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Patriots Unfiltered 4/11: Pros and Cons of Drafting a RB in the First Round, Recent Mock Drafts and Top Draft Needs for Pats · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Please teach Duce how to read emails. Thursday's show was
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  Speaker 1: a meltdown for some reason. Mike can't host and read
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. When he does read, it's very
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  Speaker 1: round of epic draft shows. Love the show, loyal twelve
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  Speaker 1: year listener. That's good. She's right. I appreciate the constructive criticism,
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  Speaker 1: so I will I will take that in mind. I
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  Speaker 1: certainly do well because sometimes you start to read, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: an email. And you start to read an email, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, tack and well. As much as I like
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  Speaker 1: to make fun of Fred when he's not paying attention
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  Speaker 1: to what we're saying, he's generally reading the email setting
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  Speaker 1: up the next one. Yeah, he's facilitating like a ball,
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  Speaker 1: like a ball distributor. You know, I got but a
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  Speaker 1: little inside baseball. We've been busy this week filming something
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  Speaker 1: don't know what we can say and not say, but
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  Speaker 1: like the director doing nothing. Just no, but he oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: and he's looking at the monitor at the at the
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  Speaker 1: scene in his little director and he looked like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: You'll see it in a couple of months. Yeah, certain,
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  Speaker 1: Wait a couple of months, about a month, About a month? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like you better hurry. I don't know what time.
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  Speaker 1: it's probably our most ambitious effort yet. Yeah, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of moving pieces, a lot of patriots, former patriots, current
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  Speaker 1: future patriots. Come on, man, you're you're like the people
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  Speaker 1: who like look at the spoilers online. Yeah, what do
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  Speaker 1: you tell me? What's going on in session? That's what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen to them. He already caught that spoiler.
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  Speaker 1: He's the kid that you don't tell about the surprise
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  Speaker 1: party because he's just gonna ruin the surprise. Probably probably
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  Speaker 1: they don't want me anywhere near this shoot. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know where it is. I don't know the address.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just they told me, Oh, we don't need you.
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  Speaker 1: Just just go be on radio next week. You're fine, person.
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  Speaker 1: You stick to the draft. Yeah, stick to the draft.
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  Speaker 1: I know your strains, all right, So what do we
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  Speaker 1: got going here? Everybody? I feel like we're in like
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  Speaker 1: the draft. It's like slowdown period where everything just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like slows down a little bit. It's quiet. There
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  Speaker 1: aren't really a lot of personnel moves. OBJ. We could
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  Speaker 1: talk about that one, but it just feels like silly season.
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  Speaker 1: This is where rumors just go and that's all you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of hearing. There's not a lot of like nobody's
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  Speaker 1: really adding to the team right now. Yeah, we're at
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  Speaker 1: that point where it's like, you know, twenty seven teams
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  Speaker 1: they're interested in trading up with Arizona to get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to their spot. You know, that kind of silly season stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure some of it is based in reality, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really gonna come down to four for
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  Speaker 1: those teams, like three, four, you know, five, who feels
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  Speaker 1: strongly enough about one of the quarterbacks to take them
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  Speaker 1: one of the other quarterbacks because it certainly looks like
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  Speaker 1: Bryce Young is going to go one to Carolina. That's
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  Speaker 1: I know. Peter King kind of indicated that, Albert Brier
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  Speaker 1: kind of indicated that seems to be some traction for
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  Speaker 1: Young going to Carolina where Stroud comes. But then does
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  Speaker 1: Indie Indians at four? I think, yeah, do they feel
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  Speaker 1: strongly about will levis right? Or stronger class than last
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  Speaker 1: year in terms of quarterbacks? Yeah, about the year before. No,
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  Speaker 1: about equal, I would say, but next year, but there's
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  Speaker 1: no Trevor Lawrence in this next year is the oh no, no,
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  Speaker 1: not like not a profile of that kind of guy,
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  Speaker 1: because these like I mean, obviously Bryce Young is so small, yep,
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  Speaker 1: so it's it's it's a lot different. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think this is as good as that class, even even
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  Speaker 1: though that class has kind of been man well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence took a while, but he's cut up going. But
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  Speaker 1: based on coming out, like, yeah, yeah, I think what
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  Speaker 1: we thought of those five guys as as opposed I think,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess I'm what I'm getting to is I
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  Speaker 1: think these guys are getting a little inflated. They always do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, well, well sometimes it's you know, it's deserveful.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Zach Wilson got into the top three of
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  Speaker 1: the draft all because of what happened after the season,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, all because he looked good throwing the football.
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  Speaker 1: In short, So I think that this happens a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But I think this class, more than maybe any other
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  Speaker 1: class in recent memory, has had some guys that performed
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  Speaker 1: well actually on tape, not just in the combine and
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  Speaker 1: at Pro days and things like that. They have really
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  Speaker 1: good film, all four of us of Levis, Richardson, Stroud,
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  Speaker 1: and Young. Who has the biggest upside Richardson not Yeah, easily?
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  Speaker 1: Why because he's most athletic. He's Cam Newton. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: in a good way though, Yeah, prime Cam. But Cam
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  Speaker 1: Newton was better in college than Richardson, is right, But
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  Speaker 1: Evan's right in terms of upside, that's potential. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: highest ceiling. I agree with Evan. Is it fair though
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  Speaker 1: to compare him to Cam Newton? Well, you're asking me.
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  Speaker 1: I gave you a ceiling comparison. If it works, it's
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  Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Cam Newton's floor was probably a lot higher
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  Speaker 1: than Anthony Richardson. Yeah, yeah, right, correct, I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: how I look at it. Yeah, Levis has a good arm,
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  Speaker 1: but not accurate, you know, not as mobile as Richardson. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: His his twenty twenty two film is awful. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna have some decisions problems with decisions that ye
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  Speaker 1: times for Levis and then you know young like I
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  Speaker 1: want to like him, but he's so small, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's small. He's not Kyler Murray small though he's he's
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  Speaker 1: six feet tall, he is. Is he as fast as Murray? No,
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  Speaker 1: but he's a better pure passer in the pocket than
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  Speaker 1: Murray is. He's better, like feel for just innate quarterbacking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: then Kyler did. Kyler was an athlete. Is there a
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  Speaker 1: chance CJ. Stroud is the first quarterback picked? Sure? I
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  Speaker 1: was listening to that. I feel like this morning when
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  Speaker 1: I was working out, not trying to plug that in
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  Speaker 1: there they were they were saying, they were saying that
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  Speaker 1: it could be like, you know, a coin flip of
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  Speaker 1: who was. Yeah, it's going to be a tough like
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  Speaker 1: and everyone's mock drafts. They've been flipping back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. So should be interesting,
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  Speaker 1: but I think just adds so much interest to the
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  Speaker 1: draft now with how important quarterbacks have always been important,
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  Speaker 1: but it just feels like there's so much put on
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  Speaker 1: getting that guy now, and with four guys like this
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  Speaker 1: that I mean, I don't know if you want to
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  Speaker 1: count Levis in that group, but it just it feels
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  Speaker 1: like there's gonna be a lot of jockey and going on, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right now, I'm sure that you know what
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  Speaker 1: are team's gonna do, Like if a team was just
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  Speaker 1: as absolutely in love with CJ. Strout, you know what
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  Speaker 1: are they willing to give up to get him? I
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  Speaker 1: I just think the value of quarterbacks now and how
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  Speaker 1: explicit it is within the league, it just seems to
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  Speaker 1: add this whole level of drama. It didn't exist last
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  Speaker 1: year where it wasn't this quarterback class. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: now it's what's gonna happen, Who's gonna trade up, who's
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  Speaker 1: gonna you know? I think we know probably won, but
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  Speaker 1: after that it could get interesting. I think it's also
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  Speaker 1: once you get past Strout and young Levis and Richardson
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  Speaker 1: are high variance prospects. So if you're a team like
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Set four. Are you taking that risk that
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  Speaker 1: the floor is on the ground for those two guys
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  Speaker 1: versus Strout and Young who are as high a floor
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  Speaker 1: prospects as maybe you're gonna have over the next couple
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  Speaker 1: of years. I would say, I mean, Caleb Williams, I
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  Speaker 1: think is gonna be a Trevor Lawrence type of prospect
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  Speaker 1: next year. And May the kid from UNC is pretty
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  Speaker 1: good too. But I think that those two guys in
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  Speaker 1: terms of floor are as high a floor prospects as
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  Speaker 1: we've seen in the last couple of years. And if
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  Speaker 1: you're Indie at four, or if you're the Raiders, or
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  Speaker 1: if you're Seattle and you're trying to head your bets
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  Speaker 1: behind your veterans or maybe look for longer term answers,
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  Speaker 1: are you okay with a potential huge bus factor with
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  Speaker 1: Bot that could be bad for the Patriots if if
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  Speaker 1: that ends up happening, because then those two guys start
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  Speaker 1: to fall. Well, that's what my next question was, Any
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  Speaker 1: chance that all four go before the Patriots pick, which
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  Speaker 1: then would be good for them. I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: chance of that. But that's why like the Indie Seattle
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  Speaker 1: four or five thing, that Evan just mentioned, like indies
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  Speaker 1: waited and waited and waited. Right now, you're gonna you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna end up picking will Levis. That's the guy you
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  Speaker 1: were waiting for. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna take
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. I know a lot of people don't even
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't even convince that Houston's going to
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  Speaker 1: do it. And Houston is right there, you know, can
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  Speaker 1: take Stroud or Young, whoever's available. That's what's different about
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  Speaker 1: this class too than two years ago, is that you
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  Speaker 1: don't really have the handful of elite receivers to maybe
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  Speaker 1: TAC two. If you can't get the quarterback, you can
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  Speaker 1: get Jamison Williams, you know, you can get Wilson like that.
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  Speaker 1: You don't really have those guys. And if you if
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  Speaker 1: you don't get a quarterback, you're not gonna be able
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  Speaker 1: to get that exciting kind of piece like you might
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  Speaker 1: have to All right, well we got to go to
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  Speaker 1: a tackle now where I mean, you know there are
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  Speaker 1: defensive ends up there too that you might bring a
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  Speaker 1: little juice. But I just I think I look increasingly
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  Speaker 1: more about the draft somewhat through the prism of needing
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  Speaker 1: to generate excitement and to you know, to get your
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  Speaker 1: fans on board and to put butts in training camp
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  Speaker 1: seats and those kind of things. It's just it's it's
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  Speaker 1: an interesting mix this year where you don't really have
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  Speaker 1: those wide receivers to kind of complement this quarterback group. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the strength of this draft classes, as your analogy is
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  Speaker 1: putting the wheels on the tires. Right edge rusher's tackles,
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  Speaker 1: tight ends, corners like these are not necessarily the positions
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  Speaker 1: that put training camp butts in the seats as as
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  Speaker 1: you're putting it. But there are positions that you look
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  Speaker 1: back on and you're like, oh, we have a really
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  Speaker 1: solid left tackle that now we're talking about second contracts
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  Speaker 1: or Paris Johnson and it's this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a Matt White situation where he's here for ten years.
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  Speaker 1: You know, those guys are important too. It's funny you
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  Speaker 1: say that, though I haven't because, like I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: had Cold Strange last year that was a loaded pick
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  Speaker 1: just because of where he was selected. And but I
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  Speaker 1: think even if they had taken any guard at that point,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it would have been a similar just kind
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  Speaker 1: of lack of energy around the pick. But people are saying, now,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that left tackle is a need, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: okay if they take Scronsky Paris Johnson. But I also
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  Speaker 1: wonder that there's still gonna be a significant contingent of
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  Speaker 1: Patriots fans that are like, oh, an offensive lineman, you
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  Speaker 1: know where where it's a pick, there's no there's no
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  Speaker 1: question about that, but to make it, to make it
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  Speaker 1: even duller, I was reading today that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: teams are thinking about moving Scronsky into guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean he he could be a guard. If you
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  Speaker 1: listen to the the podcast on offensive Lineman, you heard
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  Speaker 1: might do so, I've heard he might be a guard,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: debate the position flexibility of certain prospects. I'm hearing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of good things about this running back from Texas. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like Fred got the Beasts yesterday. You have
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  Speaker 1: you have to listen to Thursday's show where if we
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  Speaker 1: pick him at swearing and talking about snacks, you're running.
