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ITB Week 4 Postgame Show: Eagles Blow Chance To Put Rams Away, Suffer Consequence In Loss · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody.
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Inside the Birds postgame show. I'm Jeff Mosher.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: I'm here, of course, with Adam Kaplan. It is a
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: week four letdown for the Eagles, man. So many injuries
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: pile up. They play the Rams. They lose more players
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: in the game, Adam, and they fall 24-20, despite the
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: fact that they held a double-digit lead, a 20-10 lead
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: in the second half. And we see the Rams go
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: down the field and score two touchdowns in the fourth
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: quarter to edge it out. Let's just get this over with, Adam, because...
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: we're recording this like within, I don't know, a half
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: hour before the end of the game.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Still, it's fresh. I'm getting text messages after the game.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: Getting text message. We're getting social media tweets about it.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: The decision of Nick Sirianni on fourth and two to
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: go for the touchdown to go up 17 points there
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: instead of taking the field goal, go for three is
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: the absolute correct decision. And everything the Rams did validated
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: it because he was trying to end the game at 17. Now,
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: if you go up, 13 points there because you took
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: the field goal, then you just lose by one instead
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: of four, right? I mean, the math tells you that
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: he did the right thing and that the Rams scoring
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: two touchdowns, including going 98 yards on the first one, right?
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: That was the reason why I'm like, I get why
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: they did it because the defense is playing so well,
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: but because they're on the field for so long as
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: the offense just continued to sputter, I don't know what
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: their record is for the first four games, but to
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: not score a point in the second half, It is
• 1:38
  Speaker 3: hard to do. But I would tell you that I
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: understand both sides of the argument. You and I were texting.
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: I was sort of agreeing with you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I understand the others. How mathematically does
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: it make sense? You would have lost by one instead
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: of four.
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  Speaker 1: What's the difference?
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  Speaker 3: But again, it's how the Rams would have touched down
• 1:59
  Speaker 3: two field goals instead of 10 points. But you're saying, okay. Yeah.
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: you're saying as long as they, so you're absolutely correct.
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: If they go score, the game's absolutely over. There's no
• 2:11
  Speaker 3: way they're choking. Yep. There's no way they're choking. And
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: when you're that close, um, it's the argument against it
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  Speaker 3: is okay. It's just the execution. You've got Markel bell
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  Speaker 3: who you knew was going to be challenged. He was, we'll,
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: we'll get into that. We'll also talk more about it
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: with Greg Cosell on the inside of the tape show.
• 2:28
  Speaker 3: So we'll know exactly how we really played, but you know,
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: you're down at receiver. You don't have Lane Johnson. Give, uh,
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: give Cooper credit. Darius Cooper is just, I mean, he's
• 2:42
  Speaker 3: having to play because they're running out of players. And
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: good for him to show up. In fact, he caught
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: his first two passes for touchdowns and his third when
• 2:50
  Speaker 3: he slipped. But overall, their fight was there. The injuries
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: caught up to him. Lacks of execution. I'm not letting
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: Madden off the hook here. I'm going to tell you why.
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: This is something I talked about in our pregame show
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  Speaker 3: with Greg Cosell. And Greg's point was it's also the coaches,
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: his assistants as well, which is a fair point. But
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: you have to do all you can to help. My
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  Speaker 3: point was stack releases, bunches. They did reduce the receivers
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: and tight ends, which means you're not playing them out wide.
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: You're cutting it tighter. And it's hard to play man
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: coverage like that. It's a little bit harder to do it.
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: John D. Filippo told me that. In fact, he actually
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: explained it to me. It's much harder. Wider splits, it's
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: so much easier to press. When you make them tighter,
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: it's harder. because you knew it when you, when Chris Schulte,
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: the D coordinator sees what he's going up against. Okay.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: No Goddard, no Smitty. Okay. No Lane Johnson. Hello. We're
• 3:45
  Speaker 3: going to make life really hard for Jalen hurts. And he,
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  Speaker 3: and he did. Yeah. But I give them credit for
• 3:50
  Speaker 3: going up 2010 that they deserve credit for that. It's
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  Speaker 3: not sure.
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  Speaker 1: I know that.
