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Tammy Hembrow Deep Dive Episode 3: The First Matt · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough is Australia's most talked about influencer. At 19,
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  Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared
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  Speaker 1: her fitness journey while pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: This is my first vlog again, so it might be
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  Speaker 2: a little bad. I don't know if it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be boring or what, but I hope you guys enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy's life is far from boring. The fitness influencer and
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  Speaker 1: her family are Australia's answer to the Kardashians. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: she's even been involved in a few Kardashian scandals herself.
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  Speaker 3: A model explains why she had to leave Kylie Jenner's
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher.
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  Speaker 1: By sharing her life online, Tammy has attracted over 20
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  Speaker 1: million followers and built an empire worth $ 50 million. What
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  Speaker 1: has really kept her followers glued are her romantic relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Over the last 10 years, the internet has borne witness
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  Speaker 1: to three engagements, three children, one epic wedding, and now
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  Speaker 1: a divorce.
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  Speaker 3: We are journalists, Amy and Kate Torber, and in this
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  Speaker 3: special Outspoken series, we explore the real story behind the
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  Speaker 3: rise of Tammy Hembrough.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Amy, how does it feel entering this special series
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  Speaker 1: midway through? We've subbed Sophie out on maternity leave, and
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  Speaker 1: you've come in at a pivotal time, and we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Matt I.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really excited to be joining at this point
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  Speaker 3: to talk, of course, about Matt Poole.
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  Speaker 1: So when we last left you, it was Father's Day
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  Speaker 1: 2020 and Tammy was taking potshots at her ex, Rhys Hawkins.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out she was actually gearing up to hard
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  Speaker 1: launch her new boyfriend. So on the 19th of September 2020,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy made things Instagram official with Australian Ironman, Matt Paul.
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  Speaker 1: While holidaying together in the Whitsundays, Tammy shared a selfie
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  Speaker 1: with Matt to Instagram. And then a week later, she
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  Speaker 1: added a grid post of her kissing Matt that read,
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  Speaker 1: two Tauruses in love. Matt followed suit, sharing a picture
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  Speaker 1: of him kissing Tammy while enjoying a boat cruise. And
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  Speaker 1: Tammy commented, hey, lover. What a launch.
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  Speaker 3: Now, later that week, Tammy debuted Matt on her YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 3: filming a boyfriend-girlfriend tag video. And in it, they shared
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  Speaker 3: interesting insights into their new relationship. So it turns out
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  Speaker 3: they first met in Bali at Finns Beach Club's third
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  Speaker 3: birthday party in July 2019. And they were just friends
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  Speaker 3: at the time, but sparks flew when they saw each
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  Speaker 3: other again at Lucy, Jackson and Nikki Westcott's housewarming a
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  Speaker 3: couple of months later. They ended up sharing their first
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  Speaker 3: kiss at the party and Matt claims that Tammy chased him.
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  Speaker 3: Let's throw to what they said.
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  Speaker 4: We're at their housewarming party and I remember turning up
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  Speaker 4: and you're looking very, very pretty. And we kissed.
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  Speaker 5: I definitely was not looking pretty that day.
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  Speaker 4: You made some big moves on me. You went on
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  Speaker 4: the chase and i'm.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty sure i do it did i yeah i probably did.
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  Speaker 4: Hey yeah remember you asked me to message you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no i actually did yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So tanny messaged me and asked on instagram and asked
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  Speaker 4: me sent me a number and said hey you should
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  Speaker 4: message me sometime we can go on a date i didn't.
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  Speaker 6: Say we can go on a date i said no
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  Speaker 6: because i've known him for like so long so i'm
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  Speaker 6: I wanted him to know that I was, like, all
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  Speaker 6: of a sudden interested in him because I just suddenly, like,
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  Speaker 6: had this huge crush on him after that one day.
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  Speaker 4: I had a crush, too. I just, for some reason,
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  Speaker 4: forgot to message you for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I told him. I was like, can you, um,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you can text me if you want.
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  Speaker 6: And then he just didn't text me and I was
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  Speaker 6: so annoyed.
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  Speaker 4: Playing hard to get, huh? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he just didn't actually like you.
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  Speaker 4: But now I'm obsessed.
