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Americans for Prosperity Donovan O'Neil -- 4/15/26 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Seven thirty one to Thinking about Fair CD talk station Brian
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  Speaker 1: Thomas with Americans for Prosperities. Don One returns every week
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  Speaker 1: at this time talk about a variety of issues AFP's
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  Speaker 1: working on, which helps us help them work on matters
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  Speaker 1: that are very important here in the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Donovan, welcome back. I understand.
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  Speaker 1: Uh you hail originally from Boston, the birthplace of the Revolution.
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  Speaker 1: Good for that. That's you take pride in that, I imagine,
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  Speaker 1: don't you, Donovan?
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, sorry, I gave the producer the wrong info there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually we're in Boston, all of them annual all
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  Speaker 3: staff meeting, and no better place to meet right than,
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  Speaker 3: especially in America's center fiftieth birthday than Boston, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 2: No, okay, I'm a buck eye all the way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I always thought, So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna blame Sean McMahon for that, just to pass along
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  Speaker 1: the road. But you're at least in Boston. We can
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  Speaker 1: talk about the tea party along those lines. Anyhow, don
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  Speaker 1: On Neo got multiple issues to talk about today. How
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  Speaker 1: about this the working family tax cuts? The name I like,
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  Speaker 1: but I know how names are in terms of legislation
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always mean what it says.
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  Speaker 2: What's this one, Donovan, Well, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know this was the the the what you know started
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  Speaker 3: out about eighteen months ago, two years ago as the
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  Speaker 3: you know, fiscal cliff. We were really you go back
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  Speaker 3: about eighteen months, right, we were facing the expiration of
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  Speaker 3: the twenty seventeen Trump tax cuts and a number of
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  Speaker 3: other increases due to the passage you know, last fourth
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  Speaker 3: of July of what was then known as the One
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  Speaker 3: Big Beautiful Bill. But you know, it's very much become
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  Speaker 3: apparent as the working family tax cuts. Folks are seeing
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  Speaker 3: more take home pay this or more, a greater return,
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  Speaker 3: i should say, this year for on their tax bill
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  Speaker 3: than ever before. And that you know wasn't guaranteed. Congress
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  Speaker 3: had to act, and we know how difficult it can
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  Speaker 3: be to get Congress to do any dang thing these days.
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  Speaker 2: But because they did, more families, working.
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  Speaker 3: Families, especially because of the no tax on tips, no
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  Speaker 3: tax on overtime provisions, are keeping more of their harder
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  Speaker 3: and money, and with affordability continuing to dominate the conversation,
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  Speaker 3: at least Washington, Washington isn't getting more of that money,
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  Speaker 3: even as American families are working to make ends meet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, normally, if you look at history, lowering taxes ends
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  Speaker 1: up producing more revenue for government. There's incentive to work,
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  Speaker 1: you get to keep it, which causes businesses to expand
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  Speaker 1: hiring to happen more people then paying into the income tax.
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  Speaker 1: It all makes perfect sense. But the Democrats will scream,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, we're you know, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: for once point of the deficit, we need more tax
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  Speaker 1: revenue to come in to cover the nut that we spend. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out that way. But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess since we have tax cuts down of it, and
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  Speaker 1: of course it's going to come along with a contraction
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  Speaker 1: of government spending.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's the problem right now is we've got a
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  Speaker 3: we don't have a revenue generation problem in this in
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  Speaker 3: the country and the state, even in the local communities
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  Speaker 3: around our state.
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  Speaker 2: We have a spending problem.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, starting with good foundational economic policy,
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  Speaker 3: like letting people keep more of their hard earned money
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  Speaker 3: so they can you know, invest or spend it the
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  Speaker 3: ways they know best rather than some bureaucrat in Washington, DC.
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  Speaker 2: That's the good economic costs we need.
