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Digital Soul Harvesting · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty lady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of, I guess I am on this track of soul harvesting and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be honest with you, but, you know, here we are again, and it's another contraption of soul harvesting in a different aspect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like I said, I don't know why I'm being drawn to this, but I am right now, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm loving it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in this idea, as we walk towards this new dawn of technological age, we are essentially starting to blur the lines of life itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in regard to the soul harvesting aspect of this episode, it's not exactly in the form of the Biblical standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more, it kind of be considered the harvesting of your consciousness, which is currently being referred to as digital soul harvesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting because the belief runs down this rabbit hole of everything we do digitally like every keystroke, selfie, biometric scan, VR session is just more and more data that we are contributing to this new era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird when you think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's literally a fragment of like people are viewing it as every keystroke, everything that we do
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[SPEAKER_00]: is giving this digital era a fragment of ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which we don't, like, I don't think we consciously realize how much we put on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Until we start thinking about how much we put on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, oh, yeah, I phrase that I found that's like beautifully written in regards to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Putting fragments of our self out there, a pixelated chart of our soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what's being put out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To an extent, there's a new trend on TikTok, right, where people are posting their astrological charts and say, hey, do any, like, astrology, girlies, can you tell me what my chart means?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like legit people in the metaphysical world saying, stop doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop putting that out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop giving that to everyone on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like your your metaphysical social security card you're putting out there like it is it is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Significant to you and you alone and you're just putting it out there for anybody to take and use laden or it which could fall into this too depending on how like How far this thing goes and like what avenues it goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's crazy man when you really start to to ponder on it's it's it's scary because
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[SPEAKER_00]: If everything that we're doing online is essentially creating a profile of our innermost self, not just to predict our behaviors, but replicate them, contain them and possibly imprison it within a synthetic realm after we die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not even die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But all of this could potentially run down roads like creepyposses that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of us have heard, I thoroughly enjoy creepypasta's and scary stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've heard stories where your loved one dies, a company contacts you and is like, hey, based upon your wife's internet profile, we were able to create a digital version of your wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're allowing you to have the phone conversation with your wife essentially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That conversation takes place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ran out of minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you got a. Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like like a hair episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that could be even pushed even farther to where in the future that digital consciousness that is was created gets placed within a robot, which could be a form of soul transfer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the topic itself is kind of this twofold system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It touches on ancient fears like the self, the thing that makes us us can essentially be stolen enslaved and replicated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Through many cultures, you have fears and myths of the soul being stolen and even possession.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Examples of the nostalgic archives, which we kind of talked about in the, you know, the moon is a soul trap episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it even goes through where there are old stories of fairies that have carried off human essence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of the, like, we have essentially ancient history, so to speak, of ways that the soul has been stolen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a more modernized version of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It taps into constant unease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all have with modern technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know essentially that modern technology is getting out of control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we accept it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we accept it because, you know, one of the main reasons is convenience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Convenience will be the death of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We constantly rationalize all of it as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because guys like Steve and I, we have been aware that our information is logged and collected for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people still view that as highly conspiratorial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not collected my data.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not intercepted my pictures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, that thumbprint and facial scan on my phone isn't doing anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That if that's not going
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that's bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hundred percent bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention that technology has been so integrated into our day-to-day lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unavoidable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost a hundred percent avoidable, unavoidable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've gone as far as getting rid of landlines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the way that our working hours are logged, the way that our checks are deposited, almost to every, I mean, think about you go to the store now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very few people pay with cash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all digital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when I worked a DB shanker, that's how we, that's how we clocked in with our fingerprints.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That way people couldn't clock somebody else in and right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is like, it is crazy how much we share in those aspects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't even think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like like logging into my MacBook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we need to do finger print.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying you don't even think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then essentially every device, which is almost everything that is connected to the internet, all of that has access to be stolen and collected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it even goes, it even goes further into like these weird trends where like, oh, scan your face and we'll make you show you what you look like as a child or scan your face and we'll show you what you're going to look like in fifty years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you don't think that's a little sauce, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it absolutely is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this theory that we're kind of venturing around the core idea of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: human consciousness or aspects of can be captured, stored and manipulated through digital means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said earlier, maybe not in the biblical sense, but more in this energetic emotional and behavioral data that essentially makes up a person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something I was thinking about too, how often we look to the internet and machines for essentially answers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know for a fact that most are not the most honest and finding the truth is getting harder and harder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the overall point to this is that I'll bet that we've all for a lack of better words have crossed some lines with the internet, like asking questions that we wouldn't want anybody to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are searching up things that we definitely don't want people to know, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in a way, it's almost like interesting someone with all of our dirty little secrets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some quite literally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention, all the access we give to computers to our personal lives, passwords, finances, locations, family, pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything about us as a human race collectively,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is being funneled into a digital world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Smart TV is Alexa's smart watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're even monitoring your heart rates at all times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They know when you sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They know what direction you're laying in when you sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's scary that we're so in tune with letting them do that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, might as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it all comes at like the this nonchalant cost toss where with convenience is king.