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CJ Renegade: Wrestling Journeys, Texas Matches, and Inspirations for New Generations · Scene Projects Sports Network

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  What's up, everyone?
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  Welcome to a very exciting episode of Beyond the Bell.
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  Today, I have a very special guest here.
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  I'd like to int you guys introduce you guys to one of the awesome people on the independent
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  scene, one of the best wrestlers I've seen in recent times.
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  This is CJ Renegade.
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  What's good, y'all?
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  CJ Renegade, TKO, elites, all that good stuff, man.
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  How's it going, man?
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  It's going great.
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  How are you doing?
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  Been blessed, brother.
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  Been blessed.
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  How about you?
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  Absolute blessings all around, man.
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  And Even today, I feel like it's a blessing to be able to interview you.
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  Hell, yeah.
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  So how'd you get started with the wrestling?
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  Like, were you a fan growing up, or did you just stumble into it?
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  Or
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  So believe it or not, the first time I got introduced to wrestling was right before
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  WrestleMania twenty three.
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  That was right before it all, like, it all started.
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  My dad got the pay per view, and we all watched it.
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  And then, actually, I had just watched the marine, the one that John Cena did, and I
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  became a fan of him ever since.
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  So it was, like, a mixture of those things happen that I became a fan.
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  Now as it I didn't I honestly didn't know when I was younger that there were indie wrestlers.
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  I didn't know that at the time.
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  I was under the impression that there's only guys that are in the WWE that are the only
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  wrestlers out there.
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  But, no, I didn't know there was indie wrestlers.
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  And my first indie promotion that I watched was way before, like, I ever thought of becoming
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  one.
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  Like, I just enjoy wrestling.
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  And then I got so it's kinda funny how I start off.
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  Well, I started off kind of, kind of shaky because I was part of this group out in Corpus
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  Christi that we do wrestling skits.
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  Like, not matches, but actual skits that were, like, pretend matches.
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  So I did that for a little bit, and then I wanted to become an actual professional
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  wrestler.
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  So I looked I was trying to figure out where to go and all that, and I had to get steered in
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  the right direction to find an actual teacher.
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  And then ever since then, I jumped around from training to training, you know, traveling all
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  over the place here in Texas, and I eventually found my spot in Houston.
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  So it was a rough shaky start at first, but then I I finally I I eventually found my, my
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  step, you know, or my my, my rhythm pretty much.
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  Yeah.
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  And, I mean, that's always the best thing is, like, when you finally get into your rhythm,
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  you know, and you know what you wanna do, where you wanna be, that's when everything seems to
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  align, you know, and you start to get your career going.
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  Definitely.
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  And so with all that, what promotions have you wrestled for then around Texas?
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  Oh, that's dang.
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  That's a whole survey, honestly.
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  Because I've done so many promotions on my short time.
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  So I'll just give you a whole, like, maybe a good few of them.
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  So I did Texas Texas Combat League, no, whole promotion I'm I'm part of.
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  I did I did Dwarfinators.
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  I did, Sadistic Wrestling Federation out in Silsbee.
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  I did Evolution Dojo.
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  I did local wrestling, local underground.
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  Yeah.
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  Elite Breakout Wrestling.
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  I did Wrestle Shop.
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  I did, like, a lot of Houston, San Antonio based promotions.
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  I even did a SoCal Pro Wrestling out out in Cali, last year, October.
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  And
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  So you're starting go Cali?
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  Pretty much.
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  Yeah.
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  I I broke out of the scene pretty much.
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  Like, it was that it was that crazy.
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  What else did I do?
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  Dang.
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  Like, I just off the top of my head, those are one my favorite matches I've done.
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  Then, I did some, like, just, like, small house shows, you know, birthday parties and stuff.
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  It was I just I'm all over the place, honestly.
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  You're doing everything.
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  So do you do any of the bar fights then when it comes to wrestling?
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  Are you out there doing the bar fights down the same I
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  did I did actually three of them, but they're around Houston.
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  No.
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  I did one in Houston.
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  No.
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  Actually, two in Houston.
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  Two of them, and then one out in San Antonio.
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  Yeah.
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  I noticed San Antonio's scene is a lot of the bar fight, death match, really hardcore there.
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  I'm a be honest.
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  Like, I can respect the people that do them.
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  Just me personally, I can't do it all the time.
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  Like Oh.
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  I have a lot of respect for peep that that actually do it, but I just can't do it all the
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  time.
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  I could do, like, maybe once in a blue moon, but,
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  like know mean?
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  It's fun, but it's also a little more dangerous than the traditional wrestling.
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  Yeah.
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  Definitely.
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  And I, I don't know if you know him.
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  I interviewed, like, Joe Payne from down in San Antonio, and he's not flexible.
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  He is pure death match.
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  And, like, I don't know how he does it.
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  Like, I I wanna wrestle, but I don't think I could sit around and take light tubes every
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  other day of my life.
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  Yeah.
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  And and Saint Joe Payne, that's the homie right there.
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  That's the homie right there.
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  Yeah.
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  He's I'll give him a I'll give him a lot of respect.
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  Respect is due.
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  Like, that's family, but also, you know, he does death match, so I'll give him credit.
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  That's a really tough sport to do.
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  Yeah.
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  It's and, I mean, I would be scared.
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  I'm not even gonna lie.
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  I'd probably shit my britches if I was in there if someone starts swinging a light tube at me.
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  Like, the craziest thing I did was in San Antonio.
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  I had a match against Xavier Gotti, and, there's a part where I drag him on the on the
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  floor.
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  I did a swanton bomb off the stage onto him.
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  Really?
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  Yeah.
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  And I was, like, right yeah.
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  That was right after I did I I hit him with with a light tube.
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  And that's, like, kinda your craziest moment then?
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  I would say so.
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  Yeah.
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  Because I haven't done anything crazier since.
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  Alright.
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  So, I mean, that answers my next question was literally gonna be what's your craziest moment,
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  and you answered it on your own.
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  I think it was that one or, I think that's virtually it because I don't do much crazier
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  stuff besides, like because I'm a big guy.
