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Intelligent hauntings! That's what we're talking
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about on this episode of Paranormal Lens. Let's
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get intelligent, you guys, for the first time.
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I've never been intelligent in my life. We're
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not intelligent whatsoever. Actually, I was intelligent
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before college. I thought you were going to say
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before this podcast. You know what? I think you're
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right. I think my intelligence took a nosedive.
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I don't think I'm intelligent at all. Actually,
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that's not true. Everyone's intelligent in their
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own way. What's the topic? See, that's the thing.
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I'm not intelligent with remembering topics.
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But you can go on a whole show about the most
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obscure esoteric shit. Like owls. she's reading
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a book on erosicrucians now so it'll be interesting
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to go more in depth on i'm trying to it's just
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i feel guilty every single time i sit down and
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read when i should probably be doing school work
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or cleaning the apartment i feel guilty just
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doing anything that's on my own like anything
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that's fun whatsoever sounds like you need therapy
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We can talk about that more after this podcast.
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Welcome to our podcast, where we take deep dives
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looking at various topics through a paranormal
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lens. Okay, let's come back, guys, from the intro.
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Welcome back to this intervention, I mean, podcast
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episode. We left you on a cliffhanger last week,
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kind of saying we would talk more about intelligent
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hauntings this episode. That was already the
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plan. We just kind of veered towards that last
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topic unintentionally as these tend to go in
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directions we don't anticipate. So I kind of
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jumped in and cut everyone off and said, hey,
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this is our slated topic for next week. We talked
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about residual hauntings already through a wonderful
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metaphor of cheese and sandwiches. We use that
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to kind of frame our discussion. We sound like
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idiots. This is why we say we're not intelligent.
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None of us are intelligent. But we're stripping
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away the metaphors and we are doing this without
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a menu because we are really serious about intelligent
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hauntings. I'm seriously skeptical of them. Mic
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drop! get out of here leave get out of here leave
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no but do you guys believe in intelligent hauntings
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or am i the only one i think there are intelligent
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yeah i think there are like i don't know if i've
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what counts as an intelligent haunting though
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have you had a two -way communication with a
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ghost where i would say so yeah you have talked
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to a ghost and the ghost knows it is talking
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to you and has talked back to you Do they know
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it's talking to me? That's an intelligent communication.
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It's a two -way communication. When I'm talking
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to you, Angela, right now, we're engaging in
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discourse. You are aware of what's going on.
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You're an intelligent person. Yeah. I would say
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that I believe intelligent hauntings are a thing.
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Whether or not I have had an interaction with
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one, it is hard to say other than what we talked
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about at the last podcast with the spirit box
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session I did. Like I've said, ghost hunting,
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all equipment, everything is all theoretical.
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So it is hard to say whether or not something
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is intelligent. or not, based on our interactions
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with or without equipment. Yeah. Yes. I guess
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I have two main questions I want to get. One
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is, like... I just feel like it all depends...
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Sorry, I just want to... No, go ahead. Go ahead.
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Yes. I just feel like it all depends if it's
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an intelligent hunting, if... Like, you... still
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have a conscience when you die? Like, does the
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soul have a conscience? You know? That's a big
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question. That's a big question. So you think
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Angela... Don't you need to have a conscience
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to be intelligent? Do you think when the brain...
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Okay, so let's reel this in a little bit. When
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the brain stops, does... It's not about the brain.
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It's about the soul. But do you think the soul
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is separate from the bodily functions? The brain
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and the neurons. What's creating thought right
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now? What do you think is creating thought? The
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brain. Okay. But the soul may have an influence?
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I don't know how this works. I don't know. I
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need to think, right? I can't talk to you if
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I don't have brain function. I can't think. I
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can't process what you're saying and then formulate
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a response. So do you think they're independent,
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so to speak, so that when the brain stops, the
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soul or whatever you're using to define the spirit
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that you're communicating with, do you think
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it can still process information and retain information?
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Where does it retain that information? I guess
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the question is, what is a soul? I'm asking what
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is the brain? We're asking different questions.
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The brain is in your head. Okay. All the neurons.
