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☀️ SUMMER SERIES: A Conversation with Dan Ryan · No Dribble

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Speaker 1: You're listening to a DM podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hey, dribblers.
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Speaker 3: So this is pretending because we're not really here where
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Speaker 3: we're having a little bit of a break at the moment.
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Speaker 3: But we have recorded a summer series that we're very
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Speaker 3: excited about.
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Speaker 1: Cocktail. Please, can you rub some oil on my back?
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Speaker 1: Get the bullboard to do that.
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Speaker 3: So those are all orders for me to go and fulfill.
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Speaker 3: By the way, so I should jump off this mic
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Speaker 3: and go and look after the women. But we've got
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Speaker 3: an amazing lineup of guests and each week we talk
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Speaker 3: to a different guest. We're very excited, people who you
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Speaker 3: will know from netball and they've come in and had
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Speaker 3: just some really fabulous fun chats with us.
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Speaker 2: So this is our summer series. We hope you enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy guys, Happy summer.
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Speaker 3: Good bye, hello and welcome to the No Dribble Summer Series.
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Speaker 2: I am Carolyn Swindell.
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Speaker 3: I'm enjoyed studio as always by the fine and the fair.
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Speaker 3: Oh is that me or oh me capcocks wool and
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Speaker 3: up on the far North Coast.
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Speaker 4: I am neither fine fair laur in studio, So it's
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Speaker 4: lizellis yes.
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Speaker 3: And we again have a very very special guest today,
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Speaker 3: and Catherine has the gimp mask on, she is blindfolded.
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Speaker 3: She does not know who this is. So Catherine, let
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Speaker 3: us start the guesting process. And you know, come on,
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Speaker 3: you know it's taken you a while over recent weeks.
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Speaker 1: So star signs were never going to do it for me.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well, our guest today is a Gemini.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's another one of me. Yeah, okay, which so
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Speaker 1: it's another split personality. God not guessing it on that
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Speaker 1: basis figuring. Okay, our guest today is one hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy five centimeters tall mid quarter. No, our guests today
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Speaker 1: are played goal attack or goal shooter. Goal shooter at
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Speaker 1: one seventy five. This must be in the olden days.
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Speaker 2: Must be very threatening to you.
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Speaker 1: I guess hearing that.
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Speaker 3: Hey, but sometimes even the well that's tall to me.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, so our special guest debuted for Australia at
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Speaker 3: the age of eighteen.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is completely thrown me. People don't
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Speaker 1: do that anymore, unless again, it was back in the
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Speaker 1: olden days.
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Speaker 3: Well, our special guest was born in the year that
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Speaker 3: I was in year ten, So yeah, we're talking about
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Speaker 3: the olden days now.
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Speaker 1: Nothing, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Our special guest has been a player, a coach, a
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Speaker 3: sports journalist, a broadcaster.
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Speaker 2: You name it. But they're only young, well young compared
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Speaker 2: to something.
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Speaker 1: This is a dude, it's a guy. Or you've thrown
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Speaker 1: me a curveball. That's very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe this is the first man we've had on
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Speaker 3: the Not Dribble podcast.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, he must be good if he's been allowed
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Speaker 1: on the show.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it is someone who's drink of choice would be
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Speaker 3: a glass.
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Speaker 1: Of Chiraz sophisticated. I think I know who this might be.
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you some more stuff before you make
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Speaker 3: your guess. Okay, graduate in communications and journalists on r
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Speaker 3: MIT and an international coach as well as the coach
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Speaker 3: of one of our very successful some super netball team
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Speaker 3: since twenty twenty one, having been on the coaching staff
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Speaker 3: of another son called super netball team before heading overseas.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know.
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Speaker 3: I do want to tell you that our special guest
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Speaker 3: was born in Little River because that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: From the Little River band, I would have thought, where
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Speaker 2: is Little River in Victoria? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Okay, now I know who it is. Who is it?
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Speaker 1: This particular player modeled their shot on the great Shiral
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Speaker 1: McMahon and he was the spit as a player.
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Speaker 2: It's Dan, right, it is Dan Ryan.
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Speaker 5: Well, Dan, thank you guys for having me. What an honor,
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Speaker 5: What an honor.
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Speaker 1: This is a big deal. You're the first boy that's
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Speaker 1: been allowed on the show, Dan Ryan, So.
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Speaker 5: Don't make it out, oh you'll be the last boy nipples.
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Speaker 5: All about inclusion, isn't it? World ie?
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Speaker 3: Guys, Well, Liza and I had to look at the
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Speaker 3: Constitution Dribble podcast to see that when we're actually allowed.
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Speaker 2: So, but your special dispensation.
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Speaker 1: How's stuff in the West going? Believe you've just had
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Speaker 1: a training session, You've got the majority of your players back.
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Speaker 1: How's preseason been?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been good. It's been a bit of a
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Speaker 5: slow burn since November and just building the players back
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Speaker 5: into the program and taking it nice and easy this
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Speaker 5: side of Christmas and then you know, really looking forward
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Speaker 5: to what next year brings with a really similar squad.
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Speaker 5: So life is good over here in Wa, Dan.
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Speaker 1: How do you navigate the fact that you have internationals.
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Speaker 1: You've got Jamaicans, You've got players that were part of
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Speaker 1: the England series, You've obviously got the Aussie diamonds, players
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Speaker 1: that are away, they're all over the shop. So how
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Speaker 1: does that work then in when people come back to training,
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Speaker 1: because I'd imagine they've got to have some rest.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and I think it's something we manage as
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Speaker 5: a club really well to make sure that when they
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Speaker 5: do come back into our environment they're good to go.
