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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 11-9-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: I am a Utahmancer and I live across the green.
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  Speaker 2: Our gang, it is the jolliest that you.
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  Speaker 1: Have ever seen. Our co-eds are the fairest, and each
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  Speaker 1: one's a shining star. You hear our cries are ringing
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  Speaker 1: from the mountains near and far. Who am I, sir?
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  Speaker 1: Utah man, am I? A Utah man, sir, will be
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  Speaker 1: till I die. How about that game, ladies and gentlemen?
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  Speaker 3: Wow!
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  Speaker 2: Utah Utes still undefeated, victorious over.
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  Speaker 4: The mighty Cougars in a Holy war game over the weekend,
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  Speaker 4: 10 AM kickoff.
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  Speaker 2: No problem for the must. No problem for rice. Echo stadium.
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  Speaker 4: No problem for Morgan Scali and his crew off to.
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  Speaker 2: A red hot start in the game.
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  Speaker 4: A little bogged down, a little scary mid middle eight.
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  Speaker 2: And then.
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  Speaker 4: Unbelievable performance down the stretch for this Utah football team.
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  Speaker 4: and victorious 28, 20 over BYU to remain unblemished and
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  Speaker 4: presumably push their ranking already in the AP. I think
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  Speaker 4: the same in the college football playoff up at least
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  Speaker 4: one spot higher to number two, four turnovers, four interceptions,
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  Speaker 4: including two that proved to be the difference in the game.
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  Speaker 4: I put the highlights out. I did the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: I watched the whole game again yesterday. My poor wife
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  Speaker 4: woke up yesterday and Utah BYU was on the television again.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm pausing and rewinding and zooming and pausing and
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  Speaker 4: rewinding and telling my seven-year-old, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, watch this.
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  Speaker 4: Watch what number one does to this corner. Take your
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  Speaker 4: eye off the ball. Don't pay attention to the touchdown
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  Speaker 4: pass going in to the northeast corner in that north
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  Speaker 4: end zone. I want you to watch what number one
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  Speaker 4: does here to this corner who dares enter the backfield.
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  Speaker 4: Sit down, says Way Sean Parker. Trey Reynolds, you are...
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  Speaker 4: an absolute hero of the rivalry. Remember last week when
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  Speaker 4: I said, all right, prognosticate for me, guess who is
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  Speaker 4: going to be a player, a breakout star, somebody who
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  Speaker 4: cements their legacy at Utah football becomes part of the
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  Speaker 4: lore and the history. And it's talked about the same
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  Speaker 4: way we mentioned Achilles and the same way we talk
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  Speaker 4: about Hercules, the legendary figures. And Trey Reynolds put his
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  Speaker 4: name there. And Nate Ritchie put his name there. And
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  Speaker 4: Devin Dampier undeniably cements his name and his legacy at
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  Speaker 4: the University of Utah with still, by the way, an
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  Speaker 4: incredible opportunity to keep it pushing and enter the chat
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  Speaker 4: for greatest football seasons in the history of this Utah program.
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  Speaker 5: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me what you loved.
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  Speaker 4: If you could find something that you hated, let me
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  Speaker 4: know what that is as well. You know what? I,
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  Speaker 4: I watched it again. I want to hear it again.
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  Speaker 4: James Peterson cut up the highlights. Bill Riley did another
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  Speaker 4: great job on the call. I know that you're probably
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  Speaker 4: still buzzing. If you're at work right now, you're probably
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  Speaker 4: collecting on a lunch bet potentially from a BYU fan.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe your neighbor was talking a little trash. Now is
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  Speaker 4: the time to bask. Now is the time to revel.
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  Speaker 4: Now is the time to glory in it. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to play some highlights as this show progresses. But I
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  Speaker 4: want to hear from you as well.
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700 or at RealOCSports on Twitter. What did you love?
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  Speaker 2: What did you hate? If you could find something to hate,
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you something.
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  Speaker 4: The intensity of the rivalry on the field, just as
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  Speaker 4: vigorous and venom filled as anyone could expect. I think
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  Speaker 4: that the temperature away from the field cooling off a
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  Speaker 4: little bit because of the way that Morgan talks and
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  Speaker 4: the way that Kalani talks, I think that's, that's something
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  Speaker 4: we can, we can feel okay about.
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  Speaker 2: We can feel good about.
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  Speaker 4: I was already kind of fine with the way things are,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, I think it's more enjoyable for people
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  Speaker 4: to come to rice cycle stadium. If they don't feel
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  Speaker 4: like they're going to get stuff poured on them. I
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  Speaker 4: know they weren't really getting stuff poured on them, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, the stories. It was just, what a game.
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  Speaker 4: What an unbelievable game. 877-353-0700 at Real OC Sports.
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  Speaker 2: And I got to do this, all right?
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to forget to do this because I'm
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  Speaker 4: getting wrapped up in the excitement of what that game
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  Speaker 4: was and what it represents and what it is. This
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  Speaker 4: is an important thing for me to do. I must,
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  Speaker 4: on behalf of all of the doubters... And even the
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  Speaker 4: people that went beyond doubters or questioners and got into
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  Speaker 4: the realm of haters. I must offer a sincere and
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  Speaker 4: heartfelt apology to the decision makers, the leadership, the boosters
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  Speaker 4: behind the scenes that influence things one way or another,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes silently, sometimes not so silently. Most importantly, I think
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  Speaker 4: an apology to Mark Harlan for questioning the method and the,
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  Speaker 4: and not just questioning and criticizing the way that the
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  Speaker 4: succession plan was handled, that the exit of Kyle Whittingham,
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  Speaker 4: that the offer like, Hey, yeah, you can come, you
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  Speaker 4: can come back if you want, but Morgan's going to
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  Speaker 4: have decision-making power, right? There was obviously information available within
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  Speaker 4: the program that some of us were reluctant to accept.
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  Speaker 4: I put myself, I'm raising my hand. I am giving
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  Speaker 4: the mea culpa here. Because what we see now that
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  Speaker 4: the leaders that had to make that hard decision, and
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  Speaker 4: it was never going to be easy, the only person
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  Speaker 4: who could make it easy decided not to. The only
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  Speaker 4: person that could have made that transition smooth decided, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, I'm not going to do that. Kyle Whittingham is...
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  Speaker 4: collecting on that tax right now, or that tax is
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  Speaker 4: being collected from him. I should say right now at Michigan,
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  Speaker 4: but regardless of how that thing was working out, what
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  Speaker 4: is going on at the university right now is a
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  Speaker 4: culmination of a vision that not all of us shared
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  Speaker 4: quite so readily. I know there are some of you
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  Speaker 4: out there who were like, yes, push him out the door,
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  Speaker 4: do whatever you have to do.
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  Speaker 2: I was not among you. I mean, you listened to
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  Speaker 2: the show. I hope.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, you can't, You can't force it with
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  Speaker 4: a guy who's been there for 21 years and has
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  Speaker 4: taken you to your highest heights and has laid this foundation.
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  Speaker 4: And oh my gosh, one of the hardest things to
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  Speaker 4: do is to recognize when something is done, something is over,
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  Speaker 4: that it's time to turn the page and time to
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  Speaker 4: move on. That is devastatingly hard. And Mark Harlan and
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  Speaker 4: President Randall and whatever... board of trustees and donors and
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  Speaker 4: folks that were like, hey, look, we acknowledge and love
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  Speaker 4: and accept that what Kyle did for so long was great,
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  Speaker 4: but it is time to turn this page. It is
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  Speaker 4: time to offer this wunderkind, this heir apparent, his place
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  Speaker 4: in the sun. I am sorry for being wrong. I
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  Speaker 4: am sorry for doubting whether or not now was the time.
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  Speaker 4: Because it very, very clearly is. And that doubt was
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  Speaker 4: never based in any doubt about what Morgan could do
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  Speaker 4: or what kind of coach Morgan was going to be
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  Speaker 4: able to be. But I thought it was going to
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  Speaker 4: be a three-year process. I thought we'd be having the
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  Speaker 4: conversations we're having now in 2028 or 2029, not in 2026,
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  Speaker 4: not in his first year as a head coach. And
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  Speaker 4: credit to those who said, you know what? Now is
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  Speaker 4: the time. We have to do it now. Because the
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  Speaker 4: results speak for themselves. Unbelievable season unfolding before us. And
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  Speaker 4: guess what, guys? I know you don't want to hear
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  Speaker 4: me say this. If Utah doesn't win another game this year.
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  Speaker 2: This is a massively.
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  Speaker 4: Massively successful season for Morgan Scali and his debut as
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  Speaker 4: the head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Massively, enormously successful.
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  Speaker 4: Because the conversation that you have put Utah back in
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  Speaker 4: is the same one you were in when Urban Meyer
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  Speaker 4: was here. When Kyle Whittingham coached you to an undefeated
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  Speaker 4: Sugar Bowl season. when utah was flirting with the playoff
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  Speaker 4: in 2018 when utah won the conference championship in back-to-back
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  Speaker 4: years you have put this utah football team back in
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  Speaker 4: that same conversation you almost got back into it last
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  Speaker 4: year but you are back in it this year And
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  Speaker 4: by all means, finish out the conversation. By all means,
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  Speaker 4: finish out the season. By all means, go to the
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  Speaker 4: desert this weekend and whoop that ass on the University
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  Speaker 4: of Arizona. But just this year. I'm happy with it.
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  Speaker 4: They they're not satisfied. They're not ready to call it
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  Speaker 4: a day. They're not done.
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  Speaker 2: Morgan, his thought process turned forward immediately on the field,
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  Speaker 2: field storming students around him, chanting his name. And he's
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  Speaker 2: talking to Taylor McGregor, the sideline reporter. And he's saying,
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  Speaker 2: this is a big win. It is not the big win.
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  Speaker 2: We've got work left to do, but I'm so proud
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  Speaker 2: of my guys. He got emotional in the post game
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  Speaker 2: press conference.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about the contributions of Trey Reynolds and Nate Ritchie
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  Speaker 4: guys who in the modern era of college football had
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  Speaker 4: every reason to leave. At some point, he recalled a
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  Speaker 4: story about when Nate Ritchie was a young, young freshman
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  Speaker 4: and he screwed it up. And Morgan, the defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 4: got all up in his grill and was screaming at
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  Speaker 4: him about it. And he saw tears in the young
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  Speaker 4: man's eyes, and he was like, oh, man, I got
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  Speaker 4: to remind myself that this kid's supposed to be in
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  Speaker 4: high school still because he was an early enrollee before
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  Speaker 4: mission kind of a thing. And look where Nate Ritchie
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  Speaker 4: is at now, game-sealing interception on a potential Hail Mary, which,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, if he's not there, that's another Beck
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  Speaker 4: to Harleen nightmare for Utah fans in the same end zone.
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  Speaker 2: But they were there.
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  Speaker 4: I put the highlight out on my Twitter account, at
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  Speaker 4: RealOC Sports. Trey Reynolds on the interception in the series
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  Speaker 4: previous to that one, down on the goal line. Do
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  Speaker 4: we have this highlight by itself, James? James Peterson behind
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  Speaker 4: the glass as usual. He was producing the game on
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  Speaker 4: Saturday as well, bringing you all that glory and greatness
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  Speaker 4: on radio.
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  Speaker 2: Play the highlight of Trey Reynolds.
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  Speaker 4: This is where you put yourself in immortality relative to
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  Speaker 4: this rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: This play for Trey Reynolds.
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  Speaker 6: Third and goal at the three-yard line for BYU. Trailing
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  Speaker 6: by eight. Under five to play. Bachmeier goes under center.
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  Speaker 6: It's getting loud. Brings a man in motion. Bachmeier looking
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  Speaker 6: to throw.
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  Speaker 2: End zone. Intercepted!
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  Speaker 3: Trey Reynolds!
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  Speaker 7: Reynolds to the 10, Reynolds to the 13. It's the
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  Speaker 7: third pick of the day by Bud Meyer. Trey Reynolds
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  Speaker 7: comes up huge for the Utah defense.
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  Speaker 6: Second interception on the season for Trey Reynolds, and it
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  Speaker 6: could not have come at a bigger or better time.
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  Speaker 6: He had Casper wide open in the back of the
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  Speaker 6: end zone. If Reynolds doesn't come up with it, it's
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  Speaker 6: a touchdown for the Cougars. But instead, it's Utah football.
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  Speaker 4: That play, go watch the highlight, go watch it on
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  Speaker 4: every low C sports. It is one of the best
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  Speaker 4: individual plays we have ever seen in this rivalry game,
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  Speaker 4: because like bill said on the call there, Casper is
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  Speaker 4: in the end zone and he is open. There's nobody
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  Speaker 4: within 10 yards of him. There was a miscommunication or
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  Speaker 4: a missed assignment or whatever. Elijah Reed stops, doesn't follow.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's ready to play the flat. I believe
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  Speaker 4: the play action was going to Sione Moa, who was
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  Speaker 4: out in the flat. Reed is frozen. Kasper is by himself.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he thought he had safety help inside.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And Trey Reynolds, if he does not get vertical, intercept
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  Speaker 4: that ball, that is a touchdown. Now they still would
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  Speaker 4: have had to get the two-point conversion to tie it up.
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  Speaker 4: So it's maybe not like a direct game winning or
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  Speaker 4: game tying touchdown, but it's one that changes everything in
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  Speaker 4: that contest. And there's still a little bit of time
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  Speaker 4: left on the clock. So who knows how it plays out?
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  Speaker 4: If BYU is able to seize momentum right there, but
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  Speaker 4: Trey Reynolds, he, he follows the discipline of his eyes,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, is absolutely unbelievable. And the discipline of
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  Speaker 4: his feet on that play, watch it. Because it's play
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  Speaker 4: action for BYU, right? So he flows to his left.
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  Speaker 4: Trey Reynolds flows to his left. And he comes downhill,
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  Speaker 4: but just a teeny bit. He doesn't come downhill far
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  Speaker 4: enough to get washed into the line of scrimmage to
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  Speaker 4: let the right guard, the BYU right guard, get his
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  Speaker 4: hands on him.
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  Speaker 2: If that happens, guess what he can't do?
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  Speaker 4: He can't reset his feet, get up in the air,
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  Speaker 4: and intercept that pass. Maybe he can knock it down,
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  Speaker 4: but it's unlikely, right? So he follows the play action motion.
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  Speaker 4: If bear would have pitched it out there, if bear
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  Speaker 4: would have kept it himself, Trey Reynolds, his feet would
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  Speaker 4: have had him in the right place to potentially make
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  Speaker 4: a play.
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  Speaker 2: But his eyes told him, nope, bear is pulling up.
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  Speaker 4: He resets his feet like steps backwards. So back toward
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  Speaker 4: the end zone. And then he gets vertical without any
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  Speaker 4: kind of gather. He hops backwards and hops up. I
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  Speaker 4: want you to get up at your desk right now
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  Speaker 4: at work, okay? I want you to do this for me.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to, you don't even have to be running.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to take three forward steps, and then
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  Speaker 4: I want you, immediately, you can't gather yourself, don't try
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  Speaker 4: to balance, take three forward steps, then.
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  Speaker 2: Hop backwards, then hop straight up in the air as
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  Speaker 2: high as you can. You can't do it because you're
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  Speaker 2: not an elite athlete like Trey Reynolds is. It's not easy.
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  Speaker 2: It's so hard. And by the way, you have to
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  Speaker 2: be reading. You're not following instructions in Trey Reynolds' case.
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  Speaker 4: You're doing it reacting to the eyes and the arm
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  Speaker 4: and the throwing motion of Bear Bachmeier. And thank goodness
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  Speaker 4: Bear has a low release point. And thank goodness Bear
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  Speaker 4: was off his game because if he lofts that up over,
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  Speaker 4: who knows how it looks. But instead, it's one of
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  Speaker 4: the best individual plays in the history of the Holy War.
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  Speaker 2: And Trey Reynolds... I asked you, hey, who's.
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  Speaker 4: The guy that puts himself there, etches his name on
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  Speaker 4: the wall forever? Trey Reynolds is absolutely, maybe there was
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  Speaker 4: three of them, maybe there was four, but Trey's one
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  Speaker 4: of them because of that play right there. That is
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  Speaker 4: Beck to Harleen. That is Colley's still open. That is
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  Speaker 4: Andrew George's still running. That is Brandon Burton blocks the kick.
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  Speaker 4: That is Trey Reynolds seals the game with an interception.
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  Speaker 3: Whoo!
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  Speaker 8: Glorious.
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  Speaker 2: So just.