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so integrated that we overlook the boundaries to get crossed every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, if you, if a member of the government was going to say, Kyle, I'm going to come and I'm going to sit in your house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to sit in your living room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to listen to everything you and your wife talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to monitor everything you do on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be watching you over your shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to show you about the catch of mean backhand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're fucked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when it's not an actual person sitting there, we're cool with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll log on the smart TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll we'll put these fucking listening devices in our in our houses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: let every keystroke and every key log be be collected and we just keep doing it and there's there's tons of like little hidden gems and all these electronics to because we've had plenty of information about how countries like China will put things in their vacuum cleaners that connect your Wi-Fi and that feeds off yep information to China
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one that I've always found crazy interesting, and it's simply a man that was able to manipulate the construction of the iPhone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He came up with, I believe, software to where you set your iPhone on its side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You put it in picture mode and say, let's take this like panoramic picture all by itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a big group of people that doesn't fit in the camera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This app will take that picture, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what it what it does actually is it uses the iPhones vibrate function.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it is able to manipulate that to actually what you laid the camera down on a hard surface it vibrates in a way that actually rotates the camera and takes a panoramic picture that way that is ridiculous crazy right so think about how much is in modern technology that is able to be manipulated
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[SPEAKER_00]: like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my robot vacuum literally maps out the blue prints of my house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as easily kid like you connected to a phone that's connected to networks and Wi-Fi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have phones and you have smartwatches and you have fit bits and things that monitor how long you're in a room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How much time you spend in this room?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How much time you spend in that room?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What like and they can easily pick out like what room you're doing what in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's bunkers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you take all of that and you look to these theories that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That when all this information is captured, it could be used for things like cloning us into a digital consciousness, feeding it to AI or nonhuman intelligence and using it for control and predictive programming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people are leaning toward the idea that data is essentially, like an energetic signature for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've said already, every post, every photo, search, biometric scan is a piece of your personality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So over time, with all this access, the AI can map your values, fears, and desires, which, in a way,
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[SPEAKER_00]: could be considered building a sold profile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Things like wearables, smartwatches, neurolinks, these things are theorized to slowly sink with your brain's unique electromagnetic patterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people claim that your vibrational signature can be uploaded through this technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have an idea about the digital afterlife trap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which suggests that when you die, it may be possible for your consciousness to be intercepted by a simulation network, which is just sounds fucking terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll forever mention this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a, this was a bizarre point in my paranormal journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you talk about the consciousness possibly being linked to your soul and the siphoning of your consciousness?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll forever point to an interview that was on the Confessional Podcast with Tony Merkel, the CEO of random Nanakos on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was actively talking about how they were actively trying to figure out how to break into the human consciousness, like it was some type of Wi-Fi signal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I remember he made some offhand comment about a cult as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, but I'll never forget that how he was like, yeah, where we're like, we're figuring out how to tap into human consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which that's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you break the brain down into like its base form, it's just like electrical impulses and waves, which probably isn't that hard to crack into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get it dialed in, I think it has been done is being done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if if his company's doing it, you know, he's not the only company doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, he's just the one that's on the precipice of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, he was dumb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dumb enough wanted to come by publicly and say that this is what I'm doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So from there, you could make the question, maybe we're not in a simulation quite yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're rapidly expanding to one, which bare minimum, I feel like we could all agree on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are definitely headed toward a, currently we're heading toward a era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of like ready player one, where people are being prepared for a digital world, like a VR world or augmented reality, we're able to put on, you know, ahead, a headset, and then we're in this digital world where we can now become anyone, do anything, and they're already, they've already talked about creating
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[SPEAKER_00]: essentially digital jobs where you can make a digital currency that may, you know, work in a Facebook marketplace area and it creates an economy within this digital world and more and more people will partake in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy that that's reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is that it's a hundred percent reality and it's it is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts because like I said, it'll just come down to convenience then because now nasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to leave my house to go to my job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to put a headset on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to leave your house at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just put my headset on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get your paycheck and you spend it in Facebook marketplace and it'll be delivered to your front door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's just it's almost like it's almost like it's feeding into that cycle of
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[SPEAKER_01]: loneliness and solitude and depression, like making us disconnect from other people as much as we possibly can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, but at the same time, how do they sell all this as social connection?
24:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's connection, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I never really thought about until you just kind of laid that out, but they sell it as connecting.
25:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But what would be the purpose of all this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, why would companies and governments want to tap into this consciousness?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One overarching possibility is that they are resource harvesting using consciousness as a kind of fuel or processing power for artificial intelligence and or nonhuman entities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So roll that around in your head for just a quick second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Extremely terrifying.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have this possibility that our consciousness could be stolen and used as a processing power for an artificial intelligence unlike anything we've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've we've all heard the reference that our our brains best super computer best super computer ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can't even come up with anything close to matching it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the second aspect of what I just said is a little more terrifying to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that our consciousness could be harvested for nonhuman intelligences, which in recent years, we've heard that phrase several times, nonhuman intelligences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, in my opinion, is a direct reference to AI or the possibility of extraterrestrial slash interdimensional beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you take that in conjunction with the fact that we know throughout history, governments, world governments have made deals with extraterrestrials and maybe even interdimensional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even AI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I don't know, I mean, the whole thing is so weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My brain is just kind of churning in on itself here thinking about all this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's bizarre to take in and digest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we don't, we don't really know what human consciousness is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was just going to say, like, what is that a fragment of the soul?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the soul?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What makes
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our consciousness human, if it can be harvested and digitally stored on like in in the digital realm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't a digital one just be created.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you would maybe just that does that hold the same validity that a soul or a consciousness holds that would be the part of this that's up for a stream debate because you have an era that we've all been living that is so based the the religious soul that we all know right but like you said like
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are bill like the brain operates with a like a computer almost right.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said with the impulses and the electromagnetic and all this shit can influence brain and fuck with it.
28:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But that could be like you said that could be copied and placed digitally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in a weird way, it is us.
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's all copied, it's exactly what I was thinking.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like, like, how?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you differentiate that?
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you differentiate?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you can take an AI program and perfectly copy my
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[SPEAKER_01]: my everything, my thought process, my moral compass, my religious point of views, just the whole thing, if you can just make an exact copy and put it into the digital realm, or put it into AI, or put it into an AI advanced robot, does that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that now have a soul?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's exactly the same thing that I'm running with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It is weird.
29:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would have a split camp on that debate, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There will be people that say, like it's human-based.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A soul has to be
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's almost a very uniquely human thing to have a soul.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if... I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What point does human created consciousness?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's the gray area?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where does it stop at?
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so... It's such a weird...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if it can be harvested from me like what what makes my soul can be taken from me and put it into put into something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that cancel out my soul?
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was looking at it out of way of if you're in and so right now in this conversation just to be clear for everybody listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're using loosely soul and consciousness and almost conjunction with itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, it's in a framework of they're both kind of the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my point to all that is if you're able to siphon off, like if I'm able to siphon off your consciousness to say feed an AI supercomputer,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you able to run out of said consciousness?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it isn't forever refilling?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you want to get really weird with it now, my brain's kind of chucking down this road.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's assume, okay, so what, like, I'll lay out a scenario for you and tell me if it kind of hits because it's kind of fucking my brain enough right now.
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's assume that there is some type of artificial entity out there that we are siphoning human consciousness towards to make it more powerful, or maybe it's doing it on its own, whatever the case may be there.
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: What if human consciousness does have a shelf life and it can be drained?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when it is drained,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That has unknown to us created the NPCs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just just going to say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just think about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Consciousness, in my opinion, and maybe I'm off here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the way my brain's running is that consciousness in a way could almost be attributed to creativity.
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And you hear that in the argument of the NPC thing where people, you could say, hey, Steve, I want you to envision a white dove city on a red ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you make and do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are people out there that cannot do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They cannot, they cannot mentally visualize anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have no internal dialogue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are times, we all know what an internal dialogue is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where we almost have a conversation with our inner self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people out there that cannot and have not ever done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going down that route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, could this be an explanation for the NPCs of the backdrop people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like Dolores Cannon talked about where she, she can't lock into someone's essence, someone's life source, someone's soul, someone's consciousness.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's, there's few people she runs into that are just void.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are just empty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could this be victims of this,
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[SPEAKER_01]: soul harvesting, be it digitally, be it physically, or could it be something beyond that?
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Could they be like created containers to put digital, lead created AI consciousness into to integrate into the human population?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is gross when you consider the human soul by itself, because the human soul is often looked at like a a shard, essentially a shard of God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The soul was like a shard of God that he places within us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a code to create life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's gross when you were at that way, almost like these people are being biologically created as the container, which you could take a digital soul and put that spark within this biological container to give it, you know, sentience and what it means to be a human essentially, which is disturbing us fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because who was it that said that humans are sole containers as a bobbles are yeah let's are which kind of makes you wonder
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: like are they soul containers for what we consider souls like like you said like the religious concept of of a soul are we soul containers for for extra terrestrial consideration of the soul that they put into us are we soul containers for this AI digital god that's putting souls inside of us like there there are so many avenues that that could go like the word soul container is
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how would you know the difference as a person?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We never would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the fucked up part as we never would.
