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Legally Brunette: Updates on Diddy, Bryan Kohberger, Alex Murdaugh & More · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys. Welcome to Legally Brew Net. I will be
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  Speaker 1: your host today, Emily Simpson and Shane. Okay. So today
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  Speaker 1: we are doing an updates episode because obviously as I'm
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  Speaker 1: scrolling along in my newsfeed, I see so many different
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  Speaker 1: updates on these cases that we've talked about. So I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to just do an episode where we just kind
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  Speaker 1: of talk about some of these cases that we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about previously and just get them kind of up to
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  Speaker 1: speed where they're at.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Are you ready?
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Let's start out with, and we did this
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  Speaker 1: episode a while ago. So this is Tupac Shakur's murderer,
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  Speaker 1: Dwayne Davis. So we didn't do a full like Lili
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  Speaker 1: Bruna episode on Tupac's murder, but when we were covering
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  Speaker 1: the Diddy case and the Diddy trial, we talked about Tupac. Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So nearly 30 years after Tupac Shakur was shot near
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  Speaker 1: the Las Vegas strip, Dwayne Keffie D, Keffie D, Davis
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  Speaker 1: was sentenced. This just happened Tuesday, October 13th. He was
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to 40 years to life in prison for orchestrating
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  Speaker 1: the murder.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the update? He's still in jail?
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  Speaker 1: No, he was sentenced.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he was sentenced since?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh. You don't get to take a man from
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  Speaker 1: his family. That was the quote from Clark County District
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  Speaker 1: Judge Carly Kearney. She told Davis this before sentencing him.
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  Speaker 1: She added that it took us 30 years, but justice
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  Speaker 1: had finally arrived for the September 7th, 1996 shooting. Where
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  Speaker 1: were you in? I know you like to go back
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  Speaker 1: in time.
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  Speaker 2: Where was I in 1996? Tell me where you were
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  Speaker 2: in 1996. School.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you had to have been in college. You graduated
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  Speaker 1: from high school in 1993, right? So you were in college.
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to come around in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see. You were just hopeless and wandering around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Where is she? When will she come?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Davis will receive credit for 731 days that he has
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  Speaker 1: already served for drug charges. A jury convicted Davis, he's
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  Speaker 1: now 63, of first degree murder on August 31st after
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  Speaker 1: deliberating for less than three hours. He had waived his
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  Speaker 1: right to a jury sentencing. Davis, a former Southside Compton
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  Speaker 1: Crips leader, remains the only person ever charged in the
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  Speaker 1: death of Shakur, who was 25 at the time. For decades,
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  Speaker 1: this case was cold. No weapon was recovered. Witnesses stayed
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  Speaker 1: silent and physical evidence faded away. Prosecutors ultimately built their
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  Speaker 1: case on Davis's own public statements and interviews, documentaries, podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: and a 2019 memoir in which he claims to know
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  Speaker 1: the real effing story behind Tupac Shakur's murder. I remember
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  Speaker 1: talking about this when we were covering the Diddy trial
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  Speaker 1: because this man basically put himself in prison. They had
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  Speaker 1: no evidence and yet he continues to talk about how
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  Speaker 1: he knows what happened and he wrote a book about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and now he is sentenced 40 years to life.
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  Speaker 2: And then he used the proceeds from the book sales
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  Speaker 2: to pay for his attorney to defend himself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many proceeds he got from his
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  Speaker 1: 2019 memoir.
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  Speaker 2: I wish more criminals would write books about their crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like all those unsolved crimes out there. Could someone
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  Speaker 1: write a book about JonBenet?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, his publishing company needs to go around to these
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  Speaker 2: other criminals.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and be like.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to confess.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors argued that publishing the book voided an earlier proffer
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  Speaker 1: agreement that had protected his statements to police. And Kearney,
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  Speaker 1: this is the judge, allowed both the memoir and his
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  Speaker 1: police interviews as evidence. Prosecutors did not claim Davis fired
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  Speaker 1: the shots. They said he directed the attack as retaliation
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  Speaker 1: for a fight earlier that night at the MGM Grand.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen footage of that when there was that
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  Speaker 1: fight at the MGM Hotel in Vegas?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that actual, like the actual... surveillance footage of
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  Speaker 1: that um this was a fight that took place between
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  Speaker 1: shakur's entourage and davis's nephew orlando anderson as shakur was
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  Speaker 1: shot and died six days later in vegas so that's
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  Speaker 1: the update on that case i guess so you know
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  Speaker 1: everyone's always talked about how it was never solved and
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  Speaker 1: now here we are tupac shakur's.