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  Speaker 6: Are you really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like I forced this to happen.
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  Speaker 3: That's so mean.
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  Speaker 4: I'm joking.
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  Speaker 5: You're so mean.
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  Speaker 1: It was so funny watching this YouTube back because Tammy
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  Speaker 1: was all over Matt. You know when a couple is
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  Speaker 1: in the stage where they can't keep their hands off
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  Speaker 1: each other? She was grabbing at his leg and they
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  Speaker 1: had to stop at one point to have a kiss.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just surprised that Tammy Hembrough would do a boyfriend-girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: tag in 2020. I mean, that seemed very 2016.
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  Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of people calling for
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  Speaker 1: it because Everyone knew that they were together and it
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  Speaker 1: took a while for them to actually hard launch this relationship.
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  Speaker 1: So it was an exciting new step.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think Matt Paul has been my favourite boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: of Tammy's.
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  Speaker 1: Controversial. I actually posted a comment on one of our
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough reels saying that I know that her relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Rhys Hawkins was toxic, but I still ship them together.
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  Speaker 1: But the logical side of me is like, no, Matt Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Paul seems really good with her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he seems to treat her nicely now as well,
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  Speaker 3: now that they're co-parenting.
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  Speaker 1: Is it just because our expectations are so low with
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  Speaker 1: Rhys Hawkins? You know, he's gone off overseas. He barely
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  Speaker 1: sees his kids. And you see Matt Paul co-parenting and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, what a dad.
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  Speaker 3: It's the bare minimum, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in terms of Tammy and Matt's first date, it
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  Speaker 1: was very simple. It was Netflix and chill with Mexican
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  Speaker 1: takeaway at Tammy's house. They also revealed in the YouTube
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  Speaker 1: that Matt was the first to say, I love you.
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  Speaker 1: But awkwardly, it was actually after a fight and he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to make up with Tammy and And she
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  Speaker 1: didn't say it back to him until their holiday in
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  Speaker 1: the Whitsundays, which is when they weren't Instagram official.
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  Speaker 3: Ironically, in the YouTube, when Matt was asked what Tammy's
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  Speaker 3: favourite TV show is, he said this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting in.
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  Speaker 1: Front of the TV.
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  Speaker 2: What's on the screen?
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  Speaker 4: Desperate Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm watching at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: Or Love Island.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also watching that at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: Good. Well, that's not difficult. I've been watching them like heaps.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to put this comment into perspective, this video was
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  Speaker 1: uploaded in September 2020. So there's a slight chance she
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  Speaker 1: could have been watching her future ex-husband, Matt Sikowsky's series
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  Speaker 1: of Love Island, because that aired in October 2019. She
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  Speaker 1: could have been late to the party. The next Australian
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  Speaker 1: series didn't air until October 2021. It also could have
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  Speaker 1: been the UK series, though, because there were a couple
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  Speaker 1: of series airing in 2020. I'm thinking it was probably
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  Speaker 1: the UK one. It shits all over the Australian one.
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  Speaker 3: Surely, because if you had seen Matt Sikowsky on Love Island,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you'd be hitting him up for a date.
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  Speaker 1: Now, on the topic of reality TV, since 2018, fans
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  Speaker 1: have been calling for the Hembros to have their own
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  Speaker 1: Kardashian-style reality show. It really does seem like the natural
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  Speaker 1: progression with the Hembros being touted as the Australian Kardashians.
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  Speaker 1: And in early 2021, Tammy excited her fans when she
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  Speaker 1: confirmed a Hembro reality series was in the works. So
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  Speaker 1: the Hembro sisters and Matt Paul all shared behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes snaps of camera crews at their houses.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Tammy's ex, Reece, he also had his own exciting announcement.
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  Speaker 3: So in March of 2021, he and London welcomed their
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  Speaker 3: first child together, Stone Hawkins. Kate, what did you think
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  Speaker 3: of that name?