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  I'm three hundred pounds.
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  I'm doing swan time bombs off, like, this the top rope and, you know, off the stages and
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  stuff.
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  But
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  You're already doing crazy stuff for someone of your size, honestly.
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  Yeah.
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  And I I get a lot of, I I get a lot of shit for that, honestly.
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  I don't know how you get a shit for that.
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  That's awesome that you're out there.
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  People tell me I'm not meant for stuff like that.
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  They tell me that I'm too big.
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  That's what you see who
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  you are.
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  Yeah.
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  And, honestly, like, it gets annoying sometimes that, bro, like, people go crazy for this
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  stuff, and you want people to be engaged with the match.
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  So and that's why I don't understand.
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  I mean
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  You know mean?
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  Like, a three hundred pound guy hitting a Swanton bomb.
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  I mean, like, that's unexpected.
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  That hooks people in that grabs everybody's attention the moment they see you launch off
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  the top rope and do that.
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  Like And that's what I'm saying, bro.
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  Like, I hate when people tell me, oh, you can't be doing this or you shouldn't be doing that.
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  Are you just upset because you can't pull the same pop I can pull?
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  I mean
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  Maybe you gotta find a move that normally big guys do and start doing that one, dudes.
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  Yeah.
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  But that gets boring after a while.
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  It gets boring, especially when, you know, it's, like, big guys do big guy moves most of
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  time and little guys do little guy moves.
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  Like, I wanna see a little guy reach up above his head and choke slam the six foot tall guy
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  or something.
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  You know?
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  It's definitely crazy.
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  Like, I know there's a moment where, I did a match out out on Corpus.
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  This promotion is no longer active, but there's a part where I did the assisted Kip Up, the one
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  that big shows back in WCW.
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  Oh.
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  I did that.
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  Oh, nice.
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  Yeah.
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  And and a lot of people like me doing that, so I just kept it ever since.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, once they like it, I mean, you just gotta keep it going.
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  Right?
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  Of course.
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  Yeah.
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  So I've been trying to do it ever since, but it's just, sometimes the matches get full, and
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  there's no way I can add it to the match.
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  So just left it alone.
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  So with that with that being said, what is your biggest match you've had then?
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  I mean, you have all these big moments that you've done, and, I mean, obviously, the crowd
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  gets pulled in so quickly with what you do.
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  Okay.
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  So by term big match, you mean, like, the biggest guy I faced or, like, the biggest name
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  I faced?
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  Like, what was, like,
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  what Let's go both.
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  Let's go both.
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  Okay.
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  So I would say the biggest match I've done was a it was a it's a fatal it was a fatal four way
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  out in San Antonio.
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  And they were all big guys, But one of them named Omega, he was, like, the biggest guy I
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  ever faced in a match.
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  I think he's, like, four fifty, something like that.
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  I can't exactly how much he weighed.
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  I know he said it one time.
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  I can't remember how much he weighed, he he was a he was a big dude.
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  And at near the end of it
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  Yeah.
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  He should be four fifty, if you remember right, from last stats I saw.
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  And then, I remember at the end of the match, he got me in an f five and managed to pick me
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  up and then did that.
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  And it's rare I get picked up, so it's just crazy.
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  Then biggest name, this match, unfortunately, they I didn't get recorded.
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  I'm trying to get clips of it, but no one's sending me stuff.
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  It was, me and Ninja Mac.
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  It was it was at a birthday party, but even then, that was still a fun match to do.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Definitely.
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  Like, I feel like it doesn't matter where the match is.
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  It matters how much spirit you put into it and how much you enjoy doing it and how much the
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  people Yeah.
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  Were able
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  to, like, see what It was fun.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  mean, birthday party wrestling is awesome.
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  I don't care anyone who says.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  The kids were nuts.
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  Put that down, but, like, it's really, like when you think about that's probably how
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  wrestling first started.
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  Of course.
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  Yeah.
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  And, yeah, the kids were they were absolutely crazy during the whole time.
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  Like, do I was doing our moves, and he did his, handstand, or somersault out of the ring, and I
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  caught him.
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  Like, they they went nuts for that.
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  Even the parents went nuts for that.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I can imagine.
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  I mean, I would be going nuts for that.
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  But I think those are the only matches I've had that were that were bigger than me or the
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  biggest name I've I faced.
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  And I've had a lot of triple threats, fatal four ways.
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  And it's virtually that's virtually it, honestly.
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  Alright.
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  So then I guess, well, what's your like, I guess, what's that one match?
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  Like, if somebody asks, like, hey.
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  What's a match?
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  Should see you're like, hey.
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  What's your favorite match?
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  What comes into your head right away?
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  You know?
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  What's that match that sits with you when that question gets asked?
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  There's actually a couple.
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  There's me against, the Rebel Rock, Sean Jones.
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  We had a good match that I really had fun with that one.
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  Great.
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  There was, me and Alex Ray for the TKL title.
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  There was does that happen down the right o?
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  It's between me versus Gavin Young versus Marcus Ray.
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  We had a triple threat, and, unfortunately, there was no winner because we all got attacked
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  near the end of it.
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  But it was a it was still a fun match to do.
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  Think that's the important part there is, like, not you guys have fun and, like, you know,
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  obviously, the fans have fun every video I see.
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  Like, you know, whoever's watching, they they just seem to, like, be excited with all
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  your matches.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I mean, you're I think you're hitting all the right points with all your matches.
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  You know, you have fun.
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  The people have fun, and it's good.
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  Like, it's all great work that you put in and that your opponents have put in.
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  So being from Texas, I guess, what's your opinion on, like, the lack of drug testing for
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  professional wrestlers there?
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  So that's new to me.
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  I never knew about that.
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  So, I've been told recently because I wanted to wrestle out in Oklahoma.
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  Right?
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  But there was, some, someone told me that you needed to take a certain test, and you gotta do
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  all these certain things before you can even consider wrestling out out in Oklahoma.
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  So I never knew that.
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  Texas is one of the only unregulated states for professional wrestling.