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  Speaker 1: You will be upset if we pick him at fourteen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want that at fourteen. Okay. I've gone back
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  Speaker 1: and forth on it. Where is he supposed to go? Fourteen? Fourteen?
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  Speaker 1: He could go, He could be you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: the running back be Jean Robinson. You're talking, Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: could go in the in the first round. Absolutely if
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  Speaker 1: he if this was twenty five years ago, then be
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  Speaker 1: Jean Robinson be the number one over I'll pick in
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  Speaker 1: the draft. Really yes, or you'd have a team to
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  Speaker 1: get him. He's that good. He has the potential to
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  Speaker 1: be that good. Now the draft is uncertain, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to sit here and say he's he's a
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, like I don't know, like he might be.
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  Speaker 1: He might be you know, Leonard Fournette, Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but he's got the potential to be that good. Now
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  Speaker 1: there's better than Barkley coming out. I think they're comparable.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, if I had to like use a pro
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  Speaker 1: comparison for Bijean, it would probably be no injury. But
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  Speaker 1: what does it look like here if they took us,
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  Speaker 1: what does that look like? Putting him with how they
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: traditionally use running backs? You know, like it's just it's hard,
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  Speaker 1: Like what do you do with Romandre Stevens, Like what
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: do you do Pierre Strong? What do you do with
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Kevin Harris? All those guys just out now, Like it's
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: just that's what I like. I mean, Kenny, you know, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, if if this guy's as good as
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  Speaker 1: Evan says he is, I'm not worried about Kevin Harris
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  Speaker 1: or Pierre Strong. What are you worried Romandre? A little bit?
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  Speaker 1: Are you worried that they're not going to play him
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  Speaker 1: enough to really work together to that ceiling? You know?
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: That's that's so they can't work together, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is the biggest reason why I'm against it, because they're
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  Speaker 1: the same They're the same player, they're they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's the biggest issue that I have with it
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  Speaker 1: is Romandre went for what seventeen hundred scrimmage yards last year?
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: How much better can you really be? Like he went
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  Speaker 1: for seventeen hundred scrimmage yards in an offense that we
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  Speaker 1: all agree was completely broken. Well, okay, but here you go.
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  Speaker 1: So he yes, he did seventeen hundred scrimmage yards. But
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: it's not the question of how much can the running
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: back be, it's how much better can the offense be? Right?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I just don't know. I don't know how
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: based off of everything that we know about running backs,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much better be Jean Robinson really
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: makes you He's an unbelievably talented player. And this is
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: where you know, my my draft nerd me and then
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: like my, you know, the other side of me get
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: into into conflict because I can he's probably the best
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: player in the draft, but he's also a running back,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and you have to factor in that you pretty much
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: are set there. If the season were to start tomorrow,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: you'd be have a really good running back room. And
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: then you also have to look at just the positional
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: value overall of a running back, so you're more you're
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: a need over best guy available person. I think that
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: teams lie to you. That's that they take the best
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: player available. I think what they do is they try
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: to find the sweet spot of the best player available
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: being a position of need, like the Patriots last year
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: when they traded down and took a guard. So Bijean
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Robinson is you cannot make the argument that he's a need.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: He's there's there's no side of it that makes him
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a need for the Patriots. But he's probably going to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: be the most talented player on the board if they
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: pick at fourteen. So I mean you could argue that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: one of the least needy positions. I cannot argue that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Yeah, if you tried to argue,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I would say, I'm not arguing that would be truly a.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: You know, we think he's just so much better. If
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: he's just that much better, you can't pass on him.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: We got again now. I just think that the NFL
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: was trending towards running a triple option. Then yes, drapped him.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But no, wow, no love, I mean, she got it,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: she nailed it. Yeah, I mean that's usually how I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the nerd in me usually feels that way. I think
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: running backs are very, very replaceable. I think here they've
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: shown that the running backs are very replaceable. It's really
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: helped their offense. I just I think if you have
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a guy, it's done very well for them over the years. Yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about recently. If you're who was the best
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: player last year? The running back, every offense running back
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you're drafted before that, every offense has a best player.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean the offense, but but my point is
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the philosophy of treating running backs like old socks and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: just going on to the next one. YEA worked for
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: them even last year with no offense. They had Damian
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Harris as a third round pick four years ago. Yeah,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: they took another one in the third round two years later,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: who was just as good, if not better. Well, you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: replace the position, but that offense got worse, but not
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: because of that. I'm not saying it that was big,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying if you haven't. I think if you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: have a generational talent at any position on offense, it's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: gonna make your offense better. Yeah. I'm with Evan, like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: has the Giant's offense gotten better? Well, he's so in
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and out. I mean, was Carolina's offense better with McCaffrey, Like, yes, No,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. They couldn't move the ball. Yeah, Now, it
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't Christian McCaffrey's fault that they couldn't move the ball.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: He's an excellent player. Yeah, that's exactly. You put him
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: on San Francisco and boy and their offense was exactly
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the same. He started producing immediately because he's a really
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: good player. Friend, just like George Kittles and Deepo samuel Is,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: those guys continue to produce like they always do. When
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I think what you've seen and it is that if
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you make the running back like in San Francisco is
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a perfect example. When the running back is the cherry
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: on top, that's a different conversation than our entire offense
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: is now going to run through this player, and just
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the efficiency of it just doesn't line up with the data.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Like the data to suggests that teams that are built
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that way are not only just worse than teams that
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: are built to pass the football, but also just have
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a particular ceiling offensively. And I think a great example
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: would be like the Tennessee Titans, Like that would be
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: what prime Derrick Henry Tennessee is what you're hoping that
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you would be if your whole thing is built through
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And are you saying that by taking any running back
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: at fourteen in the first round, you have to build
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: your offense around him? Now now you're obligated because also
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to build it around I'm just saying, like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: can can you know I don't want to call it wasting,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: but let's use that word wasting a first round pick
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: on a running back? Can you still be a passing
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: offense to who? Like, if you're gonna be a passing offense,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna you have to get a pass catcher. You know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: let's just say that, you know, you believe the pundits
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and these wide receivers in this class aren't first round worthy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So you pick a wide receiver in the second round,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and you and you still say, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: with Mike Kasicki and everybody else that we're gonna pass first.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: But we've got this guy that the other team has
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to honor and it's going to help our offense. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: think we've got Romond. But now if you say, if
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you were the Bills at fourteen, be Jean Robinson on
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: their offense with what they already have with wide receivers,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. And so for them, you're saying you'd
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: be okay to take him in the first round. They're
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: also picking eight. Yeah. Yeah, So I mean that's a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: little different. That's like Sony Michelle Yah yeah. I mean
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: at the end of the first round. That's such a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: great points. I was just gonna say that the biggest
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: thing that turns me away from this whole conversation is
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the fact that this reported that the Patriots are intrigued
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: by him, which just seems like why would that get out?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Like everybody, Yeah, I'm not every team. Every team wants
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: everything out there, they want all everything out there. We're
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: interested in everybody, you know, Yeah, every team is intrigued
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: by him. He's the best player in the draft. Like
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're watching any of these guys, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you're not, and you don't watch Bijean Robinson, you're like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: holy crap. He forced one hundred and four miss tackles
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: last year at Texas. One hundred and four, Like that's insane.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how that trans can catch the ball.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm interested to see how that translates over
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just because Big twelve defense is trash, Like you don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: play defense, you play offense. If you look at those
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: scores in all the Big twelve games and fairness, defense
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is trash horrible like Baylor, West Virginia, Texas. Those scores
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: are like sixty and the fifties, Like that's not normal.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: The one hesitation that I did have it was against Alabama,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: which is the best team that he played last year.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: They were he was twenty one for seventy or something
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: like that. So that that's in Alabama wasn't even great
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: defensive my last year, right, not Alabama greet their offensive line. Texas'
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: offensive line got dominated at the point of attack, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: even a running back as good as Bijean Robinson can't
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: run through three people at the line of scrimmage. And
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: he didn't have the best game. Now, he did catch,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, three passes for like seventy yards on top
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of the seventy one yards that he rushed for. But
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: one of those things with UM with Robinson, and I understand, like,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player. I'm not telling
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you say Quon Barkley stunk coming out or Christian mckett.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Those guys are really really good players, and they're good
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: NFL players when they're healthy. Um, I hate the notion of,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you know, why not just you know, pass on Bijon
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Robinson a way to round or two. And but in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that case we're a running back, I would pass on
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Bijean Robinson. And you know, if I really needed a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: running back, take Jamir Gibbs somewhere later in the dress,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you know or whatever. I don't think the running back
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is a need. I'm with Evan. I think it's probably
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: if it's not the least need, you know, the smallest
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: need on the on the roster, it's it's in a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, next one up. No, I agree. I'm just
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I'm playing devil's advocate here, trying to, you know, if
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: there's any opening there for taking him. If we have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Stevenson that you feel good about, you know, and Robinson
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: yeah strong, Kevin Harris, and then I don't know where
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to sort of slot in Tie Montgomery. There's a lot
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of teams that would say that's a that's a pretty
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: good wide receiver running back room, Like, why do I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: need to draft one one day one or even even
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: early day two. Yeah, that's why I think Gibbs was.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, somebody that Evan and I, you know, talked
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about just coming from Alabama, a little bit more of
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that threat in the passing game. That's the only thing
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: in the late round guys. Maybe a developmental pass catcher. Yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I'm all for like a Deuce Vaughn in like the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round. N Yeah, you know, I And
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in all fairness, I think you know, when you look
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: at the needs, I mean, i'd have to take a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: tackle over running back in the first round, you know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Just Mike agrees to disagree. Okay, Now, Evan and I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: believe that tackle, you know, and you know what it is.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You know what it is. I have to It's it's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: just it's kind of like to take when you're like me, no,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like draft. You're just like, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it's draft fatigue, and you're just I'm just like, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: don't like to go Christmas right. I don't want to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: walk out to the fields and out on the field again.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I want to see freaking Zave Flowers come out and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: everybody is just like, let's go, instead of like great,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: we gotta tackle for the next six seconds. You just
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: gotta look I Zay Flowers. You know my feelings on him.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But if they got if they got Paris Johnson or
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Roderick Jones, you know, I'd be breaking down. I'd be excited.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I mean guys are to your point,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like those guys are like just their presence alone, Like
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you would look at Paris Johnson walking out there and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, boy, like this guy looks just
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like a mountain of a man who you know can
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: do it all. So I get that part of it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I'll get crazy. You know. We'll be looking at this
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: stuff for a couple of months now, and you're like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I just tell me who we got. Give me the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: eleven guys, Like I just let's dive in on them
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and move forward, get into OTAs and all that. I'm
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: getting little, im getting a little you know, aunty about
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be eleven guys. I can guarantee more
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: or less, but it won't be eleven. I think it'll
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: be less. You're wrong. I don't know why, but it won't.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: They won't stay put. It'll end up being more or less.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: If you could get that to nine or fewer. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: see that's what Jeff's kiss. That's what dude started doing
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in this mock drafts. So I'm like, well, what if
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I just traded three picks up and then I only
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: have four more PA? That's lazy, all right. Five five
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: past five hundred is the ACE ticket hotline. Web radio
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com is the email address. These mac
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: rumors keep going on, but I think at this point
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it's just like, Okay, what can I add to the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: story to get people to read this post? You know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's really not adding any information or anything like that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I remain sort of intrigued by the lack of a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: local reporter who strongly has comments saying why it's all
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: bunk right, mildly intrigued by the fact that we really
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: haven't had that strong rebuttal and I know that there
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: have been some I think Greg Baddard, I think Jeff
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Howe have said it's not it's not accurate, but but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: with no real substance. When you say, what's the trading,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: he's being the whole. He's the whole. Post by Florio
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on about the fact that he was shopped. Yeah, the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: best we could come, you know, was the Michael Lombardi
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: response on his GM podcast GM Shuffle podcast, where kind
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of used a semantic argument if you asked me, yep,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the difference between shopping and listening, right, yeah, and I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just you know, and I have some of the quotes.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: We can get to it later. We don't have to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: bog it down. But my feeling and Fred and I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: talked about this a little yesterday guys. He said, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it's not really shopping, it's listening. And there was one
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: one particular line that he used that um that I
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: thought was really odd. He's like, you know, so, okay,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: so if if someone calls and they say, what do
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you know you're gonna move, Mac, you know what do
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you offer? And he and Michael Lombardi is because every
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: player is available, right, And I'm like, I don't know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrences. Do you make people will calling Doug Peterson
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and saying, you know what do you what do you
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: give me? What can I What can I give you?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: For Trevor Lawrence? Like they're hanging up the phone, They're
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: not listening. Not forget it, like I purposely didn't use
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Barter, Like those guys are
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: off the table, forget it. Like same situation. Entering the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: third year, Trevor Lawrence had one sort of social year