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  Speaker 1: Look, we discussed it in depth at the time, and
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  Speaker 1: I think listeners won't be shocked to hear that I
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  Speaker 1: was not a fan of the name. I'm used to
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  Speaker 1: influencers giving their children unusual names, but this one really
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  Speaker 1: took the cake.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it sounds pretty normal compared to some of Nara
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  Speaker 3: Smith's baby names that she didn't use. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you saw that TikTok floating around.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I suppose five years on, maybe Stone is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more normal. But at the time, there was
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  Speaker 1: a big reaction to this name, which forced London to
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  Speaker 1: come out and explain why they chose it. However, the
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  Speaker 1: explanation didn't really help the situation because she simply said
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  Speaker 1: they picked Stone because they'd never met or known anyone
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  Speaker 1: with the name. Not sure if that's a massive endorsement
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  Speaker 1: to name your child that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and later on, London got slammed for giving her
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  Speaker 3: son the worst nickname when she referred to him as Stoner.
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  Speaker 3: So in an Instagram story, she wrote, Stoner, babe, I
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  Speaker 3: love you. Is that just an Australian term? Could she
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  Speaker 3: have gotten confused?
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  Speaker 1: The father of the child was Australian, so I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure Rhys would have flagged it. Perhaps he just was
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  Speaker 1: a pushover with names because in the first episode, Sophie
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  Speaker 1: and I discussed how Tammy came to him with the
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  Speaker 1: name Wolf and he didn't really like it to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was like, yeah, okay, I suppose.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the woman should get to choose the name,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, because they're doing most of the hard work.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. And it's pretty interesting because Rhys and
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  Speaker 1: London actually ended up getting married shortly after their engagement
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  Speaker 1: in September 2020. So Rhys dropped the news in December
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  Speaker 1: that year on London's birthday and he shared a birthday
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  Speaker 1: message to her and just casually referenced her as his wife.
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  Speaker 1: And he was immediately flooded with questions about what was
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  Speaker 1: going on. And he responded to a comment saying, we're married.
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  Speaker 1: We will have a proper wedding after COVID.
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  Speaker 3: It really was a period of big life changes for
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  Speaker 3: Rhys Hawkins because four months after the birth of Stone,
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  Speaker 3: he and London attempted to move to the US. So
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  Speaker 3: while London and Stone were able to get in easily,
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  Speaker 3: because London is, of course, a citizen, Rhys was unable
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  Speaker 3: to get into the country because he wasn't vaccinated against COVID.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, your vaccination status was such a big
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  Speaker 1: thing and a lot of influencers were being slammed for
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  Speaker 1: being unvaccinated. So there wasn't a lot of sympathy there
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  Speaker 1: for Rhys Hawkins when he couldn't get into the US
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  Speaker 1: with his wife and child. Instead, he ended up in
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  Speaker 1: Switzerland and London and Stone tried to enter Switzerland but
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  Speaker 1: were actually turned away at the border because she wasn't vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: It turned out that Reece had just gotten in just
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  Speaker 1: in time before the law changed. He just had to
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  Speaker 1: pass a positive PCR test.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he ended up spending most of the year
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  Speaker 3: in Mexico without London and Stone. I almost said Pebble then. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: so in November of 2021, Tammy confirmed during an Instagram
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  Speaker 3: Q & A that she had the kids full-time now
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  Speaker 3: that Reece lived overseas.
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  Speaker 1: So back to Tammy and Matt Poole. After dating for
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: just over a year Matt proposed to Tammy in November
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  Speaker 1: 2021 and it was perfect timing with the reality TV
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  Speaker 1: film crew capturing the moment. So Matt organized a surprise
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  Speaker 1: luxury boat ride for Tammy and her children Wolf and
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  Speaker 1: Saskia and initially Tammy was sharing updates to her Instagram
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  Speaker 1: story from the boat. So she posted a selfie in
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  Speaker 1: a bikini. She also posted a photo of a bottle
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  Speaker 1: of champagne and videos of her kids. She then shocked
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  Speaker 1: her followers by revealing that she was engaged.
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  Speaker 3: And it really was the perfect background for the film
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  Speaker 3: crew because Matt had decorated the luxury yacht with red
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  Speaker 3: roses and petals. And it was really sweet because he
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  Speaker 3: got both of the kids involved in the proposal. So
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  Speaker 3: they held up a sign that said, Mummy, will you?
