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Ken Rosenthal at Tony Vitello's 1st MLB camp, Isaac Paredes trade buzz update + Ken Davidoff’s “101 Lessons From The Dugout” · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to other topics.
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Speaker 2: Ken you're a Giants camp, tell us about how Tony
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Speaker 2: Vaitello is learning about big league camp.
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Speaker 3: It was interesting. I attended his first media session and
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Speaker 3: he obviously is someone who has done this a long time,
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Speaker 3: just not at this level. He was at Tennessee and
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Speaker 3: he got asked, Hey, is this the most reporters you've
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Speaker 3: ever seen? Or maybe fifteen of us there, and he said, no,
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Speaker 3: we got covered pretty heavily at Tennessee. And one of
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Speaker 3: the things that people tend to underestimate, including myself, when
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Speaker 3: I look at the jump from college to the majors,
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Speaker 3: is college baseball right now is at a really high level.
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Speaker 3: They use analytics the way the major leagues do. They
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Speaker 3: train and do all these different things that are not
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Speaker 3: all that different from what we see on an everyday
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Speaker 3: basis in Major League baseball. So he comes into this
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Speaker 3: it's obviously different. One of the first things he mentioned
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Speaker 3: is that he doesn't know the players as well because
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Speaker 3: he didn't recruit them. He's met them now. He's talked
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Speaker 3: to them in phone conversations, maybe by text, but that's
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Speaker 3: a difference. Right when you're recruiting a player, you get
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Speaker 3: to know him, you get to know his family, you
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Speaker 3: get a real good feel. He doesn't have that yet,
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Speaker 3: but he'll build it. And the word that two Giants
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Speaker 3: people I spoke with today used to describe him, and
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Speaker 3: they use the same word was sharp. And if you've
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Speaker 3: got someone who's sharp, who's got a lot of energy,
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Speaker 3: a lot of personality, you tend to think he'll figure
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Speaker 3: it out. And he also has Jase Tinkler on his staff,
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Speaker 3: former Major League manager Ron Washington on his staff, former
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Speaker 3: major league manager Dusty Baker, and Bruce Bochi will be around,
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Speaker 3: so he'll have people to lean on and people he
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Speaker 3: can trust and have to bounce off ideas with. He
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Speaker 3: should be okay, but it's going to be one of
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Speaker 3: these stories that we follow all season because it is
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Speaker 3: so new and we have not seen this happen I
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Speaker 3: don't know on a hundred years or so where a
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Speaker 3: guy goes from college to the majors.
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Speaker 4: Well, you can also throw in some doom for the
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Speaker 4: Nationals who have Bleake pe Terra. Sorry, Ken, I'm just
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Speaker 4: taking you literally. But the Giants, though, did they build
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Speaker 4: their roster well enough to help him succeed? I mean,
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Speaker 4: you can have manager of this manager of that college.
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Speaker 4: Ra Ra and Tony Vaitelo. We had him on our show,
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Speaker 4: his unbelievable interview. He gets it, he understands he's not
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Speaker 4: going into this thing. I have all the answers, he said, Hey,
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Speaker 4: I'm going to learn from the people around me. I
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Speaker 4: have to learn a lot quickly. So did the Giants
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Speaker 4: do enough this offseason with Buster Posey in charge to
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Speaker 4: give him a team that can compete with the Padres,
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Speaker 4: the Diamondbacks, the Dodgers, and the Rockies in his division.
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Speaker 3: That's the question, and I'm not sure the answer to
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Speaker 3: that is yes.
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Speaker 1: What did they do?
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Speaker 3: They signed Tyler Molly, They signed Adrian Hawserd to bolster
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Speaker 3: their rotation. They didn't get a top of the rotation guy.
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Speaker 3: They got two guys who are pretty good, and Molly
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Speaker 3: coming off the injury, might be really good. But could
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Speaker 3: they have done more? Yes, they could have done more
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Speaker 3: there now to round out their position club, they signed
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Speaker 3: Harrison Bader to play center field, and they feel that
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Speaker 3: their outfield is going to be much better defensively this
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Speaker 3: year with Jung Hully healthy, with Elliott Ramos showing a
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Speaker 3: more of a committed approach to learning, and mastering left field,
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Speaker 3: and then they signed a Rise, Louisa Rise, that became
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Speaker 3: official just about an hour ago. He's going to play
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Speaker 3: second base. He is hungry to establish himself as at
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Speaker 3: least an average defender at second base again. And of
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Speaker 3: course he's got one of the great infield coaches of
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Speaker 3: all time to work with, and that's Ron Washington. So
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Speaker 3: I would have liked to have seen them do a
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Speaker 3: little bit more. But remember, they made a move that
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Speaker 3: if they had made it in the offseason, we'd be
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Speaker 3: declaring them winners. And that was the Devas trade last June.
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Speaker 3: Devers is here already, He's taken some flips from Ron
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Speaker 3: Washington and his fellow coaches this morning. They're gonna be okay.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how good they're going to be. They're
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Speaker 3: gonna have to figure out their bullpen, which right now
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Speaker 3: seems to be just this thing that is there and
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Speaker 3: they don't really have much definition to it, but they will.
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Speaker 3: They'll find it. And do I see them as good
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Speaker 3: as the Dodgers, of course not. Do I see them
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Speaker 3: as good as the Padres, probably not, but they still
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Speaker 3: can be a competitive group. And I believe the Diamondbacks
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Speaker 3: are going to be a competitive team too, especially if
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Speaker 3: they signed Gowan.
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Speaker 4: All Right, Ken, it's your favorite time of the year.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna get to work together for the WBC. There's
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Speaker 4: a thing out there about the ABS that's coming into
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Speaker 4: Major League Baseball this year. Are the catchers really at
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Speaker 4: a disadvantage because they have to go miss those two
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Speaker 4: weeks possibly for if you make a deep run, because
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Speaker 4: they're not gonna be with their team in spring training
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Speaker 4: and they're not gonna But most of them saw this
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Speaker 4: last year, right they did? They not see most of
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Speaker 4: these guys see this last year. Maybe they're missing out
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Speaker 4: on some strategy on this. But I don't know if
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Speaker 4: this is a huge deal that we're trying to make
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Speaker 4: it into.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that anybody's try to make it into
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Speaker 3: a huge deal, AJ, but we're talking about it. Ideally.
