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  Speaker 1: the New York Giants, a division rival of the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: From Big Blue View dot com. You know we love
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  Speaker 2: My friend, I'm doing well. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see where the Giants are going
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  Speaker 1: to continue to go this coming off season again as
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  Speaker 1: a division rival of the Philadelphia Eagles. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of interesting storylines going on within this Giants
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  Speaker 1: organization and the team in general as well, and I'd
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, Yes, great, great writer again over at Big Blue
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  Speaker 1: View dot com. And to get into the storylines that
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  Speaker 1: we've been following with this New York Giants team here, Chris.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of talk about Giants GM Joe Shane and
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  Speaker 1: how intentional or unintentional he has been this off season.
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  Speaker 1: If you talk to certain New York Giants fans, they'll
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  Speaker 1: give you both sides of the equation. Some are saying
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  Speaker 1: that he's making roster moves simply to keep his job.
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  Speaker 1: Some are saying that he's been doing a good job
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  Speaker 1: at helping to build for the future. I'm wondering, what
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  Speaker 1: do you make of this narrative when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: Joe Shane, and also what grade would you give the
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  Speaker 1: Giants off season, the front office so far this year
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  Speaker 1: and why?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I personally am in the camp that he
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  Speaker 2: has done a good job Okay, this year, I think
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  Speaker 2: he has been very intentional in how he's gone about
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  Speaker 2: his moves in building the team, plugging the various holes
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  Speaker 2: in the roster that were really a problem last year,
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years. And I do think he is
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  Speaker 2: building for the future but also acquiring talent that can
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  Speaker 2: help right now. Think as far as him being on
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  Speaker 2: the hot seat, he and Brian Dable absolutely are.
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  Speaker 1: We're going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh, there's a lot going on there. But
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  Speaker 2: I do believe this is kind of a case of
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  Speaker 2: what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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  Speaker 2: His best best path to saving his job is to
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  Speaker 2: help the team win, to help the team improve, and
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like he has done that so far
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  Speaker 2: this year. You know, within the within the context of
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  Speaker 2: the draft not being over with yet, I would give
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  Speaker 2: him overall at least a solid B plus what he
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  Speaker 2: has done so far. I will go so far as
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  Speaker 2: to say in a because you know, we don't know
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  Speaker 2: what Russell Wilson is going to do a quarterback, we
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  Speaker 2: don't know how some of these young pieces are. It's
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  Speaker 2: all going to fit together, and obviously the draft is
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  Speaker 2: the keystone to it all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely it is.
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  Speaker 1: And the real question as we're moving along with the
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  Speaker 1: conversation here is who will the Giants take with the
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  Speaker 1: number three overall pick heading into this NFL Draft? I
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  Speaker 1: mean a quarterback, even though they do have Russell Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and they do have some depth now at quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Seems to be likely, but this is a team that
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of needs for the future, Chris, especially
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  Speaker 1: from a pass rusher standpoint. As a huge Penn State
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  Speaker 1: fan myself, I've been thinking a lot, boy, if the
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  Speaker 1: Giants end up drafting Abdul Carter, I'm absolutely going to
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  Speaker 1: cry because I have seen this time and time. I
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  Speaker 1: remember Sean Lee getting drafted by the Dallas Cowboys, and
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  Speaker 1: then Michael Parsons getting drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. I
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  Speaker 1: and then Saquon Barkley getting drafted by the New York Giants. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: he is now in the Philadelphia Eagles doing a damn
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  Speaker 1: good job. But I just can't take my Penn State
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  Speaker 1: brethren and having them go to other places in the
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  Speaker 1: NFC East. But I do wonder what direction do you
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  Speaker 1: hope the Giants are gonna go with that number three
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  Speaker 1: overall pick in just about a week.