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  There's very few.
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  Really?
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  That's crazy.
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  Yeah.
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  It's because of all the injuries, and then I believe it's the real, like, heavy push on
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  regulation starting in the nineties after Owen Hart's dropped from his, you know, big entrance
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  as the blue Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  From there, they just kinda had to do what they could to, like, not have bad things happen.
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  So there's been, like, million regulations against drugs and everything.
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  Oh, of course.
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  But, your your question was how I feel about how Texas doesn't have that?
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  It.
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  Yeah.
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  Texas not having that.
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  I mean I mean, considering, like, I'm I'm still a student of the game, I'm still learning how
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  everything works.
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  So, I mean, I mean, it hasn't stopped me from competing everywhere.
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  So, I mean, obviously, I can't do it.
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  I gotta get, you know, like, you know, approved of that first.
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  So it's still new to me how all this works.
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  So how I personally feel about it, I mean, at the end of the day, everyone is gonna wanna be
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  a professor professional wrestler regardless of, like, if they get tested or they get they
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  wanna be athletic or what they got whatever they gotta do.
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  Do I think it's safer and, you know, obviously, you know, to get approved for it?
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  Then yes.
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  But then that's gonna cut a lot of people that wanna do this for a living that, oh, I gotta do
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  this.
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  I gotta do that.
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  That's not as fun anymore.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not fun, but at the end of the day, it's for our safety.
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  So if they ever do decide to regulate it, then, of course, I have to do all that to stay in the
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  game.
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  But until that day happens, I'm still I mean, I'm a just ride this way as long as I can.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Yes.
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  You're just kinda, like, in the middle of it.
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  Like, with that, it feels like you're kinda more in the middle.
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  Like, yeah, it's for our safety, but you don't want it to be steering people away from the
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  sport, it kinda feels like.
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  Yeah.
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  Sort of.
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  Yeah.
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  Because then you have, like like, 20 plus people that wanna do this, and this sport gets
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  regulated here in Texas.
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  And that's 17 people that doesn't wanna do it, and you got the three guys that you know that
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  wanna do it still.
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  So that kind of, like, cuts off anyone that really wants to do it but doesn't wanna go
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  through all that testing and regulation stuff even to attempt to do it.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, that makes a lot of sense too, like, with that.
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  But, yeah, you don't really, like, wanna push people away.
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  And while yeah.
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  Of course, we all want it to be regulated.
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  We don't want less and less wrestlers because that's how, you know, that's how industries
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  start dying.
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  Yeah.
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  So and Texas is huge.
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  Like, there is a lot of leagues.
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  There's a lot of indie wrestlers.
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  There's a lot of, like like, minor promotions, major promotions.
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  Like, there's a lot here.
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  So there's a whole vast of, like, variety here at Texas, which I'm extremely grateful for.
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  Because if you can't make it in one city, you could do it another one.
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  If you're not popular at a certain town, you go to another one.
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  Like, the the range is incredible here in Texas.
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  Yeah.
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  And, like, that's what I've really noticed when I, like, I'm not gonna lie.
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  I punched in the chat GPT.
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  I was like, let me hit up the heads of these guys.
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  Wrestling promotions in Texas.
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  And then it's like, duh.
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  And it's just all.
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  It's like a whole There's scroll worth of names.
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  Yeah.
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  It's it's crazy how many leagues.
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  And even that that are new ones that are coming out, like, the list just goes on and on and on.
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  Like, it's just it's incredible.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I still wish I would have started this before Victoria Pro shut down, you know, or
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  Victory Pro.
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  Still wish.
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  Yeah.
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  They would have been awesome to have any of those guys through here.
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  Oops.
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  I was just gonna say you're dropping, and then you just go.
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  I'm good.
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  There you go.
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  I'm a just hold on to it because I don't wanna drop it again.
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  What's your favorite match stipulation to do then?
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  Okay.
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  So my favorite one as of late that I had fun doing, it maybe had to be an ODQ because,
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  obviously, there's no rules.
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  You could do whatever the hell you want.
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  But there are dream ones I wanna do.
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  Like, there's a I wanna do a last man standing match.
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  I wanna do a cage match.
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  What else I wanted to do?
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  A submission match because I have the the Hells Gate I do for a finisher sometimes.
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  There's a there's just a lot of like, those are the top three I wanna do.
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  Steel cage, last man standing, and, the submission match.
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  You know?
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  And those are all, like, awesome match types.
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  And the fact that they're all so, like, different, I really like that too.
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  You know?
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  Because a lot of people, they give, like, two or three, and they're like, you know, I really
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  wanna do, like, a steel cage or a hell in a cellar.
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  They say it like that, but you are given, like, actual variety in what you wanna do.
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  Yeah.
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  Because I studied like, believe it or not, like, when I got the the wrestling games for
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  Spider versus Raw two k 20, I always, like, look up to certain match types that I feel I
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  had fun with.
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  And so far, those matches are the ones that I had fun with.
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  Yeah.
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  So you're kinda, like, figuring out what you enjoy from, like, games or what?
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  No.
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  I just do that so I can, like I picture myself doing it in actual, like, promotion.
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  Like, if they ask me to do a last man standing, then, yeah, I'm a go for that straight up.
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  Then in anything else, I'll just, you know, have fun with it.
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  Yeah, man.
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  That's awesome.
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  You know?
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  I hope that you can get to do all those soon.
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  I mean, especially because, like, I can see your star is rising.
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  You know, you've made it out of out of your home state recently, and presumably, it's gonna
• 19:35
  happen again.
• 19:38
  I really hope so.
• 19:39
  Like, the all I can say is, like, the sky is the limit.
• 19:42
  So I wouldn't be surprised if the next, like, promotion I do, they want me to do a last man
• 19:47
  standing or if, god willing, I do do a steel cage because I think at the Houston Premier
• 19:53
  Arena, they have a steel cage in the back, but I just don't want to do it.
• 19:56
  So
• 19:57
  They they do.
• 19:58
  Someone's told me about the cage.
• 20:00
  They have one.
• 20:02
  Yeah.