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  Speaker 1: I can't actually believe that this proposal was four years
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  Speaker 1: ago because I vividly remember all of the images from it,
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  Speaker 1: like that photo of Saskia and Wolf and the ring. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. That is my favourite engagement ring of Tammy's.
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  Speaker 1: It was this beautiful oval-cut diamond ring. with little smaller
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  Speaker 1: diamonds around the band.
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  Speaker 3: It really was a stunning ring, and Tammy announced the
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  Speaker 3: news to her followers, writing, I'm in shock, honestly, have
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  Speaker 3: not been able to stop crying happy tears. Yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: my love, and tagged Matt Poole.
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  Speaker 1: Funnily enough, Tammy and Matt ended up following in the
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  Speaker 1: footsteps of Reese and London, and two weeks after their engagement,
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  Speaker 1: announced that they were pregnant with a baby girl. So
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  Speaker 1: Tammy uploaded a video to Instagram of her revealing her
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  Speaker 1: baby bump with Matt, Wolf, and Saskia. And she captioned
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  Speaker 1: the video, our hearts are so full.
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  Speaker 3: Now, a few months later, during a routine pregnancy scan,
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  Speaker 3: doctors discovered that Tammy's baby had an extra finger. So
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  Speaker 3: she had six fingers on each hand.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually a genetic condition called polydactyl, which is a
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  Speaker 1: condition that runs in the Hembrough family. So Tammy, Amy
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  Speaker 1: and Emily were all born with extra fingers, as well
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  Speaker 1: as Tammy's brother and mum. Emily's child, Gabriel, also had
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  Speaker 1: an extra finger, but Tammy said it skipped Wolf and Saskia.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it turns out that this scan showed that
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  Speaker 3: the baby's extra fingers were a lot more developed than
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  Speaker 3: other members of her family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so shortly after the baby was born, she did
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  Speaker 1: have the fingers removed just like Tammy and her sisters did.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty cute because Tammy has explained in the past
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  Speaker 1: that her sisters and her were left with little scars
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  Speaker 1: on their fingers and growing up, they just assumed that
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  Speaker 1: everyone had the same.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'd do if I found out
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  Speaker 3: my child had an extra finger because it could be
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  Speaker 3: quite handy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand how it would be handy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it would have been handy for Tammy to have
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  Speaker 3: an extra finger. She could have kept all of her
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  Speaker 3: engagement rings.
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  Speaker 4: God.
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  Speaker 1: Moving swiftly along, in March 2020, while Tammy was organising
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  Speaker 1: her overseas baby moon, speculation started mounting that Rhys Hawkins
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  Speaker 1: was refusing to sign their kids' passport applications. So on
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram story, Tammy revealed she was having a stressful
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  Speaker 1: time trying to get Wolf and Saskia's passports renewed, saying
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  Speaker 1: that there were some obstacles. Now, when it comes to
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: children's passports, both parents need to provide consent. And it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like Tammy's Instagram story led a follower to ask
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  Speaker 1: Rhys about his relationship with his eldest children. The person wrote,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: so why haven't you seen your first two kids? Answer
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  Speaker 1: the question, shut us all up. And Rhys responded, because
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  Speaker 1: me and their mum have the most fucked relationship on
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  Speaker 1: the planet and always have, and it's not possible for
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  Speaker 1: me to right now.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not the best response from Rhys Hawkins. Not really
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  Speaker 3: showing a united front there.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: And also putting that out publicly for your kids to
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: see later on.
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  Speaker 3: And in a turn of events, a month later, Rhys
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  Speaker 3: shocked his followers by sharing a sweet black and white
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  Speaker 3: photo of him hugging Wolf and Saskia to his Instagram story.
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  Speaker 3: So he hadn't actually shared a photo of his kids
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  Speaker 3: to social media for years, despite sharing photos of his
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  Speaker 3: youngest son, Stone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that came off the back of him saying that
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to keep his eldest children private, particularly because
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  Speaker 1: Now that they were getting older, they were more recognisable
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't really want to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: the content. Rhys had also notably been absent from his
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  Speaker 1: two children's lives during his relocation to the US with
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  Speaker 1: London and Stone. And obviously Rhys hadn't been around Saskia
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  Speaker 1: and Wolf for such a long time since trying to
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  Speaker 1: move to the US. And it appeared it was the
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  Speaker 1: first time he'd actually seen them since coming back to Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Now in June 2022, just weeks out from Tammy giving birth,
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  Speaker 3: Speculation was continuing to mount that she and Matt Poole
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  Speaker 3: had broken up. So it started simmering back in April
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  Speaker 3: when photos emerged from Tammy's baby shower of a decorative
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  Speaker 3: sign that said baby Hembro the third rather than baby Poole.
