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SMNTY Classics: Clue · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff Never Told You, a production by
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  Speaker 1: Heart Radio. And we're back with another classic that is
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  Speaker 1: a movie we did a while ago, Clue. The reason
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  Speaker 1: this was on my mind was because I know Samantha
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  Speaker 1: is making a horror, a tortured face. Tim Curry. We
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  Speaker 1: lost Ollie Parton and Tim Curry back to back.
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  Speaker 2: They were both 80, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He's been in so much stuff. He's a
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  Speaker 1: queer icon because of Rocky Horror Picture Show. And this movie,
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't seen when we watched it, but it's such
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  Speaker 1: a fun... it's like a Halloween vibe, but he just,
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  Speaker 1: he was so great at embodying. He knew the assignment.
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  Speaker 1: He knew exactly what the assignment was.
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  Speaker 2: He was an actor through and through with a gift.
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  Speaker 2: He could play an evil character. He could play a
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  Speaker 2: demon character. He could play a musical character, but he played,
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  Speaker 2: he also understood comedy. And this is in the era,
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  Speaker 2: like he was with some of the like big hitters
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  Speaker 2: in this movie. And he was, phenomenal in his comic
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  Speaker 2: timing and this is one of those movies i grew
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  Speaker 2: up loving it was one of my favorite movies as
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  Speaker 2: a child and holds a dear place in my heart
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  Speaker 2: and my heart hurts but i'm so glad we watched
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  Speaker 2: this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i am too i am too you know i
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  Speaker 1: talk about it in here in this episode but i
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  Speaker 1: got that ribbon at dragon con i didn't understand And
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  Speaker 1: you immediately were like, this is Clue. We need to
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  Speaker 1: watch Clue.
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  Speaker 2: You must know what this is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, and I've said before, jokingly, but the way
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  Speaker 1: he says pizza in Home Alone 2, he should have
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  Speaker 1: won an Oscar. The derision in his voice, in that
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  Speaker 1: one word, it communicates so much.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. It's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. So... Very sad about this news, but please enjoy
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  Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome. And we are doing another classic for our
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  Speaker 2: feminist movie. Not exactly feminist movie.
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  Speaker 1: Movie.
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  Speaker 2: That I will talk about with feminism. Is that how
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  Speaker 2: we're going to do it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I would classify this, and so would a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the listicles that I have found, as a fall classic.
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  Speaker 2: So this is why we kind of picked one. And
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  Speaker 2: as we enter 60-degree weather in Georgia, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I've been wearing a cardigan. I see you're wearing a sweatshirt, Annie. Congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: It's that time of year. We decided we would pick
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  Speaker 2: a fall movie, and we are doing the 1985, yes,
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  Speaker 2: 40-year-old movie, classic, Clue, which we referenced before.
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  Speaker 1: We did, and you recently helped me solve a mystery.
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  Speaker 1: of a ribbon I got at Dragon Con at this
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  Speaker 1: quote I didn't recognize. And you were like, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: that is from Clue.
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  Speaker 2: I immediately knew what it was. And again, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: this is not necessarily a feminist movie at its core.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, there are several things in there that would
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  Speaker 2: be like, eh, that's really sexist. However, there are some
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  Speaker 2: good bits to.
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  Speaker 1: It, including.
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  Speaker 2: The comedy genius from the likes of Madeline Kahn, who portrays,
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  Speaker 2: in the iconic line you're talking about, this dark, foreboding widow, Mrs. White.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's empowering, for sure. Even Miss Scarlet's character.
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  Speaker 2: I also think that there may have been some queer
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  Speaker 2: awakenings through this movie. Because there were moments that I
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  Speaker 2: had some feelings. I was like, wait. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily qualify myself as queer because... But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's sexy. You know, like, I remember
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  Speaker 2: those scenes as sexy, even though they're not really sexy,
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  Speaker 2: because of Miss Scarlet, specifically, more than anybody else. All
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  Speaker 2: of that to say, yes, I think her lines were
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  Speaker 2: always delivered with quick, dry wit outside, again, of the flames,
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  Speaker 2: the flames. But that was purposeful, comedic timing. And we
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  Speaker 2: love it. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you play Clue growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. That was one of my favorite games. I
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  Speaker 2: played by myself, actually. Did you have a character?
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  Speaker 1: I do sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Miss White. I was Miss White all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Miss White.
