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EP 45 - WHY DO MEN GET SO DEFENSIVE ABOUT WOMEN'S EXPERIENCES? · Relatables

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  Speaker 1: He's a thing, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently a lot of men aren't going down on their partners.
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: I actually have also heard this. Why not? Zero-sum thinking is,
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: in this particular situation, is like thinking that because women
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: are talking about their rights and things that are bad
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: that happen to them, if you're a zero-sum thinker, you
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: think that that takes away the bad things that have
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: happened to men. Whereas both things can be true at
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: the exact same time. In your ovulation, you're feeling your prettiest.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Feeling good. You know, you're feeling your horniest. Yeah. You're
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: probably feeling, you're just feeling your best all around. I
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: assume that's the best time. You could be right. To
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: be doing like a marathon or training. Logically, that makes sense.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: As a man. That does make sense.
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  Speaker 3: As a man.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Me over here with my 12-hour cycle. My 12-hour hormone cycle.
• 0:57
  Speaker 4: The Relatable Podcast is hosted by myself, Jake Craig, a.k.a.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: Daddy Dingle. And my partner in crime, Mr. Oddie Clark, a.k.a. Land.
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  Speaker 3: Land.
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  Speaker 1: Land.
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  Speaker 3: Land.
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  Speaker 1: Mommy Milkers. You didn't land. You don't like milkers? Milkers
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: is a nice nickname for you. That would be me saying,
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: you got big chest. I got big pecs.
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  Speaker 2: Funnily enough, actually, me and Cassie were talking about this
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: last night when we were going to sleep. She's like,
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: she doesn't know if she's.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: Going to breastfeed or not or whatever. That's her choice.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: She's like, would you taste my milk butt? And I said, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So would I.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was i was surprised when cassie told me she
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: would taste her own as well she goes yeah because
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: i thought like i thought i could read her and
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: i didn't think she would just because i don't know
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: comes from her body you know she's like no i'll
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  Speaker 2: taste that shit she's like i wouldn't drink it i'll
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: taste it oh she.
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  Speaker 1: Would taste it okay i don't know why i put
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: it in the same category as this but i feel
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: like look i'm not gonna judge right but Is it
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: crazy to think that Cassie drinking her own breast milk
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: or tasting her own breast milk is kind of similar
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  Speaker 1: to maybe like me or you tasting our own cum? Nah,
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: that's different, eh? You think it's different? Well, it's after
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: a baby's been born. I think it's different. I would
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  Speaker 1: say that's different. Look, it is different. If you said
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: to me, I've tasted my own cum, I'd be like, gross. Yeah,
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: that's disgusting. What a start to the episode. But also,
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  Speaker 1: if someone has done it, I also would be like, hey.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: Curiosity gotcha. What was it like? No, that's disgusting. What
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: was it like? I finished myself off and then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: get that shit off me, please.
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  Speaker 5: No, I've never.
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  Speaker 1: I actually genuinely hand on how I can say I've
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  Speaker 1: never tried it, but I just don't think I could
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  Speaker 1: judge someone that had. I would just be like, what
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: does it taste like? Well, I've asked. My girlfriend. What
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: it tastes like. It's gross, apparently. Just, like, salty. It's, like,
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  Speaker 1: it tastes as yuck, but it's the consistency that's gross.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently, sometimes, like, it, like, tastes different. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a placebo thing. It's, like,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't like them as much, it tastes a
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  Speaker 2: bit worse or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But I'm not sure. Yeah, if they have a
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: shitty diet. Yeah. You know, the whole pineapple thing. Yeah.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: Is that legit? If you eat pineapple or drink pineapple
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: juice and, like, if you go down on your girlfriend
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: after she's eaten pineapple. Pineapple would taste good. I thought
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: it was the other way around. But no, it's the
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: same thing. If I was to eat pineapple, my milk
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: would taste better. Apparently. Here's the thing, actually.
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: Apparently a lot of men aren't going down on their partners.
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  Speaker 1: I actually have also heard this. Why not? It's a
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  Speaker 1: good question. I don't know. I don't know why I've always...
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  Speaker 1: That's always been something that's turned me on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I get turned on massively. One, I would understand
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  Speaker 2: if they don't want to be gone down on every time.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever. Wait, do you mean if a man doesn't
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: want to be going down every time? No, no, no.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: The other way around, like if the woman phase in
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  Speaker 2: their cycle, whatever, doesn't feel like, I don't want you
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  Speaker 2: to go down there, whatever, I just want to have sex.
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  Speaker 1: Understandable.
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  Speaker 2: But every once in a while, I can at least
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  Speaker 2: offer like, I don't know, three out of five times.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, yeah. I think it's got to be more than,
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: you've got to offer more often than not. Yeah, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: It's a thing. Some guys don't like going down. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this should be your... They don't like the taste. They
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: don't like the feel. To the six men listening right now.
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  Speaker 1: I've had someone tell me that they had an ex
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  Speaker 1: who didn't like going down because they thought it was
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  Speaker 1: like licking a mango. Like a vagina? What? I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was like licking a mango.
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  Speaker 3: Also, mango is delicious.
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true, actually. You know what? I wouldn't mind maybe
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: cutting a mango up and just eating it that way,
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: if I'm being completely honest with you, and getting real messy.
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: Licking that shit up. Let's be real. It's about as
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  Speaker 1: messy as a mango. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are messy.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if you do it right. Bro.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: Actually, on Patreon, we can plug it early, we did
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  Speaker 2: a course on how to eat pussy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that was ages ago. Yeah, it's still on Patreon.
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  Speaker 1: We watched a video on how to do it. Is there? 899?
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  Speaker 1: What was it called? Didn't she call it like the
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: face melter or something? Yeah, it was just like you
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: lick an ice cream. Don't overcomplicate things. I still think
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: if you are a woman with a boyfriend whose skill
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: level going down on you is subpar. You've got to
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: cook there. You've got to recommend a few books. Just recommend. Honestly,
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: just get him to read the chapters of Zayden and Violet.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: She explains the way he goes down on her so well,
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  Speaker 1: and I genuinely think of that when I do it.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's a technique thing, or if that's
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: the case, if they've got to read books, more of
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: like a confidence thing? He's down there being like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what to do. Or he's like, I'm fucking casting,
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to eat this thing until it fucking explodes.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: Actually, that's a good point. It's like, is the build-up
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  Speaker 1: part of it in the sense of how maybe... in
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: books they kind of like growl and they're like i
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: just want to taste you yeah knowing that if he
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: goes like i just want to taste you would that
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: turn you on heaps and go and like no matter
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: how he does does it then feel.