• 20:02
  It's definitely I really wanna do something like that.
• 20:05
  I remember a long time ago out in Victoria, they had a an all steel cage event.
• 20:10
  And I was like, damn.
• 20:11
  I really wanna be in there, but I can already tell it's a pain in the ass to put together.
• 20:15
  Oh, yeah.
• 20:18
  It has to be.
• 20:19
  I mean
• 20:21
  At least, like, with WWE, like, they lower the damp thing from the top of the from the from
• 20:26
  the ceiling.
• 20:27
  You know, I mean, everyone's seeing these guys lifting panels and connecting panels.
• 20:31
  And
• 20:32
  Yeah.
• 20:32
  So that's already a pain to do already.
• 20:35
  I mean, at least all the guys are in good shape already from wrestling training.
• 20:40
  Right?
• 20:41
  Of of course.
• 20:42
  Yeah.
• 20:42
  That's the that's the, that's the advantage.
• 20:49
  It's the one advantage to having to put together the steel cage of The Indies is you're
• 20:53
  already in good shape.
• 20:56
  Yeah.
• 20:56
  I think, someone mentioned to me that the reason why no one does steel cage as often as
• 21:01
  they should is because, like, they have to rely on the talent to do it.
• 21:05
  And if they're in matches where they're, like, they're rivals, like, people are gonna ask,
• 21:10
  what are they doing?
• 21:10
  They they hate each other while they're gonna, like, totally put a steel cage together.
• 21:13
  So that's what they told me why steel cages aren't really as often as they should be.
• 21:17
  It's got a type of thing where you'd have to have extra hands on deck and, you know,
• 21:22
  you gotta keep the safe, Dave, going.
• 21:24
  I've seen it I've seen it firsthand where, like, not a lot of hands are on, like, not a
• 21:30
  lot of hands are on deck because I've seen people, like, think they're they're too high or
• 21:35
  mighty to not help out.
• 21:38
  And that's just not true.
• 21:39
  I mean, heck, I literally that's it's a been it's a lot in the music industry like that too
• 21:44
  where people think they're too high and mighty to, like, help with this or that.
• 21:47
  You know?
• 21:48
  But it's like I show up I'm a music artist.
• 21:51
  I show up to all my shows early and help set up.
• 21:55
  Yeah.
• 21:56
  So
• 21:56
  I guess I guess I just don't get it.
• 21:58
  You know?
• 21:59
  Mhmm.
• 22:01
  But it's it sucks because, like, I know I'm still new at this.
• 22:06
  I'm still paying my dues.
• 22:07
  But either way, I try to show up early, I try to, like, you know, help set up the the ring
• 22:12
  and everything and see if the the promoter needs anything.
• 22:16
  Like, I do what I can to, like, show that I'm here to pay my dues pretty much.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:21
  I mean, you do great things inside the ring, and I can tell outside the ring you're very
• 22:26
  you're very helpful with what, like, shows and promotions just from the way you talk and stuff
• 22:32
  about this.
• 22:33
  I try to I I try to.
• 22:35
  Like, it's it just sucks is that sometimes it's only me.
• 22:38
  I think I remember doing a show out in, in Kingsville, and it was just me and the ring guy
• 22:44
  and his son that was with the ring that was at.
• 22:47
  Really?
• 22:48
  Yeah.
• 22:49
  And the other guys didn't show up till, like like, not even thirty minutes later.
• 22:54
  I was say probably oh, I was about to say ten minutes to curtain.
• 22:57
  No.
• 22:57
  They show up late just as you finish.
• 22:59
  Yeah.
• 23:01
  Well, like, we barely we started, like, getting everything set up.
• 23:03
  And then right when it showed up, we started taking down all the the bigger pieces down.
• 23:09
  So small pieces, and then they showed up, and it was time for all the big ones?
• 23:13
  Yep.
• 23:19
  You there, CJ?
• 23:20
  You cut.
• 23:21
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  It's probably my connection, honestly.
• 23:26
  Yep.
• 23:29
  But yeah.
• 23:30
  So it's kinda like you guys did the smaller pieces and then the bigger the other guys came
• 23:34
  in.
• 23:34
  You had the bigger pieces waiting for them?
• 23:36
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  Pretty much.
• 23:38
  Sounds like a fair trade.
• 23:40
  Oh, definitely a good fair trade.
• 23:43
  Should've been there on time.
• 23:46
  That's what I try to do.
• 23:47
  Like, I try to be there on time.
• 23:49
  If, if I gotta be there out of town, then either I gotta be I gotta be there, like, early
• 23:55
  in the morning and then wait for the show to start or, like, get a hotel and stay a night
• 23:58
  there and then get there early.
• 24:00
  Yeah.
• 24:00
  And, like, I mean, that's just how it is sometimes.
• 24:03
  I'm just like, I have to do the same thing a lot of the time when I have to travel.
• 24:07
  You know, you have to get there early because you don't know if anything's gonna happen on
• 24:11
  the road.
• 24:16
  My
• 24:20
  bad.
• 24:20
  I'm trying to a lot of people are messaging me on here, and it's, like, you know, interfering.
• 24:31
  Hello?
• 24:33
  Yeah.
• 24:33
  You're good.
• 24:34
  It's mostly my end too.
• 24:36
  Did you hear what I said there then?
• 24:39
  No.
• 24:39
  I broke up a little bit.
• 24:41
  I'm trying to remember what we were talking about quick, what the last thing said was.
• 24:46
  It was about the, the ring setup.
• 24:48
  Oh, yeah.
• 24:48
  And I mean, like, yeah, that's how it goes, though.
• 24:50
  Like, I remember now because we're talking about on the road stuff.
• 24:53
  But, yeah, that's how it goes.
• 24:54
  You know, we gotta leave early to get wherever we have to go for traveling whether like, no
• 24:58
  matter what the industry is really, know, when it comes to performing because something
• 25:03
  happens on the road, the show's screwed up if you can't make it.
• 25:07
  You know?
• 25:09
  Yeah.