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  Speaker 2: And no one seems to really even it's not like big.
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  Speaker 1: News stuff Well, I know it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It was a big deal when it wasn't solved. Then
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  Speaker 2: when it was solved, it was like, eh. Yeah, I know, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what a, like, runt, runt, runt. Yeah. Yeah, like,
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  Speaker 1: you're right. In the 90s when it wasn't solved, and
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  Speaker 1: even early 2000s, it was always like, who killed Tupac Shakur? Like,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a big deal. And then now that
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  Speaker 1: we have solved it and the man's going to prison,
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  Speaker 1: there was very little media attention about it at all. No.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, here I am asking you. I was saying,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it solved already? I didn't even know what was
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  Speaker 2: going on. No.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: And we covered it. And I still didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: was going on. That's how not covered it is in
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  Speaker 2: the media.
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  Speaker 1: It's really not covered. I just saw it. I saw
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  Speaker 1: it probably because my algorithm on Instagram is just true crime.
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  Speaker 1: So those things pop up in my algorithm. That's probably
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  Speaker 1: why I saw it. What's your algorithm? What pops up
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  Speaker 1: on your Instagram?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean nothing? There has to be something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't explore Instagram. You look for things in Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: I look at who I follow and see what they're
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  Speaker 2: up to. I don't look at random people's internet or
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  Speaker 2: go to the Explorer page.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't just like go like this?
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  Speaker 2: No, doom scroll, no. That's you. That's not me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I do other things, toys time, but not that. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Let's move on to another case. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Diddy because we were just talking about Diddy a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Sean Diddy Combs.
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  Speaker 2: Still in jail. Still in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Still in prison. But he has been transferred from a
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  Speaker 1: low security prison in New Jersey to a low security
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  Speaker 1: prison in Pennsylvania. The Federal Bureau of Prisons has confirmed
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  Speaker 1: his move.
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  Speaker 2: Is he like on tour among the prisons? Yes. He's
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  Speaker 2: going from prison to prison? Yeah. He's doing little meet
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  Speaker 2: and greets?
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  Speaker 1: Little meet and greet, yeah. He has a little step
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  Speaker 1: and repeat he takes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A little red carpet. He takes photos.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a fan fest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The transfer came about two weeks after NBC News reported
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  Speaker 1: that Diddy had access. I love this part. He had
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  Speaker 1: access to phones, liquor, and other contraband at Fort Dix.
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  Speaker 1: He allegedly paid inmates to clean his room and give
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  Speaker 1: him massages and was involved in two fights. Diddy is
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  Speaker 1: just Diddy even in prison. He's like. Is there baby
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  Speaker 1: oil all over his prison cell? I don't know. And
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  Speaker 1: he's got inmates giving him massages. He probably has an entourage.
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  Speaker 2: Massages.
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  Speaker 1: I bet he has an entourage in prison. I bet
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  Speaker 1: he has like a personal assistant.
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  Speaker 2: If you're in prison and you're a prisoner, right? You're crooked.
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  Speaker 2: You're in prison.
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  Speaker 1: You're a crook.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to follow some other prisoner that you've
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  Speaker 2: never heard of? Or are you going to follow a P. Diddy? Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's.
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  Speaker 1: Is he P.
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  Speaker 2: Diddy?
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  Speaker 1: I think he's just Diddy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what his name is.
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  Speaker 2: He's Prison Diddy.
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  Speaker 1: He's P. Diddy. Prison Diddy. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I love that he's just like still trying to
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  Speaker 1: be Diddy, but in prison. So he's like has massages
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  Speaker 1: and an entourage and he has cell phones.
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  Speaker 2: If I had money, I guess I'd pay for a
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  Speaker 2: massage too. What else are you going to do? And
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  Speaker 2: what's the cleaning yourself? Like how does it get dirty?
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  Speaker 2: Like the dishes pile up and laundry needs to be done?
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  Speaker 2: Like what is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's all the baby oil from his massages. I guess.