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Speaker 3: Would you rather be in camp for ABS and to
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Speaker 3: talk strategy and to go through it all for those
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Speaker 3: two weeks you're gonna miss if you're a major league catcher. Yes,
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Speaker 3: But we're also talking about the elite catchers in the game,
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Speaker 3: right cal Raley, Will Smith. Yes, they're gonna figure it out,
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Speaker 3: and I don't expect it to be a problem. It's
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Speaker 3: not necessarily ideal, as I said, but these guys are
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Speaker 3: really smart. They know what they're doing, and this is
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Speaker 3: something I'm sure they've been preparing for already.
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Speaker 1: And obviously it's not.
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Speaker 3: The same as catching pitches with the system and all that.
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Speaker 3: I get it. But the thought process is, oh, that
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Speaker 3: they're gonna be fine.
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Speaker 2: ftfam Ken. I know you touched on some of this,
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Speaker 2: but wanted to get your thoughts on where you think
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Speaker 2: the Astros are at with Esak Pratus. And I know
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Speaker 2: this is a guy who could be a valuable member
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Speaker 2: of their team, but it does feel like he's the
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say odd man out, but the
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Speaker 2: guy that's maybe most easy to trade.
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Speaker 1: And they did lose some suitors over.
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Speaker 2: The last twenty four hours, but fans are asking if
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Speaker 2: there's going to be any trade activity over the next
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Speaker 2: several days. And that's the name that I came up
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Speaker 2: with that I guess could still be moved around somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Right, that situation still has to resolve. And I know
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Speaker 3: the Astros have said, oh, we can carry both Christian
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Speaker 3: Walker and he Zac parades into spring training. Well, how
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Speaker 3: are you going to do that exactly? I mean they
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Speaker 3: can carry into spring training, I'm int into the season.
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Speaker 3: There's just not enough at bats, not enough playing time
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Speaker 3: around you've got your Don alvarezk he's a DH so
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Speaker 3: I still expect something to happen there. But you're right, Scott.
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Speaker 3: They lost the suitor with the Red Sox, who of
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Speaker 3: course acquired Caleb Durban and that would seem to be
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Speaker 3: their move. It doesn't seem that they're going to flip
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Speaker 3: some of the guys that they acquired, including Durbin, to
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Speaker 3: the Astros for parades.
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Speaker 6: That's not happening from what I understand.
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Speaker 3: And then the Pirates another team that has been in.
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Speaker 3: When they're a team that just spent twelve million dollars
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Speaker 3: on Marcella Zuna, they might not have another ten million.
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Speaker 6: Or so for parades.
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Speaker 3: So I know there are other teams in the mix.
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Speaker 3: The Astros have said, and Chandler Room of our network
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Speaker 3: has said that they have other teams involved. I believe
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Speaker 3: Chandler wrote in The Athletic that there were five teams involved. Well,
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Speaker 3: if there are five teams involved, the Red Sox and
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Speaker 3: Pirates aren't as strong as they were, there's still three others,
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Speaker 3: So I still expect something to happen. Timing I can't
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Speaker 3: tell you, but it just seems to me that he
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Speaker 3: has a lot of value. He's got a couple of
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Speaker 3: years of control, and he's a guy that people want.
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Speaker 3: So given that and giving Christian Walker's low trade value,
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Speaker 3: right now, he is, as you said, Scott the odd
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Speaker 3: man out, and I do expect before opening Day he's
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Speaker 3: going to be in another uniform.
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Speaker 5: All right, This is not power rankings. Who do you
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Speaker 5: think improved the most this offseason? Because now pitchers and
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Speaker 5: catchers are here, there's no more like nobody else can improve.
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Speaker 5: I'm kidding, obviously everybody can still improve, but who did
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Speaker 5: the best?
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Speaker 7: Who did in your mind? Who did the best?
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Speaker 3: The White Socks come to mind. Now, granted they're starting
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Speaker 3: from almost zero in some ways, but they made some
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Speaker 3: interesting moves, Muri Kami of course being the most interesting
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Speaker 3: of all. I felt the Orioles have done well, and
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Speaker 3: throughout the offseason they've added here and there. They still
9:27
Speaker 3: want to do one more starting pitching or more starting pitcher,
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Speaker 3: so I would include them as well other teams. I
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Speaker 3: like what the Red Sox have done, but I'm curious
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Speaker 3: to see how it plays out. They've certainly done a lot,
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Speaker 3: and they've done it without trading any top prospects. I
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Speaker 3: still wonder as a lot of people are wondering whether
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Speaker 3: they're going to have enough power. Durbin is a guy who,
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Speaker 3: in fed way, because he pulls the ball in the air,
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Speaker 3: might be a pretty good hitter, might be even a
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Speaker 3: twenty homer guy. But he hasn't been that in the
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Speaker 3: Big believes yet. He's your player last year, So that's
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Speaker 3: one question I have with them. I like what Seattle
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Speaker 3: has done with the bullpen for air and then of
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Speaker 3: course getting Donovan. A number of teams look like they're
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Speaker 3: going to be improved, and people were saying, well, what
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Speaker 3: about the Mets. The Mets are going to be different.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know how much better they're going to be.
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Speaker 3: They're a lot different and they're going to be fascinating
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Speaker 3: team to watch. It's just how good are they actually
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Speaker 3: going to be?
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Speaker 7: Breaking news? Not crats? Ken hates the Mets, So just
10:30
Speaker 7: make sure that we clip that.
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Speaker 4: It's not Cracks, it's everybody else. You hate life, Ken,
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Speaker 4: We can't. We try to cheer you up every time
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Speaker 4: you come on and it doesn't work.
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Speaker 1: He looks happy at spring training. Can true.
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Speaker 4: Maybe that's what it was, Maybe just outside you know
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Speaker 4: what next offseason instead of just sitting around. You should
10:47
Speaker 4: fly to winter Ball and just cover that. For that
10:49
Speaker 4: way you'll be happy, though maybe I.
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Speaker 3: Will be if it's a lockout.
