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The Braxtons Beef | Season 2, Episode 5 Recap: Claudia, Dustin & Blue · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: Ray drops.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I am in the middle of a beautiful female sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: Call me an oreo, I'm creamy.
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  Speaker 3: That's how it was starting.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't.
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  Speaker 4: It's more an orgy, maybe an orgy of the mines.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe orgy of the mind is wild but still accurate.
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  Speaker 4: Right or do the mind? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is well, you know that could be the case.
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  Speaker 2: That could be the case.
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  Speaker 1: But listen, I am here with Claudia Jordans and we
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  Speaker 1: have Blue Tolusa, Jordy.
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  Speaker 5: The Legend, the myths, the woman, the voice.
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  Speaker 3: I'm up a rocket tour. People be getting mad at me.
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  Speaker 4: H girl, start of my life.
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  Speaker 3: Can't get away with nothing like You're in a good company.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we do here, and we are ship starters,
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  Speaker 4: but we tell the truth.
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  Speaker 3: That part, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like and yeah, people get mad. They can get mad
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  Speaker 4: if they want to. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, We're just here to have conversations. And today we're here,
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  Speaker 1: y'all to talk about another episode of The Braxton So
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  Speaker 1: before we get into all of the dealings, okay, of
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  Speaker 1: what has been happening in this past week's episode, well night,
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  Speaker 1: the past week tonight's episode, Okay, I first want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about things that were happening this week as it
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  Speaker 1: relates to the Braxtons. So Blue and Claudia, as you
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  Speaker 1: two know, last week's episode, the ladies aka the sisters
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  Speaker 1: had a big argument about this cease and desist and
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  Speaker 1: whether or not the sister sent it?
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  Speaker 2: Who's sentims? A big who done it? Who's zooming? Who
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  Speaker 2: Aretha Franklin? It was a mystery Claudia and Blue. The
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  Speaker 2: mystery has been solved.
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  Speaker 1: So a lawyer went online and decided to clear the air. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so the lawyer said, he they listen. They referred to
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  Speaker 1: him as the Braxton's family attorney, which means he is
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  Speaker 1: represented everybody, even the past or the present except Tamar.
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  Speaker 2: But he went online to say that.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't the sisters who hired him to send the
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  Speaker 1: cease in the sist.
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  Speaker 2: But it's in his exact words blew. He said that
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't anybody vagina.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, it wasn't anybody with the vagina, how much you
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  Speaker 3: want to bet? He says female as well in conversation,
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  Speaker 3: it was nobody with the vagina.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's anything like that legal jargon?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Is that how lawyer's talk now?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it is. And that already tells me
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  Speaker 3: what kind of paths of this is.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think he's Is he from legal zoom?
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  Speaker 3: It's giving he wants the one thousand plus one thousand
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  Speaker 3: that church, or he's gonna cuss you out like it's
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  Speaker 3: it's very much that that bracket of professional and I
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  Speaker 3: want to know who hired him.
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  Speaker 4: Look at Carlos's face, he's already stressed out over us.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, damnit, high minutes.
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  Speaker 3: In already one thousand plus one thousand. This is only
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  Speaker 3: twelve hundred and thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm used to two aries, so Claudia's and Aris.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a libra, what are you blue?
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  Speaker 3: I'm an aries tourist, Cusp and I always warned people
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  Speaker 3: because according to the others Georgy, I'm an aries, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't claim them. So I'm a taurist. Why don't
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  Speaker 3: they see me coming? If I claim, y'all have to
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  Speaker 3: stay taurists so they can let me know.
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  Speaker 4: You clean it off. You try to go in there
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  Speaker 4: like a trojan horse.
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  Speaker 3: Huh yeahmatorius stable another.
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  Speaker 2: Ari, So I listen. I love an aries.
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  Speaker 6: I love in aries.
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  Speaker 2: Look clearly, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Such a favorite. It's not a favorite sign.
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  Speaker 2: My favorite sign. I would have to say.
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  Speaker 1: All my life, I have always been connected to scorpios.
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  Speaker 4: Oh the darkness, okay, I I thought I was gonna
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  Speaker 4: say sad.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say Gemini. Because the neighbors
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  Speaker 3: are geminised with the gossip together. They love the kiki.
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  Speaker 3: A Gemini in the corner talking about you, I'm mourning
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  Speaker 3: all of you. If you see a Libra and a
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  Speaker 3: Gemini in the court, you are the topic.
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  Speaker 4: I must go hit you them. Gemini.
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  Speaker 5: Do you catch them on a group text talking about you?
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  Speaker 4: Man, maybe going in on you till you be like, damn,
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  Speaker 4: I thought he's my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Is that that happened to you before?
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  Speaker 4: Claudia yeah, it was I thought. I was like, damn,
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  Speaker 4: you said that about me.
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  Speaker 2: I am so fastered by this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, before I get into the recovery episode,
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  Speaker 1: we have to dissect the zodiac sign of the sisters
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  Speaker 1: because I need to understand the dynamic of what exactly
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  Speaker 1: is going on with these girls.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, so the lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: Said that someone who doesn't have a vagina hire him
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  Speaker 1: to send the cease and desist. Ashley Braxton, who is
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  Speaker 1: the daughter of Michael Braxton, the sister's only brother. Ashley
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  Speaker 1: said on TikTok that was her father. She actually sent
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  Speaker 1: the cease and desist. Now, the word on the curb
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  Speaker 1: is this, Claudia Blue, and I would love to get
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. The word on the curb is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this lawyer allegedly is super close to
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  Speaker 1: Tony and Trina and that perhaps in order to keep
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  Speaker 1: their hands clean, allegedly they reached out to their brother
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  Speaker 1: to do it on behalf of the family.
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  Speaker 2: Blue, what are your thoughts on that? Does that sound
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  Speaker 2: like something that is believable on.
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  Speaker 3: A scale of one to ten? How authentic are we
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  Speaker 3: going to be today?
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  Speaker 2: Carlos, Claudia Jordan to Carlinos king it has to be
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  Speaker 2: a tend.
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  Speaker 3: For the way I'm at all, I'm in the right place.
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  Speaker 4: The just that the only thing do with ponytails and eyelashes.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: The show is over. Okay. So my take on this
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  Speaker 3: is through the lens of an EQ coach, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna say this. I was not surprised by what he
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  Speaker 3: said because I feel like the way the mechanism that
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  Speaker 3: is the Braxton works, they would have never mad done
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  Speaker 3: it themselves. They would have always hid behind someone. So
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  Speaker 3: them him saying it's somebody with a vagina, I think
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  Speaker 3: he intended to say that from the beginning, which is
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  Speaker 3: why the brother was the one who was used. I
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  Speaker 3: think they're all complicit. I think they're all complicit. And
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  Speaker 3: I actually have a lot to say about Twanda Braxin
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  Speaker 3: in particular because I'm just gonna start here. So you
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  Speaker 3: guys can do a temperature check if you're ready or not.
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  Speaker 3: You know how the mother has several children, right, because
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  Speaker 3: I believe a fish sticks from the head. When a
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  Speaker 3: mother has several children, she knows what every child is
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  Speaker 3: insecure about, and she tries to speak to it. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So if Carlos. If you were the short son, she'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, well, you're tall enough if you were a
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  Speaker 3: good man, you know what I mean, Like, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: Have you noticed that in every single scene where Everylyn's
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  Speaker 3: talking to Twanda, the first thing she says is hey, beautiful, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: pretty girl, Hey gorgeous, because she's trying to offset the
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  Speaker 3: obvious pain that Towanda has about how she's perceived in
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  Speaker 3: the hierarchy of her sisters.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And so there's a certain level of pandering the family
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  Speaker 3: does to Twanda, And there's a certain level of manipulation
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  Speaker 3: that Tauanta does on behalf of the family that I'm
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  Speaker 3: ready to call BSR because Tamar is not perfect. And
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  Speaker 3: you can be imperfect and be an imperfect victim. Tamar
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  Speaker 3: is an unsympathetic imperfect victim. And I think the family
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  Speaker 3: has a long documented history of being annoyed that she
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  Speaker 3: is the one who's always whistleblowing on things that they've
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  Speaker 3: agreed to toxically keep them themselves. And the reason that
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  Speaker 3: she's defending Ashley so much is because she's seeing it
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  Speaker 3: happens Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: She's seeing it wow.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's why. And for those who are like, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's self serving. First of all, nobody does anything
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  Speaker 3: that they don't get anything from being good at Being
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  Speaker 3: strategic doesn't mean you're insincere. We're on a show right now,
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  Speaker 3: the show is being produced. It doesn't mean we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: lie right so production being involved doesn't make it insincere.
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  Speaker 3: I think the reason why she was so passionate about
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  Speaker 3: Ashley is because she was Ashley. So when you see
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  Speaker 3: her talking about herself, you're actually seeing her motivation to
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  Speaker 3: have Ashley's back because she's watching it happens the next generation,
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of people aren't clocking that she's being triggered.
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  Speaker 3: She's been triggered by a real offense that is being
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  Speaker 3: hidden behind a family dysfunction. That's just my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Claudia Jordan, I think you're my legal band.
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  Speaker 4: Nah. You made some great points.
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  Speaker 5: I think the reason why it's easy to uh not
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  Speaker 5: take Tamar's side for the audience a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: in the family is because sometimes she can come off
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  Speaker 5: as a bit much right, or she may aggravate you
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  Speaker 5: or a certain thing she does because she's you know,
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  Speaker 5: gregarious and louder and stuff, So it's easy to like
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  Speaker 5: not take that person's side, right, Well, she's always it,
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  Speaker 5: so she's always that. But like you're saying, to your point,
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  Speaker 5: I get it. You're saying, you can still have those
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  Speaker 5: traits and still be to the truth. Yeah, And and
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of times, depending on the messenger
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  Speaker 5: or what we already think about someone, that sometimes frames
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  Speaker 5: what we are willing to believe about. The more take
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  Speaker 5: their sides, Like, we've probably both been victims of that, right,
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  Speaker 5: because they.
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  Speaker 4: May not like you.
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  Speaker 5: Everything you say to that is a lie or nope,
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  Speaker 5: you're lying, you fool of shit. They don't want to
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  Speaker 5: hear it, right, but if they like you, right, And
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  Speaker 5: it's so frustrating when someone is light, they get believed
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  Speaker 5: for things that may or may not be true.
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  Speaker 4: We've all seen that, yep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And when you're the one that's on the opposite
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  Speaker 5: end of that, it's so frustrating because the more you
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  Speaker 5: fight it and say no but she they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you're being a hater, you're jealous. Up there you go again.