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  Speaker 1: A local prison union official told NBC that the move
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  Speaker 1: was due to disruptive behavior. They probably were like, this guy,
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  Speaker 1: we got to get him out of here.
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  Speaker 2: He's delegating and creating responsibilities for others in prison. He's organized.
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  Speaker 1: That's one way to look at it. It is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And what's that say about Pennsylvania?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he moved to Pennsylvania. I know.
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  Speaker 2: Where did he move from? Florida? So it says Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, we know how to crack down and keep
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  Speaker 2: these criminals in line. You don't, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: He went from New Jersey to Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: But again, unless it was more like just remove him
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  Speaker 2: from the environment.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were like, we have to send him
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  Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania where it's like more low key.
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  Speaker 2: Are the masseuse going to sue him? Do they have
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  Speaker 2: a contract with him?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. These are good questions. All right. According
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  Speaker 1: to NBC, Combs lost 41 days of good conduct credit.
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  Speaker 1: Prison records now list his release date as March 2nd, 2028.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of the January 2028 date originally expected.
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  Speaker 2: So they take it back.
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  Speaker 1: They're making him stay two months longer now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know because he's not.
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  Speaker 2: No, they took away his ability to have good credit, right?
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  Speaker 2: He had good credit for getting out 41 days earlier.
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  Speaker 2: They took it back. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So now he has to stay until March of 2028.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like when you give kids something, never mind,
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  Speaker 2: give it back. You don't deserve it. Yeah. So that's
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  Speaker 2: what they did to him. Right.
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  Speaker 1: 2028 doesn't seem... I mean, that'll go quickly. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's almost 2027.
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  Speaker 2: Ask him that if it's going to go quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's getting massages in his room clean.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's... He'd rather be in a... Does he
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  Speaker 2: have money? Like, is he broke? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he still has considerable assets. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: move on to, this is a case that we did.
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  Speaker 1: We did an episode on this. This is the Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: cheerleader who killed her newborn baby and that she was
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  Speaker 1: recently sentenced. Do you remember we did this case?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't she claim that the baby was a stillborn,
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  Speaker 2: so she really just hid a dead body as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to kill the baby?
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Laken Snelling. She's 22. She's a former
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  Speaker 1: University of Kentucky cheerleader, and she was sentenced October 16th
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  Speaker 1: to 10 years in prison for the death of her
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  Speaker 1: newborn son. Snelling was arrested back in August of 2025
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  Speaker 1: after her roommates noticed blood in her room and heard
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  Speaker 1: unusual noises, then called police. Do you remember that her
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  Speaker 1: roommates said that they heard like banging going on in
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  Speaker 1: her bedroom? And then she got up and she went
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  Speaker 1: to McDonald's to get breakfast. And then they heard noises
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  Speaker 1: in her room. And then that's when they found.
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  Speaker 2: Which lets you know it happened before 1030.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So they stopped serving breakfast at 1030.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you've established a timeline just based upon
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's breakfast. Yes. The baby was found wrapped in a
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  Speaker 1: towel and a trash bag in her closet. Lexington police
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  Speaker 1: said he died of asphyxiation. In August of 2026, Laken's
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  Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to first degree manslaughter abuse of a corpse
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  Speaker 1: tampering with physical evidence and concealing the birth of an
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  Speaker 1: infant in court she said the baby came unexpectedly while
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  Speaker 1: she was under heavy stress and she admitted i deprived
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  Speaker 1: him of oxygen I don't know. Ten years in prison
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  Speaker 1: seems like nothing, considering that she gave birth to this
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  Speaker 1: baby and had complete disregard for its life.
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  Speaker 2: She killed the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Ten years in prison? I mean, first of all, she'll
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  Speaker 1: probably end up serving five. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but even if it's a full ten years,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. She killed the baby. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Ten years.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why that sentence is light. Is it
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  Speaker 1: because they feel badly because she was young and It's
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  Speaker 1: like she didn't know what she was doing or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Lake and Snelling is being held at the Fayette County
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  Speaker 1: Detention Center while she likely awaits transfer to a state prison.
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  Speaker 1: Prison records list a possible parole date of February 21st, 2034,
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  Speaker 1: which would shave off two years of her sentence. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so really we're just, it's like eight years and she's young.
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  Speaker 2: Does someone like that start a family? Yes. At any
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  Speaker 2: point in life? Probably.