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  Speaker 3: And by June, the couple hadn't been photographed together for
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  Speaker 3: over a month when Matt slipped up and revealed they
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: weren't living together. So it all started when Matt hit
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: back at a follower on Instagram, accusing him of not
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  Speaker 3: pulling his weight. after Tammy shared numerous Instagram posts and
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  Speaker 3: stories showing her on her own and discussing how family
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: had been helping with household chores. So one follower wrote, Matt,
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  Speaker 3: not trying to put you down, but you really need
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  Speaker 3: to step up and pull your weight around with Tammy.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly she is struggling with everyday tasks and you are
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  Speaker 3: not there with her helping. Her family had to go
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  Speaker 3: around to your house to help her and clean rooms
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  Speaker 3: today and yesterday. Not even going to speak about that.
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  Speaker 3: Can you not see she is passively posting about you
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  Speaker 3: not helping her? When we can all see it, why
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  Speaker 3: not you? Drinking can be done anytime with your besties,
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  Speaker 3: but having the last week with Tammy to yourself is
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  Speaker 3: so very precious before you become parents. Now, Matt responded, writing,
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  Speaker 3: I understand your message comes from a good place. You
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  Speaker 3: have zero idea what myself and Tammy are going through,
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  Speaker 3: nor do you know or need to know what is
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  Speaker 3: happening with our relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And it appears Matt then slipped up and gave away
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  Speaker 1: too much information, adding, I was around there today. You
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  Speaker 1: don't know that because all you see is Instagram. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know you. You don't know me. You don't know Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: I understand you guys are all fans of her, but
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  Speaker 1: keep your opinion on our relationship to yourself. I never
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  Speaker 1: asked for it, nor do I care to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Have some respect. Now, the reference of visiting Tammy's house
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  Speaker 1: made it very apparent that they were no longer living together. Now,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: in what seemed to be a clear bid to stop
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  Speaker 1: breakup speculation, Days later, Tammy shared a sweet video of
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: her kissing and cuddling Matt in front of her pool
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: as he cradled her heavily pregnant belly. Matt wrote under
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: the video, come on out little girl. It seemed to work.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: The drama really continued for poor Tammy because just days
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: out from giving birth to her third child, she was
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: rushed to hospital after being bitten by a dog. So
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Tammy needed stitches and shared a photo of her bandaged
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: hand to Instagram. She didn't share how or when the
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: incident occurred. She wrote, little update, lots of tears and
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: spent yesterday in hospital, but surprisingly not baby related. Had
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: a clean out and stitches from a dog bite. Not
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: the best day to say the least, but I'm all good.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Just sore. Now with her baby just days away from arriving,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: she wrote, kind of glad baby hasn't made an appearance
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: yet because I pretty much can't do anything with this
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: hand at the moment.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Poor Tammy, she can't really catch a break here, can she?