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  Speaker 3: This should go again whole time. To Wanda, what happened
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  Speaker 3: to the thirty five K baby? Like there was there
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  Speaker 3: was a scene where they're arguing where Twanda kind of
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  Speaker 3: stumbles through an admission that she took thirty five thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars from her sister that never got paid.
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  Speaker 2: Back, that it was a gift exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, think about that that was
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  Speaker 3: a gift even when the phone right when she said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know me and to Wanna were on the
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  Speaker 3: same phone plan, and I was paying for her phone
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  Speaker 3: until I went to go switch providers and saw that
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  Speaker 3: it was a family pan and I had been paying
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  Speaker 3: for her and Tauanta's reaction isn't to say it's untrue.
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  Speaker 3: It's to say, well, family takes care of family. You've
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  Speaker 3: been caught stealing allegedly twice in this one conversation. But
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  Speaker 3: we're all talking about Tamar getting deregulated because Tamar is
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  Speaker 3: emotionally deregulated. When you dirt to her, you're expecting the
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  Speaker 3: direct the spectacle of her to be a smoke screen
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  Speaker 3: for you to hide your dirty deeds.
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  Speaker 2: So where do we think all of this cons fronts?
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  Speaker 1: Because you know, I want to get into one more
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  Speaker 1: social media thing and then we'll get into the episode
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  Speaker 1: that bled into what happened last week.
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  Speaker 2: So when we talk about being gas lit.
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  Speaker 1: The audience saw recently Claudia and Blue that Trina Braxton
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  Speaker 1: commented on kay Michelle's social media posts and the bread
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  Speaker 1: and the you know listen, the Tamar.
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  Speaker 2: Fans and maybe even non fans decided to really talk
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that I get things
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  Speaker 1: accurate when I read you guys, uh this tweet? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I mean the common brother. So Key Michelle is
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  Speaker 1: posting her music. Trina Braxon goes, you know, I love
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  Speaker 1: country music. Kay Michelle goes, come see me, Trina d
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  Speaker 1: m me. I'll set it up. The album is great.
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  Speaker 1: The reason why a lot of people had a big
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  Speaker 1: reaction to this is because unless you be living on
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  Speaker 1: the diplomouth rock, it is well known that Kay Michelle
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  Speaker 1: and Tamar have had a very strenuous public beef right
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  Speaker 1: is and and a lot of things have occurred recently.
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  Speaker 1: When it came to these two going back and forth
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  Speaker 1: by commenting on cay Michelle's post, the fans saw that
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  Speaker 1: as Trina being passive aggressive, and that was a disc
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  Speaker 1: towards her sister Tae Mar Claudia, you haven't famous since
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  Speaker 1: I was a little gay boy watching teen Summit. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you to say and look and look and looks the
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  Speaker 1: same recipez of Nonda Lewis.
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  Speaker 2: You've been famous for more than three decades.
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  Speaker 1: You're also on social media, and the reason why I
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  Speaker 1: want to bring up your celebrity is because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you especially know sort of like the dudes and
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  Speaker 1: don't on social media, and how when you're on social
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  Speaker 1: media you kind of know what you're doing when you
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  Speaker 1: do certain things. Do you think Trina, commenting on cay
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  Speaker 1: Michelle's post, was a passive aggressive disc to her sister Tamar.
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  Speaker 5: I'm in such a good place with all of them,
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  Speaker 5: finally know, but yes I do.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it's no secret the history.
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  Speaker 2: I remember.
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  Speaker 5: I was in New York one time and I saw
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  Speaker 5: came Michelle out at the height of the me and
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  Speaker 5: Tamar when we weren't getting along, and came Michelle gave
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  Speaker 5: me air full and I it was very clear where
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  Speaker 5: she felt like they are not cool, right of course,
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  Speaker 5: of course, of course, of course, of course.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you know that like.
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  Speaker 5: If I if someone that you know, one of my friends,
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  Speaker 5: and I fell out with them and they go on
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  Speaker 5: social media and they're like kind of like playing nice
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  Speaker 5: or flirting with, or inviting or hollering at or liking
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  Speaker 5: my arch enemy.
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  Speaker 4: Of course I know what that is. Like, that's a
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  Speaker 4: no brainer. Yes, yes it is.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't want to rush and just be like,
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  Speaker 5: just demonize all the sisters. This is outside of Tamar,
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  Speaker 5: this is long standing. I'm sure they both have valid arguments.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure if we sat down with tamarw she could
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  Speaker 5: say this one did this to me, and this one
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  Speaker 5: did that to me, and then this one did this
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  Speaker 5: to me.
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  Speaker 4: These are sisters, they have a long history, and I
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  Speaker 4: bet you we sat down with.
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  Speaker 5: All of them to want all of them could have,
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  Speaker 5: depending on who you get it from, will have legitimate,
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  Speaker 5: in their eyes reasons for why they don't fool with
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  Speaker 5: that sets or why they're angry at why they're hurt.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what came first, the chicken, all the egg,
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  Speaker 5: is what I'm saying. And it's so easy to just
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  Speaker 5: like take a side, which is so hard because we
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  Speaker 5: are not in that family.
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  Speaker 4: But we do know that there was definitely beef.
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  Speaker 5: There is a lot of passive aggressiveness going on, and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: of course, yeah, it was definitely uh a dig at Tamar.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think sin is being embarrassing.
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  Speaker 4: Her biggest sin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a I did some research. There is an
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  Speaker 3: old episode of My Life or something where it's Tony
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  Speaker 3: and Tamar and Carlo Shirley. But you know how Libris
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  Speaker 3: care about beautiful optics?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay and just so okay, because because Tony
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  Speaker 1: Braxett is a Libra, go Ahead Blue, they.
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  Speaker 3: Had a whole album named that, there and everything, And
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  Speaker 3: so they asked Tony, seriously, what is your gripe with Tamar?
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  Speaker 3: What is your issue? What is your core wound with Tamar?
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  Speaker 3: And Tony admitted she said, I find her personality embarrassing.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And so when you're in a family that is a
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  Speaker 3: slave to optics and you are the embarrassing sister, whether
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  Speaker 3: you're being embarrassing for being emotionally regulated and acting like
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  Speaker 3: a braddy baby, or you're being embarrassed for telling secrets
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  Speaker 3: that we've all call conspired to keep to ourselves, you're
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  Speaker 3: the only one who's not falling in line step. And
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  Speaker 3: I think, yes, they all have different reasons for being
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  Speaker 3: upset individually granularly, but I think Tamar's biggest sin, while
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  Speaker 3: she's always on the apps of the family. It's because
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  Speaker 3: she wants to be independent, she wants to break away
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  Speaker 3: from the fray, and they all fall in line step
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  Speaker 3: with each other, even when they dishonor each other, they
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  Speaker 3: fall into line step. But she's like, no, my therapist
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  Speaker 3: told me that's toxic. Why can't we talk about it?
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  Speaker 3: It's bad, Like I'm on lexipro, Like why are you
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  Speaker 3: opportunicas Okay, it's not okay, And objectively speaking, when you
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  Speaker 3: are diferring from a toxic pact, you actually are trying
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  Speaker 3: to be healthy and being penalized for it, and you
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  Speaker 3: don't have the skills to be emotionally regulated, so you
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  Speaker 3: share it to the audience in a way that's easy
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  Speaker 3: to demonize.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Blue, what advice did you give Tamar? If
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  Speaker 5: she's watching right now, to deal number.
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  Speaker 3: One, She's gonna have to acknowledge her impact right Because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of my clients when they come to me
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  Speaker 3: and they are the Tamar of the family. I have
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: so many clients who are the Tamar. I have clients
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: who are the Tony, and I have clients for the Twanda,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And so I spend hours listening to these archetypes like
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Vet about each other. And the one thing I always
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: tell the unsympathetic victim is that even though you have
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: been misunderstood, even though people are hiding behind your persona
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: so that they can hide their hand, you still had
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: an adverse impact on other people. That until you allow
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: yourself to acknowledge, they have no incentive to acknowledge your pain.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: And what Tamar sucks at that I think we can
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: all agree at. She sometimes fails to acknowledge her impac
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: She's very hyper focused on the impact that everybody has
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: on her. It's very rare that if ever that we've
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: heard her say, even if I don't agree about how
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: we got here, I can see that that was hurtful.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: And I think they're frustrated that she's incorrigible in that
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: her being incorrigible means that she's the one who's the
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: most likely to break the generational curse. It also means
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that she's sucks a thick an accountability.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: What would you give advice? What advice would you give to Towanda?
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: I know you have something to saved by her, but what.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know how, it's fascinating. I'm with
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Claudia I'm I okay. So first of all, I want
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to make sure that the audience who may not be
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: familiar with you Blue, understand your background. Becase when you
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: say clients, can you briefly explain to them the work
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you do where you have clients of this magnitude.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm a spiritualist and I'm also an emotional intelligence coach,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: which means I teach self mastery classes and for those
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: who level where's you learn that from the Harvard School
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: of Public Health? And I helped back in two thousand
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and three because of the moisturizes, back into zeousand than three,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I helped the Harvard School of Public Health create an
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: emotional intelligence curriculum for young people. And I recognize, Oh,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I have people in my family who act like this.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: You mean K through twelve. I know sixty year olds
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: who act like this. So I took what I learned
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: from working at Harvard as an academic and I turned
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: it into a program for adults. And I serve about
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: five hundred clients a year.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: That's amazing.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And how are people able to get in contact with you?
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Blue Centric shop dot com. That's where you can see
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: my manifestation candles book one on one with me, take
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: my class. I currently have a class that's going to
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: be going on in January. It's already almost sold out
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: seventy five percent return rate. And I'm not just saying
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: this to flex. I'm saying I've had people who remind
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: me of the Braxtins come to my class, find out
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: that they're part of the problem, be like, ohit, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: thought I was just a victim, and then come back
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: with their mothers and their sisters afterwards. I've watched whole
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: families who act like this heal, So it's not like
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: it's impossible for them to heal. But no one's gonna
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: heal unless they first acknowledge their impact.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Do you think in this family dynamic there's one victim
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: meaning Tamar or do you think there's multiple victims?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And I think it's all been victimized by the system,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: But I think there's one target rather than victim. Yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: they're all victim having victimized by a very nasty dynamic
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that was set by the mother and the father. Right,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: So the mother and the father are actually the true
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: unintentional villains here because there were certain things that they
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: could have done that they didn't do. So the girls
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: are just making it up as they go. But because
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: people get funny when we talk about their parents didn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: arm them or equip them. They've all been victimized by
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: this toxic system. But Tamar is the target.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So before we get more in, I gotta bring on
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the other man of the hour, y'all, fellow aries, give
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: it up, y'all for Dustin See.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I love you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: What's up? I love you too? Baby?