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I'm not even attempting to answer the question
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of what is a spirit or what is a soul. I'm asking
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that thing, whatever it is, whatever that thing
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is, if you want to define it as a soul or define
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it as a ghost. whatever it is, when a brain stops,
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can it still retain information and think? That's
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a big question. But it's less daunting. I'm so
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totally zoned out. I'm not repeating that. It
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was way too much for my brain to process, and
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I'm like, gone. So the answer is when Brianna
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unfortunately meets her demise, her brain will
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not be able to retain information because she
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already cannot. Yeah, I already can't. The intelligence
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is gone. So do you think intelligent hauntings
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rely on the intellect of the living? No, I'm
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kidding. That's not... I was going to say, that's...
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Okay, the way I frame this, at least to myself,
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and I think I mentioned this before, when you
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are watching a video online, a YouTube video,
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you can leave comments. that doesn't affect the
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video itself right because it's already posted
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right now if you're watching a live video the
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video whoever's behind the scenes can respond
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back so the comments have an influence on the
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video in the direction it goes so you could choose
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your own adventure remember those now we have
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tiktok lives um i kind of view that as kind of
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what i'm trying to get at with like residual
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versus intelligent hauntings where if you engage
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with an entity do you have an influence on them
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is it going to respond to you or is it just doing
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its thing and like another thing is like when
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people watch football games you ever see someone
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watching a game on the tv and they yell like
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pass the ball pass the ball regardless if the
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person actually passes the ball it has nothing
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to do with you telling it to pass the ball but
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how many people say pass the ball and they pass
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it and then they say yeah he passed the ball
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isn't that what we're doing with ghost hunting
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sometimes at least they give me that like sometimes
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we say what is your name and then we hear a name
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comes through the spirit box and we just assume
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it's an intelligent entity couldn't it just be
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they like would it have said its name regardless
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of like how how do you yeah how do you determine
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that it's aware of you and consciously responding
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as opposed to it would have just said that regardless
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or like i said before on last week's episode
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what if it's all just synchronistic responses
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yeah i feel like it's easier for most people
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to automatically assume intelligence based on
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like a possible back and forth synchronistic
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conversation than it is to say that it is some
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sort of residual um and that's why most things
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are labeled as intelligent hauntings but i don't
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know it's it's hard for me to wrap my brain around
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the possibility that these back and forth kind
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of conversations that we have sometimes are just
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coincidental like i don't know just some responses
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you get Don't always seem like something that
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would come up in an everyday conversation and
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leave traces as a residual energy or response.
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Like the one thing that keeps popping into my
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brain thinking about this, and I don't know if
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it would be spoilers talking about Parashini,
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when we had that back and forth EVP conversation.
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You know what I'm talking about? I do, I do.
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You can talk about it. Actually, I forgot about
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this. This isn't... Is this when we were separated?
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No, this is when we were all together. No, no,
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when we were all together in the cemetery the
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last time we were there. Talking with a child
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about the fire. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the one thing
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that keeps ringing in my brain was... We asked,
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we were having a back and forth conversation
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with little girl. We were doing an EVP session
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and we kept having responses to what we were
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saying. Of course, we weren't hearing them in
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the moment. So we'd have to go back and listen,
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change our conversation based on what the voice
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had said, ask more questions, get more responses.
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And we kept repeating that. And we got to one
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point where it's that we, where we asked, Oh,
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do you like to play games? And it's had said,
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ring around the rosy yeah but then we didn't
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hear that yet someone asked oh do you want to
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play tag and then it we heard a voice come through
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that said tag and then we never heard another
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evp yeah so as if it tagged someone that ran
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away as exactly like it's like oh i like ring
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around the rosy If it was residual, it would
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have said something along the lines of going
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with that theme. But someone else said, oh, do
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you want to play tag? And it had responded with
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tag. And then it acted like we got a voice that
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sounded like maybe it was engaging and playing,
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and then we never heard from it again. Because
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it ran off, and we were supposed to chase it.
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like to me that we never chased but we never
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did because who can do who we can't we never
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saw them we can't even see her play tag and also
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i it does not sound like a good idea to play
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tag with a ghost um to me i don't know really
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fun it's it sounds like something out of a horror
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story um anyways but like we have those sorts
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of interactions and I don't know, just to, like,
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be like, oh, that's just something coincidental
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or something, some sort of synchronicity that
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doesn't sit right. Like, that's intelligent.
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Like, you can't just change a conversation midway
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through and get a response that still has something
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to do with what you're saying. Like, you know
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what I mean? Yes, I know what you mean. The spoilers,
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yeah. That's fine. We needed to highlight that
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for the purposes of this. And I wager that's
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not even the most... No, that's not the most...