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Now, on the 20th of June, 2022, Tammy gave birth
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to her third child, Posey Paul. Tammy shared a collection
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: of photos from her labor, which showed that Matt and
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: her sisters joined her in the birth suite. Tammy captioned
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the photos, the absolute hardest yet most rewarding thing I've
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: ever done. An unmedicated V-back. No words. Birth story to
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: come for now just resting in my love bubble with
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: my perfect little girl. Wow. Now, for those not across
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the terminology, a VBAC refers to a vaginal birth after
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a cesarean. It was actually after two cesareans for Tammy.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So that is an incredible thing to do. Yes.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: We got some idea of just how painful this was
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: because Tammy shared a photo of her screaming while in
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: labor and wrote, you guys will get the full sound
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: version in my birth video. Real and raw screams and all.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: My sisters were laughing because I asked if I really
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: have to push her out.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Lol. Lol.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Now the 10 minute vlog didn't disappoint. I still remember
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: watching this at my old job with one of my
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: friends and we just kept having to pause it to
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my God, like to make comments. I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: think we should actually throw to some of the screams.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: God.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: It just makes me so glad that I had a cesarean.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I recently listened to Steph Clare Smith's birth story on
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: her podcast, and they included an upside of her screaming.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And I just was like, wow, women have to go
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: through a lot of shit.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: They do. This vlog was pretty interesting for more than
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the reason of just listening to Tammy screaming, because you
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: got the vibe that Matt really took a bat seat
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: during the birth. So he didn't actually feature much in
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the video. And Tammy's sister, Amy, cut the umbilical cord
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: rather than Matt.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Now, breakup rumors continue to follow Tammy and Matt in August,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and this was despite the fact that the couple traveled
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: to Bali together for Tammy's fitness retreat that she held
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: with Journey Retreats.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Now, something just seemed off because Matt was spotted with
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Tammy and the kids at the airport, but he actually
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: didn't feature in any of the photos in Tammy's Bali
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: photo dump. Matt did his own photo dump as well,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and Tammy was in one of the pictures, but they
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: weren't photographed in a couple shot together at all. However,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to the delight of their Instagram followers, they ended up
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: being photographed together at a wedding and posted that photo.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: But the relief was actually short-lived because the couple just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: continued to unfollow and refollow each other. So everyone was like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: what is actually going on?
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Now, as breakup rumors were intensifying, Rhys Hawkins made a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: surprise appearance at Saskia's sixth birthday party. And for the record,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Matt was at the party and posted about it on
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: his Instagram. It was the second time in two months
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that Rhys posted photos with Wolf and Saskia. And this
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: appearance with his children also coincided with rumours of his
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: own breakup with his wife, London.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a month earlier, London appeared without her wedding
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: rings on Instagram. And Super Sluice also spotted that they
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: hadn't engaged with each other's social media content for months
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and had unfollowed each other. So it wasn't really a
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: very good look that suddenly Rhys wasn't with London. and
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: he was visiting his kids. It made it seem like
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: London had stopped him from visiting them, which I'm not
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: saying is the case at all, but just the optics
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: weren't good at all.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: And it really seemed like Rhys was trying to restore
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: his reputation as a father because in a deleted comment,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: a follower remarked on Rhys's absence to which he replied,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not an absent dad. Can you please stop saying that?
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And reading that at the time, it made it seem
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like Reese was purposely sharing his kids again online as
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: an attempt to quieten the critics.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Now, just back to Tammy. So in September, she added
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: further fuel to the breakup rumors when she dyed her
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: famous blonde hair red.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: We all know that when a girl makes a dramatic
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: hair transformation, something is going down. The relationship is not good.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: either that or you're postpartum. And she was postpartum at
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the time. That's true.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: But despite this dramatic hair change, Tammy and Matt were
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: photographed together that weekend at the Burley Festival with their
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: daughter Posey, as well as Wolf and Saskia.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they looked really happy. They picked up a box
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of oysters. They were eating ice cream. The Daily Mail
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: published some terribly suggestive photos of Tammy Hambro eating ice cream.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, those bloody pricks. And Matt was actually
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: at the festival running a food stall for his now
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: defunct restaurant with Ollie Frost, my man. Isn't that just
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a blast from the past? It was noted though that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Tammy wasn't wearing her engagement ring and there wasn't much
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: PDA coming from the couple. They did go to time
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: zone after and documented that on their Instagram story. However,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: despite all of this, Tammy didn't share a Father's Day
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: post about Matt on his first Father's Day. And to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: make matters worse, Tammy's best friend, Isabel Laws, and Matt