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: Y'all know me in Blue? First of all, Hello Quaudia,
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: Hello Carlos. It's going to do much like the spirit
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: of resolution for the Braxtons. I was running late. So, hey, you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Have a friend.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: No, I have rough allergies.
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: Actually, I wish I had a story for you about
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: me gallivanting around New York City and having trysts and
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: telling secrets that I can't talk about here.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: And I want to hear a galli.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: I want to hear some gallivantation.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: You want to hear the gallivante. You want to read
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: out the book of Gallivantations. Okay, that's what you want
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: to do. Okay, Blue I love you. How you doing
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: I'm doing so well.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing to Dustin. Every time somebody would
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: talk about Dustin. Before I met Dustin, I'd been like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: what is he like? And they'd be like, that's a man, and.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Whenever, that's my girl. Man.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: But you said that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm glad Blue gets to join us as we
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: spend time recaping the braxt and so Dustin, it doesn't.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Catch you up on things.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: We are diving into the personality traits before we even
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: go into tonight's episode that aired. So Claudia asked a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: very important question.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And Blue was cooking.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Blue you you mentioned that all of the sisters are
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: victims and that the unintentional villains are the mother are
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the parents last week's episode. What I did say to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Claudia Dustin, because look, I have nine siblings, so it's
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: ten of us and Blue you're ready for this. I'm
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the middle child. I'm a Libra, I'm number five of ten.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, because kardash and we'll continue.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I'm Kim Kardashian. Yeah, you're the Kim.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Kardashian from what you're explaining.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: And you're the rich one too.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, no worry a.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: My Kim Kardashian the family.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you are, you are.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Family.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: He likes what you pretty.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I want you, I want I want her to explain
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it before.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I move on.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, Kim, You're You're shiny from the middle. You're the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: one who was able to break away from the fray
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: while still being family minded, and you're the shining one
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: who brings blessing to the rest of the family.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: There she goes, spinning facts like she always do.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Do you have a sex Hey, Carlos, I know, h
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: now listen, listen because because I about the guy got
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: real quick.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I always knew I was gonna be from the camera
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and everything I did in my life, I said no
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: because I don't want that to back to Hally now
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that I'm perfect. But like, that was what thing Claudia
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that even like if me and my ex African would
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: do something, we would watch it and I would immediately
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: delete it and I would delete the deleted folder and I.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Would burn the Okay, well that's fact, but enough about me.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Last week's episode, Claudia so funny.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Last week's episode, I did share with Dusty Claudia that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: again middle child often kids. The mother told Tony Braxton.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Who's the oldest and she's a libra. Tony Braxton's the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: oldest of six kids, five boys.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Three girls.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: They were in a girl group that was formed by
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the mother. She raised them to be the female version
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of the Jackson Five.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Five sisters. Okay La Reid saw the sisters.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And handpicked Tony Braxton and said, I only want you.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: The other four were for all thetis and purposes rejected.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Tony has said out of her own mouth in plenty
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of interviews that anytime she achieved something as a solo star,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: her mother would say, that's fine, but don't forget about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: your sisters. She also said her biggest regret is doing
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the Braxton's family values because of the drama that came
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: about with that being said, what are your thoughts on
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: knowing that information? As you say that the sisters are
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: just trying to figure things out because were they based
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: on that? Did their mother not do the greatest job?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: But when it came to making sure the sisters all
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: support each other. Despite Tony being selected as a solo star, I.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Made a list. I didn't make a list of the
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: archetypes that the sisters are present. Wow, it's very quick right,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Tony is the superstar eldest daughter. Anybody who knows what
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: an eldest daughter is means that you've been adultified, right,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Like the adultification of young black girls is a very
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: very spoken on topic, which means you're robbed of something
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: in order to make that those that come after you
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: are okay, yep, And so there's a certain level of
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: exhaustion that comes with that, inherently regardless of your character.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Number two, we have funny enough Tamar. Tamar is the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: unsympathetic victim. She's the extreme opposite. She's the baby who
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: recognized I'm the last of these six children. I have
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: to do what I need to do to get attention.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And so in her mind, unless I do something, no
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: one's paying me any mind. And they have fed into
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: that because they only include her when she's in trouble,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and so subconsciously you think, if I'm making a raw row,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: they're gonna pay attention to me. Right. If you watch
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: old videos of the Braxes when they were all including Tony,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Tony would be dancing. The only person dancing as hard
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: as Tony would be Tamar, the eldest and the youngest.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: We already see what that's happening. And here's the thing
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: too about and I wonder if she's been fully diagnosed
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: as a high functioning autistic woman. When people lie, my
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: brain starts to scream. They're lying, they're lying, they're lying.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: My therapist had to work through emotional regulation. And so
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I often say that Tamar is the most annoying and
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the most honest, because the little girl in her who
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: wants attention also is screaming like Paul Revere. But there's
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a fire over there. There's a fire over there, and
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: they're like, Tamar, shut up. We're at church. We're not
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: gonna talk about that now. So the eldest have been
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: taught to hush and keep it cute. But she's getting
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: attention by screaming out the thing that is happening in
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: an inconvenient moment so she can get attention. Then we
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: have Trina, who I call the complicit sidekick m Her
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: thing is that she knows and if she plays the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: middle in the way that Kim and Carlos didn't, if
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: she plays the middle by being everybody's sidekick, right, everybody's
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: yes man, who she's like vodka, anybody who's around her,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: she takes on their flavor, laving her own. But whatever
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you got elevated Trina and vodka for acting right. She's
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: a complicit sidekicks. I watch the show too, Claudia boots
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: and then, oh god, this is gonna hurt my heart.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna speak on the dead, so I'm gonna
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: skip over to Twanda. And this is where things get trigated.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: This think where things get real treaty. Twanda thought that
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: she was going to be the one who I couldn't
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: be the prettiest, I couldn't be the shiniest, I couldn't
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: be the most talented, but I can be the reliable
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: one to be the one that because I'm always of service,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I have been transactionally showing my value. So when the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: optics for the public say that I'm not the superstar,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: my family feels codependent on me. She is will be
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: called a stoic manipulator because the first thing she says
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: when you displease her is not too much. I know
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: where the body are buried. That she says that way
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: too quickly.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: She gets the fat.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: She'll help you, but weaponize that help when you inconvenience
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: her kind of me either, because the thing is Tawanda
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Broxton has never done anything for anybody that we haven't
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: heard about repeatedly. Never. Trina even said in the last episode, well,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Taunta's always been upset that you know, she's always there
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: for everybody, but no, why's there for her? That's a
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: cute story. It's a story. And what makes me sad
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: is Tajuanta thought that she was going to be second.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Nobody banked on Tamar being the breakout star in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: longest running black led reality show in history. Nobody banked
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: on the outlier being second to the superstar. And there's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: an inherent did I say this not resentment, but it's
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: starting to turn into hatred. There's an underlying resentment that
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the sisters have that has grown heaviest in Tuanda because
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Towanda keeps trying to shame Tamar and the one thing
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: we can all agree on is Tamar box and the shameless.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Usually I can use shame to shut people up, but
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: this one can't be shamed. I'll let you put the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: money or down payment of my house. Else I'll have
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: my family on your family plan, on your phone and not.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: Pay you back for six years.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Don't you dare get out of line hole because you're
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: the annoying one that nobody likes and I'm the one
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: that everybody needs.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta pro.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I'm on. I'm onto you.
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she broke all that down. We on you, Twanda,
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: and who in the hell is scratchy? I'm still on that,
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm say. I've been thinking since last week.
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: Damn it, I got thoughts. You know what I'm saying.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: I'm sired of all of that, Towanda. Let me just
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: say this, since we're talking about who they are and
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: how they're showing up in his sisterhood, right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Towanda, literally I'm blue.
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: You don't even know the dimes you just dropped, right, because,
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: just as you describe the way you described Tony superstared,
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: Tamar's popularity as well as natural inclination to be busy
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: because she's always seeking attention, right, it's two other sisters
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: currently that sit in the middle, and that's Trina and
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: Twuanda that haven't done as much to garner the attention, right,
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: And I think that that the couple with ego and
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: you know a couple other things that are natural but
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: maybe not the most healthy have contributed to the way
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: that they look at each other, Twanda. They all have
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: an opportunity, though, to showcase the most robust parts of
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: their lives on this television show. Right, we watch Twanda
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: go through, I mean, step by step, moment by moment,
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: every thought, feeling concerned, napping, invitation, centerpiece. We watched every
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: detail of this wedding planning, right, but we breeze through
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: what a two minute scene about her working as an
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: actor and as a producer and a director on a film.
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. We skip. We really that
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: was one scene. But we're on episode four and we
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: still play in this wedding. She's still singing when she
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: talks about the wedding, the wedding, everything that she talks
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: about with the wedding, she sings. That's the most singing
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: she hadn't done since there was the Braxtons, you.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: And I've just been thinking about that and thinking about that,
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: because I definitely believe that it heavily contributes to what
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: we witnessed at that dinner table during that scene. Then
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: willing to go solo, all the willingness to expose this
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: and expose that you trying to literally move Tamar down
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: a peg and not in the way that she needs
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: to be right, because she definitely does.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you said I don't. God has helped me. You said,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I don't argue with sick people. Yeah, objectively speaking, you're
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: the broke bald one. So like I need everybody to
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: pan out, because.
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: Ma'am, it is what it is with them shoes on too.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Did y'all see them them Bobby Socks and Mary James
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: that Tawanda had on when it was going on a yacht.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: She just be doing anything and I think that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Dookie Brown and purple Dookie Doo Dooo, Doodoo Brown, go go,
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: that's what it is. Sut up.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Not to stop, y'all because I want you to finish.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I want to go record saying that Claudia Jordan is
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: still playing the role of Carlos King for the first time.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: She is trying not to laugh. She is Clauda.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Y'all got me in a weird position right now.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, y'all got me.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I'm trying I'm Carlos right now. Let's have a.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Shame the devil tell THEO.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I have done that. I have done, Claudia bite her tug.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Claia doesn't feel good? Does it do?
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: To be?