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  Speaker 3: I know people who, who can't, who hates Sirianni are
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  Speaker 3: going to blame him. That's that's your deal. Go ahead
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: and blame him. He stinks. He's a bad coach. Okay.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call him. That's fine. But, Mannion
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  Speaker 3: deserves a chunk of this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's where I will agree with you, which folds
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: the last topic point into this one. I still think
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: they should have gone for it on fourth down because
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  Speaker 2: of everything I laid out mathematically. I did not love,
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  Speaker 2: and I know this is retrospect and judging play calling
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  Speaker 2: is an issue, but there was a mess up on
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: that fourth and goal play that they ran. It looked
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: to me like Hertz, who was under center, rolling out,
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  Speaker 2: ran into the motion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, real quick, real quick.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Sirianni tried to call timeout. I forgot to
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  Speaker 3: mention that. In fact, they showed it on a box.
• 4:38
  Speaker 3: You couldn't see it in the press box.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But Sirianni, he went down, he went like this, and
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: either he didn't hear him or he didn't see it.
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: So that might be on your point. That's obviously what
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about in my notes, and I forgot to
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  Speaker 3: mention that. But finish your thought. I just want to make.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: Sure you hear that.
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: In that situation, you know, four weeks into the season,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to run a play that you're really comfortable with,
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  Speaker 2: not a play that's going to have your quarterback get
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: obstructed by somebody.
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  Speaker 1: It was a discombobulated play. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was more of that than the Rams
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  Speaker 2: sniffed it out. I was in the locker room. I
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: asked some guys about it. Unfortunately, like when you're talking
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: to guys who were right after that, they need to
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: watch it on tape themselves. They know that they messed
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: up on an opportunity. In fact, a lot of them
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: were talking about that was the game right there. That
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: fourth and two play call was absolutely the game. Like
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: you said, if they go up 17, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: the Rams win.
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  Speaker 3: They know it.
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  Speaker 1: They know they blew it.
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  Speaker 2: But, It sort of goes back to what we said,
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: I guess, against the Bears game when Dalton came in
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  Speaker 2: and you allowed, you called a play that, yes, Andy
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  Speaker 2: Dalton should have never, ever thrown it. It's 90, 80%,
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: whatever percentage you want to put on Dalton from not
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: seeing the deep safety. But I loved your point. Like,
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: don't even let him have to make that decision coming
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  Speaker 2: in and call it off. Give him a sprint right
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  Speaker 2: option with one guy open or throw it away, right?
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  Speaker 2: And in this case, I would have probably... I'd rather
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  Speaker 2: seen something a little bit more effective where you don't
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  Speaker 2: have guys running into each other.
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  Speaker 3: They missed the tush push from a yard and a half.
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: It was not a yard. It was a yard and
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  Speaker 3: a half. It was a little longer. But they still
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  Speaker 3: missed it. I was like, wow, they didn't get it.
• 6:06
  Speaker 3: It was kind of obvious. You could see it with
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  Speaker 3: the video feed. They didn't get it. And I was like, oh, boy,
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: this is not good. They're starting to break down on offense.
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: And honestly, their offense did next to nothing in the
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: first half. But Hurts didn't turn it over. I've just
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: been a little bit underwhelmed with Manny, and I'm expecting more.
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: He doesn't control the injuries. I understand that. They didn't
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: know until this morning that they were not going to
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  Speaker 3: have or potentially have, not have, and they wound up
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: not having Lane Johnson. They don't control that. But the
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: players you do have, you need to take better advantage
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  Speaker 3: of it, okay? I know it's tough for him. He's
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  Speaker 3: a rookie play caller. He's dealt a very tough hand.
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  Speaker 3: But you can do more. Exactly what we talked about
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  Speaker 3: in our pregame show, he did not do enough of.
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  Speaker 3: I like stack releases because the defenses know exactly where
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: you're going. I like that. Bunches. The motion's very simple.
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: They had a great motion play for one of the runs,
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: which I liked. But you saw Hertz was part of
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: the run game, finally. More part of the run game.
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: A little bit, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Some of it was more scrambling, but yes, there were.
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they had at least one or two designs.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, but overall... I want to see more out
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  Speaker 3: of Mannion.