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  Speaker 9: A couple of notes on this. That was still early
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  Speaker 9: fourth quarter. It seemed like it was really late. That
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  Speaker 9: was looking at the play-by-play. Not early, sorry. The drive
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  Speaker 9: started early fourth quarter. It was five minutes left. There's
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  Speaker 9: about five minutes left. Sorry, I'm looking at the start
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  Speaker 9: of the drive on the play-by-play. It was starting to
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  Speaker 9: be late fourth quarter, so there was still plenty of
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  Speaker 9: time for things to change at that point, but it's...
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  Speaker 9: They didn't because Utah had a nice four-minute offense. They
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  Speaker 9: didn't quite take it all the way down, but then
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  Speaker 9: Nate Ritchie seals it with under a minute left. But yeah,
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  Speaker 9: the other thing, another note here, Sly is hilarious at
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  Speaker 9: how much he loves Trey Reynolds. It's not hilarious that
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  Speaker 9: he loves him a lot because Trey Reynolds is a stud.
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  Speaker 9: It's funny because Sly loves the No. 10 because he
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  Speaker 9: was No. 10 at Utah, right? And he loves that
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  Speaker 9: Trey Reynolds is a linebacker wearing No. 10 and making
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  Speaker 9: big plays. And he calls this the play of the
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  Speaker 9: century over and over again. At the time that it happened,
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  Speaker 9: throughout the postgame, he and Bill and Zach interviewed Trey
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  Speaker 9: in the postgame, and Bill joked, hey, he wouldn't be
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  Speaker 9: calling it the play of the century if he weren't
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  Speaker 9: number 10. But, I mean, it was an incredible play,
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  Speaker 9: and like you said, it's one of the plays of
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  Speaker 9: Of the Holy war. When you think about this, I
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  Speaker 9: think the other guy that etched their name in and
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  Speaker 9: you and I both said, this guy probably has to
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  Speaker 9: for Utah to win Devin Dampier, all four touchdowns. He
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  Speaker 9: had a hand in, he didn't have one play. That's
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  Speaker 9: as big as Trey Reynolds interception, but just throughout the game,
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  Speaker 9: he etched his name in Holy war history.
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  Speaker 2: I think. So here's the thing with Devin Dampier.
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  Speaker 4: Devin deserves to be in New York city for a
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  Speaker 4: Heisman trophy presentation. If he continues to play this way.
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  Speaker 4: Now I don't suffer any delusions. CJ car.
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  Speaker 2: If he keeps winning is going to win it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Um, Jeremiah Smith is probably out of the conversation because
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  Speaker 4: Ohio state lost to Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're bad right now. But anyway, Darian Mensah's hurt.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So he, he won't win because statistically, when you look
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  Speaker 4: at Devin damp here, the stats aren't like knock you
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  Speaker 4: on your back.
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  Speaker 2: They're not blow you out of the water.
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  Speaker 4: But if you actually watch this guy play and you
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  Speaker 4: see that he has a hand in every touchdown and
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  Speaker 4: you see like the catch that he had on what
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  Speaker 4: I thought was actually a really questionable play call on
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  Speaker 4: fourth and one and probably called it probably a terrible
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  Speaker 4: play call, probably a terrible throw by Creed Whittemore, like
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  Speaker 4: terrible decision to throw it by Creed.
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  Speaker 9: I've got some context there too, if you want it,
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  Speaker 9: but keep going.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that Devin damn peer is a guy
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  Speaker 4: who goes up and makes that kind of a catch, right?
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  Speaker 4: He is just that important to this team. And, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: maybe the Heisman trophy isn't the correct decoration for that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: But if there's An MVP of the league and MVP
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: of all of college football. Not you're the best individual performer,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: but you're the MVP. You're the guy that without you,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: your team can't do this, but with you, they can.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: That is Devin damp here more than probably anybody else
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: in all of college football. And that's with respect to
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: how good I think bird Ficklin is. Although we've seen
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: less and less of him, And maybe we'll get some
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: answers as to why that is. But I think the
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: real reason as to why that is, is because you
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: just cannot afford to in these tight games, you cannot
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: afford to take even one or two snaps away from Devin,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Dan peers, dynamic abilities.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it is.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a commentary about what bird is
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: not doing. I think it's a commentary about if I
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: am Kevin McGiven, I'm looking at it and I'm saying, wow,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: these guys are both incredibly talented. If I have to
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: live or die in a close rivalry game by any
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: person on this team, it is going to be number
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: four always because he just comes through. If he makes
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: a mistake, he comes through on the next drive. If
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: he makes a mistake, he comes through on the sideline
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: before he even goes out there for the next drive.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: He is just that dude.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: It's the ultimate it factor that you saw from Cam
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Rising before Cam Rising got hurt.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: It went away after the whole scandal, but you saw
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: it from cam rising before the injury saga. You saw
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: it from Brian Johnson. When he was a senior, you
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: saw it from Alex Smith, although a little bit different
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: because he's like the strong silent type, hardly ever said
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: a word, but just went out and killed it. There's just,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: there's been guys on the great Utah football teams where
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: you're just like, yeah, I know he's going to go
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: make a play. There's been guys on the defensive side
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Right? Devin Lloyd. You just knew, oh my gosh, I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: can't believe the offense turned it over and you're on
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a short field. Now, you know, what's going to be fine.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Everything because you got a Devin Lloyd out there. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: told this story before. I very distinctly remember that Fiesta
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: bowl year air, the air force game got off to
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: kind of an ugly start and things were looking gross
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: and things were looking bad.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And I remember being like, oh, it's fine. We're going
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to get a big stop. We're going to get a
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: big turnover.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Something's going to happen because we had Morgan Scali and
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: because we had Tommy Hackenbrook and because we had Steve Fita, right?
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Devin Dampier is the ultimate representation of that for this
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Utah football team. And it is a beautiful thing. At
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: real OC sports, 877-353-0700. Let me know what you loved.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: What you didn't like.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Love the Reynolds interception that stopped their drive. Didn't love that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Way Sean Parker is not 100%.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Way Sean Parker got up limping on the first play
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: of the game.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That was... a bummer. That was unfortunate.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Now, Pete Thamel has since tweeted and he's got all
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the inside sources that it's a, it's a bruise that way.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Sean doesn't have a significant injury that it's going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: be probably a swelling and pain management type thing. And look,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you can't take your foot off the gas pedal and
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: you need way Sean against Arizona, but he, he finished
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: out the game.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Way Sean was hurting and he played those final few snaps.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I actually, that play toward the end when Utah's trying
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: to salt it away, where he gets, he gets up
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: right up in front of Utah's own sideline. And he
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: kind of like hyperextended his leg. I'm standing there next
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: to former Utah safety, Casey Evans. And I see how
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: gingerly he gets up. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: think he's done. I think he just, ruined his whole season.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: He couldn't put any weight on it. And then three
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: steps later, he was like, okay, and he's back in.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: And Casey Evans laughed at me. He's like, dude, he's fine.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: He's going back in the game. I was like, okay,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: all right. Because I don't want to see injury, knock
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: on wood, be the thing that takes any of the
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: glory out of this season for Utah football.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And Weishan battled all the way through it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Wasn't about to say, you know what, this final drive,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: this game deciding drive for us, I'm going to go
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: ahead and just hand it over to Chavez Soto or
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Daniel Bray, even though those guys are excellent, I'm not
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: going to do it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: It's this, the accountability, the, the.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Want to from this team all the way up and
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: down is absolutely incredible and credit to BYU. They're a
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: good football team who did not make the necessary plays
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: to win this one. I thought last year after watching
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: what bear Bachmeier did in those clutch situations for BYU,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, man, it is a nightmare that Utah
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: has to deal with this kid. for the next three years.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And I still believe that to be true. I think
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: he's an excellent player. He had an awful day. He
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: couldn't read the underneath coverage. He threw just unforgivable balls.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: There were two interceptions that if the guy who picks it,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't pick it, then the defender behind him would be
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the one who picked it. And there were two almost
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: interceptions that that probably should have been touchdown passes.
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: The was, were those in the first quarter OC or
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: maybe one in the first quarter, one in the second quarter,
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: but they, they talked about that on the broadcast bill
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: and slide. They talked about if, if one of those
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: gets picked, it's probably a pick six and it's probably
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: a 21, nothing game at that point or 21, seven,
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: you know, so it was missed opportunities even by Utah
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: to make it even more of a, a margin of
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: victory there. Obviously you got the fumbles in the second
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: quarter that contributed that to that kept BYU alive and
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: help them take the lead. I mean, it was just
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: an incredible game, but it could have even been a,
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: even more of a decisive victory for Utah. If some,
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: if some of those things happen as far as the
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: almost interceptions and some of those things don't happen as
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: far as the fumbles.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: It is November 9th in the year of our Lord, 2026.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Your Utah football team is undefeated with three regular season
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: games to go unblemished, unbeaten with a new head coach
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: with a first year offensive coordinator and a first year
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator with a brand new offensive line. What you
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: are seeing is one of the best coaching jobs ever
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: in college football, certainly ever in this state. What you're
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: seeing is one of the best examples of teammates and
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: culture rallying together and creating a different environment than any
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: of us could have expected or hoped for in our wildest,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: most optimistic crimson fog dreams. This is a special season
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: developing before us with special individuals fomenting all of it,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: pushing it all along.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I still don't expect it to be fully perfect.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I still expect to have to come on one of
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: these days and say, oh, that was a painful thing
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: to watch.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But you know what?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: We've had some painful things to watch and still seen
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: this team come away with wins.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And you are playing with a stack of house.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Money right now, in my opinion, because you got over
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the hump on BYU. You get that monkey off your back.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: You've got 50 plus big time recruits in the stadium.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: You have a perfect environment on a perfect fall Saturday
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: showing that your guys are going to come through.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: They're going to fight.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: They're going to do what needs to be done to
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: get this type of victory. It is just chef's kiss.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: Perfect.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: To be a Utah fan right now.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: And I know that all of you in the office
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: world are cashing in on it even more than I do.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Everyone in this building, I walk into this building, everyone
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: is just like, that's awesome that Utah won. Most of
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: you are in a place right now where you went
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: to church yesterday and half the people there were bummed
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: out because BYU lost. You're walking into your office today
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: and hopefully you got a smug smile on your face
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: and you're like, where are we going?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: What's that lunch that you owe me going to be?
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: How many beers do you have to buy me or
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: whatever your bet was with that BYU friend fan, that
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: BYU coworker who couldn't imagine that this was even a
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: possibility back in December, everybody in Provo was doing the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: river dance jigs saying, oh my gosh, look at this.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: All their offensive line has gone. Six of their best
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: players on paper are gone. Their best recruiter is gone.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Not so fast.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Said Taylor Randall and Mark Harlan and the Eccles and
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: all the people that were like, you know what? Morgan Scali,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: this Morgan Scali guy, that's who we're going to put
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: our belief in and watch what happens.
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: Morgan, Morgan did the not so fast too with the,
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: everyone was in, I think rightfully so nervous, concerned. If
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: you're B, if you're a BYU fan or someone else
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: that just doesn't like Utah, you were happy. that Jim
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: Harding left too. And, and that they're hiring a high
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: school football coach to be the offensive line coach. That's
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: worked out really well for Utah. Jordan gross has turned
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: out to be the right guy. Kevin McGiven has turned
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: out to be the right guy at offensive coordinator.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, if we weren't talking about head coach,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, like Jordan grows is an unbelievable story. These
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: are five new starters on the offensive line. He started
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: an incredibly talented offensive but still a true freshmen for
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: three games before he got hurt. And this offensive line
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: has done an incredible job. So yes, it's, it's all
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: too good to mention at once. We, there's a lot
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: we have to talk about on the show today. Today's
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: one of those few days where I'm like, I wish
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: we had kind of like a five hour show.
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: There's a, there was the tweet, I think to one
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: of your, to what a response to one of your
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: tweets that said, we call an audible and have you
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: do a two hour show on Saturday. I guess I game.
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: I mean that, I guess I.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Could have done like the cradle thing where I just
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: got on Twitch or something and sat there and commiserated
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: with everyone, but instead we'd be celebrating.
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: We got to stay on clock as much as we can.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Temkin is going to join us.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: He's going to have thoughts about this Holy war win
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: and what it means for the big 12 conference.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Also massive news.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: If Utah is able to make the big 12 conference
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: championship game this year, it's going to be the last
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: one ever.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that much more. It's the Sean O'Connell
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: show on ESPN, 700 and 92 on FM.
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: Be tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: All right, we're rolling on a Monday. The Sean O'Connell Show.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: The Utes are still undefeated.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: They are firmly atop the standings in the Big 12 Conference.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: And Big 12 insider Ari Temkin joins us every Monday
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: to recap the wild weekend.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Did any other.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Games happen this weekend in the Big 12, Ari? We
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: were just so caught up in the red wave here
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: in Salt Lake City with Utah getting over the hump
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: against BYU.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I'm great, yeah. I mean, there were a lot of
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: incredible games, actually, with crazy finishes. Devin Dampier was not
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the only quarterback to catch a pass. but he was
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: one of the few to not catch a touchdown pass. And, yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: it was quite the week for the Utes for sure.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, for me, OC, I'm curious for your thoughts,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: but referencing that catch by Dampier and the fourth-down decision
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: by Creed Whittemore, the fourth-down decision by Kevin McGiven to
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: basically put the ball in Creed Whittemore's hands with Devin
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Dampier down the field, I don't know that you can
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: think of a better metaphor for the antithesis of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham era than that play on fourth down. I
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: think we can all agree that if Kyle Whittingham were
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: the head coach of Utah, they would have run the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: ball downhill on that exact situation. But there's no better
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: example and metaphor, again, of just the difference and discrepancy between,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you know, these two programs under Morgan Scali and Kyle
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Whittingham and that decision. And, you know, look, I think
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: we've known this for weeks now, but maybe no better
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: example of the brass balls from Mark Harlan and Utah
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: to make that decision. Because, look, it was quite the gamble.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: They knew what they were doing, clearly. you know when
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: when the week ends with jason beck losing his job
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: at voc and michigan by the way on the hook
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: for 10 million on jason beck i just think it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: a great reminder of um how big of a difference
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: maker morgan scally is and and again just the the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: move by mark harland to pull the trigger there when
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: it was such a gamble especially from the outside.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah i that was something that you know you you
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: back when it happened and the transition plan, and then
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: you see the emails, right? The public information records request.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, okay, Kyle, you want to stay? Well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: this is what it's going to look like if you
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: do stay. And you put it in the context of what,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: what he did for the program. It's such a difficult
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: decision to make, to say, no, we're going to put
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: our foot down here. It's going to have to be
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: this way. And I understand why coach Witt ended up
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: doing what he did. And I understand, uh, I think
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: more fully now why they knew it was time. I mean,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and results obviously speak for themselves, but beyond just the winning,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: the tone of the program, the way the players have
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: reacted to Morgan Scali as the head coach, the way
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: the community has, the way that he has represented, I mean,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: even just in his press conferences, it's, he was very
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: clearly more ready to take over this job than even
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: those of us who were most optimistic believe that he
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: was like, he's, a first year head coach who acts
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: like he's a 10 year head coach.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and look, I mean, trying to upgrade Kyle
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Whittingham nine times out of 10, you're not going to,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you're not, you know, and obviously they've upgraded in an,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: in the immediate, but it's, it's not just the, Oh,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: they're a better team. It's more of the, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: what the offensive firepower, what we've been talking about all season,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: it's just the, the ingenious purse personnel packages and, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: just every approach on offense, you know, and the fact
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: that all of these holdovers played such a significant role
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: in the outcome of this particular game and the linebackers
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: in particular guys that had played three, four years for
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham and certainly for Morgan too, but you know
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: that the the linebacker especially in the second half of
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: that game with those three interceptions i mean how tremendous uh...
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: with that in the second half that it's it was
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: it was basically like you know long tenured linebackers that
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: have been on this program for a long time and
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: of course dampier who morgan emotionally talked after the game
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: about going post christmas to see him and and tell
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: me what i'll get my fairytale ending in Look, if
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: you're Devin Dampier, it's obvious to see that you made
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the right choice. And I'm sure he knew that from
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: day one of training camp when he saw the playbook
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: and figured out what they were going to look like
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: offensively because this is just such a far cry from
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the very conservative, downhill-running style of Kyle Whittingham. Yeah, I mean,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sure not even Mark Harland realized it would go
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: this well this quickly, but again, they knew they had
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: a much better insight into this is the right move
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: at the right time than certainly we did from the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: outside looking in. Again, if you look at all those
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: wins that he had, more times than not, when you
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: move on from a coach like that, you regret it,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and obviously this is not one of those instances.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: It's been incredible so far, and I guess the next
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: question is, can Utah keep it going? They've got a
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: tough game against a really good Arizona team. They're the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: last remaining undefeated squad in the Big 12 Conference, one
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: of the final two in all of college football. And Arizona,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: of course, has an extra day of rest. Utah coming
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: off a wildly emotional BYU win. These are the trap spots.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: They avoided the last one after Houston. Can they avoid
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: it again in the desert?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, in Arizona, they're a very good
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: football team. You know, we know about how experienced and
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: good Fafita is. The advantage I see for Utah in
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: this game is, You know, the losses for Arizona have
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: really been an issue with their ability to run the ball.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: And that's where I see Utah really being able to
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: take over this game is their ability to stop the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: run and basically force Tafita to have to be in.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And that's not to say that he can't, but in
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: the games they've lost, Tafita's put up big numbers, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the running game has just been nonexistent. And I can
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: see that being a huge part of what Utah's going
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to try to do in this game. And then the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: other side of this is Arizona's got a very good
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: front seven.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: and ill will see what the situation is a place
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: on park right now he's been hobbled for multiple weeks
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: now and so he's not the same player erica stop
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: around undefined separate seven is very good now they have
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: issues the back of their defense and they've got major
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: injuries there uh... yes so i think that could be
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: an area where you tell but to exploit them to
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: the air because we've seen obviously such a multi-faceted attack uh...