• 25:09
  And that
• 25:10
  It took me a few shows to win.
• 25:13
  That's the same way with wrestling.
• 25:15
  Like, say if you have a you're good.
• 25:19
  It's like, with wrestling, how, like, if you have a a main event and the other guy can't
• 25:24
  make it because of, like, traffic issues or personal issues, then, you know, the whole
• 25:27
  event's like, not whole event, but the whole main event is, like, messed up.
• 25:31
  Oh, yeah.
• 25:32
  I know how you feel.
• 25:33
  I put on a show last month, and my co headliner never showed up.
• 25:37
  Oh, damn.
• 25:39
  Yeah.
• 25:39
  I did everything.
• 25:41
  And then my co headliner and half the lineup wasn't there.
• 25:44
  That's crazy.
• 25:47
  Well, like, you know, it's the entertainment industry at all aspects.
• 25:50
  I mean, same things happen in wrestling too, sadly.
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  Unfortunately, that does happen.
• 25:56
  But at the end of the day, like, we, wrestlers, are very, very, what's the word?
• 26:04
  Adaptive.
• 26:05
  So if one thing doesn't work, we we shift stuff around to make it work.
• 26:10
  Exactly.
• 26:11
  And that's what we have to do sometimes.
• 26:13
  So, I guess, onto the next thing.
• 26:15
  Have you had any I mean, I know you've had some titles.
• 26:19
  Like, you've told me about one, but what about all the others?
• 26:21
  You know?
• 26:21
  I know there's gotta be more than one.
• 26:24
  Yeah.
• 26:25
  So the past three years, I had a title called the multimedia title.
• 26:29
  I, unfortunately, had to retire it.
• 26:31
  Then I had the TKL Elite title.
• 26:33
  I still have it.
• 26:34
  I had the ACW Come and Ticket title, but I unfortunately dropped that one recently.
• 26:39
  So those are the only titles I have.
• 26:42
  Come and take a title.
• 26:43
  Yeah.
• 26:46
  That one wasn't you know, I'm not really that one, I'm not I'm starting to, like, not care
• 26:51
  about, honestly.
• 26:52
  If I lost it, I lost it.
• 26:53
  You're let Yeah.
• 26:55
  I mean, that one, I'm kinda like I've interviewed I think yours interview number
• 26:59
  seven, and three or four of you guys have held that same title.
• 27:04
  Yeah.
• 27:05
  And it's just, like I don't mean to, like, shit talk on anybody, but the way they handled that
• 27:10
  part was just, like, I really don't wanna get much into it because it's kind of a it's
• 27:16
  already old topic I really wanna bring up anymore, but I would just say it was a it was
• 27:21
  just if I'm gonna hold a title, I wanna make it, I wanna make it prestigious.
• 27:29
  You know what I mean?
• 27:30
  Yeah.
• 27:30
  You don't wanna hold the mid card, low card title, and I'd say that's kinda what the come
• 27:35
  and take it title feels like it is.
• 27:38
  Yeah.
• 27:38
  So at that point, I'm like
• 27:40
  a lot and it just sorry.
• 27:44
  I didn't mean to
• 27:46
  I'm just saying, like, at this at that point, I'm not gonna sure about it.
• 27:50
  If they get they're gonna take it from me, then by all means, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna worry
• 27:54
  about it.
• 27:54
  You know?
• 27:55
  Yeah.
• 27:55
  I mean, with a title like that, I mean, especially when you're holding the TKL elite
• 27:59
  title.
• 27:59
  You know?
• 28:00
  Yeah.
• 28:01
  Was cool being a double champion.
• 28:02
  Don't get me wrong, but it's just no.
• 28:06
  It wasn't really worth it.
• 28:08
  Oh, yeah.
• 28:08
  No.
• 28:09
  I mean, at some point, like, that title just it changes hands.
• 28:13
  It feels like on a weekly, biweekly basis, someone seems to have that title around their
• 28:17
  waist.
• 28:18
  And
• 28:19
  Yeah.
• 28:19
  And I think with me is that if I'm all in a title, I I at least wanna defend it properly.
• 28:24
  You know what I mean?
• 28:25
  Yeah.
• 28:25
  You don't want to be like and that's basically just a twenty four seven title.
• 28:29
  Like, I mean, you don't wanna be the guy getting beat up randomly after your match.
• 28:33
  You know?
• 28:34
  Yeah.
• 28:34
  I see.
• 28:35
  So I was that's kinda why, like and when I lost it, I was I wasn't sure about it too much.
• 28:42
  Absolutely.
• 28:42
  That makes a lot of sense.
• 28:44
  So, are there any titles that you plan to go for in the near future at all?
• 28:50
  There's obviously the local wrestling title, either both that or the fire daddy title.
• 28:57
  There's the it's another one I saw recently I really wanna get my hands on.
• 29:07
  Oh, man.
• 29:09
  There's the APW, heavyweight title.
• 29:12
  There's the SHW Texas title.
• 29:16
  Like, there's a lot on my on my radar I'm trying to get my hands on.
• 29:20
  Yeah.
• 29:21
  I mean, I can tell because, I mean, you blanked one and were able to name three more right
• 29:25
  after.
• 29:26
  Yeah.
• 29:26
  So you got a list of titles that you want.
• 29:30
  And that's all.
• 29:31
  Try to be the try to be the book collector pretty much.
• 29:35
  So I know you said you were part of, like, something down Texas.
• 29:38
  Have you ever been part of, like, a tag team or anything then, or has it just been the
• 29:41
  promotions and being signed with them and things?
• 29:45
  I've done some tag teams.
• 29:47
  They were just, like, mix match.
• 29:49
  So not really, like I'm not I'm not I'm not much of a tag team guy.
• 29:55
  So
• 29:56
  That's fair.
• 29:57
  High that's how I operate.
• 29:59
  I mean, if I would do a tag team, it had to be, like, either a last minute decision or, they're
• 30:07
  just mix matching team together to see what they work.
• 30:09
  You know I mean?
• 30:10
  Yeah.