10:54
Speaker 4: Yes, we could do Korea Games like they did that
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Speaker 4: one year. You could do the Korea Games. You could
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Speaker 4: do a metre. I be sleeping, But Ken, that wasn't
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Speaker 4: my question. You brought up the Red Sox as a team,
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Speaker 4: and today was you know, there's some things out there,
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Speaker 4: but I want to know this name, and we haven't
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Speaker 4: heard a lot about this name, Tristan Cassas. Is he
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Speaker 4: on the Red Sox? Is he gonna because they have
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Speaker 4: Wilson Contreres. It's not like they didn't go out and
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Speaker 4: get a first basement basically to replace them. And this
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Speaker 4: guy has been hype pipe pipe pipe pipe for the
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Speaker 4: Red Sox. Skit skit, skit, skit skit for the Red Sox,
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Speaker 4: but he gets hurt every year.
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Speaker 7: Is he gonna be on the team?
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Speaker 4: Is he going to be a player that they can
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Speaker 4: count on for production?
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Speaker 3: I don't know how much playing time he's going to get,
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Speaker 3: And certainly someone to look at it spring training and
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Speaker 3: see what he is or where he is health wise
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Speaker 3: and take it from there. You could always send him back.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be the end of the world to do that,
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Speaker 3: and he'd be obviously protection And if he shows really
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Speaker 3: well in spring training, I guess you could trade him too.
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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure what the plans are for him,
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Speaker 3: And You're right, he's kind of a forgotten man because
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Speaker 3: he has gotten her and has had those problems and
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Speaker 3: faded off the radar, so to speak, while Roman Anthony
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Speaker 3: and Marcela Meyer and Christian Campbell have all come to
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Speaker 3: the four for Boston and varying degrees of success. So
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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure, Aj, what the answer to that is.
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Speaker 3: Part of the reason for spring training is to find
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Speaker 3: out answers to some of these questions. And it's interesting.
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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this this morning. Joel Sherman of
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Speaker 3: The New York Post wrote about it today. There are
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Speaker 3: a number of younger players, and I guess you could
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Speaker 3: maybe even put Casses in this group. Brett Batty with
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Speaker 3: the Mets, Matt Shaw at the Cubs, Casey Schmidt right
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Speaker 3: here with the Giants, and maybe Casses too. They're younger
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Speaker 3: guys who have kind of been squeezed.
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Speaker 1: Out of regular roles.
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Speaker 3: What do teams do with them, Do they keep them
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Speaker 3: for depths, do they trade them? How do they go
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Speaker 3: about it? That's going to be an underlying storyline of
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Speaker 3: the spring.
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Speaker 5: We found out from Jim yesterday in an article that
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Speaker 5: he wrote, Jim Bowden that his routine is he buys
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Speaker 5: an expensive pair of sunglasses and some SPF sixty sunblock.
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Speaker 5: What's Ken's routine every spring training? And how many spring trainings?
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Speaker 5: Do you know how many spring trainings this is for you?
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Speaker 7: Now?
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Speaker 3: I do, Eric, and it's a big number, and I'm
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Speaker 3: almost embarrassed to say it, but this is number forty,
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Speaker 3: and wow, it's It's not a particular routine I have.
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Speaker 3: I did start young, not as young as I would
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Speaker 3: like to have started, But no, I started jugs. I
13:24
Speaker 3: don't really have a routine. I just enjoy it. It's
13:27
Speaker 3: interesting to me. What makes it so fun for me?
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Speaker 3: And I experienced this this morning again.
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Speaker 1: All went along.
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Speaker 3: I'm on the phone with people. I've not seen people
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Speaker 3: in person for the most part, except that maybe the
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Speaker 3: winter meetings, and even there you don't really see people
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Speaker 3: in person. And here this morning, I'm talking to players again,
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Speaker 3: talking to executives in person. It's a huge difference. It's
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Speaker 3: one of the things I treasure most about my job,
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Speaker 3: and that, to me is the thing that stands out
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Speaker 3: every spring. I'm always so excited just to see everybody again,
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Speaker 3: even Aj.
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Speaker 1: Bet. I'm jam futures on the Twins.
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Speaker 2: Former Aj Pizinski team Minnesota Twins seventy three and a
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Speaker 2: half wins.
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Speaker 4: Under going under because I think at some point they're
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Speaker 4: gonna trade Ryan Joe Ryan Pablo Lopez could possibly be
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Speaker 4: on the list if depending on how it goes Byron
14:32
Speaker 4: Buckson might go to him and say, hey, I've had enough.
14:35
Speaker 4: We're not gonna be good for anytime soon. I mean,
14:37
Speaker 4: I want you know, is Royce Lewis gonna be healthy?
14:40
Speaker 4: That's always a question, right. I know they have some
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Speaker 4: young guys coming up, but they haven't really proven anything.
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Speaker 4: They traded ten of their twenty six guys away at
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Speaker 4: the trade deadline last year.
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Speaker 7: I'm going under. I think they're about a seventy one team.
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Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 4: Tigers have gotten better, the Guardians of the Guardians, the
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Speaker 4: White Sox have gotten better. The Royals are gonna be decent.
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Speaker 4: I think they might be the last place team in
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Speaker 4: this division.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say this everything because it's about
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Speaker 2: the players on the field, but management matters. Breaking up
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Speaker 2: with Derek Falby two weeks before springs training spring training.
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Speaker 7: Started there anymore.
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Speaker 4: And this is not a knock on Derek Shelan, but
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Speaker 4: Derek Sheldon's never been the manager of a winning team.
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Speaker 7: And that's that's not That's not a knock on him
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Speaker 7: at all.
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Speaker 1: I'm just unlucky he's he was with the Pirates.
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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that he can't be. I'm just saying
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Speaker 7: he hasn't been.
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Speaker 4: And to lose Rocco Baldelli, who was kind of the
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Speaker 4: steadying ship, not that Derek. Not that Derek Shelton is
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Speaker 4: bad at all, because I love Shelty you too, but
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Speaker 4: it's just it's different. You lose there, you lose your
15:42
Speaker 4: president of baseball op.
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Speaker 7: And a new man. I think they're a seventy one team.
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15:49
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Speaker 1: Was talking with a lot of confidence. I'm more of
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Speaker 1: an all in guy.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be competitive this year. I mean, look,
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Speaker 2: betamgam's putting out odds. They say, you're not going to
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Speaker 2: be competitive.
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Speaker 5: I mean, all in can mean two things. People think, Oh,
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Speaker 5: I'm all in. That means they're going for it. He's like,
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Speaker 5: I'm all in for exactly what I want to do.