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  Speaker 2: Here, I'm going to preface this by saying that anyone
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  Speaker 2: who says they know what the giants are going to
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  Speaker 2: do is blowing smoke. Right, There's probably about ten people
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  Speaker 2: right now who have even an inkling of what the
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  Speaker 2: giants are going to do, and they're all within the building,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think they're talking to anybody right now. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think the giants really are one of the true
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  Speaker 2: wild cards in this upcoming draft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you listen to some of the national
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  Speaker 2: level insiders, everybody is asking them, and they're saying everybody
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  Speaker 2: is asking them, you know, what are the giants going
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  Speaker 2: to do? And I think the ones who are being
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  Speaker 2: most honest always get this kind of momentary look of
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  Speaker 2: panic in their eyes because they don't really know, Right
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  Speaker 2: it was reed tea leaves and it's other people's tea,
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  Speaker 2: you know. It's they're not really hearing anything from inside
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  Speaker 2: the building. So I'm just going to preface it with that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that Abdul Carter will be the pick, provided
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  Speaker 2: the Browns. Don't sorry, but if it makes you feel better,
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  Speaker 2: My sister went to Penn State.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: There's at least that soft spot there, and I felt
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  Speaker 2: the exact same way about Sean Lee and Michael Parsons. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was those were rough. But provided the Browns don't
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  Speaker 2: take Carter, I think the Giants do now. There have
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  Speaker 2: been has been a notion creeping up lately that maybe
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  Speaker 2: the Giants could trade down a little bit. Carter did
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  Speaker 2: have all of a sudden, a late workout with the
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  Speaker 2: New England Patriots, and he is going to be a
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  Speaker 2: top three pick, or almost certainly going to be a
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  Speaker 2: top three pick. So I don't know if that is
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  Speaker 2: a just in case that, say the Giants do take
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback at three. There have been those conversations between
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  Speaker 2: the Giants and the Patriots in the past. Maybe they
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  Speaker 2: have resumed or kept going really and it's possible that
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots really do covet Obdull Carter enough that they
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  Speaker 2: want to move up and get him, or perhaps the
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  Speaker 2: Giants are actually looking at a quarterback at third. Overall,
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  Speaker 2: John Marra did basically lay down a mandate that the
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  Speaker 2: Giants get a quarterback of the future, a future franchise quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and they might not want to take a chance that
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  Speaker 2: the Saints or the Steelers or the Jets or whoever
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  Speaker 2: else might take one and just take the guy they're
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  Speaker 2: looking at. Now, whoever that is, we can talk about that,
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  Speaker 2: but at least at third overall. Right now, if everything
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  Speaker 2: goes the way we think it will, it looks like
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  Speaker 2: it'll be Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter, but it seems
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  Speaker 2: like the Browns are kind of focusing in on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this number three overall pick for the Giants is
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  Speaker 1: going to be huge, or even if they do drop
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  Speaker 1: back and gain some more assets for the future, this
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  Speaker 1: is a huge draft for this Giants team and the
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  Speaker 1: organization overall. I mean, there's a lot of talent that
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  Speaker 1: the Giants may be able to draft in a little
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  Speaker 1: over the week with the.
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  Speaker 3: Picks that they do have.
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  Speaker 1: So as we were just talking about the Day one pick,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that first round pick, what they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do with it, Chris, I'm wondering what positions do you
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  Speaker 1: think they'll be honing in on during Day two when
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  Speaker 1: they have one second round pick and I believe two
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  Speaker 1: third round picks if I'm not mistaken, What do you
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to be doing on Day two?
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  Speaker 2: I think that will depend on what happens at the
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  Speaker 2: second half of the first round, because right now, the
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  Speaker 2: thinking is that the Giants very well could be looking
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  Speaker 2: at jumping back into the first round, maybe the team
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  Speaker 2: like Atlanta or the Minnesota Vikings, who both of those
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  Speaker 2: two teams, they do not have many picks, and the
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  Speaker 2: Giants do have amo to move back up. That thirty
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  Speaker 2: fourth overall pick is valuable. They've got the two third
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  Speaker 2: round picks, the one right at the top of the
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  Speaker 2: third round, and then the compensatory pick that they got
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  Speaker 2: for letting Xavier McKinnon Saquon Barkley go in free agency,
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  Speaker 2: So they do have assets to move around if they
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  Speaker 2: so choose. Yeah, I think a lot of what we
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  Speaker 2: have been hearing and talking about is that they very
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  Speaker 2: well could take one of those two blue chip guys
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  Speaker 2: in the first round and then jump back in for
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback at developmental quarterback, maybe Jackson Dart, maybe Jalen Milroe.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking Jalen Milroe actually, yeah, because I think
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe is very very under the radar coming into this,
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  Speaker 1: coming into this draft.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and with the two veteran quarterbacks they signed, they
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  Speaker 2: would have that extra year to develop up a guy
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  Speaker 2: like that and have him take over in twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: But at least as far as positions they could look
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  Speaker 2: at on the second round, depending on how many second
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  Speaker 2: round picks they have the offensive and defensive lines, and
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  Speaker 2: I would say either a guard tackle prospect, which is
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  Speaker 2: most of the tackle prospects in this year's draft, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them I think are going to be sliding
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  Speaker 2: inside to guard this year, or a defensive tackle to
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  Speaker 2: play next to Dexter Lawrence, because this year's defensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: class is absurd. It is just ridiculously deep and talented,
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  Speaker 2: and the Giants really could still always use talent along
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line. They were actually not bad given the
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  Speaker 2: age of some of their guys in the history. I
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  Speaker 2: definitely expect them to continue to add to the line
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  Speaker 2: on Day two if they can. And also again the
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  Speaker 2: defensive tackle, I do like what a lot of their
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  Speaker 2: depth players did. I'm in an extreme minority in the
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  Speaker 2: in the Giants sphere, but I do like what a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those deaf guys did after Dexh Lawrence went down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there there is.