• 30:10
  And I'm guessing for you to be, like, in an official tag team, it'd have to be some someone
• 30:14
  that really clicks with you and someone that, like, knows what they're doing, it feels like,
• 30:18
  has the same kind of vision.
• 30:21
  Sort of.
• 30:21
  Yeah.
• 30:22
  It's also another, I need to make sure that we're on the same page.
• 30:26
  Like, we gotta have that that good chemistry.
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  Exactly.
• 30:30
  Because you don't wanna just sit there and, like, mash together two random wrestlers.
• 30:35
  You know?
• 30:37
  Yeah.
• 30:37
  That's unfortunately the case that happened to me recently.
• 30:40
  But, again, like, I'm not I'm not tripping.
• 30:42
  I mean, I said, I'm not a tag team guy.
• 30:44
  I never I was never meant to be a tag team guy.
• 30:46
  So No.
• 30:46
  I mean and I can see it.
• 30:48
  Like, I've seen a tag team match, and then I've seen, like, a dozen solo matches.
• 30:52
  And, I mean, I can tell where you're more inclined to, like, be able to because you can
• 30:58
  be you and do everything you want to do in that match.
• 31:02
  Of course.
• 31:03
  Yeah.
• 31:08
  So So I'm, like like I said, mo What is Mostly no.
• 31:13
  Go ahead.
• 31:13
  I'm sorry.
• 31:15
  No.
• 31:15
  I was gonna let you finish quick and then
• 31:18
  yeah.
• 31:18
  No.
• 31:18
  Like like I said, like, it's I guess with me, it's easier to be in a a a seamless competitor.
• 31:23
  Because that way, have to I have to worry about just myself and my opponent.
• 31:26
  It's you know what mean?
• 31:27
  That's really it.
• 31:29
  Yeah.
• 31:29
  There's no extra faces that can run-in and get their hands on you and things?
• 31:34
  Pretty much.
• 31:36
  So, I guess, are there is there anyone that you wanna face?
• 31:40
  Like, you know, is there anyone that, like, gets a goal to step toe to toe with them inside
• 31:43
  the squared circle?
• 31:46
  There's, Zillow Font two.
• 31:49
  There's Oh, yeah.
• 31:52
  Yeah.
• 31:52
  That's that's one of them.
• 31:53
  I would die to see that one.
• 31:55
  There's Zillow.
• 31:57
  There's a guy named Zeke Rose.
• 31:59
  I want one on one at least.
• 32:04
  Who else?
• 32:05
  There's there's a guy named Jacob Prodigy out in San Antonio I wanna face off against.
• 32:12
  Yeah.
• 32:12
  I believe I've reached out to him and watched some of his stuff.
• 32:17
  Yeah.
• 32:17
  He's he's he's insanely talented.
• 32:20
  Who else?
• 32:26
  There's another big there's another big guy I wanna face off against.
• 32:30
  Like, physically big?
• 32:32
  Yeah.
• 32:33
  Physically big.
• 32:33
  Yeah.
• 32:35
  Is it the one that Joe and Len faced or no?
• 32:40
  Big j.
• 32:42
  Not as not as of late.
• 32:43
  Not with him.
• 32:45
  Yeah.
• 32:45
  I wasn't sure.
• 32:46
  A lot of bigger guys around your area much.
• 32:49
  I know you, and I know Jay who's huge.
• 32:52
  Yeah.
• 32:56
  Off head, those are the only three I could think of, like, as of, like, off, like, off
• 33:00
  head at the moment.
• 33:01
  I have a whole list somewhere in my my my room.
• 33:05
  Oh, you you got you said I have the goal list.
• 33:08
  These guys will face me one day.
• 33:10
  Yeah.
• 33:10
  That's sort of what I have in mind.
• 33:12
  Like, it's a whole list of people I wanna face off in a match.
• 33:15
  Yeah.
• 33:16
  I understand that.
• 33:16
  I have the same list for I will open the concert before these guys.
• 33:21
  Yeah.
• 33:21
  That that's a fire one too.
• 33:25
  Yeah.
• 33:25
  I mean, I feel like having a list for your goals is a very like, having something tangible
• 33:30
  to look at really helps.
• 33:32
  You know?
• 33:33
  Yeah.
• 33:33
  That that just that reminds you to to to keep working harder to to towards those goals.
• 33:39
  And it makes them feel more real because now you have them physically in your hand.
• 33:43
  You know?
• 33:44
  Yeah.
• 33:47
  So, this is this is the tough question, but I love asking it.
• 33:52
  Who's your Mount Rushmore of wrestling?
• 33:55
  Any I actually any I
• 33:59
  actually stated this a while back.
• 34:03
  It was Roman Reigns, John Cena, Undertaker, and Stone Cold.
• 34:08
  I literally cannot argue with that list in any way, shape, or form, man.
• 34:15
  Especially Yeah.
• 34:16
  I did a I
• 34:17
  did a whole Yeah.
• 34:20
  I did a whole podcast, out in, The Woodlands, and we talked about Mount Rushmore's of, of
• 34:27
  wrestling.
• 34:27
  And then those are the four I had.
• 34:31
  I think there's a clip of it on my Instagram talking about it, and it's like a like a like a
• 34:36
  fifteen second clip that said the reason why I picked Roman Reigns is that he went from being
• 34:42
  the most hated force fed guy in the in the company to now one of the most iconic wrestlers
• 34:48
  right now in in wrestling.
• 34:50
  Yeah.
• 34:50
  And, like, even crazier as he went from being, like, extremely hated to extremely loved to,
• 34:56
  like, kind of in the middle to being the one of the most hated wrestlers of our generation
• 35:01
  because he's that good at his character.
• 35:03
  Yeah.
• 35:06
  So those those are those are the things that we might not rush for.
• 35:11
  Yeah.
• 35:11
  And, I mean, great choices.
• 35:12
  They are all, like, people that, like, I can literally name matches I've seen any of them in
• 35:16
  without thinking too hard.
• 35:19
  So Yeah.
• 35:20
  What's your favorite match you've watched then, I guess?