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  Speaker 2: Good that's a good question actually i think it is
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  Speaker 2: because like sex is 100 as much as as a
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  Speaker 2: factor being the build-up as it is actual like sex
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: sex yeah and like kissing and how like if you're
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: in a group have you ever been like kissing and
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: you're like like touching each other, then something happens. Like
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: maybe a dog barks or the TV, you hit the
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: remote and it goes really loud or something and.
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  Speaker 1: You lose the rhythm. Yeah, you can lose a bit
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  Speaker 1: of rhythm for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that takes away from the sex
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I need a couple more minutes to
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  Speaker 2: get back into it.
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  Speaker 1: No, very valid. Very valid. I will say, so I
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: don't like even having a dog in the room, even
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: though they can't judge.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like dogs sitting naked either.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: You don't like a dog seeing you naked? Nah, not really.
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  Speaker 1: Who cares? Me, I feel like he's got his own eyes.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think he's sitting there? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: a dog's judging you when you're naked? I always say,
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  Speaker 1: don't look hurly. He's also the family dog. To be fair,
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  Speaker 1: your dogs are both your dogs. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like this dog could be going over and snitching to
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  Speaker 2: the family.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: The tea that they have on humans is next level.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: What do you think Darcy, your sausage dog sounds like? Brat.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: Very bratty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm going to go,
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: have you watched the show? Oh my God, what's it called?
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: Uptown Girl. Or Uptown Girls, maybe? I've heard of it. Yeah,
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the little girl from Uptown Girls.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: Kind of, she's very confident. And the reason she's very
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: confident is because her mother works all the time. She's
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: always got a new nanny. So she's very independent. Yeah.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: And Darcy's like not super independent. She's being a bit
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: more independent now, but she's just like, you know, have
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: you ever heard the, TikTok sound like News flash Take
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: a look around Blah blah That's from that And I
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  Speaker 1: think Darcy sounds like that I think she's just like
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: Bratty Yeah Kind of gets what she was And I
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: think Henry.
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  Speaker 5: Cunt Beth and I have always thought this Beth and
• 8:14
  Speaker 5: I have always thought Henry Like douchey.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: You guys keep him in check Yeah He's good He's
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: got you two as owners Very douchey He could like
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: Take advantage of Funnily enough, actually, I've noticed editing the podcast.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: You're a fan of You Wouldn't.
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: Did you clip the thing of you calling out?
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: I have it there and I'm in two minds of
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: whether I want to post it.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: I can now say that they're a bad influence on you.
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: Why? You've started saying cunt. I know they say it
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: all the time. Ten times more now. Your first reaction
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: is fucking cunt. I need to stop saying it. What
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: could we replace it with? What if I start saying aunt? Aunt? Yeah,
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know what else they do
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: on that show? They speak in, I think it's pig Latin.
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: So it's like aunt K. I've never understood that though.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: They say like aunt K or you could be like
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: egg J for my name. Egg J.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I do understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just you take away the first letter, say
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: the rest of the word, and then you take the
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: first letter and just add like A on it. You're
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: easily impressionable, mate. What do you want to do? For
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: the word? instead of see you went to yeah what's
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: the Jake what I could say I could start saying
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: see you next Tuesday you brought um broski back like
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago you started saying broski a fair
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: bit where'd that come from and you know what I
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: actually don't even think that's from you wouldn't.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah I think I thought that maybe that's you you
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: can do that and say like broski broski broski I
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: keep feeling the floor vibrate yeah oh Sam is that
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: your phone.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: Ah shit well Oli what we haven't seen each other
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: for what how long a week was I with you
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: last week.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: We saw Noah Khan last, was that last Friday?
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: A week and a half. A week and a half,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we spoke about Noah
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Khan on the Patreon. episode.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: We did.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: If you guys want to hear about that, you're probably
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: going to have to go over there. Because it was good.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: Because we could go into it again, but we really
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: did go into it. But what have you been up to?
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: I really like how we do things at the moment
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: where like we work for a week and then kind
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: of we do our own thing for a week, just edit,
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: which is like our own time, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: I think Ryan in the gym and we started the
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: baddies 75 day bootcamp.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just a little fitness.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to call it fitness, a little
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: health cleanse on Patreon as well.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So also I think what I'm, so over on Patreon,
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: we've done 75 days. what do we call it the
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: baddies bootcamp 75 days basically so it's a version of
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: 75 hard I was actually explaining it to my younger
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: brother I said like there's 75 hard and then someone
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: people have created 75 soft which is obviously a soft
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: version of 75 hard I think ours is like 75
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: firm you know it's not it's not easy Yeah, but
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: it's not soft. But it's not soft. And it's not hard.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: If someone said to me, oh, what are you being
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: up to? What are you triangling? I'm like, I'm doing
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: the 75 soft. Sounds like I'm not getting a boner
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: for a fucking 75 days.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: Like, no nut November. Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: I'm doing 75 soft. If I get a boner, I
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: have to restart. I'm doing the baddies bootcamp. If I
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: cave and have a wank, I have to restart. 75
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: days of no wanking. Here's the thing I don't like
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: about 75 hard is the fact that it's like, You've
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: got to do this, this, this, this, this. And if
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: you miss one thing, you have to restart from day one.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: And you have to do the whole 75 days. I
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to encourage that if you miss something, allow yourself
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: a bit of forgiveness. Well, yeah, 75 Hard's.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: All about rewiring your brain in a toxic, misogynistic way,
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: It's about... What's it called? What's it saying? Discipline.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole thing of like... There's something about...
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: I actually saw the funniest video on Instagram and it
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: described me perfectly. It was like, do you know how
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of, I hate to be in this category,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: but a lot of men on social media are now.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you call them?
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: They're not quite in the manosphere, but they use Instagram
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: as a business and they funnel everything.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: To their course. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's hard sometimes
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: because sometimes they aren't in the manosphere. But what would
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: you even call, should we create a name for them?
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: Chris Griffin. I mean, what? Cispods. Cispods. Cispods. Cispods. Cispods. Yeah, yeah.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: Because cis means like, so you and I are cis
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: white men.
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: I don't actually know what cis means. It's short for
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: something anyway. I think it's something about being straight maybe.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: But we can call them cispods. Yeah, okay. They're not
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: quite in the manosphere, but they're like on the cusp. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: And I saw some video describing how they get there.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: And it was like, so most of these people start
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: off playing sport quite competitively, but they don't make it.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: They're not quite good enough, which is me. And then
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: they get into the gym.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: They start growing in the gym, start growing some muscles.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: And from the gym, they start to look really good.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: So they get really confident. Then they get some style
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: about themselves. And so they look good. They feel good.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: They think they can take on the world. You know
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: what the next thing they do is?