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you hear all those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like obviously through religion you feel like your soul is connected to God.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you hear soul containers in the UFO realm and you think that
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the soul is, is some sort of like life source and energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: An energy that the extraterrestrials are very, very much interested in.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you go beyond that, you start hearing, talk about a AI digital god out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could also, apparently, create digital consciousness, digital souls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that could be manipulated into human bodies, like to, I don't, like, even for what to get us out, to get out there and into like the public, I don't know, it's weird.
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's strange.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
36:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's strange.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So moving on a little bit, another reason something like this could be taking place is kind of what we would all expect from it is a control aspect.
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've stated earlier, we put a lot of personal things into the internet and computer systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's able to learn everything about us like our fears, our desires, and my opinion, and I know it'll be Steve's opinion, that my friends is right for manipulation, under control and blackmail are now a hundred percent on the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you sprinkle in AI on top of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, AI would be smarter enough to corrupt, for example, a good man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A man that would never do anything horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: AI at that point could generate incriminating photos to place on his phone or his computer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because this is a good righteous man, he would never want that to be released into the world.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: because he may know that even though they're fake, it doesn't mean shit if it's blown up all over the place and everybody believes that it's real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it could come out later and be proven fake, but his life would still be ruined.
37:52
[SPEAKER_00]: The same could be said with relationships, altering text messages, making them, you know, for someone without even knowing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that these systems already exist.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: because here lately, I've actually been purging my social medias, going through them.
38:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been noticing a lot of strange things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I notice how there are a lot of accounts on my Instagram that I have not followed at all.
38:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fucked up thing about it is, is these accounts will never have a post in my feed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like they're manipulating
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[SPEAKER_00]: to get me as a quote unquote follower, but some some mechanism within this software is preventing anything they post to show up on my feeds, so they remain undetected by me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could add that they're digital number.
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's straight up manipulation is what that is.
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope people are keeping tally of how many times I say it's weird because
39:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know how else to explain.
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what else to say about it.
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's bizarre that these things happen.
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And on the surface, they don't feel like that strange.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, maybe it's a little hiccup in the software.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's some sort of glitch, you know, but I feel like there's there's a much more purpose and probably nefarious isms behind stuff like that.
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I agree.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
39:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some's mundane, but some of it is definitely nefarious.
39:34
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Another reason something like this could be taking place.
39:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a fun one.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The powers that be are running immortality experiments.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I when you first said that the title of the show, I immediately thought of digital immortality.
39:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like the opposite of
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[SPEAKER_01]: chirogenics, chirogenic freezing.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where you keep the body intact until there's a way to to resurrect, whereas this way you keep the consciousness intact until you find another body, be it digitally, be it physically, be it robotically, however, however, you want it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is like almost
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: the opposite of physical immortality.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And to be clear, I do believe that digital immortality is the end game for humanity.
40:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that humanity will essentially evolve digitally slash robotically.
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: like a cyborg world, like a cyborg, yeah, hundred percent.
40:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Because human, human bodies while very resilient are very expendable.
40:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't age well.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We break down quick.
41:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We are susceptible to all sorts of illnesses.
41:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they can, which right now, right now they're making a lot of fucking money on.
41:15
[SPEAKER_01]: because we're worth a lot more sick than we are healthy.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's hands down.
41:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think once it gets to a certain point, like they're not gonna have a choice, but to kind of go that route, kind of integrate in almost like a cyborg world.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And think about that too, like on a grand scale.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's run a scenario of like a pandemic.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a bad one that essentially annihilates the planet.
41:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the elites in this scenario have already digitally uploaded their minds and consciousness into an AI interface, whatever.
42:03
[SPEAKER_00]: right so they're prepped they think they're they'll just say they're prepped they're ready for their biological body to fail right well in my opinion aside like and I know it could be done but I feel like there would be glitches to it more so but the point is is
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[SPEAKER_00]: say you've got a fifteen hundred elites and so now it's fifth humanity has been reduced to fifteen hundred people how if if the rest of humanity hasn't uploaded their minds how do you create humanity again right i feel like there's a that's a problem you could write
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: algorithms to fill cyborgs to create these store shop owners and shit like that.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would be like a video game.
43:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Sims.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hundred percent.
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not humanity.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: However, through X amount of years of collecting everyone on the planet's data, you could essentially recreate humanity.
43:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, right.
43:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Even with all of our biological bodies have now moved on, but the AI has all of our digital consciousness there.
43:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So it could essentially recreate Kyle again and Steve again and places in synthetic life forms.
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's kind of in a weird way we continue life.
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They monitor, like they have, they have the ability to monitor everything.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I know our eating habits, they know when we, or like, what we order for a grocery take on medical records.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Medical records, what we order on online menus, they know like the weird porn habits and shit, like they know everything about us.
44:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: down to a T and think about thinking about how often like sometimes you meet will text and we're expressing are like essentially a moral compass and yeah and all of that's what's going wrong in our lives what what sets us off what makes us sad like it's everything all it's everything and it would be easy
44:30
[SPEAKER_01]: to like at a certain point, it would be easy to create a copy of all the things that make me tick.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They make me Steve and put it in to another body as Steve.
44:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be crazy is just like thinking about it right now.
44:55
[SPEAKER_00]: if they took Steve Algorithm and placed it into like a synthetic vocal box that just gave me a random voice, but it had everything that everything like you.
45:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I would still feel hollow, right?
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this AI Steve is hollow.
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: However, now imagine that same scenario, let's say I get a phone call from digital, dopper, gangler, Steve,
45:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I would know the difference.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if it was exact your exact voice, your mannerisms, your vote, all of it.
45:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't know the difference.
45:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, or even if it was, even if it was a text interface.
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Going back and forth.
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Think of how much we communicate via text.
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And like we know each other's mannerisms.
45:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when we're talking, like I can tell when Kyle's having a bad day, just via text message.
45:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we communicate that way.
45:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would be so hard you wouldn't be able to tell difference.
45:55
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's terrifying.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It is terrifying.
46:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It is terrifying.
46:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea of transferring our minds to synthetic bodies is kind of out there.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an out there thought process.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for the fact that I found examples of people trying to figure this out publicly for quite some time now.
46:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve kind of mentioned it before.
46:20
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a idea of essentially cryogenics and there is a, I think there's a company called cryonics and future revival, which would be the idea that individuals are your essentially demolition man in it.
46:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You're being frozen with the intent that in the future technology will catch up and they will be able to revive you.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Once we are in the future, we get that technology.
46:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Still a lot of downsides to that, because biologically we will still fail at some point.
46:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But you also have several companies.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to name them all, but this one in particular was interesting to me.
47:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They're walking this field of biohacking.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of companies are running trials.
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I found one in twenty twenty with this woman named Liz Parrish.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the CEO of BioViva.
47:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were taken Jean Therapy, uh, jeans and injecting them into human subjects, including herself.
47:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I read a little bit about the experiment and it's fucking weird because it sounds familiar.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So check this out.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: There was an interview.
47:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, well, first before we get into that, the company's plans is to reverse aging by twenty thirty three.
47:53
[SPEAKER_00]: They are funding genomics.
47:58
[SPEAKER_00]: aerodynamics, regenerative medicine, nurture, something or another nanotechnology in our official intelligence.
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're getting their figures into every aspect of essentially immortality or bare minimum program prolonging life.
48:18
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one person that did get the treatment that I was kind of referenced in earlier.
48:24
[SPEAKER_00]: said they were that it was a fucked up thing because you paid for the the trial it was non-refundable no matter what you had to go to Mexico to do it because obviously it was probably legal here in the United States and they got there they're like there was no like
48:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Check in, oh, talking with the doctor, no nothing.
48:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You went in the room, sat down.
48:49
[SPEAKER_00]: There were so many of their holding two syringes.
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them, they shove up your nose, squirted in there, which vaguely reminds me of the C-One Nine shit that we all went through.
49:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And the person even said, it felt like it was being pumped directly into their brain.
49:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Coming to find out, it's exactly what happens.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They were given two surrenders of anti-aging genes that those genes were hooked to a virus that would deliver it all to your brain.
49:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Another example, this one is probably the most interesting and the most relative to what we're talking about.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something out there called the twenty forty-five initiative.
49:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever heard of that Steve?
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't think so.
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep telling me about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was founded by Dimitri It's Cough in Russia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It proposes a multi-stage path from robot bodies to consciousness simulations, where someone's personality could be transferred to non-biological carriers.
50:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not heard about that.
50:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
50:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I assume they're a little off their road because they wanted it because I believe the twenty forty five initiative started in twenty eleven.
50:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Now by twenty fifteen to twenty twenty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted a avatar controlled by a brain computer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By twenty twenty five they wanted an autonomous life support system for the human brain that would be linked to a robot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In between twenty thirty to twenty thirty five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were wanting a computer model of the brain and human consciousness with the means to transfer into an artificial carrier.
50:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And then by twenty forty five having a new era of humanity with holographic bodies.
50:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposedly currently right now.
50:58
[SPEAKER_00]: From the information that I read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are taking pre-orders on said devices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anywhere from three to ten million dollars and have a tour.
51:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, nice.
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of us, Johnny Q. Publix out here, just gonna have to let the elites harvest our consciousness to do whatever they want with, sell it to the goddamn aliens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you rich, you get to pick your own avatar before you go, which is
51:34
[SPEAKER_01]: How is this real life?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How much do you have to trust your own shit to inject yourself with your own anti-aging
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[SPEAKER_01]: virus clean on yeah right into the brain right up the nose because she said she did it to herself yeah yeah she like Cudos to her for standing ten toes down on her shit put her money where I'm out this but how much do you have to trust that that's like some some Bruce Banner shit there yeah right like the consequences of that could be very dire it's crazy
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, you could have been taken out by that.
52:19
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, fuck it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting rid of him die trying.
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, you know, all of this sounds fucking nuts, but roll by the clock.
52:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I want it to be nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that it's like on the precipice of reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's been reality for a long time because you roll, you roll backwards into some old occult stuff.
52:46
[SPEAKER_00]: There is this vessel concept in ritual magic, alchemy, and necromancy.
52:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have a line of preparing a vessel for a spirit or soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A good example of this would be columns from Jewish mysticism, or Egyptian cost statues that are used to house a soul after death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the sense of uploading a mind or AI personality mapping, which is creating a digital twin that is becoming the vessel and send us synthetic gallum carrying a replicated essence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We also hear about loose farming, which comes from Robert Monroe apparently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For those that don't know, it's the idea that our loose or life force energy is being harvested by higher beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is linked with technology through the algorithms, which we are essentially harvesting our attention at emotions that itself could be considered energy farming.
53:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We also have old-world examples of soul transference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The opening of the mouth ceremony, this was an ancient Egyptian scenery and temple ritual to restore the senses and spiritual vitality of a deceased person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they believed that in order for the soul to thrive in the afterlife, the body or its representation had to be ritually reanimated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Without this, the person would be mute, blind, and powerless in the next world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By opening the mouth, nose, and eyes, the priests were symbolically restoring the senses, allowing the spirit to speak, breathe, see, and eat in eternity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just as the Egyptians prepare a body or statue as a receptive vessel for the soul, modern theories use AI avatars or digital substrates, which are serving the same role in preserving the identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ancient spells could function like software routines, restoring capacities in enabling survival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You also have the testament of Solomon, Solomon has given a magical ring that allows him to summon, bind, and command spirits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, transferring spirits into objects, which suggest using a divine key or tool to relocate a soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The book of Abraham, a German grimoire, gives a eighteen-month ritual on how to gain knowledge and conversation with one the guardian angel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this text, though, it has methods for compelling and reassigning spirits and in some interpretations, a lining one soul with another vessel or a form.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's another ancient form of soul transference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is all essentially like downloading your essence into another form into into this digital world.
55:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about earlier, the idea of the creepypasta, I actually found real world examples of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were parents that created an AI avatar of their child that had been deceased during the Parkland Pue time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also saw where people were using project December and creating AI simulations of deceased loved ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's disturbing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the real and in to the point of this people want this type of technology.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very emotionally driven, hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like they're banking on that a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the fact that I do in that with our emotions, it helps us rationalize all the things that are wrong with it.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost like we've been pre-programmed to believe that our souls
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[SPEAKER_01]: are specific to us, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have a very specific soul to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at all these old writings where souls can be transferred from one place to the next and they can be contained and they can be put here and now like it's not that far fetched to think that people in the in the scientific community now are looking at these old texts and looking at these old spells and mysticism and thinking man maybe there's something to that can we do this digitally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it almost leads credence to the saying that we are not people with souls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are just souls that like, we're not bodies with souls or souls with bodies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, it's not specific to Steve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Steve was just chosen to house this soul.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, it's hard to rewire your brain to think like that.
58:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
58:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we like to be, we like to be very significant.
58:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We like to be very personalized and our consciousness and our souls, we feel like make that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if, if we're not, if everything that we are is just a container for a soul, for this small, my new point in time, like it's hard to, it's counterintuitive for my brain to think that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really hard to process that.
58:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was tough going down.
58:34
[SPEAKER_01]: weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was also reading and saw that two men that worked for Microsoft, Gordon Bell and Jim Gray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were talking about digitizing people and they make it sound like it's really not that hard and almost essentially kind of already taking place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stating that retaining every conversation that a person has ever heard now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that was a typo or if that was legitimate because you would think that a conversation that a person has heard broadly expands the conversation database.
59:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, right.
59:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were saying that and this is what they this is what I read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll take it as this is what they said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Retaining every conversation that a person has ever heard would only take would take up less than a terabyte of storage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's insanity.
59:36
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the biggest hurdles is supposedly the speech or text recognition technologies, which I kind of feel like we're almost there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, I mean, does that include conversations like in movies?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then how would assume so?
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[UNKNOWN]: Which is fucking wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would assume so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another possibility is archiving and analyzing social internet used to map personalities.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_00]: By doing this for about a fifty-year span, it would be possible to model a society.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_00]: The societies culture their way of thinking and their interests.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Meritine Rothblatt envisions something called mind files, which is collections of data from all kinds of sources, pictures, conversations, online activity.
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently this software is being developed with the goal of generating conscious AI's.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_00]: This software would read a person's mind file and generate a mind clone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Richard Grandmorton, which I believe is a handle for someone, but he summarized the concept of digital immortality using an equation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sematic analysis plus social internet use plus artificial intelligence equals immortality.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_00]: American physicist Frank J. Tipler, who is an expert on general theory of relativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He presented this, uh, a mega point theory, which outlines resurrection of the dead could take place at the end of the cosmos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Humans will evolve into robots, which will turn the entire cosmos at that point into a supercomputer, which will shortly
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[SPEAKER_00]: before the big crunch performed the resurrection within cyberspace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will reconstruct formerly dead humans from information captured by the supercomputer from the past, or from the past, light cone of the cosmos as avatars within a metaverse.
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_00]: David Dutch, who is a British physicist, and pioneer in the field of quantum computing, also agrees with the Omega theory.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Italian physicist and computer scientist.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot say his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually presents the idea of quantum archaeology.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_00]: with suggests that reconstructing life thoughts, memories, and feelings of any person in the past, up to any desired level of detail, and thus resurrecting the original person, the copying, copying to the future.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are a lot of people out there who are way smarter than Steven I.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_00]: that believe this is going to be a possibility or it already is a possibility.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that people think that through quantum mechanics, whatever, quantum shit, you're going to be able to resurrect anyone at any given point in time is nuts.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just more humans like with the God complex, you know?
1:03:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a hundred percent.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm gonna be a, I'll be a hundred percent honest with you.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes sense for humanity to evolve, right?
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Every species evolves and strives for survival, right?
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Every species does it.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Every species wants to survive.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's encoded in all of us.
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Survival is encoded in us.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it makes sense for humanity to want to go to either a digital platform or even a mechanical cyborg, bio-mechanical transhumanist.
1:04:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that anything makes sense I'm not saying that I hundred percent agree with it, but I think overall as a species That is the path that we are inevitably on Yeah, I think it will eventually get there
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely think it's gonna get there.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know, with any given look, I think you and I are going to see that happen in our lifetime.
1:04:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be weird.
1:04:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it's a reality for all of us.
1:04:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I just... I really do.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like all of this stems from a very primal human
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_01]: instinct that like this life that we have is never enough.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
1:04:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, look, look at how we view the afterlife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We always want there to be something more.
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We want there to be something beyond this.
1:05:06
[SPEAKER_01]: The Egyptians did it.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They prep their dead for the better afterlife.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then you look at Christianity.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You're always taking steps toward heaven in the afterlife.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this, this what we exist in now can never be enough for people.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got it to the point to where they're taking it beyond that to a digital immortality realm, where when this life's over, you can continue this life.
1:05:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You can continue it in a different body.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You can continue it online.
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is never quite enough.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I agree with the idea that it's never enough.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that people are afraid because we don't know what's next.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I agree with that.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea that the light's just go out is I'll admit right now like the idea that one day I'll close my eyes and everything.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_00]: is gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything sees to exist.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember nothing.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I can and I do not continue on.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It is just game over plain and simple.
1:06:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a fucking terrifying thought.
1:06:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not even know it.
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I know, but like we know it right now.
1:06:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that alone drives
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, evolution to a immortality standpoint.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:06:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The the unknowingness of whatever comes after human existence, definitely is behind the wheel of all this.
1:06:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole another can of worms there.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
1:06:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like,
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but it is a it is a fear thing because we don't know we just know that as it stands right now it ends people don't come back right and I'm like like what sucks as we as you me get older I'm sure you kind of feel the same way like you have kids and stuff and
1:07:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You get to our age, which we're not old by any means, but you start to really realize how short life is.
1:07:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just keeps getting faster.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep getting faster, man.
1:07:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Every day, every day.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of scary, you know, that you're getting to a point in life where you're kind of on the downhill side.