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Speaker 5: And you know a lot of the players will have
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Speaker 5: and you'll leave off the back of an international series
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Speaker 5: and that type of thing. And I think also how
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Speaker 5: we frame the pre season period. It's pretty light in
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Speaker 5: terms of cognitive load and team elements this side of Christmas,
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Speaker 5: and then when we get into January and probably more
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Speaker 5: so February, when the full team is back together, we
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Speaker 5: really start to sharpen the focus on Round one and
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Speaker 5: the season the head. So it's a bit of an
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Speaker 5: incremental type of process we use to get them focused
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Speaker 5: because it is really bloody tough to be on top
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Speaker 5: of your game and fully motivated for twelve months of
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Speaker 5: the year. So you've got to let people live and
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Speaker 5: have their escapes and you know that's all of us included,
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Speaker 5: and making sure that when we do front up together
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Speaker 5: where we're in a great space as a team.
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Speaker 2: Can you explain to me what you mean by a
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Speaker 2: lighter cognitive load. What does that look like for the players?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think probably you know, the easiest way to
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Speaker 5: describe it. We'll just be keeping things pretty simple in
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Speaker 5: the training environment and not giving them too much stuff
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Speaker 5: where they have to think and make decisions and that
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Speaker 5: type of stuff. It's really about just getting the skills back,
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Speaker 5: and I really try and focus on the first eight
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Speaker 5: weeks of the program being about the individual athletes. All
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Speaker 5: they're worried about is getting themselves right and working on
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Speaker 5: the little crafts of their game that they need to
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Speaker 5: and then when we come back as a team, say
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Speaker 5: January February, it becomes much more around the team and
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Speaker 5: what we want to do from a game plan perspective
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Speaker 5: and those types of things, because you know, you've got
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Speaker 5: to remember, whilst you're trying to coach a team, you've
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Speaker 5: got a lot of individuals in there that need lots
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Speaker 5: of different attention and areas to focus on as well.
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Speaker 5: So we try and tick all those boxes through pre season.
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Speaker 4: So Dan, you know, when you finish a season like
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Speaker 4: the last season and you don't you're there or thereabouts,
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Speaker 4: but you don't quite crack it through to the Grand Final.
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Speaker 4: But when you look back at the points you all
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Speaker 4: finished on like you the Vixens, your Thunderbelts, you're all
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Speaker 4: pretty even. Where do you see the improvements coming in
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Speaker 4: your team? Given that you've had the same team.
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Speaker 5: Now for a little while.
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Speaker 4: Where are the improvements?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a great question, and I think
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Speaker 5: I probably got to the end of the season just
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Speaker 5: gone with a real level of contentment of how close
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Speaker 5: we got and how far we got with we had
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Speaker 5: six changes to a team of ten, which is massive,
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Speaker 5: and we had to redevelop relationships, rebuild a culture, create
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Speaker 5: a game plan that brought out the best in everybody.
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Speaker 5: And I think the fact that we got technically equal
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Speaker 5: first with the Victens and Thunderbirds on points, we were
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Speaker 5: one win away from winning the minor premiership, and we
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Speaker 5: were two goals away from finishing in the top two
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Speaker 5: at the end of the home and away season. So
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Speaker 5: it's incremental gains and really small margins. And I think
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Speaker 5: probably the biggest thing for me with this new group
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Speaker 5: was we were learning about each other every single week,
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Speaker 5: every single game. So I got to the end of
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Speaker 5: the preliminary final where perhaps in that third quarter when
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Speaker 5: the real pressure was on, and we struggled. We just
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Speaker 5: hadn't quite as a team developed the hardened maturity we
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Speaker 5: need to handle that real intense pressure to win a
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Speaker 5: competition like some court. But that was the moment where
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Speaker 5: you learn, so I think it then really sharpens your
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Speaker 5: focus in those key parts of your game plan, the
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Speaker 5: key developments of the individuals, but also the journey the
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Speaker 5: team went on to go, hey, we're actually good enough
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Speaker 5: to win this competition, but this is what we need
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Speaker 5: to shift to get there. So as disappointing as it was,
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Speaker 5: it just makes the road clear a little bit clearer.
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Speaker 4: I think, Dan, I feel like to win by the
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Speaker 4: time we get to final. Most teams are pretty even physically,
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Speaker 4: and you win or lose in some corps Super and
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Speaker 4: netboron the finals with what's above your shoulders, don't you absolutely?
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Speaker 5: I think if you look across the board, we're at
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Speaker 5: the best players in the world playing in our league.
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Speaker 5: Everyone is good at what they do. They're all very skillful,
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Speaker 5: they're all incredibly fit, incredibly talented. My biggest philosophy is
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Speaker 5: talent gets you so far. The best teams win, and
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Speaker 5: a lot of it. The best teams are the ones
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Speaker 5: that have the mental resolve and the aptitude to handle
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Speaker 5: any situation, any circumstance, that know how to step up
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Speaker 5: in the big moment, that know how to still find
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Speaker 5: a way to win when they're not playing their best
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Speaker 5: or they're being challenged, and some of those skills and
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Speaker 5: attributes mentally, I think take a lot longer to develop
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Speaker 5: over time than the physical skills of the game that
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Speaker 5: we all have. So we really pay a lot of
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Speaker 5: attention to the mental skills, and I think it's the
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Speaker 5: things that separates good teams from great teams, and you've
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Speaker 5: got to invest time and effort in building that and
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Speaker 5: also I think be really accountable around those areas mentally
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Speaker 5: that you all need to grow at from a coaching perspective,
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Speaker 5: from a playing perspective, and from a team cohesion perspective
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Speaker 5: as well. You know, this is a game of fine
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Speaker 5: mind and then sometimes the individual and team's mindset can
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Speaker 5: be the difference between winning the title and losing it.