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: What?
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: They sell a course.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: They start a business. They think that's how I can
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: take on the world. I was like, I'm just lucky
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: enough that our business is like.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: Nice. You know what you got lucky with? Is the
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: fact that we got women listening and not men. True.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: Cause if we got men listening, I think we'd be fine.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: If we, if we got men list, look, I think
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: this is who we are at our core. Right. But
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: I do think if men listened, right. And they gassed
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: up some of the, cause you know, back in the day,
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: we've changed a lot since the podcast has started. If
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: you go back all the way, like we were a
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: bit more in, I'm still very influential, but just like,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: I think having women listen and then comment things about
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: things we say and just explain stuff and then us
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: being willing to listen and change a mindset. I think
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: if it was men listening, maybe that wouldn't have happened.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: So you got lucky. We wouldn't have changed as much.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: You got lucky, mate. You might have jumped on some peptides.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: You'd be tan. You probably would have got a hair
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: transplant even though you don't need it. and you would
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: have started selling it for us. But you're going to
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: get one anyway and we have the girl listeners. No,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: but it's all right. I'm allowed to get one because
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I need it. I was just going to get it
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: because it makes me... I was going to get that
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: straight line so people know I sell it. I want
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: that straight line. Really?
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like the tiny... I want the straight line.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: Your hair looks good. No, but I'm actually not... I'll
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: show the baddies.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Fuck it.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: See, I think you get away with it, hey. Like
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: the way you're... If you shaved your head or if
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: you were a samurai... If I shaved my head, you'd
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: be like... Or if you were a samurai, like you'd
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: be stuffed with your hair tied up. His hair is...
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: I saw a guy at the gym like two days
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: ago and the first thing I thought when I saw
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: this guy was it's time to give it up. He's
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: got hair tied up, right? I'd let it go. But
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: the hair he's got that's long goes from like the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: sort of like his mid crown, the classic thing, mid
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: crown to the back of his head. That's all really
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: long and tied up. The top of his head is
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: like thin, short hair that he's trying to keep. And
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I thought, it's time to give up, bro. Imagine you
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: went out to him and be like, it's time. It's time.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: You ever thought about maybe just shaving your head? Oh, yeah.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about that guy. Oh, yeah. I thought you
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: were asking me a genuine question. It's a good way
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: to get punched. All I do is just like fawn
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: over men these days. You do. Talking about you wouldn't
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: just like, they won't even talk to me back. Luke
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Bateman was the first one. Luke Bateman. I didn't even last.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Night, actually.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: We didn't even mention it. Has Pat not replied to you?
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Still hasn't replied. Oh. But I was too scared to
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: post the video. And I could always message him, but
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I just thought, fuck, ball's in there, cool. Let's play
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: my cards right. You say you're playing hard to get now.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: He's playing hard to get.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: He's playing hard to get.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: He's the one that's playing hard to get. I'm not
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: going to go out there and beg him. I'm not
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: just going to beg you. You were. Well, no, no,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not just going to beg them. I was going
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: to try and start beef on Instagram. Should I go
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: on your pod and say cunt with you? Please, Pat.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I obviously am very influenceable though because so I listen
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to you wouldn't. You're a product of your environment. Now
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I'm saying can't. All right. And then also Beth says
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: that when you and I are together, I end up
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: eating with my mouth open. I'm obviously, I just mirror people.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Actually last night at dinner with Luke Bates, I actually,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: oh my God. So I messaged him asking him to
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: hang out and he goes, yeah, let's do this. So
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I said to Beth on Sunday, I'm going to go
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: get dinner with Luke Bateman. She goes, you could just
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: say Luke. You could, eh? I literally could. She goes,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: you don't know any other Lukes. You could just say Luke, eh? Yeah,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: now he's your friend too. And I was thinking. Keep
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: name dropping. I said, that's valid. I do keep name dropping. Anyway.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: He was talking about last night. In a long-winded way,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: if this has got anything to do with me mirroring people,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he said that he has an anxious
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: attachment style. He does. Opposed to some people have an
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: avoidant attachment style. And so he explained it and he
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: explained pretty much exactly how I am with a lot
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: of people.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: So I wonder if me mirroring is partly to do
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: with anxious attachment. Because actually anxious attachment. What's the connection though?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like, if I mirror someone,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: they're going to like me like subconsciously type of thing.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's like, they're going to
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: have no reason. Like I won't be the one to
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: upset them because I'm, Exactly like them? Yeah, 100%. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Well, because when we lived together, you were way more
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: into the gym.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Because I love the gym.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: And also, we used to surf as well. And now,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not as big a part of your life outside
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the podcast.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: You don't do it. You still gym occasionally, but it
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: didn't stick as much. From the 75 hard starting?
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, what I wanted to say as well about it
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: is you can still sign up for it. Yeah. Join Patreon.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We're on day six as we record this. But join
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in at day 10, 20, 30, whatever. Do the last
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: 50 days. Do the last however many days. And then
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: just be a part of the other one. You know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you got to go on Patreon, of course. It's $ 8. 99
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a month. Worth it. Worth it because you get to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: be part of the crew. We go in there. We
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: have updates all the time. We're having a good time.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: What was I talking about before that?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: You having an anxious attachment style. Could you switch it
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the other way though too because like, In your relationship,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Beth loves dogs.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: You also like dogs. Yeah. And you love them as well.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I just know way more about them now. Yeah, but
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: like you've jumped into the deep end, I would say
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: heavily influenced by Beth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And is it a thing where like it's not a
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: negative thing about it? What could the positive be of that?