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Speaker 7: Nothing.
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Speaker 5: I think they reduce their payroll by twenty million. They
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Speaker 5: reduce their payroll again this year by thirty million. Like
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Speaker 5: it's it's easy. It's easy to see what route they're going.
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Speaker 5: And there's no way. This is only borderline for me
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Speaker 5: if I'm going to put a larger amount on it
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18:16
Speaker 2: Longtime baseball writer Ken david Off joining us right now
18:19
Speaker 2: on FT and new hit author co author of the
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Speaker 2: book One on One Lessons from the Dugout. I have
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Speaker 2: it too, so we'll show it off while we say
18:29
Speaker 2: hello to Ken.
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Speaker 1: Ken.
18:31
Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show. There it is, Yeah,
18:33
Speaker 2: you show it off. You're the one who put all
18:34
Speaker 2: the work together. Thanks for show it off. Yeah, exactly,
18:38
Speaker 2: we both can show it off. I like the cover too,
18:40
Speaker 2: by the way. It stands out a lot because it's green,
18:42
Speaker 2: and I see David Wright's name on here.
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Speaker 1: Nice and big.
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Speaker 2: But thanks for joining us, and first off, congrats on
18:48
Speaker 2: the book. Give us the loadown and then we'll dig
18:50
Speaker 2: through this a little bit.
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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, guys. Great to see all of you,
18:55
Speaker 6: and the loadout on the book is we My co author,
18:58
Speaker 6: Harley roadebart He is a pediatrician and parenting expert. He
19:02
Speaker 6: and I put together a list of one hundred and
19:05
Speaker 6: one different items about baseball and softball and ways you
19:09
Speaker 6: can take the lessons that you learn from these different
19:11
Speaker 6: items and transfer them into your everyday life.
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Speaker 4: Ken, I'm going to say this, I read the book
19:21
Speaker 4: so I could talk about it. I actually read the
19:24
Speaker 4: entire book and I only got it on Saturday. So
19:26
Speaker 4: this got me through Saturday afternoon content on television just
19:32
Speaker 4: because we had a whole meeting producer Lady goes we
19:35
Speaker 4: got the book not that long ago.
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Speaker 7: Who no way anyone finished it.
19:38
Speaker 4: I'm like, uh, yes, actually some of us did finish it,
19:41
Speaker 4: because we do do our job. What the thing that
19:44
Speaker 4: stands out to me is this is a great book
19:45
Speaker 4: for a lot of reasons. Now it's it's geared towards
19:48
Speaker 4: more towards kids, correct, Am I correct? Because a lot
19:50
Speaker 4: of it was ask your parents, ask your coaches, ask
19:53
Speaker 4: your teacher, which which is awesome. I wish my son
19:56
Speaker 4: would have had this book now before he was, you know,
19:59
Speaker 4: into college, and now he just doesn't listen to anybody.
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Speaker 7: So that's fine. It's kids right there at the age
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Speaker 7: of that. But these lessons are so valuable.
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Speaker 4: And the thing that I love about this for kids
20:09
Speaker 4: is it's short, right, Every pair of every one of
20:10
Speaker 4: these one hundred and one is like a page or
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Speaker 4: two and you're like boom, okay, on to the next,
20:14
Speaker 4: on to the next, and explains baseball softball situations, and
20:18
Speaker 4: it explains how you apply it to your everyday life.
20:20
Speaker 4: And one thing I always say about baseball and sports
20:22
Speaker 4: in general, they teach you how to fail, and this
20:25
Speaker 4: book does a great job of saying, hey, you're going
20:27
Speaker 4: to fail, now, how do you put that into your
20:29
Speaker 4: real world activities? And that's why I was like, oh man,
20:32
Speaker 4: this is good especially for I would say, ten to
20:36
Speaker 4: seventeen year old kids before they think they've got everything
20:39
Speaker 4: figured out, which most kids not thinking eight.
20:41
Speaker 6: Anyways, Well, hey, I thank you for reading the whole book,
20:45
Speaker 6: and thank you for not finding anything interesting on TV
20:47
Speaker 6: so that you read the book. I appreciate that. So yeah,
20:53
Speaker 6: I mean, technically this is good for ages of twelve
20:56
Speaker 6: and up, but I think it can give a little
20:59
Speaker 6: younger two. There's nothing really risque in there. And yeah,
21:02
Speaker 6: you said it. A lot of talk about failure obviously,
21:05
Speaker 6: and I'm preaching the choir here, but the idea of
21:08
Speaker 6: even the best baseball players fail to get on base
21:12
Speaker 6: seven out of every ten times, everyone has I say
21:14
Speaker 6: six out of every ten times on base percentage, And
21:18
Speaker 6: how do you deal with that disappointment? How do you
21:20
Speaker 6: react to that? How do you react when you come
21:23
Speaker 6: to the field and you're not in the lineup that day?
21:26
Speaker 6: That's chapter two, you know, Chapter two is you're not
21:28
Speaker 6: in the lineup, how are you going to deal with that?
21:31
Speaker 6: And just we take it through various different ways, not
21:35
Speaker 6: not every chapter is about failure, but just all the
21:39
Speaker 6: wonderful ways that this game can teach us how to
21:42
Speaker 6: live our life better.
21:44
Speaker 5: How many of these lessons would have been good for
21:46
Speaker 5: you to learn before you lived through all of those situations.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about Eric. And I do think Look,
21:53
Speaker 6: it's my book, so I'm bias, but I do think
21:57
Speaker 6: it can help as adults still. And someone asked me
22:01
Speaker 6: recently to apply had this book impact my own career
22:05
Speaker 6: covering baseball, and and there's a chapter small Ball. You know,
22:09
Speaker 6: don't don't focus on the home run, especially when you're
22:12
Speaker 6: just starting, you know, to focus on building up, putting
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Speaker 6: together you know, hit singles and bumping over and and
22:19
Speaker 6: just putting some runs on the board. And that's the
22:21
Speaker 6: way I approached my career. You know, I was first
22:24
Speaker 6: covering the Yankees and Mets back in the mid to
22:26
Speaker 6: late nineties. Like, I wasn't trying to get huge scoops.