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: stopped following each other on Instagram. Isabel Laws always seems
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to be the one that goes, no, don't have time
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: for you anymore. And just a week after their public outing,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Tammy followed in her best friend's footsteps and unfollowed Matt
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: on Instagram as well.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So it's almost more telling when her best friend unfollows
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the guy that maybe it's actually officially over because Tammy
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: will just unfollow her boyfriends constantly.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: If Isabel Laws is still unfollowing them, it's not a
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: good sign. Matt also was spotted celebrating the NRL grand
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: final in Sydney without Tammy. And then he attended a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Harbour cruise party rather than attending Tammy's fitness app event.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: He also didn't support the event on his social channels.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It just seems like deja vu with everything that's gone
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: down with Matt Sikowsky recently.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: It really does. And in December of 2022, the Daily
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Mail claimed Tammy told a makeup artist on a photo
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: shoot that it was tough being a single mother of three. Apparently,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: she explained that she had to bring Posey on set
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: with her because she'd split from Matt. And then in
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: January 2023, it was widely reported that they had broken
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: up with both removing each other from their social media
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: accounts again.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And a couple of months later in March, Tammy replied
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to a comment on TikTok asking, what happened with Matt?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And she wrote, some people are just not meant to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: be together, no matter how hard they try. We're much
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: better as friends, not that it's anyone's business. She also
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: responded to a fan asking why Matt wasn't in her
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: YouTube video writing, that's just part of my life I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: choosing not to share anymore. And out of respect for
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: everyone and for my kids, I just don't feel like
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I need to give an explanation.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Now, if we fast forward to May, all eyes were
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: on Tammy's son Wolf's birthday to see if Reese Hawkins
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: would show up and he didn't disappoint. So Tammy's sister
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Emily shared a video to her Instagram story of Reese
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: and Tammy chowing down on burgers together.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: This was crazy to see. particularly because of the timing
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of this reunion between them because they were both seemingly single.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And there were sort of flirty vibes between the two
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of them. I think people were hoping that they might
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: get back together.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: And it also seemed like he'd gotten the green light
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: from Tammy's family, the fact that it was Emily sharing
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the photo of them together.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was like, mum and dad. Like she
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: was sort of shipping the relationship, I suppose, as well.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And this resulted in a lot of people praising both
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Rhys and Tammy for their co-parenting and getting along so
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: well for their children's sake.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Now, at around the same time the video of Tammy
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: and Reese emerged, Matt Paul made a snarky remark on
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: his Instagram. So he shared a photo of him posing
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: on a balcony and someone commented saying he should use
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the photo for an online dating profile. He replied, I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: don't need Tinder. I'm happy with the new upgrade with
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a wink emoji face. Now, the backlash was swift, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Matt claimed it was just a joke and he was
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: on good terms with Tammy. He wrote, calm your speculation.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: The upgrade has nothing to do with what you were thinking.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: The mother of our child and I are fine. I'm
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: single and certainly not miserable. Matt went on to claim
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that the original commenter was a mate who sold him
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: a surfboard. The joke is the new board is my
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: upgrade and I don't need Tinder, a dating app. Mind blown.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It just goes to show you can't read into every comment.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the tone and the context isn't there.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the punctuation isn't there either. There's like spelling errors apparently,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: which lead people to think or read too much into things.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Now, I swear the influencers don't know what an apostrophe is.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I get so annoyed about it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. You get very triggered by things like that. Now,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: in July of 2023, Matt Paul Hard launched his new girlfriend,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Maddie Woodward. He shared a selfie of the pair cuddling
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: on his Instagram story. And this was just months after
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: he and Tammy broke up.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So the photo showed them relaxing at the beach. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: moments after the news broke, Tammy shared a video of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: her and her sister Ava miming to a song about
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: seeing your ex with a new woman. So the song
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was called Angel Eyes and it's sung by the cast
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of Mamma Mia. Here we go again. And the lyrics say,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: One night I was taking a walk along a river
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: when I saw him together with a young girl. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the look that he gave me gave me shivers because
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: he always used to look at me that way. Now
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they filmed this video while they were holidaying in Positano.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: As you can imagine, everyone went nuts and said that
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: she was trying to throw shade at Matt Paul and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: his new young girlfriend. Tammy came out and denied the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: video and said that she'd actually sent herself the viral
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: song and had planned to mime to it when they
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: were in Italy. Let's hear more of what she said.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: As per usual, everything I post, like people think it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: directed at someone, it's shade at someone or it's some