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  Speaker 2: So you're making a really good point that I wanted
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: to talk about here, but I also want to be fair.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, like we're trying to judge this guy in
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  Speaker 2: his fourth game when one or two injuries is okay.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, but losing two starting linemen, one
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: of them right before the game with Lane Johnson, and
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  Speaker 2: we hope everything's all right with him. And then obviously
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  Speaker 2: losing Barkley in the middle of the game, no Smitty.
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  Speaker 1: Like I get it.
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  Speaker 2: He had both hands tied behind his back, but there
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: are two things that stick out to me here.
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  Speaker 1: Adam, that you are hitting on.
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  Speaker 2: And that, you know, as the Eagles get healthier, we're
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: really going to have to key in on is.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully, yeah, they can't get it. They can't get any
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  Speaker 1: more unhealthy.
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  Speaker 2: But as they get healthier, like, yes, they are doing
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: the concepts that we talked about with Sean Manning as
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: far as under center and play action. But when they're
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: under center, they're running. When they're in shotgun, they're passing.
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  Speaker 2: To your point, like, you're not seeing anything that's giving
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  Speaker 2: the defense that much guesswork. OK, and I get it again.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: This is a bigger discussion for down the line, but
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  Speaker 2: it was also not just this game. It was weeks one,
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: two and three. We've seen the offense struggle. We know
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: they're in an adaptation mode. We know that there's growing pains.
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: We talked about it at nausea, but I was hoping
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: by this point we would start to see better examples of, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that was a good under center play action pass.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Where you explore the middle of the field or.
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  Speaker 2: Or you went shotgun and you whipped out one of
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: those either hurts runs or inside zones that surprised them
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: because they thought you were going to pass. It's a
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: little predictable right now. I don't think the route concepts
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  Speaker 2: look all that different. Every once in a while you
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: see something nice. But right now, to me, they're stuck
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: in the old offense versus the new offense. Trying to
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: run the old offense and new offense is closed, if
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. Meaning you're running, running, running, and then
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: you're passing when you should be passing.
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: Kosel had the stats in one of the shows last week. it's,
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. Like we've outlined for like three years, how
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: much better conceptual and how under center play action works. Okay.
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: They rarely do it. Like he's under, he's under center.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: They throw the football. I don't understand. I just don't understand.
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: That's the thing I don't get. And this is where Sirianni,
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: you don't want to be overbearing as a head coach,
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: but you have to see these things to put these
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: things out. These are the corrections that you can make. They're,
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: they're things they don't control. You mentioned Barkley. Obviously, that
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: was a major thing. And then his backup gets hurt.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: They end of the game with one running back. Now,
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: they do have three running backs on the practice squad.
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: G-Don Blue from the formerly the Cowboys is explosive, but
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: they were done with him for just lack of discipline.
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: And Carson Steele, who was in. player who could catch
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: the football, if you remember, what he did in the preseason.
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: And Damian Pierce was once a starting running back for
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: the Texans. So they have some guys. They're obviously going
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: to have to add one, if not two, next week.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if the Eagles have to fly to
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: London with Carson Steele and Jadon Blue as their healthiest
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: running backs?
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: Or Pierce. Pierce has been here for a while. He's
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: been here the longest of that group.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Either way.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: He's got the most looks in practice and training camp.
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: It's a tough deal. There's no question. Vannion is a
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: tough deal. But as a coach, you want to control
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: the things that you know how to control. You can't
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: control Lyman, your top two running backs being out. It
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: limits what you can do, but there's something you can
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: do with any amount of players that you have. That's
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: my one pet peeve. But when they had a full deck,
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: he wasn't really doing it very much. So you want
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: to see that. The tight end thing is like, see,
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: the thing is when you make trades, whether it's a
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: receiver or tight end or doing something, when you make trades,
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: you're not doing it for three weeks. Is they're going
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: to get these guys back? Because you're not going to
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: make up trades and the guys don't play anymore. Like
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: it doesn't work that way. if you're going to make
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: a trade, it's a guy's going to have a role here.
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: Like the guy's going to play a lot. And that's
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: the push pull with Smitty might not play next week
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: because he's had the same injury he's had for nearly
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: three months. Now you're now into the third month, early August,
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: all of August, almost all September. Now we're in October. Okay. Yeah.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: It's just the running game. It's tough. You can't get
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: anything going. It's people want to blame hurts. That's fine.