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  Speaker 2: Even though in the game she's portrayed as the maid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like the very kind of matronly, on the
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  Speaker 1: box cover at least.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I went with Miss Peacock usually.
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  Speaker 2: She was the matronly one to me. Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Peacock. I think I just liked her... Her outfit. It
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  Speaker 1: was purely aesthetic.
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  Speaker 2: I did find it funny that they referenced it in
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  Speaker 2: the movie as colors for like coding rather than the
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  Speaker 2: actual colors they wore, which happens in the game. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: moving on.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to go ahead and jump right into
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  Speaker 2: this because I want to talk about it. about things
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  Speaker 2: things that i didn't catch on as a kid versus
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  Speaker 2: today and the way that i yes it's more sexist
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  Speaker 2: than some but not as bad as you would think
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  Speaker 2: there is some little bit like anti-queer but not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: anti-queer just more confusing yeah it holds up pretty well
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  Speaker 2: and i feel like it's kind of interesting how they
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  Speaker 2: portray socialism anyway going on so This movie is based
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  Speaker 2: off of the successful 1943 board game Clue, which is
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  Speaker 2: a who, with what, and where murder mystery featuring the
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  Speaker 2: characters of Colonel Mustard, Mr. Green, Mrs. Peacock, Ms. Scarlet, Ms. White,
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  Speaker 2: and Professor Plum. Apparently, this was a game that was
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  Speaker 2: by a British creator. But the movie decided they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do all those political views and so placed it
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  Speaker 2: in New England in the 1950s. So this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of the differences here. This group is led by Butler Wadsworth,
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  Speaker 2: played by the amazing Tim Curry, who was apparently a
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  Speaker 2: third choice.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, to play that character. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The crew, they are all invited to a mansion under
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  Speaker 2: mysterious circumstances, each receiving a letter with an alias, as
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  Speaker 2: these names are not their real names, even though they
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  Speaker 2: adapted them very quickly, by the way. They receive invitations
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  Speaker 2: to a not-so-exciting dinner party. Yes. I will say, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like Knives Out was like an ode to that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. This was very much like, you know, murder mystery
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  Speaker 1: games you play and you like listen to the tape
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  Speaker 1: yes yes now you figured this out yeah well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah i was gonna ask because i did i
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  Speaker 2: buy you a star wars clue game or did i
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  Speaker 2: see one and think i should buy that for you.
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  Speaker 1: I believe you bought one somebody bought one for.
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  Speaker 2: Me i think i bought it for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes i have a lot of versions of glue do
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  Speaker 1: you have you played it I have opened it up
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  Speaker 1: and looked at it because I'm always really interested. If
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  Speaker 1: you've ever played like Clue and another property, it's really
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  Speaker 1: interesting because it'll be like, I don't know. It was
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  Speaker 1: Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon with a blaster. And
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  Speaker 1: you're like, Han Solo killed this person. Like it could
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  Speaker 1: be like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This doesn't match. Oh, BT-dubs. Did you know that Carrie
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  Speaker 2: Fisher was initially supposed to play Miss Scarlet?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But she ended up going to rehab. Oh. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I guess good for her.
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  Speaker 2: Good for her. But also, huh, that would have been
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  Speaker 2: an interesting couple. Anyway, going back, y'all are everywhere already.
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  Speaker 2: And as they come together, we meet the cook, the maid, Yvette,
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  Speaker 2: and again, Wadsworth, the butler that buttles, so he says.
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  Speaker 2: We find out they all are from D.C. and have
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  Speaker 2: some type of secret. After a lovely dinner of monkey's brains,
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  Speaker 2: which we later find out that's what it is, and
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  Speaker 2: it's Mrs. Peacock's favorite, We have the arrival of the
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  Speaker 2: main guest, Mr. Body. They are then ushered into the
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  Speaker 2: parlor for some cognac and revelations. Turns out all of
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  Speaker 2: them are being blackmailed for different things, and Mr. Body
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  Speaker 2: is the one who's behind it all. What? Wadsworth advises
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  Speaker 2: that the police have been called, and they should all
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  Speaker 2: report Mr. Body, that he has all this evidence, and
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  Speaker 2: if they don't report him, that he will just hand
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  Speaker 2: over those evidence anyway. Hmm. But Mr. Body isn't having that. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: After a short-lived attempt to flee the premises, he comes
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  Speaker 2: back with gifts for the guests. A candlestick, a wrench,
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  Speaker 2: a pipe, which, by the way, that would be a
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  Speaker 2: really disappointing gift, a rope and a revolver. After handing
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  Speaker 2: out these gifts, he gives an alternative to Wadsworth's plans,
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  Speaker 2: kill Wadsworth, and everyone walks away. He turns off the light,
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  Speaker 2: and we hear a gun go off and a scream.