• 35:23
  I mean, doesn't have to be anything big.
• 35:25
  It could be some couple of your friends even.
• 35:27
  You know?
• 35:27
  What's the one that, like, you saw these guys and it just kinda you love it.
• 35:32
  You love that match.
• 35:36
  It's actually my match I will show to, like, new fans that wanna get into the sport.
• 35:41
  It's, Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, WrestleMania twenty five.
• 35:45
  Oh, one of the greatest matches to ever exist.
• 35:49
  I don't care what anybody says.
• 35:51
  And there's a bonus for that.
• 35:52
  I actually was there live that match.
• 35:55
  You were?
• 35:56
  I was at WrestleMania twenty five.
• 35:58
  That is awesome.
• 36:00
  You are so lucky to be able to see that one live.
• 36:03
  I mean, that one literally, I think it's been, like, two or three.
• 36:07
  It was in two WWE two k showcases because they had the Shawn Michaels two k showcase and the
• 36:11
  Undertaker one.
• 36:12
  They doubled down on that match.
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:15
  So there's there's a reason why I picked that one.
• 36:18
  Yeah.
• 36:18
  Definitely see why.
• 36:19
  It's one of the most iconic ever, and you got to see it.
• 36:23
  Yeah.
• 36:23
  So that one has a special place in my heart.
• 36:26
  So what's, like, your big goal?
• 36:28
  Where do you wanna end up with wrestling?
• 36:30
  You know?
• 36:31
  So
• 36:33
  that is actually a really good question because, obviously, the biggest one is WWE.
• 36:39
  Right?
• 36:39
  Yeah.
• 36:40
  But then you have WWE, AWTNA, Ring of Honor.
• 36:42
  You even have JCW on the independents being the biggest one for that.
• 36:47
  So I do have a a thing about that.
• 36:49
  So everyone's biggest dream is WWE.
• 36:52
  Right?
• 36:52
  Let's just all put it out there.
• 36:54
  But, unfortunately, we've seen how sometimes how they handle with local talent, how they
• 36:58
  handled, like, you know, indie guys.
• 37:01
  So Yeah.
• 37:02
  Sometimes having a WWE dream sometimes isn't always a reality.
• 37:08
  But there's always, you know, compromises.
• 37:12
  Again, there's AEW.
• 37:14
  There's n or TNA.
• 37:15
  There's New Japan Pro Wrestling.
• 37:17
  There's JCW.
• 37:19
  There's GCW.
• 37:20
  There's again, there's or AAA.
• 37:23
  There's CMLL.
• 37:24
  Like, there's there's a wide variety of these major promotions that people really sleep on
• 37:30
  Okay.
• 37:30
  Just because they're not WWE.
• 37:32
  So Yeah.
• 37:34
  If I end up being on AEW, if I end up being on ROH, if I end up being on Impact, if I end up
• 37:39
  being on, triple a, like, it doesn't matter.
• 37:42
  I managed to get on those promotions based on my hard work.
• 37:47
  Exactly.
• 37:48
  And, I mean, your hard work is showing every time I see you in the ring, and that I feel
• 37:52
  like it's a very important thing.
• 37:55
  And, I mean, if you make it to any of those promotions, I'll still be watching.
• 38:00
  I'll be watching live this time, though, because it'll be on TV.
• 38:04
  I appreciate that.
• 38:05
  And it's just, like, it's just tough because right now, I'm sub right now, I'm under I just
• 38:12
  got injured, so I'm trying to get back into it.
• 38:14
  So Oh, what happened there?
• 38:16
  I didn't know about that.
• 38:18
  So, I suffered a a eye injury after, Saturday.
• 38:22
  Oh, yeah.
• 38:23
  That's right.
• 38:23
  You told me you had injury, but you never told me what it was.
• 38:26
  It was your eye?
• 38:27
  It was my eye and my nose, but my nose is already, you know, almost done healing.
• 38:32
  The eye is, like, still on its, like, road to recovery.
• 38:36
  Is it, like, side issues it's causing?
• 38:38
  Or
• 38:39
  It's, side issues.
• 38:41
  Oh, man.
• 38:41
  Yeah.
• 38:42
  That sucks.
• 38:42
  That definitely inhibits your ability to be in the ring for a bit.
• 38:47
  So that's kinda why right now I'm under, you know, under recovery until then.
• 38:52
  So, like, I haven't been, you know, straining myself.
• 38:55
  I only just go to work and go home.
• 38:57
  That's it.
• 38:59
  Yeah.
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  I mean, I guess, if that's all you can do I mean, I hope you can get back to it soon, and
• 39:05
  I'm because I'm I've been excited to see more than what I've seen, and I keep wanting to
• 39:10
  watch more.
• 39:12
  But
• 39:12
  Just know that Yeah.
• 39:14
  The only way I'll stop wrestling is that if either my back gives out or my legs give out.
• 39:20
  And I still got That's
• 39:22
  another ten more years at best.
• 39:26
  Well, ten more years?
• 39:28
  I mean, heck, sometimes it only takes people five years to make it, and you're already three
• 39:32
  in.
• 39:32
  Right?
• 39:34
  I'm actually a year and five months in now.
• 39:37
  So that's when you actually started wrestling was, like, a year and five months ago?
• 39:42
  Yeah.
• 39:43
  I would say so because, my official training started March.
• 39:49
  Oh, wow.
• 39:49
  So you you're still relatively new to the game.
• 39:53
  And, I mean, starting out a little older than normal, how does that feel then?
• 39:59
  It's, it's a it's a it's a it's a big of a it's a bit of a caveat because there are people out
• 40:05
  there that started at the age of 15, and, you know, they have been at it ever since.
• 40:10
  So being at me at my advanced age, I have to, like, not, like, not rush, but I have to pick
• 40:17
  up the pace
• 40:18
  Yeah.
• 40:19
  In order to And that makes yeah.
• 40:21
  Obviously.
• 40:21
  I mean, being I mean, you're, what, 30 years old?
• 40:26
  Yeah.
• 40:26
  30 years old now.