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: it's hard. You're limited. You're just limited to what you
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: can do, but you want to take advantage of what
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: you have.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: I think you hit a point on the head. I mean,
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: you can't watch this game and say, hey, Jalen Hurts
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: played great. He obviously didn't play great. He couldn't play great.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, the overloads on the right side of the
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: line made it very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: For them to even get a pass off.
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  Speaker 2: The one touchdown of the two that he threw was
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: a terrible pass that Darius Cooper saved them with an
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: unbelievable fingertip.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: He took it out of Lake's fingertips. That was amazing, right?
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: But to your point, the reason why they're going for
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: it on fourth and two with a real chance to
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: win that game if they go up 17 is because
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Hurts did not turn the ball over. And on a
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: day like today with no personnel around you and the
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: hits he was taking, I thought that was very admirable.
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing I could say about the offense
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: that was admirable, but that was– Very admirable. And we
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: say that quite a bit about Hurts, his ability to
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: face a lot of adversity and limit turnovers, even though
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: the last few weeks he's had some. This game was
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: about ball protection being the utmost security because you can't
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: give that other team extra possessions.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: We need to talk about, I had mentioned the pregame,
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: and I had no idea what the rain was going
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: to be like. You were at the game. But Brady
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: kept talking about the slick ball. It's funny, the Fox
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: cameras were covered in rain, but it didn't rain hard, right? Right.
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: It was a misty– like, it just– you know, I
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: was looking at the hour-by-hour. It was like 0.1, 0.1 rain, 0.1 rain.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, not the damn mist.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then Brady was talking about how tough it is,
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: even if it doesn't rain hard, but if it gets slick. Mm-hmm.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: And Darius Cooper fell. Yep. You saw guys slipping a
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: little bit. The ball wasn't coming out of Stafford's hands
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: well enough and all. So he played like crap. And,
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: you know, the Eagles defense was really good for two-and-a-half quarters. Now,
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: the run defense– which is really good for a while
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: in the game. Then they started diving, missing tackles. Kyron
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Williams got shut down for a while. Then he got
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: the game done. He was really great in the end. And,
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I give finally Sean McVay beat Sirianni, but
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: it wasn't easy. The Eagles kind of gave it to him,
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: but we understand why, because they didn't control a lot
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: of it, which is injuries.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: I think, Adam, when I look at this game, knowing
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: what they were up against, One loss, week four, I
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: get it. It's two straight losses for them, and they're 2-2,
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: and it's still so early in the season.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: They were 2-2 the Super Bowl year.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: So I have less concern about this actual loss and
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: some of the elements of it that we're talking about
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: and more about, holy cow, how are the next few
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: weeks going to be looking like? I mean, we have
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: no idea what's going to be the status of Lane Johnson. Again,
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: we hope everything is okay with him. That obviously hurt
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: them to not have him at the last minute like that.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: And now you've got guys dropping like flies, both on
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: offense and defense. Who knows what it's going to look like?
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: And then this team has kind of been hit with
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: the pop-up injuries throughout the week for the last few weeks, too.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: So you're trying to get as many wins. You're trying to,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: as a team, come together. You're trying to learn your
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: new offense, improve on defense. And yet it's always like
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of steps backward with all these injuries. So
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I have major concern there. And I'm sure you're going
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: to agree with me because we already talked about this.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: The Eagles are skating on thin ice with their bottom
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: roster management and their elevations. They did not elevate an
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: offensive tackle knowing Fred Johnson was going to be out.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: They didn't know about Lane Johnson, but they knew Fred
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Johnson was already out. So that means you only have
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: one backup tackle, who's the rookie, Markel Bell, right, who
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: is really just a right tackle. Imagine if Jordan Mailata
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: or if Bell had gotten hurt in this game where
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: everybody was getting hurt and the rain– They would have
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: had to move Tyler Steen, the only guy who's probably
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: played tackle before. And then played Willie Lampkin at the
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: other guy. I mean, it would have been even more
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: of a disaster than it was. They've got to figure
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: something out. They cannot continue to skate by this way
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: without it really backfiring on them.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So on your point about that, let's just kind
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: of reveal where they're at on both sides of the
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: football with the injury situation and what has to happen. Remember,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: they're playing in London next week. Our time, 9.30 a.m. Eastern. Oh, boy.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: It's a tough deal. So, Smitty with a hamstring, I'd
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: be surprised if he played. This is the same injury, again,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: as we outlined Freeze had for over eight weeks. It
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: doesn't get better by playing on it, okay?
