It's fine. I know, Donna going home and
• 34:48
  being embraced by her grandfather.
• 34:49
  That is gorgeous. We're moving the families from
• 34:52
  Doctor Who was a mistake. I put some reason and Donna walk
• 34:57
  him down, a normal street, getting flashbacks, or it really
• 34:59
  hits that I've been on adventures and here, I am just
• 35:03
  on a normal street and I love that feeling, and rcd who Luke
• 35:07
  Raton is utterly visible and pathetic and full of his own
• 35:12
  self-importance Rich. Technically excellent.
• 35:15
  He is Elon Musk in all but name and of course he shocks up with
• 35:19
  a bullies in this Mr. Conditional Cloris with air
• 35:22
  quotes Was a prick. The most musk lining in.
• 35:27
  This thing is when he goes it was never big enough for me as
• 35:31
  he's looking out on the earth which is basically mask, right?
• 35:33
  Wanted to go out. My place Rich, actively the
• 35:37
  awesome CGI for the sontara and ship the whole song to our half
• 35:41
  thing. It's just so absurd.
• 35:43
  I love it. Which means you get the punch of
• 35:48
  the end of the story where Luke wants them all out and goes on
• 35:51
  top. I blow them up which is a great
• 35:54
  payoff for that. I've seen kids do that.
• 35:57
  Actually just the line. You must be one of them aliens
• 36:01
  from photo cribbins, it's just wonderful.
• 36:03
  Evil. Martha is so Camp.
• 36:06
  Has anyone seen Alias? She's like the fake France of a
• 36:10
  of Doctor Who basically it was a Jennifer Garner spy show and
• 36:13
  they killed off her best friend. And then brought in the evil
• 36:15
  version fake fancy. Everyone called her and she said
• 36:18
  it for a whole season and she was all, you know, lovely and
• 36:21
  when they were looking at the second, they were back to turn.
• 36:24
  She was doing like evil faces to the camera.
• 36:25
  That's what exactly what freedom is doing in this, and it's just
• 36:29
  wonderful Sylvia and the axe. I can't believe you got on axes
• 36:34
  Donna, she just goes burglars, Donna, same.
• 36:39
  Maybe we can get sent to enter after the world stopped choking
• 36:41
  to death. When she gets her, keep punching
• 36:44
  that cliche again, Donna on the song and ship, genuinely scared
• 36:48
  wielding, the Mallet and the line back of the neck is just
• 36:52
  Yes, Rose turning up on the screen for a split second, Luke
• 36:57
  waving his gun with zero Authority.
• 36:59
  I really love that Trinity Wells, best.
• 37:02
  Most melodramatic line ever. It is being likened to a
• 37:06
  Biblical plague. Some are calling it The End Of
• 37:11
  Days. Ross's death fucking hell talk
• 37:14
  about making the murder in that scene count because we really
• 37:17
  like Ross, the sun tower are going.
• 37:20
  This isn't War. This is Sport and there's a
• 37:22
  genuinely brilliant actually sequence in that warehouse, the
• 37:25
  Valiant clear in the smoke and fairing on the factory plus
• 37:29
  massive Bazookas and doctors who write?
• 37:31
  We love big guns, the sun tower and dying smiling, just going.
• 37:36
  Oh wonderful, it's great. Turning the earth into a clone
• 37:42
  world makes perfect sense. It's so much more interesting
• 37:44
  than just invading the Earth. Millions of nuts for the war was
• 37:47
  what sometimes were all about. So the motive is there and
• 37:51
  finally the destruction of the sun tower and ship is fucking
• 37:55
  epic, the CGI there, as I was ships fly away and it literally
• 37:59
  bursts like a flower in the sky is gorgeous.
• 38:01
  It's mad. This story is really mad.
• 38:05
  It's a big unit epic. I'm not sure it's objectively
• 38:09
  good. But I had the best time watching
• 38:12
  it so I'm putting it for Wonderful.
• 38:16
  And a couple of things from that one.
• 38:18
  I think I lost count of 18. So yeah, 18 Just can't count.
• 38:25
  No, we have fingers. It might be 20 but it was a lot.
• 38:29
  It was well, I figured no one was gonna be nice about this, so
• 38:33
  I'll just find as many reasons as possible, appreciate that.
• 38:36
  And then second point is, I think Ross came up with lot less
• 38:39
  than I was expecting to that one always.
• 38:41
  And I couldn't really The man's name, you know that the other
• 38:44
  Soldier, the one who's really sort of Butch.
• 38:47
  The one who gets hypnotized Harris Harris.
• 38:51
  He's very pretty, he's a very fuckable Kaur.
• 38:53
  Sis And all these as well. So yeah.
• 39:00
  Happy. I really enjoyed it.
• 39:02
  It's it's campus stupid, but it is really, really fun.
• 39:07
  And if doctor who can't get a pass on being farmed, well, fuck
• 39:11
  you people. So, it's a resounding.
• 39:15
  Yes, for the santorin 2 partner from Joe, shall we see what
• 39:20
  everyone else thinks? Oh, I'm gonna agree with me.
• 39:23
  Well, let's see how we'll go. Would you like to start or
• 39:26
  should I? Oh, I'll stop.
• 39:27
  Because it's a really mean. Comment, Michael storm.
• 39:29
  It's your Nemesis. The rarest man in Doctor, Who
• 39:32
  says pretty much the nadir of RTD one.
• 39:35
  Who in concentrated form, the sontaran plans.
• 39:37
  Feels more like a slovene. Venture.
• 39:39
  And that's bad because we have a young Genius of Adam Levine's
• 39:44
  annoyingness. And that's bad because he's more
• 39:48
  annoying. And that's we feel like 60
• 39:50
  Minutes of the story is the chance on Taha.
• 39:53
  I'm not gonna keep saying that bad because but it is nice to
• 39:57
  see Martha back. But why bring her back only to
• 39:59
  have been replaced by a clone doing?
• 40:00
  I'm a clone acting for the very reasons I explained like or
• 40:04
  write fake francey and for a story where a car with no Sat
• 40:08
  Nav is needed RTD unforgivably Mrs. The chance to bring back
• 40:12
  busy just Imagine 10 and Donna in Bessie, that's far more
• 40:17
  entertaining than this shot. Can I just point out this
• 40:20
  juncture on the Michael storm thinks that Nightmare?
• 40:24
  And silver is the greatest Cybermen story ever.
• 40:26
  You know, the one with the segments that can Slow down time
• 40:31
  or something. That's right.
• 40:32
  But never does it again by the way.
• 40:33
  Yes, just show off a bit always worth bringing that up.
• 40:39
  Daniel, it is a contractual obligation of this podcast that
• 40:43
  that gets mentioned every episode.
• 40:45
  Just like it's contractually for me to point out that Drew Ford
• 40:48
  has a bath with a paradigm doll. It's true.
• 40:54
  Okay, Nathan bottomley. Says so much fun and even more
• 40:59
  relevant now than it was in 2008, the Breezy confidence of a
• 41:03
  Savage and adventure story hilariously funny and with more
• 41:06
  brilliant stuff from the noble, family criminally underrated by
• 41:09
  people who hate fun. Well, speaking of people that
• 41:13
  hate Farm. Daniel Knight says the Sumter
• 41:17
  and two part is okay. That's the best, I can think of
• 41:20
  to say about it. Although, of course, Christmas
• 41:21
  and take a great together in that beautiful scene in the
• 41:24
  street. But Santa ha really Russell.
• 41:27
  I mean, really, that's your Cliffhanger, it's for the kids.
• 41:31
  Oh, someone please. See, I'm telling you. people
• 41:39
  around growing Doctor Who We've been so ages.
• 41:43
  Yeah, okay, let's just say that Paul cresa as a young at heart
• 41:47
  because he says, really enjoy this one.
• 41:49
  Hey, and it is useful man. Honestly, it is very classic who
• 41:53
  in style which I think works in its favor and it has two of the
• 41:57
  hottest unit soldiers ever. So she'll go through on that
• 42:00
  basis alone. Absolutely 100% James Lark, over
• 42:06
  here, James Lark says, what are the instant successes of new who
• 42:09
  was showing a general audience that Dr. Who is a brilliant
• 42:12
  contemporary drama, not the cheap-looking and proper to set
• 42:15
  a stop caricatures, and sci-fi cliches.
• 42:17
  They thought it was the sometimes story is enough
• 42:20
  efficient attempt to reinstate those old assumptions.
• 42:23
  Boo cocky. This is false prophecy like
• 42:30
  boys. Right, let's see how we get on
• 42:33
  then with a James Harden Bennett.
• 42:36
  This cool here and is any unit Storey?
• 42:38
  Tries to warn us of the rise of the tech, brought to what gives
• 42:42
  a Silvia Noble, the bloody great hacks.
• 42:44
  A new veneer of a classic whose story in needs to be kept James.
• 42:50
  So positive. That's why, of course, I would
• 42:55
  like her says, and also, this series came at the right time
• 42:58
  for me. After the poisonous guy, my nan
• 43:00
  passed away. So the rest of the series was a
• 43:02
  very welcome distraction from what was going on in the real
• 43:05
  world. I'm not sure if we scientists
• 43:08
  bad or good there. Just say it was a good
• 43:09
  distraction. That's that's a good that's
• 43:13
  valid. Yeah yeah, moving on to Matt
• 43:17
  Paddington and I know the comedy sometimes thing went a bit far
• 43:22
  for some eventually but this was my influence to them and I love
• 43:25
  it. Martha be, you know, awesome.
• 43:27
  Tomo of brassic is such a fucking brat.
• 43:30
  And the tennis ball probe, a vent thing is is a great bit And
• 43:34
  I love the Cliffhanger night. The doctor is constantly having
• 43:40
  to get wilf out from behind glass.
• 43:43
  Wilfred, it's my honor. How did you do for knocks on a
• 43:50
  podcast? I can't do it.
• 43:52
  Dave? Riley says, hmm, it's
• 43:55
  entertaining enough but it's not as good as others and didn't
• 43:58
  deserve to be a two-parter. That sonta ha nonsense.
• 44:02
  Died loose on Tara and fret. Oh, boy.
• 44:05
  Can we just please address this? These people that think that's
• 44:09
  on Tara was supposed to be serious.
• 44:10
  I mean, they were brought in a fucking comedy characters,
• 44:13
  right? Links is a very funny character.
• 44:16
  Oh baby and I hate the way for too many jokes on Tara and
• 44:20
  tenant and say as always sing to get below.
• 44:24
  Here. Jason Thompson.
• 44:26
  What's it? Quite a short one for Jason and
• 44:28
  the sun tolerance look like He-Man toys.
• 44:31
  The Christopher writing is supervised Style.
• 44:33
  The atmos Sat Nav is a weird and pointless addition to add some
• 44:37
  action scenes in a teaser. Mesa speech holding the surprise
• 44:40
  return with the Valiant is a punch in the air moment, though.
• 44:43
  Are you sure that's Jason Thompson because he hasn't
• 44:45
  picked any of the science support in this.
• 44:46
  Oh, hat for the overall. So I'll get there.
• 44:50
  Oscar Groucho says a Cluedo jigsaw of set pieces glued
• 44:57
  together with expectation. That's like a that refuse like a
• 45:01
  cryptic crossword. Clue.
• 45:01
  Isn't it like a haiku? Yeah.
• 45:05
  Kevin's. Balancing.
• 45:07
  The first proper post. 2005 units story in the retroduction
• 45:11
  of the sontarans does, okay? But nothing special I dislike
• 45:16
  the look of the sontarans. Flocks for the win.
• 45:19
  He got it says this is okay, I'm hearing okay.
• 45:23
  A lot but a traditional are not particularly interesting, was a
• 45:28
  good but it's a start then becoming comedy.
• 45:30
  Buffoons highlight for me, other things with Donna and her
• 45:32
  family, which are much more interesting than the main story
• 45:35
  or smile that word again. Is this gonna be the drinking
• 45:38
  game? First one and okay, two-parter.
• 45:42
  This on torments. Look great.
• 45:44
  Bernard cribbins is brilliant. Just not a very engaging story
• 45:47
  for me. Melvin Pena.
• 45:49
  A spoiled weirdo Tech, bro, fascist a lying in the self with
• 45:53
  Foreigner and enemies and trying to take his Eugenics program
• 45:57
  off. World is a storyline that hits
• 45:59
  much differently for me now than it ever has before.
• 46:04
  But those that you don't know, Melvin is American.
• 46:06
  So yes, I think that's going to hit him for him, isn't it?
• 46:09
  And John Arnold? The weakness of RTD Seasons
• 46:14
  tends to be the fairly empty early season 2 partners.
• 46:18
  In this is no exception. Full of Sound and Fury
• 46:21
  signifying. Not very much at all. and, We
• 46:26
  are big. Big, give me an orange. oh, My
• 46:31
  oh so many familiar faces says, Big Orange.
• 46:36
  Michael back for a two-parter. That's my weakest part of foray
• 46:40
  or maybe I had my hopes set too high and I need to read.
• 46:44
  This is well at least he's prepared to be educated.
• 46:46
  Maybe we'll do it here. Well, let's have a look here.
• 46:50
  And what's your thoughts on this one?
• 46:51
  Um, I'm really broken on this one because it's got so much to
• 46:58
  like, about it. You know, like well like Melvin,
• 47:01
  he said about Elon Musk. It's so blatant.
• 47:04
  There you get in the first scene that is, oh, this is Elon Musk
• 47:08
  and I love the the way it kind of Conflicts like what's the,
• 47:15
  what's called Harrigan? Oh, radican.
• 47:19
  But again, with two teeth, Mr. Conditional Clause mystical
• 47:25
  where and he's so obsessed with this like Eugenics program that
• 47:30
  he fails to realize, this ontarians are a cone race.
• 47:32
  Why would they be interested in this genetic program?
• 47:34
  But I think you can excuse that as just the fact that he's so
• 47:39
  Full of himself that he would, just, he just doesn't care
• 47:42
  Freeman. That's more free Arrangement.
• 47:44
  That's two hours. Three hours.
• 47:45
  More free on my screen in fine, no complaints there.
• 47:49
  Operation Blue Skies go, yes, Martha Jones, Industrials, Blue
• 47:55
  Sky. What do you think about?
• 47:57
  What do you think about the line reading of though?
• 47:59
  I'm bringing you back the next time.
• 48:05
  I just wondering about that line, actually.
• 48:08
  Like I just imagine her going up to Colonel Mason saying, right,
• 48:11
  sir. So the doctors gonna come, so
• 48:14
  I'm just gonna give him a call. I'm just gonna go in this car
• 48:16
  and I'm gonna get the shit Ali behind you, and one other couple
• 48:23
  of the sky, I'm gonna say I'm bringing you back to her.
• 48:26
  It is that good? And I just think it's going, oh,
• 48:30
  yes, Jones. So carry on and then turning to
• 48:33
  see what I saw the security camera.
• 48:37
  Like, why does she do all that on the anyway.
• 48:40
  Um, is a great joke. I love that.
• 48:43
  A little pullback there. Ross again, Ross should have
• 48:46
  joined, the Tardis. I think.
• 48:48
  I think he would have been a great, like, Harry Sullivan type
• 48:52
  figure to have a long. He's funny.
• 48:53
  He doesn't say much to be fair, but the little he does say, is
• 48:57
  memorable and it sticks with you and you love it.
• 48:58
  Yeah, Mr. Conditional Clause. Again, Chris should have come
• 49:03
  out of the, the gunk instead of Martha.
• 49:06
  That would have been quite nice. I would get put them into the
• 49:09
  doctor's daughter. I think it'll work great.
• 49:10
  Christopher, Ryan's great is the song as the general style, you
• 49:16
  know, oh he's, he gives it so much conviction to the song, and
• 49:19
  he really believed him, That's not nice to see this on Tara's
• 49:25
  doing something apart from running headfirst and about what
• 49:28
  the end up doing. So, but you know, trying to be a
• 49:30
  little bit sneaky, first of all, but a lot of it also lets me
• 49:33
  down and I can't wrap my head around some of the stuff.
• 49:37
  It's It's been 40 years. Right, since the third doctor
• 49:43
  left her after all, those invasions unit is still
• 49:46
  completely incompetent dealing with any aliens around.
• 49:51
  Well first, then they turn it around and just blow up the
• 49:54
  factory. Yeah, they changed the bullets
• 49:56
  around and yeah, it's just fixed everything, but no, they should.
• 50:00
  They should know how to deal with this by now.
• 50:02
  Like, oh, the workers have come in and they all acting weird and
• 50:06
  I don't know, but they surely there would have been a more
• 50:08
  advanced plan than just bum, rush the factory and we'll
• 50:11
  figure it out like The Cliffhanger again is a bit
• 50:15
  rubbish because you know what, they're just gonna break the
• 50:16
  window. There's going to be over the
• 50:18
  song for half is great as well. Yeah.
• 50:20
  Um, I also think Martha's too competent.
• 50:24
  A companion to be kidnapped if that makes sense.
• 50:26
  Like, in most of Series 3 she's the one who gets the doctor out
• 50:30
  of these situations. So how was she how she just get
• 50:33
  abducted? So easy to take off, I guess
• 50:35
  she's taking off guard. He's lost us enough to stop
• 50:42
  falling in that ball in the doctor's daughter.
• 50:44
  Is she? That's true.
• 50:45
  That's headlong down into that. This is nothing to do the
• 50:49
  episode. I guess it's doing.
• 50:51
  Once I got the poisonous. But poison, I started checking
• 50:54
  the little iPlayer. How long I've got left to this
• 50:56
  left. So I just got a bit bored
• 50:58
  towards the end. Also, the doctor just commits.
• 51:02
  Well, the doctor doesn't commit genocide rating and commissioner
• 51:05
  but the doctor was well willing to play the song that the bloody
• 51:08
  sky. And next week is the man who
• 51:09
  never would but it was gonna give him a chance though.
• 51:12
  He was like, I'm giving you a chance to leave, you know. so we
• 51:16
  all know you want to blown in Sky High, what I love and that
• 51:20
  in that climax, right, where he's going, I'm gonna blow you
• 51:22
  up and style just goes well do it then?
• 51:25
  Yeah, oh shit. Oh he acts and finally Atmos.
• 51:37
  Like the underground doesn't make sense, right?
• 51:39
  It's atmospheric emission system and that doesn't like abbreviate
• 51:42
  it Atmos, right? That just pissed me off on just
• 51:46
  like a on a certain level. I just don't know why I'm
• 51:49
  radical look about you Mr. Conditional clause.
• 51:55
  He saying atmospheric emission system.
• 52:04
  I just had so much fun with the sontarans that I'm just gonna
• 52:07
  have to put it through. Oh, right?
• 52:15
  That is one vote to go through from Kieran.
• 52:17
  Daniel, what are you doing with this one?
• 52:18
  Oh well, I'm yeah, I have talked to someone about this and they
• 52:23
  were like, oh, it's so dated isn't it?
• 52:25
  Oh look we live in this. Incredibly polluted increasingly
• 52:29
  military world where Humanity relies more on technology
• 52:33
  because we think that's gonna solve all our problems and
• 52:37
  you've got as I'm people being bringing up Elon Musk, I don't
• 52:40
  see it. I mean, a thin skin tech bromenn
• 52:43
  child who's incredibly rich and lonely and he's kind of a
• 52:47
  megalomaniac and he fancy himself a genius and he says
• 52:51
  he's gonna save the world and he's gonna do it with his cars
• 52:54
  but don't work. So dry and he runs a corporation
• 53:00
  with a five-letter name because Atmos has three letters in
• 53:04
  common with Tesla and he's obsessed with the idea of
• 53:08
  colonizing other planets. And yes someone mentioned.
• 53:11
  Yeah, he's gonna suck up to the to the Conquering military.
• 53:15
  Power to do. So even if it means destroying
• 53:18
  the planet and he recommends, killing female journalists,
• 53:21
  because he thinks it's cool. And so, I think units say his
• 53:26
  father is all a bit Hitler Youth.
• 53:28
  And yeah, it's uncanny, isn't it?
• 53:32
  He's designed a breeding program.
• 53:34
  Yeah, yeah, I can't see it. I have nothing.
• 53:40
  Is this is a terrible. I don't see what relevance, this
• 53:43
  story has today and not at all. Yeah, so yes.
• 53:47
  That's a bit of a modern reading on it, but um, but yeah.
• 53:50
  I think this story is so much fun.
• 53:54
  I put it on a couple years ago for the 60 of and once we need
• 53:59
  that tenant and Russell and Tate were coming back and that's such
• 54:03
  a good time watching it. So yeah the first reason is is
• 54:07
  um yeah the people mentioned her way, I think.
• 54:12
  Yeah. Have we ever had a new series to
• 54:15
  It's more Classic series than this.
• 54:17
  I mean, you've got the message, you've got this, Ontario and
• 54:20
  you've got unit, you've got a companion working with unit.
• 54:23
  You've got people driving about in GT, got the big country
• 54:26
  Mansion. It's basically a giant love-in
• 54:28
  for poetry and evil, doppelganger.
• 54:30
  Yes, evil Doppel going up. I'll get there.
• 54:33
  What I like about it though is that it's kind of taking all
• 54:37
  these familiar tropes and Comforts that we associate with
• 54:40
  the part we are. And it kind of sort of re-enter
• 54:43
  agates them at a little bit, puts them in a different context
• 54:45
  to see how they kind of bump up against the modern world.
• 54:47
  And it's very interesting how it doesn't recreate the doctors
• 54:52
  relationship with unique because, you know, it's the unit
• 54:54
  family. And back in the day we had the
• 54:56
  Brigadier and Benton and Yates and and Joe grahan.
• 55:00
  And and tenant says, it was all a bit more home spun back then
• 55:04
  kind of like this podcast. Came out at the tail end of the
• 55:18
  Bush era. So it's got all these, you know,
• 55:22
  this boatloads of military extras and a modern unit for the
• 55:26
  modern world. And then Donna says, well, I
• 55:29
  mean that arresting Factory workers in broad daylight it's
• 55:32
  more like Guantanamo Bay out there and Martha even mentions
• 55:35
  what their searching for illegal aliens.
• 55:38
  Uh, in the name of Homeworld security, and you have those two
• 55:43
  soldiers Harrison gray. So they're like the two extremes
• 55:46
  of of the modern kind of pimped out units.
• 55:48
  So Harris is the cocky. March show.
• 55:51
  Confident one who also is quite good at deduction and is at
• 55:55
  least trying to understand the alien life forms that he's
• 55:58
  dealing with whereas gray is kind of the scary cat.
• 56:01
  And he's constantly saying, oh, we should go back and let's call
• 56:03
  back up because he can't take any initiative himself.
• 56:06
  Yes. And Benton isn't it, you decide
• 56:10
  which one is, which? Yeah, the song Tara's.
• 56:13
  Yeah, we've said it before, I mean, this is a, this is the
• 56:15
  first time they bring it back the first time they bring back
• 56:18
  the song Tara's and they're treaties as a credible threat.
• 56:22
  But they also embrace the campiness a bit too.
• 56:25
  So you get all the short jokes and the Humpty Dumpty humor.
• 56:28
  And, you know, and they're so polite to where General Stars,
• 56:32
  Harrison Granny's like I apologize for disabling, you Um
• 56:39
  and Dan Starkey is just having a blast, they give him that great
• 56:42
  line. They're running like slime bait
• 56:45
  from a steel Fox, where he's just having the time of his
• 56:49
  life. I think it's his best
• 56:50
  performance actually. I mean, I like strikes, but I
• 56:53
  think he peaked here. It's the lines, Daniel, it's the
• 56:56
  lines. This is a war.
• 56:58
  This is what number second reason.
• 57:04
  All the character moments, there's so many great characters
• 57:07
  and the women actually, especially in this story is so
• 57:11
  important. So Martha and Donna, two, female
• 57:13
  companions, who get along famously.
• 57:15
  They gang up on the doctor at the start.
• 57:17
  And we're all glad that they didn't rehash the rows versus
• 57:21
  Sarah Jane kind of jealousy contest in school reunion
• 57:24
  because they've done that, they're not gonna do that.
• 57:26
  Again, the journalist at the beginning, Jonah Kashima, whose
• 57:30
  tossed out the rat in a cat again Academy in her first thing
• 57:33
  is right. Well, I'm gonna go and tell unit
• 57:35
  then and that's why they have to kill her.
• 57:38
  Captain Marion price whose Colonel Mason subordinate, who's
• 57:42
  coordinating the new nuclear strike and she gives in that big
• 57:45
  kiss at the end and then they all they both look a bit
• 57:47
  embarrassed. That's a bit weird, and imagine
• 57:51
  Corporal during that to the Brigadier at the end of a
• 57:54
  crosses. The female student, who stands
• 57:56
  up to rat again. It's like, right?
• 57:58
  Fuck you. I'm gonna find my brother, I
• 57:59
  don't care what a gun at me, if you like, I'm walking out.
• 58:02
  So Sylvia freeing will from the car with the axe, but then she's
• 58:07
  such a cow to Donna as well. And and then she kind of
• 58:09
  collapses in Bernard cribbins his arms when they're sealed
• 58:13
  inside the house. So, it's a very sort of.
• 58:14
  She goes on a journey in this episode.
• 58:19
  Lee mcmenemy. This is for you evil Martha.
• 58:22
  I love an evil companion. I had such one of my doctor who
• 58:26
  guilty pleasures except well, except I never guilty about my
• 58:29
  pleasure partly because it gives the actor something different to
• 58:33
  do. While also pretending to be the
• 58:37
  character, they usually supposed to be. but also because, you
• 58:40
  know, that image of an evil dripping wet naked, Free Mirage,
• 58:46
  amen. I mean, it's naked from the,
• 58:47
  from the shoulders up, but still and before, and yes, before this
• 58:52
  podcast becomes two heterosexual, Ross, again, those
• 58:57
  close-ups on his face. Oh yes.
• 59:00
  Martha herself though. Because she even though she is
• 59:04
  replaced by an evil, doppelganger, for most of the
• 59:06
  story she still so sort of endearing and full of empathy.
• 59:11
  And so she's the one who convinces her clone to give up
• 59:13
  the info about the, the Clone feed gas, and then kind of tries
• 59:19
  to sort of comfort her as she dies.
• 59:20
  So, I think I like that, that's nice and of course Donna.
• 59:23
  There's there's she has that scene on her actually in the
• 59:27
  Tardis where and this was rewatching it again.
• 59:30
  I was like well why was that? Because I had spent the longest
• 59:33
  time thinking. Why is that seen in there?
• 59:35
  She kind of just gives up and and his kind of crying on the
• 59:38
  phone to will but then I realized well that because she's
• 59:42
  so insecure, she doesn't believe in herself.
• 59:45
  When the doctors not there and so behind the brashness behind
• 59:49
  the attitude. She's so sort of lost and
• 59:52
  Afraid. And and so you get a similar
• 59:55
  moment like that in the stolen on Earth where the doctor gives
• 59:58
  up and she's just horrified, she can't believe that he would just
• 1:00:01
  lose all hope like that and then you know, the doctors on the
• 1:00:04
  phone kind of building up her confidence again so I think I
• 1:00:06
  love that it's just great. Um, and finally, my number one
• 1:00:11
  reason for putting this through, is David, Tennant is such a
• 1:00:16
  fucking massive prick in this. He is.
• 1:00:22
  I think we forget sometimes, as Doctor, Who fans how this
• 1:00:25
  overall impression that we have of David Tennant as the, the
• 1:00:29
  charismatic fun, loving cheeky Charming kind of Errol Flynn
• 1:00:32
  type is, I mean, he can be, he can be but it's only really
• 1:00:35
  reinforced because we go into each episode kind of expecting
• 1:00:38
  that. And in each episode, we do get a
• 1:00:40
  bit of that. So we think well, yeah, that's
• 1:00:42
  that's who this doctor is. But also and you can see this in
• 1:00:45
  some of his very first stories and I don't think he all Russell
• 1:00:49
  shy away from this is that he can also be an incredibly
• 1:00:53
  Advocate. And if you think of the previous
• 1:00:57
  two part of that Helen Rayner wrote evolution of the Daleks
• 1:01:01
  where he's just permanently pissed off in that story.
• 1:01:03
  And he's really kind of snide and unpleasant and doing all
• 1:01:07
  this shouting, ah, And I just have that.
• 1:01:10
  I have a very that story. He was just pissed off that Phil
• 1:01:14
  Collins and got to go to New York and he was stuck in muddy
• 1:01:17
  Cardiff doing all these night shoots and freezing.
• 1:01:20
  His arse off, you know, like the whole confidential team went to
• 1:01:23
  New York. What?
• 1:01:25
  And I'm in a sewer. So yeah, and but in this story I
• 1:01:31
  think it's the complete. I think that he loves this
• 1:01:34
  script because it's been given its giving him all these great
• 1:01:37
  one-liners and he gets to Fanboy over the sontaran pro big vent
• 1:01:42
  and he gets to ride around in a Jeep and give orders and Bully.
• 1:01:46
  Colonel mace and sort of saying oh all times like this.
• 1:01:49
  I could do with the Brigadier. No offense.
• 1:01:51
  What? I can't like every five minutes.
• 1:01:56
  They're heading you over the head that he doesn't like guns.