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We did so much with this film, both historically
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and hauntingly? Hauntingly? Lore -wise? Haunting
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-wise and history -wise, I would say that. Hauntings
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and history. haunting history it's the most in
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-depth uh investigation both historically and
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paranormal wise into the piercini ghost town
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legend you can follow the status of the film
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which is expected to come out in january actually
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um on facebook yeah facebook and instagram it's
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called piercini plague and tiktok and tiktok
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yeah so uh not too much on tiktok but we'll get
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there we're ramping up um as we get closer to
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january um but we did our final shoot uh not
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too long ago uh which is what brie was talking
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about so if you want to see some uh and hear
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some more updates and and whatnot uh definitely
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give that page a follow it's in the show notes
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below but getting back to intelligent hauntings
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do you think intelligent hauntings are rare i
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don't comment yeah I don't think they're as common
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as people think they are, but I don't think they're
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as rare as you think they are. Okay, that's a
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good answer. Did that interaction at Piers Cheney
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that you described, talking with a child, wanting
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to play tag, and you set it up as a good example
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of an intelligent interaction, did that feel
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special to you or more elevated than a different
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interaction? I mean, that... honestly, was one
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of the best EVP interaction conversations that
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I have ever witnessed in person on an investigation.
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How do you know you were talking to the little
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girl? We don't. How do you know the little girl
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knew you? They didn't know it was. Or knew you
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were talking to it. Because it was responding
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to the questions we were asking. but you see
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my point here not really get a response to a
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question you don't know what it is you're talking
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to so how do you extrapolate that because there's
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implications here and we're going to get into
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one that people don't really talk about in a
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second here but the biggest implication is if
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you say there's an intelligent haunting there
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and you're communicating with the ghost that
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means that when people die you can These people
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died hundreds of years ago. Hundreds of years
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into the future, you remain a little girl, and
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you can still not only talk to the living, comprehend
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the living, and engage with the living, and have
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full discourse with the living after you die
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hundreds of years later. That's the implication
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when you say it's intelligent haunting. Do you
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agree with everything that comes along with that?
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Comes along with what exactly? That. All that
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baggage. When you said that's an intelligent
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haunting, you're saying, I know that's a little
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girl that's aware of this conversation. We're
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aware of each other and the conversation we're
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having. And even though she died 200 years ago,
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she's still a little girl talking to me about
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playing tag. So, that's also the thing. Is, you
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could still claim it is an intelligent haunting.
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but it is also trying to deceive you by portraying
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itself as a little girl from the said time period.
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So there's the possibility. It could be something
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of intelligence trying to portray itself as something
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to communicate with you. And I didn't mean to
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put you on the spot there. I know. We can agree.
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Do we agree that it's definitionally intelligent?
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Yes. so we agree on that i think a lot of things
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can be definitionally intelligent and whether
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you believe it is a ghost whether you believe
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it is synchronicity whether you believe it's
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something inhuman that's kind of irrelevant because
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definitionally it's an intelligent haunting yeah
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yeah but i want to bring this up because this
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is like my main conundrum i was having i don't
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know why i'm in like an existential mood today,
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but this was the main conundrum I was having.
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There's an implication with intelligent hauntings
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that people don't really talk about. If it is
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an intelligent haunting you're interacting with,
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right? And we've been to places, we've talked
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about Simpson Hospital as a good example. We
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go there every year for the last eight years.
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We've been there over a dozen times. There are
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entities there that we talk to every time we
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go there. The stroke patient. Yes, there's Frank
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the stroke patient that we talk to every time.
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We have changed and evolved over the course of
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the eight years talking to Frank. If it isn't
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intelligent haunting, and he's said our names
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before, he knows our names, right? He recognizes
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us. Do these ghosts... I don't want to say do
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they age, because they clearly don't age. You're
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still a little girl hundreds of years later.
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But... Do they evolve? Clearly, is it really
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the case of as soon as they die, that's it? Because
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if they recognize us and they know our names
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the next time we go a year later, clearly they
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can retain some information. So... Yeah, I don't
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know. There's implications with this. So here's
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my... thought I don't know this is this is when
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we were talking about residual hauntings right
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and Angelo is comparing them to like sandwiches
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or apartments with different layers I like the
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apartments theory better where it's like a building
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where there's different stories and you have
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different timeline timelines on each story Who's
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to say an intelligent haunting isn't also shifting
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between those timelines? So what we're thinking
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is a spirit that passed away a hundred years
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ago. It could be only a couple days for them.
