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The Crow-back · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: Provide more cooling in the containment chambers. Do you still
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  Speaker 2: use Movie Meltdown?
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  Speaker 3: Dead people don't snow. Or do they? What's up? Welcome
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  Speaker 3: to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. And joining me this episode
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  Speaker 3: via the magic of the internet is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Sam.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for being here.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, no problem, Brian. Thanks for asking.
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  Speaker 3: And it's kind of your fault this time.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 3: Is it? Oh, yeah. I said let's record, but then
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  Speaker 3: you got us in this boat that we're currently floating
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  Speaker 3: at sea, lost at sea, somewhere under the sea. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right.
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  Speaker 3: I figured, knowing how things usually go with us, specifically
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: when we're supposed to focus, I'm using air quotes, focus.
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  Speaker 3: focus on a movie, one particular movie, we better not
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  Speaker 3: distract ourselves with the top of the show of their
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  Speaker 3: movie talk or we'll never get to our movie.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll just get rolling and I'm sure we'll sidetrack
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  Speaker 3: ourselves along the way, but that's fine. That's fine. I
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  Speaker 3: did want to say beforehand, this is sort of interesting
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  Speaker 3: for the two of us because, you know, normally we
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  Speaker 3: just sit in our house and watch stuff and then
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  Speaker 3: talk about it. But this time, We went out into
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  Speaker 3: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Into the actual biosphere.
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  Speaker 3: Both of us left the house and went out amongst people.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: And saw a movie in a theater.
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  Speaker 1: A movie in a theater. I had my aluminum foil
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  Speaker 1: hat on. I had my dishwashing gloves on with my
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  Speaker 1: Windex and everything. Just a regular old Tuesday for you.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I found out that in Seven Miles Away,
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  Speaker 1: there's an older movie theater that I've always enjoyed going to.
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  Speaker 1: And it's called the Aurora Cineplex. And I've had many
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  Speaker 1: people that I've known work at this place. But this
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  Speaker 1: was not where I grew up and everything. But I've
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  Speaker 1: just always enjoyed this one because it was more of
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  Speaker 1: an old school theater experience. And they still do early movies.
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  Speaker 1: They still do early movies on a Tuesday. All right.
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  Speaker 1: They still they do movies, early movies all week. All right.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, retirees got to have something to do.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: God bless. God bless.
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  Speaker 3: Literally, the guys that used to be on the show,
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  Speaker 3: I hardly ever see him anymore. But like that all
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  Speaker 3: worked at a specific theater. Their stories, it was funny.
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  Speaker 3: That's all there was. Most of the week, maybe some
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  Speaker 3: late night shows during the week, but weekends were normal
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  Speaker 3: teenagers and kids and cool kids and people just hanging
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  Speaker 3: out on the town. During the week, specifically in the daytime,
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  Speaker 3: nothing but old retired people that have nothing to do
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  Speaker 3: all day. And they just go sit there and may
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  Speaker 3: or may not fall asleep in the theater. Oh, wait, no,
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  Speaker 3: that's me. Okay, never mind. If only I was retired.
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  Speaker 3: That is what I think every day when I leave
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  Speaker 3: the house. I'm like, why? Why can't I just stay
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  Speaker 3: home and do whatever the hell I want?
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  Speaker 1: Do my projects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a lot of stuff to do. Don't
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  Speaker 3: get me wrong. I made up a lot of work
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  Speaker 3: for myself to do.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I overwhelm myself sometimes with things that no one else
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  Speaker 3: cares about that I've convinced myself I have to do.
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  Speaker 1: To do this is this is the things these are
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  Speaker 1: the important things right right and once we retire and
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  Speaker 1: everything we will have time to do all these little
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  Speaker 1: projects you know um i mean it.
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  Speaker 3: Is kind of my my thinking i convince myself these
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  Speaker 3: are important and i think work is not important like.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like i'm right i know i know that's
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  Speaker 1: yeah this is total drag total drag Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. These things in our brains seem
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  Speaker 1: much more important than the actual reality that we are
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  Speaker 1: actually living in. But I think they are equal. It's
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  Speaker 1: the yin-yang. But this movie theater has a $ 6. 50 movie
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  Speaker 1: if you get there before noon. And I remember those things.
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  Speaker 1: At the theater I worked at, we had those. They
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  Speaker 1: were a pain in the butt. But uh, to, to
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  Speaker 1: work during, but, uh, but, uh, but, uh, but, but,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that in the late movie, but, but $ 6
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  Speaker 1: and 50 cents is a pretty good deal to see
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  Speaker 1: a movie that, uh, when nobody cares about movies, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, it's just like, Hey, we gotta, we gotta
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  Speaker 1: adjust the, we gotta make the rent, you know? So let's,
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  Speaker 1: let's get people in somehow, you know? So anyway, God
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  Speaker 1: bless them every day of the week. They have a
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  Speaker 1: 10 AM showing of something. And it's pretty darn cheap. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we both ventured out into the world.
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  Speaker 3: As far as my theater, let me ask you this
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  Speaker 3: about yours, because this is I realized I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: guess I've always sort of known this, but so much
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  Speaker 3: so I was realizing it there and other places recently.
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  Speaker 3: My favorite aspect of the theater I go to now,
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  Speaker 3: which is a big chain and like attached to a
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  Speaker 3: freaking mall and like the most generic homogenized theater ever. Right.
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  Speaker 3: But the reason I go to that one was I
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  Speaker 3: ended up there like years ago just for something for
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  Speaker 3: the show and went, oh, look at this new feature.
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  Speaker 3: So does yours involve you interacting with humans?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it does.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. What sort of old timey place are you going to?
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  Speaker 3: Because I realize now it's like the reason I like
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  Speaker 3: to go to this one is it's got the whole
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  Speaker 3: website and I go to the website. Not only do
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  Speaker 3: I buy the ticket, I pick out my seat well
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  Speaker 3: beforehand before the other nerds come along and take all
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  Speaker 3: the good spots. Right. So I get my spot that
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: I like early. Then I don't have to worry about
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  Speaker 3: getting there for a seat. So I leave the house
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  Speaker 3: like 10 minutes before I need to be there because
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  Speaker 3: it's right up the jump on the highway and I'm there.
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  Speaker 3: And then I get there, I walk in, I go
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  Speaker 3: to another giant computer screen, type in my thing and
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  Speaker 3: it spits out a ticket. And then I didn't come
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  Speaker 3: in contact with some weird ticket person. And then I
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  Speaker 3: get up there and the ticket guy at the door
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  Speaker 3: just scans it. And half the time they're dumb kids
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  Speaker 3: that don't even talk to me. So they just beep
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  Speaker 3: and I walk past them and I go sit in
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  Speaker 3: the theater and I find the seat based on my
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: number and no humans were really spoken to. or no
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: interactions took place and I was like no wonder I
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  Speaker 3: like this so much I am detached from all humanity
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  Speaker 3: and I found a way to go see movies like.
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  Speaker 1: That that's right it's basically like being at home but
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  Speaker 1: there's just somebody who kind of passed by the theater
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  Speaker 1: closest to my house is one of those terrible movie
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: tavern places you know you can eat ribs that's trouble
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  Speaker 1: dude Dude, I hate it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even trust the popcorn people anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, absolutely. No, I hate it.
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  Speaker 3: I love popcorn, but I don't trust other people and
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  Speaker 3: their food eating around me.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all, man. It has ruined so many
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  Speaker 1: movie-going experiences for me. When the person next to me
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  Speaker 1: is chomping away at something, I'm just like, oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 1: Just the chewing noises are like, can't be drowned out.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for getting the pot roast. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know. It's just gross. It's just gross.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. And, you know, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to watch like some Scarlett Johansson movie.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get back to that. Gross.
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  Speaker 1: Just nasty. You know. And anyway. Anyway. So what?
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  Speaker 3: OK.
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  Speaker 1: The point was the. it is so detached at that
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  Speaker 1: movie theater. I just know people who go early morning,
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  Speaker 1: early weekend mornings and they don't have anybody there. You
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  Speaker 1: just walk in and you don't see anybody. And so
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  Speaker 1: it's just became this guy's a regular thing. Just don't,
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  Speaker 1: Walk in, walk into the movie, you know, because it's
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  Speaker 1: like a ghost town.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there may not be anybody running it at all.
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  Speaker 3: They should put just like a big VCR controls on
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  Speaker 3: the wall. So when you get in the theater, you
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  Speaker 3: just walk up and hit a big play button and
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  Speaker 3: then sit down and start your movie. And then like,
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  Speaker 3: you're good.
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  Speaker 1: It should just be like an automat where, you know, you,
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  Speaker 1: it should be like connected to your cell phone. And
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  Speaker 1: if you walk into the building, you're charged, you know. Cha-ching! Cha-ching!
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, but I mean, it's like crazy. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, these movie theaters are so understaffed now.
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  Speaker 1: When I went to go see Furiosa, it was like
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  Speaker 1: a Friday night. and it was like one person I.
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: Mean I went surprisingly I've gone I went for a
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  Speaker 3: long time and didn't see anything like I think whatever
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: the last thing we talked about on the show probably
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  Speaker 3: one of the weird superhero movies that I was kind
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: of meh on like a lot of lately but it
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: was probably the last thing I saw. So up until
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  Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, I hadn't seen anything in a
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: while in the theater. And then all of a sudden
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: I've seen, I've been there like three times lately, which
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  Speaker 3: is really weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I just went yesterday and like, it was to
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  Speaker 3: me the biggest movie in the world right now. And
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  Speaker 3: yet I went in my entire row was empty, which
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. I was so excited to not
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  Speaker 3: have to be like awkwardly sitting really close to a
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  Speaker 3: person that like doesn't really want you there and vice
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: versa so like no offense i'm you know they can
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: live their life but i don't need to be that
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  Speaker 3: close to you so yeah i got there and i
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: was just like oh no weird awkward armwrestling going yeah
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: messing with your seats up and down back and forth
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  Speaker 3: yeah i was just like there were other people in
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  Speaker 3: the theater surprisingly but you know my whole row was
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  Speaker 3: empty and stayed empty the whole time i love that
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: yeah Don't get me wrong, I enjoy that. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think the theater or the movie industry likes these facts,
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  Speaker 3: but I like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Omega Man, you know? It's like Charlton Heston
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: watching Woodstock.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch Woodstock now. Give my own commentary and
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: nobody's gonna care because everybody's dead. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's sort of the way it feels like
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  Speaker 1: at movies now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, my life in general. Well, that's what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't because I did that with my movie ticket.
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  Speaker 3: And then later, as I was getting my food, and
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: I think most of my food choices now are like,
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: there's at least two that I hit regularly. One of
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  Speaker 3: which I never come in contact with people. It literally
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  Speaker 3: is automatic. I love the magic door that opens when
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: I get there and I get my food and I
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  Speaker 3: don't talk to the dumb kid at the counter and
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  Speaker 3: I walk right the fuck out. It's like the greatest
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  Speaker 3: thing ever. And there's another one that I go in
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  Speaker 3: regularly and they have the big screen on there and
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: I go and I type it in and I don't
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  Speaker 3: say my thing to my person that takes my order
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: because nobody takes my order and I get the right
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: thing because I typed it in myself. The most there
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: is they hand it to me. Sometimes they don't even
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: say anything. They just sit it on the counter and
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  Speaker 3: the kid's like, and then i take it and happily
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: walk out the door and get away from them.
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  Speaker 1: And they got their earbuds in you know everywhere you
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: go they don't even listen until you're like jamming out
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: their spotify account.