• 1:01:59
  He doesn't like salutes. He doesn't like being called sir
• 1:02:02
  but he's the one who's ready to sacrifice himself and blow all
• 1:02:05
  the centaurs up at the end with what's essentially a bomb in,
• 1:02:08
  you know? And so it's like a John, Peart
• 1:02:10
  we act on steroids, you know. And I love that scene.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah, when he goes to the rattikin academy and correct
• 1:02:18
  Luke's grammar and just dismantles, the app.
• 1:02:22
  One out More Concept in a second where he said, oh, it takes an
• 1:02:25
  end with vision. Mmm, Lincoln vision.
• 1:02:28
  I've Got a Theory, you know, Daniel I've got a theory that,
• 1:02:31
  you know, you said, Donna doesn't believe in herself
• 1:02:34
  because she's not with the doctor and I think the doctor is
• 1:02:37
  such a prick, because he's not with Donna.
• 1:02:40
  And if he was with Donna, she would slap him around the face.
• 1:02:43
  Like she does in all the upper episodes, but they spend most of
• 1:02:47
  the story apart. So we are, he's all time most
• 1:02:50
  country and it's interesting too because the, when he Martha
• 1:02:54
  reunited, at the beginning that scene is is shot.
• 1:02:57
  Exactly like him reuniting with Captain Jack in Utopia, where
• 1:03:02
  it's all kind of a bit awkward and distant at the beginning
• 1:03:05
  before they go in for the big hug and then Martha starts
• 1:03:08
  running around with soldiers and Donna's, like whoa, is that what
• 1:03:11
  you did to her, you turned her into a soldier and he's like, oh
• 1:03:14
  shit, did I fuck her up worse than I realized, you know?
• 1:03:17
  So, and he's way of dealing with that is kind of lashing out
• 1:03:21
  everyone and acting like a sanctimonious get really You
• 1:03:26
  know and it's it's Colonel mace who asked to come up with the
• 1:03:29
  the solution. He's the one who finds the
• 1:03:31
  bullet jamming signal, he's the one who leads the fight to
• 1:03:34
  recapture the factory, he's the one who shoots dance doggy
• 1:03:37
  himself. And you expect there to be a
• 1:03:40
  scene at the end where he and the doctor kind of make up and
• 1:03:42
  shake hands and appreciate each other's differences.
• 1:03:45
  No, doctors write, fuck off, I don't care.
• 1:03:49
  He does get that liner, doesn't it?
• 1:03:50
  You get in a taste for IT. Doctor.
• 1:03:52
  Yeah. Oh not me.
• 1:03:53
  No, wait a minute, but but also he does get those a couple
• 1:03:58
  moments where he's a bit vulnerable.
• 1:03:59
  So, the Cliffhanger yeah, is a bit lame.
• 1:04:02
  But he does, he suddenly out of ideas, he doesn't know how to
• 1:04:05
  get will out of the car until Sylvia comes along with the
• 1:04:08
  common sense thing of just break the fucking window.
• 1:04:10
  And I And finally, the thing where he ignites the atmosphere
• 1:04:16
  at the end. So yes, that probably is, is a
• 1:04:20
  bit scientifically implausible, I'm setting the whole atmosphere
• 1:04:23
  on fire and I would be freaking the fuck out like, you know, I
• 1:04:27
  would be listening to a, probably a government edict
• 1:04:30
  saying stay inside. Don't go out for two weeks
• 1:04:32
  instead of everyone going out going.
• 1:04:34
  Well, you know the street doing a shopping choking.
• 1:04:41
  Do you remember that bit? What are you doing outside
• 1:04:44
  woman, you know? And, you know, that's terribly
• 1:04:47
  naive ending of of Sylvia coming and going.
• 1:04:50
  Oh, everyone's on bikes and walking to work.
• 1:04:52
  Yeah, that would last, all of like, yeah, two days probably,
• 1:04:55
  but I do appreciate that. Little touch of the doctor,
• 1:05:00
  activates the converter, and shoots it off into the
• 1:05:02
  atmosphere. And he crosses his fingers,
• 1:05:05
  like, oh, please, please, please, please, please, please,
• 1:05:06
  please. So, even, he doesn't know, it's
• 1:05:08
  a kind of a Gamble and he's just hoping for the best.
• 1:05:10
  And I think that's very, very doctor is so.
• 1:05:14
  So, yes, keep keep, keep keep keep keep right.
• 1:05:18
  That's right before. You can't just like, before,
• 1:05:22
  what we came on this call, I walked up the stairs and I said
• 1:05:25
  out loud Fraser, I'm bringing you back to hamster.
• 1:05:29
  I'm gonna do it every time now, wonderful.
• 1:05:34
  And I mean, that's a terrible Lane as in it, it is.
• 1:05:37
  No, it's all. It's so quotes, isn't it?
• 1:05:41
  We've done about four times already.
• 1:05:42
  I think you've just got a look at them, three months, delivery
• 1:05:45
  of that. Lane just literally shake and
• 1:05:47
  her hair. Just This episode really does
• 1:05:56
  Martha the dirt. Yeah I think and it's You know,
• 1:06:01
  she's got some crappy dialogue. She gets turned into a clone
• 1:06:05
  halfway through so she's got to do a whole sort of like clue and
• 1:06:08
  acting and it's not really what I wanted know.
• 1:06:11
  I love Martha, I want Martha back you know all guns blazing
• 1:06:14
  kicking and shouting and doing what Martha does best and you
• 1:06:18
  know she's shoved away in the Evil offer even.
• 1:06:22
  I don't need to be smart. Yeah, I love evil Martha.
• 1:06:27
  I mean, you've listened to the big finish.
• 1:06:31
  The genocide machine if you want a bad clone, if you want, bad
• 1:06:35
  clone act. Oh yeah.
• 1:06:36
  There is some ACE gets turned into that one and he in
• 1:06:46
  terrible, it's pretty. It's a lot better than that one.
• 1:06:48
  Don't see that name? It's like the Candyman will
• 1:06:51
  never get to bed. My heart's.
• 1:06:53
  Well, if you Kieran. Oh no, oh God.
• 1:06:56
  No, I even think. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's no
• 1:07:00
  surprise. So children is a worse actress
• 1:07:03
  and framework. Actually, you know, the doctor
• 1:07:15
  was never gonna blow this on top ones up.
• 1:07:16
  It's quite obvious for how long he stands there with him, you
• 1:07:20
  know? Good.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah. Come on.
• 1:07:21
  Press the button. I will I need to go on them.
• 1:07:24
  Any minute, you know, tell you what, I'll do with the
• 1:07:27
  countdown. For y'all can't stop counting
• 1:07:28
  down 15. You know, shoot, you know, I'm
• 1:07:31
  gonna blow you know, it's together.
• 1:07:32
  It's no, it's, it's never turn off two and a quarter two.
• 1:07:37
  Should we blow ourselves up with that help?
• 1:07:39
  You know, that would have been booked and yeah, this is this is
• 1:07:43
  one that's that's on my pile to to bin.
• 1:07:46
  And it's it's it's very much like because I'm of series 4,
• 1:07:51
  you know, everything that I feel about series was kind of in this
• 1:07:55
  in this story. This is we need a good bits of
• 1:07:58
  you just covered the media. Well and you know, I do like
• 1:08:01
  sort of the the turnaround of of units where it's like let you
• 1:08:06
  see no unit or 40 years. Going strong, still shit and
• 1:08:10
  bought and then you know, that bit where the two kind of turn
• 1:08:14
  around. Yes, we'll figure that out.
• 1:08:15
  We didn't need your help. She has meat wouldn't need your
• 1:08:18
  help with one block the guns, we've got the Big Spaceship.
• 1:08:22
  The value. Yeah, to do that.
• 1:08:28
  It's a real good turn around there so I do like that bit and
• 1:08:32
  Cathy kind of Don't think anyone can really say a bad word about
• 1:08:36
  Catherine Tate tonight and the neck.
• 1:08:39
  I think, you know, her performance is bringing Donna,
• 1:08:43
  it is, it is really nice to have Donna Coleman along and You
• 1:08:48
  know, seeing things and doing things that and normal RTD
• 1:08:51
  companion wouldn't, and I love that scene where he's like, oh
• 1:08:55
  yeah, I was gonna take you here and I was gonna take your space
• 1:08:58
  name and next space name, and other space name and a half moon
• 1:09:01
  of Zorba and the broken Moon of what must and all of us.
• 1:09:11
  And she's just looking at him as a you don't and I like, you
• 1:09:18
  know, it's it's done. That kind of figures that little
• 1:09:20
  clue about the the workers in the factory.
• 1:09:23
  Is that yeah you know. Look at each other.
• 1:09:26
  Yeah, exactly. Don't know.
• 1:09:29
  Look at the people. Don't go in looking at, you
• 1:09:31
  know, the science thing. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Look at the people on the people.
• 1:09:35
  It's very Donna, isn't it kind of focusing on the people but
• 1:09:38
  and Stall. Christopher Ryan, let me see.
• 1:09:42
  Is it's for Norman he's playing this straight as a die, isn't he
• 1:09:45
  is absolutely. Um, having the time of his life
• 1:09:48
  with this and you know that Here, the planet is going
• 1:09:54
  nuclear. His bravery nonetheless.
• 1:09:58
  That is a great line is like Sorry, I got it.
• 1:10:03
  Did make a sound a bit like I'm up at first, you order.
• 1:10:07
  That's how you made him sound like you would.
• 1:10:11
  Press the button. How are you?
• 1:10:20
  Threatened does not. Oh go for that voice as general
• 1:10:25
  style, you know, but I think Owens are kind of under the
• 1:10:29
  little bit as well. Yeah and I think it's, it's
• 1:10:30
  really frustrating that this is You know, it's it's again, it's
• 1:10:35
  the sort of like, repetition of what we're doing in this.
• 1:10:37
  We're bringing in an old monster back and we're bringing, and
• 1:10:41
  it's the third one that will bring him back with her dollars
• 1:10:44
  back. We've had the Cybermen back.
• 1:10:47
  Possibly the fourth of your account the master.
• 1:10:48
  But it's it's again it's in this place, it's in the first two,
• 1:10:51
  it's the monster two-parter and so bringing us on time and click
• 1:10:57
  ones. for some reason, you know, I don't get why does every
• 1:11:03
  franchise need to have Klingons? You know, this, we'll get free
• 1:11:07
  cling on some doctor, who will get sometimes turned into the
• 1:11:09
  Klingons Moffat turns the, the saloons in the Klingons and then
• 1:11:14
  goddess turns the bloody ice worries into Klingons,
• 1:11:18
  everyone's wants to be Klingons. They want to be this Noble.
• 1:11:20
  Warrior is oh no you know the problem is is obviously that you
• 1:11:26
  know Christopher Ryan as fantastic though.
• 1:11:28
  He's not Michael Dawn, he's not worth he's not a big, you know,
• 1:11:32
  bull Jade go on like cling on who can you know, get away with
• 1:11:36
  us Auto bulshit dialogue. And I just think, you know, As a
• 1:11:41
  reinvention, it doesn't really work, you know, it's not quite
• 1:11:44
  comedy. I don't think the plane that the
• 1:11:47
  Santander's for comedy, but You know, they're not quite playing
• 1:11:50
  them straight as well. Lines are Absolute Comedy.
• 1:11:53
  Like, this isn't Sports here and I don't think ever work when
• 1:11:58
  they're trying to be comedic. It's like, The comedy is found
• 1:12:01
  and that they are or they're so sincere about their one goal to
• 1:12:05
  fucking die in combat that, and they'll take it to such an
• 1:12:08
  extreme that it becomes like hilarious and that's what until
• 1:12:11
  chip. Don't get his hands on them and
• 1:12:13
  puts one on a horse, and then it's absolutely fucking areas.
• 1:12:15
  That's right. As a serious Foe and I think
• 1:12:23
  right in the center, then plan is absurd.
• 1:12:30
  The whole tone of this episode is late entertainment.
• 1:12:33
  There's not really much drama going on the drama that we do.
• 1:12:35
  Get the things like, you know, Martha with that Claude, it's
• 1:12:38
  like, what five minutes? See, Ross is death.
• 1:12:41
  What is death is is a waste of Ross.
• 1:12:46
  I'm afraid it's a great City know, otherwise it's just
• 1:12:49
  faceless unit people die, you are wrong.
• 1:12:52
  You that hits because we love him.
• 1:12:56
  What's what's the song? What's it's not struck.
• 1:12:58
  Its what's no? No, don't stop you.
• 1:13:02
  Sometimes the one that he gets a better death and Ross.
• 1:13:05
  Come on the score, right? It's not you.
• 1:13:09
  It's not it's it's a really Ruby better Direction because
• 1:13:14
  voiceless that's the place is so weird.
• 1:13:17
  Like turn corners. No, I refuse.
• 1:13:26
  The dogs are Corners the camera tries to follow the lasers but
• 1:13:29
  yeah, it's quite got the the ability to do that.
• 1:13:33
  So just looks like a bit of enough, you know, shoot out in a
• 1:13:35
  in a corridor basically and then you know, Ross get shot as well
• 1:13:39
  but don't even get seen get shot.
• 1:13:40
  He doesn't have any sort of like he's like it's like the door
• 1:13:44
  won't show him getting shot on screen so it's literally over
• 1:13:49
  his corpse for about 10 seconds. No I think they make up.
• 1:13:54
  I think that's just like a watershed things to do the same
• 1:13:56
  thing. Yeah, yeah, those people we
• 1:14:02
  don't care, Ross died. We care.
• 1:14:04
  It could have been better. It could I think David's
• 1:14:08
  reaction to roster and His Brilliant.
• 1:14:10
  The doctors we are like I love I love sort of like the impotence
• 1:14:15
  of the doctor in this, you know? Yeah he is you know, years, this
• 1:14:19
  big prick as we all agree but no one, no one's listening.
• 1:14:22
  It's, it's like him and like, and no one's listening about,
• 1:14:25
  like no one's listening at the doctor.
• 1:14:26
  They're just too clever tricks together.
• 1:14:27
  What they they're about to launch the nuclear strike and
• 1:14:31
  he's like, what I told you not to launch.
• 1:14:33
  Stop engaging sometimes. If only someone that punched him
• 1:14:39
  at one point, just one person back of the neck and oh, but I
• 1:14:46
  think it's this Pearson problems with this as well.
• 1:14:48
  I think it's not a two-parter, it's it's really is a one.
• 1:14:52
  One thing I would agree, although I do say, I do think
• 1:14:56
  that the pacing really picks up in part 2, story with that.
• 1:14:59
  No, I think it's the opposite for me died in part two.
• 1:15:03
  No, I think, I think in part when things get going, when we
• 1:15:06
  do have that bit where they actually, we don't ship is made
• 1:15:09
  out, and there's so many moving Parts, you know, and they keep
• 1:15:12
  coming up the stakes. And, you know, I mean the thing
• 1:15:15
  is, if you do cut down to to the one pot, what you're going to
• 1:15:18
  lose is obviously all the Clone box which is fine but you're
• 1:15:20
  gonna lose an equivalents as well.
• 1:15:23
  Oh, It's where he goes, it's you.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, exactly. And King goes you.
• 1:15:31
  It's it is always, you know, that whenever anyone complains
• 1:15:36
  about the peace and things, all, this is too long.
• 1:15:39
  You know, I always like what you're gonna lose, what you're
• 1:15:41
  going to cut out. I don't want to lose anything
• 1:15:42
  within equipments in, and so, we'll just keep it as a As a you
• 1:15:47
  know poorly Pace store we saw you know I did say I was I was
• 1:15:52
  open to be swayed on this. So does anyone want to have one
• 1:15:54
  last school? Me on why?
• 1:15:56
  So we've literally got on for an hour telling you why this is
• 1:16:00
  great. So here you've got this, dude,
• 1:16:03
  you have fun while watching it. Passed the time.
• 1:16:07
  Well, I'll give you. I'll give you now know.
• 1:16:10
  Yeah. It's it's their cling on stuff,
• 1:16:24
  isn't it? You wouldn't.
• 1:16:25
  You wouldn't have. Would you have all the Klingons
• 1:16:27
  in the ship? Good cleaning on if you are
• 1:16:30
  boring at all you are not a child.
• 1:16:33
  That's gonna go into the playground the next day guys.
• 1:16:50
  sometimes and I bet they did, you know, what can you win is
• 1:16:55
  over with that point, but he's just He's just okay, hold on.
• 1:16:59
  What about thanks? I mean it's going for anyway so
• 1:17:02
  I don't matter just that scene where he's he's he's well he's
• 1:17:06
  making fun of of Luke Raskin relentlessly and then when of
• 1:17:10
  course, when Luke kind of freaks out about the grammar
• 1:17:12
  correcting, he then sort of brings it right down and goes
• 1:17:16
  that. No one's ever said, no, it's
• 1:17:17
  been a long time since anyone said no to you.
• 1:17:19
  And he kind of empathizes with him on that level of being, the
• 1:17:23
  kind of isolated genius and the rest of the world is so slow.
• 1:17:27
  And and it's sort of, it's a sort of vulnerable moment from
• 1:17:32
  10 and then he immediately switches the sympathy off again.
• 1:17:35
  It's it's very kind of Very deaf.
• 1:17:38
  I think There's all so yeah, you've got three fingers.
• 1:17:45
  Don't know that in this half-season, where she's always
• 1:17:56
  saying to him, go up the hill, go and do this, go and do that.
• 1:17:59
  And then when the shit hits the fan and this episode and they're
• 1:18:02
  choking to death in their house, she is terrified and he Comforts
• 1:18:07
  her, he takes control, he says come here, darling, and puts her
• 1:18:11
  in his arms and he is the man of the house, and it's absolutely
• 1:18:14
  gorgeous. Dad Catalan.
• 1:18:16
  Yeah. Kettle on.
• 1:18:19
  And the Oxford. That's, that's really good.
• 1:18:21
  It's because it is like tenant with these screwdriver trying to
• 1:18:25
  unlock things. Try to things off.
• 1:18:28
  So ineffectual, isn't it? It's a screwdriver you need a
• 1:18:31
  big Ox. Just put the window in.
• 1:18:32
  Absolutely but I am. I think the best thing is
• 1:18:34
  probably the relationship between Donna and Martha because
• 1:18:40
  that is, that is perfect. It's done the jealousy bit.
• 1:18:43
  We've done the whole, you know, we've got to to girls just
• 1:18:46
  getting on with each other and like, oh, that caught that
• 1:18:49
  really suits here. Prawn.
• 1:18:54
  He'd like me dad. Oh, you definitely get over if
• 1:18:57
  you call me. Yeah.
• 1:18:58
  Oh. So going back to life and
• 1:19:02
  bottomley. You don't want to be one of
• 1:19:04
  those, you know, boring people that doesn't like fun.
• 1:19:06
  Do you? She's cool every time.
• 1:19:08
  Every time I put ticking me back on please caring because it's
• 1:19:12
  still going through. What you gotta do, you Ariel?
• 1:19:18
  I'm trying to do you want to go to bed tonight, so we retreat.
• 1:19:23
  I'm trying never used to when you keep you keep.
• 1:19:27
  Screaming. The pop.
• 1:19:27
  I made a great point about silver and wolf and you know it.
• 1:19:30
  Alright, let's keep it in. Let's put it through.
• 1:19:33
  Yes, on the Beach. Come on, boys.
• 1:19:35
  On the basis of what that what Daniel?
• 1:19:37
  And Kieran have said no false prophecy.
• 1:19:40
  That's a true prophecy. Oh what did I say when it's a
• 1:19:43
  great prophecy words with wisdom was?
• 1:19:49
  Not one story. Let's write along then.
• 1:19:57
  So who's gonna go next? It's gonna be here in Oh, I
• 1:20:01
  would like to choose partners in crime on its in crying.
• 1:20:06
  Um, That's nothing wrong with this story.
• 1:20:10
  Is that it's it from the go. It's just, it doesn't even
• 1:20:14
  bother with an introduction. You're straight into the
• 1:20:16
  credits. Let's go, we're talking about,
• 1:20:18
  we're not wasting any time with Doctor Who this season?
• 1:20:21
  Let's go. The score instantly starts at by
• 1:20:23
  Marriott. I love it so much.
• 1:20:28
  It brings so much like Pace to it, and so much.
• 1:20:31
  So much life, you know, there's the quick Montage to begin with
• 1:20:35
  mirroring of the 10th Doctrine, Donna break into adipose in
• 1:20:39
  their own different ways. You know, Donna's taking the
• 1:20:41
  Aubrey Classic route with a little fake health and safety
• 1:20:44
  and the doctor just I forget where he gets in the first time
• 1:20:46
  and he just Sonic the Fire Sonic and just blows up.
• 1:20:49
  Yeah, great go in here in German but the first beat that the
• 1:20:54
  second, you hear that the start of the episode just before that
• 1:20:57
  I'm like, oh yes, here we go. And a great introduction to like
• 1:21:04
  Miss Foster as well. One of the She's just so, like
• 1:21:10
  from improper a bit. I guess a little bit of like an
• 1:21:14
  Umbridge sort of character, sort of.
• 1:21:16
  Yeah, I guess I'm more. So like yeah. it's just Yeah,
• 1:21:28
  it's just, I can't also the chemistry's.
• 1:21:33
  Instant, I'm just gonna skip all about this episode.
• 1:21:35
  You know, the scene where tenant, Donna meet each other,
• 1:21:37
  and they have just circulate through this morning, each other
• 1:21:41
  through this window and Donna's just going.
• 1:21:45
  Yeah. It's no listening to hear all
• 1:21:48
  that. Now, be where I was reading on
• 1:21:51
  the internet. Yeah, it's you.
• 1:21:57
  Or the? Um, and it of course, I climax
• 1:21:59
  of them Miss. What's going on?
• 1:22:01
  My interrupting something. Oh, because I'm not listening to
• 1:22:07
  this time. You can hear when their
• 1:22:09
  conversations stops and they start just looking at 10 and
• 1:22:13
  donor Through the Windows. It's brilliant.
• 1:22:16
  The stuff with the printer and how they're just narrowly
• 1:22:19
  missing each other before they meet just little things of face
• 1:22:22
  the Romans Karen. They're doing the Romans.
• 1:22:24
  Yeah? Where they keep missing each
• 1:22:26
  other? Yes, But we're bringing it up
• 1:22:30
  today, and yeah, I guess, 10 Donna, or they're already
• 1:22:34
  partnered for me because they're doing the same thing, just
• 1:22:36
  through different Avenues. And you got Donna, visit in
• 1:22:39
  Stacy, Campbell, and the doctor visiting, the average Doctor Who
• 1:22:42
  fan and Stacy. Can you Actually plays Stacy's,
• 1:22:49
  brilliant, her death scene. Instantly etched itself into my
• 1:22:53
  mind, just turning into this. a little little guys, little
• 1:22:58
  friendly, little guys, and she's screaming like out there and
• 1:23:02
  just Slot on the floor. You seen her in baby reindeer.
• 1:23:06
  Yes just oh it's not the same mattress.
• 1:23:08
  It's Like the doctors line when he's going to meet that, like
• 1:23:16
  nah, I've met cat people, you're nothing like them, you know?
• 1:23:18
  It's just so many great one lines like that.
• 1:23:21
  You've got an Atmos sticker. I saw in there, so it's calling
• 1:23:24
  to what's going to come later on and season.
• 1:23:26
  You've got Bernard cribbins come back up.
• 1:23:28
  I don't have to say anything there.
• 1:23:32
  We're going into premature labor, not alive.
• 1:23:37
  You think you'd hear a doctor but I'm so happy.
• 1:23:41
  I heard it. Penny.
• 1:23:43
  I didn't know is that Penny all that other journalists is called
• 1:23:46
  penny. So there's another thing to I
• 1:23:49
  think that comes up from the right is Tails that right down.
• 1:23:51
  He was originally supposed to be the new companion until they are
• 1:23:55
  asked. Catherine Tate back and she said
• 1:23:57
  yes. Yeah.
• 1:23:58
  And he became the journey. Yeah, and And what's odd about,
• 1:24:02
  that is when he ditches our idea, he basically ditches Penny
• 1:24:07
  as a character. She just makes it incompetent
• 1:24:09
  and just a bit useless. Yeah, I don't know what.
• 1:24:12
  No, my only problem with the episode actually is.
• 1:24:14
  Why don't they just kill Penny because they're so eager to kill
• 1:24:16
  the doctrine. Donna.
• 1:24:17
  They just leave her outside her. No, don't even retire up is that
• 1:24:20
  I don't think she's very bad. Is she miss Foster?
• 1:24:24
  She's just doing her job. She's just doing her job.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah. What's her full name?
• 1:24:27
  Does anyone have that nature and cafelier of the class of bindi
• 1:24:32
  Fleet, Intergalactic classes. Oh very much.
• 1:24:35
  No seriously. It's all got the perfect
• 1:24:38
  Russell. Russell is going all the way
• 1:24:40
  through character options, the merchandise, with the Sonic
• 1:24:42
  pain, you know, I mean merch, the other post were most of us
• 1:24:56
  against the other. I mean either let's find out
• 1:24:58
  just everything is um, Everything.
• 1:25:03
  Every single dial is on 10 from. Credit from credit to credit.
• 1:25:08
  And it just does not stop and it's the promise of Adventure to
• 1:25:13
  come. I think.
• 1:25:13
  So I am putting this through and if one of you is not putting it
• 1:25:18
  through, I'm coming to your house and I'm rearranging all of
• 1:25:21
  your DVDs. Oh Oh, that promise.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah, and changing the discs into different cases.
• 1:25:28
  You'll never find whenever you look at it, it's a bit at the
• 1:25:32
  minute. I mean, you just be changing
• 1:25:34
  them back. More DVDs are all like anyway.
• 1:25:36
  All right, am I the only one Daniel?
• 1:25:38
  If you've got an order DVD show, I do.
• 1:25:41
  It's not here that the next room.
• 1:25:43
  All right, it's not. Yeah.
• 1:25:44
  And I'm not telling you where it is.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah, exactly. I'll put the kettle.
• 1:25:50
  Hmm. So yeah, it's going through
• 1:25:52
  that's going through, so partners, and crime is in for
• 1:25:55
  Kieran, and let's skip to the comments and see what people got
• 1:25:58
  saved for. This one, and I shall kick off
• 1:26:00
  for this one with Nathan bottomley.
• 1:26:03
  Again, Nathan says partners in crime.
• 1:26:05
  It just seems effortless, despite how much stuff it has to
• 1:26:08
  do genuinely warm and funny. Don't speak about how quickly
• 1:26:11
  she fell back into her old life after the runway is perfect in
• 1:26:15
  the scenes with herb and Wilfork.
• 1:26:16
  Beautiful. The gloriously named mad
• 1:26:20
  Paddington. So this partners in crime, a
• 1:26:23
  consistent Joy. I always can't like it when it's
• 1:26:25
  not a proper villain, just a spot of Intergalactic Mischief.
• 1:26:28
  A product of the heavy diet culture, we were under at the
• 1:26:32
  time, but not too heavy-handed a definite keeper.
• 1:26:36
  Tom Newsom partners in crime should not work on paper.
• 1:26:40
  Dr. Whose story investigating diet pills and fat creatures?
• 1:26:45
  But it is really fun. Thanks to typically Snappy
• 1:26:48
  script and direction in two of the finest leads in David and
• 1:26:52
  Catherine. Oh, dear.
• 1:26:54
  Clearly we've got the superior here and on the coal here
• 1:26:56
  because Kieran Evans says, it's something here Evans.
• 1:27:00
  It's all right. That's all he says.
• 1:27:02
  Yeah, I really don't have much more for it than this than that.
• 1:27:05
  The humor sometimes works for me and sometimes doesn't go turn
• 1:27:09
  you into other pose. Kevin's, watch yourself.
• 1:27:13
  Oh, I get Melvin, Pena, fantastic, and partners in
• 1:27:17
  crime. Might be my favorite season
• 1:27:18
  opener, not only of RTD one, but of 2005 to 2022 new.
• 1:27:25
  Notice how he's made that distinction.
• 1:27:27
  I'm guessing space babies as a big horse.
• 1:27:30
  Yes of course. Donna hit the ground running as
• 1:27:32
  a boldness of companion and a Care.
• 1:27:35
  Warren daughter. The mine.
• 1:27:36
  Sure Through the Windows makes me laugh.
• 1:27:38
  Every time I see it. It's perfect comedy.
• 1:27:41
  The other pauses Target a cuteness, made them unexpectedly
• 1:27:43
  iconic. I've always found it weird, how
• 1:27:46
  people focus solely on, fuck shaming because it means they
• 1:27:49
  never talk about other pose Industries.
• 1:27:52
  If RTD your shame in anyone here it's the predatory weight loss
• 1:27:55
  industry. They almost get Sylvia.
• 1:27:58
  Boom Melvin. Pena spot on.
• 1:28:02
  Side heart. Oh, no.
• 1:28:05
  It doesn't really like, sorry know someone called side heart.
• 1:28:09
  Says, partners. In crime is the lightest Breeze.
• 1:28:12
  Opener and I love it. Daniel Nate.
• 1:28:16
  Partners and crane is a tidy reintroduction for Donna.
• 1:28:18
  But the fat shaming plotline is troubling Sarah Lancashire
• 1:28:21
  pictures. Miss Foster perfectly with a mix
• 1:28:23
  of camp and Menace. Daniel go and read Melvin's
• 1:28:26
  comment again. Jason Thompson says partners in
• 1:28:29
  crime is a reasonable opener. Although a huge chunk has to be
• 1:28:33
  given over to Donna's change explaining Donna's change of
• 1:28:35
  heart about traveling with the doctor after her one-off
• 1:28:38
  appearance and refusal. Yeah, that's all.