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  Speaker 2: Several screams, I think. When the lights are turned back on,
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  Speaker 2: we see Mr. Body lying on the floor, who Professor
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  Speaker 2: Plumb declares is dead. And by the way, he is
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  Speaker 2: a psychiatrist, so he's supposed to be a doctor as well,
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  Speaker 2: but no longer practicing, which is why he's being blackmailed. Ah.
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  Speaker 2: The panic sets in and everyone is acting confused. Who
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  Speaker 2: did this? As it turns out, the bullet actually missed Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Body and was probably not the cause of death. confusion.
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  Speaker 2: Wadsworth then reveals this was his plan, getting them all
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  Speaker 2: together all along, and that his wife had been a
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  Speaker 2: victim of Mr. Boddy's blackmail as well. She was a
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  Speaker 2: socialist and had been forced to work for him for
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  Speaker 2: free until she died by suicide. So with all of that,
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  Speaker 2: they go on to try to figure out what happened.
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  Speaker 2: How did he die? At one point, they think maybe
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  Speaker 2: there's poison in the cognac. which causes Yvette to scream,
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  Speaker 2: who has been listening to the wiretap that's been in
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  Speaker 2: that room and been recording from a different room, the billiard,
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  Speaker 2: I believe. And so they all retrieve her from the
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  Speaker 2: billiard room, and they come back together to the parlor
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  Speaker 2: so they can discuss what is happening, finding that Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Body's body is missing! Where's Mr. Body's body? After trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what might have happened, they soon discover
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  Speaker 2: the cook's body in the refrigerator with a knife to
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  Speaker 2: her back. They decided to lock away all those weapons
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  Speaker 2: and throw away the key, but as they try, they
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  Speaker 2: are met at the door with another guest, a motorist,
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  Speaker 2: who they decide to lock into another room because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they got things to do. Oh, and they rediscovered Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Boddy's body with fresh wounds on his head, and they
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  Speaker 2: are for sure now that he is dead. No, he
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  Speaker 2: really is dead. His eyes are open and everything. So
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  Speaker 2: they drag him back into the parlor along with the
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  Speaker 2: cook's body. They decide they must go through the house
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  Speaker 2: to see if there's any possible other guests hiding who
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  Speaker 2: was killing everyone. So they pair off. The matchstick scene
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  Speaker 2: sticks with me so clearly. I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 2: It's the sound of them cutting the matches, but I
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  Speaker 2: remember that scene very clearly. So with that, they all
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  Speaker 2: pair off. They all go to search the homes assigned
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  Speaker 2: to different floors or areas. Later, they discover the motorist
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  Speaker 2: has been killed and they are again met at the
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  Speaker 2: door with another visitor. But they've actually supposedly thrown away
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  Speaker 2: the keys at this point. This time it's a cop.
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  Speaker 2: who they let in, but then they decided to lock
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  Speaker 2: in a room as well. Very suspicious. Very suspicious. Surprise.
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  Speaker 2: He is also killed, but this is after he goes
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  Speaker 2: around and does a whole look-see of the house and
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  Speaker 2: answers a phone call. That turns out, like, J. Edgar
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  Speaker 2: Hoover is trying to find somebody in that house, you know. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he dies later on. We then hear the
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  Speaker 2: door again, and it's a singing telegram, and she's shot. Bang.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: But I remember the, you know, you're singing Telegram. Like
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  Speaker 2: that just that sits in my head forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And soon they all come back together and Wadsworth announces
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  Speaker 2: that he knows what has happened. Who has done this?
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  Speaker 2: Turns out all the guests outside of the main six
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  Speaker 2: were informants of Mr. Body and had connections with the
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  Speaker 2: main six and had been lured there for that very reason.
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  Speaker 2: Several scenarios are shown in the movie, but the true
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  Speaker 2: end is that everyone murdered everyone. And Wadsworth is actually Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Body.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and Mr. Green just kills Mr. Body because he
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  Speaker 2: was actually the FBI informant, and he was the one
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  Speaker 2: that was supposed to get that call from Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Hoover.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, Wadsworth was the one that took the call.