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  Speaker 3: Actually i had that yesterday but it was a grandma
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  Speaker 3: and she had these big old like freaking beats looking
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: ones on like they were these giant ones and she
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: was sitting there Just sort of head bobbing like she
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: was rocking out. And I was like, all right, grandma,
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: you go for it.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Technology is a ruined people.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's as impressive as the second
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  Speaker 3: when I went to get my food at the place
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  Speaker 3: where I didn't interact with anyone. There was another grandma
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  Speaker 3: equally as old. But I kind of had to feel
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: bad because it was grandma and her like 14 year
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: old grandson. I'm assuming just guessing these. But the fact
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: that he was with her and yet she was wearing
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: one of those denim caps with sparkly words on it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: And the sparkly words said juicy. oh no and i
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: was like oh that poor kid like if she wants
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  Speaker 3: to wear that i guess that's up to her cool
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: but the fact that your grandson is with you man
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: that is uncool for him what the hell are you
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  Speaker 3: doing grandma juicy out of the town i'm assuming you
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: also wore your juicy hat when you I swear I'm
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: not making that up. That was yesterday.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: That was yesterday. It is kind of like living in
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: the zombie apocalypse, but the zombies all just kind of suck,
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: The zombies are just the most ridiculous assemblage of humans
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: that are left roaming the Earth. Yeah, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: You don't really want to interact with them, but you
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: can't look away. Car wreck that they all are. And
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of throwing myself in that mix. But yeah,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: the car wreck that is humans at this point, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just like, I can't look away. I just... I feel
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  Speaker 3: so bad for this dumb kid. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a carny show. It's kind of
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: like every time you walk out, it's kind of like
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: walking into a carnival, you know, it's like the, the
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: three ring circus of humanity that it's become. And it's
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: all just kind of like, uh, Kishi, uh, tacky, uh, ridiculous, uh,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: surface level candy wrapper. Uh, it's, it's like the culture
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: has become a, a deep fried Twinkie. You know, I was.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Thinking of John Waters movie. It is. Dude.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is, man. It's like John Waters
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: got into the water supply, like the crazies. Literally, Waters.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: And the water supply.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Something's in the John Waters. Right, exactly.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: And it's just turned everybody into zombies, John Waters zombies.
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  Speaker 1: And it's very true. No, all right. So two things.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Whew. All right.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: So we're getting warmed up now. So we're the movie
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: theater experience. All right.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I go there at 10. I have to talk to
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: two teenagers. Okay. All right.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: But it was kind of cool because, you know, ever
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: since COVID. I have lost my ability to speak to people.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: And so barely there before.
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  Speaker 1: It was not my strong suit before. And then so,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you go up there and you just sort
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: of try to talk and everything. And all your words
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: come out dyslexic and everything. And they're going like, oh,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you can see that the people that are selling you
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the ticket or giving you your ticket. Or something. Whatever. Oh,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: that's another thing I ought to mention. But the people
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: that are selling your ticket, they're going like, aw, he
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: probably lives in a person-enabled group home.
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  Speaker 3: You know? I was like, they're just like, aw, they
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: let dad out by himself.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: They let dad out, or they're like, aw.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: The kids need to keep a better leash on this boy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, they know what's going on, but he is clueless.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you try to say like, hey, I just
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: try to say something, but it comes out all backwards
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: and forwards and upside and downside. You're going like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: I think the message got lost when I was like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it's OK, man. Hey, buddy. It's like, hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: We'll get you some popcorn. It'll be all right.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It's going to be. Hey, buddy. So you get to
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: go see your movie today.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's great.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you like the crow.
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  Speaker 3: What are you, like an old man or something?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, okay.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Sit down right here.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Do you like the crow? Do you need us to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: walk you to your seat? It's kind of spooky here.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I know you're very gothy.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: You're into it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Shut up!
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I just came from Hot Topic.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Shut up.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, anyway. But they actually handed me an
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: actual paper ticket, which I haven't had in like the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: last 20 times. I still get mine. No, I never
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: get mine. See, I do everything through an app. And
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: so they just scan the barcode on your phone, right?
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I don't like phone scanning. Dude.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I used to collect stubs, you know, and everything.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly. That's why I like mine. Container of them sitting
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: right over there, right now.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, I've got a new one now. I haven't
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: had one in forever. And I looked at it and
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like a silent, stoic tear ran down my face going like,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I remember. Oh, it's like Pinhead at the end of
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Hellraiser 2.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: It's just like, I remember. I think the new option
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: is every time you have them scan that phone, you
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: take that phone and you go throw it in a bowl.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: and you gotta get a new phone because it's like
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: this is my memory of when i went to see
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the crow so i can't use this phone ever again
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: it's just remind me of that wonderful decision i made
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: when i went to see the crow.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: The wonderful wonderful time i had you know it's.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Stacked on top of all these other phones that i
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: went to the theater and that's right so that's it
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: i mean they're kind of disposable at this point anyway
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: so you just go and it's your ticket stub you
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Hopefully they don't tear it in half because that's going
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: to be a mess.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: They're so cheap now because they put up suicide nets
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: around the factories to catch the people jumping to their
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: deaths because they can't stand working there anymore.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, can you blame them really?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: As we've discussed, work is dumb.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Work sucks. But what was it? The third thing. At
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the movie theater I went to, no assigned seating. So
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you just go. What year is this? wild, wild country.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Even if you go into the app, they will not
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: let you pick a pre-seat and everything. They're going like, look,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you're just going to have to get there early, like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a freaking adult okay and get the seat you want
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: 1950s or something like it's about 1950s gotta go see
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: me one of the pictures go to the picture show
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: i gotta get dressed up there go i gotta get
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: there to see the newsreel cartoons this is how we
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: live our lives that's it that's it so i was
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: telling you when we were planning the uh planning this episode,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that this is going to be early, and it's kind
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: of like the old men sitting at the Hardee's, you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: drinking their coffee and eating their stuff.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I got my coffee, so that's a given.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: You know, we've got a Bojangles. Do you have a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Bojangles name? you in your town?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I've watched so many Bojangles close down in my area. Like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you if there's one currently, but I
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: remember growing up there was one, and then that one closed,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and then I thought they went away and weren't even
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: in town anymore, and then more came back, and those closed. And, like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: now I don't know if a new one's opened. But,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, is Bojangles your usual breakfast stop? No, it's not.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: It's not.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I was just trying to figure out, like, give me
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: some dirty rice and a coffee. Right, right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: It's nine in the morning. I need heartburn now. I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: need a nuclear-powered chicken biscuit, all right? Nuclear-powered chicken biscuit
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: is going to be my band name.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: We're going to have practice on Tuesdays.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It's going to be awesome. Practice on Tuesday. Be there
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: if you're serious about The Rock, right?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're not there, you are out of the band. Out.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: First time, out. Well, at the Bojangles near my house, though,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I've been there enough to know that there is like
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: this gaggle of old retirees, you know, that meet there
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: in the morning and I guess discuss, you know, the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: politics of the day, you know. But I've seen that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: at the Hardee's. I've seen that at the Bojangles, you know.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But there are certain places where they just sort of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: meet up, and I don't know how they find each other,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Message boards?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Craigslist?
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Need old man to eat biscuits with.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Probably an index card thumbtack to a cork board somewhere at, like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: an old-timey grocery store or something. Like, I think they're
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: really old school.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it is. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: And there's like a community center in the town nearby. So,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you know, they may say like, hey, want to eat
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: biscuits with me?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's a normal thing. I'm rarely
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: at a McDonald's, especially in the morning. But the few
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: times I've been around, like there is just like an
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: old crew and all they get is like a freaking
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: coffee and just sit there because they have nothing to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: do because the movies don't start till 11. Like we
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: have nothing to do. We're up at 4.30. I'm going
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: to go get my coffee and sit there until the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: movie opens, and then I'm going to take a nap
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: in the movies, and then I'll come home and do
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: some gardening.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, you just described basically my perfect day. So, yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I think I'm ready for that, man. I think I'm
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: ready to do it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I want the retiring, but I got other
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: crap I got to do. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I know. I know. I mean, yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Sure. Sure.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you've still got ambition, Brian. You know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that's been sapped out of me.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: How ambitious do you have to be that your life
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: plan is to build this cyberpunk Lego world I'm working
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: on over here? But, you know, hey, that's just goals.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Life goals.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I think. if you can have the goals that you
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: had when you were, you know, pre-puberty, you know, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: can now, hey, now I've got the power of adulthood,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: The power of credit cards.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: The power of credit cards to actually see some of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: this stuff through. Yeah, I think that's a great thing.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool thing. It makes me
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: want to segue into a show I've been watching, but
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to completely destroy it. I don't want
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to destroy this episode. I think we're so close to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: actually talking about the movie that we're here to talk about.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Towards it and that's what i was yeah that's what
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: i was thinking that was my lead into it is
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: because i remember being at the theater to see the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: crow and i'm walking down the aisle while past all
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: because it was at the very end in this little
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: shoebox sized one because nobody was going to see the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: crow and i'm walking down the aisle past all the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: other open doors and And I'm like, looking at all
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the other movies I could be going to. And I
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: was like, what the hell was he thinking with this idea?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Dude, dude, listen, listen, listen.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I don't regret it, but it was funny because I
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: literally was walking by going, oh, I haven't seen that one. Ooh,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: look what's in there. I haven't seen that either. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: should probably be, I guess I gotta go see The Crow.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I walk by Alien Romulus, I'm going like, man, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going to be able to get.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Why am I not watching that?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Why am I not giving this freaking franchise another freaking chance?
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: As you should.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It has been disappointing since 1991, but I'm going to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: keep going, even after Covenant, you know, basically made me
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: swear off movies for a month, you know?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I'm on board with the first four. The last two
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: are weird as hell, but interesting nonetheless. But yeah, anything
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: from the let's Prometheus this bullshit and keep on rolling.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, Ridley, what have you done?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So it's funny that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: The next one that like somebody actually cared about and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: thought was potentially good has nothing to do with Ridley.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: He did two that nobody wanted to watch. And then
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: like some other kid comes along. He's like, oh, no, look,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: old man, get out of the way. You don't know
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: what you're doing with this alien franchise.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's not wrong. You've got to give it to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the fans at a certain point, you know, because the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: people that created it, well, I mean, we can go
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: into prequel conversation here, but sometimes the creators have moved
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: on philosophically and they now feel like they're big shots
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and they have to, you know, vent out. their life
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: views into.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I think they have to claim it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Like, this was mine.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I don't like whether Doofus is making my movie. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: started this franchise, and I'm coming back to run it
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: into the ground.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The ground. Run it into... Because he's not.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: A terrible director, like I've liked.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on. Come on. He's great.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: What was the last duel? Was that him? I can't remember.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Whatever the one is with, you know, Kylo Ren is
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a knight.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: That was... good like that was really entertaining and surprisingly
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: well put together and he's solid he's still decent yeah
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: i haven't watched the other stuff that he's done he
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: did like two that same year but no that's the
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: one i saw and i.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Was like this is actually good no i think he's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like i've got to like make the movies that tony
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: scott would have made because i mean it's like he
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: cranks them out he's like a thousand years old and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: he cranks them out man And.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: They still have a signature touch, good or bad. It's
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: not like they're just phoned in bullshit. Whether you like
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it or not, it is definitely an auteur kind of
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: a movie, even when it's a weird story that's totally
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: different from his other stuff. He still has a weird
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: touch that makes it a little different that for somebody
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: just cranking him out shouldn't be that noticeable, but.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: It still kind of is. Yeah, no, it's a level of...
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Even if I start one and I don't finish it,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you gotta respect the craftsmanship that goes into his movies.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: He's still a filmmaker, yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: As old as he is, he's doing what he's.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Doing to some extent.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: He hasn't made his Ghost of Mars yet.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, we can dream. I don't know. Prometheus is pretty
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Ghost of Mars.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, okay. I would say Covenant. Of the Alien franchise,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the first two, of course. Part three, I like in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a curiosity way. Part four, no. I just re-watched.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Those two, actually, because it had been so long since
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I've seen them. And they're both, again, they're really interesting.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: They always got amazing directors.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Always, always.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I have issues with plot and story, but as films,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: they're both pretty solid visually.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not a Resurrection fan. I like Winona in it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And I like Sigourney. I like Sigourney's performance in it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: in part four a lot.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Well, because it's completely different. Like, she's finally had a
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: chance to do whatever the hell she wants because she's
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: not technically Ripley. She's a Ripley. But, like, she's not
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: really the Ripley we know. So she has license to
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: do whatever. And it's kind of like, oh, well, yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: this crazy lady, this weird clone project has gone horribly wrong.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Look at her.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: What an amazing... What a great... I mean, I don't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like the movie, but it's like the line... be careful
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: when you're fighting something that you don't become what you're fighting.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And that is like the perfect like visualization of that,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you know, and just her not even knowing what the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: hell she is anymore, you know, is like a great,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it's a great thing. In fact, as soon as we
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: get off this podcast, I'm going to go watch it again.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I, I just described this on the last tour episode, but,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: but just because I hadn't discussed it with you, And
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: watching the fourth one again, I realized, I'm like, okay,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: this is essentially just the Poseidon adventure, but with aliens
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: running around. Right, yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Because midway into the.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Movie, I'm like, we've got to get from here to
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: over there. We're going to die here. And along the way,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: we've got to traverse all these crazy things. And eventually
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: we're going to have to swim underwater a long time.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And Shelly Winters is going to save us.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, you're right.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: It's exactly like the format was like essentially Poseidon Adventure.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: And then at some point, a Giger alien is going
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to come along and jab at some tiny mouth into
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: your brain. Like that's the major difference. But otherwise, it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: not that different plot wise. Dan Hideo will come up
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: and creep you out with his shoulder hair.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: His shoulder hair and then like, hey, reach into his
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: head and look at his brain and then go like, oh,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm dead.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: This is a strange performance. Going back and rewatching. it,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: it's like he's in a different movie.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's like it's got this French touch
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: It is very French at times.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets very French.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I like the crazy wheelchair guy because he's awesome in
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: his other movie.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's other stuff. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that guy is super interesting and always making
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: a weird face, which again is very French, I suppose.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Weird faces. So, we're talking about, we're here to talk
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: about Alien Romulus. Which only one of us has seen. Alright, no.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Alright. Are we ready to start this episode's movie?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. Okay, let's do it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Get more out of life. Go out to.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: A movie.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: What's the first thing you liked about me?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I thought that you were quite brilliantly broken.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You feel like my person.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: You feel like my person.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: What's the worst thing you've ever done?