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and one pretty good year, just like Mac Jones. Right,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: do you think Doug Peterson is listening to someone who
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: what do you give me for Trevor Lawrence? No, he's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: not available. Not every player is available? Right at that position,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Partici tells me there's something to it and I and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I was really intrigued with Lombardi as he continued to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: quote unquote shoot down the reports. Did you did you
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: guys listen to the rest of it? That's the money
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: quote with regard to the you know whether or not
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: he was being shopped. He says he wasn't being shopped,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: but then he started talking to him about some of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the late tackling stuff on the field that didn't endear
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: himself to with his teammates either. So he's going to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: have to cover that up. He's going to have to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: show that he's mature too. Where is this coming from
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: other than Bill's mouth? Like that was a thing during
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the season where like idiots like us talk about like
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: did did he slide? Like did he go? Like that
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was that clead up against Chicago when he made the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: safety jump over him? And you know when he tried
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to take Eli Apple's legs out on that return that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: ended up getting called back? Was that kind of cheap?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: We talk about that stuff, and like months later, Michael
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Lombardio is throwing that into as an example of why
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones needs to mature. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: but you know it was an issue back then. Oh yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But obviously it doesn't matter if it's an issue with
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: us back I know it was an issue with Bill, Yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: which is kind of where we how we arrived here
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in the first place, is people think there's static between
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Bill and Mac. Yeah, and I've seen nothing to dispute well,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and it'd be so easy. I mean Bill has been
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: asked multiple times, is he the guy? I mean, it's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: just be easy to be like, he's our guy. We
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: love him like, I mean, he could easily well. One
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: thing I did last year, one thing I will this time.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I'll defend the Patriots, and you know, in particularly in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: specifically the Florio report. If I was the Patriots, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: would not send out a statement or anything disputing that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get in the business knowledge I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not going to get I know, but
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the business of disputing
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: rumors because then when I don't do it, my silence
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: says more than you know. So I don't address those things.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I agree you don't. We don't need a statement addressing that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You do just the same thing you do when you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: say that you're twenty seventh and spending that's different than
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Bill a little bit of a stir. Yeah, you go
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to the guy that you think will get that message
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: out for you when you say that's that we didn't
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: mean anything and and and that's different than Bill endorsing Mac.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: That's a whole different thing, you know. But but in
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: terms of that specific report, I would not go out
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots are you know, are not shopping back
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and no uncertain terms, you know, I would not that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: We don't need that. Yeah, this is my least favorite
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: part of the off season. Yeah, drama and all this. Oh,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: come on, you're no fun. I still feel fun when
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it comes to this no fun Lazarre Frank, I like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: minutes yesterday. I'm with Paul. I'm definitely intrigued by the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: report um one, because we saw how unhappy he was.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I mean plenty of times, whether it's you know, yelling
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: on the sidelines, frustrated things like that happening on the field.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised and allegedly calling Alabama to get
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: help with the offense. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: if he popped up at the Raiders. I wouldn't be surprised.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Just let me know who's going to be the quarterback
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in week one. I wouldn't be surprised back, so okat No,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: on the other side, I don't like I Also in
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a sense you have coaches who say, like, this person's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: our guy, and then two days later they have a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: whole new quarterbright. You don't believe it, Mary, They're called
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: sports Live. Yep, Yep, he's our yep. Just real quick
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that i'd see Jeff Acuta got traded for a fifth
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: rounder seeing some people say wow, I guess I mean
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Bernard saying guest Patricia didn't recommend him to Belichick at
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that price? What what went wrong with Jeff Acuda third
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: overall pick? Right, couldn't play? It's just not good. He
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't good even coming out. I don't know he was
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a good college play, but do you have you have
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: spidy sense. He might some injuries also, I think in
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: his in his NFL career, some serious ones. If I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: remember get traded Atlanta, Atlanta interesting a lot, just doing
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: some some things considering a need. And if that is
• 32:42
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• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a terrible division. That could be one
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of those teams that might open right next year. Yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: but I want to play. I want to pick the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: scab with Evan. Okay, come out, because I think you
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: just said something that sort of lens Cretans. So it like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: just let me know who the quarterback is next year.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: So you don't know, right, so there's at least some
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: doubt and you're not on right. Oh, I'm not saying
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that there's okay, So that's you'd have to have your
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: head in the sand if you thought that there wasn't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: at least an inkling of possibility that that let's just
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: say that, not even the trade rumors, that they're just
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: not sold on the quarterback, like you'd literally have to say.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be like this earth shattering, Oh
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: they're shopping mac Jones. No one suggested they're walking around
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: with a picture of mac Jones with a four sale
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: sign overs it might be, well, but there's, like Evan
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: just put it, there's there's some uncertainty there. They're not sold.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, Paul, if you flipped Trevor
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Lawrence's seasons, wouldn't be crazy though, right If like people
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: started calling from him on that, well, that's different. Help
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that he's on that different he's going on he's going
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I also think Trevor Lawrence was also in an awful
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: situation and everything, and I just don't think that mac
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Jones was in an awful situation. I don't think it
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: was ideal with his offensive coordinator. But he had the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Patriots organization with Bill Belichick as opposed to lose an
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: organization like Jacksonville with Urban Meyer. I also think Trevor
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Lawrence all around is a better player and more mature
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: than Mac Jones. Well, he's definitely a better player, yea
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: better player. On this show when they were both rookies,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: people like jumped down my throat because I'd say I'll
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: take Trevor Lawrence right now. Even all rookie years, Fred
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: kept saying, I'd still so much better on this show.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of Fred. There's people who would
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you take No, could Lawrence not serious? Right? Oh no?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I was no, No, No, you're serious? Yeah. I mean
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the people say, oh no, because if you remember, at
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the time, Trevor Lawrence did not look good. He had
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a time, but I knew he was better. Yeah, ye,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: all he needed was some coaching and right, yes, yeah Lawrence,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and the like incomparable like I will continue
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to say there is nothing about Mac Jones. If I'm
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a defense that makes me say I'm worried Trevor Lawrence
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: plenty to say listen, I give you right now. Three
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: first round picks for Trevor Lawrence. I would. I don't
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: know about that. I would, but I would take I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: just think on me, I don't value the picks. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: just think. I just think eventually he'll be talked in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the same circles as Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: think eventually he will unless Jacksonville, I don't think. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: don't think that's a crazy thought. He's he's your franchise quarterback,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and I think that's worth three first round picks. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: gotta say, he really impressed me in the playoff game,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: playing so badly for a half and then putting it
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: behind him. I think that's the hardest, the hardest conditions
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to succeed in. I always used to say, and that's
• 35:53
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• 35:55
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• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I pitch well today. Anybody can pitch well when they're pitching, Well, yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: what do you do when you don't have it right?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You're s how did that response where you can't put
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the ball where you wanted? Do you find a way
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to get some outs? Get from the game, right? That's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: what That's what Trevor Lawrence did in that playoff game.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: He didn't have it and he found a way. Yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that's what we haven't seen for Mac at all, Like
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: can you fight through adversity? Do you have grit? Do
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you have like just anything that can allow you to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: not have you know, the season that he did last year,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like Alabama for example, he played their prime Georgia being great,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: prime LSU being great, and so I feel like he
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: really didn't have that level of competition where he had
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to come back from being down twenty points. I threw
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: five interceptions the first half. He never had to come
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: back from that the whole time he was there. I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: think for two with with Trevor Lawrence, it's kind of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: lining up for him in the AFC South that if
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: he really is that guy, there's no real excuse with
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Indianapolis or Houston he had to like like Tennessee like,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, like we'll see, we'll see, because I think
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that those two teams, um, I mean, I think Tennessee
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: is a different animal because they're clearly in transition. But
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the other two are gonna try, they're gonna try to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: find their quarterbacks. And I would say Houston in particular.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's done a decent job of sort of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: turning over that roster where they could be interesting if
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they can get serviceable play now I think it Davis
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Mills to me is mac Jones. I think he's thoroughly
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: adequate and his adequosity as I like to say, I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: think you can be fine with him, but you're not
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: going anywhere with him. So I think they need better
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: than that. And I don't know, we'll see if did
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: they take C. J. Strout into Stroud Hit, Yeah, that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: could be a team that could be a good battle
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: with you know, Stroud and Lawrence say the next five years,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: six years, that would be fun to watch to see
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: if the Packers would trade up and take a quarterback,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: because I mean they're saying Jordan loves our guy obviously,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, do they believe that or are they
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: going to try to get another one? Yeah? Do they
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: have the resources to get another one? That's that's that's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: very You can't do that if you're there, that'd be
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to me fireable, Like you did all of this to
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: push Aaron Rodgers out and now you don't like the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: guy you took toy. Maybe you'll always had the plan
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to move up and get another guy. That was your plan.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: They want like a high pick for Rogers. Anyway they're
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: not getting well, depends on whose first round they're getting,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the Jet the Jets. Yeah, well, I guess you're trading
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: him to the Jets right now. A matter of when
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Jets pick to pick before the Patriots thirteen and they're
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: not trade. I agree with that, but they're not trading
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: thirteen for what happens there. That seems you pay him
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: sixty million to see how it works. It's crazy. I mean,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. They don't have as much leverage
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: as they think. Yeah, I mean, someone's got to happen
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks, and this is we're
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: getting in the nitty gritty time. I just I'm just
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: going to let it ride all the way to training camp.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: If you want to, if you're the Jets, call me in. Yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just nothing saying that he doesn't already
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: have their playbook and he's not already studying and all that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's interesting that OBJ didn't end
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: up going there. We didn't talk about that. Yeah, he
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: goes to the Ravens and everyone's saying, well, they got
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: him to get to bring Lamar back. Do you think
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that e equals be there. I don't know if it's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like automatic, but yeah, I think that was a that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: why they did it. I mean, it certainly seems that,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I know, um, I think Ian Rapp report
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: yesterday said that they were celebrating after the deal was done,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the two of them together. I know, no, no, no,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Jackson Beckham were celebrating together. They had an Instagram post.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I think that Lamar put out, you know, with them
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: face timing. So I do think if you sort of
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: look at it that way, more than likely they said
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. They gave him more
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: money than most teams looked like they were willing to do. Miraculously,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: they decided, you know, they found a way to only
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: have account at like three million on the cap dues.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know how these mad
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: they do. I don't know how they do that as well,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: but a million is real money. They have four void years, Paul,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and that's really gonna come up and bite them in
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the button a couple of years and then they're going
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to be in cap jail and keep me in ding people,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be horrible to break out a cap jail.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: But I will say, um and in all seriousness that like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that's real money, so you know, you can joke about
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the cap. I don't care about the cap part of it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: But cash spending, that's real cash. He's gonna, he's gonna.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was like thirteen eight something in a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: signing bonus. That's money that Bashadi has to give Odell Beckham. Yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Worth it. That goes for one to count to another,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: especially if it does grease the skids to get something
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: done with Lamar. Totally worth it. In the law, do
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you do that if you're not certain you're gonna get
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Lamar back? Or do you pretty much know we're gonna
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: get Lamar? I think the ladder, Yeah, I think in
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: The Ladder two. I've always felt the Ladder. And it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: just I think it's weird because he's he doesn't have
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: an agent and usually these things kind of get worked
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: out behind the scenes, and you just have a unique
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: situation him where you have a player negotiating zombie own behalf.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: He's got no one to tell him, Hey, don't tweet that,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: or hey, don't reveal that you're about to sell a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: piece of crap workout equipment like hit a Park. It's
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the no agent think has really really hurt him. I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: think so in a lot of ways. And I I'm
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: all for player empowerment and them doing their own thing.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And if he doesn't want to have an agent, he
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't need to have an agent. But so many of
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: these things that have happened with Lamar Jackson never happened
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: if he has an agent. Speaking of agents, I saw
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  Speaker 1: Air over the weekend. Oh yeah, how was it good movie?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of intrigued. I want to go see it. Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: real good. And this is the story of Nike and
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: how they they got Michael Jordan and how he kind
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of launched it. See. I was on the opposite side
• 41:44
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  Speaker 1: like wear Nike stuff. Girl, I mean, why would you
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  Speaker 1: the time. But it was, you know, just growing up
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  Speaker 1: you were like, oh, Michael Jordan, Like I just kind
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  Speaker 1: of had that up because that's where we were. But
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. I it looks pretty good. I've heard that
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  Speaker 1: I've always been obsessed with Michael Jordan and like, who
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  Speaker 1: did Reboke have, Rick Roby, guy, Michael Chang Fred You've
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  Speaker 1: been Michael. It's a different sport. Who do we have
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  Speaker 1: in basketball? Well, I mean Shack was the big one
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  Speaker 1: and oh yeah, you know, and everybody like you go
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  Speaker 1: around the cubicles and it Rebok and everyone would have
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  Speaker 1: like a mega Shack shoe. Um, he was the big one.