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Speaker 1: My god, you must be pumped though, if you listening
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Speaker 1: to you talk about where you ended up this year
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Speaker 1: and how close you were to getting through to that final,
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Speaker 1: keeping in mind you had los Sasha Glasgow court you
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Speaker 1: Bruce in the preseason, but you've had no change to
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Speaker 1: this team really before you head into twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: So I mean, god, it's only got to be positive
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Speaker 1: things coming from the West.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And look, the only change we make is Kelsey
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Speaker 5: transitions into a training partner and Ruth Ariane comes into
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Speaker 5: a contracted player. But all the players that make up
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Speaker 5: our squad have been in our environment over the past
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Speaker 5: twelve months, so they're really familiar. I think with the
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Speaker 5: journey we've been on, the language we're using, the theme
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Speaker 5: in which we're trying to embrace moving forward, and that's
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Speaker 5: really critical because you know, it takes a bit of
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Speaker 5: time after wholesale change to re establish yourself. And I
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Speaker 5: think there's nothing more important for a team than lived
9:53
Speaker 5: experiences together. And this group have been through a really
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Speaker 5: enjoyable ride, should I say, over the past twelve months,
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Speaker 5: we've learned a lot, gained a lot, and hopefully we
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Speaker 5: can demonstrate all those learnings we've gathered along the way
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Speaker 5: with the really successful twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: Dan I coach an under eleven's team, So I'd like
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Speaker 3: to talk to you peer to peer as coaches. Now, Please,
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Speaker 3: how do you keep getting better? How do you keep
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Speaker 3: your game improving?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a real student of the game, so obviously
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Speaker 5: I love the art and craft of coaching as much
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Speaker 5: as I love the game of netball and what it
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Speaker 5: gives and brings. So the off season for me is
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Speaker 5: the time to step away from a netball court and
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Speaker 5: not deliver or coach or plan sessions. But really, I
10:32
Speaker 5: guess refresh and recharge in different sporting environments. I'll read
10:35
Speaker 5: a lot of books. I'll listen to a lot of podcasts.
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Speaker 5: I've got a real hunger for information from all different avenues.
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Speaker 5: And it's not just sport. I'll look at corporate. I'll
10:43
Speaker 5: look at you know, the person that's overcome great adversity
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Speaker 5: to see the lights and the positivity and life circumstances
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Speaker 5: like that stuff really inspires me. So I think for me,
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Speaker 5: like I want to be the best possible coach I
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Speaker 5: can be. I'll drive my players to be the best
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Speaker 5: possible athletes they can be. And you know the expectation
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Speaker 5: I have as myself. If I expect them to get better,
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Speaker 5: they should expect me to get better as well. So
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Speaker 5: I want to be a better coach in twenty five
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Speaker 5: than what I was in twenty four, and I really
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Speaker 5: feel like I did some of my better coaching in
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four with this new group. It was so
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Speaker 5: exciting to work with them that you know, they'll want
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Speaker 5: to see me grow and I want to see them grow.
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Speaker 5: So I think when you stop learning and stop growing
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Speaker 5: and coaching, it's the time to hang up the notebook
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Speaker 5: and move on to something else.
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Speaker 1: Listening to podcasts, well, you're welcome for all.
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Speaker 5: I do like so much knowledge here and so much expertise.
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Speaker 5: You know, this is exactly what I need.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the grim talking about me full of all
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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Hey, we talk a lot throughout
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Speaker 1: the season about the challenges for a team that lives
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Speaker 1: in the West and in Perth. But do you also
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Speaker 1: secretly love the fact that you're removed. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: guys have a fortress at our ac arena, massive crowds,
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Speaker 1: super supportive. Do you kind of like that side of
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Speaker 1: it as well? A bit?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I really think it's got its benefits. Obviously,
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Speaker 5: the travel element and you know, competitive balance and all
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Speaker 5: of that stuff always comes up in conversation, and the
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Speaker 5: flying is tough, but it certainly makes you pretty gritty
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Speaker 5: and pretty hard and to fight your way through a season,
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Speaker 5: which actually love. I love the challenge of it because
12:08
Speaker 5: we've got no other options, so you just got to
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Speaker 5: embrace it. But I love the isolation over here in
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Speaker 5: the West. You can quietly go about your business and
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Speaker 5: no one really knows what you're up to or how
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Speaker 5: you're tracking. And I also feel like, you know, we
12:20
Speaker 5: could go a preseason and not see other teams but
12:23
Speaker 5: still be really well prepared with our men's team over here.
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Speaker 5: And you know, we're always been really ready for round
12:28
Speaker 5: one because we've just quietly gone along in the background.
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Speaker 5: And I mean, you even look at this season, no
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Speaker 5: one gave us a chance of finishing anywhere near the
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Speaker 5: top four or being a threat, and you know, we
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Speaker 5: set the stand in the first seven rounds of the competition.
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Speaker 5: So just being able to stay in your own lane,
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Speaker 5: in your own bubble, I think has great benefits. And
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Speaker 5: the lifestyle. The players absolutely love it, and quite often
12:48
Speaker 5: when we get players that relocate to Perth, they never
12:50
Speaker 5: want to leave because the lifestyle is so good and
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Speaker 5: the program's obviously making them great netbullers. So we're taking
12:56
Speaker 5: a lot of boxes like that, minus the long flying.