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: but look at it in terms of the big twelve
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: title picture it utah now has a little bit of
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: breathing room here. You know, they basically just need to
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: find themselves outside of that log jam of two lost teams.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: So even with one loss, I think they're still in
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: good position. Now, when it comes to the CFP and
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: it comes to multiple bits for the Big 12 and,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: you know, can Utah, should Utah be number one? You
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: obviously want to see them keep winning and keep this
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: undefeated streak alive. The Big 12 is.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Have to do that, and it's going to be very
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: difficult because they've got a tricky couple of three games
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: coming up here to close the season.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: What does this do to BYU?
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: There are still people in Provo who think an at-large
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: bid is within their grasp because you'd have to really
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: backdoor your way into the conference championship game now because
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: of that UCF loss. Do the Cougars have any kind
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: of realistic opportunity to be a playoff team still?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I think so. Playoff, okay, maybe. Obviously, getting to a
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Big 12 championship game would go a long way in that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: And so I think they're not out of it for
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the Big 12 title race because Texas Tech, they still
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: have Oklahoma State and they still have Baylor. Baylor is
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: a brand-new team. They've won two straight under Joe Klanderman.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: DJ Lagway has looked phenomenal these last two weeks. I'm
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: not sure what they've been doing differently, but it's been
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: a lot different since Dave Randy got fired, and they've
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: been a hot team. So suddenly that game for Texas
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Tech doesn't look too easy. And then, again, Oklahoma State,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: they have the best quarterback in the Big 12, arguably.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And so Tech has a few opportunities to lose here.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: And really, it's interesting because Cincinnati, in many ways, might
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: hold the key to the tiebreakers with all those two-loss
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: teams because the majority of them beat Cincinnati with the
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: exception of Texas Tech, and BYU has a chance to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: close out the year with a win over Cincinnati, which
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: again could be a tiebreaker. But those five teams are
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: now log jammed with just two losses, including the aforementioned
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Baylor Bears. So if Tech finds itself losing one of
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: its next three games, which it very well could, suddenly
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: then that opens up the door for BYU and for
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: many of the other two lost teams.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Ari Temkin, our guest here talking all things Big 12.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Utah still atop the Big 12, undefeated after a big
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Holy War victory. In the sports books now, Devin Dampier
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: is a fourth best odds. I think he's tied for
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: fourth best odds to win a Heisman trophy. I love
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: me some Devin Dampier and we loved him last year.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I still didn't think that this would be anything close
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: to a realistic conversation toward the end of the year.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: And I don't think enough people have watched all of
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Utah's games. I don't think he's statistically dominant enough that
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: he's going to be the first name out of people's mouths.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: But if you actually watch this team play, he's as
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: valuable to the Utes as any quarterback is to their team.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: And Utah is one of the last. undefeated teams in
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the country. As I keep harping on, is he going
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: In New York?
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the phrasing of the question, OC, because
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. If we were to rank the top
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: five quarterbacks of the Big 12, I'm not sure where
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Devin Dampier would be in that conversation, which is really
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: interesting because I'm not saying he's not one of the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: five best quarterbacks of the Big 12, but he might
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: not be. But he is that important to his team. Obviously,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: this game, he was absolutely tremendous. And he out-dueled Bear
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Bachmeier in so many different ways. And so, yeah, I mean,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: I think finally, to your point, OC, people have woken up.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: They look up. They see Utah still undefeated. They see
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Utah's beaten Houston and has beaten BYU and has some
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: really nice wins. And suddenly they're like, well, who's their quarterback?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: And they're looking at the numbers. And, you know, he's
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: got to be in the conversation. I mean, the Big
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: 12 did not have anybody even close to this conversation
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. So it's good at least
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: to see Dampier getting recognized that way. And, yeah, I mean, look,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: if Utah keeps winning here– then there's no reason to
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: think that he shouldn't at least be invited to New York.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, this thing is wide,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: freaking open. There's a ton of injuries. There's certainly guys
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: that were favorites at one point that haven't played as well. So,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I really believe that as much as Dan
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Pierre has sort of come from out of nowhere to
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: have those odds and be rising and shooting up those ranks,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: you know, it really is still anybody's, anybody's award to win.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of shocking as we head into, you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: week 11 of the college football season, usually it's a
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: lot more obvious than it is right now, for sure.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: I wish we could stay in the moment and I
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: wish we could talk about the games of the weekend,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: but a pretty massive announcement also came down that ESPN
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: and the college football playoff committee have finalized the agreement
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: to expand to 24. ESPN will carry all the games and,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: This deal runs through 2031 and we're talking, you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: almost $ 2 billion. This is the new era of college
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: football made official with 19 at large bids for power
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: for conference champions. And then the highest ranked group of
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: six team and the revenue distribution, 30% to the big 10,
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: 30% to the sec, 15% to the ACC and to
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the big 12 and 9%, I guess is the, is
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: the split that the group of six teams are going
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: to get out of this thing. So more of the same,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: even though there's more access numbers wise. And of course
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: the conference championship games are going away. What are your
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: thoughts on this being made official and expanded college football
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: playoff and it taking away conference championship games?
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's really interesting from the big
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: 12 perspective, because we know that your Mark was pushing
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: back on this and, because he didn't want the automatic
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: control for ESPN. He wanted there to be other outlets
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: in part of this. This was kind of his last
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: fight before I think he probably put up his hands
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: in the air and decided to leave the Big 12
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: and move on and probably voted affirmatively because of it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: My guess is he was the last holdout. He saw
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: that giving ESPN the exclusive rights over the next five years,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: and that's basically six years, was probably not the best deal,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: best move.
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: He probably was powerless.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: To stop it, quite frankly, at this point in time.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: And then again, as he now walks away, the new
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: commissioner of the Big 12 has his hands full in
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: terms of, okay, well, what do you do now from
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: a revenue standpoint in order to try to make up
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: for the loss of the Big 12 championship game? Look, everybody's...
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: in the same boat in terms of the loss of
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: that revenue. The only difference is it makes such a
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: huge significant difference for the big 12 because it's such a, a,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: a critical piece to the entire television puzzle. So, I mean,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: you gotta get creative. You gotta do things that the
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: sec and the big 10 won't do. I believe I'm
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: a proponent of maybe leaving your last few weeks open and,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and maybe pitting, you know, number one versus number four
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: and number two versus number three in the final two
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: weeks of the regular season to kind of set up,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: more of a de facto big 12 championship game in
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the final weeks of the season. I think it does
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: a really good job of trying to beef up resumes
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: for teams in the discussion at the end of the year,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: as opposed to, you know, the randomness of having random,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: you know, opponents at the end of the season that
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: may not beef up the resume. So bottom line, the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: big 12 new commissioner is going to have his hands
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: full of trying to figure out how do you make
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: up that revenue? How do you make up that tentpole event?
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Because it's far more significant for the big 12 than
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the losses for the SEC and the big 10. You know, look,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I think this means ultimately more for the SEC and
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten. It means potentially more for the ACC
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: and the Big 12. It does not mean more for
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the group of six. So, you know, I think we're
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: looking at three, four loss Big Ten and SEC teams
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: getting in in the future. I think we're potentially looking
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: at two, three loss Big 12 teams and ACC teams
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: getting in. And again, I don't think it translates to
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: more bids for the group of six. I think there
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: are some major positives of this in terms of home
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: playoff games, but ultimately, you know, college football OC used
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: to be the most unique playoff that existed in American
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: pro sports and American sports. And now it's just like
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: everybody else, right? I mean, you can lose twice, three times,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: even four games. In the NFL, we joke about how
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: many must-win games there are over the course of the season.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: It's not a must-win until you absolutely must mathematically win,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: and there really are very few of those until you
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: get to the end of the year. College football will
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: be the exact same. They used to all be must-wins.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: That's been reduced a little bit more so now and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: will be reduced even further for that. So I think
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: there's positives and negatives to it, but I am excited
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: about these home playoff games. I think they're going to
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: be some really dynamite playoff games, and I'm excited to
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: see what it looks like.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Before I let you go, what kind of person should
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: the Big 12 be looking for to replace Brett Yormark?
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: We've seen conferences go with like, you know, private capital
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: type people. The Pac-12 went with a concert entertainment guy
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: in George Klyavkov. That didn't really work out that well.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: What sort of person fits the right mold for the
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Big 12 moving forward?
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think somebody that looks a lot like Brett Yormark.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Somebody that has similar characteristics to Yormark, not necessarily in
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a literal lookalike sense, if you know what I mean.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: But I think you need an ideas guy. I think
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: you need a guy that comes in with understandable skills
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: from a marketing and a commercial perspective. I like Jordan Bazant,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: who is one of the heads of Fox Sports, the
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: executive vice president for Fox. He's a guy that worked
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: in the agency side and ran Endeavor Sports through the
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Wasserman Agency. So I like his experience in marketing and
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: commercials and the commercial side of things because I think
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: generating revenue is a huge part of what they have
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: to do and coming up with creative ideas to do it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I think you need kind of an outsider, but not
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: somebody that's totally an outsider. I understand the allure of
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Tom Pernelli and the current American Athletic Conference commissioner. I
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: just like somebody who's a little bit more outside of
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: college athletics. So, yeah, I mean, I think you just
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: need somebody that's similar to your mark, but maybe has
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a little bit more college experience coming in.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Does Utah beat Arizona Ari? Absolutely.
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: They do.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Arizona seems to lose in these spots. You know, I mean, they're,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: they're a really good team and kind of a second
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: tier team. in terms of the Big 12 right now,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: really good. I think you can easily take away their
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: run game, which makes them one-dimensional, and when they play
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: the toughest teams in their schedule, that's what they've done.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: They've had their running game taken away, made Fafita have
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: to beat them, and Fafita can not be perfect. And
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: then on the other side, I think especially with the
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: injuries at the back end of their defense, Utah's passing
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: offense can take advantage. I like Utah to win this
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: game for sure.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Ari, appreciate your time as always. Thank you, my friend.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: You're the best, OC.
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: Take care.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Have a great week, brother.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Ari Temkin. Big 12 Radio on TuneIn. Some of your reactions.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: What did you love? What did you hate about the
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Holy War?
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: 877-353-0700.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: You can also tweet at me at RealOCSports. Your reactions next.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: We've got a big show lined up. We've got the
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Morgan Scali Press Conference coming. We've got Zach Moss.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. It's ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. You're
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: listening to the.
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: 700 and 92.1 FM. All right.
• 48:04
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• 48:07
  Speaker 4: We're going tacos today, people.
• 48:10
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: I'm choosing the golden citrus chicken. You get three tacos.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I'm going carrots, cilantro, lettuce mix, and the chili lime aioli.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm pounding all three of those tacos while we
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: continue to celebrate Utah's undefeated season to this point and
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: a big victory over BYU in the Holy War game.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: 877-353-0700 if you want to weigh in on the text line.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: If you want to tweet at me at RealOCSports, always
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: love to hear from you there as well. A lot
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: of great interaction. This from Butters. Loved the second half shutout.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Hated that we gave up a 14-point lead. The first drive,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: three plays, 75 yards, touchdown. Second offensive possession, what was it,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: five plays, touchdown. As intoxicating as that is, you still
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: have to remember, this is the Holy War rivalry game.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: This is a top 10 BYU football team, and I
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: think justifiably so.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: You knew it wasn't going to stay that way. And
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: it kept things a lot more interesting. I, in my opinion,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: a close game, a hard fought game is a more
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: gratifying victory in a situation like this.
• 49:24
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: It's fun to have the blowouts and to be able
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: to talk your trash that way, but come on, you
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: can't look a gift horse in the mouth. After you
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: had a great game like that on just a unbelievable
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: blue sky day at rice Eccles stadium. Great interactions coming in.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Love this from Peace, Love, and Utes. Love the interceptions.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Love the final score. Love Way Sean in pass protection.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Love that fourth and one. That's funny because a lot
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: of people hated the fourth and one play call. Love
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: that fourth and one from this one. Love that RES
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Rice Eccles Stadium was rocking. Hated the special teams. Yeah,
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: special teams was yikes. Hated the Glasker touchdown.
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: Yikes.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: Also hates calling adults Bear, Tiger, K-Pop, and A-Rod. Well,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Bear and Tiger are their names. You don't have to
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: call them K-Pop and A-Rod. You can call them Demon
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Hunter and Yankee if you want. See what I did there?
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Codenames based on their nicknames. All right, we've got to
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: take a break here. The Morgan Scali Press Conference is next.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: All right, the Morgan Scali Press Conference. Got to be
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit sweeter after a win over BYU. Here
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: he is at the podium.
• 50:47
  Speaker 11: Both got dubs. Nice job. Got more coming up. Women
• 50:52
  Speaker 11: are home against Bethune-Cookman. And the guys got Weber State
• 50:55
  Speaker 11: home tomorrow.
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: So let's keep that going.
• 50:57
  Speaker 11: Nice showing for men's and women's swim and dive teams
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: on Friday night. Coach Marzullo's crew swept all four relay events.
• 51:06
  Speaker 11: Combined for 21 victories.
• 51:08
  Speaker 13: Man!
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: Awesome. Awesome.
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: Wishing the best to our Coach Kepler cross-country crew headed
• 51:14
  Speaker 11: to NCAA Regionals. It'll be Friday in Albuquerque, and the
• 51:19
  Speaker 11: mountain region I'm hearing is loaded with good competition, so
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: good luck. Volleyball back at home Thursday against Texas Tech.
• 51:26
  Speaker 11: I know Coach Dorico and squad are wanting to finish
• 51:29
  Speaker 11: strong this month.
• 51:31
  Speaker 12: And then November, it's just packed with a lot of
• 51:34
  Speaker 12: awesome stuff. here at the U, so go Utes. Wrapping
• 51:39
  Speaker 12: up the BYU game.
• 51:40
  Speaker 11: Incredible atmosphere, great job by our fans, particularly the Musts
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: that showed up as early as they did, getting up early,
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: getting some caffeine probably in their system, but awesome atmosphere. Offensively,
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: great start to the game, 14-0, we were rocking, uh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: some drop passes, some good defensive play by BYU is
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: what kept us from really keeping the momentum going early.
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: And then turning the ball over is obviously what allowed
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: them to, to take the momentum and, and take the lead.
• 52:17
  Speaker 12: Great job by our defense, really not letting that get out.
• 52:19
  Speaker 11: Of control, which it could have done, uh, at the
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: end of the first half, second half, the offense started
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: to click, uh, didn't have a three and out, put
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: us in scoring position. Every series had a, had a
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: missed field goal, but, um, in scoring position every series
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: except the last four-minute drive, which we're just trying to.
• 52:36
  Speaker 12: Drain the clock.
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: Devin's legs really the biggest weapon in the second half.
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: And another great performance by him making people pay. And
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: really proud of him and how he's competing defensively. Some
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: alignment issues early. Nice job running the ball by the
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: boys creating havoc. Bobo Chenault's interception was huge at the
• 53:01
  Speaker 11: end of the first half.
• 53:02
  Speaker 12: They're sitting there at 20-14 at our.
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: 20-yard line, and two plays later, Bobo gets that interception,
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: which allows us to head on a two-minute drive. We
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: don't end up doing anything with it, but really kept
• 53:15
  Speaker 11: them from scoring, which was huge. Second half is where
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: the rest of the interceptions came. Lance Holtzclaw had a
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: clutch interception. They're entering our territory on the 40-yard line,
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: and in his own pressure, he gets one.
• 53:28
  Speaker 12: Really changes the momentum.
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: Swan started to heat things up, and we were able
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: to get out of some third downs. Trey Reynolds' interception
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: at third and two at the two was obviously what
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: allowed us to go for the four-minute drive and Richie
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: to seal the game. So special teams is where we
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: need the most improvement. Did some good things in punt coverage.