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  Speaker 3: But we then need folks to start restraining that spend
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  Speaker 3: in Washington, and you know that's that's the tough part.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I would like to think and it
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  Speaker 1: seems to be the case, you know, reading more and
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  Speaker 1: more articles about people rejecting property tax increases and the like.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get the property tax later in this couple of segments,
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  Speaker 1: but that people are realizing they're not getting much of
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  Speaker 1: a bang for the dollars taken from their paycheck, and
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  Speaker 1: that maybe maybe we're on the brink of some big,
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  Speaker 1: great eye opening experience here. The American taxpayers are fed
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  Speaker 1: up with government spending a lot of money, most notably
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  Speaker 1: on epic fraud, waste, and abuse. You cannot support fraud, waste,
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  Speaker 1: and abuse in government and more, more and more reports
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  Speaker 1: of billions and billions of dollars. I mean, would if
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  Speaker 1: we just got rid of fraud, wasted abuse, maybe you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have to cut down the money amount of money
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  Speaker 1: government spends on any given program, but at least start.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, I think again, being here in
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  Speaker 3: Boston going along some of the Freedom Trail yesterday with
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  Speaker 3: my colleagues and co workers and AFP, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: founding fathers Decoration of Independence, Bill Wrights, Constitution. These are
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  Speaker 3: the things that are fundational organization. And so you know
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  Speaker 3: the problem here, right, and why I share all that
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  Speaker 3: with you and your listeners is we've gotten way out
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  Speaker 3: of line from what our federal government should be doing, right,
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  Speaker 3: if it was really just focused national defense, you know, roads, bridges,
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  Speaker 3: just you know, the stuff that makes sure that people
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  Speaker 3: can be prosperous and succeed rule of law. Right, but
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  Speaker 3: it's so out of wack we can't even you know,
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  Speaker 3: go back to like the USAID the funding, right, how
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  Speaker 3: hard was it? How much pain was extracted just to
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  Speaker 3: be able to get rid of a billion dollars? And
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  Speaker 3: not just from our friends on the left who are
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  Speaker 3: kicking and screaming over it, we had Republicans, Brian, and.
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  Speaker 2: I know maybe we shouldn't. Well, if we can't.
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  Speaker 3: Even agree to eliminate you know, billion, clearly unnecessary flying
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  Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with the American people.
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  Speaker 2: Are how are we even.
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  Speaker 3: Going to get to the big stuff like Medicaid, Medicare,
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  Speaker 3: social Security, that's a FED reform so they can work
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  Speaker 3: for the people one thousandth percent of the trillion, Well,
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  Speaker 3: we have how many trillions?
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  Speaker 2: Of dollars extra.
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  Speaker 1: Do we spend every year couple of trillion, so slicing
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  Speaker 1: slicing one one thousandth of a trillion off the budget?
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  Speaker 1: Is that difficult? Yes, we have a major problem on
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  Speaker 1: our hands. Donald O'Neil, let's bring it back and talk
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  Speaker 1: about a potential flat income tax here in a state
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  Speaker 1: to have Donald O'Neil on the program Americans for Prosperity,
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  Speaker 1: which you can find head. Of course, Americans for Prosperity
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  Speaker 1: dot org can get the commentary on the previous topic
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  Speaker 1: we talked about with donov and the working family tax
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  Speaker 1: cut and pivoting over in order for Ohio to remain competitive,
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  Speaker 1: and the numbers absolutely bear this out. Timing couldn't be better.
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  Speaker 1: Editorial board of The Wall Street Journal op ed titled
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  Speaker 1: The Growing State Tax and Jobs Divide pretty much illustrates
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  Speaker 1: the exact thing we're talking about here. If you look
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  Speaker 1: at the breakdown it the states that have massive taxes
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  Speaker 1: individual taxes fourteen point eight like in New York, California
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  Speaker 1: thirteen point three. We could go on, and then you
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  Speaker 1: compare those states that have either no or very low
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  Speaker 1: income taxes and compare that to the job growth private
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  Speaker 1: job growth. Gee, it's the low tax states that have
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  Speaker 1: ballooned in growth, while the very high tax states Minneapolis, California,
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  Speaker 1: New York, Massachusetts, the usual cast of characters have all
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  Speaker 1: lost significant private jobs. Why because people have moved, they
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  Speaker 1: have gone to low tax states. Can Ohio compete at
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  Speaker 1: its current income tax rate?