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: I don't have.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I don't have such a negative take on Towanda.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: I don't. Yeah, I don't.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to hear maybe because I'm new to
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the party, but I just don't like. And I was
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: at the wedding. It didn't look like shit, it looked good.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: So I'm just like, I'm not jumping in on that
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: and just just to go along because I don't feel
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: that way and the whole point of being Yeah, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: I'm not that deep in like I'm new to the show.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: I need watching, So I don't know the deep, long
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: the roots of a lot of this stuff. I'm just
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: coming in this season like I'm fresh. I'm just going
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: by what I see in real life and who's been
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: night like, who I've had issues with or who've been
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: cool with. Yeah, so I'm trying to like be Braxton.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Has, by by the way, agrees with me. The late
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: great Tracy Braxton has been on the record saying what
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I'm saying right now. So let's let's just say as
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a matter of because I'm good at not getting sued
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: legally speaking, There is a scene of Tracy Braxton literally
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: years ago before she passed away, saying, Twanda, you act
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: like you're helping everybody, but you'd be the one who
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: be thrown rocks and hide in your like. Tracy literally
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: called her out on this. I made sure when I
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: had this theory that I traced it through facts, because
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I did watch the first ten seasons and then to
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: blast her off. So I've been a longtime fan for
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: over a decade, and I've been watching and watching and watching.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: And we all know that person who helps you just
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: so they can keep you in line. We all know
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: that girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're supposed to be likable.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: What's the first thing I said when Ruby what's her face?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: His mother was found for Stockholm? You remember remember Ruby Rose,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: and she her mother passed away because we found out
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: that her mother was abusing her to help her. To
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: be applauded for helping her. Right the first time people
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: said this, you would have never thought she was so loving,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: she was so caring. You would have never thought stoic
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: manipulators are supposed to be hard to believe when they
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: are called out, because the helpfulness is louder than the manipulation.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Well, I hope to get to know these like this,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: like the psychology of it all throughout this season, you know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: like I'm coming I'm the newbie, like I'm coming in
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: this like okay, I'm learning this like week by week.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, I am going by you know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: I just would hear stuff about them or little limited
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: reactions or actions. I'd have interactions with them when I
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: be out, so I'm seeing all the stuff like through
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: kind of fresh eyes, like damn, okay, all.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Right, no, Which is why your your pob Claudia is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: important because listen, all four of us have our very
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: different opinions and views of the show.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: The three of us have been watching us since season one.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Claudia has been in the industry, like I said, for
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a very long time, so she has interaction with these people.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Claudia, before I listen, I.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Want to hear a lot about Blues opinion about Tony
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Braxton not going to Twanda's bridal shower and her reaction
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to that, and then in this night's episode, her reaction
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: when Tony said it's Tamar invited. So before we get
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: into that, Claudia, you and Tamar did College Hill together,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: celebrity college here.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry College Hill. Well last year, it aired last year.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: But y'all taped it in twenty twenty three, right, yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but it aired last year.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Though, No, we filmed it in like I think February
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: and air the same year.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, So last year you were in the same house
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: with Tamar Braxton.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: You spent a month with her.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: What can you share with us just about like your
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: time being spent because Blue obviously is really doing a
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: deep dive base on the historical nature of their sisterhood
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: from birth until now. You're the only one that I
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: know personally that has had that long of a time
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: with her in the house word show. What are your
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: thoughts on this and what people are saying about Tamar?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You know whether or not you know she is to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: blame for something like this.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: So before we did College Show, like listen, it's no
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: secret there were years that Tamor and I did not
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: fuck with each other.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, it was like it goes way back.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: We did a show called Tiny Tonight and things went
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: left on that show and I actually left the set
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: in tears.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Like I'm like, I can't fucking do the show.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Like it was like that It was really really bad,
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: and it was like carried out over to social media
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: and it was years and years and years, and I
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: was like, damn, I don't even have a history with
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: this lady, you know what I mean? Like it was crazy,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: and thank God foxhol we end up having her come
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: on and then we squashed it as much as we
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: could on camera, so it was already the blow was
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: already softened by the time I got in the house,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't I wasn't worried about it when I
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: got there. It was actually we had a good interaction.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: We actually had great conversations on the show. From what
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I can see about her, she definitely is the youngest, right,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: like you know how like the baby of the family.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Like they definitely want attention, they definitely want to win everything,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: and when they don't win, I do feel like she
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: gets upset about things, you know. But I think if
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: you recognize that and someone you can like work with
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: them or deal with them or understand them more than
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: just writing somebody off like where they come from, you know.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Like I think it's when you.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Have that many sisters, I would imagine I'm the oldest,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I'm the oldest, so I'm like, I was the adult
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: right away, right when you're when you're in that position,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: I see how it's like it's like what about me?
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: What about what I think? And I want to be heard?
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: And I definitely saw that with her, But when like
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: there wasn't an audience around and it was like one
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: on one, so sweet, so cool, so like I love.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: I had really enjoyed my time with her, and I
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: got to see a different side that I would have
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: never known had I didn't have a how I didn't
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: have the had I not had that experience. So me before,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I'm going by what I see on the real, what
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: I see on social media, what I see in clips
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: where you're like, oh, that's a lot, right, and it's
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: easy to jump on that. That's a lot bandwagon, And
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: I think we all can probably say that, like I know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: you know, people that don't know me probably have really
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: negative things to say about me. But then one on
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: one is so much different. It's so much different when
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: I want it's so much different when the noise of
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: everybody else's.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Opinions are not in the room.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: And I'm glad I had to have that, you know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: because I got to see things a little differently. But
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: I can see how it's easy to go against her
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: or to believe the worst from some of the surface antics. Right,
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: the loudness, the this, the that, those aren't really character things.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: That's the personality, I guess right, it's not really.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Like So I can see how it'd be easy to
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: be demonized for those things.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I'll say too is, listen, I I've
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: had you know, I'm friends with Tamar. That's that's that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: publicly known, and she's been on my podcast. I did
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: an interview with Towanda, who I love and enjoy that's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: now going viral again because a lot of people are
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: right blue TikTok, they are clipping my Towanda interview.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: So I love the family.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know Tony Braxton and I am meaning personally,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and I don't know Trina personally at all all. But
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: what I will say about the two of them, but
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I will say about Timar is this. Obviously, I'm somebody
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that loves big personalities.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: I just.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Carlos No.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: So listen, it's no secret that I am friends with
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Tamar and I I'm in love with her. I love her,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I love her. I haven't had a bad experience with her. Ever,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: me and her had disagreements, as friends do. But one
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: thing I will say about her that I agree with
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Claudia that doesn't get shown a lot. And it's funny
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: because she made this joke once because she tweeted something
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this is like last year and it went viral and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: she called me and she said, you saw what happened?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I said, yes, why did you post that?
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: She said?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And she deleted it. She said, Carlos, I forget that.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I'm fathoits. Sometimes I'm like, you're hilarious.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So what I will say is she is conscious when
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: things do go left, and she is somebody who in
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: my opinion based on my conversations with her personally, she
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is somebody and I've seen it happen. And I spoke
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to her honestly like the other day and we had
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a conversation, and what I said to her was, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: really do feel the growth that you are exemplifying, and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for the world to continue seeing that. Listen,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: You're only as good as your last episode as a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: reality star. And I do think when it comes to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: this show, she now is going through the PTSD of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: what she had to experience when it was filming and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: deal with the aftermath of it. And I think with
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Towanda's this my interview with Towanda, and I've had conversation
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: with Towanda two not recently, and Tomanda, to me is
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: somebody who I do think what Blue is saying did
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: rely a lot on being the reliable one, and whether
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: or not she used that as manipulation, you know, I think,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously the family can talk about that, but
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I do think when you come from a big family,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you do subconsciously take on these archetypes. You really do,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you really do, and it is a lot of times
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: how you identify yourself and what you are rewarded for
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: your characteristics as a youth. And that's why for me,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up because this to me, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder if the three you called in this episode,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: this to me was the most fascinating a part of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the episode because to me, it did talk about all
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the things that Blue is breaking down. When Tomanda learned
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that Tamar wasn't coming to Mexico, she obviously wasn't happy
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and she felt like nobody's here from me.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Tony didn't come either.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: She dident'ifyed Tony to the Bridgeton party and Tony did
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: not come there either. And what's funny is there's a
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: viral clip that's on line, uh party.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: City, Risidon Seana ryans hat got nothing do with that that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: It ain't even that blue.
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: There's a there's a tweet going around friend where somebody
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: clipped that scene where Towanda was on the phone with
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: Tony and she was letting her know she wasn't coming
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: to the to the bridal show when they were at
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: the bridle shop looking at the dresses.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Somebody clipped it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: I wish I had the tweet save as I would
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: credit the person, but they clipped it and rolled.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: All the Twanda friends looked so sad, like she had
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: promised him they was gonna get to meet Tony.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: And that was.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Literally on my notes Dustin, literally that was yes.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, but okay, let's talk about that.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: But the reason why I say all of this was
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: fascinating is because Tony not coming. I didn't feel the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: reaction match Tamar and that's only there for Tony.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: According to Tauanta's friends, like the wedding is over apparently.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: So Breaka down blue for me at Claudia and dust
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: a child because.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I will say this, I do not have any ire
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: against Twanta Braxton. I'm counter balancing her pr to make
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: it because Tamar is not the devil in Twanta is
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: not an angel. That's what I was.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: I just want to put that hand being ray because
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: I want to make a note.
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: Right number one, we're talking about Braxton's right, this is
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: some family ship, right, and so it go is It's
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: so difficult almost to offer commentary on it because it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: such a personal matter, right, anything that goes on with
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: them's family shit.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: Another thing that I want to know.
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: Because I see we just had a discourse, and not
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: a discourse, we just talked about who they are in
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: their personality.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Thes Ryan.
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: Claudia recalled your experience working with Tamarrow on College Hill. Carlos,
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: you recalled your friendship with tamaraw how she showed up
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: to you. Because Tamar Braxton has been in numerous conflicts
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: confrontations that have been public, right, people have people have
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: painted a picture of who she is based on that,
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: and they don't really judge her based.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: On the circumstance anymore.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: Right, Because there's been so many occurrences people now feel
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: like she's a messy person. She's dedicated to drama and
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: mess so anytime you hear a story involving her, you
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: can count on her to play that role. That's really
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: not fair to her, right, because things are different each circumstance,
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: each situation is totally different one to the next, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: people should be given a fair shot, right, So I
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: do think we should give her grace for that. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: also want to make the note that this is not
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: a show where we are deciding which Braxton we like
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: and which one we don't. Right, we don't have that
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: responsibility in this conversation to determine whether or not Tamar
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: is good or bad, you know what I'm saying. We're
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: talking about what happened on this damn show, and because
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: it's family shit, the historical context matters. It's relevant, right,
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: because there's a timeline that has brought.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: Them to these determinations.