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  Speaker 1: Uh they did? They have Hardaway too. I think they
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: might have had Penny Hardaway too. But you know, it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: was like one of my Johnny LP one of my
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: jobs interning when I was there in high school was
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: like I go in and I have to like watch
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Sports Center. If any Rebok athletes were featured, I have
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to like flag on him it, you know, like put
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Emma Smith. Emma Smith was another one. Remember they did
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the live ad in the Super Bowl, so they they
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: took footage, which now it sounds like what's the big whoop?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: But they took a highlight from one Emma Smith's like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: first half touchdowns and then it was in the halftime
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: commercial that was the big like cell of what of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: what they were doing? So you really like the movie
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: for Yeah, it was good? Sorry hid Jack. Yeah, so
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: it was better than eighty for Brady, which is on
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  Speaker 1: demand now it's available on demand. I might have to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Oh I saw it. I watched it. I thought you
• 43:10
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• 43:25
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• 43:29
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• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the beach and seriously, yeah, you're talking to Tamara though,
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  Speaker 1: So you need like some kind of element of like
• 43:35
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  Speaker 1: The second half of the movie, they're like in per half,
• 43:39
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  Speaker 1: so it's time to get to the phone calls and emails.
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  Speaker 1: So let's do that. I promised, and I keep my promises. Well,
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  Speaker 1: everybody was able to eat because you said that. It
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  Speaker 1: Paul right, that's me staring at him Freddy eight years
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Los Angeles where Christian is. What's up, Christian?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for holding on? Yeah, yeah you hey, you guys
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  Speaker 1: at a long time those talk seasons over the new
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  Speaker 1: one about to get ready to get sorted out. And
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  Speaker 1: so here's what I'm here. I'm thinking. And you guys
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  Speaker 1: let me know afterwards, what do you think of you
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  Speaker 1: agree or not? I think we would be okay. Taking
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  Speaker 1: Jean Robinson as our first pick, drew me out and
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  Speaker 1: an a tackle or a big guard as our second pick. One.
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  Speaker 1: You are talking about a generational talent too, who has
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  Speaker 1: the contact balance of an Alvin Kamara, the vision and
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  Speaker 1: shiftiness of a say Quon Barkley, the route running of
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  Speaker 1: a of a Christian McCaffrey, and the downfield present or
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  Speaker 1: may I say threat, either a legitimate downfield threat in
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the passing game like James White. Do you pair him
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  Speaker 1: with a vermondre Stevens in the backfield Mike is Sitty
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  Speaker 1: and Hunter Henry as you're tight end, and whether or
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  Speaker 1: not he caught a million balls last year or just
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  Speaker 1: showing the flash A four tune Piquan Thornton on the
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  Speaker 1: outside would Juju on the other side of the way
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  Speaker 1: during his cuts and plant. That puts an awful lot
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  Speaker 1: of pressure on the defense. So I think if we
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  Speaker 1: were to go that route, I think we would be
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: okay offensively, Tamar, really quickly for you. You mentioned mac
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  Speaker 1: Jones hadn't really had the challenge and conflict of having
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to come back from twenty when he was in college. Typically,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: when you got four first round wide receivers on your team,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: you're not down by twenty. So he was never really
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: in that situation for that reason. Was for that reason
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: so he wasn't blaming him, was that he wasn't as
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: mature as Trevor as Trevor mars because Trevor Marris has
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: been through that kind of diversity. Well, yeah, but she's
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: just saying, and she's not blaming match, She's just saying,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it's a fact that he didn't have to deal with that.
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  Speaker 1: I get right, when you have that kind of offensive
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: that's around you, you don't, right, it's not that he didn't.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: But but Trevil Lawrence didn't have to do that in
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: college either. Yeah, he had to do it in the pros. Yeah,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: so and you know, with the opportunity in the pros, now,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Lawrence has done it, has done it. Mac Jones hasn't. Yeah,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Trevor didn't lose any college games either, then we know
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. He had better receivers than we had, No,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: not really wrong at not really at the Jas. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at Clemson he had a pretty good offense. Right, he
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: never lost at Clemson. Yeah, but obviously he's lost a
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: ton with the Jaguars and has been able to fight
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: through adversity. All right, thanks for the call, Christians. He
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: also didn't have their receivers at Clemson. The mac had
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: an Alabam. No, well that wasn't even close. But like
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  Speaker 1: right now, Jacksonville has some good players, Like, yeah, they're
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: not anything like Christian Kirk. I like, probably more than most.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: But I was summarily laughed at last year when he
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: got that contract for liking. In his mind was like
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: like I would take him. Now, all of a sudden,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, he's got a lot more around him.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: He's got Christian Kirk. Christian Kirk's the best receiver out
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: of the two teams. Like, if you're drafting the Patriots
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and the Jaguars receivers, I'm say Jones Kirk. No, I
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: would too, But I mean, let's not make it out
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: to be that they have like the Bengals wide receiver corps.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: You know they'll get to that. They'll make fun of
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. He's just a product of his receivers too.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Nicholas in Florida. What's up, Nicholas? Hey there,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing good? Good? Good? Yeah? First time caller, um,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: not so long time listener. I suppose I started listening, uh,
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  Speaker 1: right after we lost Brady. That's when things got interesting,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I suppose. I mean it's always been interesting, but you know,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: a little more of a rebuild process. I suppose, um
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  Speaker 1: a little. I don't want to stay on too long.
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  Speaker 1: restaurant in Longbow Key, Florida. I'm originally from Portland, Maine. Um,
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  Speaker 1: But I went to visit one of my tables the
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  Speaker 1: other day and Mike on Wino was there. Um, that
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of cool to meet a Patriots player training
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: down here in Florida eating at the restaurant a lot
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: of steak. What was that? Sorry, you take down a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: lot of steak? Now? He had a two plates of
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• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to him for a little bit though. He was pretty surprised,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: um that somebody recognized him. But well, there with Craig Robinson,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: a couple of Michigan boys. Okay, Well, thanks for the call, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for the story, Michael, when you sighting
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. Cool story, Hans Uh Kevin's in Rochester, New York.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: What's up, Kevin? Hey everybody, Yes, thanks for taking my call.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Sure, um I uh So, I was thinking
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: about last year and you know, regardless of what ends
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: up happening with Mac Jones or anything, I was wondering
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: if you know, if we were to roll back the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: team we had last year and have a confident coaching
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: staff on the offensive side of the ball, right regarding
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and his things, would we would we have
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: like so Mac jonestall, like he always have like one
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: second to throw the ball, and there was always a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: lot of scattering and you know, all the all the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: jitteriness you would see of Mac Jones. Do we think
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: just having a Bill O'Brien would resolve a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that or because there was a lot of other issues
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that I would see, Like you know, it seems like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: after Scar left, like just the discipline of the front
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: line was just not as good and anyway, just curious
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: to think what you guys thought about that and then
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and is there some piece to the puzzle
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: that we need in this upcoming draft. I think it's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: a good question. Thanks. I think that's what they're largely
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: counting on this year, you know, in terms of personnel,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: largely the same. Maybe they would have gotten one or
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: two more wins, but it's just it's hard to say
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: that they would have beaten a playoff team last year
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: just because they had Bill O'Brien. I didn't see enough.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe they would have gotten one to two more wins
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: with him, but that might be up a mystic. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, one to two more wins gets you in
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, right right. I just think that a lot
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: of people when they ask that type of question, they're
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: really talking about Mac individually, of how can we evaluate
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: last season and is he really that bad or is
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: he how good? Really is he? And do we have
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that answer? And I think for all of us, in
• 1:02:25
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• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: sold on Mac Jones, he needs to be better than
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: he was as a rookie, not just getting back down
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to the rookie you know, back up to the rookie level,
• 1:02:35
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• 1:02:39
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  Speaker 1: next ten years. Otherwise, if he's just as good as
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: he was as a rookie, then where I don't really
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  Speaker 1: think that it's changed all that much. I mean, I
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• 1:04:28
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one Paul draft attitude. If we take Bjohn
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Robinson at fourteen, and I'm just I'm gonna resign at
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: least for this coming year. Like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: like Evan said, like a lot of other people I've
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  Speaker 1: good running back and like fourth round or later, just
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  Speaker 1: and take bi John Robinson. It is Blank's pick. Who's
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  Speaker 1: picking else? That's what do you mean? They're all Bill Belichick? Really?