22:30
Speaker 6: I was just trying to build relationships and get small
22:33
Speaker 6: nuggets of information that no one else had and building
22:36
Speaker 6: up my credibility to the fact where I did feel
22:38
Speaker 6: comfortable swing for the fences.
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Speaker 4: Okay, give us some examples, give us, give us, give
22:45
Speaker 4: us some examples of how Again, I've read this so
22:49
Speaker 4: I get it. But in this book it gives examples
22:51
Speaker 4: of I mean, it was like on deck circle you
22:54
Speaker 4: used to prep for tests and the bases are loaded,
22:57
Speaker 4: how you prepare? And there was one about a drop
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Speaker 4: third strike, which I know a little something about, and
23:02
Speaker 4: how you always need to run it out. Just because
23:04
Speaker 4: you fail the first time doesn't mean that your life
23:06
Speaker 4: is over. So can you give us some real world
23:08
Speaker 4: examples that are.
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Speaker 7: In the book?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, happily, aj so on one of my favorites and
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Speaker 6: is Field's Choice, and I will press the panel here.
23:18
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure you guys can handle this, but just
23:19
Speaker 6: to just to talk it through. So let's say, let's
23:22
Speaker 6: say you're up, you're playing, you're in the field. It's
23:25
Speaker 6: for they batters of first and second with no outs,
23:29
Speaker 6: and you're up by four runs. So how do you
23:31
Speaker 6: approach that situation in the field, up by four first
23:34
Speaker 6: and second no outs? Asking you guys, you get the
23:37
Speaker 6: out right, right? So now we but now we change
23:41
Speaker 6: that in the field first and second no outs up
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Speaker 6: by one. How do you approach that?
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Speaker 7: You try to get the lead runner if you can. Yes, sorry,
23:51
Speaker 7: all that.
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Speaker 6: So now let's carry that into school. Let's say aj
23:55
Speaker 6: back when your son was still in high school. Let's
23:58
Speaker 6: say he did not like chemistry, hardest class, but he
24:02
Speaker 6: was acent it, he was doing a good job with it.
24:04
Speaker 6: And tonight he's got homework in five different subjects. So
24:07
Speaker 6: he's up four runs in chemistry. Right, he's got the A.
24:10
Speaker 6: So maybe he can take his feet off the gas
24:12
Speaker 6: a little bit in chemistry and do some work and
24:14
Speaker 6: some other subjects that he likes better. But let's say
24:17
Speaker 6: he's got a C plus in chemistry. Now he's only
24:20
Speaker 6: up a run. Now he's got to let that lead out.
24:22
Speaker 6: He's got to study hard on chemistry to try to
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Speaker 6: boost his grade up right, and he that's where he
24:27
Speaker 6: needs to prioritize. So just the idea how a Fielder's
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Speaker 6: Choice can teach you how to prioritize on the file
24:34
Speaker 6: and in life.
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Speaker 4: Jan if my son had a C plus and anything,
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Speaker 4: he'd be he'd be freaked out.
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Speaker 7: There would not be any This book wouldn't help him.
24:42
Speaker 7: I promise you that this book would not help him.
24:46
Speaker 7: He would he would, Yeah, he had a plus. If
24:50
Speaker 7: he had c plus, I trust me this book.
24:52
Speaker 4: The only thing this book would be used for is
24:55
Speaker 4: we ain't going to talk about that on the TV.
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Speaker 6: But I think you get my point in any case, yes,
25:01
Speaker 6: of course, and go ahead, got no. I was just
25:08
Speaker 6: another parallel that's actually was quite serendipitous, was you know,
25:13
Speaker 6: And if you know the book writing process, this book
25:16
Speaker 6: was signed, sealed, and delivered by last fall. I mean
25:18
Speaker 6: not all the chapters written. There was a production process.
25:21
Speaker 6: So we're just have our feet up, letting the factories
25:24
Speaker 6: do their job, and we're watching the World Series, and
25:27
Speaker 6: lo and behold, mister Yamamoto pitches a complete game in
25:32
Speaker 6: Game two in the World Series against the Blue Jays,
25:35
Speaker 6: and before he goes back in the clubhouse, he picks
25:38
Speaker 6: up every piece of trash in the dugout. And that
25:41
Speaker 6: is our chapter ninety two. Clean up your own mess,
25:45
Speaker 6: dragging the field, cleaning the dugout, clean up your messes,
25:48
Speaker 6: take pride in your space. So we're just very proud
25:51
Speaker 6: to see Yamamoto, you know, practice well, we're preaching. And
25:55
Speaker 6: my joke has been maybe he got a sneak copy
25:57
Speaker 6: of the book and I think more likely he was
25:59
Speaker 6: raised that way in Japan, but it just shows the
26:02
Speaker 6: value of that at the highest level, on the biggest stage.
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Speaker 5: I'm actually going to be reading this book to my
26:10
Speaker 5: high school team that I coach because there's a lot
26:12
Speaker 5: of very applicable things, and I feel like, as a coach,
26:15
Speaker 5: you're applying these things, yes to baseball, but ultimately they're
26:20
Speaker 5: not going to be big league baseball players. They're going
26:22
Speaker 5: to be men, husbands, brothers, sons for the rest of
26:27
Speaker 5: their life. Who were you thinking of when you wrote
26:29
Speaker 5: these chapters when you're I know you're co author, so
26:33
Speaker 5: you wrote it together. But when you were going through
26:36
Speaker 5: these and you're like these life lessons and all this stuff,
26:39
Speaker 5: who were the people that were coming to your mind
26:41
Speaker 5: as you wrote these words?
26:43
Speaker 1: All right?
26:44
Speaker 6: Definitely my son. My son is now twenty two in college,
26:46
Speaker 6: but he played ball and I coached on occasion when
26:49
Speaker 6: I when my schedule allowed me. You know, I was
26:52
Speaker 6: like the third base coach. I can be the mager
26:53
Speaker 6: because I was too busy covering you guys. But I
26:57
Speaker 6: just thought of my son playing travel ball, playing junior
27:02
Speaker 6: high school ball, middle school ball, and the lessons we
27:05
Speaker 6: tried to take away from that and all of his
27:09
Speaker 6: his his teammates at the time, and now you know,
27:13
Speaker 6: going down the line, maybe off grand kids. Someday I
27:15
Speaker 6: can impart these two.
27:18
Speaker 3: All right.