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: But us in the commentatory space, I don't feel that
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: we have to carry the load of deciding who's good
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: or bad amongst them or whatever. We're just talking about.
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: We calling it like we see it, based on what
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: was on the show. A lot of people will take
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: because we're talking about Tamar and we're talking about Twanda,
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: just like if we were talking about the rap girls.
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, people would take whatever we
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: say and clip it, make it, you know, form it,
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: shape shifted to fit whatever narrative. I just want to
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: be clear that this is not a conversation, nor was
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: last week or any other week we talk about this shit.
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: It was not our you know, time or choice to
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: bash any of them. We have opinions based on what
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: we saw on the show, and that's what we're talking about.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: It will one hundred percent be perceived that way as
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: it is tam our side and I'm not, and it's
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: gonna be like it and it's not.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: We shouldn't have to say.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: On College Hill and tell calls me talking.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Just remind me of something I was impressed when I
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: was doing College Hill with Tamar that things I thought
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: that would.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Set her off.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: It's almost like she has done some work right, and
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: I could tell where I would be like bracing myself, like, oh,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: she about to go to funk off.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: And she didn't.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: And she would tell us repeatedly, I'm trying to work
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: on myself. I'm trying to do better, and I have
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: to give credit for that because being aware of it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: First of all, nobody ever wants to admit that they
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: even have anything wrong with them, especially on TV when
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: you got a bunch of fans kissing your ass all
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: the time, and then to say it on camera as well.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: She did say it, and I did see her almost
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: like you know, when you're like trying to all right
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: one to like doing a countdown in your head to
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: kind of calm yourself down. And she did do that,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: and I appreciated that because I braced myself for the
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: you know, the version that I dealt with before, and
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: she wasn't like that. I will say she was definitely
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: actively working on herself on the process in the month
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: we there, because there were things that she dealt with
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: that I wouldn't ever want to deal with, Like she she.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Had a roommate her in Santana.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Santana light the room really really cold, Tama want the
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: room really really hot, and she dealt with that for
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: like thirty days when that would make anyone kind of snap.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: And I saw her patience and I saw her I
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: saw some evolution there, and I do think a lot
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: of times, we don't like to give.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: People on television grace for evolution.
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: Once we decide who they are, damn it, that's who
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: they are for the entirety of their career.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Nope, because back in two.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Thousand and nine you said this, so you are forever
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: that and we don't do that. But we expect that
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: for ourselves, right, and realize we expect people to like
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: allow us to grow up or to so I want
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: to point that out, like I want to some positivity
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: to that as well.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: And I was impressed with that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I will say this. I mentioned it to you and
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Carlos before we started that a friend, a mutual of Tamar's,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: and I was trying to develop a show with us
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and a third party, and I said, hey, has Tamar
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: seen me? Does she know how I talk?
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Is she aware of what you're doing? And then he said, no,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: she loves that You're so sincere. And I had just
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: been an episode where I had humanized someone that the
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: audience was beating up on. Right, So as a person,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: the fact that she knows that I am blunt, but
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: trusted that because I was humanizing people, that we could
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: work together. That was when I was like, it's tam
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I working on herself, because nobody who's not working on
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: themselves would be able to even strugg me rights. I
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: have to give you some flowers, Dustin. Did y'all see
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: what Dustin just did. We were having a critical analysis
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: about the behavior of the Braxtons, and something in him
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: internally said, let's also make sure that we are under
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: scoring the compassion. The fact that we have yet to
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: see that happen amongst her sisters the entire season. Is
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: my point, something that is natural to complete strangers on
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: a commentary show is still not happening with your own family.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: So we can't talk about the family business, but we
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: can talk about what happens when the family fails you continuously.
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and that's all it is.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: I actually was surprised at some of the reactions and
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: some of the conversations I saw surrounding this, because people
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: immediately were kind of like, they're not listening to Tamar
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: in this situation as having a conversation.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: People knew that and like her hater, Like I said,
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: I just try.
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: To keep it on the show shit, because I have
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: my opinions on her and different choices and behaviors that
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: she's exhibited and shit, she's done.
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: But it's not personal for me, and so I just
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: wanted to offer that note, that's all, and thank you
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: for clocking that boot like you always do, my girl,
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. But that's a real thing, man.
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: At the end of the day, it's a black family
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: were talking about. I don't think any of them are
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: without fault, you know what I'm saying. Everybody contributed to,
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: including Tony. You know, she might be the shortest one.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: She got something to say too, So everybody has contributed to,
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, the state of affairs, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: now that being said, we are going to talk about it,
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: and we are going to identify what we, you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: feel based on what we saw. And although I think
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: that Tamar has not been given the floor in the
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: capacity that she needed, you know what I'm saying, when
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: it comes to her sisters and what they need to
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: talk about, Tamar also bears a lot of responsibility in
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: this because she willingly allows things to just go completely
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: off the rails. And there's never been a conversation more
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: important out of all of the conflicts that we've been
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: privy to her having publicly, there's never been one that
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: was more deserving of patience, more deserving of taking a
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: beat before you respond and really thinking about what's going
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: on in this one with her and our sisters, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: I wish that we would have saw Tamar like do
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: that for one time.
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: I wish we would have seen it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: Although yeah, we have seen progress, I guess, and yes
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: she has been different than she was previously, but these
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: are fucking sisters, you know what I'm saying, And based
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: on what they were talking about, I just would have
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: liked to see her handle it differently because she was right.
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: That's why she had a bag full of you know
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: what I'm saying. She had a hot bag at that table,
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: She had ceasing desists in their phone bills and shit,
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, all kinds of stuff.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: She was scared.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: That's one thing I will say is when people are triggered,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: we have to take logic off the table, because being
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: triggered is an illogical mindset. When you're triggered, you're not
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: being logical, You're time traveling to the past to something
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: that hurts you. And justin I'm not sure if you
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: were here when I said it earlier about how the
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: thing about Ashley was twofold. Nobody does things for one reason.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: It's a document nature, right. We are all people who
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: are used to the industry. We can produce content about
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: something we sincerely care about while still thinking like producers,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: and us being producers doesn't make us insincere. Some people
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: act like just because Tamar knows how to produce that
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: she can't also simultaneously be sincere, which is doesn't make sense.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I think that Ashley triggers her because watching Ashley be
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: silenced and then and then cast away by the family
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: reminds her of what she believes happened to her. Something
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: happened to Ashley, and at a moment allegedly where Ashley
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: should have expected the family to wrap their arms around her,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: they instead shamed her and pushed her away. And so
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: when Tamar says Ashley, Tamar is thinking about baby Tamar,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: and that's why she almost doesn't interchangeably. The argument at
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: the table was about Ashley, but Tamar was like, you're
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: doing it again. The thing you did to me, you're
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: doing it to my niece. Now you're doing it again.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: So yes, I want to get clicks producing it on
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: my show. But also what do we always say, be
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the person who you didn't have when you were growing up,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: and when that's what I want to.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: But one thing that run me the wrong way, and Cam,
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: I don't get man hit it was it became about
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: y'all trying to ruin my business, and fuck that it
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: should not no say what it is like say it's
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: about Ashley, not about the business, because then it took
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit of steam out of that, you know
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: what I mean?
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Like I felt like that they're not there. But the
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: thing what I'm saying is they're not separate there to
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: her in the brain. They don't get separated like that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: That's logic. Again. The way it happens when you have
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: trauma is that what y'all did to Ashley is what
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: y'all did to me. And y'all resent that I was
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: the breakout star and y'all trying to fuck up my
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: business and this is another way that you're trying to
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: fuck up my business. It's not separate like that. We
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: keep on wanting the human experience to be compartmentalized. That's
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: not how the human brain works. When something triggers you,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: it's like tangled chords in the back of a TV set,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: not you and Ashley and me being the breakout star
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: and you guys resenting me and to one of throwing
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: rocks and taking money from me and hiding her hand,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: and it all becomes one big ball that's happened to
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: all of us be out in the moment, and then
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: later be like, I know I was mad about this,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: but now that I'm recognizing.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I was mad about everything gets gets brought up. Is
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that the reason why? Is that the reason why for me?
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Because going back to Towanda, because I do want to
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: be able to have all of us have a healthy
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: discussion because Towanda is getting dragged on social media. And
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: you know how I feel about reality stars. I think,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: like Dustin said, keep it to the show, a lot
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: of y'all doing the most with it, and I don't
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: think it's fair to her, Like if you want to talk.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: About what she did on the show, fine cook.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: But I think when you, I think, when people are
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: doing extreme bullying, I don't like to see it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: But I also, oh girl, they they.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Are dragging her. It's actulutely yeah, that's.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Why I like, it's really bad and I don't want
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: to want.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: To I can look everything too far.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: So what I want to do is this because I
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: agree when you talk about the hierarchy and the reason
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: why I want to go back to the way Tony
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: is positioned in this family of sisters. So look when
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you say, you know, jokingly, I'm the kim kid my family.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: What I will say, and I'm being honest, and I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: told this it doesn't Callia last week. My siblings don't
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: treat me that way. They don't give a fuck about
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: what I do. They like you Carlos, right. But but
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: what I what I saw with the disappointment, not just
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: by her friends.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I do want us to laugh. That was funny. They
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: all did look disappointed.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Whatever somebody said, they were problems and degree I digress.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: It was a Chris.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Foul.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: It's when Tony then came and when when when they
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: when they had the boat, that didn't go to they
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: have a boat, and then Tony showed up being told
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: being Tony Braxon the superstar.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I saw.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I saw the defense and the go down immediately, even
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: when they argue and Trina goes You're the Superstar, stop it.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: And one thing that I didn't talk about last week.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Is you have two sisters fighting right.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: The fact that if y'all look at the body language,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Trina goes in the middle of them and puts her
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: back towards Amar.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: When my siblings are fighting, you grab the both of them.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: It's similar to when Chloe was in the middle of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Courtney and Kim literally fighting each other, and what you
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: saw was Chloe tried to get the buff from them
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: off of each other.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: What I thought was fascinating was this.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: There is something about Tony Braxton when it comes to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the way she's try in the family, and I saw.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: It with you the Superstar Stop It.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: A lot of people are mad at Towanda per saying
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: to Tony, would you like to press charges?