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: Dylan Curtis continues to be money. kicking the ball through
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: the end zone on kickoff, but overall special teams did disappointment.
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: Had the missed field goal, which really is a snap, hold,
• 54:04
  Speaker 11: exchange issue, offsides on a kickoff unit, which cost us
• 54:08
  Speaker 11: five yards. The last punt almost gets blocked, sets them
• 54:10
  Speaker 11: up for great field position on the last drive, so
• 54:12
  Speaker 11: not clean enough on special teams at all. I think
• 54:15
  Speaker 11: Mauna's doing a really nice job of saving us hidden
• 54:17
  Speaker 11: yardage in the punt return game, fielding stuff that could.
• 54:19
  Speaker 12: Be difficult to field, but need to improve on Special teams. So, yeah,
• 54:29
  Speaker 12: we're heading to Arizona. They're 7-2.
• 54:31
  Speaker 11: Their two losses are to Texas Tech and BYU. They're
• 54:36
  Speaker 11: a very good football team. So much respect for Coach Brennan,
• 54:40
  Speaker 11: who's hilarious, by the way, if you've ever met the guy.
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: Great personality. Really good coach. I know Danny Gonzalez just
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: from doing development around about. He's a great defensive coordinator.
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: They're doing some really good things, and Noah Fafita's had
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: our number for the last two times.
• 54:57
  Speaker 12: That we've played him.
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: Our guys understand this is going to be a huge
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: battle in Tucson.
• 55:05
  Speaker 12: 19th total offense in the country, 6th in passing offense.
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: Noah Fafita's doing a great job.
• 55:11
  Speaker 12: His efficiencies, numbers are through the roof.
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: 27th in scoring defense, so they're also doing it on
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: the defensive side of the ball. They're 10th in sacks
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: and 13th in tackles for loss. This is a disruptive game.
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: defense they do a lot of stunts a lot of
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: pressure um similar to us and and they're not afraid
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: to go zero coverage and and create havoc so uh
• 55:33
  Speaker 11: really got to be good on the offensive line and
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: uh in our protection this is going to be an
• 55:38
  Speaker 11: awesome battle okay questions all right i got the justin
• 55:42
  Speaker 11: question again all right it's a two-parter great you get
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: One part.
• 55:47
  Speaker 12: We have one question.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: No one gave you two.
• 55:50
  Speaker 12: I'll let it slide for now. Great win on Saturday.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: With the win over BYU and three games to go,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: what are you doing to prepare for the CFP? Even
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: if you lost one of the three remaining games, you'll
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: still make the playoffs. And why did we not get
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: any tackles for loss this game?
• 56:05
  Speaker 12: Okay, your first one's bogus. Second one, tackles for loss?
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 12: Tackles for loss.
• 56:15
  Speaker 14: Um.
• 56:16
  Speaker 11: Probably not as aggressive in the run game stunts just
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: because of the ability of the quarterback. I think you
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: saw that in the second half. We send a six-man
• 56:29
  Speaker 11: pressure back or cross stunt, and Bear sees it and
• 56:35
  Speaker 11: splits it. And so when you do that, you kind
• 56:38
  Speaker 11: of open yourself up for big gains, and he took
• 56:40
  Speaker 11: advantage of it.
• 56:41
  Speaker 12: So we were thinking throw there, and he took advantage
• 56:46
  Speaker 12: of it.
• 56:46
  Speaker 11: We just wanted to be much more sound in our
• 56:48
  Speaker 11: base defense in terms of the run fits, and I
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: think we did a really nice job. When it comes
• 56:54
  Speaker 11: to yards per carry from running backs, I thought we
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: did a really nice job.
• 56:58
  Speaker 12: Bear got his.
• 56:59
  Speaker 11: We knew he was going to get his, but for
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: the most part, really pleased with run defense, the rush
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: defense in the game.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: You've known Noah Fafita for a long time, whether it
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: be the Pac-12, Big 12, whatever it's been. What has
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: been the biggest challenge going against Noah Fafita, and how does...
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: How does he kind of change the game for Arizona?
• 57:18
  Speaker 12: Well, he's a dual threat. He can run and throw.
• 57:21
  Speaker 12: He's very competitive.
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: And he's super smart. He's a lot like our Devin Dampier.
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: And so everyone knows how difficult it is to face Devin.
• 57:34
  Speaker 12: He's no different. Very competitive. I love the fact that.
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: He's stayed at Arizona and– been loyal to that program
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: at university and the things he's done I only respect
• 57:45
  Speaker 11: for that dude.
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: But yeah really competitive.
• 57:51
  Speaker 11: Dual threat can beat you throwing can beat you running
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: and man what more can you ask for in a.
• 57:58
  Speaker 15: Player Morgan you kind of already talked about you know
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: snapping and holding issues on field goals what are you
• 58:04
  Speaker 15: trying to do to mitigate it so that Dylan isn't
• 58:07
  Speaker 15: in those you know bad positions going forward in the
• 58:09
  Speaker 15: last few games Practice?
• 58:12
  Speaker 12: Threaten? No, we don't threaten. No, we just, it is.
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: It's a technique deal, and we've got to continue to
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: improve in that area. We're just not good enough, and
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: it's not for a lack of working, but we're very capable,
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: and we just need to be more consistent.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: Coach, on that Trey Reynolds interception, Kyler Casper, got loose
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: what happened in the coverage responsibilities there?
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: So in the red zone you're going to take chances
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: and some of those chances are going to be okay
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: we're going to be aggressive and we're going to stack
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: the the box and we're going to try and play
• 58:59
  Speaker 11: on their side of scrimmage but we're also going to
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: try and play with zone eyes so you may not
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: match up with.
• 59:05
  Speaker 12: People in man coverage but what you're hoping to.
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: Do is gain eyes to coverage in case you get
• 59:11
  Speaker 11: those RPOs. So in that scenario, RPO, we bite on
• 59:18
  Speaker 11: the run, and the zone eyes from Trey, I mean, everyone,
• 59:23
  Speaker 11: as soon as, did a great job of jumping, doesn't jump,
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: it's a touchdown. And so these are some of the
• 59:30
  Speaker 11: things that you have to weigh in the red zone
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: is when do I take a chance? When do I
• 59:36
  Speaker 11: try and play it safe? Usually playing safe, they're going
• 59:39
  Speaker 11: to score anyway. So you're taking a chance for sure.
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: Should have gained a safety in terms of his eyes
• 59:47
  Speaker 11: over to that RPO. Probably did too much of loose
• 59:50
  Speaker 11: coverage from the corner. He needed to squeeze the route
• 59:53
  Speaker 11: before letting it go. which is why it looked so
• 59:56
  Speaker 11: wide open. At that point, you're playing with zone eyes,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: looking like man, just so you can gain a little
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: bit more in the run fits.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 16: The college football playoff is expanding to 24 teams and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 16: they're eliminating conference championship games. What do you think about
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 16: the changes and do you think this will be a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 16: benefit for your program?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: I'm all about competition on the field to prove who's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 11: the best and I've always thought that more representation needs
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 11: to happen.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 12: Now, whether, you know, you focus on the Power Four.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 11: Exclusively competing against each other and then, you know, your
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 11: G4 competing against each other, you know, I just want
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: to make sure that there's much more opportunity. You get
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 11: near the end of the season, injuries happen, teams get
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 11: hot late, you know, just you– Like I said, in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: the NFL, you've got 14 teams that make the playoffs,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 11: close to a 50% representation of the NFL. And I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: get people are going to say, well, each team is good. Well,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: I think once you focus on the power four, you
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 11: can get a very good mix of parity and.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 12: Proving it on the field needs to be the main
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 12: way of doing it.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Coach, it seems like the defense is struggling to get
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: set before the ball.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 17: Snapped a couple times a game.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: Now, how do you mitigate those problems, and how do.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 17: You get the call-in sooner?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that happens everywhere in college football. I'm here to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 12: tell you. Was it more of a problem in the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 12: first half? You bet.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah. And so it's just a matter of getting the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 11: call-out sooner, and it was much cleaner in the second half,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 11: which I think we were much cleaner defensively.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 12: But definitely, yeah, that was an issue in the first half.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 12: You know, we weren't as good.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 13: I have two questions for you. I want to ask
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 13: you about the origin story of RSV.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 14: When did you come up with that?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 13: Was it something you learned from different coaches? And the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 13: second question, Wayshawn obviously is dealing with the Heel Brews.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 13: Do you expect to get maybe Steve Chavez Soto or Marcus.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 12: Bell more involved? So in terms of the.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 11: Culture piece, you know, I had listened to an hour-long podcast.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 12: Not podcast.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 11: Keynote address given by Tim Kite. He had worked with
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 11: Urban at Ohio State, you know, really. He's since passed away.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 11: But unbelievable keynote address, just filled with so much meat
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 11: about culture, about leadership. And I just listened to it
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: three or four times, took notes on everything.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 12: And this is.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: After my first year as a coordinator and had all
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: of our coaches listen to it.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 12: Study it.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 11: I said, we're going to define for our defense what
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: the behaviors are that we.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 12: Want from them.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 11: And we spent an entire week, we sat down and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 11: we put words up on the.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 12: Board and back and forth. What's the best?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 11: How do we, you know, and it's evolved a little
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 11: bit over the years, but Relentless Smart Nasty Ball Hawks
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 11: has always been since 2017 what we decided to come
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: up with. Went over it again at the beginning of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 11: this year with the entire staff to decide what we
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 11: wanted to change, and it was just unanimous that we
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 11: don't want to change anything.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 12: We want to make it team-wide.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: But, yeah, it's defining the behaviors that you feel make
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 11: elite men and football players and holding them accountable to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 11: it and giving them all the support that we can
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: give them. And then in terms of Weishan, But, yeah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 11: it happened at the very beginning of the game, and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 11: this is a guy that is tough as nails.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 12: And fought through stuff.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 11: He's going to be fine for the next game. That's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 11: not going to be an issue. But do we need
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 11: to get more backs involved? Yes. That's something I also
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 11: thought in the game that we didn't do enough of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 11: was hand the ball to the running backs.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: So we can be better there.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 17: Morgan, can you comment on just– How much Braden Pagan
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 17: has had an impact on this passing game, not only
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 17: in the red zone, but down the field and having
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 17: kind of a go-to guy for you having to go to?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: And should we expect to see more of Bird Pickling
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 12: down the line? Well, yeah.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 11: I mean, Braden has shown up, and then you have
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: all of a sudden Ricky Johnson has a game, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: all of a sudden you have Creed Whitmore has a game.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: The beauty of the depth that we have is that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 11: They can't just hone in on one guy.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: Braden had a great game.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 11: Did have a drop and a fumble too, which he's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 11: not happy about. But at the same time, he is.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 11: He's a large target. He also has unbelievable ability in
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 11: the air to go get it, to high point a football,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 11: big hands, which allows you to grip that ball.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: That's why I wasn't a great receiver. Small hands. I'm joking.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 12: I was a great receiver. No, I wasn't. They moved
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 12: me to running back and then to defense. That's why.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 12: But Braden's awesome, and we've got a bunch of them.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: Hunter Andrews has a game.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 11: It's not just Braden, but the different options that Devin
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 11: has is what makes us potent. In terms of Bird,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 11: we want to use his best traits But at the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 11: same time, we also don't want to dilute what's going
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: on with Weishan. Everyone in this offense has to sacrifice
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: something to be great as a team. And Bird understands that.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 11: And he's so valuable to us. And there's going.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 12: To be games where it's like, man, we didn't really
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 12: see Bird.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 11: And it's not because we don't value him or love him.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 12: He's awesome. It's just.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 11: The game plan takes what it takes, and sometimes that
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 11: means less for one guy or the other.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 12: You got a history. You're going to ask me to sing?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 17: I was going to go dance this time.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 12: Dance this time. I'll sing.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 13: Okay. Thank you.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: There's a history of the college game of teams having
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 17: a letdown after huge wins.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 12: We've seen it this year.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 17: Obviously, huge wins, storm the field, Devin up on top
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 17: doing all that stuff. big-time game this coming week, what
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 17: do you do to make sure that there isn't that letdown?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 11: Well, you have big games because of the way you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 11: behave leading up to it. BYU is a big game
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 11: regardless because it's a rivalry game and everyone's going to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 11: get up for that, but was it a big game
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: because we were also undefeated at that point? So, We've
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 11: dealt with that every week. To get to really big games,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 11: guess what? You've got to stay focused. You've got to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 11: focus on one game at a time. You beat Houston
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 11: and everyone says the same thing.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 12: Prime for a.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 11: Letdown versus Cincinnati after that. You have to prepare for
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 11: each game and they've got to see it from the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 11: coaches too.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: That each game means that much. And if all of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 12: a sudden the BYU game meant more than the game prior,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 12: what does that tell them?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 11: That we didn't give our all for the preparation and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 11: the game prior? Every game matters. You don't know when
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 11: someone is going to upset you, when one game matters
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 11: versus the other. Every game matters. So the way we
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 11: prepare our guys, the way we message it throughout the week,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: it's no different from week to week. And then in
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: terms of things that they're going to see that we
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: always are helping prepare them for. Guys, Pat on the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: back is not too far from a kick in the butt.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 11: And these same people that are praising you will be
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 11: the same people that say, hey, what the heck? You're
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 11: going to be mad at you, disappointed if you lose.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 11: So focus on what we can focus on. That's what
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 11: the films say. The film says we need to improve
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: on special teams. We can't turn the ball over in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 11: key situations. We've got to get better at lining up
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: quicker on the defensive side of the ball. There are
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 11: certain things that we're doing that can cost us in
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: the future, and we've got to correct those things versus
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 11: a very good Arizona team that's had our number. So
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 11: I don't think it's very difficult to get our guys
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 11: up for this one.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 12: The QB run game just keeps evolving. Nationwide we see
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 12: more and more of it.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: You tell people you're in Utah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: The quarterback was a leading rusher.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 18: For all three teams this past week.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 12: That's crazy.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: For Dan Peer, it's been two out of three weeks.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: Given how much he means to the team, how comfortable
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: are you with that versus you needed to beat these
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: ranked teams?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: Where I think we've done a good job with Devin
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 11: is limiting the hits he takes in the field of play.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: You know, when it gets down to the red zone
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 11: and you're trying to score a touchdown and you're trying
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: to get in there, you know, sometimes they're going to
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 11: sacrifice their body. But there's times where you got to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: be able to slide, brother. You got to be able
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: to dive, slide, get out of bounds. I think he's
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: doing a better job of that. But I also, you know,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: we need to be able to give more carries to the,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 11: to the running backs. And we've talked about that as
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: an offense and, That's a point of emphasis going forward.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 12: Morgan, I'm going to ask you about culture again.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 13: Just walk me through from, I guess, off-season workouts to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 13: middle of the season, how you've kind of instilled that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 13: in players. Because it's one thing to get them bought in,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 13: but also to have it throughout the season like you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 13: guys have. I'm just curious about the process of that
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 13: as the head coach.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: So culture is what you believe. It's how you behave
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 11: based on that belief.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 12: Your behavior... has to show it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: And then it's the experience that's delivered by that behavior.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 11: So if I'm asking someone to behave a certain way
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 11: in the experience, they're not winning. They're not seeing results.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 11: They're not feeling like they're improving or getting better. Don't
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 11: expect them to stay. Don't expect them.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 12: To keep doing the things that you're asking them to do.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 12: So the experience has to be awesome.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: I have to be seeing myself getting better, improving, Feeling
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 11: better about my performance, my game. And then how you
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 11: build it, it's what you practice every day. It's what
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 11: you promote. So when you see the behavior that you're
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 11: asking for, promote it. Make them feel like a million bucks, right?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 11: Why do people leave organizations? They could say, well, money. No,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 11: it's because you don't feel valued. You don't feel like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 11: what you do matters. So every day, let's promote the
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 11: behavior that we're asking for. Now, it's not like, hey,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 11: here's a trophy. And, oh, you know, it's not like
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 11: a multi-level marketing party where, yeah, you know. It's, no,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 11: it's genuine. This is what wins. This is what winning
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 11: teams do, and you promote it, right? So it's what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 11: you practice, it's what you promote, and then it's what
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 11: you permit.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 12: Don't permit behavior that is counter to your culture.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 11: I don't care if you're a first-year walk-on freshman or
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 11: a fifth-year senior that's about to get drafted. The culture
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 11: is the culture. The standard is the standard. We'll call
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 11: that out if we see.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 12: That it's behavior counter to your culture.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 11: Otherwise, you're just announcing to everyone, well, the culture matters,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 11: the behavior matters. But if you're a star, we'll let
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 11: you get away with some stuff.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 12: So it's an everyday deal. It's not... Just words on walls.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 11: It's an everyday deal that you've got to hold people
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 11: accountable to, but also help them understand this is awesome.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 12: Like, what you're doing here, that's why we're winning, right?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 14: Morgan, I'm curious your thoughts on just the play of
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 14: Jackson Benny this season. we know that playing nickel in
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 14: this defense is one of the hardest roles on the field.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 14: Just how would you assess his performance, you know, overall
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 14: throughout the season?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 12: I'd say pretty good.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 11: You know, I, again, I, I would need to go
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 11: back and watch, but Jackson Benny, uh, is making plays.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 12: He is, uh, forcing turnovers.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 11: He's, you know, you put him in a very difficult
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 11: position to play against Glasgow, uh, it's a technique deal
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 11: in my opinion. And it obviously he's got a ton
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: of speed, but Jackson's got speed. Uh, he's a four,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 11: four guy that can jump out of the gym, but
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 11: technically we really didn't do anything at the line of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 11: scrimmage to get a body on him. We didn't slide
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 11: our feet. There's certain things technically that we need to do, uh,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 11: better there in that situation.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 12: But, um, I'm, I love Jackson Betty doing really well.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Morgan Scali talking about, uh, His team, after another win,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: I think it was Joe Coles that asked the question
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: about Morgan's feelings on an expanded college football playoff that
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: will eliminate conference championship games moving forward. We'll probably have
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: more time to talk about that as the show progresses,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: maybe even into tomorrow. But it's a 2014 field coming
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: next year. This will be the last ever Big 12
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: conference championship game. Utah has an inside track right now
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: to participating in that thing. And there's a very real
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: possibility that Utah, if they continue this trend towards success,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: that Utah will be potentially hosting a.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Playoff game on campus.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, of course, if they win out, they don't
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: get to do that because you get a first-round buy,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: which is insane to even think about.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: And when we talk about an expanded college football playoff,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: there's still this year's format that you're trying to get
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: yourself into. And this is the first chance that the
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: Big 12, I think, has a realistic opportunity to get
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: multiple teams in. It's going to require Texas Tech continuing
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: to win, Utah continuing to win. I'm not so sure
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: I share the optimism of BYU Cougar fans, even after
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: the big Notre Dame win over the weekend, that two-loss
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: BYU could get an at-large bid.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: But we'll see. It's a wide open year. Great to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: hear from Morgan Scali.