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I saw things.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have seen any of it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Eric!
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Julie! Julie!
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Please don't do this!
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: When someone dies....
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: A crow carries a soul to the land of the dead.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: But sometimes something so bad happens... that the soul cannot rest.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Until you put the wrong things right. You were given
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the power of a god.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: But you're running out of time to save her. I'm
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: gonna kill every single one of them. I killed you.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: We have a problem.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: It came for us.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: First impulse.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Anger. It's not anger.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: It's love.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Look at what you've become. You know that love promises
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: only pain.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: You have no idea what hell awaits you.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: No, I do.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: How many people have you loved?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: This out on the town feature is The Crow. Not
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: that one, the other one. The year is 2024. The
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: director is Rupert Sanders. And the plot, according to IMDb,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: soulmates Eric and Shelly are brutally murdered. Given a chance
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to save the love of his life, Eric must sacrifice
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: himself and traverse the worlds of the living and the dead,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: seeking revenge. That's, you know, a pretty generic version of
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: any Crow story. So, spoiler alert, we're going to ruin
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the hell out of this movie, and maybe every other
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Crow thing ever created, so just fair warning. Spoilers abound.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the Crow TV show.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: The one thing I have the least amount of knowledge,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: because I feel like I saw an episode or two, maybe,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: sort of, I don't know. I mean, Damascus, people like
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that guy, so it's cool.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no. All I know about the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Crow TV show, I've watched like one or two episodes
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and it was like a TJ Hooker, but with the crow,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Every episode he's hanging on the front of a car.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It happens. It happens. And it was just like, I'd
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: like you to meet your new partner. And it was
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like the crow. You're going like, oh, Jesus. I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: he's teaming up with the LAPD or something. I don't know.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: The Toronto Police Department. The Crow in Canada. Oh, no,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it's New York.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I swear it's New York.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So I got the name of this episode should be Crowback.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's a crowback.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Ah, never mind. No, you can do it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: You come up. You come up with the title.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: When it comes out, it's your fault. Everyone is well
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: aware now. I mean, I came up with enough cheesy
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: titles for these episodes.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: How can I bastardize.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: One thing with the thing we're talking about and call
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: it a thing that's really cheesy? That's every episode. This
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: one's your fault. No, no, no, no.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You do something else. Once I said it out loud,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's terrible.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Which is why it's very fitting. For what we're about
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Listen. Crow.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Okay. Crow.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Re-Crow. The Crowback. All right. So let's get into it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I think we talked about.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Do you want to get into the original? Let's do
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the original.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That is the thing.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I will say up front. I did re-watch the original.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yesterday. Because I wanted to. I know you were talking
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: about it. I was like, technically, it's been a long time. Okay.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Here's what made me. This is funny.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: This is what made me really want to do it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I saw a pop-up on the goings-on of the internet that,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: because of the new one, people were writing into Honest Trailers.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: They were like, oh, you gotta do the original Crow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And so they did it, and I saw it pop up,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and I was like, well, okay, I've seen that one.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I try not to do it with stuff I haven't seen,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't make any sense. So I'm like, I've
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: seen that one. I can watch this. So I turned
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: it on, and I'm like, basically, they're... They're trying hard
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to even get to jokes, really, because it's such hallowed ground.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: It is. Most of it is just making fun of Detroit.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Look, what is this, a future hellscape? Nah, it's just
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Detroit on a Thursday. It's the most ridiculous world that
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: they live in, and they're just like, nah, it's Detroit.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: but uh so that was their main joke and then
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: like a few things about it but like they didn't
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: really have much like usually they're brutal and they just
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: lay into this dumb stuff and like they didn't have
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: much but my takeaway i'm just looking at it going
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: oh man look at that scene oh look at the
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: visuals there oh look at that shot of the city
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: i was just like the whole time i'm like man
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: i just want to watch the crow now i was
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: like your dumb jokes are getting in the way just
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: play the crow So it made me, so yeah, if
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: you haven't seen that, you can go watch it. They
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: don't really have that much material, and it's way better
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to just go watch The Crow.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, let me tell you. My experience with
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the original Crow, alright, and I did re-watch it like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Sunday morning, okay, Friday night, started the weekend, I started
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the Friday night re-watching The Crow, and then Sunday morning,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I watched The Crow remake. So I had a little
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: 24-hour ours to percolate and rethink the original and then
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: go see the remake. All right.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: See, I did it the other way. I watched the
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: new one and then went back and was like, okay,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: now let's, of the potential questions and issues I might
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: have with the new one, like let's compare it to
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the old one, which I haven't seen him forever. So
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: for me to kind of balance them out, I went
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: back and rewatched the original.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Perfect. Perfect. Now the original. Okay. Is hologram.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: What, but it is a time and a place for me. because, uh,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: it is the, I saw it senior year of high school.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I was working at a movie theater. I had just
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: seen like 12 really terrible movies in a row. Okay.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, I went to see the crow and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, this has everything I like in one movie.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: All right. And, uh, I w it was just such a, uh,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: It's such a Gothic landmark and like industrial music. And, uh,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you know, amazing.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: That's what I, as I got into this, I was like,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I know all of these songs. Cause I listened to
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: that soundtrack on a loop. Like I had it and
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: drove around that. That's where most of my music memories
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: are is me just driving around back in the early days.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: And I had it in there and just looped it
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: and played them so many times. And all of these
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: songs are amazing. Yeah, absolutely.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I had that cassette tape and that plus the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Cool World soundtrack. I mean, we're just like.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I just, as I was watching, I was like, I'm
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: listening to them in the club doing that music. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I said that I was like this and the cool
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: world soundtrack is like kind of all you need for
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: this era of music. Like just cram those two together
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: and do a multi mix out of it. And like,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you're all good.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You got it, man. It's kind of like when your
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: brain is still soft and accepting of when you get
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: into something, you get way into it. I remember after
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: not really feeling anything for movies for a while, there
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: is energy to that movie, especially the buildup to his
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: big confrontation to the bad guys with the thrill kill
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: cult music going on. All right. You know, um, where
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he's playing his, uh, guitar on the thing. And then
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: he smashes the guitar.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: That's maybe the most moody teenager aspect. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: And then like the sky is almost like a, like
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: a play, like it is very theatrical and, and yes, stylized.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And like, and again, I'm not complaining. Like that's kind
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: of the epicness of that scene is like, yeah we've
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: all been this moody kid like.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: We get it yes you're a.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Broody about some shit it might be that you and
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: your girlfriend got murdered but i also got some shit
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: going on man all kind of right we feel for
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: him in that moment we're like yeah yeah the world
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: sucks right yeah i get it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah absolutely when you're a moody teen watching
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the crow it's like a big cathartic thing you know
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it is and uh and uh and that you know
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: he smashes the guitar and then we start that uh
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: bird's eye point of view, crow's eye point of view
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: of flying through the city, and you've got the thrill
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: cult going on, and then you've got just the most
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: ridiculous conference table of drugs and guns.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: And the weirdest group of people that would never be
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: sitting at a table together.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm going like, how are they making money off
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: burning down the city? I don't see where the money
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: is on that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of had that thought as I was rewatching.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, where is the... I mean, I
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: guess you steal, you're looting and then selling stuff?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I don't really know. People are freaked out.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And they need more drugs to deal with Hell Knight?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: What are you doing exactly?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Are you taking away people's livelihoods so then they have
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: to turn to drugs? I mean, I don't know. I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: don't really get it. It's just an act of amazing... uh, nihilism,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: you know? And so, you know, I mean, it was
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: a great, when you're a nihilistic teen, it just sort
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of makes sense, you know? And, um, but that scene
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: leading up to that is what I remember in 1994,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: just like almost vomiting, you know, that the shit was
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: so cool, you know? And, uh, and, and so, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: So big experience, you know? Uh, the, uh, the, my
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: high school girlfriend walked out of that movie going like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that was terrible. And it should have been, you were like.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: We're done.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: We should have just, it was an omen. It was
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: an omen. It was an omen that, uh, that should
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: have ended there. But, uh, wouldn't that have been the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: funniest reason to break up with somebody because they didn't
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: like the crow?
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: No, a very good reason!
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is over.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: This is over.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: We're done now. You can leave alone.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go paint my face.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Fuck off. That's right, that's right. And, you know, so,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the big thing is, like, you've got, you know, it
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: just depends on if is it a good movie, uh,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Is it, does it, but does it have David Patrick
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Kelly in it? So maybe that adds two stars.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: To it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: To the movie? I mean, it's just maybe so well cast,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you know? I mean.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking this time. I was like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I think that's a big difference in that 1994 version.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Is like, this could have been just another random, almost
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: straight to DVD movie of like, oh, it's a revenge movie.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: And like... even based on what is, you know, a
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: sort of beloved comic, but even then there's tons of
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: stuff they've tried to take from comics and make movies
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't work. I think that's what raised this
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: because I mean, our, our director hadn't really done anything
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of note at that point. So, I mean, visually it
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: is cool, but what brings it up several levels? And yes,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give a huge amount of credit to Brandon,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: but that aside, uh, Like, if you put Michael Wincott
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: in your movie, especially as a villain in the 90s,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, how? How are you going to go wrong? Like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: that dude can say anything, and it sounds amazing. Yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: He elevated that last Jordan Peele movie, where you're just
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: going like, thank God Michael Wincott's in this.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I like that movie anyway, but he adds so much
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: to it. Like, he is so fun that you don't
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: expect from Michael Wincott.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: He had such an extra layer to it, but... Absolutely.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: And again, re-watching it, I forgot how, like, important Ernie
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Hudson is. Like, I knew he was in it, but
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I forgot he's got a good amount of
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: screen time. Like, he really is, like, a big character
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: in it. But, I mean, yeah, David Patrick Kelly, again,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: these handful of, like, classic moments in cinema and TV,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: because his Twin Peaks run is amazing.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, you've got him, the... Fucking Gideon, that
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: John Polito or whatever. Oh, dude. From Miller's Crossing. I'm
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, you're again, another one of those. You're
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: a character actor that like can do no wrong if
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you're cast in this role. This is your guy. You
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: got to be this guy. But when you do it,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: you're amazing at it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Dude, it is really like a perfectly cast movie and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: everybody is in the same movie.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Like, even if you're, like, casting minor characters, Tony Todd
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: barely has any screen time, but I'm just like, whoa, wait,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I forgot, that's Tony Todd! Like, it's, like, the whole
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: cast is amazing!