• 1:28:41
  It's great about it. Know, a couple of this couple of
• 1:28:43
  conversations, isn't it? Your last change, your mind, Tim
• 1:28:47
  Carter, brilliant, stock of the season, the comedy of doctor and
• 1:28:50
  the Don are missing. Each other is perfect, keeping
• 1:28:53
  them apart for just long enough. Donna, Miami through the window,
• 1:28:56
  is my new moment in the whole of Doctor.
• 1:28:58
  Who Say oh Chris says a fun seasonal with just the right
• 1:29:04
  amount of silliness. The silence for the window gets
• 1:29:06
  its spot on and Sarah Lancashire is a great guest star.
• 1:29:09
  The appearance of Rose was a well kept surprise.
• 1:29:14
  John Arnold RTD does the substance as a comedy 16 years
• 1:29:18
  early. It's comic energy puts rocket
• 1:29:21
  fuel into an already successful format.
• 1:29:23
  Oh, Cliff Chapman. The outlier here, less said
• 1:29:26
  about partners in crime, the better incredibly annoying.
• 1:29:29
  Oh he's listening to the wrong podcast and false prophecy.
• 1:29:36
  To unbelievers. Let's see what Paul Quinn has to
• 1:29:41
  say partners and crane AKA death to fatty.
• 1:29:45
  It's got a spectacular tasks sentral premise, they get away
• 1:29:50
  with it by. Played it for comedy, then you
• 1:29:52
  get the kick out in turn left when millions of dead him out
• 1:29:55
  and fuck's husband, Know, it would just mean Trump didn't get
• 1:30:00
  elected. Oh no, I've got James Locke.
• 1:30:05
  Here we go back. Okay, partners in crime, has a
• 1:30:08
  dumb concept smacking you around the face with its own.
• 1:30:11
  So topical point in the way that Bannerman Road Posse wouldn't
• 1:30:14
  touch with a large bowl, it just about gets away with it.
• 1:30:17
  Thanks to the chemistry of the leads.
• 1:30:19
  Catherine, Tate in particular, exhibiting a Charisma.
• 1:30:22
  I'm not convinced we saw in her first story, but even by the
• 1:30:25
  standards of RTD patent, lightweight opening episode
• 1:30:28
  formula, this is weak stuff. James had been Bennett played
• 1:30:34
  for laughs and it's a hoot. It's a purpose to see the after
• 1:30:37
  effects of a story on a guest character and Donna is so much
• 1:30:40
  better here than in Bride. Keep Dave ready?
• 1:30:44
  Says, 10 and Tate have real chemistry.
• 1:30:46
  And Donna is thankfully more palatable than her first initial
• 1:30:50
  outing. The adipose are cute Rose,
• 1:30:53
  shouldn't have come back though. We would have been annoyed those
• 1:30:56
  fabulous teeth. What all those things
• 1:30:59
  internally. Yeah, Boy.
• 1:31:01
  Yes, everybody's been smoking when he wrote that, but he
• 1:31:05
  typical RTD season opener Fair. However, Catherine Tate makes a
• 1:31:11
  memorable performance as Donna, the chemistry between her and
• 1:31:13
  tell it is Sensational. I don't know what is chemistry
• 1:31:16
  for these one. This isn't it.
• 1:31:17
  Big orange Michael. It's a fun romp and has
• 1:31:24
  interesting, undertones I was skeptical about adding tape
• 1:31:27
  back, but this story sued my nurse bit.
• 1:31:29
  Just let me see. We've just got a Gareth.
• 1:31:33
  Not dancing, mostly. And yeah, I'm up and the bitten
• 1:31:37
  Partners in crane, where the doctor realizes your loan in the
• 1:31:39
  Tardis in his just silent Know. Music is a standard.
• 1:31:43
  The episode's, great too take showcase for how comedy and
• 1:31:46
  Foster quite a skill. Tier to get some more positive
• 1:31:48
  stop than when we prayed. She is glorious.
• 1:31:52
  It was all over, didn't it? This episode like any any
• 1:31:55
  critics of tight? It was all over Michael storm.
• 1:31:59
  Oh dear, oh no it's a solid season opener and it's a good
• 1:32:04
  reintroduction. For Donna showing how she has
• 1:32:06
  grown and how her family situation has changed.
• 1:32:08
  It's nice that the villain isn't exactly evil but some of the
• 1:32:11
  humor feels too forced and the writing seems a bit smug I
• 1:32:16
  guess. what the things up for this but then it's Oscar
• 1:32:20
  Groucho, a soft reboot for a series confident enough to
• 1:32:23
  Lampoon its own troops and eccentricities and not to the
• 1:32:26
  detriment of the score we so oh I would say vast majority of
• 1:32:32
  those were only positive, so let's see if it's keep that
• 1:32:35
  street going. As we go to jail for it.
• 1:32:37
  Oh hello. Oh, this is really Anyway, full
• 1:32:41
  of heart jokes and funny. Aliens, this is pure Sunshine.
• 1:32:46
  A story that he's super Premier League confident with its
• 1:32:50
  silliness and that's so underrated.
• 1:32:52
  So I got a piss off some people because they just don't like
• 1:32:55
  Doctor Who be in silly. He had a really silly Are there
• 1:32:59
  such fun. I think the last five minutes
• 1:33:02
  apart in crime is about a gorgeous as Doctor Who gets and
• 1:33:07
  the lion, I'm waving up fat. It's one of the best lines we've
• 1:33:11
  ever had watching mad Martha, charity as well.
• 1:33:17
  But anyway, three reasons. I love this.
• 1:33:21
  I just adore. This is my favorite season of by
• 1:33:23
  a mile as well. Catherine Tate has done our,
• 1:33:27
  she's a force of nature with her heart.
• 1:33:28
  She's got pangs of regret about leaving with not leaving with
• 1:33:31
  the doctor. She's the one that's
• 1:33:33
  investigating strange things going on.
• 1:33:35
  She's Hugely capable in this episode.
• 1:33:37
  She really cares about the people that are affected and she
• 1:33:41
  has Perfect Chemistry with her doctor.
• 1:33:43
  Yeah, I just think Catherine Tate basically may have heard
• 1:33:49
  the reviews from The Runaway Bride and Davis and Tate between
• 1:33:52
  him and I like that's all the fuckers wrong.
• 1:33:55
  And yeah, I did that. I went back and read some of
• 1:33:59
  those reviews. Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  And you know, Savage there's an undercurrent of misogyny there.
• 1:34:04
  They use ejected like loud, and hysterical was pejorative and
• 1:34:09
  Catherine, takeoff and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:34:12
  Yeah, I mean this there's many many moments on The Runaway
• 1:34:15
  Bride where she's absolutely again.
• 1:34:18
  Got your scary to death. You know it's just beautifully
• 1:34:21
  acted but she comes into this a fully rounded person waiting to
• 1:34:26
  go on these adventures and the scenes between her and cribbins.
• 1:34:29
  Are I always say RTD is full of heart.
• 1:34:32
  I don't think that's ever more exemplified than the scenes
• 1:34:35
  between her. Are at the allotment and the
• 1:34:38
  better. The end of this episode where
• 1:34:39
  she gets, always a man. It's wonderful.
• 1:34:43
  Where is he? Is up the hill.
• 1:34:45
  Of course I'll Sylvia's great as well anyway.
• 1:34:48
  So Catherine. Tate is my first reason.
• 1:34:50
  I think she she just kicks in. I think.
• 1:34:54
  That parts of this season, the companion actress is better than
• 1:34:58
  the doctor actor. That's how good she is.
• 1:35:01
  Sarah, Lancashire absolutely knows how to play a doctor, who
• 1:35:06
  villain. She's like, she's been watching
• 1:35:08
  the classic series all of her life.
• 1:35:09
  You pitch it as plausible, but just a bit of, right?
• 1:35:13
  Every lion reading is just a bit of naturalistic.
• 1:35:17
  What's all country? Did you think this is Go on one.
• 1:35:20
  It's a beautifully Bad Country. If anyone's good at trimming the
• 1:35:25
  fat, it's me, it's great. I mean, one of our last lines.
• 1:35:30
  What have our last lines is, and if I never see you again, it'll
• 1:35:34
  be too soon. It's joined.
• 1:35:39
  You is one of the most perfectly timed lines in Doctor, Who ever
• 1:35:44
  if cynicism could burn calories Penny, then we'd all be as thin
• 1:35:49
  as rakes, she's just glorious and whoever said it in the
• 1:35:54
  comments about it's not like a super villain.
• 1:35:56
  She's just doing her job and it's being a bit naughty.
• 1:35:59
  I really love that about, yes, she's glorious as well.
• 1:36:03
  And then my third reason is Jacqueline, King and Bono
• 1:36:06
  Christmas. Of course the perfect family
• 1:36:08
  unit in Doctor Who warmth tragedy, because they've lost
• 1:36:12
  obviously the father, they attacking each other, but they
• 1:36:15
  support each other. It feels so real.
• 1:36:18
  This family, it just every part of this feels real.
• 1:36:21
  The relationship between silver and Donna and the what RTD said
• 1:36:25
  in the rightist tell about if they realize that together, they
• 1:36:28
  could be the most Unstoppable combination.
• 1:36:31
  They would be the most formidable Force you ever saw.
• 1:36:34
  But they never can quite get there and they're always
• 1:36:38
  attacking. Each other.
• 1:36:39
  It's like a lot of mothers and daughters.
• 1:36:40
  It feels very, very real. My heart just swells for for how
• 1:36:45
  nurturing her relationship with welfare as well.
• 1:36:48
  Because I think RTD can be quite cynical sometimes with his
• 1:36:51
  family relationships and things. But this is just all about love,
• 1:36:55
  which means the payoff at the end of this episode where she
• 1:36:59
  lets him say, I mean, the joke of him with the headphones on
• 1:37:03
  and that enormous Camp fucking spaceship blowing behind you and
• 1:37:08
  he's like, oh God here. So then the payoff again where
• 1:37:11
  he sees the Tardis and their waving, it's just, it might be
• 1:37:15
  the most perfect and I just smile from head to toe, he just
• 1:37:20
  gets me. Yeah, it's just this just
• 1:37:22
  glorious. I can't think of an episode of
• 1:37:24
  Doctor that's more like pure sunshine and has more heart than
• 1:37:28
  partners in crime. Please.
• 1:37:30
  Can we put it through and it's fucking funny as well words.
• 1:37:33
  So how he Right. So it's to keep from Joe and I
• 1:37:39
  will next on this one and it's a RTD season open.
• 1:37:45
  I was in it so it's got a job to do.
• 1:37:46
  The all have a job to do and that job is generally either
• 1:37:49
  introducing new doctor or new companion.
• 1:37:52
  And this instance it's got to do a reintroduction of someone that
• 1:37:56
  we already know. But at the same time, it isn't
• 1:37:58
  introduction with new companion because this isn't the donor
• 1:38:00
  that we left in. When we write.
• 1:38:03
  That was Jason Thompson that said in the comments you know
• 1:38:05
  there's a lot of time in this Bend kind of explaining why Don
• 1:38:09
  has had a change of heart. It's not so much that it is just
• 1:38:11
  reintroducing. Pretty much a new character.
• 1:38:14
  There's the Donna that we had in when we bribed was a dick
• 1:38:19
  basically. And the one that we want to
• 1:38:22
  spend our time with in season 4, as a companion, isn't because we
• 1:38:26
  don't want to take in that all got one already.
• 1:38:28
  We don't want another one. So Russell is very much sort of
• 1:38:32
  reintroducing us to a new version.
• 1:38:34
  Of Donna, which is absolutely fine.
• 1:38:36
  And What was the moment for you? When you realized oh, this this
• 1:38:41
  Dawn is different. M.
• 1:38:45
  I'm not entirely sure. It's amazing.
• 1:38:48
  It's the hillside seen. Yeah but um but yeah.
• 1:38:51
  All the bit where she's in the kitchen and Sylvia, they're
• 1:38:54
  doing that real time thing with Sylvia and and you're really
• 1:38:57
  seeing over a sort of a beaten down person by.
• 1:39:00
  Yeah, there's no you sitting there.
• 1:39:02
  No One's Gonna Come along with the magic wand to make your life
• 1:39:04
  all better. It's not like the 80s, you can't
• 1:39:07
  have a job, cut those coupons up, make yourself useful.
• 1:39:12
  Yeah. And you know, I remember
• 1:39:14
  everything that was said about Catherine.
• 1:39:16
  I remember, you know, what was said for the one we were right?
• 1:39:19
  When she was going to be in and then yes is a oh what why why
• 1:39:25
  are you doing? This is just RTD, stop casting
• 1:39:28
  isn't it? It's just getting someone in
• 1:39:30
  and, you know, did this episode win me over to Catherine and on
• 1:39:35
  a noble being on the tallest? Well, not particularly, because
• 1:39:38
  ultimately Carpentier is doing what.
• 1:39:40
  Catherine he expected to do. She's been funny in a comedy
• 1:39:43
  episode. 40 season openers are always the same.
• 1:39:47
  They are always set on Earth. They always late hotted and you
• 1:39:52
  know there's a little Innovation, you know, it's It's
• 1:39:55
  a run around, basically just to get an original.
• 1:39:57
  Yeah, currently so there's nothing.
• 1:39:59
  Oh Smith and Jones set on the moon, you know?
• 1:40:01
  It's the sound. It's a superb of Earth jewelry.
• 1:40:06
  That's the next moon, it's fine. and, Obviously I'm going to put
• 1:40:17
  this through because it is. Yes, it it's got a job.
• 1:40:21
  It does it's like space babies. You know, it does its job
• 1:40:23
  perfectly well and spice papers. You mad man.
• 1:40:27
  Well, it's not as good a Smith Insurance but you know, we're
• 1:40:29
  not here. It's miles better than Smith and
• 1:40:32
  Jones, It's Not yeah maybe gold. Hey oh, which happened this
• 1:40:39
  trumpet in your area. Oh, you're supposed to be
• 1:40:41
  laughing now, Marie Is this a Roman?
• 1:40:47
  Please tell us, please let us hanging in the air and goes.
• 1:40:54
  I like, I like the comedy itself.
• 1:41:00
  I mean, everyone's mentioned it's, yeah, it's the mime scene,
• 1:41:04
  isn't it? The sort of the silent Cinema
• 1:41:07
  ssk, you know, across the and the way sort of thing which is
• 1:41:12
  just a brilliant scene in its in itself, but then it's just so
• 1:41:15
  beautiful undercut by so I'm not sure just Looking at the two of
• 1:41:19
  them, you know, that is it really does kind of do that
• 1:41:25
  thing where the comedy comes from?
• 1:41:27
  Subverting the Trope and you know turning your expectations
• 1:41:32
  on the head. So actually it is a wonderful
• 1:41:34
  performance. It's a she's one of the long
• 1:41:37
  line of, you know, these these female, you know, power figures,
• 1:41:42
  you know thinking of them cdm's character in Bells it's Jon and
• 1:41:46
  Chiropractic sauce in Time Heist, you know, these These
• 1:41:49
  they are way worse Matrix, this Matrix?
• 1:41:53
  Yeah. Remember those people?
• 1:41:55
  Yeah, it's not in the same. Line in the same mold you know,
• 1:42:01
  of see. She's really good.
• 1:42:03
  She's a little bit possibly better than those ones but you
• 1:42:05
  know it's like Central should know how to pitch.
• 1:42:07
  I was exactly how how to turn it up.
• 1:42:10
  How to turn it up and and not go further than that.
• 1:42:13
  I don't think so. Goddess.
• 1:42:17
  I think the doctor has Yeah, it gives us, it gives us spirit.
• 1:42:25
  And basically, you know, and you know the fact that You have to
• 1:42:30
  who, I should know the name of, but yes, and sadly passed away.
• 1:42:35
  He would have been in this film to see scenes.
• 1:42:37
  And then, you know what? A potentially been all the way
• 1:42:39
  through series four. You know.
• 1:42:41
  Yeah. They recorded with him.
• 1:42:45
  Yeah. They're on the deleted scenes.
• 1:42:46
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  It's the you know he possibly and Rusty had the wonderful idea
• 1:42:55
  of Caston Burnett cribbon. So this is this is Bernard
• 1:42:59
  cribbins kind of fitting in and this is the point where, you
• 1:43:02
  know, you can see Russell thinking, well I've kind of
• 1:43:06
  avoided that role in In the two part which is going to be in
• 1:43:10
  and, you know, oh shit. What have I got here?
• 1:43:14
  You know, I've got something a little bit special now and he
• 1:43:19
  really leans into that in a second half of the series which
• 1:43:21
  we'll talk about next time. But yeah, gives us burn
• 1:43:23
  equipments where she's gone Frasier.
• 1:43:25
  Where is that girl? I think the ultimate kick out of
• 1:43:30
  got to be that scene with rose at the end that no one was
• 1:43:35
  coming when when she turns around and it's Billy paper and
• 1:43:38
  it's real estate. And you know what about that?
• 1:43:43
  Yeah, only problem is that. I remember watching that, who's
• 1:43:48
  that? Zero like that.
• 1:43:55
  For being so young. All right, you wouldn't even hit
• 1:43:58
  school and clearance. Know I started school this year.
• 1:44:01
  That year in retrospect. Is it a good scene Kieran?
• 1:44:06
  Not how I'll just remember dropping my coffee.
• 1:44:10
  Well, over me. Oh my God.
• 1:44:13
  Yeah. And, you know, it kind of it
• 1:44:15
  doesn't so much. It doesn't really set up an arc
• 1:44:17
  but it gives us something to kind of hang my hat on a little
• 1:44:21
  bit for the series to come. Which again, is what you expect
• 1:44:24
  from the opener. You know you want that little,
• 1:44:26
  you know, at this point we'll all looking for all, looking for
• 1:44:29
  the Torchwood. We're looking for the bad wolf,
• 1:44:31
  we were looking for the Saxon and, you know, we're all sitting
• 1:44:35
  there looking at real estate. There we go right in your face.
• 1:44:38
  So, um, it's it's If perfectly good, example of what it needs
• 1:44:44
  to be fast, paced lighthearted and entertaining and season,
• 1:44:48
  opener sets things in motion, put through.
• 1:44:51
  Celebrate it. Fantastic.
• 1:44:56
  Okay, um, so here's the thing about partners in crime, it's a
• 1:45:02
  cartoon, it really is. So I mentioned the writer's
• 1:45:08
  Tower at the beginning. So in preparation for this
• 1:45:10
  story, I was I listened to some of the audio commentaries.
• 1:45:13
  I watched some of the confidential episodes where you
• 1:45:16
  get all the kind of crew, so Russell, T Davies, Julie
• 1:45:19
  Gardner, Phil Collins, and David Tennant, Catherine Tate, and
• 1:45:23
  they're all very jolly company kind of gushing over the
• 1:45:25
  production and explaining all the creative choices and it's
• 1:45:29
  laughs Galore and he spent the whole time just in fits of
• 1:45:33
  laughter. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:34
  Every time they get Phil Collins on, you can't really listen to
• 1:45:38
  it because it's just laughing. He's the one about the bite in
• 1:45:40
  the hot chocolate. She found a white chocolate and
• 1:45:45
  she nearly vomited and behind the scenes.
• 1:45:47
  You can probably play a drinking game of every time.
• 1:45:50
  Russell goes, hooray. Oh, so It gives off this
• 1:45:56
  impression of a very kind of, you know, nice people who love
• 1:46:01
  what they do, who get along like a house on fire and have this
• 1:46:04
  sort of wonderful, fun time doing it.
• 1:46:06
  And then you read The Writer's tale and that is a very kind of
• 1:46:10
  different. Look at another side of Russell
• 1:46:14
  T, Davies where he still got the humor, he still got the
• 1:46:16
  mischievousness, you know, but this is very candid contrast of
• 1:46:21
  what a lonely, kind of stressful melancholic experience.
• 1:46:26
  It can be to make a TV show where it's all panic panic,
• 1:46:29
  panic. And, and he's got all these
• 1:46:31
  scripts to write and rewrite and it's, and it's just like me,
• 1:46:34
  he's a, he's in complete procrastinator so he's nothing
• 1:46:38
  gets done until the absolute last minute.
• 1:46:40
  And he's a workaholic and he's changed smoking and he's singing
• 1:46:43
  his computer until 4:00 in the morning.
• 1:46:45
  So you leave you with these two very different views of what
• 1:46:49
  it's like to make Doctor Who, so not just partners in crime, but
• 1:46:52
  the whole series 4. So, you know, the RTD very
• 1:46:56
  cheerful gregarious Persona way, everything's marvelous.
• 1:46:59
  And then, yeah, the very private Persona which is constantly
• 1:47:04
  stressed out. Constantly doubting himself
• 1:47:07
  constantly working I mean, it's addictive that book, um, but it
• 1:47:11
  is in Karen, were you gonna say something?
• 1:47:13
  Then, you know, how much of the writers tell their is him
• 1:47:17
  talking about series 4, and how much of them is flirting with
• 1:47:19
  Benchmark over email. Oh, right?
• 1:47:22
  Pictures of midshipmen. Framing is Underpants of things.
• 1:47:25
  Oh, right. I'm glad you brought out the
• 1:47:28
  picture, so, that was my point, is that it also shows us his
• 1:47:30
  skill as a Cartoonist. So you've got all these
• 1:47:34
  sketches, yes. Illustrating the shipment frame
• 1:47:37
  and darling and the doctor and adipose, and scenes from the
• 1:47:41
  script. So kind of he's detailing his
• 1:47:44
  vision for the final product. And so it's a writer who very
• 1:47:49
  much thinks in images as like a visual kind of storyteller.
• 1:47:53
  And so that's what partners in crime is.
• 1:47:55
  It's a cartoon. So, right from the very opening
• 1:47:57
  sequence with the doctor and Donna, missing each other, with
• 1:48:00
  that Murray, gold comedy music, blaring in your area.
• 1:48:03
  That's kind of like the beginning of Austin Powers, you
• 1:48:06
  know. Did it did it did it?
• 1:48:08
  That bit where they're popping up and down behind the the
• 1:48:11
  office cubicles like meerkats like And then popping down
• 1:48:16
  again. Boom, that absolutely Sublime my
• 1:48:21
  sequence which we've already talked about This is ridiculous.
• 1:48:34
  Sit there. I'm finding my editor, I said,
• 1:48:37
  sit. Me up.
• 1:48:42
  What sort of country do you think this is?
• 1:48:44
  It's A Beautiful fat country. I believe me, I've traveled a
• 1:48:48
  long way to find a booster on this scale, so come on.
• 1:48:51
  Then miss Foster those pills. You might as well have a scoop
• 1:48:57
  since you never see a printed. This.
• 1:49:03
  Is the spark of life. And what's that attracts all the
• 1:49:09
  fat cells and plushies them away?
• 1:49:12
  Well, it's certainly attracts. The fact together and galvanizes
• 1:49:18
  it to form a body which means a body and surprised you never
• 1:49:23
  asked about my name, my chose it.
• 1:49:24
  Well, Foster. as in Foster, And these.
• 1:49:41
  What the hell is that adipose? It's called.
• 1:49:49
  An adipose. Made out of living.
• 1:49:54
  Fat. From ordinary.
• 1:51:08
  winter opting, you Even Donna kind of turns into a cartoon
• 1:51:12
  character in there, where she's pulling faces and kind of
• 1:51:14
  freezes mid expression. When they get caught, you move
• 1:51:19
  on to that window Crete. Window cradle cleaning sequence,
• 1:51:22
  where she's hanging onto the cable and then you have a car to
• 1:51:25
  cartoony sound of the Sonic pens, sort of tumbling through
• 1:51:28
  the air and Dr. Catches I gotta do before this and then miss
• 1:51:33
  Foster at the end suspended in mid-air and sort of suspend like
• 1:51:37
  Wiley Coyote before. She splatters to the pavement
• 1:51:40
  and his, it's a cartoon like, oh, same with the other pose.
• 1:51:49
  The other pose is like straight out of Pixar or Gremlins or
• 1:51:53
  something like that. So I mean, I love the little bye
• 1:51:55
  bye. Wave, they do every time.
• 1:51:56
  Oh, and that one, that does the little slide down the taxi
• 1:52:00
  Bonnet in the crowd at the end. The other day that CGI, but that
• 1:52:06
  is fabulous, when they're all sticking themselves, sort of car
• 1:52:09
  and stuff like that. Where Sarah Lancashire goes
• 1:52:12
  children, behold. I am taking you home and they
• 1:52:16
  go, yeah. Um so second thing, yeah, a lot
• 1:52:23
  of hearts in this script, the idea that they're fat shaming, I
• 1:52:28
  think is a bit weird because if you think about all the human
• 1:52:31
  characters like Stacey Campbell, like Roger Davey likes Suzette,
• 1:52:36
  Jacqueline Kings friend. They're these very likable
• 1:52:41
  people, and they've all got, you know, Little Lives, Roger lives
• 1:52:45
  on his own, Stacey Campbell's gonna dump her boyfriend because
• 1:52:48
  she's lost weight and he isn't. He slimed the bloke.
• 1:52:52
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:52:53
  He's, he's, they basically send. Yeah.
• 1:52:56
  Yeah. And suzette's meant to be one of
• 1:52:59
  those what Sylvia calls, the Wednesday girls, which is, which
• 1:53:03
  is actually based on an element of Russell's life, where his
• 1:53:06
  mother had this little Club of Wednesday girls who would go out
• 1:53:10
  to the pub and sort of Spend time together each Wednesday.
• 1:53:13
  So, so yeah. And and I think Stacy's death
• 1:53:18
  kind of lingers over the rest of the episode for a bit.
• 1:53:20
  So that's why that scene on the hillside is so lovely because
• 1:53:25
  cuz Donna's, clearly sort of still shaking up.
• 1:53:28
  And and she tries to tell wilf about about it and then she's
• 1:53:31
  just says, oh, doesn't matter Um and that's when I fell in love
• 1:53:36
  with with Catherine Tate. I mean that's because I realized
• 1:53:39
  it was a completely different. Nuanced.
• 1:53:41
  More refined take on the character we met in, in The
• 1:53:45
  Runaway Bride and then, you know, she it's not the doctor
• 1:53:48
  who gets the moment of moral outrage, it's Donna, because Ms,
• 1:53:53
  Foster explains that the adipose convert, Bone, and Skin, and
• 1:53:56
  organs, And Donna goes. What about poor?
• 1:54:00
  Stacey. So yeah.
• 1:54:03
  So yeah, lots lots of heart and finally that well, it's a
• 1:54:10
  personal thing. But, but, yeah, Billy's Billy,
• 1:54:13
  Pipers surprise appearance as rows, because it just gives me
• 1:54:16
  that sort of nostalgic kick right back to seeing that Cameo
• 1:54:20
  coming out on broadcast, where she turns around, And I was
• 1:54:23
  watching with my family, who kind of dip in and out of Doctor
• 1:54:26
  Who every now, and again, and she turns around and I just
• 1:54:29
  swore at the TV, I was like, whoa, what the fuck?
• 1:54:34
  And my mother goes Daniel, thank you.
• 1:54:38
  I remember I went, oh the bitches back.
• 1:54:42
  Yes, it would be so much about Daniel if your mom went, oh no.
• 1:54:51
  So I mean I mean just to put a bit of flash on the bones of
• 1:54:55
  that argument, but because by now the audience is kind of
• 1:54:59
  grown accustomed to the RTD story arc words, so bad wolf,
• 1:55:03
  Torchwood votes, Saxon. So they're kind of expecting
• 1:55:07
  that something like that. So this this year, he kind of
• 1:55:11
  does a scattergun of many different motifs.
• 1:55:14
  So the the Lost planets, the Medusa Cascade, the well base,
• 1:55:20
  the base, the bees disappearing, the bees.
• 1:55:25
  The there is something on your back.
• 1:55:27
  Oh yes. Yeah.
• 1:55:29
  So Rose comes back. And and and and so even though
• 1:55:35
  It's yeah, she's only been gone a year or a year and a half.
• 1:55:37
  It kind of there's no explanation.
• 1:55:39
  So you're spending the next few episodes.
• 1:55:42
  Waiting for her to turn up or waiting for their to be an
• 1:55:45
  explanation. So it kind of keeps you on your
• 1:55:48
  toes a bit. It kind of think, oh well what's
• 1:55:50
  what's this mystery? So she is returning Daniel's
• 1:55:55
  returning who she the cat's mother.
• 1:55:58
  And so finally, just just before I wrap up, um, Frasier did
• 1:56:04
  mention Smith and Jones and I do kind of go back and forth now
• 1:56:08
  between this one and Smith and Jones is my favorite just
• 1:56:12
  because I love the The kind of bombing of the Rhinos, on the
• 1:56:16
  moon with the hospital and the vampire granny.
• 1:56:19
  And and here I was a little rewatching it.
• 1:56:22
  Again, I was slightly deflated by the fact that it's all very
• 1:56:25
  Suburban. I mean, it's the Chiswick
• 1:56:28
  suburbs and then you have the, the adipose Industries Office,
• 1:56:32
  which I thought was meant to be in the city in the financial
• 1:56:34
  district, next to the Gerke or something, but the memory
• 1:56:38
  cheats. So it's actually it's in Cardiff
• 1:56:41
  and there is a lot of London as Cardiff where there's no
• 1:56:45
  landmarks to kind of hide it. So you think?