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing like sitting on a 12-hour flight, eight to
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: 12-hour flight with a bum hamstring.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: That's not easy.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Tough deal. Tough deal. Hollywood Brown, who got hurt in
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: last week's practice with the ankle injury. So, we don't
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: know if it's high ankle or not, but They could
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: have used him. Because they don't have anyone that could run, really, downfield,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: past 10 yards. Wicks is sort of like an intermediate
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: area running for the catch guy, but they need a verticality,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: and he's really not that guy. They look good, but
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: it's getting harder and harder because he's having more of
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: a role. Then you mentioned Lane Johnson, his personal issue.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: We'll see about next week. Fred Johnson, who got hurt
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: last week's practice with a knee injury. We don't know
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: exactly what it is. That's concerning. Let me see. Defensively,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Grenard with the ankle did not return it for getting hurt.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: He did start for the first time, by the way.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: He did start the game. Had a couple quality rushes.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Zach Vaughn with a concussion. He needs to get cleared.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Quinion Mitchell with a knee injury, which was kind of odd.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Of course, Barkley, excuse me. Barkley with the right hamstring injury.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: He didn't return. And then Tank Bigsby. It looked groin,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: but they didn't list it, so I don't know what
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: it is. Yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: It didn't look easy. It didn't look like something he
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: could shake off easily. I mean, I don't want to speculate,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: but just from a live viewpoint, it did not look great.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: So offense we've done, we mentioned a cue with the
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: knee injury. We hope it's no more than a hyperextension.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: When he hit the ground on the sideline, his legs
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: were spread a little bit, and it might have hyperextended
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: his knee. We'll see. See what the evaluation is.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: By the way, did TV note the fact that for
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a real brief moment, Drew Kendall was in the medical tent?
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I didn't have the sound up all the time.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: That would have also been another disaster.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: When was he there?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: It was early.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: It was not too long after Saquon went out. He
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: came back. Just think of what you'd have to do
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: on your own. Lampkin would have had to come in
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and then you got Lampkin playing next to him. Or
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Juergens maybe moves back and Lampkin goes to guard.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And Markel Bell starting on the right side.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It would have been tough.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: All right. So right now, here you're starting. Depending on
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: what happens with Lane Johnson, whether Lane's able to be
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: back next week or not, we don't know yet. So
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: right now, it's Wicks, Lemon, and Cooper are the three receivers.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: And Elijah Moore's the fourth. You saw him run in motion,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: but they don't throw it to him.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Okay. So Markel Bell's your right tackle. The tight ends,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: they dressed four. They elevated Ertz, so it was Munt, Ertz.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: They just went with a committee. Jenkins and DeGuarra, who
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: was 45, I saw them in the game. Right now,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Will Shipley would be a starting running back against Jacksonville
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: until we get more information about the other two guys.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: If the other two guys are not available, they'll obviously
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: have to elevate two running backs next week. Sign them
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: off of it, elevate either way, but you can't go
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: in a game with two running backs. That cannot happen.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: It's not like the Eagles. The Eagles don't use a fullback.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: They didn't do any practicing with it. There was some
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: stuff that was out there that was completely false. Someone
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: put it out there that they had plays with a
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: fullback in training camp. That's not true. They would have
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: the F tight end offset, and it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Looked like it's not a tight end. No, no.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: You're just putting them in a different alignment.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's called the F position. In fact, Ertz did
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: a lot with Goddard when they played together.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: All right, so defensively now.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, I just wanted to say,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the Eagles played with 47 players today, okay?
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know why.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You got one extra spot. Like, you could have signed
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Ertz if you wanted to your 53. I mean, he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: probably going to get there eventually. And then used an
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: elevation on the offensive line.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't know about Lane, right, but they didn't know...
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Even if it's.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: 48, you're off 49, right? You could have....