• 1:15:10
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• 1:15:13
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• 1:15:16
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• 1:15:19
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• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: to in that press conference, uh, You know, coaching changes
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: happening around the world of college football, including another one
• 1:15:33
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• 1:15:36
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  Speaker 4: Watching things unfold the way they're unfolding in Michigan. I
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: want to make this very clear. Like today for me,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: really this week, the show is about Utah being nine
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: and O and Utah being undefeated. Unfortunately, nothing exists in
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: a vacuum. And there's this really weird scenario where we
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: have to watch this. Like for me, at least really cringeworthy,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: almost painful descent into madness and when it comes to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: the coaches that departed the university of Utah and are
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: now at the university of Michigan, they're not, they're not
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: having success. It's a failure of a season for the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: university of Michigan. I like many of you was 100%
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: sure that if Kyle Whittingham ever got an opportunity at
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: a blue blood program, he would end up having an
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: immense amount of success. If he had taken the Tennessee
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: job years back, I was for sure that he was
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: going to be great there. And it hasn't worked out
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: that way. Jason Beck is now unemployed. I mean, life
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: comes at you fast in the college football world, but
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: this is bananas when you compare what kind of job
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: he did at the University of Utah in his lone
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: season with the Utes. He had the number four scoring
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: offense in the country. Top five scoring offense in the country.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: Number two rushing offense in the country as the offensive
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: coordinator at the University of Utah. Now, they weren't nearly
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: as proficient in the passing game. 82nd ranked passing offense
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: in the country. But a lot of people will tell
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: you that there were some shortcomings in the wide receiver room.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: The number four total offense in all of college football
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: in 2025 was called by, coordinated by, game planned by.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Jason Beck.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Who of course followed Kyle Whittingham and is now fired
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: by Kyle Whittingham. There's a lot of ways you can
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: read this. Personnel, player personnel matters even more. than coaching
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: personnel does, to nobody's surprise.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I think Jason Beck is obviously a quality coach.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: He was able to make lemonade out of lemons when
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: they had a mediocre offensive line at New Mexico. The
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Utah staff, including Morgan Scali, who was instrumental in bringing
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: Jason Beck to the Utes, recognized that, hey, when you
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: put this guy, combine him with Jim Harding, you combine
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: him with Caleb Lomu, Spencer Fano, Jaron Kump, some of
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: these guys, things are going to work out a lot better,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: and they did. He was one of the most sought
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: after guys going into that cycle. Of course, he didn't
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: have to look too far because a blue blood job
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: opened where his current boss at the time took the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: blue blood job and he followed. It wasn't able to
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: take Devin Dampier or Bert Ficklin. And I think that's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: a big part of why things haven't worked out in Michigan.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: I haven't watched every Michigan football game, so I'm sure
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: there's a lot more to it, but it is absolutely
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: insane to me. that you can go from being the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: top four offense in college football at the university of Utah,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: which did not have a reputation for offensive potency or
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: success in most years under that same head coach.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: That you were working for.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: And then you could go to Michigan and I'm scrolling
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: down here and looking at where Michigan's offensive numbers are.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: And They are the 132nd ranked offense in college football
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: right now. That's like number four to number 132.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: That's like the second worst or close to that, right?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: Like one, there's not many other, many more programs.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Than 132 and FBS.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: There's 138 in FBS this year.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Number four to almost fourth worst to sixth worst.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: Goodness gracious. This is, neither here nor there. This is
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: kind of crazy. Maybe there's something wrong with offense in
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: the whole state of Michigan, Western Michigan, who actually beat
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: the university of Michigan in the first game of the season,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: but didn't get the win. They're ranked one 19 in
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: total in offense. And this is scoring offense, 13 spots higher.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: They're not number one 19. Number one, 30 central Michigan,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: number one, 31 Eastern Michigan, number one, 32 Michigan, number one, 33,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: the team that Kyle Whittingham and coach Beck and coach
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: Harding lost to this weekend, Michigan state. That's five teams
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: from the state of Michigan in the bottom 20 in
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: all of college football offensively.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: Western Michigan is the best offense in the state of Michigan.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: They're 119. That's rough.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, sorry.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: This is total offense.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: Not scoring off total offense, which is what normally when
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: you say number one offense, that's normal what they're talking about.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: So it works.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: So it just craziness. with that juxtaposition, you and I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: were sort of chatting during the break.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 9: I just keep wondering what's next for Jason Beck, because
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: this is still, this is a guy who has not
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: forgotten how to coach offense, right? This is a guy
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 9: who at his next stop will probably be really good.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: Probably have a really good offense. Something's going wrong in Michigan,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 9: which as Ohio state fan, I don't hate, I hate
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: it for coach Witten. I hate it for, for coach
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 9: Beck and Jay Hill and Jim Harding, of course. Um,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 9: it feels like if Beck doesn't get any power, any
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: offers to go to a power for school, doesn't it
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: just feel like he ends up in Logan back on
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: Bronco staff.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: Speaker 2, that would be, I think an excellent option
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: for both parties because Utah state, they got to win
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: again this weekend, by the way, shout out Utah state.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Well done Bronco and, and the Aggies Speaker.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 9: 0, speaking of making lemons, lemonade out of lemons, they
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 9: had quite the lemon start to this season.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: And now I think they're four and five, right?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: They're, they're, they're close to securing a bowl game.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: I think this was the first time they won back-to-back games,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. And look, it's, it's.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Apples and oranges.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: What they have to work with versus what Utah and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: BYU have to work with this modern era of college
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: football is incredibly unkind to teams that are in the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: PAC 12 conference, the reconstructed PAC 12.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Um, but they're, they're three and two in conference.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Now the Aggies are, you know, they lost the Washington
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: in a close game. They lost the Utah in a
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: not close game. So against their own, well, they also
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: lost the Idaho state, which was embarrassing, but against their
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: own sort of like classification of football, they're four and two.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: It's not, not the end of the world, right? They
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: just beat Fresno this past weekend. They're bad offensively. So
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Bronco needs some help. And Jason Beckett, when it happens
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: like this, like it's happening in Michigan right now, it's
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: not because people forget how to coach.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: It's not what it is. It's not like I don't
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: know anything about football anymore.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: It's my vibe, my plan, my whatever doesn't work with
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: this personnel, doesn't work with this culture, doesn't work with
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: this university, whatever. Like, here's a great example. Sonny Dykes
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: at TCU. Sonny Dyches at Louisiana Tech was an incredible coach.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Overachieved in a podunk school, playing in a conference that
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: had some quality teams in it, and overachieved, over-recruited, got
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: the most out of guys, sent a couple guys to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: the NFL, and got better opportunities because of that, right?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: He went to Cal when I was in the Bay Area.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: Sonny Dyches was at Cal. He had Jared Goff. A
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: true freshman, Jared Goff, playing against Ohio State, first game
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: of the year. And I was telling everyone, I'm like,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Sonny Dyches is an awesome coach. I watched a ton
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: of him against Utah State these last several years. He's
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: a great coach. He was dog you know what at Cal.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: It just didn't work. It didn't work in the Pac-10.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: At the time. Sorry, the Pac-12 at the time. It
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: didn't work with those players.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: It didn't work with whatever was going on at Cal.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: It was not a good fit. And he gets another
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: head coaching opportunity at SMU. And it's like, oh, wait,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: look at this. This works again. There's never a time
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: in there where he forgot how to coach or he
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: didn't know what he was doing. The same is true
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: with Jason Beck. The same is true with Jim Harding.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: The same is true with all these guys that left
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: the University of Utah, Coy Detmer Jr. Like these guys
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: know how to coach football. Maybe they don't know how
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: to coach basketball. Michigan football. And I, I wish I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: could explain to you why it goes that way. If
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: I could, I'd be an athletic director somewhere and I'd
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: be making millions of dollars and letting other people do
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: the hard jobs. That's like, if anyone could figure out
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: why it works some places and why it doesn't, why
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: did Scott Frost kill it at UCF the first time,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: the first time. And then he went to Nebraska and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: it was like, it's all the water.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 9: Like it should have worked beautifully at the school that
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 9: you went to.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 9: That was how that was the plan. And it didn't
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 9: work out. And it's only been okay since he returned
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 9: to UCF.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, Kyle Whittingham, we, we, we all know the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: nuances of coach wit and some of his kind of
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: like passive aggressive sarcasm with certain questions and things like that.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 9: Which he drew a lot of iron Michigan fans, the
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 9: whole Are there any more trophy games? And there's some
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 9: that actually thought he was serious. No, he he's, he's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 9: upset at the season. He's mad at the question. That's
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 9: what's going on.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: But there, but the way that's interpreted is, Oh, you
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: don't respect the big tens tradition. You don't respect the
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: fact that here in Michigan, we care about these little
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: Brown jugs and Paul Bunyan's acts and things like that.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: That's not how he means it. That's the way it's interpreted.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: And then it further erodes this relationship. So I think
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Kyle Whittingham's done. I think he has another year. I don't,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know. The only, I think the only way
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: that he could save it is if he beats Ohio state,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: which listen, the way Ohio state's playing, I'm not throwing
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: that out.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not throwing that out as a, as
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: not a possibility.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: And even then, even then I think that the only
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: way to save it is advocating him advocating for himself
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: and saying, look, This didn't get off on the right
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: foot because I was told to come here and you
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: didn't let me bring my quarterback.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: I have to have my quarterback.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: And I think Michigan's going to say, dude, you have
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: everything else you could possibly have needed.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: We made that mistake, but by, I think that's, what's
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't have special insight.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: I don't have Michigan insiders telling me that this is
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: going to be, it's not a storyline today because we're
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: celebrating Utah win over BYU and the hopefully finishing out
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: a season as big 12 champs and being a playoff
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: team and off season storyline that I'm going to be
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: playing very, very, very, very close attention to is how
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: many people are in Jason Beck's shoes eating that? Oh man,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: buyer's remorse burger and saying, I want to come back.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: And if there are those people, there will be how
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: many of those people does this Utah football program say, Gosh,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: John Henry Daly, we sure love you. We could have
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: used you this last year.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Come on back.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Hey, JJ Buchanan, I know you thought you were going
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: to a better passing offense.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Look at this, man.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: Like again, it's not a conversation I want to get
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: into today in depth, but it's something that I think
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: is going to blow up at Michigan and there's going
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: to be shrapnel scattered all over the country. Is there
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: a place to mend that fence back to the university
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: of Utah?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: If you're a player or a coach, that would be
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: fascinating if that happened.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 9: And in this day and age of college football, it's,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 9: it doesn't feel like it's, it's out of the realm
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 9: of possibility.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: It's not out of the realm of possibility with Utah.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: Football in the way that yet the way they're Joe
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: Williams left the team and came back in the same season.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: Nate Johnson left the team and came back in ensuing seasons.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Like we've seen this. It's true. It's true.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 9: In recent years, even we had a text asking how
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 9: much Jason Beck is getting paid to not coach at Michigan.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 9: I think the report is 10 million. He's got a
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 9: buyout that this is without the offsets or whatever. I
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 9: think it starts at 7.1 million and escalates potentially to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 9: $ 10 million as a buyout.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot of money job and stuff.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 9: It's they're saying it's, if it's not the biggest buyout
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 9: slash other things involved in that other fees involved in that,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 9: if it's not the biggest one, it's for a coordinator, it's,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: it's certainly on the short list of the biggest in
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 9: all of college football for a coordinator.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: I am amazed. I did not see this coming at all.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: And it's, I take no, I'm sure there are Utah
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: fans that feel some type of satisfaction to see this.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: I take no satisfaction in seeing you go down this way.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: I will ask you this. The buyout, if Kyle Whittingham
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: is fired at Michigan, the buyout is about $ 25 million.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: So combined between Beck and him, they're on the look
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 9: for $ 35 million.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: And all the other staff. And who else?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, they've got to pay buyouts for everyone.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: But just those two, that's a lot of money. And
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Jay Hill's not cheap.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah, no.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 13: No.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: So if you're looking at a buyout, and by the way,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: Jay Hill is in a unique category because Michigan fans,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: go read the comments on everything Michigan. Michigan fans are like,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: Jay Hill should have stayed at BYU, not because we
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: don't like him here, but he would have been better
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: off there. It's not fair to Jay Hill. Michigan fans
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: are done, right? So, but they're not done with Jay Hill.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: So would Jay Hill have an opportunity to elevate with Jay?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: He'll have an opportunity to stay there as part of
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: the next person staff. Like Kyle Whittingham did when urban
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Meyer came here, like Morgan Scali did when Kyle got elevated. Like,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: I mean like Gary Anderson and Kalani, like these guys
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: have followed this type of thing.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: So that's a possibility. Uh, the Kyle Whittingham.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Buyout is around $ 25 million to my understanding. He's got,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: he got paid $ 13 million from the university of Utah.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: And again, I looked at that and I said, how
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: can you be paying this for someone to go away?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: And guess what? It was the right decision.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: So mea culpa for my doubt to all the leadership
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: up there at the University of Utah. But if we're
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: talking about, and I think that buyout excludes the current
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: salary that he's on at Michigan. So $ 8 million plus
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: $ 13 million plus $ 25 million.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: North of $ 40- something million dollars. to be, for lack of
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: a better term, disgraced. It takes a lot of the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: sting off it, I'll tell you. But man. It's a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: sad look for Witt.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 9: And like you said, I know that there's a segment
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 9: of Utah's fan base that has no love for him anymore.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 9: But it's tough to see a Utah coaching legend, a
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 9: local legend here, go somewhere else in a blue blood
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: program with lots of fanfare and have this be what
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 9: happens in his first season there.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: That's it's tough.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 9: And that's coming from me as a, as an Ohio
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: state fan, it's tough for me to see that even
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 9: as someone, as much as I like to see Michigan struggle.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, did you see who.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: They brought to the, the Michigan state game to be
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: like the celebrity.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Motivational speak?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 9: I did not see that Wolverine. Speaker 1, Hugh Jackman,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 9: Wolverine for the Wolverines.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: Hugh Jackman came and talked to the team and it was,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: I watched the video. He talked to the team about
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: former us president and former Michigan Wolverine football player, Gerald Ford. Oh,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: and Gerald Ford's best friend who was in 1936 was
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: an African-American player on the Michigan football team and Georgia
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: tech refused. They threatened to not play Michigan if this
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: black man was allowed to play against Georgia tech and
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Gerald Ford. And so Michigan was like, fine, we'll bench him.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: And Gerald Ford apparently threatened to quit the team and
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: Hugh Jackman. So he's telling this story and he knows
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: the accent and you're like, wait, why is this Australian
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: talking to an American football team about an American president
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: and American civil rights in a time well before the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: civil rights movement?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: It was like, am I having a fever dream right now?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Ultimately, unfortunately, it did not save the Michigan Wolverines, that
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: motivational speech from Wolverine himself.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 9: That's quite a story. I have not done a deep
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 9: dive on Gerald Ford. Knew that he played college football.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 9: Did not know that story. That's definitely a cool story
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 9: to share if you're a celebrity guest speaker.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: It did not help.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: Against in their second biggest rivalry game against Michigan.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: 1934 is when they were close. They're scheduled to play
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: against Georgia tech and Georgia tech said, if Willis ward,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: who was Gerald Ford's best friend, if Willis ward plays,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: then we are not going to play you. He threatened
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: to quit the team in protest and wrote to his
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: dad that he was going to resign.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: He was going to leave the team.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: And actually it was Willis ward who convinced Gerald Ford
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: to play in the game so that the team would
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: not suffer. Willis ward went on to become a lawyer
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: and a judge and visited president Gerald Ford at the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: white house many times.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: So during the civil rights movement, isn't that a fun,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: isn't that a fun little aside that we learned from
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman? Huge Ackman. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: By the way, I would pay whatever the streaming fee
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: is to watch Kyle Whittingham talk to Hugh Jackman because
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: he might be one of like 10 people in America
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: who have never seen anything that Hugh Jackman is in.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: Cause coach famously doesn't watch movies and TV, right?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 9: You don't think that he was urban Meyer ask and
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: being like, I don't know who this guy is seeing
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 9: him though.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 9: Do you think that that could have been in play?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: You know, the way, the way urban Meyer was in
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 9: that funny video with, with.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: The flag football game with Owen Wilson. Okay. How do
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I know you?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 9: I know it says I'm on your team. I, I really,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 9: I would pay to watch that interaction. Just be like,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: do you think that that might've been, you ever seen X-Men?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 9: And he's like, what, what are the, what's X-Men?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Logan, Logan, who? Greatest showman. Never seen it. Never heard
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: of it. PT.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: It's about PT Barnum.