• 1:56:47
  Oh no, it really is not. But yeah, it's going through
• 1:56:53
  it's good just wait. One more point about that one, I
• 1:56:56
  know we need to move on but I think the most telling moment
• 1:56:59
  where this isn't fat shaming and it is about the exploitation of
• 1:57:04
  people from the diet industry is suzette's line where she goes
• 1:57:09
  and opening not normal because that is exactly.
• 1:57:12
  That is so pointed that comment because that's what we want.
• 1:57:15
  Is a pill that lets us get thin and eat like normal and that's
• 1:57:20
  what they're praying on. Anyway.
• 1:57:21
  Sorry. It's it's the call center as
• 1:57:24
  well. Was you know you're not selling
• 1:57:25
  enough he's not 100 days 100 a day.
• 1:57:28
  Yeah you know, that trimming the fat Man.
• 1:57:32
  Oh yeah. And that that coworker tries to
• 1:57:36
  hit on David Tennant. You always fabulous, isn't it?
• 1:57:42
  All right? Put it through its through.
• 1:57:45
  Its four for four is the part was in crime.
• 1:57:47
  So thank you for that. Daniel we are going to come
• 1:57:50
  straight back to you though for your choice.
• 1:57:52
  Oh, you have got three left to choose, only got the fires of
• 1:57:56
  Pompeii, the planet of the Ood, and the doctor's daughter.
• 1:57:59
  So, which one are you gonna pick?
• 1:58:01
  Okay, I will go with one that I'm not.
• 1:58:06
  Kind of, not kind of sure about. Um I'm kind of on the fence with
• 1:58:10
  this one planet of the Ood. So I don't actually have
• 1:58:17
  anything bad. Well, I don't, I'm not any don't
• 1:58:20
  have anything against it per se, um, because I'm just more
• 1:58:23
  excited by the other stories that were talking about.
• 1:58:25
  It seems one of those stories that's almost destined to be
• 1:58:31
  eternally underrated because every time I go back to it I go.
• 1:58:34
  Oh that's that's interesting. I never thought about that.
• 1:58:37
  And why just noticed that? But also every time I go back to
• 1:58:41
  it, I keep getting the feeling that it's never quite as good as
• 1:58:45
  it needs to be. Was it deserves to be?
• 1:58:49
  So, three things. I, I like the nastiness of it,
• 1:58:54
  it's a very cynical violent story with guns and snarling,
• 1:58:59
  Ood being chained up and a cold, brutal ice world.
• 1:59:03
  And that's very in keeping with what Rose says to the doctor in
• 1:59:08
  The Impossible Planet. Where Humanity's got this Empire
• 1:59:11
  and she says to him people back home, think that space travel is
• 1:59:15
  going to be all whizzing about and teleports and anti-gravity,
• 1:59:17
  but it's not. It's tough.
• 1:59:21
  And so, I mean, the message is of about slavery and capitalism.
• 1:59:26
  Oh, very subtle. Um, yes about subtle as a break
• 1:59:31
  where the overall. So, again, aren't we done your?
• 1:59:34
  Yeah, well, the overriding idea being the, you know, things
• 1:59:37
  haven't changed and humans are still these brutal slave masters
• 1:59:41
  in the future and will ruthlessly exploit them and and
• 1:59:46
  gas our servants. When they go feral, you know,
• 1:59:48
  help and mentions. You know it's the classic mouth
• 1:59:51
  and foot mouth solution from the olden days, still works.
• 1:59:54
  And the doctor snarls at Donna, you know, who do you think make
• 1:59:58
  it made you clothes? So I told the point worth making
• 2:00:03
  it is a point worth making though because they all popped a
• 2:00:06
  Primark to get our t-shirts. Well, quite because when she she
• 2:00:10
  snaps back at him, you know, is that why you travel around the
• 2:00:13
  universe, with a human at your side?
• 2:00:14
  So you can make cheap shots. But, but it does, it does
• 2:00:18
  reinforce the point because later, when the marketing
• 2:00:21
  director Solana reveals that, of course, the people on Earth know
• 2:00:25
  that the UDA being mistreated, they don't ask it's the same
• 2:00:29
  thing. So the you've got an episode,
• 2:00:32
  there's actually directly criticizing the audience, the
• 2:00:35
  very society that produced it. So I don't think I mind the fact
• 2:00:40
  that it's incredibly blunt. It feels very classic Who in the
• 2:00:44
  sense that there's, you know, a giant brain.
• 2:00:46
  There's a huge massacre at the end, a lot of people die the
• 2:00:51
  Yoda a bit robots of death. There's a Few references to
• 2:00:56
  Revelation, the Daleks where they find the dying in the snow
• 2:00:59
  and the doctrine, Donna kind of on the periphery of the action
• 2:01:03
  and that bit where Donna sort of thinks about her Planet back
• 2:01:08
  home. And now humans humans are spread
• 2:01:11
  across three galaxies and she asked the doctor, you know, are
• 2:01:14
  we are we as a species more like explorers or more like a virus.
• 2:01:18
  And the doctor says all sometimes, I wonder Did Eric say
• 2:01:22
  what script edit? This story.
• 2:01:24
  It is a bit sale word. Isn't it very much?
• 2:01:27
  So yeah. Um, second thing was speaking of
• 2:01:32
  revelation of the Daleks Graham Harper.
• 2:01:35
  I mean, it's the kind of become a cliche by now, but I Bears
• 2:01:39
  repeating. He is still one of the best
• 2:01:41
  directors that Doctor Who ever had.
• 2:01:43
  I think both old and new. And the thing I like the thing
• 2:01:48
  about, I like about Harper, most is just how great he is with
• 2:01:51
  actors where he's always like. All right, lots of energy, lots
• 2:01:55
  of lovely energy. Um, I watched the confidential
• 2:01:58
  for this one and there's that scene with the dying UD in the
• 2:02:02
  snow and he's like, Alright David, you see him and you come
• 2:02:05
  and not the clappers and then Catherine, you come running
• 2:02:08
  around right after, right? But two sequences in particular,
• 2:02:13
  so first, the cross cutting between that cheeri sales pitch
• 2:02:17
  to the executives, which of course, is contrast with the
• 2:02:20
  guards, kind of hunting down a nude, kind of clever, bit of
• 2:02:25
  editing, gets the point across and that action Sequence with
• 2:02:30
  the nasty security. Chief Mr. Kess Who chases the
• 2:02:35
  the doctor around the warehouse of the claw.
• 2:02:36
  And he almost has an orgasm when he's doing it.
• 2:02:39
  He's clearly padding. It doesn't actually need to be
• 2:02:48
  there but it's just so, okay, it's an enormous claw.
• 2:02:54
  Yeah, they basically the crew stick the camera on the back of
• 2:02:57
  a quad bike. And they're like, alright, David
• 2:02:59
  run, and he's just running full Pell, like weaving jumping in
• 2:03:05
  and out of the, the containers. And then when Kess has gotten
• 2:03:09
  cornered, you know, the pr woman Selena basically caught blocks
• 2:03:15
  him or claw, Blox him if you like, and you end with that
• 2:03:18
  gorgeous kind of crane shot the pans down to 10 and flat on his
• 2:03:21
  back with the claw hanging over him silent as well.
• 2:03:25
  Was it absolutes? Like just great shot, great shot
• 2:03:31
  and he would Revolution stuff at the end, which is a bit more
• 2:03:34
  chaotic. But I do like the Ood that kind
• 2:03:39
  of jumps on the garden and uses his France to motorboat him.
• 2:03:42
  Basically, you know, like that. Um, oh, and finally, yes, Tim
• 2:03:48
  Tim mcinerney as client Van Halen who I think is a really
• 2:03:53
  great bad guy so because he's not playing some galaxies
• 2:03:58
  conquering madman. He's the worst type of villain
• 2:04:01
  which is feels very true to life which is the nasty middle of the
• 2:04:06
  road franchise managing businessmen, who who he's fed
• 2:04:11
  up. He's stressed out, he's vain,
• 2:04:13
  he's losing his hair. He's been, he's under a lot of
• 2:04:16
  pressure and they he may only is greater playing.
• 2:04:21
  Those types of characters. He's been in Spooks and he has a
• 2:04:25
  role where he's this nasty MI6 type and it's very much the same
• 2:04:28
  type of role. And here you just get the sense
• 2:04:30
  that he's, this is a job that he inherited from his family and he
• 2:04:34
  didn't particularly want it. And that's basically been his
• 2:04:36
  whole life, just numbers and facts and figures and the bottom
• 2:04:39
  line. And the moment he steps off that
• 2:04:42
  rocket. He's just in a perpetually
• 2:04:44
  pissed off mood. So He's like off a fox and
• 2:04:46
  another fucking thing I have to deal with, and you just gets
• 2:04:49
  more unpleasant as The Story Goes On.
• 2:04:51
  So, the point where the end he's a bit Panama me where he kind
• 2:04:55
  of, he leaves the doctor and Donna tie up and he's like,
• 2:04:57
  enjoy your wound. Um, they do a good villain this
• 2:05:04
  year, don't I? Yeah.
• 2:05:04
  And then there's hair tonic. Yes, exactly.
• 2:05:08
  The hair tonic thing, which is a pretty obvious twist, but they
• 2:05:12
  kind of sneak in another twist, right?
• 2:05:13
  In after it, with Dr. Ryder, as the kind of activist who's
• 2:05:17
  infiltrating the company and you think as well that weighs
• 2:05:20
  getting Bolder. And Bolder, it's just stresses,
• 2:05:22
  the ugliness of the character, you know, such a visual way.
• 2:05:26
  Not that everyone. Bald is ugly, please don't think
• 2:05:29
  I'll say that. Yeah, well they kind of miss a
• 2:05:33
  little bit of a trick with with the fact that the doctor and
• 2:05:35
  Donna meet him right at the end because they did have a deleted
• 2:05:39
  scene where he kind of turns up to give a speech at the yud
• 2:05:43
  presentation, sales presentation and tenant, kind of says, well,
• 2:05:47
  hold on, I saw a new out in the snow being shot, so they kind of
• 2:05:51
  get to square up against each other a little bit.
• 2:05:53
  And then he flirts with Donna where he says, no nice coat and
• 2:05:56
  she's like, nice rocket. so, I mean it's a shame, they don't
• 2:06:02
  meet early but you know, And of course it leads up to that that
• 2:06:06
  sequence at the end that complete gross out sequence
• 2:06:09
  where he peels his head off. And oh, it's just disgusting,
• 2:06:13
  but we need more of those scenes in, in Doctor, Who I think.
• 2:06:16
  So, um, yeah. I'm I'm just more excited about
• 2:06:20
  some of the other episodes, but I'm gonna put this, I want, I
• 2:06:24
  would like to put this through, of course, my vote doesn't
• 2:06:26
  count, but I want to hear what you guys think about it.
• 2:06:31
  Well, I don't know where this one's gonna go.
• 2:06:32
  You know, well, Before you hear what we want to think about it.
• 2:06:36
  Oh yeah. See about this.
• 2:06:38
  That's here. What the rest should I start?
• 2:06:42
  Yeah. You kick off these ones.
• 2:06:44
  Oh Smiley says a pretty decent run around made memorable by
• 2:06:48
  another. Fantastic performance by
• 2:06:50
  Catherine. Tate.
• 2:06:51
  Can I get a drumroll and fun for please?
• 2:07:01
  Says, my favorite from 40 connected with me on First Watch
• 2:07:05
  and still does makes me wish the Ood got a deeper story.
• 2:07:09
  And Gareth Bali says, it's great not to be on blooming of.
• 2:07:14
  But once donor is away from her native planet and it gives it a
• 2:07:17
  feel of peril Elliott. More enjoyable, that should be.
• 2:07:23
  And it's always nice to see the short retroactively acknowledge
• 2:07:26
  that they made awkward Decisions by having a willing slave race
• 2:07:30
  in series 2. Moving and with excellent music.
• 2:07:34
  Michael storm says a good Sci-Fi yarn with plenty of action.
• 2:07:38
  Some interesting riffs on Modern slavery and a wonderfully grisly
• 2:07:42
  ending. It's a bit on the nose of its
• 2:07:44
  message at times and has a Seen It All Before.
• 2:07:46
  Vibe about it. Tim McKinney makes Halpern, a
• 2:07:49
  truly vile piece of work. Keep Oscar Groucho some
• 2:07:55
  startling iconography and bitter commentary on capitalism and
• 2:07:58
  Corruption, Catherine tits, finest Hour, Nathan bottle Lee
• 2:08:02
  wonderfully angry and political enslaved alien should rise up
• 2:08:06
  and Slaughter to their Impressions more often again.
• 2:08:09
  The nvp is Tate in a scene where Donna is tenifer, terrified of
• 2:08:13
  the rapid alien by ends up comforting as it dies there you
• 2:08:17
  are. Sweetheart, makes me cry.
• 2:08:19
  Every time the best nearby, everyone it's Mark putting tin.
• 2:08:24
  Probably my least remembered of the room but another goodie,
• 2:08:27
  it's so uncomfortably the doctor seemed so chill about the cup of
• 2:08:31
  slavery, is so an excellent idea to explore further.
• 2:08:34
  Plus I always live love Tim, McGinley Tom Newsom planet of
• 2:08:40
  the oldies straight out. The Eric say, would Playbook
• 2:08:42
  traditional who updated for the modern era like Revelation meets
• 2:08:46
  snake dolls. I love the Ute.
• 2:08:48
  There's another sneering badly. It's nothing special, but it's
• 2:08:51
  solid and better than you remember.
• 2:08:53
  The singing. Kieran Evans a surprisingly dark
• 2:08:58
  story, maybe some tone issues, in my opinion, I suspect if this
• 2:09:01
  was made more recently, it would attract comments from the usual
• 2:09:05
  crowd Melvin, Pena UD is another real showcase, the Catherine
• 2:09:09
  Tate Donna's, empathy and humanity, and how much Injustice
• 2:09:13
  moves and affects her are such important parts of her
• 2:09:15
  character. The transformation Redemption
• 2:09:18
  helping undergoes at the end is shocking.
• 2:09:20
  The Who justice system doesn't mess around?
• 2:09:25
  Daniel Nate memorable. Thanks to Tim mcenany superbly,
• 2:09:30
  visible villain, and some fairly good direction from Graham
• 2:09:33
  Hopper. The Ood on an interesting
• 2:09:35
  creation and well used here. Jason Thompson, this really
• 2:09:38
  didn't. Sorry the doctor didn't really
• 2:09:40
  do much the stuff with the crazy dude and the big claw.
• 2:09:43
  So serve no purpose except to be called Jason and the Ood got all
• 2:09:48
  mystical for no apparent reason. Even by this point though we're
• 2:09:52
  not a couple stuff was trying. I have started to wonder if
• 2:09:55
  Jason Thompson just don't like Farm.
• 2:09:57
  You know did you hear what lovely got into talking about
• 2:10:02
  kill the moon. I did very stressed out about
• 2:10:06
  things Jason take your blood pills and watch Doctor Who
• 2:10:09
  again. Oh, Tim Carter.
• 2:10:13
  Bit comic book in a simple story but it has important things to
• 2:10:17
  say about the treatment of the Ood.
• 2:10:18
  Again, Donna's compassionate empathy, shines through great
• 2:10:22
  performance from and I really can't pronounce this guy's name.
• 2:10:24
  Tim McKinney assume it's Mac and Ernie macaroni looked at all
• 2:10:29
  earlier. Yeah I was gonna struggle with
• 2:10:32
  this and I did look at up and then I'll probably forgotten how
• 2:10:34
  to do with Tim mcenery who meets a discussed in end.
• 2:10:37
  Say I think I'm just gonna go team Queen.
• 2:10:41
  I'll just call him that one. Oh, Chris another fun.
• 2:10:45
  Run around. Look, they're so young.
• 2:10:47
  I don't think they got the reference.
• 2:10:48
  No, I don't think. And that was fun.
• 2:10:51
  Run around whilst addressing the issues surrounding the nude that
• 2:10:54
  were pretty much ignored in their first story.
• 2:10:55
  I don't think all of the, your song will be ending soon.
• 2:10:59
  Stuff was coming a bit too soon. Now, did think sorry not I don't
• 2:11:03
  I do think John Arnold. Overly worthy in places and a
• 2:11:09
  part of from a little when it devolves into a warehouse Chase.
• 2:11:12
  But hey, who doesn't love story with a giant brain.
• 2:11:15
  Both classic with a giant brain, this and Tom on the army.
• 2:11:21
  Um, James Lark. Oh boy plenty of you or has this
• 2:11:26
  Holocaust illusion really been earned.
• 2:11:28
  I'm all for flagging up conditions in the clothing
• 2:11:31
  industry, but when covering such a serious topic, it's best not
• 2:11:34
  to confuse your moral standpoint with scatter shot, imagery of
• 2:11:38
  factory farming, gas, Chambers and sensors.
• 2:11:43
  Good point, James. Oh, it was too good at last.
• 2:11:48
  James Harden, Bennett comes in. And says though, I like watching
• 2:11:52
  it, I really have to turn my brain off to get past the
• 2:11:56
  utterly bizarre even by who standards biology in this one
• 2:11:59
  bin. On the other hand, Dave Renee a
• 2:12:03
  great story about slavery, incorporation, corruption.
• 2:12:06
  Tim Gwynn as the oily villain is terrific and the oud song is
• 2:12:11
  haunting. All I can see is if you don't
• 2:12:16
  get what drill was seeing Tim wean or Captain darling, as I
• 2:12:21
  like to call him. Right.
• 2:12:26
  I would win in this one, first of all because this is the
• 2:12:29
  second of the ones. The evening I was gonna consign
• 2:12:32
  to the bin I think I'm still gonna.
• 2:12:36
  Why? And I think this is a very weak
• 2:12:41
  story, It's weekly written. I think the performances or
• 2:12:46
  greatly. Like I said we're not going to
• 2:12:48
  say anything bad about Catherine.
• 2:12:50
  Tate's performance is the night and Tim McKinley still not
• 2:12:53
  getting it right. And Queen is Is, you know,
• 2:12:57
  exceptionally good as the character he plays but that
• 2:13:01
  character is just so cliched. He saw unrest, in You know
• 2:13:07
  exactly what's going on with him, where it's going to end,
• 2:13:10
  he's he's the Pooh, his villain and it's just nothing much of
• 2:13:14
  interest for me. So Olivia Colman in the 11th
• 2:13:18
  Hour, you didn't mind her. She was absolutely.
• 2:13:22
  There was nothing to her at all. She was great though.
• 2:13:26
  Yes, sorry yeah, sorry Daniel. Thank you.
• 2:13:32
  M. Think, obviously the risk
• 2:13:35
  submissions to be talked about in here, but I don't think The
• 2:13:39
  Story Goes, anywhere, near giving them, the attention that
• 2:13:42
  should do. There's a few lines here and
• 2:13:44
  there round. Oh yeah, where do you think you
• 2:13:47
  get your clothes from? You know, there's such A more
• 2:13:50
  impactful story to be told here about the Ood about slavery
• 2:13:54
  about and capitalism and Corruption and rising up and
• 2:13:58
  thrown off the shackles and whatnot.
• 2:14:00
  But this is just again, it's another light-hearted, when
• 2:14:03
  around the, the light entertainment is where it's
• 2:14:08
  overwhelming, any sort of sense of drama that we could get em
• 2:14:12
  out of this. Ooda being shot down on.
• 2:14:16
  People are being gas? Yeah, is that you're right here
• 2:14:18
  of Lighthouse and dead horse movies.
• 2:14:24
  Absolutely false. Wherever the Dude?
• 2:14:26
  Where's the dead, dude? Behind us behind the camera.
• 2:14:31
  We don't actually get to see okay with you.
• 2:14:39
  Exactly. So thousands of food, get
• 2:14:41
  massive. I'd get gunned down and everyone
• 2:14:43
  just cracks on with life. There's no because they're rude
• 2:14:47
  that well, how light hearted. Yeah, it's it's just, it's not
• 2:14:51
  there, there's not impactful in much ways, it's been tortured
• 2:14:57
  and hunted down. How is that?
• 2:14:58
  Not impactful your man, you told me, you tell me what How this
• 2:15:05
  image of an opinion? Yes, Howard.
• 2:15:08
  Well he's none of us have done you.
• 2:15:12
  False prophecy. False prophecy.
• 2:15:14
  Now you've made the heavens angry.
• 2:15:17
  The Prophecies of women are down weak.
• 2:15:20
  It's it's a clunky story. It really is is just doesn't
• 2:15:24
  really work. I think there's if you look at
• 2:15:27
  something like the rebel flesh that almost people which
• 2:15:30
  actually does Go italian with these issues and really goes
• 2:15:37
  into the depth that's needed about them.
• 2:15:40
  Yeah much better. Yes real that I appreciate that.
• 2:15:43
  It's got two parts it's got a lot more time and I appreciate
• 2:15:46
  that. We are what a shared so we're
• 2:15:48
  not actually gonna you know show bullet ridden through the snow.
• 2:15:52
  And You know, me having blood down who's face or whatever,
• 2:15:56
  they give it, that sort of impact that you would want.
• 2:15:58
  But it's yeah, it's it's a bit clunky.
• 2:16:03
  It's a bit cliche. I mean, the whole Chase and the
• 2:16:07
  doctor wrong with the giant claw.
• 2:16:08
  I mean Point of that. What?
• 2:16:11
  Because it doesn't look good. It's it looks amazingly good.
• 2:16:18
  Yes. If that's if that's what counts
• 2:16:22
  as for now kids. That's what is accounting is
• 2:16:24
  fun. You you go?
• 2:16:26
  Have you you brought up pigs? Are earlier exactly amazing. but
• 2:16:34
  I think the thing that's that really does make it Unsolvable,
• 2:16:39
  for me not so much on Salvage about it.
• 2:16:41
  But, you know, the thing that's, that's gonna make me put this in
• 2:16:43
  the bin more than anything is the brains.
• 2:16:47
  I can. Yeah, I mean you'll know this my
• 2:16:53
  suspension of disbelief is very elastic.
• 2:16:56
  You know, I can look at tin foil sitting in a chair go.
• 2:16:59
  Yep, that's a modern that's fine.
• 2:17:01
  And, you know, I can, you know, No totally.
• 2:17:06
  You know, look at A giant. Phallic.
• 2:17:13
  Monster wrapping of aluminum around a new one store to
• 2:17:17
  deflect it away from a planet and go sounds legit, it's not
• 2:17:20
  but yeah, that works for me. So it takes a lot to kind of
• 2:17:24
  snap me out of a story but A giant brain.
• 2:17:28
  Yeah I can kind of get away with the creature.
• 2:17:32
  That's probably all in some sort of back back and Dead End Of
• 2:17:37
  Evolution where it. It's born with a brain and sand.
• 2:17:41
  can kind of get there but when you know, there's one big giant
• 2:17:45
  brain out there in the snow control and all the other Brain
• 2:17:49
  and hand creatures. That's when it just scans.
• 2:17:52
  In my suspension of disbelief. This is the fellow you know who
• 2:17:55
  loves Annabelle coming out of that fairy dust at the end of
• 2:17:58
  forest or the night. Believe my ass.
• 2:18:02
  No that's bollocks that episode. I love the other don't like that
• 2:18:06
  bit. Oh well good that giant brain is
• 2:18:09
  fabulous. Don't you like the big brain in
• 2:18:11
  Tom and the wrong way? That's different.
• 2:18:13
  That's a place for double on. That makes sense, the Ronnie's
• 2:18:19
  grown a brain in a jar for Ronnie reasons.
• 2:18:21
  You know, this is this is a brain that's evolved in the snow
• 2:18:24
  on a Big Snowy planet. Wonderful race of creatures has
• 2:18:28
  evolved as a big brain. Go for him about the brains more
• 2:18:31
  for Tom that brings in Jaws little boys, but They used their
• 2:18:40
  sake of the Jaws. Not what.
• 2:18:43
  Sorry. Yeah the brains of Doctor Who.
• 2:18:48
  Yeah. It's not one big giant out in
• 2:18:52
  the snow. I mean, what about the brain of
• 2:18:54
  morbius and not, You know, bubbling out of goo that talks
• 2:18:59
  for God's sake. Yes.
• 2:19:00
  But the brains in the doctor Mysterio make much more.
• 2:19:07
  Oh, fuck off, Ryan's with eyes. Yeah, I stuck inside people's
• 2:19:13
  heads or control them. Yeah, little little brain and in
• 2:19:17
  the teenage know it's too much this man.
• 2:19:21
  Yeah, massive green collection of strawberries creatures that
• 2:19:25
  have evolved around a massive brain and the snow catching a
• 2:19:29
  brains more like, yeah. But don't you love that line?
• 2:19:31
  The album goes when he puts the minds around the brain, he's
• 2:19:34
  like, we're going to blow it up. Yes.
• 2:19:37
  Always, crying. Oh villain.
• 2:19:40
  Yeah. It's a wonderful, right?
• 2:19:43
  And it's a no for me. So, Who wants to go on the
• 2:19:49
  Kevin? You tell me exactly why I am.
• 2:19:54
  The circle must be broken. Yeah.
• 2:19:56
  Um, I think for me, as a four year old this was a great way
• 2:20:01
  of. It is a subtle as a sledgehammer
• 2:20:04
  but it's um slavery is bad kids, don't you?
• 2:20:08
  Get it? Slavery is bad.
• 2:20:08
  And as a four year old, you know, someone needs to tell me
• 2:20:10
  that eventually and it was Doctor Who.
• 2:20:12
  So I'm glad it four year old. Did you even know slavery
• 2:20:14
  existed before this? Not until not until well.
• 2:20:17
  There you go. And I was like, oh, the world
• 2:20:19
  isn't all, you know, I mean, but I'm song is well and moment
• 2:20:23
  where doctors Dr. Where Donna says, I want to go home that bit
• 2:20:28
  breaks. My heart every single time
• 2:20:29
  because we all would, if we had to hear this, it's like the song
• 2:20:33
  of suffering. Is it or captivity?
• 2:20:35
  So, like activity. Get me the fuck out of here.
• 2:20:38
  I don't want to if What the universe is like, I don't want
• 2:20:40
  to see it. I'm gonna be in this point here
• 2:20:43
  in, all right? What the song activities.
• 2:20:48
  It's again, with the music. The music in that
• 2:20:53
  transformation. It's like this weird or like
• 2:20:55
  quiet but they're all. And they do like a day in the
• 2:20:59
  life. Oh, yeah.
• 2:21:00
  All rising to the same note, in a different way.
• 2:21:02
  It's all really discordant horrible and when they first
• 2:21:06
  exit, the Tardis Donna's like an alien planet.
• 2:21:09
  I can't wait. She gets herself so excited to
• 2:21:12
  go out and it's fucking snowing and she just hates it.
• 2:21:16
  So all of our expectations is just broken in this episode.
• 2:21:19
  I love that Universe because like, she's so excited and you
• 2:21:23
  could see tenant kind of putting his coat on going.
• 2:21:25
  Yeah, it's crazy. That's what it is.
• 2:21:31
  Donna, I think Donna gets a One of her best moments near where
• 2:21:36
  you guys their ball with that brains in their hands.
• 2:21:38
  You idiot. The anger in that line she's
• 2:21:46
  just right makes them peaceful peaceful that.
• 2:21:49
  That is all the excuse our need is for the brains in this.
• 2:21:52
  The only bad thing I have to say is that that crane scene is
• 2:21:57
  fucking terrible, isn't it? Right?
• 2:22:00
  But that's the individual shots where it's just the bloke in the
• 2:22:13
  chair and he's just in the room. He's got like As the kind of
• 2:22:15
  wonderful, he's just like he's rubbing one out because it's
• 2:22:20
  just makes me really uncomfortable.
• 2:22:22
  And yes, that's how you control the clock.
• 2:22:27
  What you grabbing the handbrake but do you need a joystick?
• 2:22:30
  I mean yeah. But I think it also just hammers
• 2:22:35
  in that thing of like the messages lady just by killing a
• 2:22:38
  lot of food because boy wasn't bad enough.
• 2:22:41
  Yeah, they'll just fucking kill a lot you know and going back to
• 2:22:44
  it now after watching classic Who it does feel like this was
• 2:22:47
  Ghost written by Eric sword and he just had to get one more
• 2:22:51
  massacre in before he can get away.
• 2:22:53
  That's a tribute. Yeah.
• 2:22:58
  I'll conclude its got that classic.
• 2:23:00
  I think it's the in the Bob Baker.
• 2:23:03
  Dave, Martin's always that one line and here is the circle must
• 2:23:07
  be broken. So the circle was broken.
• 2:23:12
  Skinny. Some hair tonic is going through
• 2:23:13
  know, you have such lustrous hair.
• 2:23:16
  I thought what you to lose it and turn into it.
• 2:23:19
  This right, I will about five years.
• 2:23:21
  Bothering this call, this doesn't go through, just falls
• 2:23:27
  out module. Look at Daniel, you know,
• 2:23:30
  absolutely still not a nude. No, yes.
• 2:23:36
  All right, then true. Wrap it up.
• 2:23:38
  I liked this when it first came out, but I didn't love it.