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Speaker 5: It's a pretty good place to be to be living
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Speaker 5: and working.
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Speaker 2: I went to a game this year. I was over
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Speaker 2: with my family on holiday as I went to the.
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Speaker 3: Giants match, and amazing walking from the city to the
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Speaker 3: stadium and there is everyone's in merch, everyone's in Fever merch,
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Speaker 3: Everyone's in New Fever merch. And it's like it's just
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Speaker 3: a flood of people, and that stadium is amazing and.
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Speaker 1: The flying pig, the flying peek is such a superb
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Speaker 1: yep yep.
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Speaker 3: There's also a giant bit of rock or mineral walking
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Speaker 3: around in a hard hats gold golden.
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Speaker 5: I think perhaps, yeah, it's pretty awesome, isn't it. I
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Speaker 5: think like our team behind the scenes, this was their
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Speaker 5: vision for a long long time. To the sea of Green,
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Speaker 5: the Green Army at rac Arena, and genuinely when you
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Speaker 5: walk out on court it we make sure we all
13:44
Speaker 5: take a moment to look around and soak it in
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Speaker 5: because it's not every day you get to play in
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Speaker 5: front of thirteen thousand fans in a home and away
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Speaker 5: domestic network competition and the game day experience is like
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Speaker 5: no other. It is the best network court in Australia,
13:57
Speaker 5: so we're very lucky and we try and win as
13:59
Speaker 5: many blood netball match on that quarter as possible because
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Speaker 5: of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're bloody do too. Hey, can you talk
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Speaker 1: to us about you playing netball because you see men's
14:07
Speaker 1: netball given so much more of a platform now and
14:10
Speaker 1: you're part of the commentary for the Kelpies Netblack series
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Speaker 1: just recently and it got it's good to hear you
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Speaker 1: on the mic. You're so bloody good at it. But
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Speaker 1: back when you were playing, it wasn't as prevalent. So
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Speaker 1: how did that all come about?
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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it's been like a long, long journey
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Speaker 5: men's netball and as we know, it started in the
14:27
Speaker 5: eighties and you know whether it was national championships and
14:29
Speaker 5: then the Australian men's team. I think the first ever
14:31
Speaker 5: team was in the mid nineteen eighties. And I started
14:34
Speaker 5: in the year two thys and fifteen year old and
14:37
Speaker 5: I knew from the age of eight that my dream
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Speaker 5: was to play netball for Australia. And I had no
14:41
Speaker 5: idea that there was an Australian men's netball team until
14:44
Speaker 5: I read a netball magazine and there was a profile
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Speaker 5: on Chris Carroll who happened to be the captain of
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Speaker 5: the Australian men's team and his mum Betty played for
14:50
Speaker 5: Australia back in the day. And as soon as I
14:53
Speaker 5: saw that, I'm like, well, if Chris is the captain,
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Speaker 5: I'm going to be the next captain one day. And
14:56
Speaker 5: that kind of started my journey and my dreaming. And
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Speaker 5: I look at where the men's game is now and
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Speaker 5: the profile and the opportunity that the boys are getting,
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Speaker 5: and how awesome Netball Australia are doing it embracing the
15:09
Speaker 5: full diversity of our great sport. And I've always been
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Speaker 5: a massive believer that netball should be setting its target
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Speaker 5: as being the number one sport for everybody, not just
15:18
Speaker 5: for women and girls. And I've loved that it's been
15:20
Speaker 5: a really special place for women and girls, but I've
15:23
Speaker 5: still felt really connected and belonged to it my entire life.
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Speaker 5: But now I just feel like the sport itself has
15:29
Speaker 5: gone next level where everyone has a place, everyone has
15:32
Speaker 5: an opportunity to contribute. And what's really exciting, I think
15:35
Speaker 5: is we're all equally as passionate and these boys that
15:38
Speaker 5: are playing or men, should I say that they're playing
15:40
Speaker 5: for the kelpies at the moment, rest assured that they're
15:42
Speaker 5: sporting heroes other diamonds. They are getting to live and
15:46
Speaker 5: breathe that experience with them and traveling with them is
15:48
Speaker 5: something I think that they all dreamed about as kids
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Speaker 5: and a lot of pinched me moments, which you know,
15:53
Speaker 5: it's certainly heartwarming to see where the game is and
15:55
Speaker 5: I love that our sport is now just fully tapping
15:58
Speaker 5: into that market and showcasing I think, a different version
16:00
Speaker 5: of netball, which which is great to see.
16:02
Speaker 1: I interviewed Leam Forkadilla recently and he said that he
16:06
Speaker 1: would always look up to the diamonds, and the diamonds were,
16:09
Speaker 1: you know, where he wanted to end up one day.
16:11
Speaker 1: He wanted to be as good as that, and I
16:12
Speaker 1: just thought that's so cool. It is so cool to
16:15
Speaker 1: hear that.
16:15
Speaker 5: It's a sport too where like the men involved in
16:18
Speaker 5: it are really driven to lift the women in it,
16:21
Speaker 5: and it's it's quite often the other way around, where
16:23
Speaker 5: the men's codes are lifting the women's codes, and it's
16:26
Speaker 5: great that we have that platform to support it. And
16:29
Speaker 5: you know, as I said before, the passion we all
16:31
Speaker 5: share for the game is the most important element and
16:33
Speaker 5: if we can all make great contributions to it, our
16:35
Speaker 5: sport is better off. So it's really exciting.
16:37
Speaker 3: Time here, Dan, Ryan, I'm just going to go out
16:41
Speaker 3: on a limb here, Dan, do you drink a bit
16:42
Speaker 3: of coffee?