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they're all, and they're all, okay, so it's
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: very cartoony, you know, now that I watched it last Friday,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you know, it's very... But it's kind of nice to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: see a low that I didn't realize how low budget
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, until I watched it recently.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's theatrical, which almost works in its favor.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't have to look real because it seems
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: like it's a fantasy in a fantasy world. So like,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: it's okay that everything looks like it's, you know, not
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: our reality because it's.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of not. Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It's kind of nice to see. a low budget comic
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: book movie like they used to do back in the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: 90s before they had all the resources of Disney and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: everything and just going like, wow, this is kind of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: like a 90s action movie, you know, but it's got
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: like this level of artificiality to it. And I was
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: really watching it going like, I didn't realize, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: how kind of, hobbled together it is because of brandon's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: death where you know there's just so much yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah there's so much that's told through like wordless flashback
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: yeah like is the entire structure of it definitely the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: beginning but even they come back to that in the
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: end of like how they put together like the whole
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: journey he's going on and like the weight of what
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: happened to him is all through flashback And it's all
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: just sort of editing. Like there's not much you could
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: have written. It's all pieced together in the editing room
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: after the fact, which may or may not have been
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: due to Brandon.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, but I don't know.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: It's very oddly structured looking at it now, but again,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: probably for very real world reasons.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, I didn't get like, That whole thing after
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: he crawls out of the grave, you know, and then
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: like him walking through the city and then going up
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: to his own apartment. I mean, that's all body double.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, it's like, wow, I never
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: really quite got it. They had to shoot that whole.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So it's really cool that, you know, the first time
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I watched or first 20 times I watched that movie,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I never really quite, you know, noticed, you know, or
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: didn't care. There were scenes.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: They did even try to do face replacement for quick shots.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But again, 94, it's probably not going to look great.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: So they probably didn't have a ton of that. But yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: it's like I don't remember noticing so much. Maybe now
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: if I really go looking for it, I can find them.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: But I don't feel like that's a distraction if you
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: don't know that that happened and you just watch this.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think you would notice.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: What also got me rewatching it was just how crazy
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: violent it is.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Well, as an adult.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Right, right. As an adult, because I was going like, hey,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I'm probably going, I was telling my kids, you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I've got a 12 year old and a 16 year old.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: The 16 year old, you know, they're real picky about movies,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you know. But I was going like, hey, you know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: maybe we should watch The Crow. And then if you
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like it, we'll go see the remake, you know. And, uh,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: they were like, and I was rewatching the.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Surprise me actually. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably every kid at
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: this point. Yeah. They were like, it was only for
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: old angry people to go and complain.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And so they didn't watch it. I was kind of watching.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I was going like, I'm kind of glad I'm not
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: watching this with them because it's pretty, it's pretty brutally violent.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, Pilato's death. I was going like, Oh, that's
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: really terrible. And then like a, uh, you know, just
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the shoot-em-ups, you know, it's very John Woo-ish, you know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: kind of mixed martial arts good. going on and everything.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And I was just going like, this is real violent.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And so I'm kind of glad I'm not having to.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: See, I don't remember noticing that originally. And like, I
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: didn't overly... I mean, this time, I just, again, maybe
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: because I already knew all the kills, but I was
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, yeah. Like I love Tintin as a
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: pin cushion. Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: So there's other things about it, I guess I was noticing,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: but I, I wasn't sidetracked by the violence. I'm just
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: so numb to violence at this point.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Sure. Absolutely.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: So, so let's, let's get, I guess we can, I
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: can say that I still love the crow. I do
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: see some of the, the tears and the seams, you know,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and I think I, I, I think, uh, I think
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Brandon Lee is fine. I think he does emote, but
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I think it is very, uh, acting school emoting. I'm, I'm,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I'm scrapping on a, uh, an icon. I know, but, uh,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I'll stand by him.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: But again, I think he's doing a performance because again,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: it's not a real world thing. So like, and he's
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: dead by the time we meet him essentially. So he's
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: just real. The character more or less is realizing that, Yeah,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: no rules really apply to me. So I can just
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: walk around and be a weirdo because I'm dead. I
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: am a weirdo now. So he's just performing in every
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: one of these little interactions he has with all the guys.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: And like so that. Yeah, I think that's part of
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: it for me watching. I was like, he just knows
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have to. Again, our complaints of the day
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: to day run of the mill living your life bullshit.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have that anymore. So if you want to
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: just sit around and laugh at things for no good reason,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: because they did bring it up in the Honest Trailer,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: that he just laughs all the time. Yeah. Nobody else
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: is in on the joke. He's just laughing to himself
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: like a crazy person. Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: He jumps off a building and he's like, hey.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: And laughs, because it's hilarious. Yeah. I mean, again, the
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: rules don't apply to you, so I guess you can
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: do whatever you want, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: And it is kind of refreshing to have a guy
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: who's like life ruined and he's like sad about it
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and moody about it and not like, you know, like
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the other action movies of the time were like, you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Steven Seagal movies and Jean-Claude Van Damme movies. Yeah, they're
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: just tough guys. Tough guys, and that's it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: You kind of act like a tough guy all the time.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: All the time. He's just freaking depressed. Depressed. He wants
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: his life back.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And so if you're like a manic depressed teen, you
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: probably relate to that.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that. What are you talking about? Right, right. Okay,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: along that note, just to give my balanced and out
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: myself as the dork I am, And I had to
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: double check the date because I was like, okay, I
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: know what happened with me after the movie, but when
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: did I see it? So it came out in May
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: of 1994. Okay. And I was, again, movie geek, going
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: to see, again, back then, going to see all the
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: new stuff as it was coming out. Absolutely. And I
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: loved this movie. Yeah. And got it in a way
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: that most other dorks didn't seem to. But again, I
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: was working at a video store, so there was this handful.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: There was this little group of dorks that would come in,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: and they'd be like, do you have The Crow yet?
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: They were looking for it on freaking VHS so they
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: could buy it for $ 99.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: 99.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: A few of them, literally, it's one of the few
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: times we ever did a pre-order that was at full
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: rental price. Normally, we'd wait until stuff dropped down, like $ 20,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: you can order it. The Crow had such a weird
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: fan base that they put it on the official listings
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of like, You want to buy it the second it
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: hits the street?
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: $ 99.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: 99. Get yourself a copy. And a handful of super
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: hardcore dorks did it. I knew it was having that
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: little fan base. But I was enough of a dork.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: And I don't do this anymore because I just don't care.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I don't have the energy anymore. But at the time
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Halloween was coming up, I was one of those people
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: that dressed like the crow. Dude!
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: That's pretty epic. Here's the thing.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I did it that year. That year, it hadn't found
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: its audience yet. That year, nobody knew what the hell
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: I was. Right. So if you fast forward even a
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: couple of years, and everybody's seen it on VHS, and
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: everybody's watched it on cable, and every moody nerd in
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the world dresses up like the crow, and you see
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: 40 of them show up on your porch today.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Sure, sure. I did it in 1994.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: And went to, first off, went to work.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Which is a terrible idea. Don't ever dress up and
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: go to your job.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: It's a horrible idea. You get excited.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I was a dumb kid. I don't know. So I
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: did that. And then I also kept it on. Makeup, outfit.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: The rest of the day. And went around with the
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: kids trick or treating later. And I was just like
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: the whole day. I was the freaking crow. Nobody knew.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: There was one dork at work. That obviously was one
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: of those people. That was like cool. And other than that.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Everybody's like, were you like Kiss or something? Nobody had
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: a clue. They're like, nobody knew what the hell I was. So,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: that was my... Again, that's my interaction with it. I
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: was on the wave before it was a wave. By
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: the time the other dorks were dressing up, I'm like, no,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I've already been there, man. I've done my time in
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: the makeup. I've electrical taped myself up as much as
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I need to. I'm good now. I need to move on.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I'm still going to love the crow, but I don't
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: need to dress up anymore. And I think that was
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: like the last time I did a full on like
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: dress up for Halloween for no good reason. Like now
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, nope, too much effort. Can't do it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: It's out of my system now. I'm good.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'm good.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I'm good.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So there was mine. Yes. I love the
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: crow enough that I was one of those dorks and
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: nobody knew what the hell I was because the crow,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: and that's, that's part of what I don't understand is
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the crow didn't make a ton of money. Mm hmm.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: It did alright, I guess. But it's not like it
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: was the big blockbuster of the year. So that's moving forward.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: That's what I don't understand. Why? Why are they killing
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: themselves to make another Crow? Repeatedly, since 1994, all they
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: wanted to do was like, oh man, we gotta do
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: that again. I'm like, why? So you can lose money
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: for your studio? What the hell is your reasoning for it?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Crow must have been just so
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: low budget, and it made its money. It maybe doubled
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: its money back.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Who knows? You know, its $ 10 million budget got doubled
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to $ 20 million. So they're like, it's a hit for
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Dimension Pictures. Which isn't saying much. The Weinstein's probably just said, like, man,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: we can squeeze this to death. And so they had
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: one more theatrical, and I think a semi-theatrical, and then
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: they were you know, it was just, I don't know.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: It was cause I guess maybe Brian, the rabid fan
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: base that would spend $ 99 on a pre-sale. There was
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: enough of them country, you know, worldwide.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like, even though the fan base is
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: very vocal about how much they don't like other versions
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: and they don't want anybody else playing this character, they
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: keep cranking them. We're trying to like, I started looking
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: at this. I was like, the fact that we finally,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: this many years later, actually got one. Because, I mean,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: immediately they fired out City of Angels. But then I
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: started looking at all the ones between. Because I remember
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I've heard so many rumored ones that I was like,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: we should at least kind of address that.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: And some of it I didn't even know kicked in
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: as early as it did. So they said, after City
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: of Angels was released... Now, certainly, we've actually talked about
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: this version on the show before, years ago. But I
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: didn't know it was this early. After City of Angels
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: was released, Rob Zombie was approached about making the follow-up.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: And Zombie's version was going to be called The Crow 2037.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: And it followed a young man who grew up in
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: a dystopian future, unaware that he was a resurrected crow.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: And he... I don't know. I'm just like, what?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: What is.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, halfway into reading this, I'm just like, what
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: the hell is that going to be? And with Rob
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Zombie at the helm of that, so that's a nightmare. Yeah.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that far back, they were still bringing in
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: the next big name in movies, Rob Zombie, to do
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: the next one. And then after that, it's almost ridiculous
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: the more it goes through here. By the time you
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: hit around 2000, there's a remake called the crow Lazarus,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: which would have starred DMX as the resurrected crow. That
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: would have been great.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: That would have been actually, that would have been okay. Actually,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I would have liked to have seen it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: As we roll into the 2000s, we've got Stephen Norrington
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: making a crow.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: That would have been good.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: The director of Blade, which again, right up that alley there,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: visually it would make sense. Yeah. According to this, who
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: knows what the internet has that's true. Nick Cave was
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: supposed to be writing the script.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, come on.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is the knife in the heart. By 2010,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: it was announced that Mark Wahlberg would be playing Eric Drake.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: In my research for this show, I was like, no.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: This is a good point. It was just like, how long?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: A crow reboot. has been in Underworks and different permutations.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: It's in so many different versions. It's like by 2011,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: there's Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, who did like 28 Weeks Later.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: He's the director. Oh, yeah. He's in talks with Bradley
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Cooper is the lead. Oh my God.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: And that's like, when I'm hearing this stuff, I'm going like, stop.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We, I mean, I don't know that we got
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: what we wanted anyway, but we dodged so many bullets
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: along the way. We might as well be an undead
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: crow character because they were also talking to James McAvoy.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: They were talking to Ryan Gosling. They were talking to, Oh,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: this one kills me. Channing Tatum. Like, yeah, he can
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: look good with a shirt off maybe, but he ain't
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: the crow. Like, what are you doing?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Like, it's called the bro.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: I give up so then let's see it goes to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: core and hardy who went on to direct the nun
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: his was going to star tom hiddleston which might not
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: be bad but interestingly this was a year before the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: avengers so he would have just been kind of he
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't the girl bait that he became by the time