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  Speaker 2: There is a pretty big difference between Dexter Lawrence and
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Riley DJ Davidson those guys, So getting somebody else
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  Speaker 2: to run with big decks Yeah, Eagles fans, Giants fans,
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  Speaker 2: we all know what a good defensive line can do.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, It's gonna be interesting to see what they
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  Speaker 1: do on Day two for sure. And again, folks, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking to Chris Flumm from Big Blue View dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Great great content over there. You know, we love our
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  Speaker 1: SB Nation sites. And as we're moving along with a
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  Speaker 1: conversation here, Chris, you know, even after the draft, you
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  Speaker 1: know some of these players they're not gonna be starters.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, right out of the gate. We know this
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  Speaker 1: just for every NFL team. So with that being said,
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  Speaker 1: here's a two part question for you about this Giants
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  Speaker 1: team heading into the summer and this upcoming season. The
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  Speaker 1: first being what is the biggest strength on this Giants
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  Speaker 1: team heading into this season? Again, of course the draft
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  Speaker 1: has not happened yet, but what is your diagnosis at
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  Speaker 1: this point of what the biggest strength is of this
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  Speaker 1: team heading into this season.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, even though I just got done talking about them
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  Speaker 2: needing to add more defensive linemen, I would still say
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  Speaker 2: the defensive line is the greatest strength.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I depending on how things go with Paulsen
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  Speaker 2: and Devo and Javon Holland. I would spin that off
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  Speaker 2: to the defense as a whole. I think the Giants
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  Speaker 2: defense's biggest problem is that the offense has been an
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  Speaker 2: absolute albatross around its now. Just you cannot play very
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  Speaker 2: good defense if you're trying to haul around the thirtieth
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  Speaker 2: ranked offense for a couple of years. But yeah, Brandon Burns,
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  Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence, Kevon Thibadeau, that's a solid foundation for a defense.
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  Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence is in the conversation for best defensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. And that's with respect to guys like
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  Speaker 2: Chris Jones, with the Philly guys, with the guys out
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  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. You know he is right there. And
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Burns and Capon Thibodeau. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 2: get quite as much respect Tibbs and especially for how
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  Speaker 2: good and disruptive they can be.
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  Speaker 1: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandon Burns was I believe, top five in ESPN's
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  Speaker 2: pass rush win rate. Thibodeau was in the top fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know, if you're familiar with Brandon Thorne,
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  Speaker 2: he is not as I would say, He's probably one
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  Speaker 2: of the best, if not the best, independent defensive line
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  Speaker 2: analysts out there, and he has a thing he does
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  Speaker 2: where he breaks down trench play for every game every week,
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  Speaker 2: and he grades pass rushers and he grades them on
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  Speaker 2: you out a coverage sack, low quality sack, or a
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  Speaker 2: high quality sack or a rare high quality sack and
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  Speaker 2: their rate of producing those over their pastures snaps. The
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  Speaker 2: Giants were the only team to have three players Burns, Thibodeaux,
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  Speaker 2: and Lawrence in his top thirty for high quality sack,
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  Speaker 2: and Thibodeau was I believe top five in rare and
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  Speaker 2: high quality sack Arry. So that's winning pass rushes in
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  Speaker 2: less than two and a half seconds against a good tackle.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not waiting for the coverage to hold up
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  Speaker 2: and eventually working your way there. It's just like winning
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  Speaker 2: it on his own. So I really think the Giants'
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  Speaker 2: biggest problems on the defensive side of the ball is
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  Speaker 2: the fact that their offense does not force the opposing
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  Speaker 2: offense to throw. And I think having those guys there
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  Speaker 2: is a solid foundation. And if Paul's in a debo
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  Speaker 2: and Javon Holland pan out, they've got Deane Banks, who
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  Speaker 2: he has his own issues. He needs to work out,
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  Speaker 2: particularly at the catch point. But the athletic traits are
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  Speaker 2: right there. Drew Phillips was fantastic in the slot last year,
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  Speaker 2: rookie out of Kentucky. Tyler Newban rookie safety out of Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: he was very good as well. So they've got a
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  Speaker 2: really young secondary, but it could be a very good secondary.