16:43
Speaker 2: Seem like a fairly high energy guy.
16:48
Speaker 5: You're getting the passionate side of my personality. I love it. It'sful.
16:52
Speaker 3: How nice to be at this stage of your career too,
16:55
Speaker 3: and having played the game at the highest level and
16:57
Speaker 3: not have a brain injury that's going to send you
16:59
Speaker 3: to your graver earl, which is nice.
17:01
Speaker 5: Very thankful for that, very thankful for that.
17:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
17:03
Speaker 3: I mean, I think as the mother of a son,
17:05
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I look at him playing rugby
17:08
Speaker 3: and he loves it, but it's like, I don't know
17:10
Speaker 3: that I love it for him.
17:11
Speaker 4: No, And I reckon netbule like we could probably shout
17:13
Speaker 4: that from the rooftops a little bit more, couldn't we.
17:15
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
17:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I suspect there'll be a lot of mums
17:19
Speaker 4: out there going I'd like my son to play netball
17:22
Speaker 4: and protect his brain a little bit better.
17:24
Speaker 2: And also did just have one drop off for sport
17:26
Speaker 2: on a Saturday morning? Really good?
17:29
Speaker 4: That would be perfect.
17:30
Speaker 5: Damn. What was it like as a little.
17:31
Speaker 4: Boy, Like you say, you're an eight year old and
17:33
Speaker 4: you knew you wanted to play netball? Was that because
17:35
Speaker 4: your mum she was massively into it, wasn't it like
17:37
Speaker 4: did you? And so what was that like then when
17:39
Speaker 4: you couldn't see a pass?
17:40
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think like mum played a lot when she
17:43
Speaker 5: was younger, and I remember mum and my first memory
17:47
Speaker 5: of netball was sitting in nineteen ninety one on the
17:50
Speaker 5: couch with mum when she got home from work. She
17:52
Speaker 5: was a nurse. She taped the nineteen ninety one World
17:55
Speaker 5: Championship Final as a first game of netball. We sat
17:57
Speaker 5: down together and watched and Mum is a fanatical supporter
18:01
Speaker 5: of netball in the way like just she cheers the
18:03
Speaker 5: goal for goal. She absolutely loved it, and she then
18:05
Speaker 5: took me to a netball game in nineteen ninety three,
18:08
Speaker 5: I think it was Australia in Jamaica. It was the
18:09
Speaker 5: first time I watched a live game of netball, the
18:11
Speaker 5: best of the best at the Glasshouse in Melbourne. And
18:15
Speaker 5: from there I just started playing as an eight year
18:16
Speaker 5: old kid and loved it like I lived and breathed it.
18:19
Speaker 5: I knew all the players, I knew all the names,
18:21
Speaker 5: I knew the coaches. I'd be out in the backyard
18:24
Speaker 5: throwing the ball to myself as if I was Steve
18:26
Speaker 5: Rahbooden and sergeant commentating the games. I just knew what
18:30
Speaker 5: I wanted to do. And lucky we lived on ten
18:32
Speaker 5: acres so the neighbors weren't too close by. But I
18:35
Speaker 5: got three brothers and all of us played at some
18:37
Speaker 5: point in time. But obviously when you turn twelve, you
18:40
Speaker 5: can't keep playing with the girls. But my netble association
18:43
Speaker 5: Coreer Netble Association in Gelong knew how much I loved it,
18:46
Speaker 5: and they created the first ever mixed competition, that is
18:49
Speaker 5: it playing best and so we had three teams in
18:51
Speaker 5: the competition. But it just gave me an avenue for
18:53
Speaker 5: a weekly game of netball. And then I toughed that
18:55
Speaker 5: out for a couple of years and then was lucky
18:57
Speaker 5: enough to get into the Victorian system when I was fourteen.
18:59
Speaker 5: So lifelong passion that has never wavered. So and I've
19:03
Speaker 5: never found it as a boy with all the girls
19:05
Speaker 5: or the only boy in the team. I never saw
19:07
Speaker 5: it as different. I never saw it as hard. I
19:09
Speaker 5: never saw it as something that I shouldn't be doing
19:11
Speaker 5: because it wasn't normal. I just loved it, and if
19:15
Speaker 5: you love what you do, it doesn't matter what other
19:16
Speaker 5: people think. So there was always a mottol I took
19:19
Speaker 5: through in those years where perhaps people had certain opinions
19:22
Speaker 5: about boys playing netball. But it's so cool that I
19:24
Speaker 5: can turn my passion into a career that sent me
19:27
Speaker 5: all over the world that you know, I dreamed of
19:29
Speaker 5: living one day. So yeah, it's pretty specially amazing. Yeah,
19:32
Speaker 5: her name is Helen, Helen Ryan go Helen. What a legend.
19:35
Speaker 3: And I love that you're describing her a fan of
19:37
Speaker 3: the game, you know, cheering the goal, cheering the achievement.
19:39
Speaker 5: Whoever did it?
19:40
Speaker 2: I think that's wonderful.
19:41
Speaker 3: Liz, were you playing in that game, that first one
19:43
Speaker 3: in ninety three in the Glasshouse. I'm trying to do
19:45
Speaker 3: my maths.
19:46
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well I made my taboo for the Diamonds
19:48
Speaker 4: in ninety three, So.
19:52
Speaker 1: Wow, it was your favorite before Charrelle, then Dan.