• 40:27
  You got a bunch of 18 to 20 year olds there.
• 40:30
  I mean, you know, young guys fresh out of high school.
• 40:32
  A lot of them were in wrestling, football, basketball.
• 40:34
  They're definitely more conditioned right off rip when they start.
• 40:38
  You know?
• 40:40
  And it's crazy because, I have a lot of people on my comments on my videos.
• 40:44
  They're telling me, I don't know if I can do it.
• 40:46
  I can't do it.
• 40:47
  I'm 22.
• 40:47
  I'm 18.
• 40:48
  I'm I I it's too late for me.
• 40:50
  And I'm sitting here thinking, bro, I'm I'm I started at 29.
• 40:54
  So, like, if I can do it, I'm sure you
• 40:59
  Like, you just said that, and I'm like, I'm 22 with back issues and knee problems looking at
• 41:03
  going to a training facility.
• 41:05
  What are they talking about?
• 41:07
  So I'm saying, like, it's never too late to start unless you're in your fifties, and and I
• 41:11
  don't know what I don't know what to tell you there.
• 41:12
  But but
• 41:13
  Yeah.
• 41:13
  I mean, once you're, like, that old, probably not.
• 41:17
  Yeah.
• 41:18
  I mean, mean, there's even, like, 45 year old guys that still go out, and I mean, they only
• 41:22
  do two, three matches, but they go try.
• 41:24
  So I hate to say I can't do what I want to because, yes, you can do it.
• 41:29
  It's just you're pushing yourself back farther by limiting.
• 41:35
  That's what
• 41:36
  a lot of these young guys that wanna do it do.
• 41:38
  They limit themselves too much, I feel like.
• 41:41
  So that's kinda why whenever I get a comment saying, oh, I don't know if I can do this.
• 41:46
  I don't know if I can you know, if I if I'm not athletic enough, if I'm too big or, I'm too
• 41:53
  old.
• 41:53
  Like, bro, like and they're telling me their ages, which is crazy.
• 41:57
  I've heard someone tell me that they're 19 and it's too late.
• 42:01
  I'm sitting here like No.
• 42:03
  They only think it's too late because there's these guys on the independence from, like,
• 42:06
  Mexico, Canada, every Europe that I've been training since they were 10.
• 42:10
  It's not too late.
• 42:12
  It's actually average time to start trading in America is between 15 and 20 years old.
• 42:19
  Yeah.
• 42:19
  So and I tell them, bro, like, I'm I'm or at the time, I was 29, and I'm around two ninety,
• 42:25
  three hundred pounds.
• 42:26
  So if I can do it, someone who's, like, you know, obese as they say, so they can do it.
• 42:33
  Yeah.
• 42:33
  I mean, when I was 15 years old, I was morbidly obese, four hundred sixty seven point eight
• 42:37
  pounds, and I was doing backyard wrestling in my backyard with my friends putting that stuff
• 42:41
  up on YouTube, sitting there hitting moves, getting power bombed, you know, everything.
• 42:46
  Yeah.
• 42:47
  So, like, if so that's that should be a clear indication.
• 42:50
  Like, if if we can do it, then you assure she can do it and find your training, and
• 42:55
  eventually, you know, you'll be up there in the ring.
• 42:58
  Exactly.
• 42:58
  And, like, that's the big thing is, like, people just don't go to find their training
• 43:02
  because they they put these, like, limits because they don't look like the big league
• 43:07
  guys, and that's sad to me.
• 43:09
  You know?
• 43:09
  And I I have a I have a video on my Instagram that says, I'm not a WWE wrestler, so you can
• 43:14
  keep scrolling.
• 43:15
  So, I mean, that's how I bro, I'm not a w I'm not a WWE guy, but, I mean, I'm here doing it
• 43:21
  still.
• 43:22
  So if you if I can do it, you can do it too.
• 43:25
  Exactly.
• 43:26
  And it's like that's why I'm like, I'm not a headliner, but you can keep scrolling.
• 43:29
  Like, I've had that on my TikTok for a while now.
• 43:31
  You know?
• 43:32
  Yeah.
• 43:33
  And then I deleted it last month, obviously.
• 43:35
  So I guess I had it there for a while.
• 43:36
  I deleted it last month because I became a headliner, technically.
• 43:40
  Yeah.
• 43:41
  Yeah.
• 43:42
  I get what you mean with all that.
• 43:43
  But, I guess we are actually a little we're running out of time here.
• 43:47
  Is there anything you wanna tell everybody before I end it here?
• 43:52
  So I would just say, and I'll say it again on here.
• 43:55
  If you have thoughts about becoming a professional wrestler, get your training, find
• 44:01
  a school, and stick to it.
• 44:03
  And don't let don't let these other people scare you to say it's a tough job.
• 44:07
  It is a tough job.
• 44:07
  Don't get me wrong.
• 44:08
  I mean, I'm suffering an injury right now.
• 44:10
  So it's a tough gig.
• 44:11
  But if you love it and if you have passion for it, then go for it.
• 44:14
  Don't let don't let anyone tell you, including your parents, that you can't do it.
• 44:20
  If you have the passion, if you have the drive for it, go for it.
• 44:25
  Because I can't stress enough that I've had people tell me, and these are people that I've
• 44:29
  known for for years.
• 44:30
  Tell me that I can't do this, that it's too late for me.
• 44:34
  No.
• 44:34
  It's not.
• 44:35
  You're just saying that because it's too late for you.
• 44:38
  Exactly.
• 44:39
  It's not too late.
• 44:39
  It's too it's not too late for me.
• 44:41
  I got plenty of time and plenty of gas up in the tank.
• 44:43
  I could still do this.
• 44:46
  And you are doing it, and you're doing it very well.
• 44:49
  And I'm glad that I have gotten to interview you today, and I'm glad that I get to see how
• 44:53
  your journey is going from here on out because I will be watching closely.
• 44:59
  Much much appreciated.
• 45:01
  Well, thank you for coming on.
• 45:03
  I appreciate this a lot.
• 45:05
  Have a great night, man.
• 45:07
  You too.