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: Because like you just want to support who's in your.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Life and who you like to hang out with.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, actually. I don't think there is
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: anything wrong with being either anxious attachment or avoidant attachment.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I think as long as you're aware of it, that's
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the main thing because it's like you're going to react
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to something kind of without choosing how you react to
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it initially. You're going to feel certain feelings. But if
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you can be aware that it's like, oh, I know
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: in the past I've been pretty bad with avoidant attachment
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: or anxious attachment. And, you know, a situation comes up
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: where you're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're just wigging out.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, I need to make sure I
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: recognize said thing.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm a big believer in if you do
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: have something that is objectively a bad trait.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: People like make it sound like it's bad.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just being able to, like we're all human.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Everyone has like things that they need to work on
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and like no one's perfect. And I think social media
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: has built this false expectation that everyone's perfect.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Whereas in reality, if you have something wrong with you,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the best thing you can do is, especially to people,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: who are close to you, tell them like, oh no,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: this actually makes me really anxious. And I'm like, I'm
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: working on it, but also like I have an anxious
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: attachment style. oh that's so fun oh yeah true.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: It's like don't use it as an excuse for things
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but just there's nothing wrong with having you don't have
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: to be perfect i know everyone feels like they do
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: yeah even if you think about it right like the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: thing with social media is no one has a perfect
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: life but on social media you just post the things
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that are going well yeah no one really posts the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: things that aren't going well And honestly, more often than not,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the people that do post those things are the ones
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that do the best on social media. Yeah, well, it's real.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And that's what life's really about. And I think that's
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: probably one of the worst things that's come from social
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: media is like, it's not real.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Nah. Like people's lives aren't aesthetic.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It's funny too, because you see a lot of people
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: saying like, I saw so-and-so in person and it looked
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: nothing like their profiles.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Obviously.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Like they've taken a thousand photos and they've picked the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: very best one, which I think is good for social
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: media and running a business or whatever.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Obviously, they look like everyone else. Everyone's got a bit
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of fat here or there. Everyone's got a little bit
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of acne. Everyone's a bit skinnier, a bit whiter, a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: bit fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's like, no one's 100%
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: happy with themselves.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: No one walks around with just like a fucking full
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: ripped six pack with who's been sweating on Melanotan in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Bali for three weeks. And then you're like, fuck, he
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: didn't look like that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I know. It's so hard not to compare yourself to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: other people. Oh, it's so hard. It's so difficult.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's also hard to like accept that there's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: things wrong with you.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Beth sent me a thing yesterday that was really,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: really cool. It was a guy actually on TikTok explaining.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: He said like, he goes full transparency when I used
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to see things about women's rights and just the way
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: women are treated, all those things along those lines, right?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He said it used to really aggravate him and piss
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: him off, right? And he'd be like, oh, what about men?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: What about The things that happen to men. What about this?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: What about that? And then he goes on to explain
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that that is called... It's a certain type of thinking.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I might just quickly find it. It'll be easy to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: find because Beth sent it to me yesterday.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: It's like how your immediate thinking deflects.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's called zero-sum thinking. And so zero-sum thinking is that,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: funnily enough, fucking Luke explained it yesterday at an interview
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I watched him in. He did it. I called him Luke.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I really thought about that. So zero-sum thinking is... In
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: terms of, so let's say you're a man and women's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: rights triggers you and you're like, what about men? What
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: about this? What about that? Blah, blah, blah. So zero-sum
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: thinking is in this particular situation is like thinking that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: because women are talking about their rights and things that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: are bad that happened to them. If you're a zero-sum thinker,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you think like that that takes away the bad things
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that have happened to men. Whereas both things can be
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: true at the exact same time, right? Like you are
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: allowed to listen and be compassionate and feel empathy and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: want things to change for women. And you're also allowed
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to feel the same way about bad things that have
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: happened to men.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It should not be in the same conversation almost.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So it's like, it's similar to, let's say you have
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: an argument with a girlfriend, with your girlfriend, right? And
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: she brings something up that's hurt you. And then you go, well,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you did this that hurt me. you know, why, why
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: she's bringing up something that hurt, that hurt her. Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Why are you then, it's like a kind of a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: zero sum, zero sum way to think, to be like, well,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you've done this that hurt me.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And the brain does go there kind of just like that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You get defensive.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got to catch yourself out. I catch
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: myself out all the time if we have a little
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: argument or disagreement. I'm like, no, we're not talking about that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And I haven't talked about it, so that's my problem.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah. It's like it's your fault. Don't just feel
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: like now that stuff's getting brought up, you just get
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to bring stuff up because it deflects. It's just a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: tactic of trying to get them to feel bad, I guess.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: It deflects the issue too, yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Like there's this video, right, of I think that there's,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you know Jordan Peterson?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: There's this video of him like, oh. completely obliterating feminist
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: interviewer okay and so she'll talk about uh she talks
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: about like the effects of patriarchy on women right and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: then his way of completely obliterating her was saying well
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you know everyone in manual labor is men most people
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you always hear that yeah most people in prison are
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: men yeah most people that kill themselves are men And
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that's a zero-sum way of thinking because you're just trying
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to undermine. That makes so much sense of an example. Yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Isn't that fucking like when stuff gets explained to you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in that way, you just think like, we're dumb. We're
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: dumb as fuck.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, the first time you experience it too is just like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a good example or not,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: but like say I have an issue or whatever, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: come to you and be like, I don't know, like
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I've been really sad lately.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And you go, well, there's kids starving in Africa.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the same.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You experienced that in high school.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's not dissimilar, to be fair.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a terrible issue that there's diving kids in Africa.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: But also, I'm still sad.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: It's actually not so dissimilar. That's a good point.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't know it had a name like that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Zero-sum thinking. And it happens with everything, right? Zero-sum thinking
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in the way of maybe, I don't know, a big
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: influencer starts a podcast. And we go, fuck them. That's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: our thing. It's like there's enough slices of pizza to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: go around, you know? Like there's enough. I think you
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: actually bring up a good point right there.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: For some reason, like there really is enough slices of
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: pizza for every single person, for every single industry. But
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: for some reason, we get greedy and we think, no,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: that's our thing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: No, I did that. I did that first.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And rather than help someone or get inspired by someone
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: or talk to someone and say, hey, you inspired me.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: We try and we steal content or we're like, no,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I'm at the top. I'm going to stay here. No
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: one can touch me. Literally.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: We have that mindset, especially in Australia.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Everyone talks about Australia being like that. I feel like
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: this whole world's like that. I agree. Like, is it
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that bad in Australia? Really?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I reckon just like something's going on in Australia.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It's just like.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I can't put in the words what's going on in Australia.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's just bad vibes. People talk about tall poppy syndrome
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in Australia, right? And everyone says it's really bad. And
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: there's all these videos about tall poppy syndrome. There's tall
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: poppy syndrome that. But is it actually that bad is
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: my question. Because genuinely, have we experienced it? Yeah. We
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: lost all our friends because of this podcast. Is that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: why we lost all our friends? Or did we just
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: grow apart? I think it's a combination of both. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: don't think we started the podcast and they just went,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: fuck them. I think, yeah, but it's not as simple
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: as that. It's more like, I think there's a subconscious
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: thing right there. Like they think, oh, Audie and Jake
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: think they're too good for us now. Kind of. So
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that's how it can show itself.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And we don't think that. yeah at all and i
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: think that's what it's just like it's it's it's why
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: i struggle to put it into words this subtle thing
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: where your friends say they want the best for you
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: but when the best starts happening for you they're no
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: longer there yeah how does that make any sense realistically
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they would never tell you but they want you to
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: be doing as badly as they are they want you
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to be doing the same as them or worse yeah
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: 100 and that's also another um we that's another thing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: we learned that is a that's another consequence of patriarchy
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: yeah and i think i don't like like i feel
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: like Tall poppy syndrome is grouping this complex problem into
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: like a simple analogy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And when humans aren't that simple.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And that's when like every single scenario is different. Like
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: some person might be having a car rental business that's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: doing really well. That's his version of tall poppy syndrome.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And then they're saying the same thing with us in
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a podcast or whatever.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's fine. I guess that's fair. We put a question
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: on Instagram a few days ago asking what topics you
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: want to see on the pod. Hell yeah. And I've saved...