27:18
Speaker 4: There's a couple there's a couple of chapters I wanted
27:20
Speaker 4: to talk to about, and one of them is the Mound.
27:22
Speaker 4: I love the Mound the Mound one because you're like,
27:24
Speaker 4: the mound is in the middle of the diamond and
27:26
Speaker 4: it's built up, and you got you stand there and
27:29
Speaker 4: so take your shot on the mound.
27:30
Speaker 1: Right.
27:30
Speaker 4: I've had this conversation with my kids many times where hey,
27:33
Speaker 4: you have to fake it sometimes and just tell yourself
27:36
Speaker 4: that I'm the Kenny Rogers song right, the Greatest where
27:39
Speaker 4: he strikes out and he says it's such a great picture.
27:41
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that, like you just have to
27:43
Speaker 4: tell yourself, I'm on the mound, it's my time, and
27:45
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shine.
27:46
Speaker 7: I love that chapter. And the other one, I don't
27:49
Speaker 7: know what I forget what it.
27:50
Speaker 4: Was called, but it was about the snapping when you
27:53
Speaker 4: get mad and you lose your your cool and you
27:55
Speaker 4: throw stuff. I don't know which one that one is,
27:57
Speaker 4: but I just want to say, as someone that did
27:59
Speaker 4: that lot, yeah, it wasn't the best idea and I
28:02
Speaker 4: don't tell my kids to do that, but man, for
28:03
Speaker 4: those for those ten seconds, you feel like awesome. So
28:06
Speaker 4: don't do it, kids, But for those ten seconds, I
28:08
Speaker 4: have to stay.
28:11
Speaker 6: We didn't include that part as we edit out that
28:14
Speaker 6: ten second part, but we h. You're talking about chapter
28:17
Speaker 6: eighty two the head trip controlling your emotion, controlling your temper,
28:20
Speaker 6: which I think fittingly precedes chapter eighty three. The umpire
28:24
Speaker 6: accept responsibility and follow the rules, and you know they're
28:27
Speaker 6: luck with They all blessed, all the umpires out there,
28:30
Speaker 6: so you know when the umpire does make a rare mistake,
28:33
Speaker 6: sometimes you just have to accept you can't control everything
28:36
Speaker 6: in life and move on, right.
28:39
Speaker 7: Or get ejected and move on to the next game
28:43
Speaker 7: and move on to the next day.
28:44
Speaker 4: That's why I get ejected as Aaron Boone does so often.
28:47
Speaker 4: You cover him all the time. Just stand up for
28:49
Speaker 4: your guys and then move on.
28:51
Speaker 2: So yeah, this was written with an MD the sequels
28:53
Speaker 2: coming out with catter aj on some of his the.
29:00
Speaker 1: Which leads me to my next question.
29:02
Speaker 2: Can you describe your relationship with David Wright and how
29:05
Speaker 2: you got him involved with the book.
29:07
Speaker 7: Yeah.
29:07
Speaker 6: Look, I covered David for the entirety of his career.
29:10
Speaker 6: I met him for the first time at the two
29:12
Speaker 6: thousand and four Futures Game in Houston, and then he
29:15
Speaker 6: made his big league debut I think it was about
29:17
Speaker 6: a week later. And one of the best guys you'll
29:20
Speaker 6: ever know in any walk of life. And I knew
29:24
Speaker 6: David was living a quiet life in southern California. I
29:27
Speaker 6: knew he was coaching his three young children, so I
29:30
Speaker 6: thought this book would connect with him, and low and behold,
29:33
Speaker 6: it did, and I was so grateful for David's participation
29:36
Speaker 6: and his blessing, and we were talking through the forward
29:39
Speaker 6: that he wrote. I was so thrilled to ruize he
29:42
Speaker 6: actually does this, like he actually uses the game and
29:46
Speaker 6: like one of his daughters plays soccer. So it's not
29:48
Speaker 6: specifically not limited, I should say, to softball, baseball, but
29:52
Speaker 6: he uses the sports to teach his kids about other
29:55
Speaker 6: walks of life. So I think that's just wonderful and
29:59
Speaker 6: very great to David for joining us on this journey.
30:04
Speaker 2: So now I'm going to try and spin this into
30:06
Speaker 2: the game that we cover all the time. For the
30:09
Speaker 2: most part, here major league based. What parts do you
30:18
Speaker 2: think apply well here to major league players? And what
30:22
Speaker 2: other parts do you think, you know, don't apply well
30:26
Speaker 2: to major league players? And I mean that with the
30:29
Speaker 2: way that the game has changed, I mean we cover
30:32
Speaker 2: a lot of really good dudes that look like they
30:34
Speaker 2: were you know, and sound like they were raised well,
30:36
Speaker 2: they have the right values and morals. I would say overall,
30:40
Speaker 2: I think the players getting less trouble than they used to.
30:42
Speaker 2: You can take that for what it is, but yeah,
30:44
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the character of major league players, but
30:47
Speaker 2: then also on the way that these players are evaluated,
30:49
Speaker 2: because it makes me think back to where we started,
30:51
Speaker 2: where you're talking about small ball and like generally nowadays
30:55
Speaker 2: it's something that we bring up in the playoffs and
30:56
Speaker 2: it's fun. But overall, if you're that kind of guy,
30:59
Speaker 2: you don't get paid as much, so your value is lower.
31:03
Speaker 6: Yes, got that's a very fair question. And yeah, this
31:05
Speaker 6: book is written for, as we said, kids twelve and up.
31:10
Speaker 6: And I yeah, if you want to drill down, for sure,
31:14
Speaker 6: some lessons of major league baseball have evolved in terms
31:17
Speaker 6: of if you want to succeed at the highest level,
31:19
Speaker 6: you know, swing for home runs, right, because it's hard
31:22
Speaker 6: to string three or four hits together off this caliber
31:26
Speaker 6: of pitching. But I do think I'm confident that the
31:29
Speaker 6: high majority of the chapters very much apply to the
31:34
Speaker 6: game at the highest level because most of them having
31:36
Speaker 6: to do do have to do with how do you
31:38
Speaker 6: deal with adversity? How do you deal with unexpected circumstances?