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  Speaker 1: She'll probably get married and have kids. The family of
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  Speaker 1: the baby's father, his name is Isaiah Hall. He spoke
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  Speaker 1: at the sentencing. The baby had been named McCoy Cade Hall.
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  Speaker 1: Isaiah said he didn't wish the worst on Snelling, but
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  Speaker 1: that the loss hurts in a way that is unexplainable.
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  Speaker 1: His mother in tears described the birthdays and milestones the
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  Speaker 1: family will never share with their grandson.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So that is the Kentucky cheerleader. She is heading off
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  Speaker 1: to prison. for likely probably eight years, which doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: like a lot. So, all right, let's move on to
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger and the Idaho four.
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  Speaker 2: Let's update about him.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. Um, he made a virtual court appearance and
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  Speaker 1: it was set for October 15th. It was canceled after
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  Speaker 1: judge Stephen Hippler issued an order vacating the hearing. The
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  Speaker 1: order says the hearing will be reset, but gives no
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  Speaker 1: new date. The hearing was meant to address Koberger's bid
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  Speaker 1: to disqualify the judge from From overseeing his request for
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  Speaker 1: post-conviction relief. Remember, he wants a new trial. He's claiming that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't understand his agreement. Remember, he took
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  Speaker 1: a plea deal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was saying, he wrote that note to
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  Speaker 1: the judge and was saying he wanted a new trial
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  Speaker 1: and that he didn't understand basically like what he was
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  Speaker 1: agreeing to. And so now we're in this stage of
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  Speaker 1: like all these hearings and his trying to get a
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  Speaker 1: new trial. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They want to make sure they don't violate his rights, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like he pleads guilty and they need to understand the
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  Speaker 2: consequences and therefore it's an invalid plea or something. So
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  Speaker 2: they got to double check everything.
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  Speaker 1: In a separate amended order, the judge also canceled a
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  Speaker 1: status hearing and an evidentiary hearing that had been set
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  Speaker 1: for June of 2027. Koberger's team can ask the court
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  Speaker 1: to schedule those after August 2nd of 2027 and either
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  Speaker 1: side may object to the new timeline within 14 days.
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  Speaker 1: in a handwritten petition filed in July, Koberger claimed that
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  Speaker 1: his lawyers were ineffective and that his guilty plea was
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  Speaker 1: not voluntary, alleging that it was driven by unkept promises
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  Speaker 1: and threats from his counsel. I don't know what those
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  Speaker 1: threats were or what he claims. I just think he
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  Speaker 1: went to prison and then thought he was going to,
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  Speaker 1: like he was going to have some.
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  Speaker 2: Rockstar life.
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  Speaker 1: Cushy lifestyle in prison. And then when he realized.
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  Speaker 2: He thought like people were going to clean his cell
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  Speaker 2: and give him massages. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then when he learned that he wasn't having like
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  Speaker 1: a ditty prison experience, that he's a criminal.
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  Speaker 2: Probably when the fame, if you can call it that.
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  Speaker 1: The notoriety.
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  Speaker 2: The media attention started to die.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And he's just like a regular prisoner with a number.
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  Speaker 2: He's just an inmate.
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  Speaker 1: That has to, you know, eat. in the mess hall
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't have, you know, I don't know, access to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of things. And then he's like, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, this isn't what this is supposed to be like.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't agree to any of this. So now he's
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  Speaker 1: claiming that this plea deal that he made was involuntary, involuntary,
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't agree to those terms and that his attorneys,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like he was under duress and they pushed
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  Speaker 1: him to do something or agree to something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting because if the judge says, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I guess sides with him and he gets
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  Speaker 1: a new trial. Remember he never, there was never a
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  Speaker 1: trial because he took the plea deal, which took the
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  Speaker 1: death sentence off of the table. And so for me,
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  Speaker 1: it was disappointing because this was such an interesting case
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  Speaker 1: with the four roommates in the house.
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  Speaker 2: And you remember the, you kind of wanted to see
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  Speaker 2: it unfold in court.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because there were so many, there was a gag order.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, you might still see it unfold in
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  Speaker 2: court then, right? And then does that mean death penalty
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  Speaker 2: would be back.
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  Speaker 1: On On the table.