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  Speaker 3: Who?
• 1:36:29
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• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: Has the Michigan head coach who had Hugh Jackman at,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: Go talk to the team. Has he ever seen anything
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: that Hugh Jackman has been in?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: All right, that's enough Michigan talk for the day and
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: probably for the year. But there is going to be
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: further fallout, and it's going to be interesting to see
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: how much of that touches this University of Utah football
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: program because chemistry and culture are clearly the most outstanding
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: trait for this team right now. And you can't afford
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: to mess that up, even in the offseason. So we'll
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: get to that when it's time to get to that.
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  Speaker 4: So I want to visit something from the Morgan Scali
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: press conference that was really interesting. When I posted the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: highlight video of... of Trey Reynolds interception at the end,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: there were a lot of people who said he, he
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: did it on purpose. They were, they were, they let
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: that guy get open on purpose to bait bear Bachmeier
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: into making that throw, knowing that they would get the interception.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: Now I push back on that pretty aggressively. It was
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: really interesting to hear Morgan Scali explain why Elijah Reed
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: did not follow Casper into the middle of the end zone.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: Basically And the way that I interpreted his answer was like,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: he basically said, look, we're selling out to stop the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: run there. thinking that BYU is going to run, but
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: your eyes have to tell you whether or not you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: got to drop into his own. And that's exactly what
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: Trey Reynolds did. Although in that condensed space, you're not
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: dropping much. You're just getting vertical and taking away the zone. Um,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: He said that Eli's re needed to, to squeeze the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: route more, not let him just run free, but man,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: Colton Swan in deciding scenarios in games in important parts
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: of games, I think is at his best. We talk
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: about clutch with players all the time. Who's clutch here.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: Who can you rely on to make a shot there?
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: Who's going to be the quarterback. You want the ball
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: in his hands down the stretch. I feel like Colton
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: Swan is better as a defensive coordinator when the chips
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: are down, when it's like, all right, we got to
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: do this. And it's because he trusts his guys to
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: make plays like the one that Trey Reynolds made. Morgan
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: Scali told us, look, we're accepting a certain amount of
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: risk in that scenario because of what we think is
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: going to happen. And what they thought was going to
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: happen is not what happened. What they thought was going
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: to happen is that it was going to be a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: BYU run, so you're overcompensating, you're selling out to the run.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: Your risk is, I'm better at stopping the run here,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: a pass might hurt us here. But the amount of
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: trust that you have in your players to execute that
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: defensive call right on the two-yard line is banana sandwich.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: It is something that it sends a message to your
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: players that When you're like, oh, it's fourth and one,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Creed Whittemore, I'm going to put the ball in your hands.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: Sends a message to Creed Whittemore and to the rest
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: of the team. I think everybody in this building is
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: going to do what I ask them to do. I
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: think all of you are capable of making a game-changing
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: play for us. There's plenty of teams and plenty of
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: coaching staffs that would say, fourth and one, we absolutely
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: have to have it down. The ball has to go
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: to either Devin Dampier or Way Sean Parker.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry, everybody else. Maybe Pagan.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 9: Nobody else gets it out of Devin's hands though, to pagan.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: And by the way, a creed, not only we're not
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: just throwing the ball to you, we're going to ask
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: you to throw the ball. Like it's a backwards thing
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: that somehow works. And defensively, you sent that same message message.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: You said, all right, they can kill us with the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: bear Bachmeier run here. They can kill us with an
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: LJ Martin or Cionemo. LJ Martin was not in on
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: that play. That's what they're best at right now. In
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: this short yardage situation, 240-whatever-pound quarterback who hurt us with
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: a couple of runs on this same drive, we're going
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: to over-index for that.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: And we'll live with the risk.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: And that risk is something that was rewarded because you
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: trust and you coach up your eyes, according to Morgan
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: Scali in the press conference, go listen to it, your
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: eyes tell you what defense you're calling.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: With zone eyes. That's what Trey Reynolds did. And he
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: executed it perfectly. It's crazy.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: It's mad scientists to be like, yeah, we might have
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: a free runner in the end zone. We might have
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: a guy behind our defense, but I think that our,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: our individuals will make, they will react in real time
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: in a 3.7 second play or however long that thing took.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: Probably not even that long. They're going to make the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: correct read and response. That is an insane amount of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: trust in a college football player. And it's not like
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: Colton Swan gets to walk out there and say, hey,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Trey Reynolds, it's going to be you. He's trusting John
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: Uhal to make the right read. He's trusting Elijah Reed
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: to make the right read. He's trusting Nate Ritchie to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: make the right read. He's trusting everybody to make the
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: correct read there. The only guys who in that type
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: of scenario don't have trust That complicated read and response,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: according to Morgan Scali in that call is your front line.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: And I think that it was Sam Sula and maybe
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: Tau Teoli that we're in, if I'm not mistaken on
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: that one, because Carson Kalfusi yikes, knock on wood. Hopefully
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: we get good news about him on the injury report
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: coming up this week. Cause he looked like he was
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: in some serious pain, but even that, even that you're saying,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: all right, well, Mike Tau Teoli, you're in like eight
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: plays a game.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: I trust that you're the right guy to have here.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: biggest moment of the game to that point. Holy cow. Yeah.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 9: Can I say something that we had Steve Tate on
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 9: last week and something that's, that has stuck with me
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 9: since that interview OC was when you asked him why
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 9: in his estimation is Morgan had this success he's had
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 9: in his first year. And Steve mentioned the leadership on
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 9: the Oh four team that Morgan was certainly a big
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 9: part of the fact that Morgan was was able to
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 9: learn from urban and wit and kind of take the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 9: best things from both of those coaching legends.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 9: But the thing that he said about the leadership of
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 9: that Oh four team, which you were a part of
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: as a walk on, of course, so you can speak
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 9: to this too.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: OC is, and, and.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 9: Morgan's big part of that as a captain on that team.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 9: I just, Ever since Steve talked about that, it's kind
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 9: of light bulb in my brain that like, yeah, that's
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 9: why it's been so good. He has been that kind
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 9: of a leader since he was, you know, probably playing
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 9: tackle football for Ute Conference as a junior high player,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 9: you know, as a middle school junior high player.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 9: And it speaks to what you were just talking about,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 9: about the trust that he gives the entire team. That's
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 9: something within Morgan. And that's something he's looked for in
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 9: the coaching staff, the guys he kept on staff, the
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 9: guys he's brought on on staff, to help infuse that
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 9: in the rest of the team. And you're seeing the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: players respond to it. And that pick by Trey Reynolds,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 9: as you just outlined, is a great example of the
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 9: players responding to the trust and the confidence that he
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: and his coaching staff give to them.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: Which, by the way, when you do that as a coach...
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: you are accepting the risk that they will make a mistake.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: The player will make a mistake and you will be
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: the one blamed for it. So it's like, it's an
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: ultimate accountability thing because that's what we do. If, if
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: that play had gone poorly, right? That same question is asked, Hey,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: why did Elijah read not follow him? And then Morgan
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: Scali has to give the same answer. and say, well,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: maybe he could have squeezed the route a little bit more,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: but the play call is he's supposed to stay home
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: and be ready to sell out to the run. And
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: if you look at the play action, not the most
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: convincing play action, but it's Sione Moa right there. And
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: there's two yards to go. If you let him get
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: any forward momentum, when I watched the play, I'm like, okay,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: does Elijah Reed have the flat here? Is that why
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: he thought he had to jump that route that never
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: was coming? Did he think he had inside help? And
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: Morgan said that maybe the safeties needed to have better
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: eyes and should have drifted that way and taken away
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: that Kyler Casper out. But at the end of the day,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: what you saw there, and we've seen this several times now, yes,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: other teams have missed opportunities against Utah's defense, but ultimately
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: there's an immense amount of trust being put in these players.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: And it's not just Trey Reynolds, who I think is
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: going to be an all-conference.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Linebacker this year.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: It's not just Rabbit Evans who's going to be in
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: all-conference safety this year.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: It's not just Nate Ritchie.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: It's, hey, when Cyrus Polu is in the game, we
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: trust that he and Elijah Ellis are going to do
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: the right thing. When we're in the goal line, Lucas
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: Samsula is like the biggest, widest body that they've got,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: and so it makes sense for him. But I don't
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: think Mike Tateoli is the biggest, widest body that they've got,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. So I'm just impressed with the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: way that Colton Swan, and he's an extension of Morgan Scali, obviously,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: the way that they have– placed that amount of trust
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: in players to execute complicated schemes in incredibly, incredibly, incredibly
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: important scenarios, even against your rival.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: Beautiful thing.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: And it's working out, and this team is spectacular to watch.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: We're going to come back with Zach Moss, but I've
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: got to remind you, you're doing a watch party this weekend, okay?
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: And you probably didn't have time to go downstairs Saturday
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: morning before the game to Southern steer butcher.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: You got plenty of time now.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: To make a plan for the Arizona game. If you're
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: not going down to Tucson, go down to 1705 North
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: Redwood road. Say, Hey, I got a watch party. I
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: got 13 people coming. What do you have for me?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: They're going to say, oh, guess what? We've got some
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: new stuff on the menu. We've got holiday sausages now,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: fruit-infused sausages to add to your stuffing. We can do
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: the whole Thanksgiving dinner for you next week, but let's
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: hook you up with some armadillo eggs. Let's get you
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: some marinated steak tips. You want a pork butt? Let
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: me tell you how to make it. Don't just buy
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: it here at Southern Steer. Take these tips from us,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: and this is how you should.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Prepare that thing.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: It is the cleanest, most ethically sourced meat you can
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: find in the state of Utah. It is very reasonably priced,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: even though it is a specialty shop. It's the modern
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: take on the old neighborhood butcher. And Dan and Aubrey
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: Gunther and the folks down there at Southern Steer have
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: kind of made us part of the Southern Steer family.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: They'll do the same thing for you.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 11: 801-895-3101.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Tell them that OC sent you down there. Go grab
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: all the fixes.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: Go grab all the meats, all the mains, the spices,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: the marinades, everything that you need for your watch party
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: this weekend as Utah tries to go 10 and 0
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: against the University of Arizona with the big noon crew
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: down there in Tucson. Zach Moss next on the Sean
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: O'Connell Show, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, baby.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 10: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show, your source for
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 10: the best youth football coverage. Here's O.C. from the Murdoch
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 10: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. And I
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 10: won't back down. Well, I know what's right.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: Utah football legend, Zach Moss, to talk all things Utah
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: football and a big win in the Holy War.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Zach Moss, welcome. How are you, sir?
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 8: Doing really good. How are you, my man?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: Man, it was an amazing day up there on Saturday.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: Could not have been more perfect weather. Early kickoff did
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: not affect the atmosphere, in my opinion. How did you
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: feel about how it worked out with the Musts and
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: Rice Echo Stadium at a 10 a.m.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 11: Kick?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: Oh, it was perfect, man. Those 10 a.m. kicks, I
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: think fans should probably vibe for those a little bit
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: more than not, honestly. That was absolutely remarkable. It was
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: a beautiful, beautiful day. It wasn't cold at all. I
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: was overdressed. Um, which I wasn't so happy about Sunday
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 8: and I've been so much, um, thinking it was going
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: to be a lot of cheerleader that day, but, um, man,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 8: I was, you talk about what does November football look
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 8: like in Salt Lake? That was absolutely what you would
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: imagine right there.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about way. Sean Parker's date.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: First of all, in your career, did you ever have
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: a first carry like bump bruise injury where very first
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: touch of the game, you tweak something and what you
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: hope was going to be a perfect day. You realize
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: that crap, this is going to suck for the rest
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: of the day.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 8: Speaker 4 0 5 0 5 0 6 0 7
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  Speaker 8: 0 7 0 8 0 9 0 10 10 11
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  Speaker 8: later on in the game for sure. But I don't,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: I can't think of a little scary.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 11: No.
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  Speaker 4: Cause I think that's what happened. We saw the very
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: first touch for way Sean Parker. He, he and Glasgow
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: who tackled him both got up and limped off basically. Um,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, he, he gutted through it and he,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: he clearly wasn't a hundred percent himself. The coaching staff
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: obviously knew what he only got two carries in the
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: first half, but still found ways to affect the game
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: as we have talked about a lot. But I just,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: if you can take me into the mentality of a
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: guy like him, knowing how important this game is, how
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: important he is and knowing now maybe it's not going
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: to be a hundred percent perfect, but you still have
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: to stay in there and fight through it. And you know,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: finding a way to do that. What's that like for
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: a way Sean Parker in this game?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that just says so much about his character,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 8: his toughness, all those things that is what makes him
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 8: a really, really good football player, man. You know, obviously,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: like you said, getting beamed up early in the game
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: like that, when you know he's going to be physical
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 8: all day long and to already be– get a quick
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 8: thing up like that, that's absolutely going to shake the
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 8: confidence a little bit when you know you want to
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: have one of those type of games that people talk
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 8: about and things of that nature. But he knows what
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 8: he means to the offense. Him just being on the
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: football field you know, is huge for the offense and
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: he can pull people. But this is movement, man. You know,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 8: and he talked about it a little bit about what
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 8: him and Coach Markatour has talked about. You know, even
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 8: when he's not getting the ball, because there's so many
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: other times when he's not getting the ball, when he
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: is healthy, you know, that's a big thing when you
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 8: talk about wanting to go play at the next level.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 8: You also got to be a really good football player
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 8: without the ball in your hands, not when you have
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: the ball in your hands. And I mean, just look
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 8: at that, that past person that he had, he got
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 8: some really good ones throughout his career here so far,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 8: but that one for sure, just paint the picture of,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 8: you know, his mindset, not being able to contribute in
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 8: the fancy, fancy ways, right. With the ball in his hands,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 8: but man, he's an absolute all around football player. And
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 8: that showed up on Saturday.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: Take me inside of a huddle.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: When something like that happens where you've got a limited,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: you know, he's, Either your very best player is your
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: second best player in the offense.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: And now, you know, like, OK, this might not be
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: as productive of a day for that individual. You're facing
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: the best defense you faced all year. And it means
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: that you got to look at the receivers and say, hey,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: this one's on you today. You got to look at
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: the quarterback and say, hey, this might be a bigger
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: load for you to carry or the tight ends or whatever.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, they played complimentary football all year. This has been,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: you know, a well-balanced offense for the most part. But
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: take me inside of a huddle and the talk on
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: the sideline or whatever when one of your best weapons
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: is maybe not gone but limited, and now it's Devin
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: Dampier's show or whatever. How do you trust that things
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: are going to go the right way if you're a
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: member of that offense?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, you have to build the trust. I think
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 8: the trust is built from the offseason to spring ball
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 8: to fall camp and all those things. They know that
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 8: there's been many times, even go back last year, where
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: Devin had to be the lead guy this year. Not
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 8: so much that he had to be the absolute point
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 8: guard and scorer of the ball, right? He doesn't have
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 8: to really do a lot for the last few weeks
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 8: here because of some of those guys being banged up
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 8: and playing better defenses or whatever it may be. But,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 8: you know, you look around and they truly believe in
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: each other, which is the main thing, right? They have
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: a culture that they believe in, that they identify with.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 8: There's not a guy on that field that they don't
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 8: think can go out there and do stuff, right? You know,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: that's the reason you get into some of those games
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 8: early in the year. You have those. games where you
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: play Idaho State or teams in Utah State, just to
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: build up that confidence for guys behind the starters, to
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: build their confidence and know, hey, I've already done this.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 8: Maybe it's been four or five weeks since I've actually
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: had to come in and play a bigger part or whatever,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: but all those guys just absolutely trust each other and
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: want to fight for each other and want to play
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: for each other, which is why a guy like Wayshawn
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 8: wants to stay into that game and keep playing, even
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: though he's clearly hobbled, right? So many times he's motioning out.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: He's not getting the ball, but it was really hard
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 8: for him just to even do the motion. But, you know,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: like I said, those guys truly believe in each other,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 8: care about each other. And we have a team that
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: can do all those different things and actually have that
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 8: belief factor in each other. And not just playing for
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 8: the name on the back of the jersey, right? Because
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: that's very, very easy to do if you're an 18, 19,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: 20-year-old kid and you're also thinking about NIL and thinking
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: about what does my future hold for NFL or whatever
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 8: it may be, right? It's very easy to play for
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: the name on the back. Very hard to get everybody
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 8: to buy into the name on the front of that jersey.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 8: And right now we have a group of guys playing
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 8: for the name on the front.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: There was obviously a significant chunk of the game where
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: BYU started to gain the momentum back. Then they stole
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: it definitively. They took the lead. And it felt like
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: they took the crowd out of it a little bit. But,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're right down there on the sideline. You're
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: listening in. You know what's happening. Was there ever a
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: moment where the team started to get down or there
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: was a lack of belief from the actual team that
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: they were going to figure it out?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: It didn't feel that way watching, but I'm not quite
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: as close as you. Yeah, no, no, no.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 8: They were not worried. You know, they came out through
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 8: a punch, right? They know what type of team BYU
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 8: is and stuff like that. Like, you're talking about a
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 8: team that was ranked the number two, two, three team,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 8: whatever it was, a few weeks ago in the country
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 8: for a UCF loss. They know exactly... what that team
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: was about, right? That's a very, very good team, even
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 8: if you just take the rivalry out of itself. You know,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 8: and that's why they came out with their hair on fire, right?