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  Speaker 3: Donovan O'Neil, Well, no, we don't, but we've done good
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  Speaker 3: work over the last you know, ten to fifteen years,
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  Speaker 3: going from nine tax brackets down to where we are
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  Speaker 3: after last year's state budget of a flat rate of
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  Speaker 3: two point seven percent of fact bran. It's been noticed
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  Speaker 3: nationally ALEC, the American Legislative ex Change Council just release
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  Speaker 3: their Rich States Poor States Index for twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 3: and Ohio bumped up eleven spots on Economic cappitlook right
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  Speaker 3: from the middle of the Midwest to nearly you know,
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  Speaker 3: top ten in the nation. But here's the problem. Here's
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  Speaker 3: where the gap is. It's at that local level, but
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  Speaker 3: on the state level. I will stay there for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Ohio is making meaningful form. We've always said, if you
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  Speaker 3: can get to a flat tax break here in the
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  Speaker 3: state of Ohio. It's the lowest in the Midwest, the
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  Speaker 3: second lowest in the nation. It puts us on a
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  Speaker 3: trajectory and a pathway to getting to becoming a zero
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  Speaker 3: percent income tax state.
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  Speaker 2: And what that.
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  Speaker 3: Means, Brian, right, is more money in the pockets of
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  Speaker 3: family working in Ohio. Instead of bringing jobs an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to state through you know, corporate welfare programs, or having
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  Speaker 3: to entice or provide tax debatements to companies to get
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  Speaker 3: them to bring their jobs to our state, we can
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  Speaker 3: tell them your employees are going to have a better
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  Speaker 3: quality of life, keep more of their hard and money
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  Speaker 3: they get at your you know, by working for you.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the kind of stuff, Brian, that makes Texas, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 3: in Florida right, for many many years economically economic powerhouses
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  Speaker 3: because they don't have personal income tax, among other things.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, So now I'm listening to government of Wan
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  Speaker 1: and a bunch of other elected officials and Columbus screaming
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  Speaker 1: and you know, like but, but, but but but if
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  Speaker 1: you keep lowering taxes and you've got to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of property taxes, how are we going to keep government funded?
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  Speaker 1: Is this not a mechanism to starve the beast and
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  Speaker 1: force it into some sort of financial and fiscal responsibility,
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  Speaker 1: or are we going to be facing disaster as they explain,
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  Speaker 1: we will be, you know, that's what they say.
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  Speaker 3: It'll bring about disaster. But the reality is, like we
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  Speaker 3: just talked about, right, it's the lack of curbing action
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  Speaker 3: when when when people see more of their harder and
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  Speaker 3: money it finds its way back into government coffers through
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  Speaker 3: other forms of revenue like sales tax and otherwise. And
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  Speaker 3: we haven't even had to increase our sales tax in
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  Speaker 3: order to accomplish that, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: It's just people have kept more their harder.
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  Speaker 3: And money and choose to invest and spend it in
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  Speaker 3: their communities. Here's how we do it too, because you
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  Speaker 3: know a few years ago when we embarked on this
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  Speaker 3: at AFP emitted our number one priority to move Ohio
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  Speaker 3: to a flat income tax, which thinks so our activists
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  Speaker 3: and volunteers, we've been successful in doing that. We did
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  Speaker 3: a study with the Buckeye Institute, a great thing tank
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  Speaker 3: get gray and ray on from time to time that
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  Speaker 3: there were a number of different ways you can do it,
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  Speaker 3: but the one that we've been advocating for that brings
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  Speaker 3: about the least amount of pain and is really how
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  Speaker 3: all these other states around the country are beginning to
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  Speaker 3: move was zero percent is just don't grow the budget
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  Speaker 3: so much, Brian. Instead of growing the state budget, Instead
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  Speaker 3: of growing the state budget right seven percent by anium
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  Speaker 3: over by anium like we have done, how about we
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  Speaker 3: just grow it by three three and a tie it
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  Speaker 3: to inflation something like that. Right, you can still spend
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  Speaker 3: more in Columbus, and they.
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  Speaker 2: Have believe it, or you believe it. They have.
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  Speaker 3: But if we just don't grow it so fast, you
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  Speaker 3: can actually begin to buy down that income tax because again,
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  Speaker 3: the money through that, through that economic good economic policy
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  Speaker 3: finds it way back into state and local tax revenues
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  Speaker 3: to provide the essential services and even the unessential services.
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  Speaker 2: Brian. That you know, the state of Ohio and our.