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  Speaker 2: On the table.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would assume if he wants a new trial,
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  Speaker 1: then there would be a trial. Right. Prosecutors have moved
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  Speaker 1: to dismiss his petition. Before pleading guilty, Koberger had signed
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: a written statement admitting responsibility for the killings and acknowledging
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: that they were premeditated. As part of this plea deal,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Koberger gave up his right to appeal, so a petition
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: for post-conviction relief is his only route to a trial.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: If a trial is granted and he is convicted of murder,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: he would likely face the death penalty. I actually hope
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: he gets a new trial. Yeah. I would like to
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: see the trial.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: And he gets the death penalty.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: And I would like to see him get the death penalty. Yes.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: And there were so many things about this case. I
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: had so many questions about it. And I remember thinking, well,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: when it goes to trial, a lot of these questions
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: that I have, there might be answers to because there
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: was a gag order and a lot of people weren't talking.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: But then a lot of the... After he took the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: plea deal, there was so much evidence that kept coming out.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Do you remember? Like all the autopsy reports were released
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: and then all the crime scene photos and like all
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: this plethora of information just kept coming out once he
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: took the plea deal. And you know that house was
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: destroyed too. They just knocked it down.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you? No.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I would, but if he's retried, there's no way to go.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Back and look for... Oh, you're talking about evidence, like
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: a crime scene?
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: There's no way to go back and.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about as a property owner. No.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, wouldn't you?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, as a property owner, yes, but as
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: a wealth of evidence, maybe it was a little premature.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe, unless they gathered everything and they documented everything, and
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: there's not much more to gather.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: No. All right, let's move on to Alex Murdoch. This
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: is another fascinating case.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Why does that guy need to be updated? Isn't he
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: in jail still?
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: No, because he's getting... Remember, his conviction was thrown out
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: because the clerk of court... Oh, yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: What was she doing?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Messing with the jury? She was messing with the jury.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: It was jury tampering.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: You know what they need to do? They need to
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: get all these characters like Murdoch and P. Diddy and Kohlberger.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: And put them all together in jail?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: And put them all in the same prison. And then
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: just put it on TV like 24-7. Just have some channel. Yeah. Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: That would be a.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I would watch that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I would watch that. Yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: It'd be like... It says Celebrity Big Brother. It'd be
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: like Prison Big Brothers.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I would love that. Can you imagine Diddy trying to
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: get a massage from Kohlberger?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Let them beat each other up and.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: See who's top dog. Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good... You should pitch that.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: All right. Life during lockup.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Life during lockup.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Celebrity life during lockup.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Celebrity lockup.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdaugh's second double murder trial will move out of
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Colton County, South Carolina. On Friday, Circuit Judge Deborah McCaslin
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: ruled that he couldn't get a fair trial... in Colton
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: County and ordered the case moved outside the state's 14th
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: judicial circuit. She hasn't yet chosen a new County Murdoch's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: lawyers want Charleston because it has the largest jury pool.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors object to the cost and logistics and McCaslin. This
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: is the judge noted that Colton County, which she described
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: as poor will pay for the retrial. The judge also
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: ruled that prosecutors may use Murdoch's testimony from his 2023
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: trial to but only the parts relevant to the killings
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: of his wife Maggie and son Paul, which occurred back
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in June of 2021 and subject to the rules of evidence.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: This case is so interesting for me. I told you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted to take a field trip to that. Remember,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it's that house with the dog kennel with all the land.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Is it still there as is?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Someone bought it and put millions of dollars into it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: But you could still see bloodstains.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Remember he shot millions of dollars and they didn't wipe
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the blood? I don't know.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: You could still see like blood and brain matter or
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: something in the dog kennel. Remember he shot, well, he
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: allegedly shot the son and the wife. And remember he
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: said it wasn't him and he wasn't there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the case. But you're telling me there's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: blood splatter still there. Well, that's what I heard. Despite
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: there being a new owner dumping millions of dollars into
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the property.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe they didn't clean the dog kennel. That's where
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: they were shot.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know. They cleaned up the house and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: remodeled the house and like the land and put money
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: into it. I don't know if there's a new owner yet.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I need to look into that, but that house is
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: definitely on my legally brunette road trip.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And I added a new house.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What's that?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It's the case. We did the Michael Peterson, the staircase,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: that house.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I want that house on the field trip too. And
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I want to look at the staircase. All right. Yes.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And the Menendez house is definitely on it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Can I push you down the staircase so we can
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: recreate it and see if you have seven blunt force