• 2:23:43
  Now, I love it and I think it was the conversation I had with
• 2:23:47
  Mark dodic about it. I think, like, all the best men
• 2:23:50
  is a real grower planet of the Ooze, stop it.
• 2:23:54
  People complain about the doctrine are having no impact on
• 2:23:59
  the plot that the whole thing would play out.
• 2:24:03
  Whether they were there or not are completely missing the point
• 2:24:06
  and that is, they are there to have an emotional reaction to
• 2:24:11
  what is going on and to reveal just how hideous, what is
• 2:24:15
  happening to the audience and how anyone could say that the
• 2:24:18
  slavery angle doesn't impact when you have that scene of
• 2:24:21
  Catherine, Tate trying to hold back tears, as that song is
• 2:24:25
  playing. Well, I'm so sorry, you're
• 2:24:26
  washing a different episode from me.
• 2:24:28
  The odor, being dragged about the place.
• 2:24:31
  Daniel, like you said that sequence crosscutting between
• 2:24:34
  exploiting them commercially and then hunting them down in the
• 2:24:38
  base. It's just horrible.
• 2:24:41
  Absolutely, I'm beautifully directed.
• 2:24:43
  The editing in that scene is just gorgeous.
• 2:24:45
  If you're happy, then you'll be happy to.
• 2:24:48
  Oh yeah. And I love the say was setting,
• 2:24:53
  actually, it's violent. It's unpleasant, it's
• 2:24:56
  exploitative. So very cynical brutal.
• 2:24:59
  Look at the future. There are no likeable characters
• 2:25:02
  in this. A From the doctor Donna and the
• 2:25:04
  Ood you've got a morally bankrupt villain a brutal
• 2:25:08
  henchmen. Lots of soldiers with guns and a
• 2:25:11
  huge death count. I mean this could come straight
• 2:25:13
  out of season 21. Good News, 22.
• 2:25:17
  Donna being the moral and emotional Compass.
• 2:25:19
  Once again taste so good at Fury and spare she's as good as Colin
• 2:25:25
  would have been in 22 showing how angry she is at this
• 2:25:28
  situation you know and the line she gets as well great are we
• 2:25:32
  explorers or more like a virus a great big Empire bill out of
• 2:25:35
  slavery. I did put down that you idiot.
• 2:25:38
  They're born with their brains in their hands.
• 2:25:41
  That makes them peaceful and then something up brilliantly at
• 2:25:45
  the end being with you. I can't tell what's right or
• 2:25:47
  wrong anymore. We just thought it has a point
• 2:25:51
  to make but somebody, you know, transforms into an Ood at the
• 2:25:55
  end of the story. It's an appropriate punishment.
• 2:25:58
  Probably, yes, Tim McKinney is gorgeous in this, a total evil
• 2:26:03
  slime ball, every single thing. You just want something terrible
• 2:26:07
  to happen to him. Solana is a really interesting
• 2:26:12
  character. She gets the moment where she
• 2:26:15
  gets to make the right choice. And you think she's gonna make
• 2:26:19
  the right choice? And she makes the wrong choice
• 2:26:22
  and it is murdered horribly for her.
• 2:26:24
  Choice. Link is no face for quite a
• 2:26:26
  while. It's right.
• 2:26:27
  You Agony the look on Donna's face when she sells them out.
• 2:26:31
  Is fabulous. The direction is stunning
• 2:26:34
  throughout, the imagery is fantastic.
• 2:26:36
  That you know the snowy industrial location.
• 2:26:39
  The action is well staged. I think the claw sequence is
• 2:26:42
  dynamic and Brilliant. Fuck me.
• 2:26:44
  I was brought up on classic who, all right, if that sequence was
• 2:26:47
  in classic Who we'd be singing to the higher.
• 2:26:50
  Yes, every Doctor Who story with a giant brain is an instant win
• 2:26:54
  and the grossest thing in all of knew who the it's not so much
• 2:26:59
  the peeling of the head, it's vomiting off the brain and all
• 2:27:03
  the calm. Oh, doesn't?
• 2:27:06
  He was just about to have my tea?
• 2:27:10
  And I was like, oh give me five minutes, please.
• 2:27:14
  Yeah, it's not subtle. It shouldn't be subtle.
• 2:27:16
  Slavery is fucking awful, and Doctor, Who is introducing like
• 2:27:20
  to hear and the idea the slavery is awesome.
• 2:27:23
  It had absolutely win. It's exciting.
• 2:27:25
  It's got a moral heart to it. It's emotional.
• 2:27:29
  It's pointing forward to the end of the season and Catherine Tate
• 2:27:33
  is magnificent in it. Yes, I'm putting this through.
• 2:27:37
  Here, when you had a further point to me, um, if for any
• 2:27:40
  detractors of this, I've got the one defense that every Doctor
• 2:27:43
  Who fan will pull out their ass. When they're on another, on a
• 2:27:46
  losing Hill, it fulfills the educational remit, you know,
• 2:27:50
  educated. What are you gonna say about
• 2:27:53
  that one and inform? Right?
• 2:27:57
  That's the halfway point, then such as it is and you're talking
• 2:28:00
  about five stories and Shall we have the second round of
• 2:28:05
  comments of the overall series gentleman, who went first last
• 2:28:09
  time here. So should I go first?
• 2:28:11
  Yes, please don't if you. All right.
• 2:28:13
  So my name's sake. Daniel Knight season 4.
• 2:28:17
  A is the weaker of the season but a lot of frothy fun with
• 2:28:21
  some High Caliber guest stars Tate and tenant shine together,
• 2:28:24
  an RTD is a genius for bringing back Bernard cribbins in as
• 2:28:28
  wilf. I love this at the time, but
• 2:28:31
  now, if all feels a bit superficial Oh, you could sort
• 2:28:34
  of say that about the whole doctor.
• 2:28:35
  Hey boss. Think issues around slavery.
• 2:28:37
  Rock was superficial. Then muscle me.
• 2:28:40
  Yeah. It's still about the whole
• 2:28:42
  season, the destruction and murder of all those people who
• 2:28:45
  seriously. He must think that's very
• 2:28:46
  superficial, you know, fat shame.
• 2:28:48
  He must think that's very superficial.
• 2:28:50
  If the man alone he's allowed, you know, it?
• 2:28:55
  We love you. Daniel, you got your own this
• 2:28:58
  one, for example. I'm Steve from the two blonde 2D
• 2:29:02
  podcast, brilliant podcasts. By the way, the peak year of
• 2:29:05
  watching Doctor Who being 11 and seeing a confident fund Duo.
• 2:29:08
  Spark is good, mates. Good mates.
• 2:29:10
  Felt like we reached the best hardest team so far.
• 2:29:13
  Moving our Dynamic away from the.
• 2:29:14
  Will they won't they to a challenge?
• 2:29:16
  But charismatic, pal still feels like the breast refresher to
• 2:29:20
  this day, of course. Okay, David Gillespie Pratt,
• 2:29:25
  everyone's favorite RTD season. Apparently, the chemistry
• 2:29:29
  between 10 and Tate is some of the best in modern who they
• 2:29:32
  Sizzle in partners in crime and they make some of the following
• 2:29:35
  mixed bag of stories, watchable Dr. Philip boyes, I started some
• 2:29:40
  things but I didn't have anything nice to say.
• 2:29:42
  So, but not saying that's why? That's why he's got a doctorate
• 2:29:48
  and none of us. Do I feel as if I should follow
• 2:29:51
  his example? Yeah.
• 2:29:54
  Um, Ian Martin, the doctor's daughter was the absolute nadir
• 2:29:58
  of televised. We'll get there until the 2024
• 2:30:03
  series reset the boss overall notches lower.
• 2:30:06
  Oh, dear, there's nothing in this house series.
• 2:30:09
  I'd go back for now. The sontara and two part.
• 2:30:12
  She was acutely embarrassing too.
• 2:30:14
  Eco remember that you are and loves the Moffitt era, you know?
• 2:30:18
  He's a very strange man, he dropped the buzzword as well
• 2:30:21
  from the deer thought to hear thunder.
• 2:30:23
  Yeah, that was a sense of wickedness.
• 2:30:27
  Jason Thompson confident but perhaps ICD is resting on his
• 2:30:32
  Laurels about here is the season is predictable as ever Light
• 2:30:35
  present day opener. Trips to the past and future
• 2:30:37
  mid-season two-party, Meandering middle, dark two-part, Dr. Light
• 2:30:42
  and big finale. It's not as clever as it thinks
• 2:30:44
  it is. Yeah, but most televisions are
• 2:30:47
  structured Json. Yeah, exactly the same structure
• 2:30:52
  as yes, and so much better. It and Excellence with a hideous
• 2:31:01
  companion. Unlike this season, what just to
• 2:31:04
  be fair to Jason, I mean, again, as I said at the beginning, if
• 2:31:07
  they'd done it another year like this, I think it will become
• 2:31:12
  tired. So yeah, I think it's a bit.
• 2:31:14
  Formula and season 4 you know you're doing over and over again
• 2:31:19
  it gets very tedious. If you single time and you
• 2:31:23
  perfected by the end then you want a winner.
• 2:31:25
  Yeah. The Wayland spice.
• 2:31:27
  All right. A Tim Carter still my favorite
• 2:31:33
  season of knew who the chemistry between tenant and Tate is
• 2:31:36
  unmatched. This is Peak RTD and all the
• 2:31:39
  stories are great and on top of this we get Bernard cribbins.
• 2:31:42
  Who is it? Who is it?
• 2:31:43
  Perfect in the wrong is this man?
• 2:31:45
  Tim Carter. And why is he doing a handful of
• 2:31:47
  a blunt pen drive commentaries because he's Paul Kresser my
• 2:31:54
  favorite new series, finally getting the doctor slash
• 2:31:57
  companion. Dynamic for me, two mates,
• 2:31:59
  having a good time of any romantic slash unrequited love
• 2:32:01
  baggage and as such will become a bit more fun.
• 2:32:04
  You know, there's not even a scene in serious for where Donna
• 2:32:07
  trust to fuck the doctor in a bed as well, you know, and
• 2:32:10
  instant Plus she doesn't know. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:32:21
  That was that was where she got the song or not.
• 2:32:26
  You give it up, for example. John.
• 2:32:31
  John Arnold after rtd's fastest, and funniest season opener since
• 2:32:34
  rows. It's all a bit directionless and
• 2:32:36
  me and much more than the sum of its parts though.
• 2:32:40
  Thanks to probably the most engaging regular cars.
• 2:32:43
  The series has ever had a good thing.
• 2:32:45
  He's a much smarter talking about her books, isn't he then
• 2:32:49
  TV? Yeah, he's got me on to Grant
• 2:32:51
  Morrison Comics. He's a smart manager on, he's
• 2:32:53
  great Cliff Chapman, spectacularly irritating at the
• 2:32:57
  time, but time has been kind to it in comparison to the quality
• 2:33:00
  of some later episodes. The second half of series 4 has
• 2:33:10
  three of the greatest stories in new.
• 2:33:12
  Who for if you're Weirdo And insist on praising midnight
• 2:33:15
  weirdo right here, Paul. And I've had this with them,
• 2:33:19
  don't worry about it, okay? Certainly you have moffett's
• 2:33:22
  best story for RTD and Davies Masterpiece.
• 2:33:25
  But first, you have to sit six weeks of glossy filler.
• 2:33:29
  Oh yes, please, fill out. Yeah.
• 2:33:36
  Oh, in lock. Oh, in luckhurst, for me,
• 2:33:38
  serious. For as a whole is amazing.
• 2:33:40
  I love the return of Donna. Fantastic soundtrack, brilliant,
• 2:33:44
  casting, with Sarah Lancashire. And Tim Green, as I get our
• 2:33:49
  first appearance of Capaldi but not as the doctor yet and the
• 2:33:52
  return of Mars and mold villains, what's not to love
• 2:33:55
  exactly what I believe. Let me see.
• 2:34:11
  Amy. Danielle yo next to choose from
• 2:34:17
  his Pompeii doctor. Oh, Am I up next?
• 2:34:26
  I just did Planet, you know it's up to Fraser unfortunately.
• 2:34:32
  Okay. Got five stories.
• 2:34:35
  All right. Okay, let's get out the way the
• 2:34:37
  doctor's daughter. Um, so I'm gonna bring up a
• 2:34:40
  little speech that the doctor gives at the end of the episode.
• 2:34:46
  So he says I never would have you got that I never would.
• 2:34:50
  When you start this New World this world of human and hath.
• 2:34:54
  Remember that make the foundation of this Society?
• 2:34:57
  A man who never would So I'm just going to park that there
• 2:35:01
  for the moment and I'll come back to it in a second.
• 2:35:04
  I'm don't really want to join in on the pile on about the
• 2:35:08
  doctor's daughter. Just because Honestly, I don't
• 2:35:12
  think it's worth getting too. Worked up about really, it's,
• 2:35:15
  it's diverting enough for 45 minutes.
• 2:35:18
  It's kind of weirdly structured but they have that whole thing
• 2:35:23
  about the name, Jenny being born out of the word generated
• 2:35:27
  anomaly. I was actually thinking more of
• 2:35:29
  the Longs of generic because that's what it really is.
• 2:35:33
  Really its generic Doctor Who with two warring factions,
• 2:35:37
  generic soldiers and guns, pretty generic running down
• 2:35:42
  corridors which is bread and butter Doctor Who but again
• 2:35:45
  bitch and Eric, everyone's looking for the source MacGuffin
• 2:35:51
  generic the fish aliens are called the half.
• 2:35:55
  Of a generic name and all the humans have got these generic
• 2:35:58
  names like cob Klein cash and so on.
• 2:36:02
  And if you watch this after the sort of suntar and two partner,
• 2:36:07
  there's a bit too much of a thematic overlap between the
• 2:36:09
  ideas of cloning and guns. And what it means to be a
• 2:36:12
  soldier at War, which I suppose, if you think about the through
• 2:36:15
  lines, all the way through the season is probably intentional,
• 2:36:18
  but it is a bit like why are we repeating ourselves here just
• 2:36:22
  after this two-parter which felt kind of so wide open with all
• 2:36:26
  these colorful characters. And here it's a little bit
• 2:36:28
  cramped, a little bit Pokey a little bit claustrophobic, I
• 2:36:32
  mean those Factory channels. They they barely look like
• 2:36:34
  there's any room to run in really and when they take the
• 2:36:38
  tissue sample, from the doctors and It's the same scar as some
• 2:36:43
  the empty child. So, you know, they're really
• 2:36:46
  kind of saving the money on this.
• 2:36:48
  They've got like a stamp, but they put on their hands or scar.
• 2:36:51
  They've already got one stamp. I'm pretty sure in storage.
• 2:36:59
  They just keep, you've got a scarf stamp.
• 2:37:01
  Yeah, it is. Yeah scores.
• 2:37:04
  Well, this one for four years ago, like, do you score and you
• 2:37:11
  talked to fans, I'll never know. So three, three problems for me
• 2:37:16
  first. Big problem for me with the
• 2:37:18
  doctor's daughter is, well, it's, it's the doctor's
• 2:37:22
  daughter. Jenny as a character.
• 2:37:26
  She's she's pretty. She's smiling, she's bright.
• 2:37:29
  She's Sunny, she's wide-eyed. She's cute as a button.
• 2:37:32
  She's, she's also bit of an action.
• 2:37:34
  Girl, she's not very doctor is though, is she?
• 2:37:38
  I think if you gonna do something like the doctor's
• 2:37:42
  daughter, you need a bit of quirkiness in there.
• 2:37:44
  You need a bit of Susan, like for in her first story or bit of
• 2:37:49
  the kind of weirdo alienist from Idris in the doctor's wife or
• 2:37:55
  something like that. Something that separates her
• 2:37:58
  from the half and the, and the human colonists.
• 2:38:00
  And I just don't think that there's any of that in Georgia,
• 2:38:04
  tenants performance, really? Or if there is, she doesn't
• 2:38:07
  really have the range to pull it off.
• 2:38:09
  She's trying to play in a play a bit younger than she already was
• 2:38:14
  at the time because they at least convincing moment is when
• 2:38:17
  the doctor agrees to take her with him.
• 2:38:19
  And she has this kind of Percy little, oh thank you, thank you,
• 2:38:22
  thank you. It doesn't really work for me.
• 2:38:25
  Um, and the whole premise came about when Stephen greenhorn
• 2:38:28
  said, in Doctor Who magazine the doctor never changes as a
• 2:38:32
  character. So, RTG read that.
• 2:38:34
  And so thought, oh well, that's a challenge and he challenged
• 2:38:37
  greenhorn to write a script with the idea that, well, the doctor
• 2:38:41
  would change would develop as a character.
• 2:38:42
  So, give him a daughter and here, we have an episode, which
• 2:38:47
  is supposed to disrupt the doctors world and then you get
• 2:38:51
  to the end and Jenny dies, she gets brought back to life
• 2:38:54
  because Steven Moffat, Mr. Everybody lives as to stick in
• 2:38:58
  his or in their a bit. She still was a shuttle.
• 2:39:01
  She Jets off into the night sky, where?
• 2:39:03
  No? Doctors daughter has ever gone
• 2:39:06
  before and we never see her again except for the big finish
• 2:39:10
  audio's where they've tried to photoshop a cowboy Hound.
• 2:39:13
  It's true. So, I don't know if Russell ever
• 2:39:19
  planned for her to return because he brought back all
• 2:39:21
  those companions from the past four years in in the stolen
• 2:39:24
  Earth. But not this game-changing
• 2:39:26
  daughter that he came up with fucking at that point.
• 2:39:30
  Yeah. Or this is a bit awkward.
• 2:39:32
  Now to bring back the doctors store.
• 2:39:35
  Paul, the problem I think is that she's only the doctor's
• 2:39:37
  daughter in a kind of sci-fi loophole, kind of way only if
• 2:39:41
  you want her to be because she's created by this gene cloning
• 2:39:45
  machine. And so that's the get out clause
• 2:39:47
  for the writer is she's only the doctor's daughter if you want
• 2:39:50
  her to be. So because there's that caveat
• 2:39:53
  in there and she's never returned.
• 2:39:55
  It feels just a bit, kind of gimmicky, you know, it's a bit
• 2:39:58
  of a bit of a gimmick and I can only think of a few times in the
• 2:40:02
  show really where the doctors character has.
• 2:40:05
  Changed or threatened to change. So, you know, maybe put we being
• 2:40:09
  exiled to Earth or Tenant being who Bristol in the waters of
• 2:40:14
  mars or Jody and her hidden lives in the Timeless children
• 2:40:17
  or something like that. But yeah, in the end, you can
• 2:40:20
  say that Steve and greenhorn was, right?
• 2:40:22
  The doctor doesn't change and Russell, T Davies was wrong.
• 2:40:26
  And you can put that on a t-shirt if you like And so just
• 2:40:31
  yeah, the doctor is a constant. So every time you say, oh, we're
• 2:40:34
  gonna change the doctor forever, you kind of setting yourself up
• 2:40:39
  for a fall, you know, you can, you can give them a wife, you
• 2:40:41
  can give him, you can make him blind, you can give him family
• 2:40:44
  members, you can make him. Buy generate, you can make him a
• 2:40:47
  woman, it's he's the doctor stays the doctor.
• 2:40:49
  It doesn't change radically like that, even the war dogs.
• 2:40:53
  All right. They try and make this big
• 2:40:55
  powerful threatening evil, but now it's cuddly old John her and
• 2:41:00
  he's just a doctor. He's still just the doctor.
• 2:41:04
  We're going to talk, no more Seven box sets for that.
• 2:41:07
  Yeah, right exactly. So second of all, Martha or
• 2:41:14
  Martha. Um I know we love, we love all
• 2:41:19
  stop it. Not only please come on. we
• 2:41:26
  know, I know we love Prima as and she Martha is a great
• 2:41:29
  character and it's great that they brought her back, but there
• 2:41:33
  are times where I do feel She's gets a bit of a real deal.
• 2:41:36
  I think Russell was said, so himself that where Rose is this
• 2:41:41
  character, who's incredibly selfish and the moments where
• 2:41:44
  she shines is, when she selfless, and Martha, is this
• 2:41:47
  character whose selfless almost all the time, and she kind of
• 2:41:51
  suffers for it. So, you know, the whole of
• 2:41:53
  Series 3, then she leaves, then they team up with Torchwood and
• 2:41:58
  she gets almost vivisected and turned into an old lady, and
• 2:42:01
  then they bring her back in series 4.
• 2:42:03
  And as you said, Fraser, she gets kidnapped and cloned by the
• 2:42:08
  sontarans and and it's kind of glossed over.
• 2:42:10
  But like, you know, her clone even steals her clothes which is
• 2:42:14
  a humiliating and, and here. Yeah, they bring her along for
• 2:42:19
  the ride but and you're like great, The doctor Donna Martha
• 2:42:22
  on an adventure together. But not really, because they
• 2:42:25
  immediately separate her with that cave in.
• 2:42:27
  And they give her this subplot with the half, where she, as
• 2:42:31
  you. As we've all said, she she
• 2:42:33
  splashes around in a bog and everyone else stays.
• 2:42:36
  Nice and dry. She even falls down the hill.
• 2:42:39
  Give that woman, an Oscar for put it away.
• 2:42:46
  Oh, You know, I do like the the kind of the cool bit of
• 2:42:50
  business, of her making friends with the half and and he doesn't
• 2:42:53
  he silent and she has to do all the speaking.
• 2:42:56
  So it's kind of a doctor with her alien companion, but and
• 2:43:02
  that scene where he actually sacrifices himself to save her,
• 2:43:04
  it is quite poignant but it doesn't add anything to the
• 2:43:08
  story except to show you that. Well, Martha isn't cut out for
• 2:43:11
  time travel anymore. And yeah, the bit where she
• 2:43:14
  breaks down crying. I feel like those tears are
• 2:43:17
  genuine. Like three was like, oh please
• 2:43:18
  take me home, please let me go. Oh this.
• 2:43:23
  Oh, they almost make up for it in a fantastic scene with tenant
• 2:43:30
  at the end, which I think quite honestly should have been there.
• 2:43:33
  Goodbye scene, where he walks, her up, to her front door and
• 2:43:37
  they have this exchange. I just think it's brilliant
• 2:43:39
  where She says, all the things you've been ready to die for.
• 2:43:44
  I thought for a moment there you almost found something worth
• 2:43:47
  living for and he says in that tenant way of his or there's
• 2:43:50
  always something worth living for Martha and they hug.
• 2:43:54
  And she looks emotional when then she says by doctor, and he
• 2:43:57
  says, goodbye and gives her this little kind of bow.
• 2:44:00
  Almost a respectful tip of the head.
• 2:44:02
  Like goodbye Dr. Jones and then, you know, walks off, and she
• 2:44:07
  sees her engagement ring and runs inside, and it's this
• 2:44:11
  little nugget of gorgeous in a pretty lousy episode.
• 2:44:15
  I wouldn't lost her in the stolen Earth though.
• 2:44:18
  You know, Daniel. Wow.
• 2:44:20
  She's so cold outside. Finally, finally my biggest
• 2:44:26
  problem and the one that kills the episode for me, is David
• 2:44:30
  Tennant. Now, I love David.
• 2:44:33
  And as the doctor I think Too often we take him for granted.
• 2:44:36
  We don't like him because these the popular one.
• 2:44:39
  He's the sexy squash. Buckling doctor that everybody
• 2:44:42
  likes or we deliberately overlooked the subtleties.
• 2:44:45
  He can sometimes bring to the role but And, you know, he's all
• 2:44:49
  hair and teeth and shouting his lines are.
• 2:44:51
  But, um, I like turning in this episode, I like how mournful, he
• 2:44:56
  is how restrained, he is, how he's holding so much back that
• 2:44:59
  that scene has in the cell with Donna and Jenny where they, he
• 2:45:03
  talks about what a Time Lord is. And she, she talks about the
• 2:45:06
  time when she says always it like this one and he kind of
• 2:45:09
  almost laughs like Oh My Sweet Summer child sort of, you know,
• 2:45:13
  it's so much bigger. You couldn't understand.
• 2:45:16
  And we get to that, that is seen at the end where Jenny dies, and
• 2:45:20
  he's withholding so much as he kind of cradles, her and they
• 2:45:23
  even had a longer version of that scene, which is more poetic
• 2:45:26
  where they talk about. You know, the, the sauce is this
• 2:45:29
  Breath of Life that the great one breathed into the universe.
• 2:45:32
  And she looked upon her work and side and Jenny asked the doctor,
• 2:45:37
  What was that? Sigh kind of disappointment.
• 2:45:39
  Oh boy, they cut that bit. Yeah, they cut that bit.
• 2:45:43
  Yeah, good. Yeah.
• 2:45:44
  And then the doctor points, the gun that General cob, and I kept
• 2:45:49
  wondering why doesn't that seem work?
• 2:45:52
  Because is it, the idea of the doctor, picking up a gun and
• 2:45:56
  threatening to kill someone? No, because he's done that
• 2:45:58
  before and we know he's a huge hypocrite, so it's not.
• 2:46:01
  That, is it the direction? I remember it being super
• 2:46:04
  dramatic at the time, but it looks a bit flat now.
• 2:46:07
  But, no, the biggest problem for me is David's performance in
• 2:46:13
  that scene. And so now we come back to the
• 2:46:15
  speaker that I mentioned at the beginning about a man who never
• 2:46:19
  would and it's starts off well, where he crouches down all
• 2:46:23
  intense and brandishes the gun in his face and goes, I never
• 2:46:26
  would But then, how does tenant play after that, he go and I'm
• 2:46:31
  sorry for everyone's ears, but when you start this New World,
• 2:46:35
  this world of human and half. Remember that make the
• 2:46:40
  foundation. This Society, everybody shouting
• 2:46:51
  and Murray Gold music, swirls the end.
• 2:46:55
  Um and I'm just going oh no no no no no.
• 2:47:05
  I never would. Have you got that?
• 2:47:10
  I never would. when you start this new world, this world of
• 2:47:24
  human and half. Remember that?
• 2:47:31
  Make the foundation of this Society.
• 2:47:35
  A man who never would. I know why he's playing it like
• 2:48:01
  that because, you know, it's supposed to be this eruption of
• 2:48:04
  grief at the end, but it's just so overdone, it's just doesn't
• 2:48:09
  feel the right note of play that.
• 2:48:12
  I know he can be a shouty, doctor, David Tennant.
• 2:48:16
  And you know, I usually have fun with that on some level, but
• 2:48:19
  this isn't Series 2 anymore. This isn't, you know, where
• 2:48:23
  those acting choices. Can you can forgive them as a
• 2:48:26
  brand new performer, sort of feeling out the role a little
• 2:48:29
  bit. This isn't the idiots Landon
• 2:48:30
  where he's goes, I not listening.
• 2:48:32
  Ah. Um, or you know, the Impossible
• 2:48:36
  Planet you would beings you are. Amazing, this series for this is
• 2:48:42
  David Tennant's third series. X, we know he's fully.
• 2:48:47
  Set the character. Why is he choosing to play like
• 2:48:50
  that? It's just it's I'm just shocked
• 2:48:52
  laziness. Is he got a bit relaxed?
• 2:48:56
  Is he I mean, they did mention he had a bereavement during this
• 2:48:59
  series, so possibly, it's that I don't know, like he is
• 2:49:03
  performers, is in the second half of this season or some of
• 2:49:06
  the best doctor performance is your favorite.
• 2:49:08
  Yeah. So he turns it around, but I
• 2:49:11
  don't disagree with you. He does.
• 2:49:13
  I'm just shocked at how misjudged that note.
• 2:49:16
  That particular moment is it just it?
• 2:49:18
  Rings. So full, it's so Hollow.
• 2:49:20
  It's so Yeah, been bin, bin bin, bin, bin bin.
• 2:49:24
  Oh the poor Doctor's Daughter. Wonder what they're going to say
• 2:49:28
  in the comments. Well I think This story needs,
• 2:49:32
  more Susan, is something that no Doctor Who fan has ever said in
• 2:49:38
  their entire life. So thank you for that one.
• 2:49:39
  Daniel you never say again. If I have first ever.
• 2:49:43
  Yeah, just needs more Susan. Well Susan's war three.
• 2:49:51
  Oh okay. Then she teams up with Jenny the
• 2:49:55
  doctor's daughter. Yeah.
• 2:49:56
  And Vienna and Vienna. Of course, we have a song that's
• 2:50:00
  in the middle in Monk and the father dance on the lady.
• 2:50:05
  Christina goes, well, just take my money now with us.
• 2:50:08
  Surprise, twist appear as the protons at the end.
• 2:50:11
  I mean, big fishes. So he does and they all forget
• 2:50:15
  it in the end. Anyhow, moving on.
• 2:50:17
  That's what the comments? Yes.
• 2:50:20
  Alright, I'll start off with Nathaniel this time then.
• 2:50:23
  So Nathan says, Where would all falls down?
• 2:50:26
  Of course, ruined by tenants, utterly slappable.
• 2:50:28
  Self-involved man, pain. A buffing choice of locations,
• 2:50:32
  and a horribly cheap and disappointing visual effect up
• 2:50:35
  the climax. Plus the phucking fish drowns.
• 2:50:40
  Oh, never even considered he sent me that message several
• 2:50:45
  times today in preparation for this.