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: that Avengers movie came out. Like, he was still randomly unknown.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: So that's interesting.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, he kind of looks like a bird, you know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and everything.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the worst casting. No, no. So then, yeah, like,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: they're throwing out Nicholas Holt. Holt?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know him.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's from all the X-Men movies.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha, okay.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Which, again, now he's in a ton of stuff. Right.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Then I think it goes to... F. Javier Guterres or
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: whatever his last name is. He ended up doing Rings
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and The Wait. But now this one got James O'Barr
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: all excited because he was supposed to be doing a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: black and white shot for shot remake of the original
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: graphic novel using the panel layout and dialogue directly from
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: the novel. Nice.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: So, like, that would have been... That would have been cool.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Kind of interesting, I guess, because I guess they veer
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: off enough from the original Brandon win that, like, this
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: would be a different, slightly different take on it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: And then he dropped out with production troubles and delays
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: in shooting, like all of these are. At that point,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I think Luke Evans was in talks, the Hobbit Battle
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: of the Five Armies guy. And so, like, he was
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: going to do it at one point. But he even said,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think I'm worthy of portraying Brandon Lee's iconic role. And,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: you know. So this is the one I think I,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: this is the recent one that I think I heard
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: the most of was the, uh, the crow reborn based
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: on Cliff Dorfman and his original story idea of an
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: undead police officer returning to avenge his family, which got
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: the attention of Jason Momoa. And that's the one they
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: were making like fake trailers that I saw online. So
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: that was supposed to be coming out. And then, uh,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: It all went to hell once again. So that was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: not that long ago. Like I remember seeing the fake
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: trailers for Jason Momoa as the crow. I think he
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: even did like test makeups and like they, the photos
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: got out on the internet. So I think there are
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: like some legit ones. And then I saw dorks making
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: fake photo or trailers and stuff. So that was pretty,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: you know, in the last five or six years, I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: feel like. So it's going on. Since the first movie,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: it has been going on nonstop. And that's the part
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: I don't get. It's like, what the hell? I love
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: that movie, but why? When you've cranked out so many
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: unsuccessful versions of it, including a TV series, why do
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: you want to go back to that well of heartbreak
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: and bankruptcy?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not like the fans are just going out
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: and seeing whatever's got a crow on it, you know? Yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: You know, the Jason Momoa. Now, if there was one
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: that should have been called the bro, that's the one.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: That's the bro. That's the bro one. That's the bro edition.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: The bro crow. But I think that would have been unwatchable.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: What the hell are you saying?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Because nobody wants to see depressed Jason Momoa.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Jason doing moody and sad.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's already, he, he's so hard to take
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: when he's being a tough guy. Like the only, my
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: favorite thing of him is that like switch to the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: cable company commercially does with the scrubs guys. That's like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: the funniest thing ever is him dancing around with those
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: two dorks. And I'm like, can we just watch him
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: do this kind of stuff? Cause him being a bro
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: on screen does not do anything for me. I'm sorry.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: It's, um, So if we're getting to the movie, now
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: here we are, here we are. That's our journey that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: led us to this movie. Now, would you like my,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: as I walked out of the theater review of it?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I'm pleased.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Fine.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Please do.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: It's fine. That's fine. Like that. That was my, I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't upset. I wasn't shaking my fist to the gods.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I was just like, that's fine. Yeah. And before I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: got to the car, I thought to myself and went,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: you know that I can easily say that is the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: second best Crow movie. Now, that's not saying.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Much, but it's totally.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: The second best Crow movie.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: You know what? You know what? Okay, my walking out
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: of the movie theater, all right, was, uh, All right. Well,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: walking into the movie theater after I saw, I don't
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: read the reviews, but I just saw like the critical score,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: you know, and it was so low.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I heard not good things via the internet.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be like one of those,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: let's just release it, you know, before streaming. Cause we
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: put all this, we put, I don't know, maybe somebody
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: will come see it. So we can get Oscar nominations, obviously.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Gotta get a theatrical run.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: So, you know.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I thought it was just going to be a train wreck.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be like.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: See, that's what I expected. Well, I mean, the way
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: people talked about it, I was like, how can it
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: be that bad? It's the pro setup. Like, all you
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: have to do is follow the checklist. Every dumb straight-to-video
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: movie's done it since then. Like, just do this, and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: then do this, and at the end he does this. And, like,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: it can't be that hard. And then they didn't... You know,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: that's all they did. They were fine.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought there must be, like, some base... uh,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: miscalculation and the conception of this movie that just makes
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: it so terrible that it, it's, uh, it's, it might
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: just be like an interesting train wreck, but I was
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: going like, yeah, the, the sequels are all terrible. Um,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I kind of have a spot in my heart for
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: city of angels now, you know, because it's like, so
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: of the time, you know, I have not.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Revisited that one. I hated the second one so much
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: in the theater.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Me too. Me too. Me too.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I've watched the other ones. Well, haven't revisited four i
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: did watch three in the last year because i forgot
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: almost 99 of it and it's fine-ish it's again maybe
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: the third third best crow movie not saying much but
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: exactly it's a big little kirsten dunst in it that's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: all you need.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I walked out of the crow reboot and this is
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: going to kick kick me out of all the cool
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: kid clubs but i walked out it's okay i was
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: never invited anyway um I walked out going like, I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: actually had a really good time with this. I would say,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: but I had just recently watched the first one. But
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I was going like, I was really happy to see
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: that they didn't just read. I didn't feel like they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: just tried to read. I was glad it wasn't a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: nostalgia grab. You know, I was glad that they did.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: It's only a nostalgic glad for people enjoy what there's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: the thing I like, but nobody liked it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: So there wasn't, there wasn't like a, there wasn't like a,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: a new metal. They weren't, it was just like a different,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, new metal, like that's still a relevant thing.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's out there.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: It's just a totally different version of it these days,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: but yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: It's definitely out there now.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I was sitting there going like, This is like, I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: was going like, the first one is like this cool
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: indie movie that's held together with just sheer force of
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: will and a singular vision from a director with something
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to prove and Brandon Lee trying to get out from
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: under the shadow of his dad and a certain level
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: of just, you know, the right time, the right place,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the right people involved where Yeah, it's cartoony as hell.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: The scenes with Ernie Hudson and the homicide detective are
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: just laughably.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: It's any standard cop movie.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: We're busting you back down to a beat cop.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: It's what every action movie of the time had, really.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It still kind of does.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: It's not like it's changed much.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, wow. It's like an
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: indie freaking movie. like with like a certain level of,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: you know, layer of theatricality, as you say, you know,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and this, I felt like, and this is usually what
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I hate is. And in my old, old man days,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: like when, you know, in my chip on my shoulder
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: days with like, when they remade like last house on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the left and it looked like a timex commercial i'm
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: just like and i'm just like uh i'm going like
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: or like you know the dawn of the dead remake
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: where it's like this you know they took this scrappy
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: little indie film and they throw unlimited resources into it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you know uh but but this felt like they had
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: all the money in the world to make a crow remake.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: And they had every resource and every permit and every
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: this and every that, and had some high class or,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you know, highfalutin director, you know, and, um, you know, uh,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I just thought, and they got, you know, John Houston's kid,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the bad guy. And, uh, there's a certain
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: level of, sheen to it that I was like going
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: like this is its own thing it's not the crow
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: 94 it really is like this weird alternate universe it's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: kind of like a special edition one-off comic version uh
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: you know it's like if you just saw it as
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: like a you know like a mini series like the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: crow the original crow is like the crow and this
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: is kind of like this you know limited edition 3
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: you know, one-off, you know, version of the crow where
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: they got a new artist in and, you know, they
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: printed it on expensive paper and, you know, it's got
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: a foil cover.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's kind of what it is. And that's
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: what we, I think on the show and definitely off,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: like for six or eight months now, I've been having
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: this discussion with Misty, which if you're listening to this show,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming you know who she is. And Jay's like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: the biggest crow fan in the world, but like he's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: torn off all the other ones. And like, she's loved
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: it too, but like, isn't just annoyed by all of it.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: So this was the first thing we said when I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: got the first, those first shots of, of him came
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: out in the makeup and the tattoos and like in
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: front of the mirror there, those shots leaked out and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: leaked again, released. And like people just started losing their mind. Yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, from the get go, we both said
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: the exact same thing. We were like, here's your problem.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: You guys have shot yourself in the foot. Because you
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: know what you did? You made them have the same names. Sure.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Because I saw the trailer after that and I went,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: this looks like an entirely different story. So why is
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: it Eric Draven? Why is Shelly there? If you're telling
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: an entirely different story, go ahead and tell the entirely
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: different story. And go with it. Which is because it
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: actually is. Like, if you go and look, the look
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: that he has with the shaved down hair and the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: tattoos everywhere is from an entirely separate Crow comic. Right.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: And that's what the character looks like exactly. If you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: go look it up, he's got those tattoos. He's got
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: that terrible haircut. Like, that is exactly what it looks like.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: but it has an entirely different title. So it's just like,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: if they would have gone with that and not somehow
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: some corporate executive was like, well, we can't sell it
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: unless it's just the crow. Everything now has got to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: be a reboot. So we've got to make it just the,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: if they would have done the crow colon redemption and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, it would have been fine. And
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: like called him Bobby and she was Sally and like,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: I think it would have been, it would have gone
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: over as well as any other sequel for fuck's sakes,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: but which isn't great, but nobody lost their mind when
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: those other three sequels came out. But because this one,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: they called it the crow. And they made the characters
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: Eric and Shelly. I'm like, okay, you've killed it now.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Because every fan of The Crow, both the comic and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: the movie, are going to show up waiting to hate
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: this thing. Absolutely. And I feel like that's the only
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: people that came to the theater will hate watch. You know,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: it's like nobody, no kids, your kids are a good example.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: No kids were out there going, oh man, can't wait
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: to see that. They were just like, what the hell
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: is this? And they skipped it. Like everyone else in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: the world, except Crow fans, who showed up ready to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: be pissed at this movie that's not brandon he's not
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: eric draven like i'm like no he's not if you
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: go look at that comic that's not who he's supposed
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: to be he's an entirely different character and they're telling
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: an entirely different story so it's not really a reboot
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: but they shot themselves in the foot by calling it
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: the crow and making them the same characters names they're
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: not even the same characters they're not they gave them
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: the same character names which is a stupid move Sure.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Stupid move. They did it for probably financial reasons and everything.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Who knows? But yeah, totally different. Totally different characters, which
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I appreciated.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: That's why it's.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Good for what it is, you know?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: For what it is. And I go like, yeah, I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: don't want to go out on a limb and just
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: say that this was a... I'm not going to say
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: it's a great movie, but I said I had a
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: lot of fun watching this Crow movie and the fact
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: that they... did something different and it didn't feel like
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: a city of angels, uh, slapped together. Let's just make
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: the same movie again, you know? Um, and, and so,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: so I would say there's some, there's some stuff to
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: get into about this movie. Uh, and we'll just start
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: with the, my gut reaction to was when I saw
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: the first stills with the, uh, bad haircut and I'm
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: just going like, man, Just everybody's on fentanyl nowadays. And
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: the proof is in the haircuts.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Looking it up here. It's the crow colon wild justice.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: It's not The Crow. It's an entirely different series that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: came out in comic form as The Crow Wild Justice
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: has an entirely different main character. Cool. And was its
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: own little story arc.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I felt like.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: He's done that over the years because that's kind of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: what City of Angels is. It's like, here's that story again,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: but with a different character. They all kind of fall
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: into the same... Oh, they're in love and they get
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: killed and blah, blah, whatever. But like, so it's the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: same setup, but they're all different stories. That's kind of
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: what James O'Barr has done for the entirety of his career.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: He's just like, this is my thing. This is what
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: I do. So again, they just, they screwed themselves over
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: by trying to cram it into the reboot mold. And
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: then not at all doing that. Like we're going to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: make an entirely different movie, but we're going to pitch
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: it as this thing that everyone hates and wonder why
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: we don't make money. Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: I think the movie is unfairly maligned by probably the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: fans and by the critics. I thought that this actually
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: felt like a movie, not like a mistake. I felt
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: like they actually had some interesting reboot. I felt like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: there was a reason for it to go. I would say...