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: trauma marks on your head?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: And see if I get any owl feathers in my
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: head on the way down?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll reenact it. Why don't I push you and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: then we'll see what happens?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Well, that wouldn't be accurate.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right. Back in 2023, Murdoch testified that he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: did not shoot or kill either his son or his wife, stating,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't shoot my wife or my son anytime ever.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But he admitted to lying to police for 20 months
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: about being at the dog kennels on the Moselle estate
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the night of the murders. Remember, he said he wasn't there,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: but then it was the Snapchat. His son had made
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a Snapchat.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that placed him there.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: That placed him there at the time.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Prior to their deaths. Right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: His retrial is set for April of 2027.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: That guy's locked up, right?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I hope it's televised. Yeah?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You want to watch that one? Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. This is Laura Owens. Remember
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: we interviewed Clayton Etchard. He was the 26th season Bachelor star.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Remember we had him on.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that in the news. What's going on?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: So Laura Owens, who's 36, was sentenced on Friday, October
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: 23rd in Maricopa County Superior Court to 30 days in
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: jail and seven years of probation.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: All that for 30 days in jail?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She had admitted to faking pregnancies and forging medical
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: records to hold on to relationships with men, including Clayton.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And like I said, he was on The Bachelor. In August,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: she pleaded guilty to felony fraudulent schemes, perjury, and identity theft.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And 30 days in jail is going to make her realize,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't do that anymore. I'm not going to.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: 30 days in jail?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: It's a waste of time. time and money to go
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: through all this headache just to put her in jail
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: for 30 days.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: The case first began with a family court dispute. Owens
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: claimed that Clayton had fathered twins with her after a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: 2023 encounter. I like how, let's call it an encounter,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: because remember, they didn't even have sex. Yeah, and I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: was like, well, how did he, like, how was she convincing?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And she later claimed that she had miscarried. In 2024,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Judge Julia Matta found that Owens had faked sonograms and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: records and lied under oath. You know, we also learned
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in another case that we did, it was the one
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: where the woman faked the pregnancy, that there are websites
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: where you can just get fake sonograms. You can just put, like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you know, dates and names and stuff in, and then
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it gives you, like, a fake sonogram.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And see, that's the people the feds should follow, those clients. Yes.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Why are you buying baby sonograms?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Or do you remember the case where there was the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: arson and the man and the woman, do you remember?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: She had a fake mask made that looked like his ex-girlfriend.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Like you submit a picture or something. Yes.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And then they made a mask and she wore it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Those people need to follow too. Right. Because you have
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: no business wearing a mask like that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: With someone else's face.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. I mean, that's really scary when you think
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: about it, that you could just upload pictures of me
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: onto that website, and then they mail.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: You a- There could be two of you? That is scary.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: That is scary, I know. Then someone could do that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and then they could mail you a silicone mask with
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: just my face, and they could put it on.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: That's your next housewife party. Yes. You just wear each
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: other's faces.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I'd be down for that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: You would find that entertaining, wouldn't you?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: In 2024, Judge Julia Matta found that Owens had faked
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: sonograms and records and lied under oath. The judge ordered
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: her to pay records legal fees and referred her to prosecutors.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: The prosecutors charged her in 2025, then added charges over
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a similar false pregnancy claim involving another man that she
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: dated in Scottsdale in 2021. Those charges included using other
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: women's identities. Before sentencing, Owens apologized, telling the court, quote,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I genuinely wish I had made better choices and hadn't panicked.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, she has a pattern, though.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It's not like she just did it one time.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. She's doing it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: To multiple men. Clayton Eckerd asked the judge to jail
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: her and argued that she wasn't truly remorseful. I don't
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: find her to be remorseful either.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, is six months going to do anything? Is
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a year really going to do anything? She's got kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of a sick behavior.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Judge Jeffrey Rauter acknowledged the emotional and financial harm that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: she had caused. He said he would not send a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: possibly mentally ill, nonviolent, first-time offender to prison, so he
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: sentenced her to 30 days. I guess it's 30 days
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in jail. You know what Luke asked me the other day,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: which is a smart question.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: The difference between jail and prison?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the difference between jail and prison?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Jail is state. Prison is federal.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So usually if it's 12 months or less, you're in jail.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: If it's more than that, you're in prison.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: But does jail mean like a local facility with like less,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, restrictions or– I think of jail, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: think of like at the police department where they just
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like take you over and just kind of.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Like lock you. Yeah, don't you know what our jail
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is for Orange County? You don't know where it is?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: You don't know anything about it?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: No, I've never been to jail.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You don't have to go to jail to know about