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I'm very mad about that.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Actually, I don't talk about that.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: And then and then we saw that although based on
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: what I've seen the five episodes, Tony has disappointed Towanda
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, but a dinner I miss a
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: child seems to make everything okay.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk to you Blue about that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: What is that about?
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: Lord?
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Okay? So I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm choosing my
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: words intentionally. If you are someone, let's say, I believe
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: everything to Wanna has ever shown us, and I'm not
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: putting on my my equ hat. Right, If you are
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: someone who's like the stick in the ground, is that
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: I am the caring one. I'm the one who makes
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: sure that everything that happens is okay, people have what
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: they needed. There's a crisis, I'm your girl, right, I'm
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: your girl. Crisis, I'm your girl. Tawanda Braxman, how is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: it that you are at what I still call the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: party city bridgeton a bridal thing and you get a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: call from Tony Braxton saying, Angie Stone has just passed away.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Half of my band was on that bus with her.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to rework everything and have extra rehearsals
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: to make up for this epic tragedy, the loss of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: a friend and now the disparaging of what's gonna supposed
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: to be having on my show. And your first thought, as
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: the helpful one who kids about people, right, the compassionate one,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: is I'm annoyed that you can't come to my party.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: And for me, there's these moments where Tuanda's selfishness, the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: part of her who wants to be constantly whatever the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: mass slips off. That was a mass slip off moment
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: for me. If I got a call from Tony D.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Braxton saying that Angie Stone has passed away and half
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: the band it was going to be in my show
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: and so I have to do rehearsals. Fuck Bridgington. In
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: that moment, I would be worried about my sister and
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: the tragedy that just happened. There's a selfishness that keeps
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: poking out this season that I think the audience doesn't
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: have the language, but it's putting a bad taste in
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: their mouth because they feel bamboozled because they used to
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: love her. I're bullying, but I do agree that they're
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: responding to something that is a massive is slipping and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: everybody takes some kind of responsibility for that sum and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: that alone disgusted me.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: Do you think it's selfishness, like just pure selfishness, or
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: do you feel like she's always like okay, she's probably.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Feeling like the middle sisters. I feel like the invisible ones.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: Right, You've got Tony Braxon and you've got Tamar Braxen. Right,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: they get the most attention, they have the most wealth.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: It's about them. It's it's them, right, And you're the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: one that feels overlooked. You're already addressed how she probably
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: isn't like the attractive one all that other stuff that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: goes along with that, right, And yeah, probably some selfishness,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: but also what about me? She probably always feels like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: an act thought, always feels kind of cast aside, always
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: feels like she's.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: You know, you can like not show up to her.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: Shit.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be not double's advocate, but I'm
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: just trying to think about how.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: She's an advocate for this. And the answer to your
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: question is you just describe selfish with three different languages.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: It's all selfish. So one of the things we teach
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: in class is that people pleasers are liars because being
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: a people pleaser means I'm gonna do whatever it takes
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: to be liked. Oh, so the premise is already selfish.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be Like whenever
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: a client says to me, blue, my heart is so big,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: my heart is so big, I'm so generous, I'm so loving,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: nobody's ever there for me. I'm Jesus Christ. I'm about
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: to levitate. I say, those are all pretty ways of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: saying you suck at setting boundaries, take responsibility. And so
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: the thing about Twanda is I understand that she loves
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: her family. I think they all love each other, which
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: is why they're in so much pain. But even that,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: the feet is story of it's oh well, how come nobody?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: That's part of the selfish I'm sorry. You have to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: get to a point where you have to say, what's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: about me? It's going to be about me, what's about you?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: It's going to be about you. And I know how
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: to advocate to get what I need. But when you
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: constantly let people rely on you and don't ask for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: what you want until you are complaining and holding it
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: against their head, there's a thing called fog, fear, obligation,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: and guilt. Tuanta lives fog. Anything you do for Towanda
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: is because you're scared of that narrative. She is wielding
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: it above you. Trina's family was going through their own
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: thing with a husband having some cardiovascular issues. She was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: worried that her husband could die of a cardiac arrest
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: and she still didn't feel safe enough to tell Towanda
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: because of that very narrative. That narrative is the loudest
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: part of her selfishness. I'm gonna use this. Nobody's there
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: for me to guilt you into doing things even when
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: you ain't got it. You think, you know why when
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: I don't have it, I don't advocate for myself. So
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: when you don't have it, you're not allowed to advocate
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: for yourself either. That is selfish.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: I mean, she's been saying that from I know, Claudia,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: you had mentioned that you just started watching this season,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: but people that have been watching film the beginning. Tuanta's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: been saying that for years. She's been I said, I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: don't want to say using that. I don't want to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: say using that right, but she's been saying that for years,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: that she's always there for everybody.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: Ain't nobody there for her.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: She also said it another country off Dustin.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: She did set on my podcast because Dustin was going
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: viral on TikTok.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I asked her. I said, people.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Think you're you're the real villain, and well, people are
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: clocking they're saying instead of saying, no, I'm not the villain.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Or yes I am, they're saying. Towanda's response to Carlos
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: King was, well, if I'm the villain, how am I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: the most reliable?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: How how I was?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: How am I the villain when I offered to carry
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Tamar's baby as a sarrogate? How am I the villain
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: when I'm the one everyone calls them when they need something?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: So these are.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Things constantly, She's constantly weaponizing her virtue. That is selfish
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: and it is manipulative. Objectively speaking, this is not personal
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: for me either, guys, to me these right Although I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: did see Tony Braxton a couple of weeks ago. She's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: very tiny, and she smells good but like and it
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: was a room full of R and B singers and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: she's still Tony D. Braxton in a room.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: When she walk up that boat and the purple is
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: there's something even when she got up in Tamar's face
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and she there is something about her.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: She has that.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: She she has the eye the t like she just
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: she has it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: But it's one thing to have it in the rim
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of celebrity. What I find fascinating is she has it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: in the family to me and that and that I
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: think that's the thing that I can't put my fingers
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: on because even when you talk about let's just say,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: for the argument of another family, the Jackson's and the Kardashians, right,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson obviously gonna be.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: King of pop.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: But what I found so fascinating by, you know, listening
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: to their stories and watching their you know, biography and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, that family never really kissed up to Michael,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was sort of like,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: that's Michael or that's Jen and we call her we
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: call her Dunk because she had she had a big butt.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: We call her Dunk. On the Kardashians, the running joke
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is Chem is Chris favorite, right, because I mean she is.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: But those sisters you saw it Courtney, Courtney has time
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: for Kim like she has time for her, Yes, but.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Those sisters don't bow down to Kim.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I find fascinating about the Braxton's dynamic is there is
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: this halo over Tony that we see as fans. But
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that I feel like they see
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: it too as sisters or.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: That's like that's kind of like maybe I'm not articulating
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: my point as as good, but I do feel like, yes,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: we can sit here and say all the things that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: this one's doing wrong and that one was everyone, But
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: I just.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: Try to think about how they feel.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: May not be right or wrong, but like the Origin
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: story right in your in everyone's mind, you're not doing
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: the wrong because you have your reasons of why you
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: behave like that, why it's selfish, whatever it is.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: But if you're always.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: Seeing someone bow down to this one and then the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: young one comes on that you didn't bank on, like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: Blue said, then she blows the fuck up. I think
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: she feels a little insignificant. I think she feels a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: little invisible. So her thing be yes, I will find
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: my lane here. I gotta find my lane somewhere. That's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: what it looks like to me. Yes, I didn't have
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: the the the the long years of watching.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: I'm just looking.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: I'm coming in as a fresh pair of eyes with them.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: What I think is damn like I've been invisible. I
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: feel invisible a whole life. I kind of got closed
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: with the group that didn't work out for me.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: And then you know, like.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: I'm sure we should have never heard about the allegations
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: of Tamar allegedly stealing a man, and we should actually
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: equally have never heard about I pay your phone bill
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: and even stealing from me. That should have been some shit.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: They protect each other. I feel like that was I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: hated seeing that on television. I hated that like that.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: It's hard to get over. Like it's an episode to us,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: it's their life to them, and that's just gotta hurt,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Responsibility though, Claudia, what you said was perfect. I think
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: you have done a great job of empathizing with how
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: she got here. My issue is, at fifty something years old,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: what comes next. It's not to you, but it's your
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: responsibility to do something about it, and you have not
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: done anything about it in twelve years. At a certain point,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: you're lazy.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Now, well, I'm only five episodes in. I'll let you know.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I gotta, I got, I got, I gotta, I got
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: a big question. I got a big question for you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: for all of them.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Actually, maybe.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: You know we all do. That's why you know we
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: all feel bad for them.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: That's why Destin said, there's some real black family stuff,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: like we all we all understand how bad it is,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: but look, we have a job to do. We're recapping
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: the episode. But we're doing it in a way that's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: thought provoking the biggest question of the evening to me
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: that I want all of us to talk about, because yes,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: we talked about Tawanda the the sort of title that
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: the world is giving her as the real villain. We
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: talked about Tony the superstar. Well we haven't talked about that.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I think needs at least another couple of minutes to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: talk about. Is the underdog being another superstar. One thing
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people are saying, and obviously Tamar
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: intimated this in the conversation about you all jealous of me,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: this grammy throat and all this stuff I did, right, No, no, no, right.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: So that's their culture. We've watched they collectively fight nasty
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: like that and it's icky.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: So I gotta the biggest question I have is this,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: And I did ask Tamar this on when I did
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: my live interview. Tamar, Okay, when Ellie re picked Tony,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: you're the superstar and I'm gonna throw all this money
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: at you to make you one.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: And no shade to Ellie Reid, he did that, like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: he he We all say.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Even forty years later, there's something about Tony Bracks that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: You're just like.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Gee, she's she's that girl. She has it.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: They they were background fingers on the Summer Whole Day's video.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: This is her first album, guys, Okay, they were her
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: background singers. Right years later, Tamar advanced, do this reality show.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It's the bracton family values. We're all watching it because
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: we love Tony and we're all giving her sisters a chance.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: The audience sees Tamar Braxton, and I'll speak for myself.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I saw that show and said, Tony, I'm gonna play
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: the Lee bra album against this.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: But who who is this?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Everybody said, right, I'm like this, this one is somebody
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: that I know for a fact in high school.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: We've been best friends.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: And then not only was her personality a star her
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: first not her first album, but the album that came
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: after the first couple of seasons was Us, a Grammy