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  Speaker 2: And he ends up killing Mr. Body. He goes home
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  Speaker 2: to sleep with his wife because his secret was that
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  Speaker 2: he was gay. But he wasn't gay. Yeah. End of story. So,
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: first and foremost, Annie, this was your first viewing. What
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  Speaker 2: did you think of this movie? Did you figure out
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  Speaker 2: the mystery?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: It was really interesting because... You know, when a movie
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  Speaker 1: is so popular, like you get pieces of it, whether
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  Speaker 1: or not you've seen it. Right. And so I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: we'll probably talk about this a little bit more later,
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  Speaker 1: but there are tropes in the game. The butler's the killer. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all of those kind of, here's your sexy
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  Speaker 1: femme fatale. So you did it. Like all of these
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  Speaker 1: different tropes. So I didn't anticipate... the ending gag where
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  Speaker 1: they have like three fake endings yeah so i was
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  Speaker 1: definitely like i don't know what's true what's not what's
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  Speaker 1: going on here but i did really enjoy it i
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  Speaker 1: liked um it does have a very i was thinking
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  Speaker 1: about this today because um Only Murders in the Building
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  Speaker 1: came back today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they like the kind of that murder. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is there kind of a thing as cozy murder mystery now?
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  Speaker 2: Kind of. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because it has like, you know, it's raining outside. It's storming.
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  Speaker 1: They're in this big mansion. The costumes are great. The
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  Speaker 1: background is great.
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  Speaker 2: The music is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It just is very visually appealing and kind of
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  Speaker 1: like it makes you want to, at least me, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'll curl up in this blanket, try to
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  Speaker 1: figure out. Yeah, exactly. Try to figure out what this is.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I did not figure it out. I was
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: suspicious of pretty much everybody, but I will say Tim Curry.
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  Speaker 1: I was suspicious of Tim Curry.
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  Speaker 2: He's always suspicious in every show he's ever in. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just be real honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the ending was an ode to how the game
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  Speaker 2: has different endings and scenarios. Again, how it could have
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: happened is the first scenario with Miss Scarlet killing everyone
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  Speaker 2: with the assistance of a vet who had helped her
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  Speaker 2: and was a former employee of hers. That's her connection.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have, she also had a connection with
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  Speaker 2: a cop who she paid off. And then we had
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  Speaker 2: Wadsworth work for the FBI. How about this? Instead was
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  Speaker 2: Peacock killing everyone, which was kind of like the most
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  Speaker 2: random scenario I felt like, especially like how is she
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: going to choke somebody? Like she doesn't have the body strength. OK,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you do you. And then here's what really happened
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  Speaker 2: with everyone killing their connected person, except for Professor Plum,
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  Speaker 2: who kills a body person. And Wadsworth killing the singing
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  Speaker 2: telegram woman. They do have a connection, but don't have
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  Speaker 2: a connection type of thing. So it was very interesting
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  Speaker 2: in that. I know when it was originally released, different
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  Speaker 2: theaters got different endings. They didn't get the all three.
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  Speaker 2: I watched it on VHS. Goes, yes, baby. I'm that old.
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  Speaker 2: We rented a VCR from Curtis Mathis with the movie
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  Speaker 2: because we did not have a VCR. We were not
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  Speaker 2: rich like that. And I got to watch that movie
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  Speaker 2: and I loved it. This is an ode to slapsticks,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: even though to me, 1980s, 1970s, lots of slapstick. And
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: that was kind of one of the best parts of comedy.
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  Speaker 2: I miss some of that. I'm not going to lie,
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  Speaker 2: but it made me laugh hysterically. The way that Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Green just gets bobbled about.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Like as a scenario as being Mr. Body, I love
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  Speaker 2: those slapstick comedies. And this was one of those. And
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  Speaker 2: it made me laugh every time, every time. And you
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: will hear me, like I told my partner, he was
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: watching it with me, part of it with me last
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  Speaker 2: night in which they were like, you know, to make
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: a long story short and everybody's like too late. I
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: do that to him because of this movie. And he's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: probably like, what? And he didn't understand where that came from,
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  Speaker 2: but I still cannot help myself because every time I
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: hear someone say that, that's the line I think of next.
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  Speaker 2: So there are so many things to that. This quip
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  Speaker 2: is such a funny level of comedy, the wit, the humor,
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  Speaker 2: the back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it as a kid. So all of that
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  Speaker 2: to say this is kind of what it reminisces of.