19:56
Speaker 5: It was Vicky Wilson, So she was the first one
19:58
Speaker 5: that I saw, and I love that she just turned
20:00
Speaker 5: and shot from everywhere and I'd get out in the
20:02
Speaker 5: backyard and mimic her shooting style. And I actually got
20:05
Speaker 5: to meet her once as a kid and she signed
20:07
Speaker 5: my netball and I was besoded, absolutely loved it. And
20:11
Speaker 5: then our old nature my man come onto the scene.
20:13
Speaker 5: I'm like, you are the greatest thing ever invented. I
20:15
Speaker 5: just adored her, so yeah, she was the hero.
20:18
Speaker 1: Still do did you see Liza's social media recently? I
20:21
Speaker 1: did respect.
20:26
Speaker 4: Well, if there was a Dan Ryan statue.
20:28
Speaker 5: To please please Doe, I'm.
20:31
Speaker 4: Gonna say though, like, you know, I hated that you
20:33
Speaker 4: moderitor game on Sharrell because I'd play against Charrell at
20:36
Speaker 4: club and then we get into the Diamonds environment. I'm like, oh,
20:39
Speaker 4: thank god, I don't have to play against her anymore.
20:41
Speaker 4: And the coach you go, I'll we're playing the Victorian
20:43
Speaker 4: men's team, and I'm like, yeah.
20:47
Speaker 1: The same.
20:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, that was annoying.
20:50
Speaker 4: But then you know, Dan, you worked for Channel ten
20:53
Speaker 4: when I did, and I just the thing I love
20:55
Speaker 4: about you is that when Dave Barhum said to you,
20:58
Speaker 4: who was the head of sport there coming out to
21:00
Speaker 4: the cople of games, right, you're going to commentate and
21:03
Speaker 4: you would have just been hoping netball and he said gymnastics.
21:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just wait.
21:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you did it.
21:10
Speaker 4: And that is just how you do things, isn't it.
21:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. I think I'm a take an opportunity
21:16
Speaker 5: and go with it. And it's really interesting. I often
21:19
Speaker 5: think about Dave Burram and the opportunities that he provided
21:21
Speaker 5: because I feel like, no matter where you get in
21:23
Speaker 5: whatever career you choose, there's always somebody that's opened the
21:26
Speaker 5: door for he would give you a chance. And I
21:28
Speaker 5: remember when Channel ten got the rights to the A
21:31
Speaker 5: and Z Championship at the time, the netball and at
21:34
Speaker 5: that time I was desperate to get into broadcasting and
21:37
Speaker 5: pursue the dream of being a sports commentator. And I
21:39
Speaker 5: found his email address. I dropped him in an email,
21:41
Speaker 5: said this is who I am, this is what I
21:42
Speaker 5: want to do. And the next day he got back
21:44
Speaker 5: to me and said let's catch up for a coffee.
21:46
Speaker 5: The next day he offered me a job. And then
21:48
Speaker 5: through those opportunities, he took a bit of a shining
21:51
Speaker 5: to my passion, I think, and I worked pretty hard
21:54
Speaker 5: and he goes, you know, Commonwealth Games are coming up,
21:56
Speaker 5: what do you think, And I said, well, I actually
21:58
Speaker 5: used to do gymnastics, I kind of know, and he goes,
22:00
Speaker 5: all right, you're commentating gymnastics before that. Again he made
22:03
Speaker 5: me trial for it though, like can you actually do this?
22:05
Speaker 5: But just things like that, you need good people in
22:07
Speaker 5: your corner that are willing to back you in and
22:10
Speaker 5: then when the opportunity comes, you just make the most
22:12
Speaker 5: of it. And I never would have thought in my
22:13
Speaker 5: wildest day as I'd be commentating the pommel horse in
22:15
Speaker 5: India had a comord.
22:17
Speaker 3: Games Well, it made a whole lot more sense than
22:19
Speaker 3: the former Australian cricket captain commentating diving at the Olympics
22:23
Speaker 3: this year a whole.
22:25
Speaker 2: It didn't do a bad.
22:26
Speaker 3: Job, but it's like job is that Mark Taylor's voice, Dan,
22:29
Speaker 3: I've got a question for you, and I should tell
22:31
Speaker 3: you we haven't met yet in person. I'm one hundred
22:33
Speaker 3: and fifty nine centimeters, so I don't think being tall
22:36
Speaker 3: is the be all and end all in life. But
22:38
Speaker 3: kath mentioned earlier on when I said you're one hundred
22:40
Speaker 3: and seventy five centimeters, she said, must be a mid
22:42
Speaker 3: quarter and you were a goal attack and a shootout?
22:45
Speaker 2: Was that short for those positions?
22:47
Speaker 1: Okay?
22:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, tiny? I think and obviously the men's game you
22:51
Speaker 5: would have seen on the Kelpies New Zealand, like they're
22:53
Speaker 5: massive guys and they can jump above the goal ring
22:57
Speaker 5: and you know, deflect the ball before it goes through
22:59
Speaker 5: the hoop. So you just have to learn different ways
23:01
Speaker 5: to play the game. And for me, you know, I
23:03
Speaker 5: was quick, I had great agility, I read the game
23:06
Speaker 5: well and I had to develop this shot that basically
23:08
Speaker 5: hit the roof of the stadium before it dropped in
23:10
Speaker 5: so I could score some goals. But it just makes
23:13
Speaker 5: you think differently, and you know, I try and encourage
23:14
Speaker 5: that in the girls too, like so so we're so
23:17
Speaker 5: quick to say no, she's too short, she can't do this.
23:20
Speaker 5: But look at the Georgie Horgises, look at the Denise
23:23
Speaker 5: Beckfeld's that knee hider grasshoppers, but still use their weapons
23:27
Speaker 5: to make things really challenging for their opposition.