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I made some notes, all right, when I first got
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: out because I knew we weren't going to talk about
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: it for a week afterwards, okay?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: And my brain doesn't retain information anymore.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: It does not retain information at all.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about mine.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mine too, mine too. All right, all right, all right.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to just say, all right, number one
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: thing I appreciated was about the Crow remake, and it's probably,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the maybe weaknesses, if you
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: were to call it that. I mean, it was fine
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: at the time, but of the Crow original, where it's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: all flashbacks and you kind of get a feeling that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: they were in love, I really liked them fleshing out
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: the relationship between... the crow and his girlfriend. We won't
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: call it Eric and Shelly.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Whoever that random guy is with this random girl.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Those two new people. I like that they met in rehab.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: I like that they had a pass before they met.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: You get a feeling that they're coming from you know,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: really messed up. You really get a sense of Shelly's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: messed up history. Oh, yeah. Eric Draven's, well, you know,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: New Crow.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: This version of Eric Draven.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: This version of Eric Draven. You get a sense that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: he had a really sick mom and, you know, his
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: horse cut. But then he's got a Brooklyn accent for
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: some reason. I don't know. I was like, I guess
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: that was... The farm in Brooklyn or something.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: You know, the farms of Brooklyn.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: The farms of Brooklyn, the prairie land of Brooklyn. Where
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: you keep your horses, obviously.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Right, right, yeah.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I was going like, I didn't get his accent if
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: it was like the Midwest or something that he's coming
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: out of. But it was fine. You get a fact
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: that he's kind of a loser, you know?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: He just looks like a trailer kid, you know? He
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: would grow up to get really bad tattoos all over him.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely. So there's a certain glamour. To Eric and.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Eric and Shelly.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: In the original. Of like this kind of like rock
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and roll couple. You know. Social activists. You know. There's
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like this. You know. Idealized thing. But in
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: this remake. They're kind of more like.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Outcasts. Or people who have messed up their lives. You know.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: And here they are. And they meet. And I like
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: that they meet in rehab. And I like that they
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of cling to each other because they're just
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: like they've got nothing and they know they're a mess.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And so I kind of like that aspect of them
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: fleshing out their relationship more, you know. So when something
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: does happen, you know, you go like, man, they really
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: had only each other, you know. uh so i like
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: that i.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Like that in theory i think okay re-watching the first
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: one i think that's i think that's what separates it
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: and why i think it should definitely be like and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: here's a different crow story because like The reason the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: original Crow works is, as I said earlier, and it
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: really solidified it rewatching it this last time. It's like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: it is a fable. It is a fairy tale. And
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: like we've literally like the big dreamy world be whether it's,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: you know, the it's just as like boiled down to
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: its essentials of like the, you know. the knight and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: the maiden and like, here's the, he's the, the fallen
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: knight and here's the evil dragon is our bad guy. Like,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: so it's, it's very much that so much so that like,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: by the time you get to it, like they have
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: to be idealized for this to work. So it's like,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: we don't, we, and this is why I think that
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: romantic version of that comes through that like every like
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: hot topic girl in the world swoons for this movie
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: is because, right. there's no real basis to the relationship.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: It is a romance novel version of like, all we've
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: got is dreamy shots of them doing cute couple things.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: And they are quote unquote, the perfect couple. Exactly. That's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: the difference is we don't have any background. All we
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: have is his flashbacks and that's it. Most of them
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: don't even have dialogue. It's just flashbacks of them being
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: in love.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Super heightened romanticized version, you know, it's like, Exactly. So
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Picking out a wedding dress, commuting on the couch, ordering pizza.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Wonderful fantasy memories.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like, it's the cutest thing you've ever seen. Exactly.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: But that's why that works as an idealized romantic thing.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: When you cut to the new one, the reason it
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: needs to be a new and entirely different thing is
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: they're like a real couple and we.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: See their backstory.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: And you see... that they're a freaking mess and that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: the relationship kind of doesn't make sense. And the further
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: you go into it, you realize, Oh, these are kind
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: of shitty people. I don't mean that in a bad way.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, they're massively flawed versus Eric. And the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: original one is perfect. You know, he's just like, he's
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: the most beautiful man you've ever seen. He plays guitar.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: He loves his girlfriend. He takes care of this weird,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: almost orphan girl. Like, he is just a perfect character
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: yeah and then you get to these two and they're
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: just screw-ups from day one like they are a mess
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: and they bet like by the in the context of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: the movie they realize yeah i don't even know if
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: this romance is working so much like dude we've already
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: died for each other but i'm not so sure about
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: the romance I'm like, wow, this is very, that's why
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a different movie because they are
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: not even in a relationship anymore in their undead life.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Like when your main character is doubting the relationship, I'm like,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: this is not our idealized romantic fable thing that we're
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: telling in the first grow. This is kind of too
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: grounded to work in that aspect. Like it's, it's a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: totally different thing. We're taking a look at, A, the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: relationship first before the crow bullshit kicks in. And then, like,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: you get to see them, like most relationships, go to hell. Like,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: it just falls apart. And I'm like, this is a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: weird version of this story to try to do. But
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: I do think it's really interesting that we spend that
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: much time with them. Right. That we see what they
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: are as a couple.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: It also like makes kind of no sense. Like at
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: least in the original crow, we had this, like they've
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: been together for years and they're engaged and they've got
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: all this. So like when you get to that true
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: love and like, I will do anything for this person
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: that I love, it kind of makes sense. In this one,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like, they spent a weekend together, dude. And I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: think that's what they start to realize. He's like, yeah,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know about this relationship anymore. I just met
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: this girl in rehab. I don't know about giving up
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: my whole soul. So I don't know. It's such a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: different take on that from just the way that it
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: approaches the coupledom of it. It's so different and so
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: idealized in that first one where we just don't. even
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: try that in this movie. It is more grounded than
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: it possibly needs to be.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Dude, that was one of the parts I liked the best.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I'm probably not the best guy to ask if true
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: love lasts forever right now.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I took some moments of that myself. I was like,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I get this.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I really liked the part Where he's like, am I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: ready to throw my soul away for this girl I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: met in rehab?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: That I just watched a video of her murdering someone.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ooh. I'm like, ooh. I don't know if I'm,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: you know, we've been together, what? You know, maybe a month.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: That's why this has to be a different story. Because
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: it's like, the whole Eric and Shelly thing is crazy.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: perfect romance, and I'm like, these two screw-ups, like, this
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: is not the same story, so please give them different names,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: and I'm fine to, like, explore this relationship and, like, see, okay,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: what if you take these two screwed-up kids and throw
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: them into the crow scenario, because it shouldn't go the same,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: because they're not the same thing.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's what I liked about it, because I was
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: able to put aside that they were supposed to be
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Eric and Shelly, alright, because they were totally not, alright,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: and so I was more like, this is a totally
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: different situation here. All right. You know, it's the same story,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: but told through the point of view. And I get
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: that he does what he does because he just wants
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: to do one noble damn thing in his life. Uh, and, and,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: and so it's just like, I've been a screw up
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: my entire life. And so can I forgive Shelly? Can
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I do something that, Outside of myself. And I know
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm already screwed. So maybe just on my way out.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: I can do something good. For this person. Who pulled
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: into a bad situation. Because I don't. I feel like
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I'm trash. I don't care if I go to hell.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: But maybe this person. Showed me some compassion. So I can.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Even if it's not like this perfect love. It's like
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: a noble idea. And one thing I liked about it
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: was that kind of up the stakes a little bit
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: in that he's not going to live happily ever after
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: with her in the afterlife. It's like, this is like,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: he's basically, you know, my soul for hers is, I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: thought that kind of redeemed that aspect. Because I was like, no,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: it's not the first crow. It's something else.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: You know, that's what I was hoping as I got
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: into it and I saw him make that deal. I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: was like, man, I really hope they don't like hollywood
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: out and give us a happy ending and like you
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: know he he sold his soul he's going to hell
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: for her don't wuss out and then have them be
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: happy together in the end i was like no no
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: no screw that i'm like that is the first crow
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: it is a fairy yeah they're supposed to be that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: way in that first movie this movie he just sold
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: his soul to the devil essentially to save her so
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: now you've got to kill this dude and have him
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: go to hell like that's the only way this story
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: works So I was so, not to jump to the end,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: so relieved when they were like, oh no, he's just
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: gone and he's gone to hell for her. That's the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: romantic gesture. You know, that's the, it's not the coming
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: back and killing people like the first one of like
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: trying to, you know.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Save us.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: It's the, I... Gave myself for you. Even though we
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: weren't really that great together. I didn't know you that well.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: We kind of slept as people. We didn't connect that much.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: We kind of enabled each other's bad behavior.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, it's not an ideal romance. But again,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think it's like his one
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: noble act was the only... good thing he'd done in
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: his life, arguably, or certainly in his recent years, it's like,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: and him doing that was his act of love. Even
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: if he didn't really love her, like this was the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: best thing he had to give for. Right. Right.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: It was like, it may not be the only thing
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: you had to give for. It was like, it was
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the closest thing to love he had had, you know,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: it was like, she says, have you ever loved anybody?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know. You know, it's like, there's like,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: it's like in this imperfect world, in my imperfect brain,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: and there's, uh, screwed up, uh, thing environment, you know,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe just my mental illness and my, my drug
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: abuse and, you know, never having any kind of center,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and then making it a person who, who
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: never could stand up for himself, you know, and, uh,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, just kind of this broken, broken person, you know,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know if this was love. I
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ready to make this decision yet,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: but it's, uh, But it's the closest I've gotten. And it's,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: it's something good I could do, you know, and I'm
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: not really known for doing great things.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is. the best thing to take out
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: of this that yeah decision because it kind of again
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: in the other crow world it doesn't make any sense
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: like the whole idea is to like redeem yourself and
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: get revenge for what happened to you bring the two
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: of them together forever and like so the fact that
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: yeah this guy is so messed up that he's just
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: like this is all i have to give this is
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: the best thing i can do as a person but
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: yeah i'm kind of a shitty person but if this
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: one act can hopefully redeem everything else i've done right
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: i don't get to go to heaven for it but
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: that is the deal like i've seen this one window
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: and like i can't do anything to save her i
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: go back to my regular life and it's gonna suck
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: and i'm gonna be unhappy So here's this one thing
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: I can do to just put it into it. And
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: hopefully somebody else will get something good out of me
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: having lived to some extent.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which I think is a, uh, valid reason to
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: remake the crow.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Or to do another version.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Of another version.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: It's not a remake.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: It's not a different.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Story to do a different story. And so, yeah, if
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: you were going into this, expecting a nostalgia grab, expecting
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: a gothic overload with industrial gothic music, then yeah, you're
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: not going to... I would see how you'd be disappointed.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: But if you have an open enough mind to say like, hey, look,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: they spent all this money and they actually had a
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: different take on which none of the official sequels gave
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: us the, I mean, I guess the one in the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: old West, you know, but what a, what a mess,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, what a mess. You know, I mean, I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, you know, I was going like, okay. So,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: and I thought the act, you know, that we're talking
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: about casting, I think that guy, you know, played a
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: real good, you know, performance of that. He's a good
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: actor in general.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: He's a good actor. But he is good at being
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: this messed up kid. And he doesn't read as anything
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: more than a kid. He's a broken kid that just
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: got older and did enough drugs to try to numb
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: himself from his crappy life and just continued to make
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: bad decisions. And he plays that really well. Absolutely.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: And him and Shelly's relationship. I read one thing that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: they didn't have any chemistry but i thought they did
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: as like two broken people who felt like they had
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: screwed up their lives too much to ever be in
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: love again you know.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Again where the story goes that kind of works because
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: again to me that's part of what happens here is
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: like you get midway in and you're like it isn't
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: this idealized love we didn't spend years together We spent
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: a weekend together. I barely know you. So the fact
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: that I'm making this decision to sell my soul to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: save you is almost ridiculous. But this is the world
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: I live in. This is the place that I've ended
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: up in. Due to all my bad decisions in my life,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: I ended up here, and this is the one thing
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: I can do. So, like, the fact that they didn't
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: have chemistry almost works for that, you know? Well, you're right.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: It would become an idealized romance if they did, if
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: they were perfect for each other. You'd want them to
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: go off to heaven and live together as perfect souls,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: but they're not, they don't have chemistry. They had a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: screwed up weekend where they screwed around and had tons
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: of drugs. And like that, that's what happened. And like,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: that's the weird world of this movie is like, it's
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: not them having perfect chemistry and going to be together forever.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, right. This was a bad hookup. And now
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to sell my soul for you because that's
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: all I got.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. He wouldn't had there not been something there,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the crow wouldn't have given him a chance. All right. But,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: you know, so there may have been something there. But,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: you know, they were just him.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Is it just the well, I kind of want to
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: get to that, too. What you think of the the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: limbo world that he ends up in and whoever that
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: guy is, that this is a job. But I could
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: maybe that's all he saw of him. He's like, look,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: you've done nothing with your life. You haven't shown anything
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: that would be reason for you to go to heaven,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to give you this chance. Like whether
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: or not you guys are meant to be together, whether
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: you have chemistry and you love this girl, here is
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: the chance I can give you because otherwise I'll just
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: take you off right now. Yeah. Judgment ain't going to
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: be good. So let's put you back and see if
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: you can redeem yourself. If you can become something like,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: even if it's not for her, if for you, you
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: can become something better by going back. Right. I don't know.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: It's really interesting.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: It's like her fate, Shelly's fate is to go to hell.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: And so like, this is a person who is the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: first time he's maybe felt belonging. And so maybe it's not. Yeah.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Like the fantasy love, but what a great story of like,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: just being selfless, you know, of like saying like, look,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: I just don't, I, it is kind of, it's kind
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: of like a be in a night where it's like,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't know. It just like, The stakes for
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Shelly wasn't that she'd be dead and she's in heaven now.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: It's like, she's going to hell unless somebody intervenes.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: She's going to hell and deserves it, basically. She's meant
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: to screw up. She's not a great person. Whether or
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: not the bad guy is involved, she murdered someone, at
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: least one person that we know of. Based on the facts,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: she needs to go to hell. He's the one that
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: has to come in and go, no, I think there's something...