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  Speaker 3: Wonderful local governments across the state provide us well.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of local governments, are the ones probably the
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  Speaker 1: biggest concern about gannering of property taxes. Also the elected
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  Speaker 1: officials are going to have to grapple with the reality
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  Speaker 1: of it. Let's talk about property taxes, because Okay, we
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  Speaker 1: lowered the income tax, that's great, We're more competitive. What
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  Speaker 1: would happen if we got rid of the property taxes,
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  Speaker 1: which is the ballot initiative that's circulating around. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: have some time to talk off the top of our news.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, though, Donald and O'Neil for Americans for Prosperity,
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  Speaker 1: going through the tax related issues. We talked about the
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  Speaker 1: working family tax cuts. We talked about the flat income
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  Speaker 1: tax two point seventy five, lowest in the Midwest, making
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  Speaker 1: Ohio more competitive. Oh a miracle of miracles. If we
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  Speaker 1: only got rid of property tax, don them, and we'd
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  Speaker 1: be very competitive. Every bidying his brother would want to
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  Speaker 1: come to the state of Ohio because other states have
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  Speaker 1: been able to do it. How is it that Florida
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  Speaker 1: is able to manage without these taxes and still has
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  Speaker 1: a booming economy?
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  Speaker 3: Donovan, Well, they one of the things that we've been
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  Speaker 3: looking at toon pointing out especially relative to the property
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  Speaker 3: tax crisis so many people are dealing with right now.
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  Speaker 3: Is the amount of local government, so below your federal
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  Speaker 3: below your state. You know, your cities, your townships, your villages,
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  Speaker 3: your school boards. Florida has half the local governments we have.
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  Speaker 3: We have thirty nine hundred and they're somewhere around nineteen
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  Speaker 3: hundred political subdivisions serving the people the state of Florida.
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  Speaker 3: We have big government, Brian, not in Columbus and DC,
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  Speaker 3: although it's there for sure.
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  Speaker 2: The big government problem.
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  Speaker 3: Facing the state of Ohio is the amount of local government,
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  Speaker 3: you know, administering programs, projects and spending across the state
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  Speaker 3: of Ohio. It's duplicative, that's burdensome. And when you look
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  Speaker 3: at that same Rich States Poor States rankings, the combined
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  Speaker 3: top marginal rate, the top personal income tax rate actually
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  Speaker 3: puts US at twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big part of that is local income tax provisions.
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  Speaker 3: So local taxation is what's dragging and holding our state back,
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  Speaker 3: and we've got to change that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I understand the concept, I understand the challenges, but
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  Speaker 1: how does one reduce the number of local governments? Because
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  Speaker 1: you and I both know it's gonna be a big
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  Speaker 1: turf battle. I'm not giving up my fief, dumb, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not giving up mine. We face this all the time. Hell,
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  Speaker 1: we can't even get local law enforcement to help each
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  Speaker 1: other in fighting crime. So everybody wants to protect their
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  Speaker 1: own turf. So how do we lower the number?
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had a lot of conversation with lawmakers about there's.
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  Speaker 2: No silver bowl, there's no solution. But the good news is, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's a couple of pieces here. One. This is something.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't a new phenomenon.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, if you recall, you go back about fifteen
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  Speaker 3: years ago to the two thousand and eight housing crisis
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  Speaker 3: and the recession, the Great Recession we had, that was
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  Speaker 3: a time where we actually conducted studies. Again, Buckeye Institute
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  Speaker 3: put out a great report. The state of Ohio was
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  Speaker 3: really focused on streamlining shared services and consolidation. But the
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  Speaker 3: political willpower just wasn't there to do a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the things we needed to do.
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  Speaker 1: And so, as you know, folks, social Security is running
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  Speaker 1: out of money like in five minutes. There's no political
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  Speaker 1: willpower to fix something that so many Americans have counted on.
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  Speaker 1: Basebon promises from government. Now there's no political willpower to
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  Speaker 1: do that. So I'm sorry that I've already chucked it
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  Speaker 1: into the room, into the realm of fixing social security.