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 8: They played to who they were, and BYU being who
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 8: they were as well, came back to their punch. And
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 8: then it was all about just trying to figure out
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: who can make the most body shots, right? You know,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 8: both threw out some haymakers early. Right now, it's about
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: just connecting and connecting. and connecting. And, you know, even
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 8: in the locker room, you know, nobody was hanging their heads. Like,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 8: guys were not worried. Guys weren't yelling around, you know,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 8: essentially frantic, panicking with anything on their faces. Man, it
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 8: was just, you know, listening to the coaches, finding the collections,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 8: and going out there and executing the collections, right? It's
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 8: never about the other teams. It's all about us. Like,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 8: that's what really good teams focus on. What can I
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: do better? What can we do better? What can the
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 8: coaches do better to put the guys in better situations?
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 8: And you saw a team come out in that second
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 8: half and just play Utah football, which they've done all
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: season long, right? I mean, the defense absolutely didn't believe
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 8: that that offense probably should have been on the field
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: with them. And they show why they believe that and
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 8: why they played the way they played in that second
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 8: half pitching a shutout.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: Where do we need to start putting Devin Dampier's name
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: when we talk about the most impactful quarterbacks that have
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: come through? Obviously, you played with some good ones and we've,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: we've watched guys like Cam rising closely. I was on
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: the team with Alex Smith, who I think is, you know,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: number one in most people's minds. And Devin Dampier is
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: not going to be as statistically dominant as a lot
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: of those guys, but he just makes plays.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: He accounts for touchdowns.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: He's, He's one of the best players in the country
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: at being the most impactful guy on the field for
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: his team, even if it doesn't look the same as
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: other quarterbacks. Where do we need to start putting him
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: in those conversations, Zach?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I said it, I want to say,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: two weeks ago versus Cincinnati, man, that, you know, he's
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 8: one of those players, to your point, it looks different, right?
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 8: It feels different, right? Sometimes you ask yourself, you know,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 8: you scratch your head. I do it myself. Sometimes you
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 8: kind of be like, man, I wonder what he's doing. Man,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 8: I wonder why he missed it. Man, I wonder, you know, right? Like,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 8: When you really just step back and look at his
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 8: body of work, only two losses in his career at
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 8: the University of Utah, and he has played so well
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 8: so many different times. No matter who you Some people
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 8: may want to sit back and look at, well, who
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 8: has the competition been, right? Who has been on the
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 8: other side of the ball, right? When you talk about
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 8: a quarterback rivalry, right? Where, you know, there's some guys like,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 8: you know, Sam Donald or Justin Herbert, right? And things
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 8: of that nature, right? Where he's had to have a
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 8: real showdown in a battle. But, I mean, people have to...
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 8: I don't know if he comes back next year or
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 8: whatever it may look like there, or if he's taking
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 8: interest from NFL or whatever it may be, but the
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 8: man has been absolutely stellar. He's been probably one of
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 8: the greatest leaders of a football team that Utah has
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 8: had in the culture, which is why Coach Sally wanted
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 8: to make sure that he had a guy like that
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 8: back for his first season as head coach, because he
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 8: understands how much and how important having a quarterback, but
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 8: not just having a quarterback with talent, but having a
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 8: quarterback that can command the offense, command respect of his
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 8: teammates on both sides of the ball in that locker
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 8: room is absolutely huge. And then that's why we've been
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 8: able to see Such good football from the end of
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 8: last season after that BYU loss to what we've been
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 8: able to witness so far. And it all starts with him, right, man?
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 8: Like a lot of these other guys have done some really,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 8: really good things this season for sure. But without a quarterback,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 8: no matter whatever has happened to us with the other
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 8: 21 guys on that football field, without a quarterback, man,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 8: none of it works. So he's been really, really, really good.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 8: You got to start thinking about him up there with,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 8: you know, Alex Smith and Tyler Huntley and all the
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 8: different other guys, Travis Wilson, and, you know, all the
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 8: names that you can think of that have played with
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 8: that U on the side of the head. He's up there.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 8: Hopefully he can Absolutely. Brian Johnson, let me not forget. But,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 8: you know, hopefully he can etch his name. The Cam Risings, man,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 8: I'm blanking here. I'm thinking about all these guys that
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 8: we've had. Hopefully he can etch his name in stone
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 8: officially so that he can have that remembrance that a
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: lot of those guys can impact a field on the
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 8: fans like a lot of those guys have had.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: What was going through your mind on fourth and one
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: when you saw Creed Whittemore take a pitch and drop
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 4: back to pass to Devin Dampier?
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 8: Well, um, on fourth down and a very, very critical
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 8: part of the football field, uh, I I did not
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 8: love the play. Um, I did not love the play
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 8: and I was absolutely shocked that he threw the football.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 8: But then I looked back, um, and I saw the
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 8: film of the clip on, on, uh, on Twitter. Um,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 8: you know, he, he went off the field and they
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 8: tried to run like a little sneak play, kind of
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 8: something that, uh, I want to say Baker Mayfield ran, um,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 8: couple years ago now where it was like a little
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 8: fake walk off come back on and he lines up
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 8: right really close to the sideline uh maybe with johnny
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 8: mandel and they throw him the ball but the ref
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 8: kind of ended up uh alerting the defense that he
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 8: was over there because they made him run back almost
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 8: into the to the huddle or whatever it was but
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 8: so from that part without the rest doing that it's
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 8: absolute great pickoff it's a walk-in touchdown um And the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 8: fact that they got blew up pretty much before the
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 8: ball even snapped and he was able to go up
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 8: and make a play like that, like... That's not a
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 8: play that's very, very easy. There's a lot of receivers
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 8: that play receivers that have some issues catching a contested
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 8: ball like that on the sideline, having body control, being
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 8: able to bring the ball down and survive the contact
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 8: of the ground as well. I mean, the guy's been
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 8: doing a lot of really good things, and that's just
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 8: another testament to the type of player he's become.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 4: We talked about this for the Cincinnati game. We talked
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: about it with Houston coming in town. Like every, every
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: test is scary. Everything's nerve wracking now because you're an
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: undefeated team trying to stay at the top.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: That's harder than getting to the top.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 4: Why should Utah fans feel like this Utah team is
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 4: going to go down to Tucson, a place they haven't
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: traditionally played all that well and continue the undefeated streak.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 8: I think it goes back to, you know, I said earlier,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 8: just the culture, the leadership that they have, you know,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 8: With those two things and the belief and the buy-in,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 8: you know, these guys, Coach Scali talked about it in
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 8: the postgame and things of that nature after the BYU game,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 8: not saying it's the game, right? It was a game, right?
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 8: And they have that mindset. They were able to talk
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 8: to Dan Peer as well after that game. And, you know,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 8: Coach Scali pretty much has these guys understanding and believing
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 8: that right, that each week is a championship game. You
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 8: have to treat them like that, right? And the fact
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 8: that he was able to install that and go to 0-0,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 8: then go to 1-0, to 2-0, to 3-0, a lot
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 8: of teams kind of can get surprised about essentially being,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 8: you know, beginning of the season, this team wasn't on
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 8: the radars of a lot of people, right? You know,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 8: they were able to do some really, really, really good
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 8: things And they didn't have to switch their mentality halfway
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 8: through the season. Like, oh man, we're 6-0 now. Now
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 8: we're going to be a team that people are going
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 8: to be hunting, right? We're going to be a team
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 8: with a bullseye on our back. They've already had this
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 8: championship mindset since fall camp. That's how we've already been
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 8: instilled inside those guys. So they understand where they want
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 8: to go and what they need to do to get
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 8: to where they want to be. And I love the
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 8: fact that each week, really really hard you can start
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 8: to look forward um if you're a team that kind
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 8: of surprises yourself that old man with five and oh
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 8: um you know let's get to this let's do this
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 8: right and now you have a change identity of the
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 8: team this team has had an identity since fall camp
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 8: when they were oh and oh and now they're sitting
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 8: at where they're sitting at um you know they understand
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 8: nothing has changed on their process.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about this announcement? Expanded college football
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: playoff is official, 24 teams, no more conference championship games.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 8: I think I'm probably like everybody else right now. You
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 8: can see the good and you can see the bad.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 8: You can see the nostalgia that you probably also used
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 8: to have. it's going to be gone now a little
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 8: bit with not, you know, there's no more big 12 champion,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 8: you know, no more big 10 champ, no more FTC champ, right. Um,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: all that stuff's going to be gone. So, uh, you know,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 8: definitely sitting there probably with some mixed emotions about it
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 8: until you see the product, right. It's going to take
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 8: a few years to, um, enjoy the product and, love
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 8: the product just like it took a few years you
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 8: know to get from uh the bcs to the to
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 8: the csv playoffs and then the sport teams and then
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 8: put it up to 12 teams and you know change
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 8: is always going to happen um and it takes a
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 8: little bit of time to adjust to that and enjoy
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 8: it and um you know all those type of things
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 8: as well but you know i understand it um you
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 8: know football is keen and the more you can continue
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 8: to broadcast sports football makes it more competitive you know
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 8: essentially without the bowl games because the bowl games definitely
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 8: has lost a lot of its aura over the years
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 8: guys sitting out with the playoffs now guys essentially are
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 8: definitely going to want to play, which I like that part.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 8: You keep the fans tuned in, right? It's kind of
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 8: like the NBA a little bit where you had to
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 8: throw the NBA cup in to just make it a
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 8: little bit more, you know, that part of the season
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 8: where things can kind of get a little dull. So
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 8: that's fun. I like that. I understand the money part
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 8: of it as well, which is huge, right? NFL is
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 8: doing it as well. All these teams are playing overseas
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 8: and keep trying to spread that out and stuff like that.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 8: When you understand the business side of it, that makes sense.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 8: On the fan side, I think it's going to be
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 8: overall good because it'll keep these athletes ready to go
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 8: and play really good football and play meaningful football in
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 8: the months of December and heading to January.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: Saturday, there were a lot of former players up there
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: on the sidelines and in pregame and all that stuff,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: and they were spanning all eras. Shout out Barry Sims
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: and the guys from way back and saw Paul Kruger
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: on the sideline from more my era. How many guys
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: from your teams did you see on the sideline?
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 8: I saw a lot of guys, man. Marcus Williams, Gooby Hobbs,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 8: Kelly Young, DeMarie Simpkins, Donald Thompson, Ty Quest, Hampton, Chase Hanson,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 8: Bradley and I, Leckie Fotu, John Penasini. I mean, it
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 8: was so good to see Jackson Barton as well. So
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 8: good to see all these different guys that you don't
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 8: get a chance to see weekend, week out, day in,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 8: day out. And to have a moment like that, especially
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 8: with the type of game that it was as well,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 8: it doesn't matter if it was just BYU, but just
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 8: being able to get all these guys that have contributed
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 8: to Life Cycle's have done so many things for the program,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 8: trust the program out to where it's at right now.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 8: Being able to see those guys on the sidelines was really,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 8: really good. So it's always fun to get the alumni
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 8: back to the school and love to see the school
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 8: You know, essentially buying into that and paying attention to that,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 8: you know, more so than they've done in the past
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 8: and things like that, because the alumni has shaped the
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 8: university no matter what. So, you know, you need that.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 8: You need the alumni around to make the guys that's
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 8: there present or the guys that want to come. be
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 8: able to look down and see guys that went to,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 8: you know, essentially go live that dream that some of
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 8: these guys are playing and want to come to the school.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 8: They believe that it can happen.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 8: So that's, that was big.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 4: Zach, appreciate you giving us time every week. Have a
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 4: great call in Tucson and we'll chat again soon.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 10: Sorry, man.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 8: Appreciate you guys. Take care.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: Zach Moss, NFL veteran, Utah football legend. Most productive running
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: back in school history.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: No big deal. And, of course, you could hear him on.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 4: The sidelines during all your official Utah radio broadcasts.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: He was up there on Saturday.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: And shout out to Morgan Scali, who hired a specific role.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 4: Bo Nogahee, another team captain from that 2014 local legend,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: guy who prepped at Skyline High School.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: Bo Nogahee is.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 4: exemplary at this job of football alumni relations. He's done
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: an incredible job of getting the people who want access
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 4: to the program, giving them access to the program, getting
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: them back there, showing them what's going on, allowing them
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: tickets on the sideline, telling them, you know, this is
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: what we want from you. It's, I don't know how, like,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: I can't put my finger on how it's going to
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: really pay like real time competitive dividends for Morgan Scali
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: and and his team. And maybe, maybe it doesn't, but
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 4: just the acknowledgement and the respect it shows to guys.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, there were guys, there were, there were guys
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: from the 1980s up there on the sideline on Saturday.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: And that happens because Morgan wants it to, and he
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: hired somebody to help it happen.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: It's really cool. More of your reaction.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: And we'll play a couple more highlights just because, you know,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: You can't celebrate a win over BYU too much. It's
• 2:11:52
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• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: Another one bites the dust.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 12: Another one bites the dust. And another one.
• 2:12:04
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• 2:12:09
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• 2:12:10
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  Speaker 2: Service at a higher elevation. All right, let's see here.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: James has given me a little menu of highlights to
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: play from.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: Let's go backwards. Let's work backwards.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: Let's go the game-sealing Nate Ritchie interception.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 6: From the Utah 41, Bachmeier out of the shotgun. Utah
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 6: will rush four. Bachmeier looking, looking, looking. He's going to
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 6: scramble to the outside. Bachmeier looking down the field, throwing
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 6: across the field.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 7: It is intercepted by Nate Ritchie! And that'll be the
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 7: ball game! Two seconds remain! The senior from Lone Peak
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 7: High School makes the biggest play.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: Of his career.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 7: And for the first time since 2019, and for.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: The 15th straight time on the year, and the record
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: stays perfect.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 6: The University of Utah will beat the BYU Cougars today
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 6: at Rice-Eckel Stadium. What a play by Richie.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: By the way, the Ute.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 4: Quake that ensued from that particular play is the third
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: biggest pop in rice Eccles stadium history. That was the
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 4: Nate Ritchie game clinching interception with two seconds left. Number three,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: all time ranking in the largest Ute quakes of all time.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: Wow. What were the other two? Are they what we
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: would guess? I actually don't know.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: Cause this only shows the, the largest you quakes of
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: the Holy war. Oh, and then they're all time ranking.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 9: So it was a highest one of the Holy war,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 9: highest one of the Holy war, all.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: Time ranking number three.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: And then, uh, the Trey Reynolds interception, the one before
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: that all time ranking of number five.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 12: Oh, wow.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 9: And I saw a tweet from the university of Utah
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 9: account from the department that that measure these measures. These
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 9: things said that, that, that damn peers catch also registered
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 9: a Ute quake smaller than those two. But that's a,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 9: I mean, three of them in this game, that was
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 9: number seven all time.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: Was it really?