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: your local jail.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know about our local jail.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: It's called Thiel Lacey. It's in the city of Orange.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: You drive by it probably a lot. It's by the block,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the Orange block. I don't know. There's a Krispy Kreme's.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And a BJ is nearby.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Is that why you think I should know about it?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Because there's a Krispy Kreme nearby?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Is that your point? Your words, not mine. Okay.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I did not know about the jail.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's what a jail is versus a prison.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And then a prison is a large facility that's federally
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: funded and operated by the government.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: So now you can go back and tell your kid
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: what the difference is and you can sound smart.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I did try to explain it to him.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: How do you explain it?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I basically said jail was like a local little jail cell,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: like at the police department where you just go in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: jail and you don't stay there very long. And I said,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: prison is like a large, huge building where you go
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: for a long time. That's how I explained it to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: an 11 year old.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Very good.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: All right. Um, so he said he did not want to,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: because she was a nonviolent first time offender. I'm surprised
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: that there wasn't some type of therapy or something as
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: also as her sentence.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Um, Right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Like 30 days in jail.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Or like a ban on dating apps.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Or like, you know how you have to, if you're
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a sex offender, you have to be like registered. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: feel like she should be registered as like a.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: A registered single woman. Like. Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Identity theft man manipulator person.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Pregnancy faker.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Pregnancy faker.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: There should be pregnancyfaker.com where she has to register.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Beware when you date this woman. Your
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: first encounter, you might get her pregnant.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And you don't even have to have sex with her.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It might even be twins. She's up for twins.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Very fertile. Yes. All right, let's move on to Krista Pike.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And we have done a couple episodes on Krista Pike.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Members of the team that tried to execute Krista Pike
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: worried that her veins had blown during the procedure. This
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: is according to an October 22nd court filing by her attorney,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Randy Spivey. The filing says the team used about 10
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: needles to set up IV lines in her arms before
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: giving her two doses of pentobarbital.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Why do you need 10 needles? Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, anytime I've gotten an IV, and I've had
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: several IVs, it's one needle. Like, one needle.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: But do they mean they tried 10 times? I don't know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: It says 10 needles to set up IV lines.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe they need to hire a different, like, execution team.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Clearly they need a different execution team.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And they need some continuing education or some programs to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: teach these people.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: How to do it. You know, you always talk about, like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the A team or the B team. This is, like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the D team. Mm-hmm. Pike, who is 50 years old,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: had feared they would have trouble finding her veins. She
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: kept breathing and made choking sounds after the drug was given,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and then she was hospitalized in critical condition and on
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a ventilator. She remained unconscious in early October. That's funny.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: They tried to kill her, then they tried to save her.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It's like they don't know what to do. It's like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they tried to kill her, and then they– remember I
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: told you how they put the rock out like she
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: had died? Like that was the signal to like the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: people behind the glass?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That shows you what kind of people were dealing with.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: And then they took the rock away.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: The kind of people were dealing with, they use a
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: rock to send a signal?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's like a thing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: A sign or I don't know, or like use words?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Or like a digital sign that's like– Gone or deceased. No,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: they used to rock. They placed a rock out. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: don't know. Which seems so medieval to me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Like the curtains, the black curtains, they shut them and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: then they open them.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Would you go to... No. If you could,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: if you had access to see someone die by lethal injection,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: would you go?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: No. No? No. You would. You want to add that
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to your tour?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I would put that. That would be the first stop
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: on the tour. I would do that. I mean, I
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: don't know if I would enjoy it, but I would go.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: It would be for research purposes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Pike
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: regained consciousness in early October and has since returned to prison.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: She is walking more on her own and speaking in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: full sentences.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: She's like, I never thought I'd be happy to be
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: back in prison.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm back.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I'm home.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Hello. Did they... Did they have like a welcome back
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: party for her?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Was there like a sign that said welcome home?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: They thought they'd never see her again. They're so happy
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to have her back.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I wonder if her cell was still available or did they.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Did she have to like pack up her cell? Now
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: she has to like... Did she move to a different
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: cell now? Did she throw away things and think, well, geez,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: if I knew I was going to live longer, I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: would have kept it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: You're right. Because if you feel like... If you think...