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: In terms of how many guys could you have active
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: on game day? 47. Yeah. Right, right.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: 47 active. But Cole Payton was one of their inactives, correct?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: No, they couldn't have an extra inactive because they ran
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: out of guys.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Right, right. No, Cole Payton was inactive. He was definitely inactive.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: He was inactive, but he wasn't the inactive quarterback. They
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: didn't need to do that.
• 20:31
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  Speaker 3: So let's go to defense. They got the three, the
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: front three. There were 34 fronts. Bernard got hurt as
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: one of their starters.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Played well, though. You could tell he was making an
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: impact before he left.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: He was. He looked good. He actually looked good. And,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: by the way, Smitty started over. Nolan Smith started over Hunt. So,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: right now, Hunt will start and Smith will start. And then,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: secondary with Quinion Mitchell's injury. We don't know that. If
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: he can't play. It's Jonathan Jones who made some plays.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Gave up some plays.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: He made some plays. They picked on him. Let's be honest.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Immediately.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You were right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: You said Stafford didn't play very well for that, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: he had a chance to really strike to, was it
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Devontae Adams deep on Jonathan Jones about four plays in
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: on that third down, and he just overthrew it by
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Might have hit the top of his fingers.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a tough play. They had beaten Jones badly
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: on that, yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, the defense did its job.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I expected the rebound.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: They really did, but then... it caught up with them
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: with Grenard out Mitchell out. Okay. Oh, and then of course,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Bon out being who's one of the best coverage linebackers,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the national football league. So that, that crushed him. So
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: right now linebacker, you've got trot junior until bonds. We'll
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: see if bond gets cleared. It's very rare for a,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, it happens, but it's, it's rare for a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: player to be out two weeks at concussion. But anyway,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: we'll see what we'll see. It was a short week. Anyway,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't could be available. We'll see how he's doing.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: He needs to be able to travel. So we'll see.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: It's not a lock that will be available. So Trott Jr.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: is starting for him. At a corner now, we mentioned Jones.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Carter for Epps. And now the backups now. Okay, the
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: key backups. Kenny Moore was active, was he not, for
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the game?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: He was. I believe he was.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's why they signed him off there. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: right now, the fourth corner, I totally forgot Johnny McFadden.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Mac McWilliams is 22. I'm like, who's 22? Is that
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Asante Samuel? No, it's Mac McWilliams.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yep. He was in there.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's because I haven't seen him in a while.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: So he, he, he seemed to be the fourth corner. Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: So they're running, they're running really low in depth right now.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: It's getting to the point where, you know, you see
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: who's available. It's really odd. Howie for several years was
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: not likely working out players. They're generally, they're down near
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the end on the work player workouts in season. Um,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: so they're, they're not really gonna have to have a
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: choice here. They're gonna have to start working on players
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And then they got to look at the trade market.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: They've got to look at the trade market. It's, but again,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: it's for, you're not bringing someone here as a fifth,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: like a fifth receiver. You need someone here. If you're
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: going to make a trade for receiver or tight end
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: tight ends, way more important because they're getting Smitty's Smitty's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: not going to be out that much longer.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Um, knock on wood.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if he has another setback, yeah, that's the problem.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You can't keep playing this guy. But I just want
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: people to understand, I think sometimes we're short-sighted with these trades.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Just make a trade. Just make a trade. Well, what
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: type of player are you trading for? A starter? Or
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: a backup? Does he know the terminology here? This is
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the thing that's plagued Howie a little bit with trades
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: over the years. They bring guys in here who don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: know the terminology or don't understand. Like Ja'Cory Bennett didn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: understand the defense. He just did. Okay. Kevin Byard is
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: about as smart as it gets. It was a non-factor
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: in 23. Okay. In season trading for safety, it doesn't work. Right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You have to be careful. They have to understand the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: West coast terminology if you're going to do that. So
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. And we'll try to put together
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a list of realistic trade targets that you don't have
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: to give up a ton for. I was laughing at
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: like Jerry, Jerry Judy is so Jerry Judy is basically
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a glorified slot receiver. The Browns would die to give
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: him away.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. he has no role. It's like, why would you
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: trade for this guy?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, he, I, I wouldn't want them, but yeah,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that's the problem is that some of the areas where
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the Eagles really use like an offensive line, a guard
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: to play left guard, right?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: No, it's trading a good left guard in the middle
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: of the year. You're not going to, that's not going
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to happen. Um, And there are certain spots, like cornerback,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it's hard to find a really good corner.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner is a once-in-a-lifetime thing because the team gets–
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Howie's not giving up two first-round picks for safety.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: But what I would say was, depending on the severity
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: of these injuries, that changes everything. If these are serious, okay,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: if these guys are going to be out long-term, then
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: you have to throw a little bit of caution to
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: one and go, hey, listen, we're going to need a
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: pretty good player here. That's what I'm trying to say is,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: depends on the type of player you're looking for, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: position– do you think they fit? What's the cost? That's
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: always number one. What is the cost? And what will
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the role be here?