• 1:05:19
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  Speaker 1: somebody else. No, that doesn't sound like a Bill pick.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds one hundred percent like a Bill pick. To
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  Speaker 1: take a running back at fourteen, yes, I'll pick Patty
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  Speaker 1: and Irwell just said it's nineteen ninety it's not nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety one. I know, boom great. Yeah, but Bill would
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  Speaker 1: never take a running back that high. He took Lawrence
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  Speaker 1: Maroney at like twenty. Yeah that was twenty you know, Fred? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Belichick until he's no longer here. Well, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: they won't pick him. But in this particular case, i
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: don't know how you like would push back on whatever
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, I just I'm running back to old
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: school pick. Definitely an old school pick. But I don't
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: think Bill would ever take him. I just I can't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: see him taking I don't see that's that's two different things. Yeah,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I don't see the Patriots taking him. If the Patriots
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: don't take him, that's not an indication that someone else
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: made the pick. Well, I'm saying if the Patriots took him,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it, then it was on board. Bill wanted them.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I'd say maybe Robert Kraft wanted them. Do you think
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: that about Beijon? What do you think that you think
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the running back is anti Bill? Yes, on this edition
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: of the Patriots with all their needs to take a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: running back at fourteen would be anti Bill. I guess
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: maybe you could say the need thing. I could see
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: where you're coming from, just because their last few drafts
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: were need base. But I don't know. I think Bill
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: thinking that you can still build an offense through running back.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: It's totally I disagree he was, especially with what he
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: thinks about his quarterback. Yeah, that's what I was thinking
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: in my head with the way he thinks of his quarterback.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe he thinks that if he takes some of the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: pressure to throw off of him, Well, you've got a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: point there. Now, I'm not going to get into the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: you know, let's kill him for something he hasn't done.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: But I agree with Evan. If if it happens, that's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: what the reasoning that you've got a point there. That
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: would be a total lack of faith in his quarterback.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: And then he would get They would get up there
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and they would be like, oh, well he was the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: best player available and he is. How can we how
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: can we pass him up? He was so good? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: totally would ask you if you guys grinding tape on Jean.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I did Mark and Connecticut wants to talk to Evan. Wonderful.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: What's up? Even? What's going on? Brother? What's up? So
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: your Mark draft? Absolutely perfect? Oh thank you? Trade down
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: to twenty, you pig Zay Flowers and then in the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: second round you move up and you big Darnell Washington.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: If they do those two pigs that that that's just
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: a amazing And I don't care what they do after that.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that they're not going to do that, but
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that was my That was like, we did
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: three of them so far. I don't know if we're
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: going to do a fourth right before the draft or not.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: He's Mike saying, no, we did everybody else. We did
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: the first two. I put my Belichick you know hat
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: on and was like, what would Bill do this last one?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, what would Evan do? Like, I'm just
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: gonna do what I want to do and have fun
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: with it, and that's what I did. But if they
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: did it was absolutely perfect, Well, thank you because you
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: like the pick. Yeah, if they do what I did
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: in my mock draft, I would say somebody else might
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: have a somebody else might have a say at the table.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: If they picked a five foot nine slot receiver in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the first round, then I will tell you that Bill
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Belichick was swayed, but by somebody in the second round. Yeah,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that's more of a Bill pick. Darnel Washington is more
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of a Bill pick. But Zay Flowers in the first
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: round is not a Bill pick. So if that's the case,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: then that then the only changed like to move them
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: from where they are to contender status. Is a meteoric
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: rise for the quarterback like Zay Flowers isn't putting you
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: in contender status if Mac Jones is what he's been
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: for two years. I know, but I think what you
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: would hope is obviously that having Azay Flowers is going
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: to elevate Mac and having Bill O'Brien right to those
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: two things together. Now you have Josh McDaniels and they
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: weren't at that status, but he hit he hit the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: wall in his rookie year, but he got off to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: a pretty good start with Josh mcdid and his rookiear
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: that didn't have Zay Flowers right out of the game.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: He's thrown into Kobe Myers and Kendrick Bourne and Nelson
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Agalore like this this kid is different. Like this kid
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: is different than those guys like just he just moves
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: differently on a football field. So if you have a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: guy like Zay Flowers that can open up the offense
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and make it easier for the order back to hit
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: some big plays just by getting number four the football.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: He wread number four at BC, I don't know if
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: he will hear Yeah, number four the football. Then happy
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and he becomes the binkie that he According to Dante
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: uh Let's see Ron and Cambridge says, remember the days
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: when Deuce would complain about Brady's TV twelve business and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: how he wasn't a team player and too focused on
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: off field business and complaining about twelve and four seasons,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: and how when Brady left, it would be so interesting
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: to see how Bill would succeed once Brady left nailed it. Boy,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: do I wish for those days back, curious to see
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: how Bill's number one fan would defend him. Now it
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: appears the Emperor has no clothes. Oh good email. That
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: was great. That was great. You perfectly put me into
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the ya. Yeah. Uh, look, man, it ain't going great.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: What do you want me to say? I ain't enjoying
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: it in all seriousness? Yeah, because you know, I you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: I do it for sport. I liked to I like
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: to tsu. Yeah. If there's been very many things that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: you've said that you regretted with it, I think it'll
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens. No, no, no, because
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: because fair no interesting, it was there the opposite of interesting.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: They're boring. No, but to see what will happen. I'm
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: not saying that the result is. I know I think
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: and I you know you can correct me. Mike. If
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I'm putting words, you know, I think what Mike really
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: strongly felt at the time was he's gonna show everybody
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: he can do it without Well that's not what he said.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: But that's the interesting part is this has set up
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: in a way that it's gonna be sustained. Yeah, we
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: might not be super Bowl caliber the very next year,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna build the team the same way we
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: always because I think I always teach you like you know,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: the Santa Claus line, no, no, no, and I but
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I just think people, especially out of the game, it
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: was the hoodie thing put me as like Bill Belichick
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: super fan, which I like coaches. I really like coaches.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's you know, one of the coolest parts
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: of sports to me is is coaching. But I just
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: never came from a place where like, we're gonna show
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: him Bill Like I didn't really, I was never invested
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: like that. I think the think this where and like
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: and we know, you start walking down the street and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're up on the hill defending
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: the thing. And I'll still say this, Tom Brady had
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: three more years, you got an answer about how they
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: were going to get another super Bowl in those three
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: years with that Patriots team that they had in twenty nineteen,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I'm all ears, I'm all ears. That was where I was.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I realized it ain't happening. They ain't They ain't getting
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: another another super Bowl from him here. He's not engaged anymore,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be here. Now is the time
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: to move on. That's that was my point, and I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: still think it was the right point. If you told me, like, hey,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: if they had just drafted this guy and this guy
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and done this and that twenty like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one wouldn't have happened. Like so, I'm still waiting,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: like that's my question. What would you have done? What
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: would you have done over the last three years? You
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: you just keep rolling Brady out there him, play with
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: this autense me get him engaged and and pretty simple, right,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: give him some money. He would have gotten re engaged regardless.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily fully described to that. But if Tom
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, if they had drafted AJ Brown instead
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: of nikkil Harry, dude, do you you don't think that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: he would have been That's but that's before the fact,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: that's before the facts. I mean, my point is is
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: that you said there was nothing that they could do
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: like there if they came, if they if they got
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: one of those number one receivers for him, and all
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of a sudden that you know he has a connection
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: like that, then I still because he was as have
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to give him his money. It's it's the money thing
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: is It's just a different it's a different conversation because
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: these were conversations had in the fall of twenty nineteen.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: The table was already set with that twenty nineteen draft
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: for me, and there was no way out of mistake
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: was made. I agree with Mike. These mistakes were prior
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: to getting to that point. Yeah, and we remember back
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: in that summer when he was talking about it like
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: they doubted him long before we got to the end
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: of the road. Yeah, and that was I think sort
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: of unless they were going to pay him, they weren't
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: going back. But I think I don't put it on
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Tom either, like no I put it on I put
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: it at all parties. Really, I think there was some
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: some blame to go around. Much like most of these things,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: it's not always black and white. There's there's there's more,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you know, it's probably more in the middle. Elf from Wisconsin.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Fred's eternal optimism is absolutely hilarious. He has full faith
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: that Bill will do the right thing, despite a massive
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: amount of evidence to the contrary, and it seems like
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: he even gets annoyed with people who have lost the faith.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Fact is, I don't think Bill wanted to hire Billy Oh.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I think he thinks the reason it didn't work last
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: year where the players and the coaching was fine. I
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: also don't trust him to draft the right guys or
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: to develop them if he does. I think what it
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: all comes down to is a lack of accountability. He
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: seems to think he is infallible, so nothing was ever
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: his or his coach's fault. Because of this, I'm ready
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: to move on. I don't know what will come next,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: but I feel pretty certain that for as long as
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Bill stays, will be around eight or nine wins this season.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: To me, it's okay to have one of two really
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: bad seasons in order to get that high draft pick
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: talent it is. I agree with a lot of that email. Yeah, same,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, even when Bill was asked
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: about that at the owner's meetings, He's like, it's the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: best it was the best thing for the team, Like
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the answers are just like it doesn't sound like it
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: was something he wanted to do, like it was the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: best thing for the team, not like it was just
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: it was whether or not, like I agree with Tamara
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: and whether or not it was what he wanted to do.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, can't I can't definitively tell you that he
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. I mean it's not but
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: like the other side can't be stated unequivocally either, which
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Mike Lombardi and that rant that was part of it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: He goes, you know, these two they have to come together.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: You know, Bill admitted that he was I'm sorry, what
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: are you saying that because they they signed Bill O'Brien
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that was an admission, because that's what he's saying. Because
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's necessarily the case. I agree
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: with Tamara. I think it was something that was sort
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: of forced upon him. Number One, I don't know this
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: for a fact, but that's just my thought. And number two,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: has he talked to Mac about it, which I have
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: absolutely no idea that to me is what needs to happen. Well,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Max's not you know, for his part, Max's not, you know,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: acting like the petulant child. He's he's here, he's working out,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: he's doing community stuff. You know, um in this community.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Now you know where he lives, um, you know, damage control. Yeah.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I think he's doing a good job. But but whatever
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you want to do, I think he's doing a good job. Yeah,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: that's what I would call it. Like he's showing that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I want to be part of this community, I want
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: to be part of the team. I think he recognizes
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: that he has some culpability for what happened last year,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: and he's trying to rectify. Someone has to Yeah, I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: don't think the other side is I was going to say,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like Bill has had the opportunity to acknowledge
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: that the experiment as Robert Kraft described it, um and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: somebody else did. Yeah. Yeah, I mean just to hear
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Robert Kraft in Arizona say call it an experiment and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: say it failed, Like I thought that was because Robert
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Kraft looked at it objective, like a real sane person. Yes,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I just don't think he's going to be accountable. He's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: never going to be accountable to the media or the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: fans in the way that they all want he's going
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to be accountable to Robert Craft in the private meetings
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: behind closed doors, and otherwise, all he's going to say
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to you is I'm doing what I think is best
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: for the team, and that's all you're getting. You're ever
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: going to come out and say I don't need him
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: to be accountable to us. I don't. But I can
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: read between the lines with Build. You know, we all
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: have enough experience now with him to understand what he's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: what he's really saying, and when he sits there and
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: he says some things at the owner's meetings that clearly
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I'm one hundred and ten percent with Tamara. He thinks
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the players were there at fault last year. I can
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: give you a doesn't think it's the coaching. He totally
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: was the players, And that to me, on top of
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: some other you know, actual things like you know, money
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: and was like that. But I do think that there
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: was a factor into why Jacoby Myers is no longer
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: here and Damian Harris is no longer here who they
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: could have had at probably a better contract than James Robinson,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: a guy that you know fits here and works well
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: here and is well liked in the locker room and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: they've moved on. I think that's why Brian Hoyer, who
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: cost them money to get rid of, is no longer here,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: is because all these players stood up and said, this
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: is not what are we doing on offense. And luckily
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: for Mac, he's the quarterback and he's too important to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: the organization to just cut ties with him immediately. But
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: everything points to the fact that Bill thinks that the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: coaching would have been fine last year if the players
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: bought in and the players too, you know, were in
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: agreeance with what they were doing. So by that motive
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: thinking though, then not much is going to change this year, right,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, if you can't accept what you were
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: responsible for last year, and yeah, you got new coaches again,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, you're hoping that Bill O'Brien has enough sway
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: with Bill that Bill says, go make me an offense
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: and he lets him do it, and he lets him
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: do it. Well, yeah, like I don't, but I think
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: those are two different things. Like, yeah, I think Bill
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: O'Brien will be a better offensive coordinator than Matt patricia
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Hey because he's an offensive coordinator, so that by definition
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: is going to make him a better one. But I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: agree with Mike's point, like I think when and there
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: were so many things in that that owner's meeting, the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: special teams won really got yep, got got me make
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: me going at the time, like you know, well, you
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: know it's not Cam and I'm not suggesting it was
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Cam a Cord, but I'm saying he's telling you that
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't think the offense was a train wreck because
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: of coaching last year. He's basically telling you that. I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: always say, forget what he says. All right, listen into him,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: but don't listen necessarily to the words, go by his actions.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: What is he telling you by not saying this or
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: by saying that, or what he ends up doing. I'm sorry.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: When the season ends and three days later we put
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: out what I would call an unprecedented press release, I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: don't think that was Bill Belichick. Oh no, no, no,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: definitely not. I think the reason why that that was
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: rubber stamped, you know, accelerated, was Robert Kraft, of course,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: and good for him for doing it, yeah, because otherwise
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that we drag our feet
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, well you know, you know, well,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, what would have gotten Bill O'Brien, but you know,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: he took the Iowa state job or something, you know,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: some random call or whatever, and now you don't have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: any options. Well, you know, we're better off with just
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Matpetrician in year two. I think that could have happened too.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Floyd in Redford, Michigan last year, I all the Patriots
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: pregame show and I asked, do the Patriots want a
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: playmaker at quarterback? Please see the following responses. Hardy said
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  Speaker 1: everyone in the NFL wants to play maker at quarterback. Paul,
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  Speaker 1: if Justin Fields was there, the Patriots would have drafted him.