• 2:50:48
  He just keeps sending me a message that says the phucking
• 2:50:50
  fish drowns. We'll get there.
• 2:50:52
  Um, mad Paddington says, this one is ridiculous to be fair,
• 2:50:57
  but it is fun and that's why I'm here.
• 2:50:59
  I don't come for shit. That makes sense.
• 2:51:01
  Lucky really? I like the idea of the walls
• 2:51:04
  only be going for a week and everybody is trying very hard.
• 2:51:07
  This is probably the worst one of the lot so it will definitely
• 2:51:10
  win this episode of strictly, won't it?
• 2:51:15
  Oh, if Daniel's got anything to it.
• 2:51:19
  Kieran Evans. Oh, the first swing in a Miss.
• 2:51:22
  See we saw I find the plot Bland and the clickbaity title does
• 2:51:26
  nothing but irritate Melvin pain.
• 2:51:29
  Yeah I love this one. Annabelle.
• 2:51:31
  Working out. The dating system of the complex
• 2:51:33
  is I think one of her finest moments, I love Martha's
• 2:51:37
  relationship to the half. She's a seasoned Adventurer can
• 2:51:40
  handle herself without the doctor.
• 2:51:41
  Sorry, I think Jenny is cute and fun, and cold.
• 2:51:46
  It's a proper bastard. For upper bastard.
• 2:51:50
  Oh, we often have to find out who this guy is eventually side
• 2:51:55
  hot. Yeah, cynical side heart.
• 2:51:58
  It's someone that talks please get in touch if you know him.
• 2:52:02
  Yeah. Anyone Cynical dull and me in
• 2:52:06
  the exist to fill up 45 minutes. Oh, Daniel Knight features, the
• 2:52:10
  future Mrs. Tenant in a tight green t-shirt.
• 2:52:13
  Daniel wasn't very happy about that.
• 2:52:18
  Apparently, in the if you watch them big finish interview, she's
• 2:52:21
  like, if I had a chance to do it again, I would choose that
• 2:52:25
  something that's not tight clothing, his comment about
• 2:52:27
  Thomas, was about Ingrid's titties and his comment about
• 2:52:32
  new Earth was about Rose, Tyler's tits, I mean he's
• 2:52:35
  obsessed. Oh boy, that's about Point.
• 2:52:41
  Well, made looks cheap. What chest?
• 2:52:44
  No. Oh, this episode, look at Jeep,
• 2:52:46
  the half hour a bit silly and Nigel.
• 2:52:48
  Terry is disappointingly wooden all the plus side.
• 2:52:51
  Catherine Tate gives a nice day to Performance, even though
• 2:52:54
  she's not giving much to do. Proper recipe from David,
• 2:52:58
  Gillespie pratya. Oh boy.
• 2:52:59
  So Really bad. Ian Martin.
• 2:53:04
  Um, oh dear. Oh I think we've had this
• 2:53:06
  already, but I'll put it in twice.
• 2:53:08
  The absolute nadir of televised Doctor Who to the 2024 series
• 2:53:12
  reset. Bath several notches lower.
• 2:53:17
  There's nothing in this half series.
• 2:53:18
  I'd go back for now. sorry, in Tim Carter, the worst of the
• 2:53:24
  season for me, just dull compared with the others, nice
• 2:53:28
  to see, Martha, some more, and the fact that there's no rivalry
• 2:53:30
  with Donna, Favorite is Donna work.
• 2:53:33
  In the numbers out. Forget about bin.
• 2:53:37
  Jason Thompson brings more for a long because the plot needed her
• 2:53:40
  medical knowledge. Making it seem like it was meant
• 2:53:42
  to be in the previous season the wall lasting a week is
• 2:53:45
  ridiculous. Seriously, no one on either
• 2:53:48
  side. Can figure out the half are
• 2:53:50
  decent enough though. The younger hot Paul Kresser, I
• 2:53:54
  just never really bought the cow of Jenny in the rest is just
• 2:53:57
  okay. And why bring back the amazing
• 2:54:00
  framer? Asherman just decided with the
• 2:54:02
  walking fish. Oh, that say I want to notice I
• 2:54:10
  was four times early. I love it, makes the Cardinal
• 2:54:15
  error of a teasing title and resolving the mystery before the
• 2:54:18
  opening credits aside from that, a good solid science fiction
• 2:54:22
  concept at the heart of the story.
• 2:54:23
  But ultimately a memorable. Hulk win note to camera man for
• 2:54:30
  the doctor's daughter. Make sure you get some
• 2:54:32
  gratuitous shots of Peter Davison's daughters ass while
• 2:54:35
  she recreates that film with Catherine Zeta-Jones in a
• 2:54:37
  jumpsuit. Something for the dads.
• 2:54:40
  Wow, the film is entrapment in case anyone was wondering.
• 2:54:45
  Oh, I don't want to see it. Good grief James Lark.
• 2:54:49
  Who knows? He's getting older by the
• 2:54:51
  comment. Our theories he is.
• 2:54:53
  At this point. James we love you, James, a
• 2:54:56
  pilot for a spin-off. Nobody wanted seemingly based on
• 2:54:59
  a slightly joke about the main guest star visually, it's about
• 2:55:03
  on par with bits of more than 30 years.
• 2:55:06
  In a tardis shot, Laser Quest only less colorful Daughter.
• 2:55:12
  Look at Dalton. Watch the Luke Malloy.
• 2:55:17
  Nadia of all he did one. James, I've been Bennett comes
• 2:55:25
  back to see morphe. I get some more deal in the big
• 2:55:28
  plot, but as we had as it is, I like the Donna stuff.
• 2:55:31
  So against the odds, keep the doctor's daughter because if
• 2:55:35
  nothing else it relaxes me when I watch it and sometimes I just
• 2:55:39
  need that for me. She find a reason to be in every
• 2:55:42
  Mafia and keep everyone else he did.
• 2:55:44
  What do you mean by relax? He can do the ironing.
• 2:55:48
  It's got those Lovely Bubbly fish people.
• 2:55:52
  Dave Rooney. Oh, dear doe doe.
• 2:55:55
  Doe is a sloped to watch. Steven greenholt.
• 2:55:58
  Second effort isn't as sprinkle of thumb.
• 2:56:00
  His first one did. What was his first one?
• 2:56:02
  The Lazarus experiment. Oh, I was better, actually, to
• 2:56:06
  be fair. I'm just find Jenny, very boring
• 2:56:09
  and yet she got a series bin. Paul's my a clever premise, but
• 2:56:15
  a bit of a mess, the best bits in the story, all with Martha.
• 2:56:18
  If we might excels in her scenes, Big Orange, Michael
• 2:56:23
  says, a good story that I recall wanting to dislike at the time
• 2:56:28
  based on the title alone. Surprisingly solid and I hate
• 2:56:32
  the way they keep teasing us with bringing Jenny back.
• 2:56:35
  Yeah, comes the Nemesis Michael. Imagine, right?
• 2:56:39
  The pitch for this one. Hey, what's up?
• 2:56:41
  Let's remake underworld but make it more crap.
• 2:56:45
  Great, let's give it a fun bit and title, have the doctor
• 2:56:48
  genetically raped. Then have done a force him into
• 2:56:50
  a, keeping a child conceived through rape.
• 2:56:53
  Okay. Oh, what the hell?
• 2:56:56
  Did it quickly? Right our main.
• 2:56:58
  You overstate your case that That is a.
• 2:57:03
  Yeah, a lot of human Nemesis draw but that is a stagnant in
• 2:57:06
  correct. Take they make a whole deal
• 2:57:09
  about the machine and how they splice the genes.
• 2:57:12
  And it's it's very sci-fi, kind of Daniel, you made the point
• 2:57:16
  earlier, but Kieran. Will you now make the point
• 2:57:18
  about Michael Stahl? Money's favorite assignment
• 2:57:21
  Story, please just to remind everybody.
• 2:57:24
  Nightmare. In.
• 2:57:27
  Silver by. Neil.
• 2:57:31
  Gaiman. That's right.
• 2:57:32
  Favorite Cybermen story. And finally Oscar Groucho very
• 2:57:38
  succinctly with just three words sums up this episode.
• 2:57:41
  Apparently narcolepsy by numbers.
• 2:57:46
  That's pretty good. Well, Well.
• 2:57:50
  And who should we go to for this one first.
• 2:57:53
  I think we will go to do fold. Oh hello.
• 2:57:56
  Oh well now talk. Oh.
• 2:57:59
  Watch this back in the day, you know he did a free pretentious
• 2:58:02
  review cycle reviews and gave it miserable three out of 10 and
• 2:58:09
  absolutely loved it. It.
• 2:58:12
  But Joe Ford watched the episode today and had so much fun
• 2:58:16
  watching it. I don't know what's wrong with
• 2:58:18
  me but I have cut four, six reasons.
• 2:58:22
  I want to keep it and I've got three reasons I want to bin it.
• 2:58:25
  So I will be keeping it because the keeps are bigger than the
• 2:58:27
  bin. So I'll start with the bins, the
• 2:58:29
  bizarre, twist about the time scale of the war I just don't
• 2:58:33
  get it. I love how she works out but
• 2:58:35
  just don't get it and how nobody can actually be aware of that I
• 2:58:40
  agree with Daniel. I think Georgia Moffett bombs
• 2:58:42
  the role as Jenny and she's just far too casual for out the whole
• 2:58:46
  thing. She's like generic action
• 2:58:49
  heroine 101, isn't it? There's no idiosyncratic.
• 2:58:53
  What's the word? What was he?
• 2:58:56
  Thank you, excentricities. I'll go with that one.
• 2:58:58
  There's no quirks to her. She is just sort of the female
• 2:59:02
  Rambo but cute, GI Jane. Yeah, I genuinely do think the
• 2:59:07
  story needs an extra 15 minutes to breathe because that opening
• 2:59:09
  a bit is so fast. Like if this was a four-part
• 2:59:12
  doctor whose story you'd have an episode leading up to that
• 2:59:14
  Cliffhanger hallow. Dad, but instead, we've got two
• 2:59:18
  and a half minutes. Getting that machine quick.
• 2:59:20
  Get, what is he said? Genetically right there?
• 2:59:23
  She is. However, those are the only
• 2:59:26
  thing that I didn't like about this.
• 2:59:27
  I love the half. I thought they were a genuinely
• 2:59:31
  working a great design. And the bobbling mouth is so
• 2:59:35
  great idea and I really love how they treat Martha.
• 2:59:38
  There's a truly terrible moment, but I just love it where she saw
• 2:59:43
  looking at all, and they're all broken up.
• 2:59:45
  How do I access? See.
• 2:59:49
  No, well, so she just sort of grinning at them annoyingly, but
• 2:59:54
  it's nice. It's a nice relationship, and
• 2:59:56
  And all the better for not giving them subtitles that you
• 3:00:00
  just like, okay, I'm gonna try and figure out what they're
• 3:00:03
  saying from her reactions to them.
• 3:00:04
  They are really funny rights and their memorable in a way, that's
• 3:00:08
  kind of a lot of new. Who monsters on.
• 3:00:10
  They give them names of like old movie stars like Clark Gable.
• 3:00:15
  So once called Gable and the other ones Tech like Gregory
• 3:00:18
  Peck and so, walking fish, I mean, that's just that's like
• 3:00:23
  Douglas Adams says, Donna's. Brilliant in this.
• 3:00:26
  I love how empathetic she is towards Jenny and how she sort
• 3:00:31
  of makes that that emotional connection between her and the
• 3:00:34
  doctor, I love how smart she is, figuring out the dating system.
• 3:00:38
  And boy, do I love the bit where she goes off?
• 3:00:41
  Picked up a few feminine, walls and mortar, and distract.
• 3:00:46
  The car that oh, no, please don't do that.
• 3:00:48
  It has that cute kitten in it from Skins, he's very cute and
• 3:00:52
  he's a good actor as well. So he's quite good in this Joe
• 3:00:56
  Dem. Who cares?
• 3:01:00
  It's fabulous. I was there clapping my hands
• 3:01:03
  watching out doing the backflip through that and it's so funny.
• 3:01:07
  How the stunt double you know, you never see the face and then
• 3:01:09
  Ups Georgia. Moffett at the end amazing.
• 3:01:12
  I mean it's Crap. But it's it's really well done.
• 3:01:16
  I actually wrote down the line. You said, Daniel.
• 3:01:20
  So we're in total agreement there where she says a wall like
• 3:01:23
  this one. And the look on tenants face
• 3:01:25
  when he says, bigger much bigger.
• 3:01:27
  Like I do agree with you about his performance in the climax,
• 3:01:31
  but I think until then until then, he's good.
• 3:01:33
  Yeah, pretty great. Yeah.
• 3:01:35
  And you can still like, Drive Great emotions out of his
• 3:01:39
  reaction to the time War like three seasons in.
• 3:01:41
  Donna does get the best line of the episode which is, you talk
• 3:01:46
  all the time that you don't say anything.
• 3:01:48
  And it's just really in no way to why I buy the doctors lost of
• 3:01:54
  a daughter at the end of the episode but I absolutely buy the
• 3:01:59
  loss of another linked with his home which she was by way of
• 3:02:03
  genetic rape or whatever wicking it.
• 3:02:05
  I don't it really felt like classic Doctor Who made.
• 3:02:10
  Like you said really I was right right to you phrase.
• 3:02:13
  Wasn't I say this just feels like A Douglas.
• 3:02:14
  Sorry, a season 16 or 17. So, two war.
• 3:02:17
  In fact and crazy aliens, a mad sci-fi twist, it's not as tight
• 3:02:24
  as it could be. So it's funny as it could be
• 3:02:25
  it's not as dramatic as it could be, but it's me and potatoes
• 3:02:29
  Doctor Who, and I had great fun with it.
• 3:02:31
  So one vote to keep the doctor's daughter from me.
• 3:02:34
  Please wait on my viewing today. Wow, one foot to keep Cameron,
• 3:02:39
  are you good to answer that to keep What a Crocker ship.
• 3:02:45
  I asked never remember anything that actually happens in this
• 3:02:52
  episode until so I had to I watched this yesterday to
• 3:02:55
  remember kind of what happened and half of its kind of already
• 3:02:57
  gone out of my head that happens.
• 3:03:01
  Yeah I ended up really like Clicking the little 10 seconds.
• 3:03:07
  10 seconds forward on iPlayer through this.
• 3:03:10
  Oh, fuck. Now, I just want to get over and
• 3:03:13
  done with. I can't be asked for this like
• 3:03:15
  Daniel, you generation here. Fraser have a look.
• 3:03:18
  All right. Every single other one.
• 3:03:25
  So okay. So sorry.
• 3:03:32
  But yeah so many cliches, the great one, The Source, the
• 3:03:36
  really shit Garden of Eden metaphor.
• 3:03:38
  Um oh we have to stop cob from slaughtering the Hat.
• 3:03:41
  Just like fucking space dialogue, like that was just
• 3:03:44
  means nothing. um, also with the half with their bubbles talking,
• 3:03:50
  we should be able to understand what they're saying because
• 3:03:53
  they've gone this far with Humanity to construct a
• 3:03:56
  spaceship and go to set a different plan.
• 3:03:58
  So they deal with communicate. Therefore Martha because of a
• 3:04:02
  link with the tarby should be able to speak with a half.
• 3:04:04
  Oh, but there's a blockade in between what like five rocks.
• 3:04:08
  Yeah. That just fixes everything.
• 3:04:09
  I'm not it talking through the breathing apparatus.
• 3:04:13
  Oh, there's like there's like a language.
• 3:04:18
  It's not oh it's just in here. I thought that's like that's
• 3:04:22
  like their language. They're talking through these
• 3:04:24
  but let's talk with like flapping of the girls or
• 3:04:26
  something. That's what I mean.
• 3:04:27
  It has maybe it's sign. It's fine anyway.
• 3:04:30
  But have that point if you like monoids with Usher, Yeah, it's
• 3:04:40
  just really generic. It's the run of the mill in the
• 3:04:44
  same way that partners in crime is but it doesn't have any of
• 3:04:47
  like the charm or just the pace. of partners in crime, it just it
• 3:04:54
  doesn't fly by it just crawls past of People just referred to
• 3:04:59
  by their surnames, with guns in green underground is Eric, say
• 3:05:06
  would again? and it's just, It stops my will
• 3:05:12
  to live and makes me think, why am I fucking watching Doctor?
• 3:05:15
  Who? Why am I not watching another
• 3:05:17
  bit of good telly? So Bennett.
• 3:05:20
  Well I only got one thing to see it to that, but I said his
• 3:05:25
  thing. I just wanted to say that this
• 3:05:27
  is directed by Alice Troutman, hello.
• 3:05:30
  So directs Alice trouser fuck is Alice.
• 3:05:35
  She's the director of midnight as well which is one of the
• 3:05:39
  tightest. Directed Doctor Who stories you
• 3:05:41
  are ever. Yeah.
• 3:05:42
  See it's astonishing but these are the two she directed this
• 3:05:46
  year. I didn't know that till now but
• 3:05:47
  that completely blows my mind. That is just the completely on
• 3:05:52
  the job learning. She's like right at the end of
• 3:05:54
  this, all right, I've got it now.
• 3:05:55
  Yeah, I get it right. Give me another one.
• 3:05:58
  Anyway, sorry sir. Yes I'll just go to one thing to
• 3:06:02
  see in response to to Kevin's Section that which is what a
• 3:06:07
  crock of shit. Of course, this is going
• 3:06:11
  through. Its yes, the strictly fall back
• 3:06:17
  rules. The whole idea that it's the,
• 3:06:23
  it's the older generation. That's not like in the fun.
• 3:06:28
  It's just shuttered by these two kids.
• 3:06:30
  Yeah. I mean.
• 3:06:34
  I think, you know, a lot of points of negative points around
• 3:06:38
  things like Jenny's character being and very generic and
• 3:06:43
  that's the point. you know she's fresh out of a genetic bath, you
• 3:06:48
  know, she's what 10 minutes, 15 minutes, you know if you even if
• 3:06:52
  you think of this is real time, you know it's a 45 minutes old
• 3:06:55
  she's not actually gonna have any of these you know, she's
• 3:06:58
  programmed, the biggest Soldier you get the genetic material
• 3:07:01
  from someone, it goes in a vat, it's imprinted with what it
• 3:07:05
  needs to learn to fight and it comes out as a generic Person
• 3:07:11
  and that response and people with all the Vault just got all
• 3:07:16
  known by the syrians. Again, that's the point.
• 3:07:17
  The don't have names that just come out as batches the
• 3:07:21
  virtually sontarans, you know, just coming out as clones and
• 3:07:24
  yeah, there is a lot of overlap. Yeah.
• 3:07:26
  Between. Yeah, there's a lot of awful lot
• 3:07:28
  between this one. I noticed that as well between
• 3:07:30
  this one and the Santorum. It's all around the soul.
• 3:07:33
  Just stuff. You know, in the sun to part, we
• 3:07:36
  have the doctor you hate guns, you know, there's nothing.
• 3:07:38
  I don't like about it, you know, Paul, you know, Colonel this
• 3:07:41
  isn't allowed to stand next to him because he's got a gun, he's
• 3:07:44
  such a dick, isn't he? And then, you know, so you've
• 3:07:49
  got all this stuff about the doctor hate and soldiers and
• 3:07:52
  what not and, you know, which is really interested in when
• 3:07:55
  Capaldi comes along and sees and it sees it and they said, why
• 3:07:59
  does the doctor hit? So that's all of a sudden he's
• 3:08:01
  still here. So, he does and But then the
• 3:08:06
  issue comes up again here and the Soul much, you know, talk
• 3:08:11
  about well, you over Soldier daughter.
• 3:08:12
  You fought in the War and its really, you know, every time
• 3:08:15
  it's even got a good even got a weapon and say it's a
• 3:08:18
  screwdriver. It's not weapon.
• 3:08:20
  Well stopped weaving. It won't like one. you know,
• 3:08:24
  it's I think that's really a clever part of the story where,
• 3:08:27
  you know, that the doctors military background and he's a
• 3:08:31
  version of soldiers and everything is kind of ham at
• 3:08:34
  home to him and What do I really like about this this story?
• 3:08:37
  And I like how. Like Joe said it was very
• 3:08:41
  traditional. We've been messaging about this
• 3:08:43
  in and I think because we're older we like to do, you know it
• 3:08:47
  could be and you know, I think, you know, I said, count how long
• 3:08:51
  it takes in this story for the regulars to be separated from
• 3:08:55
  the Tardis. And then from each other in its
• 3:08:57
  four minutes. Four minutes in that tunnel
• 3:08:59
  comes down and offers on one side.
• 3:09:00
  The Tardis is on another site and, you know, him and the
• 3:09:03
  doctor away and everyone's separated and then it goes pure
• 3:09:06
  Terry Nation, it really does. And all you need is one of those
• 3:09:10
  generic characters. Be called Tyrant, it's just pure
• 3:09:18
  Terry Nation story, you know, you've got people going off on
• 3:09:21
  little quests to find things, you know, the the plot moves
• 3:09:25
  locations constant. One more like this one, he loves
• 3:09:28
  hearing a nation. Absolutely.
• 3:09:30
  It's it's it's so classic like that.
• 3:09:33
  I really like it and the half the walk and fish you know again
• 3:09:37
  it's a really fantastic idea. Would need oh No Monsters, come
• 3:09:41
  on, they are shit but they're great, dude.
• 3:09:43
  We need more accuse and Doctor Who, you know?
• 3:09:47
  Everything's just going back to the other stuff.
• 3:09:49
  You know, what? New, you know, we've got things
• 3:09:51
  like jadun in the Angels, but nothing's kind of sticking is
• 3:09:55
  it. I think, you know, throwing
• 3:09:57
  another sort of race and it's, it's a very rustle thing as
• 3:10:00
  well, isn't it? It's, it's animals animals.
• 3:10:03
  Yeah, you know, come people and forgot.
• 3:10:05
  Anthropomorphic, Alias, yes, that's the word I'm looking for.
• 3:10:09
  So like that. I like Martha's little side
• 3:10:11
  hustle. And, you know, Daniel was
• 3:10:13
  saying, you know, what's the point of that?
• 3:10:14
  What's the point of Martha going off with the half?
• 3:10:16
  And I think that's just kind of humanize the host to make it
• 3:10:19
  clear that the half on the bad guy is in this.
• 3:10:22
  If anything, it's, it's the humans of anything.
• 3:10:24
  It's it's modeled major cob and going around Slaughter and
• 3:10:27
  everything the half or presented a lot more.
• 3:10:29
  And that's the good guy was see that when Martha falls into the
• 3:10:34
  quicksand and the half Falls in and drowns in the quicksand,
• 3:10:38
  which is what happens when you put fish in quicksand?
• 3:10:40
  Nathan fish. Drown inside know he was so
• 3:10:44
  choking was supposed to be like thick sludge.
• 3:10:46
  Yeah. It's just water with something
• 3:10:49
  on the top. That breaks his breathing
• 3:10:52
  apparatus. Doesn't it sinks you breathing
• 3:10:56
  through his little Monoid dust mask, and he's going to
• 3:10:59
  eventually drown. Like I just know, you guys all
• 3:11:02
  love frame management, but that is a fuck.
• 3:11:05
  Is a terrible reaction. Oh, no, I'm not one.
• 3:11:10
  I'm not within that one. I think, you know, when I was
• 3:11:13
  about like a month or so good. And thought, actually, this is
• 3:11:15
  really quite a good story and you I was really sold on on that
• 3:11:20
  same author. Does get a bit of a Delta
• 3:11:24
  Wolfhound this off the series by.
• 3:11:26
  I think Freemasons doing everything she can and with With
• 3:11:30
  the material. You know, obviously, it's the
• 3:11:33
  story that you says, George and David Tennant together and off,
• 3:11:36
  they go and have, you know, several hundred children of
• 3:11:39
  their own and, you know, you know, fantastic power.
• 3:11:43
  I'm glad we waited until. Now the point that out we would
• 3:11:46
  have been a cliche Doctor Who podcast otherwise oh, great
• 3:11:51
  couple though like. Yeah.
• 3:11:52
  So true. A positive couple.
• 3:11:55
  Absolutely. You know, raising their kids in
• 3:11:57
  the best way. Possible at the minute.
• 3:11:59
  I think she can't access well but then she can produce.
• 3:12:03
  Oh, I will say one thing. Nice thing about George.
• 3:12:06
  And actually I do like that scene where she kind of flirts
• 3:12:11
  with Joe dempsie. The guy, your man from skins and
• 3:12:14
  pulls a fast one on him, she snugs him and then grabs his gun
• 3:12:18
  and then it pans over to donor and and the doctor.
• 3:12:22
  And she's like, see you try that.
• 3:12:25
  I do like that. Yeah and I do I like the
• 3:12:29
  character I think you know it's it's whatever else has said you
• 3:12:32
  know she's and you know sparkly and fun and you know Drawing
• 3:12:38
  you, what you want? You want people happy to travel
• 3:12:40
  in the tortoise and stuff like that and she really does fit the
• 3:12:43
  bill. You know, when she does kind of
• 3:12:45
  sacrifice herself at the end to see if the doctor I think that
• 3:12:48
  is, you know, really moving scene and I quite like David
• 3:12:52
  tenants before performance in that.
• 3:12:53
  And, you know, he is very shout. He's very loud.
• 3:12:56
  But he's, he's an RTD doctor in hearty day, is not a subtle
• 3:13:00
  Raider. This is not a sort of series,
• 3:13:02
  you know, You've got, you know, movie called Blair and over
• 3:13:06
  telling you exactly what the feeling of attendance doing it.
• 3:13:09
  You know this is This is Artie. You know, there's, there's very
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  little sortie there. So I think that's, that's the
• 3:13:16
  perfect match. But the one thing that really
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  struck me about this when I watched it, the one thing that
• 3:13:21
  really stands out above anything else is Donna and Donna's
• 3:13:26
  character in this, you know, if you want to see point me in a
• 3:13:31
  direction and see, right? This is what makes donor so
• 3:13:34
  special. This is the impact that the dog
• 3:13:36
  Donna has on the doctor. It's this episode, it's that
• 3:13:40
  scene in the cell where she gets the stuff, the scope out, and
• 3:13:43
  she puts the stuff at school on Jenny's chest and says this.
• 3:13:47
  And What do you hear? You hear?
• 3:13:49
  Two Hobbits. She is your daughter when she
• 3:13:52
  convinces him. That that's And his daughter is
• 3:13:57
  it's just my it's it's magic. It's exactly what I want from
• 3:14:01
  sort of like a whistle TVs. And era story that level of
• 3:14:06
  character detail. I love the fact that it's heard
• 3:14:08
  that figures out. Exactly, you know what the
• 3:14:12
  mystery is? You know, it's seven days and
• 3:14:14
  it's counting backwards and you know, she figures that out with
• 3:14:17
  them with working and library. And and I'm fine with that.
• 3:14:21
  I'm fine with the idea being that, you know, it's
• 3:14:23
  generational. So many people have been born
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  and died in this seven days in this pointless, stupid war that
• 3:14:30
  the clean forgot about what even started it or why?
• 3:14:34
  Oh, stupid. But yeah, what was stupid, you
• 3:14:37
  know. So let's specially this one.
• 3:14:40
  Let's let's get that sort of Bosch, was over the head and see
• 3:14:43
  war was so stupid that you in seven days, you can kill him.
• 3:14:46
  So many people, you've gotten wildlife.
• 3:14:48
  And what is it good for. Absolutely nothing.
• 3:14:52
  But, you know, if this was it 16 in the 17th, Douglas War script,
• 3:14:57
  I think this you just wouldn't have made that twist.
• 3:14:59
  Funny, yeah, Snappy. I would have done but like I say
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  we're not kind of presented as a serious thing and I was going
• 3:15:07
  out really? I think the thing you've got to
• 3:15:10
  realize is that if this was in, you know, six, you know, 17,
• 3:15:14
  then Douglas, Adam would have four episodes to play with as
• 3:15:17
  well. He'd have twice the length of
• 3:15:19
  this one. He needs it as well.
• 3:15:20
  This episode needs it to. I don't think it does.
• 3:15:24
  To be honest, I think it's got enough time to tell the story
• 3:15:26
  that one. Still, if it wants to tell this
• 3:15:28
  story of the doctor going through a change, you know the
• 3:15:31
  doctor starts off as you know being very close the idea family
• 3:15:35
  and it's beautiful The Way spells it out you know that
• 3:15:37
  family and I've lost family and its kind of glossed over up
• 3:15:41
  until this point, isn't it? It's kind of like just like a
• 3:15:44
  little throw away commenting. Something is it there?
• 3:15:46
  Who has a daughter? I want in.
• 3:15:49
  What did you say exactly? And you know, have actually
• 3:15:54
  spent some time around that and you know, the doctors trauma of
• 3:15:58
  losing all his family in war again and or whenever is is
• 3:16:02
  really powerful. So if that's the story wants to
• 3:16:05
  tell, it's got the time it does a kind of, you know, you look at
• 3:16:08
  the doctor at the start, you look at the doctor and he's gone
• 3:16:10
  through a journey and it's all around, you know, having the
• 3:16:13
  store, and then losing her so 100% and to keep up for me.
• 3:16:16
  It's, it's fun as I say is and it's just for his you say, is
• 3:16:21
  why does everyone else on the entire planet hate it or in And
• 3:16:28
  I changed my vote now. Yes.