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: And the third highest in that game, the pagan 46
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: yard touchdown pass.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: So the second touchdown pass. Yeah.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: That was a, that was number 10 all time.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: Bobo Chanel's interception was number 25 all time. Lance holds
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: claw registered a youth quake with his interception, the Devin
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: dampier three yard touchdown run also. So yeah, you had a,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: you had some good ones, little pops in that rice cycles,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: holy war game.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 9: Speaker 2, different kinds of pops than what our texture was,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 9: was complaining or the tweet piece of youths was tweeting
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 9: about on, about BYU.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: There's a different kind of pop.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 4: The, our guy Porter Larson just reminded me that they've
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 4: only officially measured these youth quakes the last few.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: Years okay so not going back very far let's.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: See here uh number one not going back all that
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 4: far is the jackson benny sack fumble from the houston.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 9: Game okay i was gonna say my when i said
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 9: is it what we would guess and what i had
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 9: in mind was britain covey's punt return but they maybe
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 9: weren't measuring it in 2021.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: No, I think this is like a big 12 thing. Gotcha.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: And it's just since the last, the last season and.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 9: Then cam risings, two point conversion over USC, which of
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 9: course predates this too, probably.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 4: The top five largest you quakes coming into the holy
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 4: war were still number one, Jackson Benny's sack fumble, a
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 4: Monte Carvalho's punt 75 yard punt return against Cincinnati from
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. Also Exciting play for sure. Yeah. So can I
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: say something too?
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 9: And maybe, maybe we'll get to this highlight. Wasn't it
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 9: cool how we started the game or Utah started the
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 9: game with the 40 something yard pass to Noah Benny.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 9: And then it, that landed on the 22 yard line.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 9: And then 22 yard touchdown. By Devin Dampier, the whole
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 9: 22 forever thing to start this Holy war game. I
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 9: don't know if you were thinking about.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: That at that time.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 9: I didn't even think about it. I was thinking about
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 9: that producing it here. I'm like, what a, what a
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 9: cool way to start this. If you're thinking about, if
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 9: you're thinking about 22 forever, um, and, and back-to-back plays too,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 9: which two different players were in 22, Aaron Lowe, Ty Jordan.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 9: What a, what a cool, if you were, I don't
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 9: know if anyone else was thinking about that. Kind of
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 9: a cool way to organically honor those two players, the
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 9: way they started out this Holy war game.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: I also want to say this. Um, know that you're
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: gloating at work today. If you work with BYU fans
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: or whatever, the only thing you really need to tell
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: them is scoreboard because the, the level of cope.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: And I know that every fan base is guilty of this,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 4: but the level of whining and complaining about that. There
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: were no controversial referee calls in this game.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: There were none. Not that, not that I saw. I mean,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: I actually thought that the Casper catch was a cat.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: It was Casper, right? Or was it Jojo Phillips? Oh, the,
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: it was Jojo Phillips. The catch that was like trapped
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: on the ground.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: I thought that when they would reviewed that they were
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: going to say that's a catch because the ball can
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: touch the ground if it doesn't move, but they overturned
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: it close. I could see being a little bothered by that.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: As a BYU fan, there were no play call. There
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: were no calls that changed the result of the game, right?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: Even like there was a Utah pass interference or Utah
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: was the beneficiary of a defensive holder pass interference.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: They didn't end up scoring on that drive. They missed
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: the field goal. So it kind of didn't matter, right?
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: Like there's all these, you're always going to be mad
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: about penalties that go.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: Against your team.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 9: .
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: .
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 4: Zooming in and Zapruder filming the defensive hold, the
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: pass interference on what should have been the game ceiling play.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: And so Utah fans do this also, but that was
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: a game changing sequence. That was like a very, obviously
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: the game is either over here or it continues. And
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: I have said many, many times, Utah still had the
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 4: opportunities in that game to make the plays and they didn't.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 4: just like BYU did not make the plays in this game.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 4: They had opportunities to make the game changing plays. Bear
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 4: Bachmeier could have not thrown that interception to Trey Reynolds.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: It wasn't his only option.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 4: It was not like that was the only outcome possible
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 4: for that play a monster play for Trey Reynolds. And
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: he deserves the bulk of the credit here, but Utah's
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 4: guys made the plays down the stretch. That's what these
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 4: rivalry games are going to come down to nine times
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 4: out of 10. 99 times out of 100 in this rivalry,
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 4: whose guys make more plays? A referee here, a whistle there.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: Why didn't you review? I thought that was an interception there, whatever.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: That's not what decides these games. It's who steps up
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: and makes more plays. Who's more disciplined? And that's what happened.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 4: Utah made the plays. It is the difference this year
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 4: from the last three, and especially from last year's game
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 4: in Provo.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: Last year's game in Provo.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 4: Utah had guys in a position to make plays that
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 4: would have changed the outcome of the game potentially.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: And they didn't finish the tackle.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 4: And I was overly hard on some of those guys,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: but you don't have to do it this year. You
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 4: don't have to re-adjudicate. You don't have to get into
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 4: the argument about whether or not it was a referee
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 4: because Utah's guys made the plays that BYU's guys didn't.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: And I mean, You talk about the fans of the
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 4: losing team overanalyzing referees' calls that maybe shouldn't happen. I mean,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 4: the Lander Barton targeting call.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 9: Times did we on this show and Utah fans be like, oh, man,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 9: if that didn't happen, like that was a terrible call
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 9: and Utah maybe wins if that didn't happen. It's like
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 9: this happens all the time. One other thing to say
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 9: about that. BYU fans that are trying to blame refs
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 9: like you, this season of all seasons, you have no
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 9: room to do that. Notre Dame should have had one
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 9: more play at about the four yard line to beat
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 9: you guys.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 18: That's right.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 9: By the way, because one second left, whether you think
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 9: that that should have been, uh, whether that you think
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 9: that was a bad, no call on a defensive hold
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 9: slash pass interference on that same, what ended up being
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 9: the last play of the game, whether that's whatever that
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 9: call is, they should have had one more play at
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 9: the four yard line to beat you guys. And maybe
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 9: they wouldn't have beaten you, but there was one second
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 9: left on the clock. So you had that, you had the,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 9: what happened in the UCF game, which ended up losing,
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 9: but also the big 12 had to say, Hey, that was,
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 9: that was wrong. And he had the Arizona state game.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 9: You had an extra touchdown in that game. You shouldn't
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 9: have had, we, we should have made them try to
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 9: score that touchdown again. Goodness gracious. This is the wrong
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 9: year for you to be complaining about refs in a
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 9: game that The rest really didn't have a consequential part
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 9: on pardon. And anyone who, who doubts the importance of
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 9: this game when it comes to the big picture for
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 9: these programs, I have a lot of friends who are
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 9: BYU fans.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 4: I got pulled into a group chat and this is how,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 4: this is the importance of this game. This is how
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 4: bad it feels to lose this game. There are two,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: only two, I'm sure more in other social circles, but
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: only two in my social circle. There were two people
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 4: making a case that they need to move on from
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: Kalani Satake because of this game, because of clock management
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: at the end of the game, because of the fact
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 4: that the players don't have a killer instinct, whatever, like
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: coming up with their claims, not mine, coming up with
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: reasons why losing this game with the high expectations of
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: this year, losing Kalani The UCF game after beating Notre
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 4: Dame there for, for at least a couple of individuals,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 4: they're like, this is, you gotta get, you gotta move on.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 4: You gotta get rid of Kalani Satake. And one wanted
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 4: to bench Bear Bachmeier moving forward. He's 19 and four
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 4: as a starter, but they wanted to bench him. That's
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 4: what the emotion of this particular game does to both
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 4: fan bases. But you don't have to feel it this year.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 4: And it is why the rivalry is so amazing and
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: fascinating to me. The joy and, in a weird way,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: relief of winning it is more satisfying than any other
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 4: win you're going to get on a calendar year. Because
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: you just don't have to listen to it. You don't
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 4: have to be like, well, we would have won if.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: You don't have to say that.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: We did win. Your team won.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: What a beautiful, beautiful weekend it was. All right. We'll
• 2:24:39
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  Speaker 4: in front of me. Extra cilantro? What are you, crazy?
• 2:27:02
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• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: like soap?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a genetic thing, you know. Is it really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 18: Well, then thank you to my ancestors because I hate cilantro.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why you would thank them. It
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  Speaker 18: I think more people would side with me. I think
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  Speaker 18: Relentless, smart, nasty broadcasters.
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  Speaker 2: You told me. Yeah, I heard about that.
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  Speaker 18: Indeed.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: What a night.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 18: I got to say, we'll get to Arizona. at some point.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 18: I know they're already on Arizona. I feel let down
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 18: after the high of what happened on Saturday. This is
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 18: a challenging deal to experience that game in that stadium,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 18: the way it all went down to be able to
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 18: pivot and refocus and get ready. That's a task, man.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, no one is more up to the task
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: than this crew.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: And I said this at the beginning of the show today.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: Even if the train wreck in Ann Arbor was not
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: something that you could compare everything to, and it was
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 4: just what Utah is doing right now, just getting over
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: the hump against BYU for the first time in six
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: years in three different meetings, right? Like being one of
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 4: two undefeated teams in the country, number two ranking, all
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: that stuff. I was among those who questioned whether or
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 4: not the whole thing was handled properly for sure. And
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: now it is very, very clear that the leadership and
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 4: the influence influential boosters and everyone who was like pointing
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 4: this program in the Morgan Scali direction was absolutely dead
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 4: on right to be doing it and to be doing
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: it when they did it. So it's just, it's an
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 4: impressive outcome that Morgan gets the vast bulk of the
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 4: credit for, but, it doesn't happen if not for people
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 4: they're making very difficult and somewhat unpopular decisions well.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 18: And all of us knew that morgan was ready for
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 18: this moment all of us knew that he was uniquely
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 18: qualified for this job all of us knew how organized
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 18: he is how smart he is how dedicated he is
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 18: how hard he works i would be hard-pressed that even
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 18: the most ardent morgan scali supporter would tell you that
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 18: they saw this coming right and It's easy to be
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 18: a revisionist historian. Dude, I said anything north of eight
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 18: wins for a first-year head coach has to be considered
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 18: a massive success. And now we are sitting here at, Sean,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 18: what I believe to be the beginning of what could
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 18: be a really, really incredible few months here, let alone,
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 18: I mean, we can throw 10, 15, 20 years out.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 18: The next couple of months are shaping up to be
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 18: like a historic deal here in our market. It's wild.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 4: I saw the list of recruits that were visiting, and
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 4: then I saw some names of recruits that asked that
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 4: they not be put on that list because I.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: Saw their bodies. I saw their faces.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 4: They were asked not to be put on that list
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: because they're committed to other programs. I talked to a
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: couple people. I'm like, this is something.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: It is important.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: You could be 43 years old and you are not
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 4: immune to the energy and the hype and the joy
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 4: of Rice Eccles Stadium on that Saturday. If you're a 17,
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: 18-year-old that is given an opportunity to come play in
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 4: that environment and you were there, I mean, I don't
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: care if Oklahoma is backing up a Brinks truck for you.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: You're going to have second thoughts.
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 18: Yeah, we got to get Heloti's kid and we got
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 18: to get Ewet's kid.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 11: Ooh.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 18: Are we on YouTube yet? Probably not.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 16: No.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 18: Well, for those of you that no one could have
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 18: seen the look on Sean's face, I guess.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 5: Hello.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 18: He's getting Weddell's kid.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: We got it.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 18: We got to get those two.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 4: And Ty Sparrow's kid. I mean, there's, there's a lot,
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 4: there's a really good crop of talent coming up. Fang Ray,
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 4: Ray Fang is kid. I mean, there's a lot of
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 4: guys that the next final tile final is coming through like,
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 4: and I said it last week. This game is particularly
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 4: important for the in-state guys, but also for the out
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 4: of state guys, right?
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: Cause it was a.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 4: Top 10 matchup and you emerged victorious from it. Didn't
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 4: have to be perfect. There were a couple of dang
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 4: near perfect plays that down the stretch at the end
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 4: of that thing, Trey Reynolds.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: I had a couple of people remind me today. They
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: said Trey Reynolds was going to be one of the
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: breakout stars of this year, that game right there. Like
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: if this were a different town, That's the type of
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: play you make, and you never have to buy a
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: beer again.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 18: You know, they sell beer in Salt Lake. Yeah, but
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 18: it's not the same.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: We don't.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 18: Never have to buy a swig again. Yeah, perfect. You know,
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 18: I was wondering if Morgan was going to talk about
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 18: this after the game, because when Trey made that play,
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 18: and then Nate gets the final pick, and Bobo deserves
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 18: all the credit, certainly Lance. The interception at the end
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 18: of the first half is bigger than most people really
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 18: fully understand. But to have those two kids, and Nate
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 18: has fought through so many injuries, and Trey is a
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 18: guy that, I think, was he a walk-on initially? Didn't
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 18: he earn a scholarship, if I remember that right?
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 18: But to Morgan's point, these two have stuck with this program. Nate,
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 18: a Utah County kid, a Lone Peak kid who could
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 18: have gone to BYU, chooses Utah. And to see them
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 18: rewarded with that moment. I wondered if Morgan was going
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 18: to talk about it after the game. And that's the
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 18: only time he got emotional, if you notice. Like, he
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 18: needed to compose himself when he talked about those two kids.
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  Speaker 18: It was everything that we could have asked for. It
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 18: was a wild ride. I knew it was going to be.
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  Speaker 18: I saw Shane Reese, the president of BYU, up on
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  Speaker 18: the sixth floor next to the media room. They had
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  Speaker 18: the BYU athletic department set up there. And when it
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  Speaker 18: was 14-0, he walked out to use the restroom. I said, hey,
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  Speaker 18: President Reese, how are you? He shook his hand. He said, well,
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  Speaker 18: we're about to get stomped. And I said, there's so
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 18: much time left.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of time.
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  Speaker 18: In this game. And sure enough, boom, BYU runs off 20.
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  Speaker 18: And I will be honest with you. When BYU ran
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 18: off 20 points and Utah started to make those mistakes,
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  Speaker 18: I thought BYU was going to win the game. I
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 18: thought they were going to go down, at least kick
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  Speaker 18: a field goal, get the ball to start the second half.
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  Speaker 18: And honestly, it was like, they're going to do it again, man.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 18: And for Utah football, once again, to answer every question
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 18: that has been posed to them emphatically. We've seen them
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 18: now in every setting that we need to, to be
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 18: able to say out loud with our chest, shout out
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 18: Ariana Grande, that this team, I think, can throw punches
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  Speaker 18: with probably any team in the country. Can they beat
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 18: any team in the country?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 18: Can they throw punches with the best teams in America?
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 18: I absolutely believe they can.
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  Speaker 4: And it'll start with Arizona. Very tough road trip for
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 4: the Utes this week. We'll be talking about it plenty
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 4: on this show and on Spencer's show.
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  Speaker 2: I want to part with this.
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  Speaker 4: Approximately 3 to 14% of people worldwide experience a soapy
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 4: taste when eating cilantro.
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  Speaker 18: 14% of what?
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  Speaker 2: 8 billion people?
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  Speaker 18: That's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: It is the second most popular herb on planet Earth
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  Speaker 4: behind only garlic. 21% of East Asians don't like it
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  Speaker 4: because there's a genetic component that makes you dislike cilantro.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 4: So your distaste suggests some East Asian genetics, some, some ancestry.com
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: deviation from what you probably know about yourself.
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  Speaker 18: Just to be clear, the end of crosstalk after Utah BYU,
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 18: you want to, Go out with a hot take on cilantro.
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  Speaker 2: You came in with a hot take on cilantro. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's a hot take.
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  Speaker 18: I think a lot of 14% of 8 billion people
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  Speaker 18: do not like cilantro. That's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's right. That is a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: You were suggesting like a majority of people.
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  Speaker 18: I'll take 14% of my brothers and sisters here on
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 18: the planet Earth do not like cilantro.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive.
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  Speaker 4: We'll probably talk some more Holy War tomorrow. It's the
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