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Let me go onto my photos. I screenshotted a couple.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I saved four of them. Okay. Number one I saved
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: was people want us to talk about the women's menstrual
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: cycle phases should be very informative for men and women.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So I actually did a quick search for us and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I looked it up. Okay. Because I know of... I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: was going to put you like, yeah. Yeah, I was
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: going to... I know luteal phase and I know menstruation. Yeah. Menstruation,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: which is the bleeding.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: So I've got it here for us to learn. Okay, good.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: So number one thing I knew was that the cycle,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: women go through a 28-day hormone cycle. Here it says
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: it's 21 to 38. Not every woman is going to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: be the same. Usually a period duration is three to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: eight days of bleeding. So some women can get three days,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: some people can get more, very complex.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You know what we found out the other day, our
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: friend who just had a baby that She told us
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: some people don't get their period back for years after
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: having a baby.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Or you can get it like up to like a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: month after having a baby.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, and the difference.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And once you get it back, pretty much means you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: can go ahead and have another baby if you want. Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And it shows how different people's bodies are. Because like
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a month compared to some people wait 18 months to
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: get their period back.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, bro.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So the four phases. We've got menstruation, one to seven days.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And we've got the cycle begins in the first day
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of bleeding. The unfertilized uterine lining sheds through the vagina,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: which typically lasts three to seven days. Common symptoms include cramping, fatigue, bloating,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and lower backache.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Follicular phase. I've heard the word. I haven't heard that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I've heard the word from a TikTok. No idea what
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: it is. Okay. I haven't heard that. It says days
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: one to 14. Starting on day one and overlapping with menstruation.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: The pituitary gland releases follicle-stimulating hormone, FSH, to mature eggs
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in the ovaries, rising estrogen levels, causing the uterine lining,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the endometrium, to thicken.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: That's very interesting.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I did know this one, actually. Ovulation. Yeah. We all
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: know ovulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That starts at around day...
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The way you said that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: What?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Everyone hears of ovulation. I'm ovulating. We all know ovulation.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Around day 14, a surge in... luteinizing hormone, LH, triggers
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the release of a mature egg from the ovary into
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the fallopian tube. This creates roughly a six-day fertile window
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: where pregnancy is possible. These are all rough numbers, by
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the way. This is all like, there's big ranges here,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I assume. Last one, luteal. Again, I need a luteal phase.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Day 15 to 28, the ruptured follicle becomes the corpus
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: luteum and produces progesterone to maintain the thickened uterine lining.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: If pregnancy does not occur, hormone levels drop, leading to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the start of the next menstrual period.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Not going to lie. That was actually very informative. That
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: was very informative. That was actually informative.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I even just think like women's bodies are amazing.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So here we go, right? Actually, I'm not sure. I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: don't think Beth will mind. Beth got her period yesterday.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So that means that she's on day, pretty much on
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: day two of the 28-day cycle. She's on menstruation, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: also her follicular phase has just begun. So I'm going
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to keep those things in mind. So what's the date?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: In about 14 days, 26th of October, it's ovulation baby.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Do you reckon she would appreciate or be like too
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: much if you go, oh, for my calculation, you're in
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: your follicular phase right now. She goes, I just started bleeding.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And I go, ah, that's menstruation and follicular, all right.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And then I go, wait a second, you know what?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: In about two weeks time- That'll be ovulation. I'll see
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you then. That's terrible. That's terrible. And then so luteal
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: day 15. Okay. So luteal phase, I believe is the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: phase where, because it's actually technically, it's the lead up
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to menstruation, which is the bleeding. I believe that that
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is the phase where women experience, if they're going to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: experience a lot of, I believe the luteal phase is
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: where that is occurring.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I've always thought too, like such a hard thing to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: juggle is baddies.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Let me know.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: What's the best, like if you're running a marathon or
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: doing a sporting event, what's the best phase within your
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: cycle to like do a race or compete competitively, emotionally
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and physically?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Actually, that's a great question. I dare say, I'm going
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to assume the ovulation phase. That's at least just from
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: this short bit of information here, I'm assuming where everything
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is at the most consistent level. Yeah. So I would assume.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And like also in the ovulation phase, we all as
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: men know that that is when women feel their most horny. Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Because we're all disgusting pigs. And so surely, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you're feeling your best. Like in your ovulation, you're feeling
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: your prettiest. Feeling good. You know, you're feeling your horniest. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: You're probably feeling your best all around. I assume that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the best time. You could be right. To be doing
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: like a marathon or training. Logically, that makes sense. As
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a man. As a man. Me over here with my
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: 12-hour cycle. My 12-hour hormone cycle. So that's, hey, baddies,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that's menstruation. We've got the phases down pat.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: If you didn't know, now you do.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Next one. date ideas oh okay good ones and bad
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: ones to avoid let's start with bad ones okay bad
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: ones drive-thru okay are we going date ideas in terms
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of first date yeah let's do bad date ideas for
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: first date go drive-thrus oh okay obviously.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Um well i think a bad date is anything you
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: just don't put effort into okay yeah yeah like you
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: can make any date good if you've shown, you've thought
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: about it and planned something. It doesn't always work out,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: but that's part of the fun.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And being present and thinking like, I'm
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: going on a date with X, Y, Z or whatever. Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And she likes, da, da, da, da, da, da. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you have a couple of things planned.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: That's what I think makes up a good date.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Was it a bad day for you then? I
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: want to say, I actually, in my ignorance when I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: was younger, have done this before. Don't do anything That
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna don't. So this is from a man, right?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking to men right now. If don't invite
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a woman on a first date somewhere where you guys
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: are going to be alone, not surrounded by people. You
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: have to think about how safe she's going to feel.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: So like no Bush walks, right. Go in a public place. Right.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And just like, I want to say, focus on her
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: safety on making her feel safe. Like, Think of places
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: where it's like she's going to be– because like every woman,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, every single woman when
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: asked on a first date, they will be considering their
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: safety the first thing they think of. I would say
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: big tip is like don't go anywhere private. Don't do
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that type of shit.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Also, a lot of the time too, like a first date,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you might already know that I'm going on a date
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: with Jake and he's a nice guy.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. like you've been friends you may know yeah you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: may have known each other for a while so it's
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like yeah i'm talking like yeah yeah i agree yeah
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you know what i mean and i'm not gonna lie
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: in my ignorance before i just thought like oh yeah
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: butch walk would be a great first date we walk
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and talk yeah yeah yeah and then um i just
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: remember maybe a couple years ago learning about the fact
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that like women think about their safety obviously so so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: much because men are historically so violent towards women and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: do things like that um i remember thinking yeah one
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: time i asked a I remember that she came, it
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: was actually, it was good. We had a good chat,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: but like, I remember thinking, dang, she probably thought she
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: got lucky. You're not a serial killer. Yeah. Like she
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: probably thought, is this guy going to steal me? Why
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: is he choosing Bushwalk? I mean, like that's so weird.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Um, so good date ideas. Uh, okay. Good date ideas
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to me. You can choose good ones, like go to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a nice fancy restaurant. Like that'd be nice. Put effort
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: in plan the day.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Um, I always think it's good to have a plan.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's cool.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: A plan is the biggest tick.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I like saying, I like a plan. It's like, let
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: them know the category of attire. I agree. We're going