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  Speaker 2: And I also, again, like I said, Because we're not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily doing a lot of themes, because I think that
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  Speaker 2: themes are fairly... It's not, like, because of its dark
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  Speaker 2: humor element with a very over-the-top rhetoric, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it's fairly obvious. You can tell me if you're wrong
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  Speaker 2: and you have some themes that you want to talk about, Annie,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: our listeners. But, like, one of the things I did
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: love about the movie is that women held their own
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: in this movie. They were more memorable characters than the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: men to me outside of Tim Curry. Like, they... did
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: such an amazing job in their portrayal. I will say, like,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: probably the least in the women is Mrs. Peacock. But, like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I remember Leslie Ann Warren's voice as Miss Scarlet. I
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: remember her line of saying, who are you? Perry Mason? Like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that line, which, by the way, made me laugh because
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Perry Mason wasn't existing in the 1950s, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: don't think. But, like, she was, like, that person. And obviously, again...
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: My favorite would be Miss White. So, like, for me,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Miss Scarlet is the femme fatale. But in the movie,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: she's an unapologetic sex worker. Like, and a madam. Like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: she does what she does and knows everybody's secrets. It's like, eh.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: This is my job, and I know what you did,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: so you have no room to judge me, like type
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: of conversation. Here's a quote from CleoJournal.com. They write, quote, Ms. Scarlett,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: who proudly outs herself as a Washington madam, seems to
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: have found one of the few direct routes to power
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: for a woman in the 1950s America, selling sex. Cheerfully
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: impervious to the evening's bourgeoisie code of conduct, she is
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the only character who appears to be enjoying herself, delivering
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a stream of maywest-like wisecracks throughout the evening. This is
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: an example. Professor Plum, I am a doctor, but I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: don't practice. Miss Scarlet, practice makes perfect.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: most men could use a little practice don't you it's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a great line and he's been sexually harassing her the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: entire time yeah like but she stands like she's so
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: used to it she's like and then we have miss
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: white the dark and mysterious widow who comes off as
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: unapologetic and ready with vengeance With another wonderful quote, she says, yes,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: just the five husbands. Husbands should be like Kleenex, soft, strong,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and disposable. I'm like, yeah, okay. I enjoyed that. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: note here that the only ad-lib in this movie the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: entire time was her line, which she says, Yes, I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: did it. I killed a vet. I hated her so much. It,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the flames, flames, flames on the side of my face.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: The breathing, breathing, breathing, heavy breathing, heavy breathing. And then
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that's it. It's so wonderful. Her acting, that was one
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of the most iconic. And then the cutaway to Colonel
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Mustard going, what? It's comedic genius. Like, I don't know why,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: but I think it's, like, one of the top five
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: comedic timings that I will remember. For all my users, like, genius.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Because they let her do it. And they realized how
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: amazing this was. But, like, those moments like that really, like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: things that I remember, again, going back to Miss Scarlet
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: being her, like, very, like, booby, but green dress, like,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: iconic self, having her high-pitched laugh. Like, it just made
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: her character to me, even though she wasn't wearing a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Scarlet dress.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that threw me, too. That threw me, too. Because
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in the game, if some of you listeners have somehow
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: never played this game, it's very color-coded and, like, Mrs.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Colonel Mustard is in yellow. Scarlet is in scarlet. Like, yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they were, I think you're right in that the women
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: were much more memorable than the men. And they had better,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I thought they had better line deliveries. And just in general,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they had more presence. And it was interesting to me
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: because that, I mean, Clue, the game, is very much
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: playing to tropes. And this movie, like, heightened it it
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: was like oh you think here's your sexy french maid
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and all of this but they were doing it very
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: comedically but while also saying like yeah miss scarlet is
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: not going to stand for your nonsense miss white might
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: kill you they i love how they gave like every
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: character a very this is what I love about a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: good mystery, a very plausible, like, I can see her
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: doing it. I can see it being her.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, they definitely do a great job in
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: giving each character their own backstory without even having too
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: much of a backstory.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: At the beginning. You're seeing them as they're presented and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, you know who this is. You know
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: who this is. Yeah. And again, the men are not
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: as memorable.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: No. They really aren't.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Mm-mm. Mm-mm.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I thought about how many games, board games that have
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: been turned into movies. Like we've seen many video games,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: which sometimes they don't work. The number one was Last
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of Us, if you needed to know. That was the best.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Clue is always in the top five. It's not number
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: one for the board game editions or renditions. And the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: top five with that is Jumanji. Hello, Ouija. Which, by
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the way, Jumanji is not a real game. So it's
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: kind of like one of those things like based on
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: board game, but it's not a real game.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It didn't exist before. But it came out after.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It wasn't the original game. Ouija,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it does have a lot of horror, obviously, behind that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: And then they said Dungeons & Dragons, and I'm like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: is that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Really a board game? Tabletop game, I would say.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, but not a board game. But you know what?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I'll allow it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I'll allow it. So it did bring that in, but
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they did have one of the best adaptations to that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And I think because maybe there's not a lot of games.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you turn life into a movie.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Well, there's plenty of them that I'm like, I'm not sure...