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: to her. I think she is redeemable.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: Like she got led down the wrong path, but like,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: there's something good there in her still.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: And like, that is like the reason to give it,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: you know, give it a shot, but.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: It was something not a great person.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: There was, there's something good and I'm not a great person,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: but there was something good in each other that we
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: brought out of each other. You know, we, we showed
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: peace and compassion towards each other. And maybe they just
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: aren't used to being in a world of, people showing
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: compassion for each other you know and so we've seen
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: not that we've seen all right and so the I
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: like the the fact yeah what that was interesting when
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Danny Houston whispers into your ear is the the movie
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: says that it just brings the darkness in you and
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: brings it up to the surface you know And so
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: it's like that darkness was in these people and it
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: just makes you do the horrible things, you know, that.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: The things that you talk yourself out of all day long. Yeah.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: It just gets rid of that reservation, that bumper that
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: stops it.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: So we all go through the day and be like, oh,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: I could murder that dude. And it just takes that
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: away and you go murder someone.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Takes that away. Right, right, right. Or, you know, you
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: hurt yourself or you're doing something, you know, just something
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: that makes you less destructive. You know, that that barrier
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: is taken down. So, yeah, that was a really cool thing.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: There was some interesting stuff there.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: So I was in that line. I liked the bad
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: guy's motivation where he wasn't just like this nihilist going like,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: let's just watch it all burn. You know, that was
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: not greeting cards and stuff.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I like that line's awesome though.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Man whatever the hell he says it's so good right
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: um that only is funny because it's michael wink got.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Bad well yeah wouldn't have been terrible had they had
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: uh danny houston try to redo that line i mean
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: so we're gotta say that they're is this could have
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: been so much worse had they tried to, you know,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: do line grabs and, you know, have it reset and
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: just been terrible.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Which happens in a reboot type things. One of which
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: I won't, won't discuss. Cause I don't think you've seen,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: but we got that in a recent one that I'm
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: just like, Oh really? Like we're going there. So yeah,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: that happens a lot. So the fact that they like
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: purposely went a different direction because that's, That's the other thing.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: This delves into, like, the otherworldly... Like, all we get
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: in the first one is just the basic structure of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: the crow. Yeah. And, like, that's pretty much it. Yeah. And, like,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: there's sort of some weird mystic-y stuff going on with
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: our winged cot and his girlfriend's sister.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: You know, eating eyeballs or whatever. You know, that's weird
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: and mystical, but, like, we never cross the line into, whoa,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: you know, this is otherworldly. Whereas this one, like, this
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: guy made a deal with the devil.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: He has... otherworldly evil powers to make people go murder
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: and whatever they need to do. And like it, it
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: takes on an entirely different role as far as the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: like bad side of it. Whereas bad side in the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: original is just like street thugs, you know, it's just
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: like dealing drugs and making money off of people and
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: burning shit down. Like, you know, it's just a bunch of,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: you know, idiot bad guys from any action movie. Right.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: And versus this is like otherworldly demon powers. Yeah.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I can buy because the movie is about
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: a guy coming back to life.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it is. Again, the structure of the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: crow sets up for that. So it's almost weird that
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: the original doesn't really... Like, we don't even get to
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: the rules of it much. She just gives the, if
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: you love someone, and they come back, and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: And then eventually the bad guys kind of figure out
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: it's connected to the crow. But, like, we don't really
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: understand why or who... Actually, I mean, that stuff was
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: kind of in there, that... the stuff that got cut
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: out yeah skull cowboy character right right michael berryman showed
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: up right told him the rules more or less and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: is also why we get that weird jump cut and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: he's all taped up because it was sort of that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: same thing of like if you you know start to
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: doubt yourself or your relationship or whatever you don't have
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: the healing powers anymore right right duct taped himself back
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: together which doesn't make any sense in that first one
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: so i think it's actually a smart move as far
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: as the like it they again there's no doubting himself
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: like he's in the right their love is true like
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: everything makes sense in that first one the way that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: it is if you add in that doubting part in
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: the non-healing part it doesn't make any sense so Like,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: the only time he should be hurt is they figure
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: out the weird thing with the crow, and then they
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: hurt the crow, and then he hurts. So, again, it's
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: all a real balanced version of why. It's a logical
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: reason why. Oh, the crow was protecting him, more or less.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: But no, like, behind the scenes, you know, oh, this
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: is this rule, and you have to follow this rule,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: and if you start to, you know, if you don't
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: believe you can fly, you're gonna fall.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: Clap your hands, people, if you believe in the love
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: of the crow, and he'll come back.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah well it was cool i like that.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Line it makes no sense in that first one but
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: this one it actually makes sense to work that kind
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: of stuff in yeah because he doubts the relationship from
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: the midway point in this movie he's just like right
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: yeah i don't know about this yeah it was a
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: weird turn in the theater i was just like what
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: what are they doing but as it went on i'm
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: like that kind of makes sense in this story not
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: in the original but it makes sense in this story.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: No, I really like the line, the opposite of love
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: is not hate, but doubt. I thought that was great.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: I thought that was very true. And why love is
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: so fragile. And so I thought that was great. I
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: liked what they were doing. I liked the motive of
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: the bad guy, because basically he's terrified of going to hell,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: and he will do anything to to keep himself.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: I did set up a little piece of this backstory
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: that like, he's been around for hundreds of years.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: Right. He's just keep for some reason, keeps suckering in
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: these like talented young girls. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: was exactly why, but like, right. You just pick any
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: random dude on the street, I suppose, but he just
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: likes hanging out with talented young girls and then stealing
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: their souls.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess that's because of their innocence. Uh, yeah,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: it would seem like they're, they seem, you know, like,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: They've just been pouring themselves into this talent. So they're uncorrupted.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: So it's a bigger win for the devil if he
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: can take something beautiful and really destroy it. But I
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: got the feeling that it's not like something– it's transactional
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: for him. There's no love of doing evil. He seems
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: to love the finer things in life, but.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: He enjoys the spoils of his activity.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Right, right. But it's like, this is like what I
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: have to do to keep doing this. And I just
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: got the feeling that he was terrified of death, which
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: was a different motive than Michael Wincock, you know? So
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: I was going like, that's kind of nice.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: And kind of interesting, again, in this story, to bookend, like,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: he's such a pussy, essentially, he'll do anything to... Because
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: he's so scared of death. Meanwhile, our screw up lead
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: is just like, yeah, I don't even know that this
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: is the right decision, but I'm committing to die for
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: this girl that I don't know very well. Like if
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I'm willing to sell my soul to hell. Basically just
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: because I feel like it's the right thing to do.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: So it just makes him so much more impressive than
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: our like loser bad guy that's like.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: So afraid of death. He's been running for hundreds of years.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of years from it. He's been running from the consequences.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: And our new crow, he's like going like, I'm going
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: to finally stand for something and take the consequences for
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: standing up for something, you know? Death is death.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to deal with it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Whereas our other guy won't get anywhere near it, essentially.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: That's right. One other little line I got that I
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: really liked was when he was about to kill the
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: not Tilda Swinton character.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Well, when you can't afford Tilda Swinton.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: She was a good stand-in. She was a good stand-in.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: I saw her, and I was like, is that what
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: they're going for? Because it very much....
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. I, well, she goes like, she goes like,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: he goes like, why were you doing this? And she
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: was just was like going like, it's, it's just, you know,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: the bad that's going on and it's just a little
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: bit at a time and you're not really involved in it.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: And then just a little by little, and then it
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: swallows you up. And I was going like, that is
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: a great description of, I bet there's.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: A lot of people that that's where their lives end.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: That's how it happens. Like, how am I in this situation?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: This is not my.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Much like our two leads, more or less. Like, they
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: start out wanting to end up the screw-ups.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: That they are. But, like, you know, little by little.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna make
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: this decision. I'm gonna do some more drugs. I'm gonna
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: go break in this place. I'm gonna, you know, they
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: continue to make worse and worse decisions. And the next
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: thing you know, that's all their life is.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Like, it is just this.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: concentrated version of every bad decision they've made and here
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: they are stuck in rehab together right right like government
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: enforced rehab you know you've already been arrested god knows
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: how many times you're such a junkie we're sending you here.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: And so but it was a cool that was a
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: cool mirror in that you know the lead that woman
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: was going like look I'm as much a prisoner of
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: my bad decisions as anybody you know And so it
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: was kind of this fatalistic view of, you know, it's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: like how what people are or the sum of their decisions.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: But you're just sometimes just like making the best decision
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: at the moment. But sometimes those decisions are just wrong decisions.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: And sometimes you're making a bad decision to cover another
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: bad decision, you know, because it's I don't know. I
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: don't know. Now it's my life. Hold on. This is
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, man.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: I've made a lot of stupid decisions and look where
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. There's just sometimes you go like,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know how I got here. I see the
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: train of events that happened. I see some bad decisions
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: I made, but I'm going like, you know, I wouldn't
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: say I set out to be a bad person though,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: you know? And so I thought that was really, they
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: just give it, a line, you know, of like how
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: evil people get evil or how messed up people get
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: messed up, you know, and just like, you know, kind
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: of like ignoring, you know, there's wrong things going on,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: but you don't, you're not directly involved.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: And it's benefiting you, so why not just shut up
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: and go along with it? Right. Just keep shutting up
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: and going along with it in your deep, deep, That's right.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: A lot of people get themselves into that.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. So the fact that,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I got something out of this other than like, uh,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: what a crappy crew.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's more than you're going to say about
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: the other three movies. The other sequels don't really give
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: you something to think about except, Oh God, what are
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: they doing here? Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: And we'll just say, you know, and the fact that, um, we'll,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about the other side real quick. Just the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: train station. I thought I was going to say.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: What is your thoughts on the limbo world that he
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: ended up in?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: I thought it looked cool, but I thought it was
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: really funny that the, that the, his little guide that
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: he says, the first thing he says, like, you would
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: think we would have thought of something better.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: That was just in the margins in the production notes.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: And then they actually forgot and said that as a line. Like,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: oh shit, that was in parentheses on the side of
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: the script. They could have come up with something better
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: for this scene, but.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Alright, whatever. A train station?