• 3:16:30
  Yeah. So persuasive man who would
• 3:16:36
  stick in that boat? Have you changed it?
• 3:16:40
  Yeah, that's going through shame.
• 3:16:47
  Right? So, Kieran, you've got one story
• 3:16:50
  left to talk about it is the size of Pompey.
• 3:16:53
  So please tell us where you fly this one.
• 3:16:55
  I really don't know where I sit with this one.
• 3:16:58
  I'm so, I could really be swayed even Direction here, you know,
• 3:17:05
  it's got the the blank of blank doctor who named for a story
• 3:17:09
  which instantly puts me on the back foot of.
• 3:17:10
  Like, all right, here we go. Do the whole Pompeii thing
• 3:17:16
  again, which are like after coming back to this, after going
• 3:17:20
  off on big finish. And you got, um, what's the one
• 3:17:23
  with the fireball? Thank you.
• 3:17:26
  Very different stories. Very, very different.
• 3:17:32
  Again, this goes back to like the man who never would the
• 3:17:36
  doctor again. Commits even more genocide by
• 3:17:39
  blowing up on page. I know, it's, I know it's either
• 3:17:41
  the Pompeii all the world, but he still does it free time in
• 3:17:48
  one episode. Kill more kill more.
• 3:17:52
  Again. Yeah, it's doing the historical
• 3:17:55
  in the placement of where it was the last three years.
• 3:17:58
  But fine. I Pete's great.
• 3:18:02
  Of course, his colonies doing this thing, modern art, or when
• 3:18:08
  he's with the Tardis, that's his first year Modern Art.
• 3:18:11
  I forgot what the bloke with the stone arm is called again.
• 3:18:14
  Lucius extras. That is so like Shakespeare,
• 3:18:19
  isn't it? That's so dramatic.
• 3:18:20
  Where he's talking about the wind and the whales and whatever
• 3:18:24
  bulshit on about do you wish people talked like that now here
• 3:18:28
  and I love it. I do.
• 3:18:29
  But just come in on that completely impenetrable sorry
• 3:18:32
  just to come in. Not point.
• 3:18:34
  You know what Lucius pet was dexterous translates to in?
• 3:18:37
  Latin got electrified Stone, know what is it?
• 3:18:41
  Lucius Stone arm. And it's got a War pistol in it.
• 3:18:51
  So that really love you Kieran. I remember when I first watched
• 3:18:55
  the water pistols hilarious because it is it's like the
• 3:19:01
  world's gonna end and the wet your weapon of choice is the
• 3:19:05
  little, the little gun that I, I'm armed.
• 3:19:07
  Yeah. um, There's there's short monsters as well, the pirate
• 3:19:13
  while, you know, like how do they only reproduce through
• 3:19:18
  humans turning humans to power files and if so how do they get
• 3:19:21
  this far? Do they just like convert other
• 3:19:25
  races as they go along? Oh, fuck.
• 3:19:27
  You guys up for the audience? Yeah, words of wisdom, Words of
• 3:19:34
  Power. And why did it always why they
• 3:19:38
  look Roman as well. Did they change themselves to
• 3:19:41
  look like that or was Society influenced by them?
• 3:19:47
  It's just a lot that line their breathing in the Vesuvius, like
• 3:19:52
  they're kind of inhaling all the dust from the Volcan.
• 3:19:55
  Yeah. it's one that like I watch and I'm really engaged while
• 3:20:01
  watching it and then afterwards I look back on and I think yeah
• 3:20:05
  I wasn't a dog too. So I think I'm gonna wait to
• 3:20:09
  pass my judgment and so I've heard all of yours arguments if
• 3:20:12
  that's okay. Cuz I'm really on the fence
• 3:20:14
  about this one. Decision to using interesting,
• 3:20:19
  right? Okay, so let's see if the
• 3:20:23
  comments for our contributors can help you along this way a
• 3:20:28
  little bit and I think it's my turn to go first.
• 3:20:31
  So First one, we've got up, is Oscar Groucho, who says it's a
• 3:20:36
  chamber piece that would in retrospect prove an orchestra
• 3:20:38
  for the narrative dexterity of the shores relationship with
• 3:20:41
  time travel and ensemble, cast, only highlights, how Seminole
• 3:20:45
  attacks this has proved in retrospect.
• 3:20:48
  Or someone please give Oscar Groucho a black archive book to
• 3:20:51
  write please And an Oscar, he's not grouchy.
• 3:20:57
  At always a fabulous artist. Paul says, one of my favorite
• 3:21:02
  new stories, very exciting and compelling both regulars at the
• 3:21:06
  height of their powers. Running in a bitly here.
• 3:21:10
  I've got sting King. Stephen, the First On Pompeii.
• 3:21:13
  I was quite disappointed that the other side I element to the
• 3:21:17
  story when it really didn't need one.
• 3:21:18
  Oh, King Stephen sir. Hello?
• 3:21:21
  And I'm very sad for you. It's not on the other hand, says
• 3:21:26
  a hilarious Rob, culminating in two ways, in which takes steals
• 3:21:31
  the show, the one where Donna, joined him with the doctor to
• 3:21:33
  press the lever. Right?
• 3:21:35
  And the one in the child is when she begs the doctor to save
• 3:21:38
  someone. Oh, that's even better.
• 3:21:42
  Tom Newson. Fires of Pompeii.
• 3:21:45
  Genuinely feels like something new for the series.
• 3:21:47
  These historicals get more and more.
• 3:21:49
  Ambitious, this one has scale. Epic overseas filament, it
• 3:21:54
  counts and very cool monsters. Everyone rightly remembers the
• 3:21:58
  movie ending And the jokes. Oh, coins says should we do a
• 3:22:03
  pure historical setting Bombay maybe at the doctor and Donna
• 3:22:07
  cut off from the Tardis usually eruption to build the tension
• 3:22:10
  and Terror. No fuck that let's have
• 3:22:13
  Transformers shooting fire and make a lad, make the ladder out
• 3:22:16
  of Quadrophenia look like Soundwave.
• 3:22:20
  You insult the Gods. Let's go on a mad Paddington.
• 3:22:25
  Possibly the best example of explaining the shows rules to
• 3:22:29
  the new companion. Fixed points in time and all
• 3:22:31
  that. Plus Phil Davis is an absolute
• 3:22:34
  cartoon and I bloody love it in. Donna's heartbreak is played so
• 3:22:38
  well. A car accident.
• 3:22:39
  He just goes to go. No.
• 3:22:43
  That's great. Karen Evans, know yes cure 11
• 3:22:47
  says great proper staff for Donna and her big in the doctor
• 3:22:50
  to save someone. It's a brilliant scene.
• 3:22:54
  Yeah. Comes Jason Thompson.
• 3:22:56
  Fires vampire looks gorgeous, but lost my interest.
• 3:22:59
  When the plot went from having to allow a natural disaster, to
• 3:23:02
  take place. So having the doctor obliged to
• 3:23:04
  cause the disaster to prevent the bigger one.
• 3:23:07
  The argument was sound without that sci-fi element.
• 3:23:11
  The words of astronaut astronomers are weak and dull as
• 3:23:15
  Lucius. Petrus, may say melvinia.
• 3:23:18
  James Moran. Script has humor and tense
• 3:23:20
  emotional drama, tenants soothsaying, exchange for Phil
• 3:23:24
  Davis is a great sequence, love the Civilized Sisterhood.
• 3:23:27
  We didn't get enough Get this right Joe Colts in new who Donna
• 3:23:32
  really starts challenging and changing the doctor in this one.
• 3:23:37
  And eight. Pompey is a weird one, it's not
• 3:23:40
  bad. It's just there, like, planet of
• 3:23:42
  fire or Galaxy 4, it feels unmemorable, which is a shame.
• 3:23:46
  Is the guest cast and script or strong, I mean, there's nothing
• 3:23:48
  on memorable about Galaxy 4. Yeah.
• 3:23:50
  And on planet fire won season 21 of Strictly Come Out.
• 3:23:54
  So what that? Yes, you need to listen to, you
• 3:23:58
  know, that's by no means any sort of endorsement.
• 3:24:02
  I regret nothing Tim Carter, says, what are the best of the
• 3:24:07
  season for me? Interesting story with a great
• 3:24:09
  dilemma for the doctor. Anyone who says, take cannot
• 3:24:11
  act, after her final scene in the Tardis, where she begs the
• 3:24:14
  doctor to save the family needs to give their head a wobble
• 3:24:17
  safe. Well cresa.
• 3:24:20
  One of my all-time favorite episodes, very classic human
• 3:24:24
  format with just the right amount of new who emotion tier
• 3:24:27
  gives it a more amazing performance, that, proved those
• 3:24:29
  who doubted her Casting wrong. John, Arnold sells itself out
• 3:24:33
  for Donna can, sorry? Yes.
• 3:24:35
  It was itself out for Donna, confronting the doctor with what
• 3:24:38
  it means to be human, the dynamic with a more mature,
• 3:24:40
  companion means the Collision of viewpoints has weight to it,
• 3:24:43
  that perhaps hasn't been since the Aztecs Was that a positive
• 3:24:48
  comment from John? I think it is.
• 3:24:50
  Jim's, Lock the face pump. It is the best of this Bunch,
• 3:24:56
  but something's wrong when this expensive trip to room proves
• 3:24:59
  far less impactful than big finishes take on Pompeii.
• 3:25:02
  And indeed, when the story with the more subtly and elegantly
• 3:25:05
  acted doctor is McCoy's oh nonsense know and at the end of
• 3:25:11
  part 3 of the fires, sorry was called the fires of Oak and he
• 3:25:14
  goes, was it? Your planet will be a Jewish way
• 3:25:20
  more over the top, the McCoy is in the Father James, your mad
• 3:25:24
  and roll. Oh, sorry, not your sign.
• 3:25:28
  I think he's knowing now, you know, James hadwin Bennett, not
• 3:25:33
  the most sensible plot lines, but a great gimmick about
• 3:25:36
  Vesuvius. Not sure about the glowing tile
• 3:25:39
  this and turn left. Kind of negates the emotional
• 3:25:41
  end of the story. But definitely keep I thought if
• 3:25:45
  I would just kind of gradually age and James Locke like 10 10,
• 3:25:48
  at the end of hey will be our centenario, where everybody else
• 3:25:53
  out? Yes, we love you, James docky
• 3:25:56
  the house by the fires of pompy looks great, but it's really
• 3:26:05
  just fill in time until that astonishing scene, where doctor
• 3:26:08
  pulls up the doctor for wanting to bugger off.
• 3:26:10
  Tracy child deserved more. Oh there's another big finish
• 3:26:14
  staple. That's Cline from Big finish.
• 3:26:16
  Tracey Charles. You can hear it.
• 3:26:19
  If you shut your eyes, Michael storm.
• 3:26:21
  Finishes off here with Capaldi and Dylan.
• 3:26:24
  Oh God. Why?
• 3:26:25
  And killer make their, Who debut, signposting?
• 3:26:30
  Better things to come. Fuck off, Michael storming, but
• 3:26:36
  I Love You by Michael really. Fortunately, they also debuted
• 3:26:39
  in a splendid episode with a good examination of both the
• 3:26:42
  doctor and Donna's character in the face of impending disaster.
• 3:26:45
  Pity the villain looks a bit like Jack met.
• 3:26:49
  Keep. Yes, Michael rightly positive
• 3:26:55
  that I think part of you here in any of those comments helped you
• 3:26:59
  make your mind up. I'm gonna go James Lark, that's
• 3:27:02
  been it. Yeah.
• 3:27:03
  But your vote does not count our last guy doesn't know.
• 3:27:07
  Well, let's see. Because I'm I'm on the fence
• 3:27:10
  with this one as well. To be honest.
• 3:27:13
  And this is a fancy one for me. The reasons why, I mean I
• 3:27:16
  watched this back and the thing that struck me watching it when
• 3:27:19
  I rewatched the first time back was this is perfect.
• 3:27:22
  So that entertainment Absolutely perfect.
• 3:27:26
  It's doing everything that you want to do.
• 3:27:28
  It's it's funny. It's got a really witty script,
• 3:27:34
  there's so many good lines in there.
• 3:27:35
  There's things like, you know, taking a Maximus and I'm
• 3:27:37
  smoking. Yes, I'm spotted us and so is my
• 3:27:41
  wife and yeah, you know it's it's it's really quite funny,
• 3:27:45
  it's educational, it's teaching all the kids about oh my Pompeii
• 3:27:51
  and it looks the part the shooting on I believe the sets
• 3:27:56
  from Rome chinita. Yes well all those Italian
• 3:28:00
  movies are what was it the the TV series room.
• 3:28:05
  Yes, went along and you know the classic trick and someone else's
• 3:28:11
  sets of the day, two days. They had two days to do a 48
• 3:28:15
  hours, but some of the best says of sea were lost in that.
• 3:28:19
  Fire. Yeah, we gotta filming like an
• 3:28:22
  empathy theater and all that I had all know, they were all
• 3:28:24
  lost. That's why we're only in the
• 3:28:26
  market, you know? So I don't like yeah, I mean, it
• 3:28:31
  works. It really works.
• 3:28:32
  You know, you absolutely sold up.
• 3:28:33
  This is, you know, Pompey. And if there's something this,
• 3:28:37
  something about this season, this part of the series where
• 3:28:39
  you do kind of see a lot of expense on screen, I mean, we
• 3:28:44
  talked about that scene in the two part where and you look at
• 3:28:48
  the shit together in Google in guns, Blaze.
• 3:28:50
  And it's you know, there's the scones, the smoke, there's loads
• 3:28:53
  of extras going on. There's there's a sense of of a
• 3:28:57
  lot of money being spent on the screen here and The character
• 3:29:03
  wise, you know we've got a really strong set of characters
• 3:29:05
  here. And anyone that learned Latin
• 3:29:08
  like I yes it's school will Know perfectly.
• 3:29:12
  Well, it came Ridge Latin textbook.
• 3:29:14
  Yeah, killius tested how to do them.
• 3:29:16
  That's right. You know, we'll get that little
• 3:29:19
  joke that the character named after and you know, the the
• 3:29:24
  people from the text there and Obviously your capabilities in
• 3:29:29
  there be in. Brilliant because he is and he
• 3:29:33
  could be a likable actor. I mean, I couldn't finish his
• 3:29:36
  Doctor Who but in this he was very likeable and you want
• 3:29:40
  that's watching it all. Yeah and no not many people did
• 3:29:44
  they don't dish the show bar, then you know, Karen Gillan, you
• 3:29:47
  know, comes in as well and gives an unrecognizable to have voice
• 3:29:51
  right now easily the best before but she ever gave you Up and of
• 3:30:08
  it. I love that scene where the half
• 3:30:10
  the sort of soothe off in. You know like I actually read
• 3:30:14
  your mind and I should read your future but I should read it more
• 3:30:16
  and I shall give you some little plot for the next next couple of
• 3:30:20
  stories but I shall give you some more plot box as well.
• 3:30:22
  And it's daughter of London. There is something on your back.
• 3:30:26
  It's, you know, when we talked about partners in crime of like
• 3:30:29
  setting up, you know, the Arctic to go on.
• 3:30:31
  It's like, you know, Phil Davis is, is Lucius, you know, comes
• 3:30:34
  out and basically shoots the doctor in the face with the plot
• 3:30:37
  or gun, like Homer Simpsons makeup gun and splatter as
• 3:30:40
  awkward, goes everywhere. And right.
• 3:30:45
  You are a lot, a lot of time. So that's that's really the the
• 3:30:52
  party of owls are a little bit enough and you know one gets
• 3:30:55
  blown up with a cup of water. The other You know, that's never
• 3:30:58
  gonna, that's not gonna do anything the water pistol.
• 3:31:00
  Yeah. It's gonna stain.
• 3:31:01
  That's more. More they do over here.
• 3:31:03
  The high priestess, though, and all that makeup.
• 3:31:06
  Yeah, oh yeah, with her horrible tongue sticking out that noise
• 3:31:11
  and the blacks. The contrast, isn't it?
• 3:31:14
  Really? You're not much is impossible.
• 3:31:16
  It's an obviously, you do have those, you know, kind of really
• 3:31:21
  emotional beats, you know, because though it's perfect sort
• 3:31:26
  of something. This is what you want to be
• 3:31:28
  watching. Exactly what you want to be
• 3:31:30
  watching Pitch Perfect for sat and ate, you know, with the kids
• 3:31:34
  or with a can of beer before the football or before the Lord we
• 3:31:38
  or whatever. Was on at that time you know
• 3:31:39
  it's perfect for Saturday night and it's It's got about 758%
• 3:31:46
  late and a tin, but it's got that drama.
• 3:31:48
  So it keep you engaged as well. It's got that whole thread of,
• 3:31:52
  you know, what we're gonna do about pompy, or we're gonna let
• 3:31:55
  him die or we're gonna try and see if people and it's just that
• 3:31:58
  one and thread all the way through and of the dock of Donna
• 3:32:01
  really kind of pushing the doctor to see if people and see
• 3:32:04
  them. The downside is will get this
• 3:32:07
  box idea of fixed point in time introduced to kind of Work where
• 3:32:12
  we out of it and to say, well, no, we've got to let you know,
• 3:32:15
  it's not just because obviously, that's what's happened in the
• 3:32:17
  real world, and we can't go around changing the past on
• 3:32:20
  television, because that gets over very sticky bits of invent,
• 3:32:24
  this bollocks of, and fixed points in time, which will come
• 3:32:27
  back and want us in series six. And what was that?
• 3:32:33
  Mars fabulously know, terribly, terribly gorgeous.
• 3:32:36
  But it is the kind of like the the new series answer to the
• 3:32:40
  Aztecs. When he says to Barbara you
• 3:32:42
  can't rewrite history, not one line and it's putting him rules
• 3:32:48
  and the historical stories. And, and he's getting rid of
• 3:32:50
  that argument of. Why can you do it in the future?
• 3:32:53
  And not in the past, the doctor changes history constantly,
• 3:32:56
  everything he does changes, someone's history, whenever
• 3:32:59
  never bother about changing history on skull or you know,
• 3:33:02
  who would sphere or whatever. It's just go in and do your shit
• 3:33:06
  and come out. And but all of a sudden we've
• 3:33:07
  got fixed points and all kinds of this because basically it's
• 3:33:10
  it's our history Window World. We can't change it, you know,
• 3:33:12
  pompy happened, lots of people died, and fortunately, and we
• 3:33:17
  learned a lot of history. And, yeah, you have those, you
• 3:33:21
  have it gives you that sort of like, emotional beat of.
• 3:33:23
  Well, actually. Now I have to do it.
• 3:33:25
  I have to be the one. You know, I have to be the man
• 3:33:28
  who would push that lever in Donna said, help them, that's
• 3:33:33
  really beautiful. And then you get the end bit
• 3:33:34
  where she and You know. Basically.
• 3:33:39
  Cries and get something in the. Saving.
• 3:33:42
  Okay, so why then am I on the fence?
• 3:33:45
  I hear you ask, and it is that last seen that last scene really
• 3:33:48
  troubles me. The reason why bit of a trigger
• 3:33:51
  warning, it feels very abusive to me.
• 3:33:55
  Feels very much like part of the domestic abusers Playbook
• 3:34:00
  whereby. You Get someone in such a state
• 3:34:04
  that something that they want, then agree to it and get them to
• 3:34:08
  feel thankful about. It's not what happens at all in
• 3:34:11
  that. I would not feel me.
• 3:34:15
  Oh completely agree with that, how it feels to me, that's how
• 3:34:19
  it feels and get help, wait stop, they're trapped away from
• 3:34:24
  the Tardis you're wrong. You're wrong when you see it
• 3:34:27
  that way, you can then see a lot of other problem behaviors of,
• 3:34:32
  of this doctor throughout the series, as well, you go to the
• 3:34:36
  song and to part and you watch And basically bullied on that
• 3:34:41
  into going out, the TARDIS. You know, but he's kind of he's
• 3:34:45
  he's bolstering, he's kind of saying I know.
• 3:34:46
  Yeah, no it doesn't, it doesn't do anything.
• 3:34:51
  This is about what he does this in the TARDIS She's in the
• 3:34:57
  Torres. She's in Tasha's wrong home
• 3:35:00
  because that's the only number. She's got Cruces launches
• 3:35:02
  isolate. It's just scared.
• 3:35:03
  He Rings opens says basically I need you to go outside and you
• 3:35:08
  know unplug or change the fuses whatever she Might have to talk
• 3:35:16
  my turn to talk. She then says, I'm really scared
• 3:35:21
  the gonna kill us and he's just say, oh me you just need to do
• 3:35:24
  it. You just need to do it.
• 3:35:26
  There's no attempt to kind of, you know, build up confidence.
• 3:35:30
  There's no attempt to kind of reassure or anything is just got
• 3:35:33
  to go into it, literally, says, you are brilliant.
• 3:35:37
  You can do this your brilliant. If you guys, I've seen Robin.
• 3:35:44
  What's that? He goes?
• 3:35:44
  You're my secret weapon. Oh, that's already building up
• 3:35:47
  confidence. Reddit, it's terrible.
• 3:35:51
  It's terrible. So that's why I really struggle
• 3:35:54
  with this because I think, you know, It's it's really not a
• 3:35:58
  good Dynamic. We talk about Capaldi and Clara
• 3:36:00
  and having this toxic relationship.
• 3:36:03
  Oh, worse, there's a lot of toxicity in the Tenth Doctor and
• 3:36:09
  done it. We're going to get to this the
• 3:36:11
  end of this series, you know, the next time will come out.
• 3:36:14
  And I've got some big issues around that as well.
• 3:36:16
  And but this is really where it kind of starts or I know I know
• 3:36:21
  exactly what you said, you know that's probably not what's
• 3:36:24
  happening but that's what it feels.
• 3:36:26
  That's what it feels like to me. That's how that's when I watched
• 3:36:32
  it. That's why we're comes across.
• 3:36:34
  So that's why I struggle Like I say, perfect.
• 3:36:37
  But television, perfect, perfect.
• 3:36:38
  Then a really Unpleasant and information.
• 3:36:42
  So I'm gonna steal on the fence a little bit as well and I'm
• 3:36:46
  going to throw it over to Joe. Go on.
• 3:36:49
  You have heard, you talk some bollocks on a Samsung.
• 3:36:53
  I've before, you are balls. Deep talking about this one,
• 3:36:58
  this is the modern day myth makers.
• 3:37:02
  It's a very funny. Sick, comedy Doctor Who Sat in
• 3:37:07
  history with tons of gags, a family, and lots of fun
• 3:37:11
  happening with them. Like it is with the Trojans in
• 3:37:13
  that appearing atmosphere which suddenly gives away some brutal
• 3:37:18
  violence and death in the last sort of altar.
• 3:37:22
  Fabulous, the myth makers is fabulous and so is surprised of
• 3:37:25
  Pompeii, but why? The production value for one,
• 3:37:29
  the money is absolutely there. You've got the the Italian
• 3:37:33
  Sunshine, the extras, the overseas filming the Exotic
• 3:37:37
  music to score in. This is yeah it's crazy.
• 3:37:44
  None of that kind of music they use.
• 3:37:47
  Other context is a bit troubling usually because they use it when
• 3:37:50
  it in those Hollywood movies where it's supposed to take
• 3:37:53
  place in a foreign country. Anyways, of England, right?
• 3:37:56
  East of England, sorry, but here it works but it's one of those
• 3:38:01
  times as well. Where marigolds operatic
• 3:38:03
  melodramatic approach? The Doctor Who is just perfect
• 3:38:06
  when the volcano goes up and the music Rises.
• 3:38:10
  I mean it's cinematic Doctor Who you could put it on the big
• 3:38:14
  screen. It sounds and it looks big, the
• 3:38:17
  sets of detail. The lighting is so atmospheric
• 3:38:21
  in this. Give that man an Oscar.
• 3:38:23
  The light is brilliant, the CGI, I think it's great.
• 3:38:26
  I think I was monsters. Look great, it's stunningly
• 3:38:28
  directed with Pace, weird visuals, lots of strange angles.
• 3:38:33
  It's full of visually, inventive and stylish camera work.
• 3:38:37
  They shoot the actors in post on an atmospheric ways.
• 3:38:40
  The look of this episode is one of the most expensive new,
• 3:38:44
  despite the fact that isn't in HD just looks Amazingly good
• 3:38:48
  again, making the horror count and it's the same trick they
• 3:38:53
  pull in Punjab is they get you close to a family and then do
• 3:38:57
  something utterly horrific to them.
• 3:38:59
  Coupled is there being sweet and funny as the dad Tracy child is
• 3:39:04
  like the British matriarch, and who doesn't recognize that it's
• 3:39:07
  Sylvia Noble in the past, all appearances.
• 3:39:10
  And Status, the two kids are there.
• 3:39:13
  One of them for full potential, the other one being exploited,
• 3:39:16
  they are genuine family unit. I utterly believe in that family
• 3:39:20
  unit. They feel established and they
• 3:39:23
  feel believable and because the doctor and Donna have
• 3:39:27
  relationships with both of them throughout the episode, you
• 3:39:30
  know, because they're so believable.
• 3:39:32
  They're the face of the victims of the Soviets.
• 3:39:36
  That's why we care at the end of the story.
• 3:39:38
  You can't really encapsulate all those people die.
• 3:39:42
  When the volcano goes up and the Smoke's rolling through.
• 3:39:45
  It's a incredibly potent visual but how can you possibly like
• 3:39:50
  capturing your head that that many people dying?
• 3:39:52
  You just can't feel it. But those people that we've had
• 3:39:55
  funny scenes with and got to like it really, really makes
• 3:39:59
  this point the last 10 minutes are For me as emotionally
• 3:40:05
  harrowing, as Doctor Who Comes, I think the scene where Donna
• 3:40:09
  puts her hands on the doctor's hands and pushes down the lever.
• 3:40:13
  That is one of the best Doctor, Who companion moments of all
• 3:40:16
  time. She refuses to let him take the
• 3:40:18
  burden of that herself. I know you don't like what's
• 3:40:21
  happening Kieran, but what she's doing is saying, I'm not gonna
• 3:40:24
  make this your responsibility. I'm gonna make it our
• 3:40:27
  responsibility because you're my friend and I love you.
• 3:40:29
  And that's beautiful and and it's all done silently.
• 3:40:32
  She says never mind does. And then she gives him a look
• 3:40:36
  and puts her hands on his. It's just gorgeous.
• 3:40:40
  Donna's horror and helplessness on the streets.
• 3:40:43
  All the ash in the air. She's trying to save that little
• 3:40:46
  kid. Like it's the horror of history
• 3:40:48
  and it's right there in our faces and the doctor's companion
• 3:40:51
  as played by a magnificent actress is selling the horror of
• 3:40:56
  what's going on. The strange, you hear the people
• 3:40:59
  screaming, you know, and Donna's tears back in.
• 3:41:03
  When she begs the doctor to do something good, I just don't see
• 3:41:07
  that reading. I just don't, I thought they'd
• 3:41:09
  been trapped in an impossible situation by the rules of the
• 3:41:12
  series whether you like those rules or not and he decides to
• 3:41:17
  just walk away which is a cow's way out and she's basically
• 3:41:21
  saying, don't be a fucking coward or right?
• 3:41:23
  This is what happened with your own people.
• 3:41:25
  Please go back and do the right thing.
• 3:41:29
  You think I've done enough? History is back in place and
• 3:41:32
  everyone dies. You understand, if I could go
• 3:42:04
  back and save them then I would but I can't.
• 3:42:08
  I can never go back. I can't I just can't
• 3:42:31
  And it's just her performance. It's the tears in our eyes, it's
• 3:42:40
  the rawness of her performance, I think.
• 3:42:44
  I recently complimented Jenna Coleman for the end of Kill the
• 3:42:49
  moon because there's a rawness in our performance.
• 3:42:51
  There this is better than that. Tate is a better actress and she
• 3:42:56
  just kills me with that scene. It, it's just astonishingly
• 3:43:00
  good. When you wanted to jump in
• 3:43:04
  there. If you can say, one family, if a
• 3:43:06
  doctor can save one family, this might be a problem with this.
• 3:43:08
  Why can't I say too? And if you can say to why not
• 3:43:12
  three? And I think it's just a big
• 3:43:13
  domino effect of. If he says one family, what's
• 3:43:17
  stopping him from saving everyone else.
• 3:43:18
  And I just don't, that's what breaks it for me because I
• 3:43:22
  suppose, because they won't miss.
• 3:43:23
  I mean, history won't miss one family, so you can kind of get
• 3:43:28
  away with it. You're not.
• 3:43:29
  Yeah, little people who are you to decide history except not one
• 3:43:39
  line except for when you can. And it's just like I think the
• 3:43:43
  issue for me is is not that it's just one family, I think it's
• 3:43:46
  it's because he shouldn't Make or let Donna get into that
• 3:43:51
  state. That's yes, it's not as well.
• 3:43:52
  After I am going to, you know, 100% if you want a example of
• 3:43:56
  why Catherine, Tate is a really good actor and why everyone that
• 3:44:00
  doubted, her ability to work is bullshit.
• 3:44:03
  That's the scene. I just think, at any point, the
• 3:44:07
  doctor could have changed his mind and he was literally gonna
• 3:44:10
  take off without he runs into the party and sets the controls,
• 3:44:14
  and you can hear the Tardis go in.