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: nominated album. So my question is, with the sisters appearing
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: to always put this halo over Tony, did did they
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: not have enough to give any more when their baby's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: sister became.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: A big star too.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: And and and and and.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Are they dealing are they dealing with?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: We we know what it felt like to give it
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: to Tony okay, but damn now Tamar has it.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: Is that is that what we're seeing displaying today, No
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: yes and no right yes in the sense of they
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: arrived at that point, but the only piece missing, and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: that you lay it out beautifully by the way, Carlos.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: But the only thing, the only piece that I would
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: add is that by the time the Rexton Family values
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: came into you know, their world, Tamar did gain you know,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: stardom from that show, but there had also been years
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: of occurrences prior to that. So the difference in the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: two is they put the halo over Tony's head when
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: she got picked by La Reed back in the day.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: Then Tony becomes famous, they're now the sisters of the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: famous one, and a whole bunch of shit happens over
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: the years that makes.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: Them not like Tamar.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: And then they get into and mind you along that time,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: she marries Vince, who has means, so now she has
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: access to her own financial resources to live a great life,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: you know, which only drew her closer to Tony because
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: now you know, they can kick it and do things
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: without Tony having to be responsible for everything. Naturally, they
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: gravitated towards each other. So then then the show blows
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: up and now Tamar has the stardom element as well,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: but they don't feel like she deserves it because of
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 8: all the shit that happened over the years that they
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: feel like she was at fault for.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: So I think that's the difference.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: When Tony got platformed or pedestal amongst the sisterhood, right,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: she he was still young and innocent. When Tamar got
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: the superstardom from the television show, she was a grown
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: ass woman who they felt had been mistreating them for years,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: and so they really were upset that she they allegedly
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: they may it makes sense to assume that they would
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: have been upset because they didn't feel like she deserved
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: the benefits the stardom, the attention, her being lauded and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: heralded out of amongst all of them, right, But that's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: exactly what happened. So I think that's the difference between
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: the two situations, with both of those sisters becoming the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: stars out of the fray. I think the difference is
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: they wasn't mad at Tony when it happened to her,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: and they've been pissed at Tamar for so long when
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: it happened to her that there is an inherent resentment there.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: There is a part of them that appears to feel
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: like she don't deserve the benefits of what she's getting.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: And once you have resentment towards someone, the last thing
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: you want to see is for them to blow up
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: in your face. That's the last thing you want to see,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: sister or not, you're like, oh, like yeah, I think that's.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: There's only one caveat that I want to put, like
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: an agree, I would change the person who mistreated them
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: to the person who embarrassed them. I don't think it
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: was Tamar bad things. I think they got comfortable seeing
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: her as the embarrassing sister who was the punchline of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: a bunch of jokes. We see you as a clown,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: We clown you as the stereotypical loud too much because
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: to it herself. I'm embarrassed by Tamar. I'm embarrassed by her,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: and Tony is the superstars the superstars.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Embarrassing that that that it was embarrassment.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Tamar wasn't doing these dastly deeds. She was being annoying.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: That is her greatest in my family. And to add
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: to that, that's when Tam.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: That's when Tony said in last week's episode Paying for
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: PR that your your your actions online, I have to
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: pay a publicist embarrassed me.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: And I think that you know why. Embarrassment means I'm
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: being myself and we're incompatible because you find who I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: am annoying. Mistreatment means I am a villain or I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: am doing things that are dastardly. I don't think Tamar
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: was doing dastardly things. I think what's happening is she
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: is grating to their nerves. They find out said that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: she's grading to their nerves right. She does things like
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: she'll start singing. There's the thing I want you guys
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: to learn about called gray rocking. Gray rocking is what
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: happens when someone is trying to be narcissistic around you
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: or make you feel like shit, and you completely shut
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: down being emotional and you detach yourself right Like, let's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: say your parents are cussing you out. You're like, Mama,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: I love you, Stop yelling, Mama, I love you, Mom.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: I'm here to take I'm here to visit you at
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: the facility. Please stop. You do. Gray rocking as the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: way to stay centered and not engage even if you
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: feel like you're being dehumanized or mistreated. Guess what Tamar's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: gray rocking is. She sings. Tamar feels as if she
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: is under attack. She literally will close her eyes, start
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: talking to God and start singing to somebody abby who
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: was untrained. That seems like she's being annoying and dismissive
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: in this field. She's actually gray rocking to steady herself.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: It's something that happens in the moment where you feel
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: triggered and you're trying to make sure that you don't
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: do something that's gonna get you.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: Arrested than that friend, because think about it, Think back
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 8: and think about that scene back in then you've been
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: watching it.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: You get it blue.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: Remember when Tamar went around the table like your man
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 8: don't work, yo, man, I want to.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: Do here we go, okay, young man a cheata young man,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: a computer with cheat, young man, make money.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Off of you. I said this one by here he different.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: Now she did that. Oh yeah, let's give that was.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Emmy award winning or sorry, Tony, something not only some
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: you deserve it in this bar.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: Now that's the only piece I would add because I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: agree she does get on their nerves, right, But I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: think that they also feel that in addition to getting
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: on their nerves, she has been harmful.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: To them in a way that was on camera.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like you tried like
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: you're trying to embarrass me. You going there about personal matters.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: She knew that they money went up as high as hers,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: and she would call their niggas broke on the show
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 8: and all kinds of shit, like she would cross lines
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: habitually that people understood to be beyond disrespectful.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: And so I think it's a mix of both.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: I think it's what the poor of contention is. I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: think before the show she was embarrassing. I think when
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: she got to the show and was being pushed aside
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: or dismissed and realized that she was popular, that's when
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: she could finally attack back. Guys, I think the timeline matters.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: I think when you are the this happened to me,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: and it's probably happened to you guys. Right, you're in
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: a group and you could tell I'm the person in
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: the group chat that people are probably not responding to.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Like everybody else, we know who's the most popular person
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: in the group chat. They say, Hiyody, oh girl, we
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: missed you. My friend was just complaining about this last
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: week somebody else in the group chat. Yo, here's a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: five paragraph about what I went through, and it's like, oh,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: everybody's read it.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: And when I'm doing.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: People used to leave on read in the group chat.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Imagine we introduced three million new people to the group
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: chat and suddenly they're responding to me. Now that they're
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: finally responding to me, now I'm going to get my
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: lick back, the chronological order matters.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: No, I don't know Blue. This is the only reason I'm.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Not saying she's perfect. What I'm saying is she finally
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: had momentum. She's always been petty, but Petty's momentum is different.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: But she been had the moment on Blue because think
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: about it, she married Vince, who is a superstar talent manager.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: It's pictures and video of her vacation and topless protecting
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: Lady Gaga from being exposed to the properazic Caniraal.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about money, We're talking about public.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: Even with that right, as far as her being ignored
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: in the group chests, so to speak, right, Tamar was
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: best friends with Tiny for years. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: Tamar has lots of long Claudia, you know, you just
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: brought up Tiny tonight from back in the day, and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: that was that was way later in their friendship. They
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 8: had been friends for years up to that point.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: I think that was like twenty eleven.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: And Tamar has always been She's always been Tony Braxton's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: baby sister who could sing who She always had this personality.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: We just didn't get introduced to it until Braxton Family Values.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: But behind the scenes, Tamar been kind of that girl
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: for a minute.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: So it's not like she was.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 8: Somewhere in a corner, you know what I'm saying where
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: they was like, oh, that's just our annoying baby sister.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: No, Tamar was living, had a.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: Full life, ended up marrying rich, staying, and she was
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 8: in the circles in the mix.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: She just wasn't on television.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: And so I think that once the addition of agreeing
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 8: with y'all right, once the addition of the television cameras
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: came in, that was too much for some of them
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 8: sisters to handle.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: That's what I believe.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: I believe it was fine until the rest of the
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: world was privy to it. But I don't for one
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 8: second think that Tamar was somewhere being an ignored, feeble
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: you know child that was and they got it and
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 8: broke out.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: No, it's about currency, guys. Tamar wanted to be the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: next Tony, and I think we have to not conflate
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: what we know behind the scenes versus what the audience knows,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: because it's a different currency. There are people Crowls contested
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: this who are rich and famous in no celebrities who
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: would give a path their fortune just to be known
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: by the public. You cannot conflict the two, you cannot
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: conflate them. And so what I'm saying is Tamar's currency
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: wasn't what you just listed. Her currency was US. And
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: the minute we got behind her, it put a battery
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: in her pack and she finally started getting her look back,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: which was immature. Tamar retell you herself. She was immature,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: which was dispectful. Tama retell yourself. It was disrespectful. But
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: even Macaudy was saying earlier, Tamar grew up in a
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: fan where imagine, if you're going to an audition, right
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: and dust, then you see three men who look just
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: like you. Mm hm, You're like, well, I gotta be
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: the best of these, the four of us, because they
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: all look like me. Right, there's a competition that happens
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: in an audition. Now what happens with the audition is
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: against your brothers. Tamar has been taught since she was
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: a child to be in competition with women who she
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: shares blood with and has not felt safe. So when
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: she means a Claudia Jordan, her first reaction is, I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: don't trust women, because even the women who look like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: me I can't trust. I'm definitely not gonna trust somebody.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: Else alike them. Braxtons lookike.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: You've seen strong Kwanda daughter and Ashley and type.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: They all look alike. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 8: She had moved her hair back one time in one
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 8: of them scenes, and I was like, she looks just
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 8: like Ashley and Tamar. They all look alike. They're pretty family.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: They all look alike.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: I think currency is important, guys, because one of the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: things I will say is a lot of people in
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: the industry know me. Less than one hundred people probably
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: know me outside of the industry, Right, I'm the person
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: who knows everybody behind the scenes, I don't know, so
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: people are acting like I'm new. I'm years into my career.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: But because I stepped from producing to be in front
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: of the camera, Now'm anukid on the block twenty one
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: years into my That's what happens to tamor You know
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: how I know because my old ass was listening to
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: her first actual album in college. I was looking to
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Tamar's first album when I was in college in the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: late nineties. And so I need you guys to understand
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: that there's a Peter Pan happening with Tamar because I
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: clocked Twanda at the clock Tamar. Tamar was having a
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: second puberty at forty on camera that are knowingly immature,
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  Speaker 3: that are based on the stunted growth of for not
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: being able to evolve behind the scenes in the way
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  Speaker 3: that was probably healthier. And I'm gonna say this, her
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: mother stepping in could have changed this. There's a thing
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: that happens with the mother. And this is not a blame.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: It's just talking about moments that were lost for her accountability.