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Yeah. So in that sense, we could still be interacting
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with the living of them. Pause. No. Still the
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intelligent haunting. And it still has that consciousness
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of learning, but it still can shift between the
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different timelines, right? Between the different
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floors. I don't know. It hurts my brain to think
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about it that way. Wait, wait, wait. So is this
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a good analogy? Residual haunting is the dream.
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Intelligent is the lucid dream. Say that again?
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So you're still in a dream, but you are lucid
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in this dream and you can interact with the environment.
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Yes. As opposed to just be... Yes, yes, yes.
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So picture you as the ghost, right? You're a
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ghost, Angela. Ooh, spooky. I'm so scared. Are
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you talking about me being a ghost? Yeah, and
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then you're dreaming. If you're a ghost, right
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now. You're a ghost. You cease to exist. In this
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timeline, I'm a ghost. Right now. Right frickin'
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now. You talk about this timeline, though. Yes.
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The timeline where you need therapy. Right now.
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You didn't get the premonition in time that there
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was construction on the road and the cones fell
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on you and the little owl carried you to heaven.
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Okay. You right now are a ghost and you're dreaming
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as a ghost. If you are a residual ghost or a
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haunting, you would just be dreaming. If you're
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an intelligent haunting, you'd be lucid dreaming.
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That's my analogy. Sorry about the owls. How
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can a ghost dream? That's not my point. That's
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not the point. You know what? This might be too
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complex for Angela. No, no, no. Not too complex.
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So everyone's intelligence has been fluctuating
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through this conversation. Just wait for when
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she finds out the Rosicrucians weren't real,
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but they were real. I know what you mean. Okay,
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I need you to explain this like I'm a fucking
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toddler. Okay, so forget your ghost. This is
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just an analogy. A regular dream. A regular dream.
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is comparable to a residual haunting whereas
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like what i was talking where a lucid dream is
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comparable to an intelligent haunting and they
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can continually shift between the floors of time
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I get that. If only you said that the first time,
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it would have been so complicated. Okay, but
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you made her a ghost, and that's what complicated
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things, Ben. Yes. You didn't need to do that
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part. Why did I need to be a ghost for you to
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explain that? The POV is... Anyways. I'm about
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to have my sixth sense moment. I see dead people.
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You've been a ghost this whole time. Sorry if
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I spoiled a 40 -year -old movie for anyone. It's
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their fault for not seeing it yet. I know. You
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know that's the first horror movie I watched?
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Which movie? Sixth Sense. Oh, yeah. Good movie.
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That really threw me for a loop. Yeah, I wasn't
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expecting the ending. It was a good movie. I
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feel like we should watch it again. Yeah. You
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know, I saw something that ruined it. made it
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depressing. He was a ghost the whole time and
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he still clocked in to work every day. Isn't
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that so sad? Poor guy. He's in hell. He didn't
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make it to heaven. That's hell. That's purgatory.
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At least he can still see his kid, right? I guess.
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In a way. I don't want to talk about that. It's
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sad. This is such a sad episode. There's nothing
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fun in this episode. I don't know. I'm having
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fun. I'm sorry I got a little existential on
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this one. The Sixth Sense is just kind of sad.
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I don't know. Something about the Sixth Sense
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movie is kind of just off -putting. I don't like
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it. Yeah, because you find out everybody is dead.
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It is a sad movie. Would you rather M. Night
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Shyamalan make more Avatar movies? I mean, pick
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your battles. Get that out of here. No. That
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movie doesn't even exist. I've never seen Avatar.
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Okay, Hot Take Old was a good movie. I liked
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that movie. I don't know what movie that is.
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The one where they're stuck on that beach. On
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the beach in the age. That's a good movie. I
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saw it in the theaters. It was good. Have you
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ever seen Lady in the Water? No. That one's a
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good one. That was one of the first few he made.
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I highly recommend it. spookies animatronics
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in it and the like um prosthetic props for the
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creatures peak amazing loved them it was very
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whimsical and mysterious but also like suspenseful
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at the same time i shall have to give it angela
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let's watch that yeah okay so suspenseful and
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whimsical. That's our goal for next episode.
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This is our existential episode. Next time will
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be whimsical and suspenseful. I feel like all
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of our episodes end up existential in some sort.