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: hidden secret meaning behind it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Not.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: To me, TikTok is just TikTok. You'll never, ever, I
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: can assure you, you will never see me posting something
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: directed at someone or being shady.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: That is just not who I am.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I'm too focused on my own life to even be
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: aware of what's going on in other people's lives, let alone.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Like, look at this view.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Look at where I am.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Do you actually think she was throwing shade?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: LAUGHTER Now, in April of 2024, Tammy broke her silence
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: on her breakup with Matt Paul during an interview with
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Mia Friedman on her podcast, No Filter. When asked if
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: there's been anything she's wanted to share but hasn't, Tammy
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: said her breakup with Matt Paul. She said the reason
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: why she didn't talk about it publicly was because she
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: felt like a failure, having two failed engagements involving children. Now,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: as Soph and I discussed in the first episode of
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: this series, Tammy also touched on her breakup with Matt
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Paul briefly in her book, saying that it had left
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: her devastated. And she wrote that ultimately her and Matt
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: weren't meant to be. And while she wanted it to work,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: it was beyond her control. She then said this.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into the ins and outs
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of our relationship. Obviously, we're human. We're not perfect. We
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: have ups and downs like everybody else. I just wanted
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to let you guys know that we're not currently together.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that we just gave up.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Like most people would know, there's a lot more to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it when it comes to relationships. They're very complex. We
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: love each other very much and we're always going to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: be a family no matter what.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Our kids come first.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Their health and their happiness are always going to be
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: my number one priority.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: It's interesting to compare how Tammy dealt with her breakup
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: with Matt Poole compared to her most recent breakup now
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: with Matt Zukowski. She was so private about it. She
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: didn't even want to admit that they weren't together anymore.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And it seemed like the easiest thing for her to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: do was just to pretend it wasn't happening. It's so
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: interesting that that was the strategy behind it. And it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: kind of worked because Matt moved on, Tammy moved on.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: They now have this really good co-parenting relationship with Posey.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And Posey can look back and go, oh, okay, my
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: mom and dad didn't fight it out in the headlines.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I think the fact that they had
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: a baby involved makes this breakup very different to a
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: breakup with Matt.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Now, after all of that, it seemed like we were
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: set to get the best reality TV series, but alas,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it never eventuated. In an interview in 2024, Emily Hembrough
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: revealed that her family pulled the pin on the reality
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: show after seeing how they were portrayed in the pilot.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So she complained that they made the family look so
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: bad and it was fake drama. She said, I feel
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: like my family has authentic drama and problems that are
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: really relatable. And I don't know, I don't think we
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: needed the fake kind of stuff. Now, Emily didn't name
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the network in case it breached their agreement. I have
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to say that I think this network, whoever it was,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: has completely fumbled this deal. It is a travesty that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: we will not be seeing Matt Poole proposing to Tammy
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Hembrough and all of the manufactured drama go down. It
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: does seem like the reality show might not totally be
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: off the cards because just recently the Hembrough sisters were
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: on a press tour for the launch of their supplement
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: brand and they were asked by the Daily Telegraph about
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a potential career shift into reality TV. And Tammy responded saying,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: if we did anything, it would be obviously like real.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And she went on to say, I feel like it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: not something we wouldn't do. Let's just leave it at that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Now, Amy said that the show would have
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to be right and authentic to them. She said, we
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want it to be drama focused. And you know, like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: What a lot of stuff is out there. Emily added,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it's not off the books. So this has got me thinking.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I think a streaming service like Netflix or Prime has
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: come to Tammy Hembrough and said, we want to make
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a docu-series about you, similar to the one that Molly
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: May has just done. And it's not manufactured drama. It's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: following you around and sharing your side of things. Given
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that Tammy has just broken up with Matt Sikowsky, it
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: is the absolute perfect timing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Well, it would just be the Australian Molly May, wouldn't it?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: It would be framed like that, coming fresh off the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: back of a breakup. I mean, I'm hoping that then
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Tammy wouldn't end up back with Matt like Molly's ended
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: up with Tommy.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: No.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Now that is where we are going to leave things today.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Next week, we're taking you back to the start of
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough and Matt Sikowsky's brief but controversial love story.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Thank you again for listening to this
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: special deep dive series on Tammy Hembrough. This podcast was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Kaurna people of
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.