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: this is your last day on earth.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You would have just.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And then, and then what did they do the second time? No,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you already had your last meal. Don't you remember? Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: You don't get another one. Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: You don't get two bites at the apple.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Her long-term outlook is uncertain. Robin mayor of the death
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: penalty information center. That's interesting that there's a death penalty
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: information center.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Full-time job. How many employees are there?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: She told the New York Times that the case is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: unlike any other botched execution in the modern era.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: In the in all the botched executions we have this is.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: By far this is a bad one this is by
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: far the worst one and they don't know what to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: do what do they well isn't a.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Botched execution they're all bad like like some are like
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: yeah that wasn't too bad they kind of survived when
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: we killed them later.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I think maybe because before her, that same prison had
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: tried to execute another prisoner.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I know, but I'm saying they rate their botched executions.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a 10 out of 10 on the scale.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: This is by far the worst botched one.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Because now she's just back in prison. It's like, what
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: do you, do you schedule it again?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: She's still alive. That's how it's botched when they're alive. Right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But what do you do from here? Do you schedule
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the execution again and try again?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I mean. Does she have to get medically cleared again?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Or do you, if you're her defense attorney, do you claim.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Like double jeopardy or something? She has the biggest I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: told you so. Yeah. So I said I wanted a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: firing squad. You didn't listen.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I think she wanted a hanging.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Right. Hanger.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hanger. Right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Can you botch that? You just let him hang longer?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: If it's the same team, probably.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Probably. They're like, we had 10 nooses and he failed.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to our last update. This
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: is Nick Reiner. A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: allowed Nick Reiner.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: This is the producer's son?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, yeah, producer, actor. Has allowed Nick Reiner, who
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: was jailed in connection with the killings of his parents,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner. He is allowed to receive
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: up to $ 300 from his trust fund. The money goes
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: into his jail commissary account, which pays for things like food, toiletries,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and writing supplies.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Writing supplies? Is he a pen pal?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe he has pen pals. The order lets successor trustee
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Jody Pius Montgomery deposit money into the account as long
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: as the balance never goes above $ 300.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Wait, is this like every month he gets it? Is
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: this like... total he got from this trust fund money.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Well, the trust fund is worth millions. And I guess
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: they're just saying he's allowed to access it just for commissary.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know he wants to access it for
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: his defense. And originally we know that he thought he
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: could access it because he hired Alan Jackson. Remember Alan
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Jackson was originally his defense attorney.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: And then he was like, until he didn't get paid.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And then he was like, I'm no longer his attorney.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And that's because he couldn't access any money in this trust.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: According to TMZ, the account can be refilled once it
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: runs out, so the limit is a cap on the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: balance at any one time rather than a monthly allowance.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The broader fight over the trust continues with the next
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: hearing set for December. The trustees say California's Slayer statute
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: would block payment if Reiner is found responsible for the deaths.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: They also argue he agreed to leave the money in
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: trust by not claiming it when it came due. His
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: probate lawyers countered that the trust clearly required a first
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: payment on his 30th birthday in 2023. Reiner, who is
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: now 33 and represented by a public defender, says that
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: he wants the money to hire a defense attorney. He
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty to the stabbings at his family's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Brentwood home last December. He has also denied a lying
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in wait special circumstance allegation, which could lead to life
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: without parole if he is convicted. District Attorney Nathan Hockman
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: has said his office will not seek the death penalty.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I assume they're not seeking the death penalty because of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the mental issues that he clearly has.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: You know, expressed. Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I think it's well documented that he's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: been in facilities and had mental health issues and concerns.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't really don't understand how the Slayer
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: statute works and maybe you understand it better than I do,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: but it says you can't receive the money. Like if
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you've been convicted or found guilty, but if he hasn't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: been found guilty, can he, Is that the argument that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: he could access it?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I think the trust would be frozen. I would. If
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I was one of the siblings, I'd be like, no,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: hold on to that money. Don't distribute it until we
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: have an answer. Right. That's what I would do.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And then if he's found not guilty, then he could
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: make the argument that he could access the trust. All right. Well,
• 33:45
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• 33:50
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