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  Speaker 1: The lovely Tamara. I don't know about that. Patriots drafting
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  Speaker 1: Justin Field? And then Mike said Mack is their kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy. The rest of the NFL has moved to
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  Speaker 1: the more mobile quarterback, but not the Patriots. We have
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  Speaker 1: passed on Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts and failed to move
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  Speaker 1: up four spots draft Justin Field. Can we please have
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  Speaker 1: a new quarterback philosophy? I don't know. Joe Burrow's doing
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  Speaker 1: pretty well. Yeah, I think he's a lot more mobile
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  Speaker 1: than these guys. He's not a runner, but he's he's
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  Speaker 1: pretty mobile. His legs are not a factor like you are.
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  Speaker 1: You're not, and watch the championship game in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't move. I'm just saying you're not.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a defensive coordinator and you're going up against
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals, you're not game planning Joe Burrow's mobility. No,
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  Speaker 1: I would agree, But he has the option if needs to.
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  Speaker 1: I think Mac has the option if he needs to too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he can make the plays
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  Speaker 1: that he that Burrow makes with his legs. They ran
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  Speaker 1: the same forty I don't know. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 1: about speed, it's about pocket presence and everything that goes
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  Speaker 1: into it. I think he's a better runner. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was a better runner at LSU. I think he
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  Speaker 1: made plays with his legs at LSU. He's not. You're right,
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  Speaker 1: they're not game planning to stop that, just like I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they're. I think Justin Herbert's really mobile, too,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think teams are game planning to stop
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  Speaker 1: his running. Well, you have to work and run. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you're mindful of it, but you're not. I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you. Like from a physical standpoint, especially now with
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  Speaker 1: the toWin ACL, they're probably not all that different. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, I just think it's white years different when
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  Speaker 1: you watch him. I just think the difference isn't about
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  Speaker 1: I guess my point is the difference isn't it about
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  Speaker 1: running or mobility. It's more about I think two things.
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  Speaker 1: One just pure arm talent like these other guys, like
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  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's a good example, just has a howitzer. And
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  Speaker 1: then you also have you know, out of structure playmaking
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  Speaker 1: and that a native field to just kind of create,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when things break down, can I get outside
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  Speaker 1: the pocket, buy time and then make a throw down
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  Speaker 1: the field that that element of it. Mac Jones doesn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily have like some of these other guys. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that gets lost and that's not to me. That's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different than than calling it mobility. Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they need Jalen Hurts, I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a definition of what I would call it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that those guys can get out
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  Speaker 1: of the pocket and make plays. Mac Jones, Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: ability to improvise. It's like, you know, on a day
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  Speaker 1: to day basis, like we have to improvise in what
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  Speaker 1: we do. Depending on you know, you might prepare for
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  Speaker 1: an interview with Mac Jones and Mac Jones doesn't show
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  Speaker 1: up and you get Stevenson. Example, we have to seem
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  Speaker 1: sometimes we have to improvise, and like Mac Jones when
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  Speaker 1: a play doesn't go well, like he doesn't improvise. There's
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  Speaker 1: one time get sacked or throws the ball, one time
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  Speaker 1: that I can always think of when we have this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Last last year against Baltimore fourth down, he made a play.
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  Speaker 1: He did he made a play and that was the
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  Speaker 1: one game last year. I'm not saying I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: that that one time I made that play, and it
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  Speaker 1: was early on in the season, to the point where,
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  Speaker 1: on top of it, some of the downfield throws he
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  Speaker 1: made in that game where some of his better downfield
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  Speaker 1: throws as a pro too, and you started to say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if he can play like this and obviously
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit more under control in the turnover department,
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  Speaker 1: then at least it's it's more it has a higher
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  Speaker 1: ceiling than the other things that we have seen from him.
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  Speaker 1: But that that was one flash, and I will fully
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  Speaker 1: admit that was one little window like between somewhere between
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  Speaker 1: that between that throw and the ankle injury in the
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  Speaker 1: end of that game where I kind of felt a
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  Speaker 1: glimmer of hope last year, like that was probably the
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  Speaker 1: only little window there in the fourth quarter whatever it was,
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  Speaker 1: because once he got his ankle, You're like, well, great,
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  Speaker 1: now he's out. We're gonna you know, it's happy for
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  Speaker 1: two things that I don't know about. That is part
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  Speaker 1: of what Evan just said about, you know, like some
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  Speaker 1: of the downfield throws, if you could cut back on
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  Speaker 1: the mistakes mistakes I don't know if he can do that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's capable of making the downfield
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  Speaker 1: throws without putting the ball at risk. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you he's not. But I agree with
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  Speaker 1: Evan's overall assessment of that game. And I know it's
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  Speaker 1: crazy to look at the game that he threw with
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  Speaker 1: three interceptions, said that was I did. That was the
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  Speaker 1: best game because it wasn't like little swing passes to
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  Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson that got twelve yards, right he was. It
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  Speaker 1: was throws that got the yards in that game, and
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  Speaker 1: you got caught in a little bit of a shootout
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't just melt. Yeah, he punched back. He
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  Speaker 1: made plays to punch back. Now, unfortunately there were too
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  Speaker 1: many mistakes for them to keep up. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: there were glimmers in that game that I hadn't seen.
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  Speaker 1: The only other game another one where I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that was bad defense, Like he's defense was horrible, and
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  Speaker 1: but I mean in the special team's mistakes, but in
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  Speaker 1: the fourth was another one where Bagel Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: I think to your point, Paul, this is it's some
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  Speaker 1: of the most interesting thing I have coming into this
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  Speaker 1: season is what do they do with Mac this year?
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  Speaker 1: Because as much as you want to say, oh, that
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  Speaker 1: was the Matt Patricia offense last year, I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the philosophy of that offense was Bill and
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  Speaker 1: this is the direction we want to go. How do
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  Speaker 1: they marry what Josh did on offense and what they
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  Speaker 1: tried to do on offense last year into what this is.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that the offense last year, the roots
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  Speaker 1: of the offense last year was Alabama and they were
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  Speaker 1: trying to get him to throw the ball down the
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  Speaker 1: field like he did at Alabama. If you go watch
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  Speaker 1: Mac Jones, it's Alabama film. It's bombs away like that
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  Speaker 1: he does, you know, but he's throwing bombs to Davante
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  Speaker 1: Smith and Jalen Waddle and John Metchie. You know, he's
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  Speaker 1: not throwing bombs right right. It's like the interception through
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  Speaker 1: in the playoff game in Buffalo and the first drive
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  Speaker 1: when he actually did make a couple of plays with
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  Speaker 1: his legs that night on that drive to move the chains.
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  Speaker 1: And then he's got a guy forget if it was
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  Speaker 1: I forget who he was. Yeah, he was open throws
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  Speaker 1: late and show and well and in the same guy
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  Speaker 1: here's made an unbelievable interception. It would it would help
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  Speaker 1: if the receiver actually tried to go up and get
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  Speaker 1: I mean, here's the hope I have. Like when Mac
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  Speaker 1: was coming out, we were all told he's the most
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  Speaker 1: pro ready guy in the draft, and that's because of
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  Speaker 1: his head of his cerebral you know abilities. And then
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  Speaker 1: we see last year that we were told that there
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  Speaker 1: were no adjustments at the line, that there was no
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for him to use his brain, you know, curiosity, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So my hope that year is whatever the offense is,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, if it doesn't take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of the thing that he's supposedly the best at,
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  Speaker 1: which is decision making, then I don't know what they're doing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's I think to the Za Flowers of it all,
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, get back to that. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think you really have receivers who are
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  Speaker 1: going to separate like you had in Alabama. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we hold out hope that Taekwon Thornton's able to
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  Speaker 1: shake loose, but yeah, and also a line that gives
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  Speaker 1: him more than two and a half second the row. Well,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: but he's agreed, but he also that is also partially
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  Speaker 1: on the quarterback, like he's gotta get rid of the ball,
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  Speaker 1: and they have to have the receivers that he can
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  Speaker 1: get rid of the ball too, And he's got to
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  Speaker 1: work quickly through the progression. I think last year, the
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  Speaker 1: guy that you saw towards the especially down the stretch,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of progression speed and how fast he was
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: going through things, well, I didn't even know who I
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  Speaker 1: was watching anymore, because the guy at Alabama was like
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: boom boom, boom boom. The guy his rookie year was
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: was similar to the guy at Alabama. And then last
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  Speaker 1: year his ability to just read the defense, get the
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  Speaker 1: ball out to the right guy. I mean, how many
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  Speaker 1: times was his back to the open receiver last year
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  Speaker 1: where he would just open the wrong direction and never
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  Speaker 1: get to that side of the field and the guy's stating,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: you know, standing in there, And for whatever reason, I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to go, I went to this rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel I have to say when Zappy came in,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: it looked like that, like it was three step drop,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: five step drop, get rid of it. And for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: it looked better with Zappi when he came in. And
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: that's why I think people got the fever, you know,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: because he was a people getting rid of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: It looked better in the Cleveland game. Yeah, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure how much better it looked. But Cargo game or
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: a Green Bay game or Detroit, people forget about People
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: forget that the other team went over for six on
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  Speaker 1: fourth thound. Yeah they Yeah, this is the one time
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  Speaker 1: that I will go after that, I will allow Paul
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  Speaker 1: to do this game. That's true because that the Lions
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: were playing practice squad guys in their secondary that day.