1:07:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not a comfortable feeling.
1:07:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That snowball starts rolling the media second you enter this world.
1:07:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no stopping it until you until it stops.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And do this scary.
1:07:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you really sit and think about that, that's scary.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I know a lot of people would be against this digital evolution so to speak, but I think it's inevitable.
1:08:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going there.
1:08:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be honest with you, I don't know how I feel about it.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask you, as we're closing the show, if you had the opportunity to be digitalized, to be digitally immortal, to have your essence, what makes Kyle Kyle contained and
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_01]: contained for the possible future of you getting to be in another body, be it robotic, be it human, be it whatever, like you, you choose it, would you do it?
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I would want more information first.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I think information on that would be key.
1:08:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna, I wouldn't, I'll be honest, I would not rule it out.
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it makes you think like I wouldn't roll it out.
1:09:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes you wonder.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Because even as a digital thing or a mechanical synthetic life form, if you're still you,
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but my point is is you at some point you could still die like it could still happen.
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And so because that's everybody's conundrum with immortality, a lot of people anyway, not everybody is I think I think it's portrayed us as
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_00]: After a while, you just basically are like immortality sucks.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to not do.
1:09:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to die now, right?
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But they, they, they, they almost like proceed.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Also presented as like immortality is immortality.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't escape it.
1:10:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this scenario, this digital immortality, you, you, you can, fucking control, tweet that shit.
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say it could be easy to just shut it off.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:10:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
1:10:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be interested in it.
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think realistically, God's honest truth, if you were to ask the question and reframe it in the context of like the movie ready player one, if you, if I could digitally put myself into that universe,
1:10:34
[SPEAKER_00]: where I could essentially think about it as being in the most advanced RPG game ever.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I would probably be like, yeah, do that.
1:10:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do that because then I could go be a night and fight dragons where I could go be this over here and I could do this and I could do that.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I could have friends and I think that I would really, really, really, really consider that.
1:11:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people are going to fucking hate that, but it's a real moral quandary.
1:11:09
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of but kind of not like if we are our souls what matter what does it matter what what realm we exist in what body we exist in you know do do our soul stop existing just because this body dies right the energy life source stop existing just because this body gives out and for all you me know we could pass on and our soul essentially does go into a ready player one universe everything's positive no
1:11:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Just pose very existential question.
1:11:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of crazy to really roll it around.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that went a different, like, it had my head thinking differently than I thought it would when we first started.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, me too.
1:11:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I went into it with a very, uh, tunneled vision and like, kind of scatter shots as you dig around and play more and more and more.
1:12:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking, it was interesting, man.
1:12:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's your homework, Holocaust.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We're wrapping this up.
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_01]: If you had the opportunity to digitally immortalize your soul, to be brought back in any context whatsoever, be it in a video game scenario, be it in a cyborgs scenario, be it in another human body?
1:12:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you do that?
1:12:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And think in here, could that be considered reincarnation?
1:12:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say yes.
1:12:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say the only problem with that scenario is over time.
1:12:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would decensitize the things that make life worth living.
1:12:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because think about it on the scale of like a marriage.
1:12:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can just do it again in the next life.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it again on the next try.
1:12:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or like it would be.
1:13:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Get that way with everything.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be insignificant.
1:13:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I could be with my wife for forty years and then divorce her.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And whereas you and me right now, that's a, that's a big, big, big deal.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But in that form, it's really not that big of a deal because I live forever.
1:13:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just go marry somebody else later on.
1:13:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck it.
1:13:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's what makes us
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes our human consciousness very specific to us is that our time is very finite.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:13:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we only have at best like a hundred years to experience the human experience.
1:13:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:13:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And when that's done, we're done.
1:13:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we get.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:13:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes us scared.
1:13:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes us
1:13:54
[SPEAKER_01]: almost have to have to appreciate and take things in differently than if we had the opportunity to just hit reset and go again when it's over.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the one downside to it right there.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You would, yeah.
1:14:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what does, does that diminish us from like being human, being the human experience?
1:14:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it like?
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, like I could think about it as like how awesome it could be to be married to that person for five thousand years.
1:14:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
1:14:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it doesn't all have to be negative and shit.
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It just really, it honestly just comes down to the person.
1:14:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And the choices that you may have, yes.
1:14:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:44
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's chew on that hollow cold.
1:14:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy Monday.
1:14:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the existential crisis that we've just created in your brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out with us.
1:14:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely check us out our socials and hit us up in the comments of the socials and emails and stuff.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Let us know how you feel about digital immortality if something you would consider if offered up to you.
1:15:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird, and just remember they're collecting all your data to create a digital clone of your consciousness in your soul.
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You heard it here first, folks.