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  Speaker 3: Her mother had said, Hey, I know Twanda that you
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  Speaker 3: and Tamar and Tony had that big melee. Let's have
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  Speaker 3: a conversation. I'm gonna bring all my girls together and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk. But instead of what is happening
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: in this family is they're comfortable being in clusters. Oh,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: Tamar is not talking, and so and so. So we're
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  Speaker 3: all come being in this corner? Was I talking? So
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: and so? We're comfortable be in this corner. There there's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: a lack of rearing that these women still need in
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: their forties and fifties, unfortunately, that they probaly didn't give
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  Speaker 3: when they were younger. And I honestly think that that
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: Tony being a superstar so early is why the matriarchal
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  Speaker 3: role isn't coming away the way it needs to.
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  Speaker 4: What advice would you give to the mom?
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  Speaker 5: I know it's late now, forties and fifties, right, so
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know a lot of tuff people should
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: have been done, but moving forward to get to a
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  Speaker 5: better healthier place.
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  Speaker 4: If you could give advice to mom Evelyn, what would.
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  Speaker 5: You tell her, like if she could she go back
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  Speaker 5: and make repair some of this damage in the family
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: that you're saying that you that you're that you.
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  Speaker 4: Think, what do you think? What would your advice to
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  Speaker 4: her be?
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  Speaker 3: That's a beautiful question and to be perfectly honest, and
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: it's it's the same thing that I said about Tamar
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  Speaker 3: when you ask me, what could Tamar do? Acknowledgment? There's
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: no safety without acknowledgment. If I'm gonna tell you right now,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get emotional. If Twanda and Trina
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: and Tony sat down with Tamar and said, you get
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: on our nerves sometimes, and we've all said horrible things
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: to each other, and we love you. We think you're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: deeply talented, and we are sorry for any pain we
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: might have unintentionally caused you or made you feel unseen,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Tamar would probably start sobbing because it would feel like
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: her feelings were finally being acknowledged. I think what happens
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: with all the sisters is they're all in pain in
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: these little silos saying do you see me? Do you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: see me? Do you see me? No one ever gets acknowledged.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: On that I watched the whole thing over again before
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: I came here. No one ever gets acknowledged. And when
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: I was younger, I saw this thing on Oprah. Shout
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: out to Oprah, and they said that all human beings
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: walk around the world asking the same three questions, Do
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: you hear me? Do you see me? Do I matter?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: Nobody on the rack Stents has ever said yes to
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: those questions to each other explicitly hear except for Tony,
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  Speaker 3: I hear you, I see you, and I matter. If
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: their mother was to sit them down and explain to them,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: there are no good guys or bad guys. There are
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: moments where I might have failed you because I didn't
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: army with the ability to show up for each other
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: as sisters. Twanda, we love the fact that you take
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: care of us. How about you stop being so transactional
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: and just want to show up for you, tell us
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: what you need and will create space for you. Trina,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: get rid of the Canadian accent. Tamar, I know you smissed, Tamar.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: I know you get dismissed a lot. You're not always wrong. Sometimes,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: even if you stay in a way that we don't like,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: you're not always wrong. Simply acknowledging impact has a very
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: deep seated reaction in people's hearts. I've watched gang members
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: who I used to work with back in the day
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: talk about impact, and you see grown men crying because
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: you finally see me. Tawanda and Tamar are both crying
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: the same thing. Nobody sees me. Nobody sees me, Nobody
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: sees me. Start with your mom, see them, see all
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: of them, good and bad, rather than letting these archetypes persist.
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  Speaker 8: I also think everybody needs to realize they grown as hell,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: their kids growing as hell, and at a certain point,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 8: although you have baggage and issues from childhood, you got
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 8: to fast.
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  Speaker 6: Forward to where you're at today with certain shit, right, Like.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 8: There are things that are immediately deserving of our attention.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. I just had a conversation
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: with my brother. Y'all know I talked to my brother
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 8: every day. I had a conversation with him earlier this
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 8: morning about some family shit, and we were just saying,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: how like yeah, but like today, you know what I mean,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 8: who are you? How do you show up in your
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 8: relationships type shit? And that's the first thing they need
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 8: to do. Then they need to sit in a padded
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: room because as you can see, they might kick each other,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: So they need to be in a padded room.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 8: And do exactly what Blue said, look at each other
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 8: and just lay it the fuck out for real. That's
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 8: what you got to do was resistant. I'm sorry, Claudia,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 8: but the mama was resistant to that. When they did
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 8: that workshop with Iyanla on the show The Moms, Miss
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 8: Evelyn was resistant to be very resistant to Ianda helping.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 8: She refused to commit to the process and all of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: that kind of stuff. So I just think that that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: coupled in with the religious idea of you know what
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: I'm saying, you're in the church and there's a way
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: to do things and ship. I think there's been a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 8: lot of necessary conversations that simply haven't happened out of
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 8: respect and out of an old way of doing things.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: So yeah, I'm with my girl Blue. There's just some
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 8: accountability that needs to be passed around, like orders.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: I think with this group though, outside of looking in,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: is who would go first? Because everybody feels like but me,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: but my pain, but I but me. I think it's
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: never gonna happen. Honestly, I really.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: They're selfish Claudia to finally come around.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're not, but I'm just saying, like,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: it ain't just Tamar, I mean, it's not all of them.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's a little bit heavy anti Tijuana
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: on this and more pro temar and I think everyone
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: has a pain on this. And depending on who you
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: talk to first, you know, I mean, oh yeah, she
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: did that, you know what I mean? Whoever you say
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: it down with and you hear hear from their mouth,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: it's gonna make sense to you, right. No, but she
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: did this to me like it's who came what came first,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: the chicken or the egg. And I just feel like
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: nobody would want to go first, to be the one
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: to humble themselves, to say you know what, I see
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: you and I understand and how I did you wrong
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: or whatever.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: No one wants to do that, like we've seen this.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm new to this, but that is who that
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: is the brave person, the one person who can.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: Come forward amongst those sisters and say it. Whether it's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: the mother or.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: The sisss, I will give them the ultimate props. Hopefully
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: one of them does do it, and see.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: How it didn't.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: It didn't go well because here's the thing, and this
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: is not I will say this. I'm not being team
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: to Tamar. I'm being team counterbalancing the edit. The edit
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: has heavy on one end, and my Gemini rising means
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: if you're too heavy here leawers will understand. I gotta
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: put it over here, right, So we're counterbalancing the edit
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: that's making her seem like a one dimensional villain when
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: she's actually an unsympathetic a victim. Right. We have to
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: be careful, though. Tamar literally went on camera and said,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: I have been diagnosed with anxiety. I'm a medication. I've
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: realized that a lot of my behaviors is because I
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: am mentally unstable, and I'm working on my stability, and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: that's why I win. When Twanda said, well, I don't
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: argue with sick people, That's what I'm saying is when
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: you tell somebody I've been to the lady and she said,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not all the way rap tighte. They got me
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: on lexapro and a couple of other things. I'm realizing
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: now that my mental is not the way it needs
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: to be, and your family weaponized that against you. I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: don't know who's gonna go first, but it can't be
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Tamar now, simply because it's already been thrown back in
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: her face.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: It has to be again. I hate to bring myself
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: into it. It has to be Tony because the thing
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: is this you clocked it blue. Early on in the episode,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: there is something about the oldest child being a woman.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: There's something because as yeah, it's like a second mother,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: it really is. And on top of that, Tony Braxton
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: is the only one that they all respect, even yeah,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: they listen to her.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: I think, Tony, next.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Week, we'll do this next week, and please remind me,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: please remind me, so this is gonna be good. Typically,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: the oldest sister is the one who sawt of rallies
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: the troops of the siblings.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: And calls shit out.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: I'm forty six, and my oldest, my sister, who's the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: oldest of.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Ten, she's in her early fifties.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Till this day, we all low keate listen to her
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: when she holds court. I am curious, though, why Tony
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Braxton doesn't show up as that, because yes, we can
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: talk about how we didn't like when Tamar said, and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I agreed, right, my.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Grammy throwing all this stuff and bragging them whatever.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I didn't like when Tony said,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm Tony Braxton.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Don't fuck with a heavy hitter.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, like right, So I think I think Tony also
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: has to show up not as the superstar who shows
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: up with the bolt that doesn't move, but I'll take
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: you child, I'll pay for it, but show up as
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: the oldest sister who has to do the job of
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: getting the girls back together.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: And I want to say, I don't think Tamar is
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: the villain. I do not think Tamar is the villain.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: I will say, we can all make the other person
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: feel like the victim, seem like the villain when we
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: tell our side of the story. But I think they
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: all weaponize things against each other. Yeah, we's Tony Braxton
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: with I'm the Superstar, with Tamar putting her sister on
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: blast about the bills and you being broke. We all
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: know that she makes someone that was kind of wrong
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: and with them when they with Tawana saying the thing
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: about I don't talk to sick people. That was all
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: fucked up. There's enough blame to go across the board.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: Nobody is innocent here, right, Yet no one does have
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: to start it. I do think it needs to be
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: Tony or the mama.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: I make sure it Matrich have.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 8: To do it, and and honestly, the person should do
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: it is the damn brother because it's his daughter.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: That they run over him.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: That's my think about it, doesn't that's why he's never
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: been on the show.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he want No, he's a nurse. He wants no
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: parts of this. No, he's a nurse. He's like, I don't.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: Know, it's just I live.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: But I will say is next week, next week, rain drops,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: the four of us, we're gonna dissect the dynamic between
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Tony and Tamar because what what what happens when you
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: are the superstar and somebody is on your heels?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: What happens?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, you think you take that a that's a
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: good question.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: It's a good question.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what happens when you have been
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Harold did as the superstar and then all of a
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: sudden you have your baby sisters on your heels, the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: annoying one.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: So we'll die out.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: That they also use her start them to like shut you, shut.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: You the hell up when they want to like sun
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: you she's the superstar and you're like, okay, I don't
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: count as much.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: Definitely a lot of.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Little we'll dive into. We'll dive into that next week
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: in addition to the episode.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: But I was like, great, I didn't because you know,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: I got a lot of areas and tourists and shipp
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: in my chart, so I worried about scaring.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: People like.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: This was good, This was good. This is good. So
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Ray Johns, We'll be back next week.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Claudia, dust It Blue, thank you for another amazing episode.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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• 1:33:58
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• 1:34:02
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• 1:34:05
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