• 3:44:16
  He was gonna leave her behind what a prick.
• 3:44:19
  It decided that. Yeah, but that makes us Fraser
• 3:44:25
  keeps telling me people flawed and very interesting television
• 3:44:28
  when people don't behave as like a Polly, a nice as we like them
• 3:44:32
  to be. So, yeah, I know but it's kind
• 3:44:36
  of new ones and it's joking. Someone please think of the
• 3:44:41
  children know, just want. That is an example of how to
• 3:44:46
  treat a woman. Yeah.
• 3:44:48
  That's because you have done a noble.
• 3:44:50
  Was your moral compass, she was your own planets for them, you
• 3:44:55
  know. Oh my God, it's just glorious.
• 3:44:57
  And, you know, I'm massively over the top Queen and this is a
• 3:45:00
  massively over the top episode. So, just everything about this
• 3:45:03
  sings. I think it's one of the best of
• 3:45:05
  the Season. Yes, please.
• 3:45:06
  Let's keep it and Daniel do the right thing.
• 3:45:10
  Hear what you want to do, Daniel.
• 3:45:14
  Well, it's funny. We didn't mention this at all
• 3:45:18
  during this podcast but what's interesting throughout this,
• 3:45:20
  these whole, this whole batch of episodes is there is this
• 3:45:24
  prevailing theme or motif of choice?
• 3:45:26
  From the very beginning, you get.
• 3:45:29
  So the doctor and Donna in partners in crime going
• 3:45:31
  different, different directions at the beginning.
• 3:45:33
  And then at the end, you know, she chooses to go with him and
• 3:45:38
  she sees her car, she's like, that's the, my car, it's like
• 3:45:40
  Destiny. And then in Planet of the weed,
• 3:45:44
  we talked about the choice. That Solana refused to go with
• 3:45:47
  the doctor and sold him out and she paid for that with her life.
• 3:45:52
  And the fact that the humans shoes to look away, they know
• 3:45:55
  what's happening with you, but they choose not to pay any
• 3:45:58
  attention to it. The sontara who were conditioned
• 3:46:01
  to life of warfare. So they it's almost like they
• 3:46:04
  don't have a choice, they just they go, they go into battle to
• 3:46:08
  Die, the same with the doctors daughter, Jenny overcomes that
• 3:46:12
  that conditioning at the end. He dies for it.
• 3:46:16
  And that woman comes back to life.
• 3:46:17
  But yeah, we'll skip over that and and she says to tenant, she
• 3:46:23
  says, you know, we don't have a choice and he says, we always
• 3:46:25
  have a choice. And so, this, this, this episode
• 3:46:29
  is all about. That is all about the most
• 3:46:31
  terrible Choice as Evelina says, yeah.
• 3:46:35
  I rewatched this story on its own away from all the others
• 3:46:38
  just to see if it would work as Standalone.
• 3:46:40
  And yeah, I cried I think the thing that we've talked about it
• 3:46:48
  before it's very funny and until all of a sudden it's not funny
• 3:46:53
  anymore. So we talked about the Joe
• 3:46:57
  mentioned in the myth makers, for me, it's the Romans because
• 3:46:59
  they directly quote that in the story they mentioned the Romans
• 3:47:02
  that that fire had nothing to do with me.
• 3:47:04
  Well and the difference is that Romans has four episodes to do
• 3:47:11
  that. This has 45 minutes so it's a
• 3:47:14
  very tricky. All it has to do and and yeah
• 3:47:17
  we've talked about the comedy so it's very cheeky, it's very
• 3:47:20
  jokey, very postmodern that the keiki it's family is basically a
• 3:47:24
  sitcom. So you know the The Lovable
• 3:47:26
  father the nagging wife the layer outside and quintus get
• 3:47:31
  off. Yeah just yes positions like in
• 3:47:36
  Mary Poppins where they've got any Old Link.
• 3:47:41
  Um and the doctor and Donna kind of you know wisecracking around
• 3:47:45
  Pompeii all those jokes about Latin being Miss, heard as well
• 3:47:49
  and all your Celtic. There's lovely and you know,
• 3:47:53
  rtd's love of the Asterix books. So we've mentioned Lucius Stone,
• 3:47:58
  right arm and the doctor with water pistol.
• 3:48:03
  Anyway, on the other hand, this is the story.
• 3:48:05
  Yeah. Where the doctrine, Donna kill,
• 3:48:07
  20,000 people, and they they've exaggerated that figure.
• 3:48:10
  I think I looked it up. It is about It was, I mean,
• 3:48:13
  overall, about 16,000 people died, but anyway, it's 20 sounds
• 3:48:17
  better. It's nice when he's a nice even
• 3:48:19
  though. Yeah, I mean, Daniel history,
• 3:48:21
  rolled on. Alright, without don't forget
• 3:48:25
  the people in here and she has that line.
• 3:48:29
  Don't, don't go to the beaches, go to the hills.
• 3:48:31
  Yeah. Because apparent, there is this
• 3:48:34
  theory that if people had gone to the hills, they would, they
• 3:48:36
  wouldn't have been caught in the pirate classic flow that sort of
• 3:48:40
  went all the way down to the beaches.
• 3:48:42
  Um anyway so it I it's a real disaster that really happened on
• 3:48:48
  an enormous scale and it did get me thinking how do you represent
• 3:48:52
  a historical disaster on this scale on television and how do
• 3:48:56
  you do it in a responsible way? In a doctor whose story where
• 3:49:01
  levity and tragedy are often sitting side by side, you know
• 3:49:04
  in the Target novel, they do it in a single sentence which I
• 3:49:09
  won't spoil but go and read that it's one line and he's so
• 3:49:13
  impactful. In the episode, they do it in
• 3:49:18
  two ways. For me, it's a doctor who way.
• 3:49:20
  First of all, because what I noticed in this series as well
• 3:49:25
  is there's very little of the doctor as the lonely God, which
• 3:49:29
  was in his very first story and it was very prevalent in series
• 3:49:33
  3 and kind of ends with him kind of ascending into godhood in
• 3:49:37
  last of the time Lords and in Voyage of the Damned.
• 3:49:40
  And here, there's a lot less of that except very deliberately.
• 3:49:45
  I think in the Pompeii episode which ends with a literal deus,
• 3:49:50
  ex machina, with the doctor framed in the Tardis, like a god
• 3:49:53
  with the Temple of Light basically shining out from
• 3:49:56
  behind him. And the Hand kind of held out in
• 3:49:59
  benevolence, as he says, come with me and that for me, is an
• 3:50:03
  absolutely sort of defining image of Doctor Who, where the
• 3:50:06
  doctor is this protector. He's a savior staring right at
• 3:50:10
  the audience, and inviting them to join him in the safety, of of
• 3:50:14
  the TARDIS. And even though the doctor and
• 3:50:18
  Donna kind of commemorated as these benevolent household Gods
• 3:50:22
  at the end, the choice, they make together at the climax is
• 3:50:26
  basically a very human choice because it's picking the lesser
• 3:50:29
  of two evils. It's Pompeii all the world.
• 3:50:32
  And as Joe said, you know, putting putting our hand on his
• 3:50:37
  so that they make the choice together.
• 3:50:39
  Um yeah. The the concept of fixed events
• 3:50:42
  in time as I said is basically, yeah, the new series answer to
• 3:50:46
  the Aztecs On a symbolic level. It kind of restricts the the
• 3:50:51
  doctor's power as well. Because in series 3, he kind of
• 3:50:56
  abuses that power with the family of blood and Deals out
• 3:50:59
  punishment. And the master even says at the
• 3:51:03
  end of last of the time Lords are I'm a timelord I have the
• 3:51:06
  right to change history and here, it's basically a way of
• 3:51:10
  subjecting him to something that's bigger than himself as
• 3:51:14
  sort of higher order of laws, where he says to Donna.
• 3:51:16
  Every waking second. I can see what was, what could
• 3:51:20
  be. What cannot?
• 3:51:21
  What must not. It's the burden of a time.
• 3:51:24
  Lord. And I am the only one left and
• 3:51:25
  that's why she shares that burden with him at the end.
• 3:51:29
  And he kind of rejects that in the waters of Mars, where he, he
• 3:51:33
  rejects the laws of time and the consequences of that as well,
• 3:51:36
  because he has to make that choice.
• 3:51:40
  Um, and it shows how sort of precarious that balance of
• 3:51:44
  power, is, it's so delicate. It's so painful.
• 3:51:46
  It's, it's all about Duty. And, and it's so difficult to
• 3:51:51
  uphold. And, and Donna, is the one who
• 3:51:55
  has to force him to see, the not just the big picture, but it's
• 3:52:00
  made up of people. These were people, and you just
• 3:52:03
  need to say someone, I think the emotion that Catherine Tate
• 3:52:08
  shows in those final scenes is just it's perfectly judged and
• 3:52:12
  that's the. That's the second bit is the
• 3:52:14
  human, the human way, it shows it and so I mean, we've talked
• 3:52:19
  about Catherine Taylor a lot and it would be Unthinkable without
• 3:52:23
  her, but I Focus on the keekwulee family a little bit
• 3:52:27
  because I think they as we've said, they are the secret
• 3:52:30
  weapon. They are the face of the victims
• 3:52:32
  of Pompeii and their characters kind of deepen, as The Story
• 3:52:37
  Goes On, you see quintus, he's so immature.
• 3:52:39
  At the beginning, did someone mention Vestal virgins?
• 3:52:43
  And then he, you know, he's jealous of his sister because
• 3:52:47
  she's promised to The Sisterhood and, and then he sort of grows
• 3:52:52
  more and more concerned about how how her psychic abilities
• 3:52:55
  are being exploited and how it's making us sick.
• 3:52:58
  And then he gets to be the hero he tags along with the doctor.
• 3:53:01
  He becomes the doctor's companion for a bit where, you
• 3:53:04
  know, they fight off the power of our win, the villa, and, and
• 3:53:07
  then he becomes a doctor himself at the end and yeah, you really
• 3:53:11
  care about this family and no more so than than Cut pieces
• 3:53:18
  Capaldi who I think is yeah the MVP of this episode apart from
• 3:53:23
  Catherine Tate. He so yes he's The Future Doctor
• 3:53:26
  Who we see in who inspires the doctor to become this
• 3:53:32
  rule-breaking master of time in the girl who died and all that.
• 3:53:35
  But yeah he sort of he has all the comedy at the beginning
• 3:53:40
  where he's interacting with you know the I love that bit with um
• 3:53:43
  the slave rhombus where he says you know get me some ants in
• 3:53:47
  honey there's a good lad. Oh and maybe a Dormouse and you
• 3:53:50
  can just see the slave and it's that human element in there.
• 3:53:58
  But it's just that at the end where they Overlook the the
• 3:54:03
  devastation of Pompeii and he of course, it's kind of, it's all,
• 3:54:08
  it's very kind of predictably set up for him to coin the team,
• 3:54:12
  the term volcano Um, but then his voice breaks and he goes, oh
• 3:54:18
  those people. And that's the moment where, you
• 3:54:21
  know, he they're crying and I'm crying.
• 3:54:24
  And you have that tiny gesture of quintus and Evelina holding
• 3:54:28
  hands at the end. I mean, it's so moving if that's
• 3:54:31
  melodrama, then it's, it's melodrama of the highest caliber
• 3:54:36
  really for me and even, you know, the way they show the
• 3:54:41
  devastation. It's, it's just these extras
• 3:54:44
  that in that street running back and forth with the ash drifting
• 3:54:46
  down and the Sun blotted out, they don't kind of over-egg it
• 3:54:50
  too much. Is just that that set or that.
• 3:54:53
  Um yeah that street. And they have I don't know if
• 3:54:58
  anyone noticed the Cockney store holder at the beginning.
• 3:55:00
  Yes, you know where he lovely jobly. 15 sister 30.
• 3:55:06
  Sold it, he some Phil Collins who was in um CBBC stupid which
• 3:55:15
  so that's the new that's where I knew him from.
• 3:55:17
  Oh, it's King's stupid. And that's that's how Bleak this
• 3:55:21
  episode is. They kill you.
• 3:55:27
  Um, and so finally, my final reason and we've mentioned it
• 3:55:32
  before, but I just want to give it some more love is, is that
• 3:55:35
  scene in The Villa, with Lucius dexterous and Evelina bombard,
• 3:55:41
  the doctor and Donna, with all these prophecies, it's one of
• 3:55:44
  the spookiest scenes in this series.
• 3:55:47
  I mean, Phil Davis as Lucius. He's just brilliant.
• 3:55:51
  He knows exactly just like Sarah Lancashire in partners in crime.
• 3:55:55
  He knows exactly what kind of TV program he's in.
• 3:55:59
  And he plays it with all that, sneering gravitas, you know, the
• 3:56:02
  Prophecies of women are limited and dull.
• 3:56:04
  Only the men folk have the capacity for True perception.
• 3:56:07
  Is that your opinion? As a doctor, that's your name.
• 3:56:21
  Is that? Strangers of images.
• 3:56:44
  Your home is lost in fire, is it not?
• 3:56:47
  That's what they do. And you daughter of London.
• 3:56:52
  How did you know that? This gift of Pompeii.
• 3:56:55
  Every single Oracle tells the truth doctor.
• 3:57:01
  She is returning and you daughter of London.
• 3:57:09
  There is something on your back. In the Cascade of Medusa
• 3:57:23
  herself, you are a lot. Of time.
• 3:57:33
  And he, the way comes into that room with the trumpet Fanfare
• 3:57:36
  behind him, dog. I mean, if I walked into rooms
• 3:57:41
  like that, like love, love an introduction like that.
• 3:57:44
  But yeah, the intensity of that scene is just unbelievable that
• 3:57:48
  the ground starts to shake and the camera goes all.
• 3:57:51
  This keeps killing doesn't it for out there and you got that
• 3:57:56
  Maori Gold music going the internet, like a pressure
• 3:58:01
  cooker, you know? And of course So yeah, you get
• 3:58:09
  the power. You feel the power of the
• 3:58:11
  volcano and the the sort of that they're like they're trapping
• 3:58:15
  them with their words. I mean, I I love that scene so
• 3:58:18
  much is Brilliant. Is it the best ever?
• 3:58:21
  Daniel? Is it the best ever point in
• 3:58:23
  forward seen? Because, you know, she is
• 3:58:26
  returning. There's something on your back.
• 3:58:28
  It's all paid off. They give it.
• 3:58:30
  Yeah, they give it all in that in that scene.
• 3:58:32
  Yeah, really. Yeah.
• 3:58:33
  So, yeah. This is going through.
• 3:58:36
  I think this is gold and all to to the series going forward.
• 3:58:41
  So yeah. Keep I think you've convinced me
• 3:58:44
  Daniel I think more on my change my opinions.
• 3:58:46
  But well it's good. so, so what's the last one?
• 3:58:58
  Isn't it was the last one I was. Getting the biggest to be at
• 3:59:04
  school. All five of went through.
• 3:59:09
  Yes. Oh, there was attention
• 3:59:13
  including the doctor's daughter. All five went through around two
• 3:59:18
  or we ready for round two. Oh, yes.
• 3:59:28
  Go threat Jewel. Crank up the camp music.
• 3:59:31
  Hey, everyone, singing. I feel like it should be that
• 3:59:34
  music for this. Bit, what?
• 3:59:35
  Yeah. Find it.
• 3:59:36
  Yeah. You you have whatever you want
• 3:59:39
  to add and we will head into where we take the winners.
• 3:59:44
  Put them Head to Head, pick. Whichever ones you fear it, and
• 3:59:48
  that goes through the next round of round two.
• 3:59:53
  Eventually we'll get there, we'll get the winner.
• 3:59:55
  Okay, so one last live from evelyna.
• 3:59:59
  Just, before we made this boat Choice the future.
• 4:00:02
  It's changing. So, here we go.
• 4:00:13
  So I have and there's no randomized at this week.
• 4:00:15
  We are Gonna be. like who's the winner of the first story is
• 4:00:22
  going to partner viewed planet of the you Daniel.
• 4:00:44
  The sun tower, and strategy, and the boys in the sky.
• 4:00:47
  And Because I'm gonna pick that. Type naked, Martha.
• 4:00:57
  Lee. This is for you.
• 4:00:59
  What naked? Mothman, Ross, that's it.
• 4:01:02
  Oh yes, no. Actually I've changed my mind.
• 4:01:06
  What you just said, the word Ross know.
• 4:01:11
  Oh yes, that's right, die, Mr. How can I had a giant?
• 4:01:23
  Right. So Sometimes.
• 4:01:25
  Good. Next up we have got then there's
• 4:01:29
  some crane against the doctor's daughter.
• 4:01:33
  You fuck is better not pick the doctor's daughter for this
• 4:01:36
  doctor's daughter. Are you bitch?
• 4:01:38
  Right, let's be serious on your place partners in crime.
• 4:01:46
  Yeah. Oh there was no way it was gonna
• 4:01:49
  win Friday so the fact it got to round two is a miracle.
• 4:01:52
  It could have had another sleep, no more.
• 4:02:03
  And right, so the fires for pump here.
• 4:02:06
  Now it's gonna face off against the Sun and two-parter.
• 4:02:09
  Oh, sunshine favors buyers at Pompeii by a mile.
• 4:02:14
  Yeah, fires of Pompeii. I love the two Santos, but fires
• 4:02:20
  upon pay. This one because the music of
• 4:02:31
  that is in both episodes, too. I think I need to be a bit
• 4:02:36
  objective here and I think, and you need to see on the balance
• 4:02:39
  of abilities, the story that is probably the best.
• 4:02:43
  Oh Ross, it was found. His name was a great handful.
• 4:02:54
  40, his name was wrong, I get back in your gunk. so, Grand
• 4:03:04
  Final, the fall series 4A is between, oh, isn't crying.
• 4:03:08
  No. And the fires of Pompeii
• 4:03:10
  partners in crime. He's Ah, I think I'm going to go
• 4:03:20
  with partners in crime as well. Yes.
• 4:03:28
  Sure. It's like a stalemate here, such
• 4:03:36
  great episodes. Both of them are huge heart or
• 4:03:40
  break my heart. No man may enter the temporary
• 4:03:47
  civil. Well that's right.
• 4:03:49
  Just ask girls. With a water pistol.
• 4:03:56
  Our bloody love you. What YouTube is so hard, I will
• 4:04:07
  create a new prophecy and choose the fires of Pompeii.
• 4:04:12
  I want to buy that ending. Kills me, but we call it a style
• 4:04:19
  mate. Oh, I know why, because I know
• 4:04:27
  what's gonna win them. You know, okay, well, I shall
• 4:04:31
  choose. Fires of Pompeii, please.
• 4:04:34
  Advise you. Is it possible?
• 4:04:38
  It is a tie. a tie between partners and crime and the fires
• 4:04:42
  of Pompeii now ordinarily, what was happening here as we've got
• 4:04:46
  the deadlock and I would say Story that got the most votes.
• 4:04:51
  Keep it in the first round. Wins.
• 4:04:55
  However, we are getting something really important.
• 4:04:59
  We're missing someone. So he can break out deadlock in
• 4:05:09
  the greatest traditions. Of us.
• 4:05:23
  Gonna have the casting vote between partners and the fires
• 4:05:29
  of Pompeii to see which one wins.
• 4:05:31
  Everyone's got a work on him between now and then, all right,
• 4:05:34
  get him anything, Daniel anything.
• 4:05:38
  That leads record a little bit on the end.
• 4:05:39
  He got about me. It.
• 4:05:52
  Well I'll show you what I could do.
• 4:05:53
  Actually praised, there is I could actually ask him to do
• 4:05:55
  what Kieran just said, and then I'll put the little clip at the
• 4:05:58
  end of him, choosing we'll never know until the next episode but
• 4:06:02
  or when it goes out, Or I'll send you all the clip.
• 4:06:07
  Oh, but I love ending on a cliffhanger.
• 4:06:09
  That's a wonderful. Again, the words of Russell T
• 4:06:14
  Davis, two be continued. Next time.
• 4:06:32
  Hello, I'm fam. Sadly, I have not been able to
• 4:06:35
  join Joe, Frazier, Daniel. And for this episode, I started
• 4:06:39
  a new job this week, and, to be honest, I don't trust the new
• 4:06:43
  boss one bit anyway, long story short, a done, some
• 4:06:47
  investigation. And before a new, what was
• 4:06:49
  happening? I now find myself.
• 4:06:51
  Tight turn off his chair. Thankfully, I'm tall enough to
• 4:06:54
  be able to kick the phone off the desk and press record with
• 4:06:57
  my toe tip to bring you this judgment.
• 4:06:59
  Well, the time is come after 50 hours of discussion.
• 4:07:03
  We have a tiebreak The deadlock can only be broken by words of
• 4:07:07
  wisdom. Words of Power words of wisdom
• 4:07:10
  Words of Power. Sadly, I possess neither.
• 4:07:14
  So, you just have to say over my half-baked thoughts instead.
• 4:07:17
  So then partners in crime, versus the fires of up Pompeii,
• 4:07:21
  we have two very different flavors of Doctor Who here which
• 4:07:25
  is genuinely made this decision, very tough.
• 4:07:27
  Indeed, on one hand we have partners in crime.
• 4:07:30
  A fun knock about silly in the right way adventure with some
• 4:07:34
  great lines and a wonderfully understated.
• 4:07:36
  Lee hammy performance from Sarah Lancashire.
• 4:07:40
  As a boys of no 8, she's pitched at performance at just the
• 4:07:43
  correct level for the story. Heading the right balance of
• 4:07:46
  barely contained my levels and Camp silliness.
• 4:07:50
  Sure. The CGI is dated somewhat but
• 4:07:52
  keyamour, look at the little with the lady who was We get
• 4:07:56
  reintroduced to Dawn on Noble who instantly dishes out one in
• 4:07:59
  the other tractors and their enemy bright.
• 4:08:02
  We have a confident soft to take on the character with moments of
• 4:08:06
  genuine more than their parents and she's a perfect foil for
• 4:08:11
  tennis doctor, a series of there should be a lightning Breezy and
• 4:08:16
  this fulfills the remix and then some Fires of Pompeii.
• 4:08:20
  However, is the outside of the coin.
• 4:08:21
  Perhaps the best example of a historical in the David Tennant
• 4:08:25
  era. There are waiting decisions to
• 4:08:27
  be made with the doctor having to balance up the lives of all
• 4:08:30
  against the lives of many, and Katherine takes finest moment in
• 4:08:33
  the series with our tearful to the doctor to save just one
• 4:08:37
  person. Both of them pitch this
• 4:08:40
  perfectly and it provides an earned emotional wall at the end
• 4:08:43
  of the story. The CGI.
• 4:08:45
  Hasn't dated one better. It still looks impressive.
• 4:08:47
  Especially considering that this is knocking on for 20.
• 4:08:51
  Yes, 20 years old, there's some very enjoyable performance is
• 4:08:56
  from the guests here too, notably a certain future time,
• 4:08:59
  lord, and mutate subtle performance from a future
• 4:09:04
  compliance, the camera Warfare episodes have some lovely bits
• 4:09:09
  of four shot during two. The doctor wrestling with the
• 4:09:11
  decision, to throw the lever, to kick off, the tragic events of
• 4:09:14
  Bombay calling forwards or indeed by Amy and all that to
• 4:09:19
  the moment and Day of the Doctor and equally poignant.
• 4:09:22
  Donna's almost throwing of his late.
• 4:09:25
  You were never there when describing her malays falling
• 4:09:28
  her last adventure with the doctor which pets home, giving
• 4:09:31
  her ending in the series. As fine margins.
• 4:09:34
  But I have decided I have to go with the story that screams
• 4:09:38
  adventure with a capital, A, with strong visuals, and a great
• 4:09:41
  performance from the two leads. So by whisker the household
• 4:09:45
  gods, have decreed that the fires of Pompeii shall be our
• 4:09:49
  series 4A champion. This is no false prophecy.
• 4:09:57
  And next time, my God, unicorn on the wall silence and the
• 4:10:01
  library Forest of the Dead midnight.
• 4:10:03
  Turn left the stolen enough. I can't handle it.
• 4:10:05
  Oh, we're gonna do it. Seven hours strictly.
• 4:10:10
  Yeah. There's five of us.
• 4:10:11
  Next time. You better have a few more hours
• 4:10:13
  for that one. Definitely.
• 4:10:16
  Definitely. Go on and finishes off.
• 4:10:22
  Right. That's me last night. so we will
• 4:10:30
  wrap things up there then so gentlemen, if you would just
• 4:10:32
  like to tell our lovely listeners at home, where they
• 4:10:35
  can find you, you know, on podcast land or social media's
• 4:10:39
  Karen. Follow me on blue sky or on
• 4:10:43
  Instagram and at left-handed, Dalek.
• 4:10:47
  Yeah, that's where you can find me.
• 4:10:48
  Yeah, I was gonna break your podcast in Virginia, and then
• 4:10:51
  someone else brought out an episode before me, it's too
• 4:10:55
  late. Well, I know because I got 15
• 4:10:58
  book clubs in the bank. That's why.
• 4:11:00
  It's coming soon? Yeah third degree.
• 4:11:04
  Hamster book club? Oh I've heard that on the
• 4:11:07
  patreon. Yeah oh yeah.
• 4:11:09
  What's on the Patriots? Get on it.
• 4:11:17
  Could I set that up any better for you, you very much.
• 4:11:19
  I wear soon to do English way of death as well.
• 4:11:24
  Right. Anyhow, Daniel, where can I find
• 4:11:26
  you? You can find me on what remains
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  of Luke rattikin Twitter at Daniel underscore rawnsley.
• 4:11:36
  That's our a w. N s, l, e, y, or you could just
• 4:11:41
  listen to Martha and go over to Blue Sky and I'm on there as
• 4:11:44
  well. And speaking of books, I wrote a
• 4:11:48
  Target novelization of new Earth.
• 4:11:51
  The Doctor Who story loved only by me and Mr. Daniel Knight and
• 4:11:56
  you can hear it in audio format under the title new Earth.
• 4:12:01
  A doctor who audio Adventure. It's been on a bit of a Hiatus
• 4:12:05
  for some personal stuff but I will be back pretty soon.
• 4:12:09
  So by the time this goes out they'll probably be another
• 4:12:12
  episode out. So look out for that.
• 4:12:14
  Yeah I mean have you heard his David and all this coal?
• 4:12:17
  It's just yes there will be more David.
• 4:12:21
  Tennant Impressions, David attendee's, Yoda, 30 fuzzy bear.
• 4:12:27
  Hate Harper was amazing. God, dude.
• 4:12:30
  One more time, lovely energy, right?
• 4:12:32
  You just come in like that and we'll see up and just go more
• 4:12:37
  energy, more energy, confidential.
• 4:12:39
  I know I wanted to do a commentary but ask where I am.
• 4:12:45
  It's like I'm watching Tommy Cooper and true.
• 4:12:50
  I don't have anything you would like our listeners at home to
• 4:12:53
  know about or plug or anything like that.
• 4:12:56
  Adrian what? I've already done that.
• 4:13:01
  Like again, oh well, it's a fabulous community of lovely
• 4:13:04
  people. You get early episodes,
• 4:13:06
  exclusive extra episodes and well mostly for the people,
• 4:13:11
  though, it's a lovely community of people there.
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  Yeah. I think we're all on, its
• 4:13:16
  definitely on it. That's great.
• 4:13:18
  But yes, head over to have a blunt pen knife on patreon and
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  come and join the fun. I'm really bad.
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  It's not join us. Eon, all the socials as well on
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  his. Oh, yes, Doctor Who 44 just put
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  in Docker anywhere, and you'll see me.
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  Wonderful loss. We are approaching, we've hit
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  the 900, hubs, for blood Panda. I've ever seen now we're
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  approaching the Big 10 and 122 of you.
• 4:13:55
  I think 1,000 spectacular. So watch this space.
• 4:14:02
  It's like the stone enough all over again.
• 4:14:04
  He's going to be the rows going. Oh, I was here first.
• 4:14:08
  Bloody forgotten about the word. Bukaki who was the first.
• 4:14:13
  I can't remember. It was Joliet stuff.
• 4:14:17
  Well, right back at you never came back.
• 4:14:19
  Yeah. it was a one and done, but There we go.
• 4:14:27
  Then thank you very much, gentlemen, for your time.
• 4:14:29
  It's been amazing discussing the first part of series 4 with his
• 4:14:33
  when we'll come back for Part B, we will have the answer to Which
• 4:14:38
  one of those stories one will talk about the other five will
• 4:14:42
  find will Chrome our overall Champion for the series.
• 4:14:47
  Too big continue. Sorry, I was a bit lairy tonight
• 4:16:08
  when I oh it's what we expect. Yeah, yeah no.
• 4:16:13
  It's hot and parcel of the formula now.
• 4:16:14
  I mean, I'm actually let down your own Karen talk but I
• 4:16:18
  attacked Fraser overall, of course.
• 4:16:23
  I'm not too upset with us all the ages comments.
• 4:16:26
  Yeah. Oh wow, never mind more twists.
• 4:16:30
  To heavy is like a Doobie, losing a few people.
• 4:16:33
  I won't pull up early and no, they've all got fixed skins
• 4:16:39
  anyway. They've all been on this
• 4:16:41
  insulting everyone else, but it's so new.
• 4:16:45
  Well, that's all, you know, come on now.