31:42
Speaker 6: AJ before mentioned the drop third strike right like be ready,
31:46
Speaker 6: be ready to all times in your life if you
31:47
Speaker 6: catch a break, you know, and that certainly applies to
31:51
Speaker 6: major League baseball, and I just I do think that
31:57
Speaker 6: most of the time, you still the right thing as
32:00
Speaker 6: a twelve year old is the right thing as a
32:02
Speaker 6: as a multimillion dollar ballplayer.
32:06
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a couple of things about
32:07
Speaker 2: the current sport, and we can stay on the New
32:10
Speaker 2: York teams here for a moment with you, since that's
32:13
Speaker 2: where you're based. So you covered the Yankees for a
32:15
Speaker 2: long time. What do you think about their off season?
32:19
Speaker 2: It seems like they checked the boxes. But when you're
32:22
Speaker 2: a fan, and maybe when you're a Yankees fan especially
32:26
Speaker 2: and you haven't won in a while for their terms,
32:28
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, we're mostly running it back and We'll
32:32
Speaker 2: have a couple injury returns at some point, So how
32:36
Speaker 2: do you evaluate what they did?
32:37
Speaker 1: And I'm just presenting the case here.
32:39
Speaker 2: We just talked about them and they had a very
32:41
Speaker 2: successful regular season and then they got bounced pretty good.
32:45
Speaker 1: But oh we're back. You got us.
32:54
Speaker 2: Sorry we froze Forer A second thoughts on the Yankees
32:57
Speaker 2: running it back and it almost seems like, I mean,
32:59
Speaker 2: you covered Brank Hassman for a long time. He's been
33:01
Speaker 2: defending it like, no, we're running it back because this
33:04
Speaker 2: team can win a World Series.
33:05
Speaker 6: So your thoughts, Yeah, it's a It is a truly
33:08
Speaker 6: fascinating gambit because, as you said, Scott, the fan base
33:12
Speaker 6: is not happy. My point of curiosity, how does the
33:15
Speaker 6: team feel? I mean, these two guys here, Agan Eric
33:18
Speaker 6: can speak to the jolt a team gets mid season
33:22
Speaker 6: when those new guys come in by a trade, right,
33:26
Speaker 6: and the disappointment when that doesn't happen. So I'm curious
33:29
Speaker 6: in that clubhouse, is there any what is the move there?
33:33
Speaker 6: My hunch is that this group is pretty together and
33:38
Speaker 6: so that's not going to be an issue. That is
33:39
Speaker 6: just a matter of is this team talented enough to
33:42
Speaker 6: win it all? It is, and I you know, to me,
33:47
Speaker 6: the biggest areas of concern are I'm surprised I haven't
33:50
Speaker 6: gotten more guys with higher floors for their starting rotation
33:53
Speaker 6: and for their bullpen, because I think they have guys
33:55
Speaker 6: with high ceilings. When you look at a kid like
33:58
Speaker 6: Ryan Weathers, whose dad I covered on the ninety six Yankees,
34:01
Speaker 6: David Weather's was a high ceiling, but I wouldn't say
34:05
Speaker 6: as a high floor. So I still wouldn't surprise if
34:08
Speaker 6: they brought in a couple more veterans who give them
34:12
Speaker 6: just some more certainty in terms of the innings.
34:16
Speaker 2: All right, and then I'll flip you over to the
34:18
Speaker 2: Mets side of things. Super interesting offseason for them. They
34:22
Speaker 2: switched it up quite a bit, and I don't think
34:25
Speaker 2: anyone would doubt that they needed to switch things up
34:27
Speaker 2: a little bit. It's actually funny where you talked to
34:30
Speaker 2: a lot of Mets fans because I'm Offen in the
34:32
Speaker 2: New York area, and they're pretty bummed that they lost
34:34
Speaker 2: out on some of their guys, yet also excited for
34:37
Speaker 2: who they brought in. I mean, in a perfect world,
34:39
Speaker 2: it's like they wish they kept Edwin Diez and Pee
34:41
Speaker 2: Alonzo and then still made these moves. You can't do
34:44
Speaker 2: all of that. So what are your thoughts on what
34:46
Speaker 2: they did this offseason? And also the way that they're
34:49
Speaker 2: looking at a number of players out of position and
34:52
Speaker 2: saying they'll figure it out.
34:54
Speaker 1: Actually, it's funny. We've been talking about this with the Brewers.
34:57
Speaker 2: They're playing all kinds of puzzle piece action right now
35:01
Speaker 2: after they traded away Caleb Durban.
35:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think if they had brought in I'm sorry,
35:08
Speaker 6: if they had brought back Edwin Diaz and done everything else,
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Speaker 6: I think would be an a plus offseason, and I
35:14
Speaker 6: think there would be universal acclaim and even excitement among
35:18
Speaker 6: the Mets. Are the very Mets fans who were so
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Speaker 6: upset that they traded Nimo and let Pete go. I
35:23
Speaker 6: do think that bullpen just stands out to me. Devin Williams,
35:26
Speaker 6: And if you you know, I'm no longer covering the
35:29
Speaker 6: game full time, but I certainly still pay attention a lot.
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Speaker 6: And this whole idea that Devin Williams, Oh, if you
35:33
Speaker 6: look at the underlying numbers, he actually had a good year. Like, no,
35:37
Speaker 6: I'm not buying that. Like he struggled as the Yankees
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Speaker 6: closer and everything that comes with that responsibility. And now
35:44
Speaker 6: he's going to be in the same town with a
35:46
Speaker 6: lot of the very same media people in the same
35:50
Speaker 6: volume of media. So that is not a slam dunk
35:54
Speaker 6: for me. I do like Luke Weaver as a as
35:56
Speaker 6: another guy there, and in terms of the defense, yeah,
36:00
Speaker 6: huge risk. What's interesting is these guys are athletic, right
36:03
Speaker 6: Bishett and Polanco, So you're not putting dhs out there
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Speaker 6: at new positions. But a risk for sure, But it
36:11
Speaker 6: seems like it was a necessary to necessary move to
36:17
Speaker 6: kind of blow things up and start over. And we'll
36:20
Speaker 6: see if it works. I'll say now, I'd be very
36:23
Speaker 6: surprised if they did not exceed last year's eighty three
36:26
Speaker 6: and seventy nine record.
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Speaker 4: Ken, I just want to know, since you don't cover
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Speaker 4: the teams anymore, who ends the year with the better record?