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I don't count the sandwiches. Yes, it was, but
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we're still talking about sandwiches. And we
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can still post memes about cheese. Or the pickle
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on the top of the sandwich with the But the pickle
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can go in between layers. Like, the pickle is
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us or someone dreaming and going through the
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different layers of time. Yeah. I still, I like
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the building apartment analogy better than the
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sandwich. That makes more sense in my brain.
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It makes more sense, but the sandwich is more
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creative. Everyone would probably use, like,
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the building and apartment example, but no one
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else is going to use the sandwich example. That's
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the best point she's made all night. We are the
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only podcast, I think, on any of the platforms
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that spent a whole episode about residual hauntings
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talking more about sandwiches than hauntings.
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Yes, the sandwich layers. Does anyone else know
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what we're talking about? No. If someone asks,
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what are you talking about sandwich layers? They're
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going to say, listen to Paranormal Lens. I think
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we made a mistake dropping all the... metaphors
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in this episode, because we've been very straight
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and to the point and existential to, perhaps
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to a fault, but maybe this will be our most popular
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episode ever. And people are like, stay serious.
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You guys, you finally shut up about all the goofy
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stuff. I'm glad you all are taking this seriously.
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We do take this seriously. We just have fun.
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We just like to have fun. We have fun. Nothing
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wrong with that, people. If you don't like silliness,
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go listen to someone else. Yes. I'm sick of serious
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people. It's fucking annoying. Okay, Angela.
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Turn it down a little bit. Turn your ass down.
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What do you mean? Because I can be serious and
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so can you. Some people don't know the balance,
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right? Everything is a balance. Yes, there's
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balance. Even our dumbest episodes. Not going
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to name any names, but some of the topics. I
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went in thinking this is the dumbest topic. Yeah,
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like the owl ones. I wasn't naming names! But
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they ended up very creepy. So we talked about,
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ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to
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this very serious episode, if you're one of the
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serious fans, we did an episode talking about
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owls and their connection to UFO sightings and
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ghosts. Okay, sure. Halfway through. It got really
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creepy really fast talking about the owls on
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the threshold and how they're threshold entities
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watching us and I got creeped out for the first
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and only time making this podcast. I think only
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you got creeped out. I did. It was a creepy episode.
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That was a creepy episode and it got serious.
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You have to at least acknowledge that that episode
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started off really silly and it got really serious.
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We're always balancing the two. Sometimes, like,
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we'll be, like, 75 % silly. Fuck, what's the
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math? 15? No. Gosh dang, you know what I mean!
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I don't even know what you're trying to do right
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now. Um, taking it back to the topic, any final
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thoughts before we wrap this up? I still think
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that were there to be an intelligent haunting
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really comes down to if the soul or whatever
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is afterlife or whatever has a conscience still
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and i feel like that's not a question we're going
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to be able to answer until no i don't think anyone's
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ever going to be able to answer that question
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there can only be theories to that question i
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don't like episodes where that's the final thought
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yeah that's not because that that's so open -ended
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What's your final thought? What's my final thought?
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That got deep. I don't know. I feel like I already
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kind of wrapped up my opinion on it and said
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that there's probably more interactions with
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residual than intelligent but probably less than
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you're thinking. And I agree that I think we've
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come to a place where definitionally a lot of
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things are definitionally intelligent and it's
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up to us to fill in the blanks on what that entails.
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I will say, as my final thought, we're talking
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about how we have all these bits and inside jokes
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that we continue to repeat ad nauseum on this
29:44
podcast. If a ghost were to reference objectively
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to a third party, an inside joke. and bring it
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back to the bit like full circle you know if
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a if a ghost references an inside joke and has
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comedic timing and is observed and interpreted
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as you know the actual words being stated by
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a third party it isn't aware of this inside joke
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i think that would prove intelligent hauntings
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because it's all about the bits yes i think that
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would be hilarious i think it would be fantastic
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If you're a ghost who's listening. Another thought,
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another thought. Do you yawn? Go away. Another
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thought really quick. Might be too much, but
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do you think that maybe that what we think is
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an intelligent haunting is actually still a residual
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haunting, but we're just tapping into a form
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of residual haunting? Does that make sense? I
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think that's the point of Ben's whole argument.
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Yes. Okay, so I'm just saying it in a different
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way. Okay. Yes. Cool. Do you guys want to repeat
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anything again, or should we take it to the outro?
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