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to a fancy place. Yes.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Sort of show, not authority.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Like, don't say anything like, if you want.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Kind of be like, I've got a day plan. This
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: is the vibe. This is what I'm wearing.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is kind of the vibe. Put a bit
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of effort into that shit, I reckon. But again, it's like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: What he was saying, a good date could be anything.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I like a bit of like a three-parter.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So you start with maybe like a nice sunset if
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you're a drinker, but I like snacks. And you bring
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: snacks and a little picnic and maybe.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: A little speaker.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You start there and you say dinner reservations at 7.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Go get dinner. And if dinner's good, you then go
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to Sweet Treat after and if.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It's not good. You'd leave. Unfortunately, you go, I got
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to wrap this up.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And I like having something before the restaurant too, because
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it's more personable. And like being in a restaurant, the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: loud noises and me getting to know someone wigs me
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: out a bit. I think it does for both people.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm not in the conversation as much.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I like an activity before dinner. It's the same. Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So I like, so let's say you're going to do picnic.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You could bring painting with dinner or something like that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: An activity, a card game to play with someone. Beth
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and I's first date, we went, we were going to go,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I actually, I did this terribly. We were going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: go aquarium. And I thought, we'll go aquarium because I've
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: never been. Just why not? We'll go look at cool animals,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: cool fish and stuff. And then it's an activity and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: it gives us something to talk about when we go
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: have dinner. And so it was actually closed. I remember that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And so then we went to an arcade. Next best
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: thing in my opinion. Let's be real. We went to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: an arcade. And then we went and had dinner. It
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: really breaks the tension.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: In my opinion. I agree. Yeah. I like the three-parter.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And then make the reservation too.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Make the reservation.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Don't be like, oh, like, oh, we might go to
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the pub after.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, don't just be like, oh, we're going to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: try and walk in somewhere. Yeah. Unless you're in an
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: area where they're just a bunch of places to take walking.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I think also, like, just book it anyway.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's so cool to go up and they go, hi,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: how are you? Yeah, it's a reservation for Jake. Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And they go, then, like, she's thinking, let's go play. Yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a little tip too, like make the reservation something cool
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to do with her name, like something you might call her.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Like for you, it'd be Pickle. Oh, that's when you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: went dating.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like when you're like tuning or whatever, you
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: normally come up with a stupid little nickname.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me think. Yeah. That's a good point. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: called her Casimiro before we'd met.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So I'd be like, I'm booking for Casimiro.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, fair. I'll go booking for Casimiro and then
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: she'd laugh. She goes, you're so silly. Yeah. I hope
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that helps. I hope that helped. Breakup advice.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Rip the bandaid off. Yeah. Do it in person. Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: That's my only advice. Don't do it over text. Don't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: do it over text. Breakup advice. I would say, let
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: yourself feel the feelings.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Distract yourself, of course. Distract yourself. Hang out with friends more.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Go do these things. Distract yourself. Keep yourself busy. If
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you want to go to the gym, this, that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, like actual, like getting over a breakup?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. As in like once you've broken up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, feel the feelings. They're there
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for a reason. You know, you're allowed to feel something.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: That's the whole point of being a human. Don't try
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and just like completely avoid it. Don't heart a man.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: If you're going to cry, cry. Feel that feeling. Talk
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: about it with your friends. I'm feeling this at the moment.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling like at this stage. The other day, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: was angry. you know feel like talking about it and
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: letting it out is gonna be the best way to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: release the emotion well completely I would say I wish
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I talked about my the one breakup that really did
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: hurt me I wish I spoke about it more it
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: feels like such a burden to talk about your problems
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to other people when you're young yeah And like I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: remember going through a breakup and just it consumed me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: But I didn't let anyone know that it consumed me.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Which is the hard thing.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. You just try to act like
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you're fine. Yeah. You just really try to act like
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you're fine. And sometimes you don't always want to bring
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it up because it is like nice. Your friends do
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: help you forget for a bit. Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: That was the best thing about like our friendship group.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of escapism. Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Like from six o'clock till when you go out and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: we used to drink. Like that time I wasn't thinking
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: about my ex ever. it's a great feeling it is
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: a good it's almost addictive too which maybe isn't good
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's good yeah it'd be good.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: To do a healthy habit like i don't know yeah
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: go for a walk 100 no i think so um
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: last one i chose was someone said thoughts on the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: cornell seven and how men can be more active in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: calling out problematic men um i assume you've seen i've
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: seen a bunch of the cornell seven yeah what does
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: she mean by the second part of that she said
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on How men can be more
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: active in calling out problematic men. Right, yeah, yeah. So
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: first off, thoughts on Cornell 7. Fucked. Bro, it's like... Disgusting.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: It's obviously so, so terrible. And we actually... We haven't
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: spoken about it publicly on the podcast at all. And
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it's so... I think the way I feel about it
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and what... it makes you angry. And I think what
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: is sucks is like how, when you think about it,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: so it's like, it makes me angry.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But it's thinking about how women feel because they got like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: their punishment was like writing a fucking essay, bro.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Like it almost makes.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: You feel helpless. It, it would, it makes me feel
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: annoyed that women are like, Oh my God. Like clearly
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: they just give such a zero fucks about us. that
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: their punishment is an essay just explaining what they did
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: was bad, and then they're just chill.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even more, like, obviously the seven people who
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: did it, terrible.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Then there's 52. I think it was like 57 or something.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: 57 who obviously didn't say a single word.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's normal? Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: That's a massive problem in itself where, like, put that
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: on a broader scale.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Like all the things going on in the world and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: like all these comments and you're seeing an insight into
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: men's friendship groups and how men view women.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: And they probably didn't have a second thought that there
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: was something terrible going on right there. And that makes
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: me angry and scared. I'm coming from a fucking man
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and I feel terrible too.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. And it's like, you know, putting in
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the group chat, like free pussy at whatever the fraternity
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: is called. Oh, I don't know how people like that exist.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And so here's something that's been bothering me as well
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: is that people go, oh, there's more info coming out.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: There's more info coming about, about. So Jane Doe is
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: what they're calling the woman, right? There's more info. There's
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: more info. And it's like, oh, she has text messages.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It was all consensual. People saying it was all consensual, right?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And it's like, so to my knowledge at the moment,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it was consensual with two of the men. Right. That's
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to my knowledge. I please like articles in the comments or,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: or correct us if we're correct me if I'm wrong. Um,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: but so people are coming out and saying like, you know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: she gave consent to this, but like when you just
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: talk about how she went back to a fraternity house,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: blind drunk gets given ketamine, right. Her choice to take
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the ketamine of maybe, maybe, you know she chooses to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: take drugs right she's like passed out in what world
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: do you think that even asking a woman to have
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: sex is appropriate let alone if she says yes or
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: not you know and then it's like you mean for
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: hours seven different men went in there and had sex
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: with her and everyone's like oh but it was consensual
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and they're like oh what was she doing there i
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: don't know She thought she was going to have a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: good time. And then she took drugs and fucking passed
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: out and got raped by seven men.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a very, we live in a world
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that's like very just broken in that sense.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: When to answer her question too, she said, how can
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: men talk about it?