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: What's the new one that Margot Robbie's going to be in?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And I was like, huh.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, I just know Weathering Heights, but that's a book.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: No, it's a board game adaption. I can't remember what
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it is. But I was like, huh. All right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Someone tell them.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Like, sorry. Yeah, it's not sorry, but, you know, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: would be surprised.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so it is interesting to see that. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I also wondered about like the murder mystery concept, because
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is kind of in tune with
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: all that. The whodunits and we got to figure it out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: We can't leave this house until we find the killer
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: type of conversation. And many attribute the murder mystery dinner
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: shows to be from the 1940s, 1950s. But then it
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: evolved in the 80s, involving audience members. Have you ever
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: done one of.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Those, Amy? I played a game. I've never gone to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: an event space and done it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't either. Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I have a friend who did, and it sounded like
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it went disastrously. I don't think that reflects.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get control what the audience is going to do. Yeah.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Which seems kind of like.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It's a roll of the dice.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know I've seen people do it at home
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with their friends so they know them well enough and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: give them character display, right? That's a thing. So you've
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: done that?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have. I have one. it is like a,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it's a masquerade that went wrong. And it's on a train,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of course, you know. Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: On the train. Like, obviously, The Office has an infamous episode. Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I do declare.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I do declare. Yeah. I didn't do it. I do
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: not have that accent. Anyway, but I do think like
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: when we talk about like movies like Knives Out and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: those types of movies, like it kind of is reminiscent
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: to Clue as well. The board game versus also like
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: these movies that have some iconic moments. Again, the one
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: thing that the Knives Out was more serious. And also
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: they left the house.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, but that is a thing about a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: lot of these murdered people. mystery stories is they usually
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: have one space where they're generally confined i would say
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in knives out they were confined by the will so
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: even if they could leave the house the second one
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the second one they were confined on the island but
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the murder happened outside of yes and then they come
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: back and then was there more murder Murder. There was
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: attempted murder.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Murder. That's right.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Right. And I really thought that was interesting. And we
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: could talk about murder mystery concepts in general because of that. Like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: also Shakespeare in the Tavern type of thing. Like, this
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: level of conversation. But that's, again. But, of course, we
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: couldn't go beyond this without the politics of Clue. Like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they really wanted to have that Red Scare, the McCarthy
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: era type of conversation in here. And they actually portray...
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I couldn't tell. You can't tell what they're saying necessarily.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And this was done in the 80s once again. So
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: right outside of still Cold War times. level of what's
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: going down, you know? So it was interesting to see
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: when they talked about, like, she was a socialist. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: then it came down to, you're a communist. She's like, no,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I'm the purest form of capitalism, which is, I feel
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: like a conversation today of, like, the mixture. You're like, no,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: we're leaning to communism, but you think that it's, like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: also our capitalist is turning into communism, and you're not
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: realizing what's happening, and you think communism is just socialism,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: and that's not what's happening. We're having a dictatorship in communism. Back. Okay.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But all of that to say is they have that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: conversation in here. I will say there are so many
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: jokes in there that I did not understand as a 10, 12-year-old.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Was it like, red herring? What does that mean? I
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: had to look that up not too long ago, to
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I knew about that because of another mystery book, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it was a clue, and I was like, ah, red herring.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It's just a red herring but it was interesting to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: see them bring that as a part of that conversation
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: which you don't have obviously in the game there's no
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: real reason yeah there's no back there's no plot to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it you just get murdered and you have to get like.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Right well and you know that would be an interesting
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: exercise me and my friends used to do this where
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: we would try to describe why they did it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Or really you would go that far Yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes. Especially if you get, again, like, I have, like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a What We Do in the Shadows one. You know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: You know these characters, so you can try to describe, like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: why in the world would they have done this?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Well, now I needed you to play Star Wars to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: see the backstory.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. I would.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Because you're supposed to know... Who gets murdered in that one?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if anyone gets murdered. So... Some of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the newer ones do this thing where, like, in what
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: we do in the shadows one, the cursed hat goes missing. Oh.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like in the Star Wars one, it was