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  Speaker 1: Because everybody was hurt for the Lions in their cornerback room,
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  Speaker 1: and it really wasn't that much better. The Cleveland game
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  Speaker 1: was a different offense than what we saw in the
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: other Yeah sixteen Fred. Wait back to that email, though,
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  Speaker 1: I would just like to note that Jalen Hurts, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't look the way he did until they purchased the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: pieces to make him look good. So without going after Brown, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, without going after Brown those other things to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: make their offense good enough to get them to the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl, I don't know what Jalen Hurts would have
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  Speaker 1: looked like last year. And the same thing with Um Fields.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Fields didn't look good till they came here in Foxborow
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  Speaker 1: and then they figured it out. So I just and
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  Speaker 1: again they've added a lot of pieces. I think in
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: both cases Fields and Hurts, the teams realize what they had. Yes,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: they figured okay, you know definitely with Hurts. Yeah yeah, Fields,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're still trying to figure that out, but
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: already off they do know, we gotta let this guy
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: run a little bit. Yeah, that's full second coaching staff. Yeah,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: that's what god Fields going was this that game here
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Monday night, they finally unveiled like a Lamar Jackson style
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: rush package for him, and it opened everything up Mike
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: in la Evan and Mike loved the mock draft videos,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: But since when did Flowers become worthy of the fourteenth pick?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: The whole local guy out of BC thing should should
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: not boost him that high in the first What makes
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: him worthy of being taken at fourteen? I watched the film,
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, it was love at first sight. Wow. I
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  Speaker 1: just I'm sorry I that was that was But I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: just feel really because I'm getting I get I've gotten
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: this pushback a lot from people of all like you know,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: why are you so in love with this kid? YadA, YadA, YadA,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's only five foot nine. Well, I don't just
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: look at measurements like with with with prospects, like you
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: actually watch them play football, because you know, Tyreek Hill
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: is like five to eight right, and and Jalen Waddle
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: is basically the same size as a Flowers is five nine,
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  Speaker 1: one eighty. I don't know. I mean, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: really feel like so he doesn't he's not an impressive
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: guy coming off the bus, So he's not worth the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: first round pick. Like I just I don't really get that. Like, Okay,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: then they should draft Quentin Johnston and he'll be to
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: kill Harry two point zero and cool, good job, Like
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  Speaker 1: I why does that matter how he looks in in
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: spandex at the combine. I just don't see that. Say
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  Speaker 1: I'm a twenty. It wasn't even fourteen. I don't I know, right,
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  Speaker 1: and I traded down. Come on, pay attention. Todd says
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  Speaker 1: that we were talking early Kyle Murray and Bryce Young
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: and uh. Todd says that they're both the exact same height. Yeah, no,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: they've Bryce Young is taller right at the combine. He
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: was five ten, wasn't it, he says. According to nfl
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: dot com slash Prospects, Bryce Young and Kyler Murray are
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: measured in at the exact same height, but Kyler Murray
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: was wearing pie heels or something that day. Yeah, I'm
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: not comparing him to Kyler Murray. I'm asking what Bryce
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: young size was at the combine. I thought it was five.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: So they measured Kyler at five ten and they measured
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  Speaker 1: I guess they did measure in at the same at
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: the combine. But I I've stood next to both of
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: them at the combine. I will say this, and again,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't really care about Kyler Murray for this particular
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: argument that's disrespectful to Kyler Murray. I mean I care
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: about I mean, he's a human being, um. But for
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: this argument, I'm much more concerned um with Bryce Young's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: size in terms of his bill thickness, Dan i AMA's height.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've seen an enough evidence in the last
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: ten years that you don't have to be six five anymore.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: There are plenty of guys that are six foot and
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: under that fine ways to succeed, like Russell Wilson has
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: and I think this guy could do it too. But
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: he's small, is thick, yeah, And this guy isn't. He's
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: really slight, and I think I think he put on something. God,
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  Speaker 1: I think he put on some weight for the combine
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: to make it look like, Yeah, he had a little
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: bit more bulk. I think he's a sub two hundred guy,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: and he's definitely sub six feet. I know that. Maybe
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: then maybe I'm wrong about the measurements, But I just
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: watching the two of those guys, like, I just don't.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Kyler is is little, like you know, I don't. I
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: don't think of Bryce Young the way he runs with
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: the football too. It's just like it's right, he's fast.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: If I didn't give him that my hamstrings weren't still
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: killing from the weekend. I would give you the the
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray run build a fire Goodness. Let's get back
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: to the Ace ticket helpline. We'll start with Eldred. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Evn Quentin tough three cone? Time for your guy? Eldred?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: What I haven't looked at it lately, but uh not?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: But my question is, uh, Evan, Yes, I like your
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: draft too, thank you, But you wanna got enough guys
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: on the inside. I mean, don't you think the defensive
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: be thinking at you? But you ain't got nobody to
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: skim them on the outside? Oh nobody you got Stave Parker.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: You hope though it might do it, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm just taking the best player. I don't
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: really care about where they're gonna play. And I'm also
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: I don't really like I don't think you should make
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: decisions off of who you should draft because you have
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Boring on your round. What did you get for
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: trading down to twenty high third round pick? Okay, it
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: sounds reacing, Yeah, I oh, he asked me about the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: trade down. I just want to know what time you
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: do it. You have to do it like the SPFW guys,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: and you got to get two ones in the two
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: best year. Yeah. Well, a lot of people did push
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: back on me and we're like that's not enough. I'm like,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: it's a there's a trade chart. Go look at all
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: the chart. It's literally a chart. It tells you add
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: this many points to that many point. Anyways. Uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I just want the best football player. I
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: think if you get caught up in oh, what's like
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: the best complimentary piece to this and if he needs
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: to play here and needs to play, I think that
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: that's we're getting too much into the into the weeds,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: especially for a team like the Patriots that can't draft receivers.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Just just take the best player. Do more to mote
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: myself saying be quick about it. I hate myself with
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: staying there. But if they're about up at those quarterback,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I hope we push up. Get gun dogs the corner
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: instead of a wide receiver anything. Yeah, you get a
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: tackle and it stuck a third round, you're not pushing older. No.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: I guess mel Hiper has the Patriots getting Gonzales in
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: his latest I've seen with him, Uh getting back to
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: the email. What you got on you about you waste
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: that thing over with Brady? If they just gave Brady
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: a couple more receivers, I pushed Brady. I doing this
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: field in the wheelchair as long as you give me
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: to a super Bowl. If you de man, what do
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: you want it? I'm receivers and being good to go.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: I think I have a better three count time than
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Clinton Johnston. So let's go to Kevin and Sanfrand, what's
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: up Ken the measurables? Kevin? Kevin, Kevin? I left Mike
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: call in s he's not there? All right? Corey in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: South Carolina? What's up? Corey? Hey? What's up you guys?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: How are y'all doing? Good? Good? Good good? Hey? All right.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I want to be a little bit of a voice
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: of the reason in some of this chat because I
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: think that, like specifically Evan and Paul, I think there's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of Feature fans to agree with you, guys.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: You've got to get more playmakers with a free agency
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: the draft developing guys. I think you got to get
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: the better offensive line play. I think we were decent
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: in the run game last year, but I think that
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: pass blocking against like elite pass rush, critical downs, those
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: are rough and you've got to get better quarterback play.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: But I kind of want to come to Max's defense
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: in two areas because I think it's a little bit overlooked.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: In one is, don't overlook the ability to scheme guys open, right,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Like you look at some of the plays last year
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: and critical downs, third downs, we just didn't have options there.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: There There wasn't a check down, There wasn't um a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: guy that that is scheme to break through the seam
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: or to um kind of take advantage of of an
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: outside linebacker rush. And then two, actually having those guys
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: that can press the triangle, right, I know it's it's Evan.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: You talk a lot about having a guy that can
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: break it at the top or having a tall guy
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: that can can beat out guys. I think you need that.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I think you need someone that can that can make
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: room in space, and I think you need a tight
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: end that can press the triangle and take advantage of
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: different coverages. So I totally agree with you guys. There's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of the needs to go on, but I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: think you got to give Mack a little bit of
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: grace in that situation last year. Press the triangle? Nice, Okay,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: thanks Corey. Ye, you're not making fun of him for that, right,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's right out of you. Yeah. I just said
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: he knows some ball. Okay, that's right out of your
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: What does that mean for us idiots? Middle of the field?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Like press the triangle? I give the two safeties? Right,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: you have the linebacker in the middle field, Like, who's
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: who's opening up that that middle area in his own? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: who's who's who's opening it up for everybody? I would
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: have soccer that you work in. I would just argue
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot of triangle reads too, and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: progressions for quarterbacks. I don't know which direction he was
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: going with that, necessarily, what I make that that joke
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: about soccer? You make fun of me? What time it's given?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Go set up a child? It's not that. It's not
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: that complicate. H CJ. In Kansas City? What's up to
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: you change the geometry of paying up? CJ? So are
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: you in Kansas City? Are you like right in the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: city proper? You ever been to Grozzianos or Garrozzos Garrozzos yez? Yeah,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: good place, good place. I mean it's it's definitely one
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: of places. I so, I'm a transplant. I moved out
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: here in like Oa, but it was one of the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: first places people told me I had to go. Yeah,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's really good. So are you going to go
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: to the draft? Yeah? So I don't know how they
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: do the other places, but me and a co worker
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: of mine, we're gonna go. Um, we had up like
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's not reserved tickets, but we had to
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: put our information in to get access. I don't know
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: if that's how it works all the time or not.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: But nothing you had to pay for. Cool st still waiting. Yeah,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: we're still waiting to find out nice. Okay, So here's
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: my question, um, talking about the draft? If U and Evan,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: I think I already know you're answered to this based
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: on your last show. But if Christian Gonzalez cornerback is
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: still there, say Flowers is there and Harris Johnson are
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: there for our fake and fourteen? Who are you guys taken?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez? Yeah, that would be my pa. Do that.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I'm in I think I think it's a huge year. Yeah,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: my pick would be Gonzalez because I think that would
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: be the best corner, yeah, and I think that's a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: harder positions stud Yeah. I think corner two just as
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: because of what we discussed, the wide receiver class just
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: like isn't as strong, and so I think that you
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: can have the opportunity to get another wide receiver later,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: but you have the opportunity to get the best corner allegedly,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: so you should get them. I think you can get
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: discount slot receive. I mean, not as good as they flowers,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: but there are in the middle of the field later.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: It's just I just like we talked about it a lot,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: like how does this defense get over the edge? Because
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: they've been pretty good and I think it's almost like
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: they're good enough to lull you into a false sense
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: of security, saying I think the Patriots defense is pretty good.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: I mean by the numbers, they are a pretty good defense,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: but they haven't been good enough against the really good
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: teeth and they have to get over that hump. And
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I think the A one cornerback is a big piece
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: of it. And I mean we're gonna talk about defensive
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: ents too. I think that's a whole nother you debate about,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: which is weird because I feel like doing this forever.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Patriots fans usually are like, we need a pass rusher,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: and you just don't hear it this year, And I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: know you got chewed on and you got to coming
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: off good seasons. And they're both back, but you know
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: one's over thirty the other center in the last year
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: of his deal. So you know there's something there too
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: that I don't think we've quite pinned down yet. The
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: Patriots of the past would not have a million holes
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: on their roster that they need to fill, so they
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: would take an edge rusher in the first round because
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: they had a whole to fill next year at that position.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Now they are kind of in a position where they
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: don't really have that luxury anymore. But if this was
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: the Patriots ten years ago, then a guy like Nolan
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Smith or Lucas Van Nast or someone like that, it
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: would be in every mock draft who was the guy.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I think the Texas Tech guy that they were Tyree
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Wilson tied they would tie to today. They expressed it.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's here or coming for a
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: thirty or they went to Friday, did they went to
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: watch him or whatever? But I just thought that was
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: interesting because he is I don't know, kind of considered
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: to be a top ten pick, right, So if you're
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: if you're in there, are you maybe hoping that the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: board unfolds in a different way like we talked to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: beginning of this show, with the quarterbacks maybe pushing some
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: good players down, or might the Patriots target a guy
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: go up again? I think it's a great question, and
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it's something I think we've been circling with
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Evan this whole spring of like, you know, if the
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: right tackle isn't there and you don't feel great about
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Zave Flowers, you know, maybe they feel like they don't
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: even think Zave Flowers maybe is like a top twenty pick,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Like that's maybe right, I mean, if it's the right
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to bang the table for
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon. I mean, I'm not going to bang the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: table for Joey Porter Jr. You know what the worst
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: part about this draft is, I'm not being at the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: table for anyone. Yeah, Gonzalez, I would be. It's not
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: because I don't think they are good players in this draft.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: It's just that, like there's after you get through the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: first so many holes. I'm not banging the table just