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Speaker 4: The Yankees are the Mets this year, since you're not,
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Speaker 4: since you don't have to cover them, now, you can
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Speaker 4: give us your honest opinion who this year finishes with
36:42
Speaker 4: the better record.
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Speaker 6: I would hope I was giving my hosesbite opinion before.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, now that I'm in the media, I know that
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Speaker 4: our media work.
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Speaker 6: So I don't have to say the Yankees just because,
36:55
Speaker 6: but the Yankees have The Yankees have historically figured it
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Speaker 6: out better and more often than the Mets, and I
37:02
Speaker 6: do think the Yankees have fewer question marks about the
37:06
Speaker 6: overall team, So I would have to go with the Yankees.
37:08
Speaker 6: Agent right.
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Speaker 5: We have a lot of players and writers on but
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Speaker 5: one of the common themes is New York tough city
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Speaker 5: to play in.
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Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of pressure.
37:18
Speaker 5: Why did you put so much pressure on all those
37:21
Speaker 5: players as part of the media and reading your book,
37:24
Speaker 5: it feels like there's the.
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Speaker 7: Soft side of you? Is there a way? Is there
37:29
Speaker 7: is there?
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Speaker 5: Is there a part of you that saw some of
37:34
Speaker 5: that media like that players can't handle New York, which
37:38
Speaker 5: I don't one hundred percent believe, and maybe you took
37:42
Speaker 5: it a little bit easier on players.
37:46
Speaker 6: I do think this book is a reflection of the
37:50
Speaker 6: fact that I was burnt out on the job that
37:52
Speaker 6: you guys are doing now covering the game every day,
37:56
Speaker 6: like it's it's such a grind. And I loved it
37:59
Speaker 6: and it was my childhood dream, but I just reached
38:02
Speaker 6: a point where like I wasn't enjoying this anymore. And
38:04
Speaker 6: this book was such a refreshing change of pace for me,
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Speaker 6: just to really embrace the game in such a loving
38:10
Speaker 6: way and talk about the game at its fundamental level,
38:14
Speaker 6: to talk about the three outs and the nine innings
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Speaker 6: and the bases and all these different elements. So that
38:21
Speaker 6: was a true joy for me. As for New York, Eric,
38:23
Speaker 6: I'm curious. I'm interested to hear you say that, because
38:26
Speaker 6: I believe it's a real thing. Like I saw enough
38:29
Speaker 6: guys just struggle. More than anything. It's just the volume, right,
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Speaker 6: It's the volume of quantity of people. And I do
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Speaker 6: think the commentary is harsher than it is in other
38:40
Speaker 6: markets by and large. But even like I always the story.
38:43
Speaker 6: I always tell Randy Johnson, you know, Hall of Fame
38:45
Speaker 6: pitcher all time at worse, the second best left the
38:49
Speaker 6: starter ever, right, like just a fina. But Randy came
38:52
Speaker 6: to New York and like he didn't like all that attention.
38:56
Speaker 6: I think he'd be the first to tell you. And
38:59
Speaker 6: he like I remember, like between start, you know, throwd
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Speaker 6: between starts, and he would throw and like media will
39:05
Speaker 6: come up with him, like you, how'd your session go, Randy?
39:07
Speaker 6: Like what are you talking about? Yeah, we know your
39:10
Speaker 6: last two starts haven't been great. Did you change anything
39:13
Speaker 6: up in your session?
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Speaker 3: Like?
39:14
Speaker 6: What do you do differently? Like? That was like mind
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Speaker 6: blowing for Randy because I think, with all the respect
39:19
Speaker 6: to the smaller markets, he played it like he would
39:21
Speaker 6: just do his own business between starts and never get
39:24
Speaker 6: a questioned about anything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a great It didn't help Ken.
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Speaker 7: Then he shoved the cameraman right. That didn't help me either.
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Speaker 7: I mean, that's let's.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to New York.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, now is a cameraman. That's right?
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Speaker 6: Oh, good pivot there.
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Speaker 7: He should have definitely should have read that. Listen.
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Speaker 4: I think that, I mean, I listen to someone that
39:48
Speaker 4: played in big and small markets.
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Speaker 7: I don't know that.
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Speaker 4: It's definitely the media coverage. I think it all also
39:53
Speaker 4: has to do with the way teams handle it, because
39:54
Speaker 4: different teams handle things different ways. And it starts with
39:57
Speaker 4: the manager in the in the front office people and
39:59
Speaker 4: if you the guys who are right, and I'll give
40:02
Speaker 4: Aaron Boone credit.
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Speaker 7: For this a lot.
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Speaker 4: And I don't know Cashman as well as I know Boonie,
40:06
Speaker 4: but they really try to take pressure off the players, right,
40:09
Speaker 4: like and I think Carlos Mendoza does a great job
40:11
Speaker 4: in New York with us too, like that Aaron Boone's like,
40:14
Speaker 4: throw it on me, I'll take it, you know, and
40:17
Speaker 4: so that it's not on them. Then you can get
40:18
Speaker 4: a manager that is like, oh, well, I don't know
40:21
Speaker 4: why he did that, asked the player, and then the
40:23
Speaker 4: players like, well, he gave me the bonner, he gave
40:25
Speaker 4: me the hit and run, or he brought me into
40:27
Speaker 4: the game, right, you know. So I think it can
40:31
Speaker 4: be a thing, but it also can be mitigated and
40:35
Speaker 4: lessened a little bit if you're people in charge help
40:40
Speaker 4: you a little bit and not say, oh, it's all
40:43
Speaker 4: the players fault or it's all you know, Oh well
40:45
Speaker 4: ask him, Like, no, ask me, I'm in charge. I'll
40:48
Speaker 4: handle the heat. And I think that helps.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Well, we appreciate the time. Great conversation
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Speaker 2: with you. Ken's book is available wherever you get books.
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Speaker 2: One oh one Lessons from the Dugout What baseball and
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Speaker 2: softball can teach us about the game of life and
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Speaker 2: if you go on the back. Some recommendations include Reggie Jackson,
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Speaker 2: Bernie Williams, Joe Girardi, and Cayrol Hutchins. Who's the winningest
41:10
Speaker 2: softball coach in NCAA history. Ken, thanks again for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Congrats on the book. We appreciate you putting this together
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Speaker 2: and joining us.
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Speaker 6: Guys, thanks for having me. Great to see all