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: You need, this is where pro personnel departments are so
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: important because they know these players back. It's their job
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: to know who's available. They know by snap counts, by
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: their own sources, they kind of know, because remember they
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: get to try, they're allowed to go to games. They
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: can't go to practice, but they go to games. They see,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: they watch warmups. They kind of know body language. They
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: kind of know what's going on. So the, The Eagles
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: are in an interesting situation, but as we mentioned the
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: other day, the Jaguars game should be extremely tough. It's
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: going to be hard to win, but their schedule eases
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: up big time after that. Big time.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You just have to hope the injuries ease up on
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: them as they get into that easier part of their schedule.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Is there anything I mean? Look, special teams was great.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Britton Covey had an awesome return that helped set up
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. Jake Elliott made a 58, 56-yard field goal.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: If you're going to look for one area of the
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: team that really came through and gave them a shot.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It was that because those were two really, really big
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: plays in the game that helped them build that 10
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: point lead. But other than that, I mean, it's hard
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: to get too nitpicky on things when the.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Situation was what it is.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And we'll have a lot of coverage this week on
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Inside the Birds, breaking down some of the things that happened. Obviously,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Greg will go into it. I really want to go
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: on that fourth and two play with Greg and see
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: what the breakdown was that led to them not even
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: being able to get a positive play on it. And
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: then we'll take a look at how the Rams were
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: able to go down the field pretty easily there.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter and where the breakdowns were.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: One thing I did notice and look at my notes
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: here is that, and this is where Greg comes in.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Cause we'll have to, we'll have to ask if he
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: noticed it. Sometimes when quarterbacks know that they're playing with
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: backup linemen, like CJ Stroud, one of the part of
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: his regression is he's, he's perceiving or feeling pressure before
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: it happens. Greg was telling me that when he was
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: watching tape, although he was great Sunday against Dallas, but
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: there were three or four plays where I saw it
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: was like, why is Hertz keep retreating? Like, why does
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: he keep doing this? One of them was the touchdown
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: to Cooper, where clearly he kept dropping back. Like, stand
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: there and throw. You're not going to get sacked. Like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: why are you moving? But we want Greg to confirm
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that or say, eh, maybe he wasn't. Sometimes he doesn't
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: quite agree with it, depending on what the tape looks like.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: This is the all 22, not the TV copy, for
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: people that don't seem to understand that. It's actually kind
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of funny. Some people still don't get that. Like, they'll
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: watch the show with Greg, and they still don't understand. Like, wait,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: what is he talking about? Because some of the fans
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: are watching TV copy. You only get one angle. We
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: get three or four off of all 22. There you go.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Good stuff.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, real quick, just want to thank a couple of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Inside the Birds listeners that I met over the weekend
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: at my daughter's softball tournament. If you know South Philly,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: if you're familiar with that area, they have a great
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: baseball softball youth program, EOM, Edward O'Malley. We played them Saturday.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: The coaching staff said that they love Inside the Birds.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So very classy team. Great, well-coached team.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Awesome team. The whole organization is awesome, so we thank
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: them for listening. There was another coach. He said JB
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: was his name. This is from a different team.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: He said, I'm an OG member, listener of Inside the Birds,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: so I want to shout out JB. I believe his
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: team was the stars, but really nice to– always great
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to go out in the public and hear people.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: They love Inside the Birds, so we love you all back.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That's going to do it for this edition of the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Inside the Birds post-game show.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: For Adam Kaplan, I'm Jeff Mosher. We'll catch you all
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: on the next one.