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: for one of them to get filled. Like, I think
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: they have options. I think you can make a case
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: for a lot of guys. Yeah, I think they'll fill
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: a hole with whoever they take. Patty and Agawam chimes in.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: He says about Bill's draft, He says, Bill took touchdown
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Tommy Vardell with the ninth pick in the ninety two draft.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Hopefully Bill has evolved a tad since then. Something to
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: mull Over. I don't know if he has Tommy Vardell,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: but remember that how bitter he is. Time comes to
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Bill always. Yeah, the roster building in the last three
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: or four years, it's just lost them. Sorry, the track
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: record speaks for itself. I'm only going off the receipts
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't change what he's done. But
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson's a nice interesting player because he's not that
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: like Screamer Von Miller, Bendy edge rusher that a lot
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: of teams want to take in the top ten, like
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: a Will Anderson type. So he is somebody that the
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: league might jim nage, the league might be a little
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: bit lower on than some of the mock drafts are
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't have that prototypical double digit sack guy game.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you're the Patriots like
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Josh Jay, Judean, Barmore, Tyree Wilson, I think all those
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: guys can be on the field for you at the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: same time, and that that becomes a front. That's that's
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: a problems, not that it isn't already, But I'm wondering
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: back to the owners meetings when we were talking to
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: mister Craft, how important he said this draft was going
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: to be, if he's gonna have potentially a larger state
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: than he usually would in terms of like what and
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: who we draft um, because he said, like you essentially
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: like build your success base off this draft, and we
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: haven't drafted well. So I'm wondering if he nudge and
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: ensure that we do draft well with the picks that
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: we have. Well, I'm sure he's, you know, telling them
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: you got to do a good job. The question is,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think Robert's going to be in the room saying, oh,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: let's pick say Flowers, but I think he might if
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: there's an influence that he's going to have. It's telling
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Bill listen to Matt grow more. Yeah, maybe maybe, I
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: don't know. I got. Can I make one more point
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: about it? Sorry? Maybe do we have faith in that?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Because it's just made. I don't mean to no, I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: actually don't attack me. I actually don't think that. The
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: influence that I want mister Kraft to have is not
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: to tell him to listen to Macro. The influence that
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: I want mister Kraft to have is can we not
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: pick cole Strange in the first round? Like? How do
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: you do that? You know? Conventional? Can we stick it? Well? Yeah,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: on the fairway. But I think let's let's have our
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: saying stack our board and let's what's state. Well, what
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is I think, you know, I we're spending
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: all this money on our scouts. Let's listen to our scout. Okay,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: so I would. It's the old thing he had with Parcel.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: It's always dangerous to do this, but I'm gonna do
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: it anyway. Do you really think that Cole Strange was
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: one of their top twenty rated prospects last year? The Patriots? Yeah,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: he can't be. I just can't imagine. It was so
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: like Van's point. If Robert, Robert's not saying, hey, listen,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: I really really like this a Flowers kid man. I mean,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: I think his three kids like, no, he's not doing that, okay,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: but he can't say can we just establish a board
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: and reasonably stick to it? Because I think they veered
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: wildly with Cole Strange last year. Now I don't know that. Yeah,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: for all I know, we had this. We had him
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: as our twenty first rated prospect and everybody else had
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: him at one hundred and twenty one. I don't know
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: that might be true. I just it just screamed of
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: need last I think they're desperate, panicked and jumped off
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: his board, and I think that's when you get in trouble.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: I just can you not have the defending Super Bowl
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: champions laughing at you on the night of the draft, Like,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: can we just make a pick that it doesn't have
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: to be Zay Fly? It doesn't have to be the
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: guy we're all talking about, right? Like? I think that's
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: one thing that I did the mail bag this week
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people asked me, like, what's the
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: who's the guy that nobody's talking about? Because we know
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Bill and he's gonna take some tell you, when I
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: get my book, he's gonna take a lot of first
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: round picks that I think no one's talking about, like
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: but their first round picks exactly. That was a fourth
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: round pick that no one was talking about. Right, Can
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: we just take somebody at fourteen that all of us
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: on our shows, mel kiper Daniel Jeremiah is like, yeah,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: that you know that he was right in that range.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: You know we had him. I had him at at
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: sixteen on my big board, So big whoop that they
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: took him two spots earlier than I had him or something.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: Just one's going to argue that, right, Just get somebody
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: that is a brand name. That's it. That's what I've
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: been saying all offseason. I don't want any like off
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: brand Dollar Store. I need like a premium player. Pick
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: a premium player picks. It's very I doesn't want a
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: brand name. Would be if they if they got Handon
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Hooker at some point, I would be so excited. So yes,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: and back to that, I do think that if they
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: are going to, you know, pick a third quarterback to
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: be on this team, I wanted to be someone with
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: a different skill set than what we already have. So
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: whether it's Hendon Hooker or dtr who we were able
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: to see an East West Shrine Bowl and the Patriots
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him. Whether it's someone
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: with their skill set and their playmaking ability. I feel
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: like that would be a good fit for the third
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: spot in the quarterback ground. Yeah quick, who am I?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Game ready? These are all former Patriots? Who am I?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I was a hard hitting linebacker that won two national
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: titles in college. Dante Higtower incorrect, handycats and Moore you're out,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: You're out. You're both to win us didn't guess? I contributed?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: I contributed. I contributed my rookie year, playing a long
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: alongside Drawdmeo and Rob Ninkovich. This is not Dante Hytower. Nope,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: I contributed my rookie No, no guesses one more, Gary Cuton. No,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: you're out. It's up to Tamara. I had two stints
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: with both the Patriots and the Bills before retiring. Oh
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: do you watch videos on the internet? Now? Definitely? Person?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: Where is this going? Where is this going? Brandon Spikes? Yeah,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: you won two national championships at Florida. I guess good one, um,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: next one. I signed with New England before my fifth
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: year as wide receiver in the league. I signed with
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: New England before my fifth year No. One. I was
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: a reliable target for Brady during the team's three Super
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Bowl runs in four years. David pad correct deuce alright
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: was looking at the right, uh next one two more.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: I was a pass catching running back for the Patriots
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: and routinely put up thirty to forty catch seasons as
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: a player former Patriot. I spent my entire career as
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: a Patriot. N Kevin fok last one. This one's worth
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: three thirty to forty said, it's a uh final, This
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: is the bonus. I was a backup to Drew Bledsoe
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: and spent majority of my career as a Patriot before
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: going to Florida to finish my playing career. Seriously, you
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: know what. Seriously, this is like a joke. Okay, but
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: didn't make a guess. I feel like I knew who
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: it is saying maybe the one person I know who
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: it is. I don't want to get it wrong because
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: I think everyone's gonna get it in the next one.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I have I have been a part of
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: the team's Super Bowl success and a few losses. Said
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: so lack. Yes, I think I think I was gonna
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: say so after the first one. I was too obvious.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: I went out. I wasn't get the Florida thing. What
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: does that mean he went to Miami. Oh, I'm just thinking,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: like he went to Florida like he retired. I didn't.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I mean it's Miami generally it
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: is in Florida. Was Tampa Bay? I know a different team?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: Well that's you don't want to just say it? Then?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: I think it was well worded, like being part of
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: he was part of in the broadcasting booth, you know,
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  Speaker 1: boy just pooh pooing it? No, I just does that
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  Speaker 1: make it work? Hey? A lot of people in this
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  Speaker 1: room have Super Bowl rings, right, Like if you if
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  Speaker 1: you're in the broadcast booth and you're part of it,
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  Speaker 1: then I guess Fred and Paul were part of it too.
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  Speaker 1: If you're in part of the pregame show, I think
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  Speaker 1: you're part of it. Yeah. But oh wow, thanks, let's Ken,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb and Knoxville. Right. Um. He says. My viewpoint on
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: the season last year was Bill knew last year there
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: was absolutely no way they would have a shot at contending,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: and there was nobody better to get at Offensive Coiner
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  Speaker 1: than waiting a year for Bill O'Brien to become available
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  Speaker 1: and the head coach should have been fired after meeting
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  Speaker 1: with him in Sabin last offseason. Bill will never tank
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  Speaker 1: or throw a season, but I truly believe last year.
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  Speaker 1: But I truly believe last season was a product of
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Bill setting things up for a longer term plan than
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: just the twenty twenty two season. I believe he hasn't
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: been vocal about Patricia and Judge doing bad jobs because
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: ultimately Bill knew they were put in positions to fail
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: all for the betterment of the team years down the line.
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  Speaker 1: Not saying that ideology is right or wrong, just the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that makes sense to me based on Bill's
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  Speaker 1: track record, like he's seventy years old. Like it's just
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  Speaker 1: And I think this gets to the heart of the
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  Speaker 1: matter of like where's the urgency, Like you don't really
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  Speaker 1: like nobody's going to be upset in seven or eight
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: years from now when you've been out of the league
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: for four years and the team stinks, like they just
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: loved you to see you go all in and take
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: advantage of what people have come to believe, you know,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: is the greatest coach of all time. And that's that
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: lack of urgency. I think it just permeates the last
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: three seasons, and I don't. I don't get it. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's like somebody who's coaching like they're gonna
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: coach forever. Mister Kraft made that clear when we were
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: in Arizona that he is looking to see a change
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: this season, like playoffs, playoffs, not in a couple of years.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Last year was to win playoff games. This year it
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: was just to make the playoffs. Do you think this
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: year he does think he's going to coach forever, like
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: not forever, but like you know, like like he's he's
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: he's wired that way to think that he may. I
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: don't think he thinks he's done anytime soon. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: So maybe in his head, like we're all saying, oh, well,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: how many more years is a seven year old coach?
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Half maybe he's like ten Like I and I think Evin,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: I think that part of his philosophy, which I really
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: like generally as a philosophy, is just focusing on the immediate,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: immediate right now, you know, And I think like that
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  Speaker 1: almost might be maybe part of the problem at the
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  Speaker 1: end here is that you've been so dedicated to not
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: worrying about, you know, the next couple of years or
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: how things are falling into place. You're just methodically building
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: a team like you always have that you're gonna miss out.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe we all have it wrong and he we got
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: the wrong record that he's after. Maybe he's going after
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: the oldest coach ever in the NFL record. That's a
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: great reason. I'm not going to get that. I'm only
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: kidding at and you don't have to get so serious.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: But what was Levi? Huh was it Levi? Who was
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: the oldest? I don't know, Mar, we should find that out. Probably,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think the number is? Like, what's the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: age of the oldest coach ever in the NFL? Seventy four?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: I'm saying eighty two. I was going to say eighty two,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: eighty zero? Dous a look it up. Meanwhile, I'll read
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Drew and Bradford's email. When the Patriots drafted fifteenth overall,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: there was already the question in the media whether Bill
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: really thought Mac was their guy because the Patriots didn't
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: trade up to get him. Was the value for a
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: consensus first round caliber quarterback at pick fifteen was too
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: much to pass on? During the draft, there was a
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: lot of reports Bill wanted the guard Elijah Vera Tucker,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: but the Jets drafted him before the Patriots pick. With
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: the significant differences in Robert Crafts and Bill's comments towards
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: macdus offseason, combined with Bill's refusal to Backmack at any
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: point in time, do you think it is possible that
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: Bill got a director from above that they needed to
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: draft a rookie quarterback in the twenty twenty one draft
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: if one was still available. No, yeah, I don't. I
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think so. I think there was.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely everything he said is definitely like
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: sort of out there as potential factors and why they
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: took him in and whatnot, and the fact that they
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: were they needed a quarterback clearly and they would contently
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: just wait it out and whatever one was there they
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: were going to take. So a lot of people were like, well,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: they didn't love him because of that. The rest of it,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: who knows for sure. So I got the list of
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: the oldest coaches NFL history. It's actually pretty interesting. Um
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: the coach, the coach who coached at the oldest ages.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: We should probably do a trivia for it. Because he
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: was a fairly prominent Patriots coach recently, like within the
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: last twenty years he coached. I don't want to give
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: any more away. Well to say it, well, Romeo Cornell
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: coached it at seventy three was when he filled in,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: I guess for the Texans. Seventy three was the oldest
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: before that. There's no coach and the coaches that have
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: coached over seventy or Gunther Cunningham coach to seventy, Alexanders
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: coach to seventy one, Marv Levus seventy two, George Hallis
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: was seventy two, four wins, Hollis was seventy two. He
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: coached for forty seven. I'm surprised that it wasn't higher
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, and now I know he's going for
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: that record oldest coach well, and he's got it. I
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: don't know when the last posted, but it was one.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Bill was sixty nine, so I guess that's the last year.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: But he was at forty five years at that point.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: So I mean it just in terms of coaching longevity,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: Hollis coach forty seven years and Bill will I guess
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: would be forty seven this year. So holbready years did
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: uh Shuler coach, not on the list, not on the
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: top ten. Arians got on it at sixteen shorter. Some
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: might say, you guys are the worst. Wait, he said,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Arians was what? Uh just? I mean? He was sixty
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: nine but twenty five years acted well? All right, good
• 1:57:52
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