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: something like that, too. It wasn't murder, but.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, look.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, now I've got a good excuse to.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: You have to look it up for me. Yeah. Now
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: that I think about it, I remember I also had
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: a 3D clue and it was a museum. And I
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: think they were finding certain artwork. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. it's been a long time i have to say
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you know i hate to bring it up but and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: i had the harry potter clue and that one it
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was murder and i always thought that was kind of
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: pretty dark for.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Uh wait was it like harry potter murdered somebody.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It was like a bunch of Death Eaters. But one
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: time I played it when Jenny got murdered. And I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was like, holy heck. This is really dark.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, my stars.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Poor Jenny. So maybe they moved on. Maybe they're trying
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to make ones now that are less about murder.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I would love to see what a
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: remake of this would look like today.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: It would be interesting. Because again, it is... They're trying
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to make you think like everybody could have done it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And at the time, you know, you have this like
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Red Scare and communism. You have this character who's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: gay and is like, and then not gay. But they
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: were trying to be like, it's him. So it would
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: be interesting.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It was one of those funny moments where I was like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: but I'm not ashamed of that. But I don't want
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to be fired, which could be still very much today.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. Like, it would not be
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: that hard because communism is still a threat. Supposedly. Socialism
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is a threat.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It would be interesting. I'm sure there's probably been
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: talks about remaking it. Oh, there is, actually.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So I just pulled it up. So in 2024, there
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: was a conversation of Sony taking it. But it would
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be not like the film.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: It would be more like the game.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And they've been trying, it says.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I could see it being like a four-episode Netflix series
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: or something. I don't know.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So apparently Ryan Reynolds and Jason Bateman tried to get
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: onto it with The Muppets. That's not what I was expecting.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I read that right. Okay, y'all
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: tell me because I'm like, wait, what? But yeah, it
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: would be interesting. So there was a conversation about how
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: when they had some interviews in between, like for anniversaries
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: of Clue, Tim Curry had had a stroke and was
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: not able to participate, but was able to come back
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: later to participate and talk about his memories of it,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: which I was really glad was able to happen. Because
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that would have made me sad. Because Tim Curry was
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: pretty iconic in this whole era. I feel like he
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: was 80s, 70s champion, to be honest. Between that, Rocky Horror,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: for me, Legend, and so much more.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: He's pretty iconic in most of his roles.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, and by the way, that's what it was. I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: saw someone cross... Crossing Rocky Horror with Legend in their cosplay.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful. It was like Tim Curry for both
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: of those as one.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: It was an amazing one. I forgot about that until
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: just now because I was like, oh my God, I
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: get that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I get that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think many people would because they don't remember Legend.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. A Dragon Con, I don't know. A
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, me and a whole group of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: friends tried to just go as a bunch of different
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Tim Currys. Really? It didn't work out, but I still
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: think that's a great idea.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Somebody goes as a butler, somebody goes as... And then
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: he was a horrible character in Criminal Minds. Oh, no.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'd want to go as the Muppet
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Treasure Island one. It? Oh, gosh, you're right.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of options.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of options. But, okay. Yeah, so that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: was Clue. What would you grade this movie, Annie, this
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: cult classic that I love so much? Hmm.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: How do I grade it? Like a home run with
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the candlestick in the library? I don't know. It was fun.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: You tried. You tried to add that all together. Yes,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I hope you did. This is definitely one of those
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: that I don't watch often, but every time I watch it,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I just giggle each time. Each time. And I love this. So, yeah, listeners,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: let us know what you think about this movie. Have
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: you loved this movie? Is this something that you think
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: is a cult classic? If you did, tell me why.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: If you haven't, tell me why.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and hopefully, I mean, we're well outside the window
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of spoilers, but if you haven't seen it, Go watch it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Should I spoil it? It's 40 years.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: No, we're well outside the window.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Hopefully, if somebody really wanted to watch it, they would
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: have stopped.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: They would have not.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean, even if you know the ending,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it kind of goes in a wild way.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: It does. Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I think you'll still be surprised.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Go watch it.
• 34:45
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