23:29
Speaker 1: Do you know the thinking person's game, I don't think
23:33
Speaker 1: is around as much as you were typically one of
23:36
Speaker 1: the greatest that would use your head. But I feel
23:38
Speaker 1: like Nepbul, because it's so fast, is a lot of
23:41
Speaker 1: it is reactive. There's not a whole heap of players
23:43
Speaker 1: that still really think about what they're doing. But you're
23:46
Speaker 1: so right, because the shorter ones like you're Georgie Horgis's
23:49
Speaker 1: real playmakers and really think about what they're doing on
23:52
Speaker 1: the court. So did you find that to be one
23:55
Speaker 1: of your real strengths early or is that something you
23:57
Speaker 1: had to work on.
23:58
Speaker 5: I think I developed it over time. I think initially
24:01
Speaker 5: when I first started, like my physical attributes would often
24:06
Speaker 5: get me to a point of being quite dominant in
24:08
Speaker 5: the game. But eventually then teams start setting up strategies
24:11
Speaker 5: where they take away some of your strengths. You then
24:12
Speaker 5: have to really think about what you're doing, and I
24:15
Speaker 5: love that. And I think I started coaching at the
24:17
Speaker 5: age of fifteen, so I started to see the game
24:19
Speaker 5: not just from my perspective but from the perspective of
24:21
Speaker 5: people around me on the court really differently from an
24:25
Speaker 5: early age, so I could kind of just naturally develop
24:27
Speaker 5: this kind of playmaker or thinking a couple of moves
24:31
Speaker 5: or passes ahead, and really enjoyed that style of play.
24:34
Speaker 5: So I probably went from being super dominant individually to
24:37
Speaker 5: being a little bit more of the craftsmen around players
24:40
Speaker 5: and setting things up for others, which I've got a
24:42
Speaker 5: great thrill out of so I think it's just something
24:45
Speaker 5: that comes naturally. But on your point around those thinking
24:48
Speaker 5: and playmaking players, they're few and far between in our
24:51
Speaker 5: game at the moment, but when you have them, you
24:53
Speaker 5: can really see the impact of them.
24:55
Speaker 3: So it's who would you point out as being particularly
24:58
Speaker 3: good in that regard at the moment.
25:00
Speaker 5: Well, I think definitely Georgie Horges from The Thunderbirds is
25:03
Speaker 5: very good at it. I see Alice t Neil in
25:05
Speaker 5: my environment as that type of player. She sees the
25:07
Speaker 5: game really well. And they're probably the two that stick
25:10
Speaker 5: out mostly for me, and quite often you see them
25:12
Speaker 5: as attacking players a little bit more than defenders. But
25:16
Speaker 5: the defenders you're probably looking at the ones that are
25:17
Speaker 5: a little bit more cunning, that can set things up
25:20
Speaker 5: and that type of thing. So yeah, it's a little
25:22
Speaker 5: bit of a lost art, the thinking, crafting, playmaking player,
25:25
Speaker 5: but when you have it, it's certainly a massive weapon
25:28
Speaker 5: in your team, something that you certainly look for when
25:29
Speaker 5: you're recruiting.
25:30
Speaker 2: And how would you develop that as a coach.
25:33
Speaker 5: I think you've got to firstly empower them to know
25:36
Speaker 5: that they're capable of doing it. I think that's probably
25:38
Speaker 5: the first thing. And setting up players where they have
25:41
Speaker 5: the ownership and autonomy to call things themselves and own
25:45
Speaker 5: things out on that court, and a lot of it
25:47
Speaker 5: will be self determined in terms of them being thinking players.
25:51
Speaker 5: I think fran Williams for us, is probably the most
25:54
Speaker 5: astute defensive player I've ever experienced in netball. She's amazing
25:59
Speaker 5: in the way she sees the game and reads the
26:00
Speaker 5: plane can articulate it most importantly. But a lot of
26:04
Speaker 5: it will be self driven by the individual. It'll be
26:06
Speaker 5: a skill set that naturally flourishes when when it's embraced.
26:09
Speaker 1: It's also a skill set that you can tell very
26:11
Speaker 1: early on some people just do not.
26:13
Speaker 5: Have and those players are very challenging.
26:20
Speaker 3: Okay, everyone who's been here for the summer series has
26:26
Speaker 3: has been into Coxies hot box and it's a.
26:29
Speaker 1: It's creepy because we've now got a boy jumping in
26:31
Speaker 1: my hot box.
26:32
Speaker 5: Do I need sunream? I feel like I need sun cream.
26:36
Speaker 3: You'll do well, so strap in.
26:44
Speaker 1: Not to be confused with anyway.
26:49
Speaker 5: Unbelieva.
26:52
Speaker 1: Oh good lord, I'm crying. Okay, So it's sixty seconds,
26:56
Speaker 1: that's not really it's just quick fire. If we like.
26:58
Speaker 2: Sixty seconds, but none of us have watch or.
27:03
Speaker 1: For Coxes hot box.
27:05
Speaker 5: Still, let's hit it. Okay, coffee, order a large flat
27:09
Speaker 5: white extra shot.
27:10
Speaker 2: And keep them coming right please.
27:12
Speaker 1: Summer or winter?
27:14
Speaker 5: Summer your breakfast, go to just coffee?
27:19
Speaker 1: Really, when do you eat first for the day?
27:22
Speaker 5: Lunchtime?
27:23
Speaker 1: Oh my god, in the morning.
27:26
Speaker 2: Is this an intermittent fasting thing?
27:28
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I just like to start the day with
27:30
Speaker 5: a liquid diet and then we move on to something
27:31
Speaker 5: substantial for lunch and then probably bringe all night at dinner.