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  Speaker 2: But again, it's contingent on the offense, which if you
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  Speaker 2: want the flip that over to the weekend, Yeah, let's let's.
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  Speaker 1: Do the one eighty here and let's go with biggest
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  Speaker 1: weakness heading into the twenty seas.
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  Speaker 2: I would say the offense just in general, but that
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  Speaker 2: is really contingent on quarterback to play. Yeah, there's only
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  Speaker 2: so much you can do with Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, really nothing against Daniel Jones, but he
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  Speaker 2: was a limited quarterback who limited the offense in ways.
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  Speaker 2: So I the offense has been the Giant's weakness for
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  Speaker 2: years now, really, going back to I would say probably
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: Really it's a while. So we're gonna have nine years, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And even then maybe even twenty fifteen. Yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 2: a long time, and it comes down to that quarterback position.
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  Speaker 2: If Russell Wilson, if he can be Russ and Russ
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  Speaker 2: can cook, Malik neighbors is he has the potential to
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  Speaker 2: be special Tyrone Tracy is a really good running back.
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  Speaker 2: Another one of your Penn State guys, Theo Johnson. He
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  Speaker 2: is an athletic freak. He shows some real upside. Like
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  Speaker 2: they've got They've got potential at the skill positions. It's
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  Speaker 2: just that offensive line depth and that quarterback play has
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  Speaker 2: to get where they need it to be.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, absolutely all right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as we're moving along here, Chris, I was hoping
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  Speaker 1: we could really do some reflection on the Giants free
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  Speaker 1: agents that they brought in during this offseason as well, again,
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  Speaker 1: two new quarterbacks. They've added talent to the offensive line,
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  Speaker 1: defensive backfield as well.
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  Speaker 3: What did you like and also what did you.
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  Speaker 1: Not like about the Giants moves in free agency? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you did talk about Joe Shane thinking he's doing a
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  Speaker 1: pretty productive job for this organization for the team thus
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  Speaker 1: far this season. But would you like and not like
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  Speaker 1: too too much in terms of free agency?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't much I really didn't like. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: they had gone the Aaron Rodgers route. That would have
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  Speaker 2: been one Like I guess you know I that was
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  Speaker 2: the one move I really did not want them to make.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't fine if they took a flyer on Justin Fields.
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  Speaker 2: I actually was fine if they had gone into twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five with Jamis Winston as their potential bridge quarterback. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I am. I'm not going to say they fixed it
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  Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson because he is obviously on the downside
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  Speaker 2: of his career. We saw what happen at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year with Pittsburgh, but yeah, with maybe a
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  Speaker 2: full off season, him not having to deal with an
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  Speaker 2: injury and training camp and all that, like getting all
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  Speaker 2: of those reps, we'll see what happens there. Overall, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was those were good, solid moves. You know,
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  Speaker 2: James Winston at the very least will be entertaining, which
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  Speaker 2: given the way the Giants offense has looked, we were
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  Speaker 2: just talking about it entertaining, isn't that is It's.
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  Speaker 3: A low bar, but entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a low bar, but be happy to
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  Speaker 2: clear it. Right. As far as the the other moves
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  Speaker 2: like that, those two young dbs a debo, a debo
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  Speaker 2: or and Holland. I like what those guys bring. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're gamblers, which that's kind of okay with me because
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  Speaker 2: the upside of potentially producing turnovers is really great and
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  Speaker 2: that's something the Giants haven't been very good at, particularly
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  Speaker 2: last year. Like I don't think they had their first
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  Speaker 2: or now they had an interception to start the year.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't have a defensive back make an interception until oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was until after the bye week
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  Speaker 2: last year. It was getting embarrassing. And that's saying something
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  Speaker 2: considering how their season went last year, that their dbs
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't get their hands on the football.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So I think the.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Potential upside of having a couple of gamblers in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: defensive backfield is definitely worth it. And also adding like
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a Chauncey Golston taking a guy away from the Cowboys,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that's a positive move.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go. As soon as he likes
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  Speaker 3: that one, Yes, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he could be I don't want to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: say an upgrade over Azizo Jialari one of the newest Eagles.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: We go down ninety five there, yep, but I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: he could at least be a side grade who presents
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: more upside and run defense, which has kind of been
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a problem for the Giants on the edge there, So
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that I think helps them getting like Stone foresight a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: couple of the other offensive linemen the Giants brought in
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: again help improve the competition on the right side and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: maybe help out the depth which has been a real
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: problem for them. Yeah, I'd love to see Joshua Zudu,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Giants third round pick in twenty twenty two. He was
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a guard. He is always supposed to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: be a guard, and anytime we see him, he's playing tackle,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: which is not his position at all. He did it
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: in college at North Carolina, but he he is not
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: an NFL tackle. So hopefully some of these depth players
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that Joshane has brought in will kind of allow guys
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to play their more natural positions, which again that would
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: be a just an absolute positive for this team.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely hear what you're saying, and as an