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: How can men be more active in calling out problematic? Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: So the one thing, so when we had Luke Bateman
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: on the pod too, he didn't, he couldn't answer it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, Yes, 100% men need to talk about it
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: more and call out their friends. But there's still an
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: issue with like.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: We talked about at the start with men not listening
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to our podcast. If there's no sort of mindset shift
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: or there's no willingness to change.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You're talking on deaf ears.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we want to do our part as
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: much as we can, but we're talking to 95% women demo.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so then we become in two minds of like...
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: why are we just talking to people that know exactly
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about but then again you know there's maybe.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Five and obviously i think it's still you have to
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: do it 100 and that's the right thing to do
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: but then like for us to realize like how can
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: we make a difference and help change those statistics just
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit but like you said the deaf ears
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: aren't listening so you can't fucking help.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Them yeah it's a good point i think that And.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I can't wrap my head around how I would love
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to come with strategies, how you could help.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Him in talking to schools. I think it's something to
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: think about, obviously. And then there's probably people we can
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: talk to about it, which would be really cool. Like
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that Tarung guy on Instagram, we've actually had contact with him.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: We just need to be in Melbourne if we want
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to speak to him. But so I think calling people out,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: not being afraid to lose friends. It's got to be peer-to-peer,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: one thing. Another thing I think is just actually communicating
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: talking about it so like let's just say you and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: i don't have this podcast and we still hang out
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: with our big wider group of friends i think that
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: if you're a man that's just um you know has
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a big group of guy friends and none of you
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: have spoken about let's say this cornell seven situation in
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: particular i think just actually talking about it right and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: all it takes is one of you to just bring
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: up the conversation and be like have you heard of
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the cornell seven everyone's going to say Yeah, I've seen that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Because like, how can you miss it, really? How can
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you miss it? And then it's like, you just have
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: to be, I guess, brave enough for if someone goes, yeah,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sick of fucking hearing about it, blah, blah, blah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: You just have to be brave enough to be like, no,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I think this is so fucked up. Like, what do
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you guys actually think? And if your friends think it's like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: not bad, then you're... it's like you got to just
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: call them out and maybe they're going to shun you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: from the group, but you have done the right thing.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: And hopefully maybe at least one of your friends in
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that group that didn't stick up for you when you
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: were getting maybe bullied for trying to say that it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a bad thing. Hopefully they then also eventually they're like,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I wish I stuck up for him, but I didn't.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: And they're still scared, but then hopefully they become brave
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: enough to then say something.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: And I guess to use the word brave and it
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: feels like it's a brave thing to do to talk
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: up to your friends, but it should be normal.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I know. And, A big thing I've noticed is it's
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like men find it hard to talk about how men
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: are so violent towards women, how men always rape women,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: all this type of thing, right? Men find it so
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: hard to talk about. But when you really think about it,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it's not hard to talk about. Like just saying in
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: your group of friends like, oh, how bad is it
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: that 99% of rape and murder is committed by men?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Just, just talking about it is actually not a hard
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: thing to do because you're just saying words, but then
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: reflecting on it is what men find difficult. Actually reflecting.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: The whole thing with men is they're always right. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: they can't have those conversations and admit that they've done
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: something wrong or something like that. It's that egotistical mindset.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's the zero sum way of thinking. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: think that's what it is. It's like, because they all
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: get defensive. What about men? Or it's not, it's not
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: all men. It's not, it's, Or what about how fucking
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: men are affected? What about how men kill themselves? I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: think it's that zero-sum way of thinking. And then again,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: if you have learned about zero-sum thinking, you can then say, oh, look, no.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Two problems can exist at the same time, guys. Right?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Men can be terrible to women, but men can also
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: be killing themselves. Those things can happen at the same time,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: but I'm just not talking about the men killing themselves
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: right now. That's terrible. But I'm talking about something different.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: That's the best way to put it right there.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like if you're scared to bring something up, then...
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: You just have to, you know, if you really care, just,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I guess, just care. Like, I wish we learned more
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: when we were younger. You know what I'm saying? Because
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I just think back to times where I could have
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: spoken up at certain things. I think back to times
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: where I myself was misogynistic.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I wish we learned younger too, but also like, it's
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: not an excuse, but you need, life experience to understand
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the issues.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just, you know, I wish I could go back.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Part of the problem is those, the people who, the
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: men who aren't listening, those deaf ears aren't mature.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And then here's my other thing, right? Is that's why
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: they don't listen. That's so true. There's always going to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: be men that, unfortunately, there is always going to be
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: men that rape and murder women.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: And so, the only thing with that that I and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: like there's some people that you will just not change
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: their minds they will not hear you and um with
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: that it's like what needs to happen there is the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: governments in my personal opinion do a terrible job at
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: this the um the penalty for that needs to be much,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: much worse. You know what I mean? That's the issue.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I like the parole thing.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the whole, like I was talking to my
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: mom in Canada and she said like, Oh, it just
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: is a well-known thing here that like men in Australia
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: just beat their wives. She goes, people here would just
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that's a thing we've heard from, from
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: when we were young.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: And cause it's really bad in Australia. And so she's
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: talking about it and we go, yeah, we listened to
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: this podcast once. I've talked about it on here. Like
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield had this guy, Dr. Vincent Hurley on. And
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: he said something that would bring the numbers down is
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: if men were not let out on parole for harming
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a woman. Because they get let out on parole and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: quite often then go murder a woman. And it makes
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: so much sense, right? And then Abby Chatfield goes, oh,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. Why isn't that the case?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: And he goes- Because there isn't enough prisons. I've heard
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that before. And so then we said that to mom.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Build them in the middle of Australia. So we said
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: that to my mom. Where it's hot and sucks. My
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: mom goes, oh, you guys just say that in such
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact way. Like, does that not make
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: you angry? And Beth and I kind of thought, yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: we've just like said that as if we've accepted that
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: that's just why. Why aren't, why isn't the government building
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: more prisons?