27:33
Speaker 5: That's how we balance it out.
27:36
Speaker 4: Ja and I great believe is in liquid dinner. But anyway,
27:38
Speaker 4: that's another story.
27:40
Speaker 3: Bloody Mary for breakfast, but that's maybe not so good
27:43
Speaker 3: on a webdak.
27:44
Speaker 1: Funniest person in your team.
27:47
Speaker 5: Janelle Fowler Nambard absolute hoot.
27:50
Speaker 1: Never would have picked that, very funny. Wow. Okay, tomato
27:53
Speaker 1: sauce in the fridge or the cupboard in the cupboard
27:56
Speaker 1: your favorite seal? That's not netball?
27:58
Speaker 5: Uh think that's Olympics. Obsessed with the Olympic Games.
28:03
Speaker 1: Favorite holiday destination.
28:05
Speaker 5: I can't go past Barley too familiar, too easy.
28:08
Speaker 1: Plane activity. Now you guys are on a plane, a lot.
28:11
Speaker 1: What do you do?
28:12
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, I can sit and play Tetris for
28:15
Speaker 5: six hours straight.
28:16
Speaker 1: On what what do you play tetress on these days.
28:18
Speaker 5: On the phone? Oh? Do you It's the best? Feel
28:22
Speaker 5: so good?
28:22
Speaker 1: Is it an art? Need to get onto the Do
28:25
Speaker 1: you not know what Tetris? Where do you find it?
28:28
Speaker 3: I just okay, just sidebar on that I read the
28:32
Speaker 3: other day. There is something about Tetris being used for
28:34
Speaker 3: people who have had an enormous sort of traumatic shock
28:37
Speaker 3: or something that they say it is really helpful in
28:39
Speaker 3: not allowing that trauma to imprint on the brain. So
28:42
Speaker 3: getting people to play Tetris because it's so immersive. Yeah,
28:46
Speaker 3: so if someone suffered a massive bereavement or something.
28:49
Speaker 1: And Dan does that when the does on the plane
28:54
Speaker 1: on the way. What are you binging right now?
28:58
Speaker 5: I am binging? Oh good question. Disney plus Aaron Hernandez story.
29:04
Speaker 1: Oh writing all this down? Ye?
29:06
Speaker 5: I love true crime. True crime is my passion. I
29:08
Speaker 5: love it football? Yeah it is?
29:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yes, and I've seen that. That's great. Okay,
29:12
Speaker 1: who's there? We don't want to use the word useless,
29:15
Speaker 1: but who's the most challenging in your environment? Your team environment,
29:20
Speaker 1: he's going to always throw you a curveball.
29:22
Speaker 5: She would want me to say that. It's definitely Katie
29:24
Speaker 5: and Haney. I love it a bit, but I am
29:27
Speaker 5: on her like bees To Honey, that's for sure, absolutely
29:30
Speaker 5: on her.
29:31
Speaker 1: Do you have any ink given? You go to Bali
29:33
Speaker 1: all the time. You get a little tattoo over there.
29:35
Speaker 5: No, I don't actually clean as clean skin.
29:38
Speaker 2: I'm also a clean skin bees To are ink.
29:41
Speaker 5: Nothing wrong with it?
29:42
Speaker 1: Music, genre, bit of everything.
29:45
Speaker 5: Actually, I've got a pretty ecclecticatest, So nothing specific.
29:49
Speaker 1: How do you have your steak cooked?
29:52
Speaker 5: It's going to give you a warning.
29:54
Speaker 1: This is a real pass fail.
29:55
Speaker 5: This one more rare than medium.
29:57
Speaker 1: This is a big pass because he's also combining that
29:59
Speaker 1: with the lovely Chira darling.
30:03
Speaker 2: You get the grown ups.
30:05
Speaker 1: You passed and right, hot box.
30:09
Speaker 5: It was very hot down there, I'll say that night.
30:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is, isn't it down there in there?
30:16
Speaker 5: Oh god?
30:18
Speaker 2: All right?
30:18
Speaker 3: Did somebody say something about a fever? I think that's
30:21
Speaker 3: all we've got time for.
30:23
Speaker 1: It was and that was amazing. Thank you for your time.
30:25
Speaker 1: And you're the first, not only fella, you're the first
30:28
Speaker 1: coach we've had so tick tick.
30:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was a fascinating discussion. Thank you
30:33
Speaker 3: so much for my pleasure.
30:34
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, guys.
30:36
Speaker 4: Given that we've known you since you're a kid, I
30:37
Speaker 4: feel like our little boys grown up.
30:40
Speaker 5: So catching up with mum and mum again, isn't it?
30:42
Speaker 5: Just love it?
30:44
Speaker 1: I think I'm offended. Well, enjoy the rest of your preseason.
30:53
Speaker 2: Absolutely and go the Fever. That was a really great I.
30:57
Speaker 3: Remember watching the first time you came over to play
30:59
Speaker 3: the Swifts and I thought, never, never going to be
31:01
Speaker 3: able to defeat the Janelle and Shenise there. It's like
31:04
Speaker 3: how to get around them? So good luck in twenty
31:07
Speaker 3: twenty five.
31:08
Speaker 5: Thank you, Zilla. Bye bye.
31:10
Speaker 3: That has been the No Dribble summer series that's been
31:12
Speaker 3: Dan Ryan from the West Coast Fever.
31:14
Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Swindell.
31:15
Speaker 1: I'm cath Cox, I'm Lizellos.
31:18
Speaker 3: Have a great week everyone, Bye bye bye