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Eagles fan, I'm hoping it doesn't come to fruiation. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in terms of just being a football lover overall, again,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: another interesting storyline for sure with this Giants team, just
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in terms of how their free agents are going to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: end up impacting the team this season. So again, folks
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: talking to Chris Flum from Big Blue View dot Com.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Check out everything they have going on over there with
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: regard to the New York Giants and some NFL writing
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: as well. But to close us out here, Chris, it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: seems like this coming season is going to be a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: do or die year for head coach Brian Dable, and frankly,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised he was able to keep his job after
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: this past season, just given what the NFL is in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: terms of how they get rid of and hire coaches
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: at such a quick pace year after year. So two
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: part question for you here, why do you think the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: front office kept him on board? And what does Brian
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Dable need to do this season for the Giants to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: keep him on board as the head coach long term?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the primary reason why not even the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: front off John Marra kept Brian day Ball and Joe
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Shane around is because he just didn't want to have
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that same turnover. Yeah, to have Ben McAdoo for two
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: years and then Pat Shermer for two years, and then
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Joe Judge for two years and then have to get
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: rid of Joe Shane and Brian Daball after three years.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Like the Giants crave stability. He desperately wants to get
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: back to what they had with Tom Kaughlin and Jerry Reese,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: where the results may not have been there every single year,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: but they were always at least least competitive, and they
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: weren't constantly turning over and constantly changing schemes, and they
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: were able to build and establish like a system. That's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: something that Giants haven't had since really since Tom Qaughlin
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  Speaker 2: was fired. Yeah, you know, way back after twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: So that I think is why Brian Dable still has
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: his job. I honestly think looking at the landscape of
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: especially the NFL Draft this year, I don't think this
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: is a bad quarterback draft, but I do believe that
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it's an unusual one and there's a lot more risk
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: than as usual. Yes, yeah, I think Jackson dart or
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe could be really good quarterbacks at the NFL level,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: but there's a pretty big discrepancy between the ceiling and
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the floor with them, And to a certain extent, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: think firing Shane and Daball could have been a mercy
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: after last year. Yeah, like they could have talked about it,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you know, gone into interviews with other teams and talked about, hey,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: we you know, we weren't thrilled with being tied to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. We did it because we had to. But look,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: we put that escape patch in his contract, and you know, John,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: he just didn't want to give us the extra time. Yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: but now they're kind of stuck with this class. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: hate to say it. Unfortunately, they beat the Indianapolis Colts
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and lost the right to draft cam Ward, which I'm
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: sure Eagles fans are thrilled with.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I'm happy with that, yes, yeah, yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Forcing them to go through with this and this year
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and trying to save their jobs was almost the cruelest
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: move possible potentially now as far as what they need
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to do to save their jobs and day ball in particular,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: you hear a lot about how the Giants have to win,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and that is part of it. I don't know that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: getting to a winning record, especially since you know we've
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: got the seventeen game season, you know, five hundred records
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: straight out unless there's a tie, but that'd be weird. Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I do think getting to like a six win season,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: but having the losses be competitive. Yeah, if the Giants
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: can make the Eagles and the Commanders work for it,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: beat the Cowboys and make say the forty nine Ers
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, the playing the AFC West, make those
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: teams work for it and maybe pull out some wins
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: against good competition. That I think could or maybe even
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: would buy day Ball at least another year, maybe even two.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: The other part of it, I think is having those
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: young guys take that step forward, have the free agent
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: additions hit, have the secondary play up to its potential,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe have Tyrone Tracy take another step forward, get something
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: out of Jalen Hyatt at wide receiver that would be fantastic,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: right yep it Maybe even have Evan Neil look like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a consistently competent starting offensive lineman. Yeah, all of that together,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I think would definitely go a long way to making
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: John Mara happy. I think more than anything, he just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: wants to see the team take a step in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: right direction and start looking like a team that can
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: be building for the next five years.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really going to be interesting to see
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: where this Giants team goes here in twenty twenty five.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Of course, with the draft next week and then the season,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: we got training camp. I feel like that's going to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: be here before we know it. But it's been a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: great conversation, a great discussion with you, Chris, and real quick.
• 27:03
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• 27:30
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• 27:33
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• 27:36
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• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It was a great time. I'm looking forward to talking
• 27:41
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• 27:42
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• 27:43
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• 27:44
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