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  Speaker 1: But this sounds like an exercise of futility to even
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  Speaker 1: try it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what I think is different that we didn't have
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  Speaker 3: then that we have now is we we have a
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  Speaker 3: new generational lawmakers.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that our organization, our activists have been
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  Speaker 3: dialed in on for a number of years and so
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  Speaker 3: and it's not just us, but it's other coalition partners
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  Speaker 3: like the Buckeye Institute, folks like the Chamber and fib
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  Speaker 3: not to you know, speak on the behalf, but this
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  Speaker 3: is something that has been talked about for a long
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  Speaker 3: time and I think you know, we've dialed in on
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  Speaker 3: the pain point is there as well. Right, not to
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  Speaker 3: quote rama Manuel, but the you know, don't let a
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  Speaker 3: good crisis ever go to waste. The reality is people
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  Speaker 3: are experiencing pain and they are demanding reform through property taxes.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason your big part of your property tax
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  Speaker 3: problems out there is because of the amount of these
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  Speaker 3: local governments. Couple that with you know, the opportunity we
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  Speaker 3: have next year to have a you know, a governor
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  Speaker 3: or reform minded governor like of a Viake Rama Swami
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  Speaker 3: rector presenting the state of Ohio. You've got somebody right
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  Speaker 3: who unders who comes from the private sector, isn't entrenched
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  Speaker 3: in you know, years and years of Ohio public policy making.
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  Speaker 3: He's motivated to make Ohio the economic engine of the Midwest. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So we've got the right ingredients. We need to be
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  Speaker 3: ready to capitalize on that, though, so that we can
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  Speaker 3: unleash prosperiting opportunity here in the state.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's say vig Ramaswami's proposal roll back property taxes
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  Speaker 1: where they were in twenty nine team pre COVID and
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  Speaker 1: then cap them at the rate of inflation max. So
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  Speaker 1: we got rollback coupled with the cap on inflation. I
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  Speaker 1: guess do the math on how much inflation has gone
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  Speaker 1: up between twenty nineteen and then today, but presumably it
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  Speaker 1: will be a lower amount. How about this local government
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  Speaker 1: problem that doesn't go away, meaning there's these thousands of
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  Speaker 1: local governments that will still be scrapping over the reduced
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  Speaker 1: amount of property taxes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, correct, And that's what I've That's what I've been saying,
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  Speaker 3: as I've travel around the state meet with different groups
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  Speaker 3: talking about this issue, is I said, look, let's run
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  Speaker 3: two scenarios. You're one scenario one, our friends who want
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  Speaker 3: to eliminate property taxes in the state of Ohio are successful.
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  Speaker 3: The voters amend the constitution eliminate the ability for property
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  Speaker 3: taxes to be levied in the state. But in that scenario,
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  Speaker 3: when that happens, we still have twenty four billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: in local government spending. That doesn't go away overnight. Right,
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  Speaker 3: And quite frankly, you know, I'm up. I want to work, travel,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: my wife and kids are at home. I like to
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: know that the Mansfield Police Department are funded in case
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: some that happens at my house and my wife needs
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  Speaker 3: a law enforcement to show up.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But let's go with the other scenario.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say the voters decide to reject that proposal. They
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  Speaker 3: decide to reject the constitutional amendment. We don't eliminate property
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  Speaker 3: taxes in the state. We still have this fundamental problem
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  Speaker 3: of thirty nine hundred political subdivisions extracting twenty four billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars in tax money from the people of the state
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  Speaker 3: of Ohio, and a property tax crisis that hasn't yet
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  Speaker 3: been addressed. The problem here, the foundational problem that we're
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  Speaker 3: zeroing in on, right is the amount of government we
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  Speaker 3: have in the state at the local level, and that
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  Speaker 3: we need to drive policy reforms and solutions that are
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  Speaker 3: going to incentivize or motivate towards consolidation, towards shared services,
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  Speaker 3: and towards eliminating duplicative layers of government that are just
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  Speaker 3: gunking up the works here in the state of Ohio
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  Speaker 3: and keeping us middle in the Midwest on these large
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  Speaker 3: national state ranking reports.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Donald Nell from America's for Prosperut You're always there
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  Speaker 1: to help by listeners get engage and help them participate
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  Speaker 1: in the reform process. What you call to action for
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  Speaker 1: our listeners this morning, Donovan, Well, first off, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go drop a little tea in the Boston Harbor in
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  Speaker 1: honor of our fathers today.
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  Speaker 3: Well, before I leave down, what you can do back
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  Speaker 3: home right now, go to Buckeye blueprint dot com take
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  Speaker 3: action today. That's our vision for a Boulder, better Buckeye State.
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  Speaker 3: Buckeye Blueprint dot com. Can you have a great work, Donovan.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk again next week. Have a great uh great
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  Speaker 3: today in Boston. Throw some tea in the harbor there
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  Speaker 3: for me too, and safe travels in the return journey
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