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: We're already in a trillion dollars of debt. Go build
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: a jail and get another million dollars.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I prefer my threat to be my, my, I would
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: prefer like our debt to be going towards building prisons
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: so that the sentencing for violence against women can actually
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: be proper sentencing and make it. So there's more incentive
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: to not do it, which is insane to say, but
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like, yeah, I don't know.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: That's so I could look a bit of a rant,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: but that's, I guess that's where I am. Right? No,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: that's good.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: And there's, I can finish it on one thing. Oh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Is like the first sort of gateway to all these
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: issues is what men consume online.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And it's a lot of the time actually men on
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: podcasts and they say some misogynistic things and it gets
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of clicks or whatever. And I don't know
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: how to do it. And I don't want to, I
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: don't like putting ourselves on a pedestal and calling out
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: other men and saying we're better than them, but I'd
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: like to somehow figure out a strategy where like, break
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: it down sort of like how you did just then
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: or articulate how Luke Bateman does and you go this
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: is wrong for this this and this this is the
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: effects of what you're saying da da da da da
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: and like duet a video or whatever I've actually thought
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: about because I see I see something they.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Infuriate me oh yeah and.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: These guys are like fucking 30 to 40 year old
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: men with kids and wives and they're talking about like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: how they view women and then like impressionable 18 year
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: old men are saying this and being.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Like he watches the footy I really like him that
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: guy's successful yeah I've thought about is there a video
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: that maybe you make it, maybe I make it, maybe
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: Luke Bain makes it, maybe we need to get a
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: bunch of men to make it.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: But I've always thought of this video in the last
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, I've thought that I want to post
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a video where you started off with like somehow get
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: through to people where it's like, okay, so this video
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: is for men and this video is for, I want
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: this video to be shared to men that have just
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: said like, not all men or just that have just
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: said like, I don't care about this because it doesn't
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: affect me type of thing. It's like, I want this
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: video to just live around here forever. And just, I
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: want people to save it. And I want, I just
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: want you to send it to someone who you think
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: needs to hear it. True. Right. And then you just
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: go through and you explain like, Oh, saying not all
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: men is stupid for this reason. Like just explain it. Like,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: don't say you're a dumb, like you're a terrible human.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Just like explain it. Like, this is why it's bad.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: And so we need to figure out a way how
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to play the social media game where it gets the
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: reach it deserves. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, just, Bashing
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: men clearly isn't going to work because of how defensive
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: we are. Thanks for the topics, Baddies.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. But it's time for one
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: of you to sign off the episode. If you want
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: to get called by Jake or myself, the link will
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: be in the description. Jake, today, who are we going
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: to call?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Tim?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Hello.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Is this Tim?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, you're speaking to Tim.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Tim, it's Jake and Adi from the Relatables podcast. How
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. Sorry. You probably thought it was a scam call,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: didn't you? You sounded so suspicious, Tim. You were like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: this is Tim speaking. Anyway, Tim, we wanted to ask you,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: did Odi say a couple of weeks ago to you
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: that he was going to call you back?
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago. About a month ago, I think.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: But we did say you were driving to uni and
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: you told us, that you had some notes but you
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: couldn't get to them and you just signed it off quickly.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Was that correct?
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I believe so, yes.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: We've called the right person. Do you have access to
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: your notes?
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I do have access to my notes.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's go. Tim, would you like to sign off
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the episode?
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: Fuckin' hell if I do, man.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Tim, we've called two men for the past two weeks.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Any chance you're over 6'5? Yeah.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I am not over 6'5, unfortunately.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Because last week we spoke to Brady and he's got
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a very deep voice. And we've said, oh, and your
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: voice is deeper than Brady's.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought you could be massive.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Nah, mate.
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: Asian parents will let me down on that part.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: At least you got the deep voice. Bro, it's deep.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. Anyway, okay. What do you
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: got for us? What do you got for us?
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I believe it was the riddles that you guys were
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: looking for.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I love a riddle.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I've got two very simple ones, but I think it'll
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: be worth it. Okay.
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: So the first one is, if 11 plus 2 equals 1,
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: what does 9 plus 5 equal? If 11 plus 2
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: equals 1, what does 9 plus 5 equal?
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: If 11 plus 2... You said easy.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Equals 1, which is 11... 9 plus 5 equals 2? Yeah,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: is it 2?
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Is it 2?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Or 3?
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: It's 2, yeah. Based on the clock.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Let me just say something.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: That was a guess.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Wait, what?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I just guessed 2, but why is it 2?
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: It's 2 because it's based on the clock.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Oh! Not going to lie, I didn't think clock. I
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: just was like... I didn't clock that.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't... Bro, that's a generational guess.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: That is a generational guess. Let's be fair. Okay, do
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: you have another one?
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: If tomorrow was Saturday, yesterday was what?
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: If tomorrow was Saturday, yesterday was.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Thursday.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: What?
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're too smart, bro.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That was a guess. Why?
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Because it made sense if you listened to it.
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: You were just guessing. That was another generation of guessing.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't get it.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Okay. I didn't get it. Dang, Tim, mate. Tell you what.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Get some more riddles and if someone doesn't pick up,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: we'll call you. We'll call you for a riddle. Save
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: this number.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: Save the podcast now, guys.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Third host. All right. Thanks, Tim.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: All right, you guys. Have a good one.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: You too, mate.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Dang. Dang.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: You guessed that second one. No, it made sense. So
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: he said if tomorrow was Saturday. Yeah. I forgot. I
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: forgot what it was. That's when you asked me to repeat.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I forgot what the riddle was. That's why I didn't
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: say anything. Anyway. We love you baddies. Stay bad.