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even tell. Sometimes I feel like it's a
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: train station. Sometimes it's like they're in the middle of
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: building a skyscraper and they stopped and then Let in
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: some water and weeds. Like, I don't know what it is.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: Are we on a bridge? I don't know where we are. Like,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: it's just a weird otherworldly place. And I don't know
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: what I think of it.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind of like I know
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: you waited, you know, you crow fans have waited like
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: a thousand years for a big budget reboot where we
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: can see the other side. But this is all we
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: could think of.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Because i think the other one just appears to him
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: like i think he just like hangs out in the
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: graveyard and then the skull cowboy shows up and gives
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: him some rules and whatnot but yeah it's like we
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: don't get the weird limbo world that we keep keep
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: that's the thing he keeps going back there he keeps
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: dying and ending up in there which is another weird
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: in-between thing that i'm like this is definitely different than
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: what they were doing the first time because we never
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: have an Like, it's almost like Groundhog Day. He keeps
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: screwing up and like, oops.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Back here again.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Time to start over. Send him back up.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, so I thought the train
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: station was fine. I thought it was serviceable. i like
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: that they had some guy giving you some some feedback
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: and some rules and raising the stakes for him. I
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: thought it was fine.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: And he's not like a super all-powerful, godlike character. He
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: seems like, again, we've almost entered into Beetlejuice world, where
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: in the other world, this is like civil servant duty.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: He's just like, I drew the short straw, and I
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: gotta go talk to this guy at a train station
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: about rules and yeah throw him into a puddle six
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: or eight.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Times yeah yeah like.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: It feels like this is his job like he does
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: once again his job that he's not thrilled about what
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: he has to do but this is day in day
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: out i gotta go talk to curry this up guy
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: because i got another guy at a broken down building
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: on the other side of town i gotta.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Go right so right right yeah no i think he's
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: uh He's kind of like the social worker for these
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: guys coming in. It's like, look, okay. He's like, he's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: like doing a plea bargain for him. He's like, look,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: you can do this.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: I gotta go help. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: You know, you can do this. You can get that.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: All right. But you got to give us something if
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: you want that, you know, you know, it's like, you know,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: you know, there's gotta be some balance around here, you know?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: I liked, I'm just going through these, these 10, 11
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: quotes I've got here. I've got one. OK, go for it.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: Because you mentioned the violence in the original. Yeah. What
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: do you think about the gore? Because this was full
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: on horror movie gore throughout this movie.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: I have a love of gore and I also have
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: a love of posh settings getting all fucked up. All right.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: I like I like to see it.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Break and stuff all right i like to see stuff
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: i like to see i like to see a table
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: of fine china get body slammed and i just at
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: a visceral level i like to see nice things get
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: ruined okay and so um uh i as much as
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: i and i love that action sequence at the end
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: of the first crow i think it is like a
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: perfect freaking thing i mean again i was.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: Looking back at that comparatively because that's one of the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: reasons i also wanted to go back and re-watch the
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: first one because i'd seen people like sort of making
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: fun of the fact that like he just starts killing
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: all these other people and they're like weren't you supposed
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: to just be killing the guys who killed you and
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: by the end he's like taking out 28 guys for
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: no good reason that's true all right that might be
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: different And I mean, it is kind of rewatching the
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: first one. It is like, he's pretty much just focused
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: on those four guys. And like, even when you get
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: to the big shootout scene with the drug dealers, he
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: walks in and he's like, Hey guys, I just want him. And, like,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: he really was not there to kill Wincott, you know?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: He was like, I'm here for this mental challenge guy. And, like,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: if you hand him over to me, I'm walking out
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: of here. I'll go kill him and be on my
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: merry fucking way.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: And that's actually something I got out of it this
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: time was that he, once he found out, I guess,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: that Wincott was the guy that was behind everything.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: Then he had to add him to his list, essentially. But, like, originally.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: And the same thing with all those guys. He's like,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: I don't want any of you guys. I'm here for
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: that one guy. Okay. And that's my job. That's my
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: redemption is take out these guys so I can move
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: on and be with the one that I love. You know,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: it's like it was more of like, here's my list.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: All I'm here for is revenge on these specific people.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: And that's it. I don't care about you being bad.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: Because the other people that were bad, he was trying to, like,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: he'd rough them up. Like, again, our pawn shop owner
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: is an asshole. And he knows he's feeding off people.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: But he doesn't kill them.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: He could have. He almost does.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: But he like kind of gives him a chance he's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: like he could have just killed him you know point
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: blank but instead he's like i'm gonna let you live
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: so you can go tell them i'm gonna kill the
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: rest of them and then same thing with her mom
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: like i love the moment when he like oozes drugs
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: out of her yeah that was cool again he's not
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: he doesn't go and beat the hell out of her
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: he's just like look why don't you be a good
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: mom and quit being a damn junkie right right so
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: like again he's just trying to send people on the
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: right path that he's there to, you know, he'll rough
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: them up if he needs to, but he's not there
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: to murder everyone that gets in his way versus this time.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think he cares.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Listen, I think I get from the feeling that he
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: is resigned and this new one, he is resigned that
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: he's got to get this main bad guy, Danny Houston. Okay. And,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't seem to be taking any action. pleasure
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: he looks like he's dead inside he knows he is
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: damned and he's going to do the thing that he
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: said he's going to do and he's not going to
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: let anybody stop him.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: Anyone who gets in his way anyway he gets in
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: his way but there's so many guys along the way
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: even before the big finale that i'm just like just
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: random dudes in the apartment cops yeah they're kind of
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: dirty too so like everybody's a horrible person in this
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: movie so who cares if they die But it is
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: funny that he doesn't seem to worry. Even though he
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: gets way more of the handed to him rules, he
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't worry about that shit. He's just like, oh, you're here? Eh, whatever.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: Time to die. Well, I'm already dead. Why don't you
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: be dead too?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: I was not bothered by it.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: I wasn't bothered by it. It's just a story beat
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: that's different, I feel like. Or adds a different feeling
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: to it because this one is just like, we're here
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: to take out everybody in the way who gives a shit.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: Whereas the other one almost seemed like he was just
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: sticking to the plan. You know, this guy's just like,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going back. Chaos abounds. Like who cares what happens
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: along the way, who I take out. I got to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: get this bad guy because he's screwing things up here.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: And maybe I'll save my girlfriend along the way. But yeah,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: it just seems like for the one who got the
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: rules handed to him by some weird guy in a
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: train station, like he also doesn't worry about those rules
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: versus Brandon, like add sort of a checklist. And he's like,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just here for this one thing and that's it. Like, so,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just a different, again, it's just
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: a different way of looking at it.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: So I think it adds a different tone.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: To this movie, which is already like super dark and gory. Yeah.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: The fact that like his, like with Brandon's again, it's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: 1994 special effects. So you're seeing closing up wounds or
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: iffy at best, but they're fine. They're serviceable. You know,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: it does what they need to do versus here. full-on
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: horror movie like his guts are spilling out and you're
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: just like okay this is a different version dude i
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: love some visceral gore and i i saw him on
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: this kamikaze mission at the end I love that ending, really. Again,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how I feel about it, except
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: I was so entertained. It's a good thing there was
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: almost no one in the theater, because I was laughing.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: I was having so much fun. I was loving that
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: whole finale. And I don't know that there were four
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: other people in my theater. And I don't know if
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: they were concerned that they were in the theater with
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: me by the end of it.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: Dude, I was in the theater by myself, tackling like
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: a hyena. That was me!
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: I was having so much fun.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Because it just.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: Dialed to 11 by the time he gets to the opera.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I like that it wasn't industrial. I like that it
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: was opera, intercut. I was going like, this is big budget, highfalutin,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: cutting in scenes of a cool opera.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: Isn't this dramatic?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't this dramatic and operatic? And they cranked it
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: up to operatic levels of violence.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: First of all, is that opera a real thing? Because
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: I want to go see it.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: I want to go see that. I'm not into opera,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: but that one looked great.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: That one looked awesome. So it was perfectly suited to
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: our creepy, gory world. But yeah. The other thing, as
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: he gets to the opera, tell me that entire segment
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't exist in a pre-John Wick world. Because it was
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: the most John Wick shit I have seen outside of
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: John Wick or Atomic Blonde. So like outside of that
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: little world, like this is, I guess, like the wake
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: of that now. Like we're starting to see movies that
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: are like, yeah, we're going to do kind of like that,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: only our way. So it's like they're doing it Crow style,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: but it's also like the most John Wick shit I've
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: ever seen. And I'm not saying that is a bad thing.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: I think John Wick movies, from the action perspective, again,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: I think they are diminishing as you get further away
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: from that original because there's so much heart in that original.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: And later he's just beating people's ass. So this one
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: is just, let's focus on the beating people's ass and
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: do it like so brutally. Like that's the laughing is
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: like the extent that they were going to to make it.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: the most violent death for every one of these assholes
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: that came at him.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: Dude, dude. I was watching the 94 one going like, man,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: movies used to be so violent, you know? And then
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: I went to go see this remake, and I was
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: going like, holy shit.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was violent, but again, it was shooting
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: people from across the room violent. Versus the, we're going
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: to get up close and personal with their insides now.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: The gore level on that one was just. Again, you
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: can tell the budget's a little more to work with.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: A little more to work with. And the CG is
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit more refined, so it doesn't look too wonky.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: There's still a little more CG than I was. Oh,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: CG blood always looks bad. So I wish they could
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: have toned down the CG blood and just splattered a
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: little more with real blood. But yeah, that's just personal.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: I wasn't taken out. Like there was a movie a
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: few years back, Renfield with Nicolas Cage, where the blood,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: the blood just looked like cartoon blood. It didn't seem
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: to touch anything and get on anybody. And I got him.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. This one definitely was gory and messy and, you know,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: it just also got an extra tweaking of CG blood
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: for some reason.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Him, you know, the big spoiler, or the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: big gag in the movie was just like him... pushing
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: the blade through the guy's face.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: Well, again, one of my favorite moves ever. I feel
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: like I've seen versions of this before, but him stabbing
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: through himself to get to the guy behind him.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: And then following that up with another, like, body slam
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: with a blade through me. I was like, dude, this
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: is hardcore. Like, this is what I'm looking for.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: This guy's having so much fun. What I liked about
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: it also, one of my big points was, in the original,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: you've got Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee doing action sequences.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: So even though his character is like this, you know,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: even though his character is like this, you know, sad musician,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: he's a pretty rock star. He is also an expert
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: mixed martial artist. All right.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: So it would be, it's in his blood.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: It's in his blood. And if you did the crow
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: with Brandon Lee and he wasn't that, you would want
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: your money back. If he couldn't do like spin kicks
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: and backflips and you know, all that stuff, you'd be like,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: only I.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: Did realize that watching this again, just to intercut with this,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: it is interesting because it only becomes the, the big
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: noble fairy tale after he's dead. Like in the real world,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: he's not that guy in the real world. He comes in,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: they beat his ass and throw him out a window. Yeah.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: He's not a super bad-ass. He really is a pretty
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: boy musician. And he comes in and wants to save
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: his girlfriend and can't. So the only way that he
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: becomes the hero is in death. Like, he comes back,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: gets the second chance, and now he's a fucking badass.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: Right, he's kind of got crow powers.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got, I mean, he really does, because he, like,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: throws people across the room. So he, like, he has
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: crow powers. He's got Logan powers, because he heals himself.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Like, he's just indestructible for.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: Most of the movie and just beats people's ass. And, like,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: that's what makes him... really cool for us, but, like,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: in the real world, in that window of two minutes
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: that we see him, I'm like, he's not that guy.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: So that was interesting, like, re-watching it this time, realizing that, like,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: he wasn't always badass Brandon Lee in the story. In
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: the beginning, he's just a dork that shows up in
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: the wrong place in the wrong time and, like, wants
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: to save his girlfriend and is unsuccessful.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: And, like, that's part of the tragedy.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, he doesn't save his girlfriend. His girlfriend gets...
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: I forget how much there's like, oh, and rape. Yay, fun.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: I try to block that part out of the original,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: but no, that's realistic. Those are horrible guys, and that's
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: exactly what they would have done. So that part is
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: a little harder to take when you love these two
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: the way that you do.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, another reason I'm glad I didn't
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: watch it with my kids. Yeah, really.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: But then fast forward to this world where it's like, yeah,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: he's just.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: He just becomes, like you said, he's on a mission.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: Like he's there to go through everybody. Like he's there
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: with damned and determined, literally damned and determined. I am
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: dead already and you're all coming with me.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. I like that take on it.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: And I like that, you know, he wasn't great at it.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: He was not like, you know, Brandon Lee gets like
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: shot and everything, but he's very adept at killing people and,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: I got the feeling that this seemed like a normal
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: guy with indestructible powers taking out a room of people.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't... It was messy. It wasn't choreo. It didn't
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, John Woo to me. It felt
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: like real ham-fisted, you know, street-fighting, uh, just kind of
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: improvising it, you know, he's just like, I'm going to
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: walk up to this guy. I want to do this, but, um,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: you know, if it wasn't for my, you know, superpowers, basically.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: The ultimate version, did you ever see blue ruin?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: Blue ruin.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I did. I love blue ruin, but it
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: is that is like, here's a normal dork. Here's a
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: regular old guy and shit goes wrong. And like, he
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: wants to get revenge. But what if you're a normal
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: dorky guy who's not a martial artist, who's not a
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: gun-toting superhero, who doesn't have powers, and you still want
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: to carry out vengeance, you know? And it's like, everything
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: goes wrong for this guy. Yeah. But he still keeps
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: at it because he's just so determined. And that's kind
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: of what this is, only they gave him superpowers. Right. Right.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: Right. So it wasn't like he became somebody else when
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: he became the crow. He's just the same guy. But
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: now just bullets won't stop him.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: He doesn't stop. He just keeps going. And that's what
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: makes this fun is like these guys are just getting
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: mowed down right and left and like they're still coming.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: Like it's a video game of like somewhere off screen.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: They're regenerating a new batch of dorks and like they
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: just keep coming at him. And he just, he's getting
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: his ass kicked, but doesn't care. He's like, I'm gonna keep,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: because every one of them shoots him and stabs him. Like,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: he keeps getting hurt every time. And he's like, don't care.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: Still going up these stairs. Like, I'm gonna take out
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: whoever I need to. And I'm like, that's the, like,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: I'm damned and don't give a shit.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: It works so well in that scene. It's a weird
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: scene in context with the rest of the movie, but
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't care because it's so much fun.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: It's so much fun.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got a feeling from the bad guys.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: I know they're just, like, stop bad guys, but I
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: get the feeling that these bad guys are used to
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: getting their way.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: And they are, again, like, it's like, it should be
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: an issue because he's murdering all these dudes, but they're also, like,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: action movie rules. They're thugs. They're working for the bad guy.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: They're equally as bad. They gotta go.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: That's right. Okay, so, I think I've almost gotten through
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: all my notes here and everything, but I would say
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: I really liked, um, they played this song by The Veils.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: uh i guess it was like him walking uh through
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: it was like i guess at a certain point where
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: he's at this crossroads of should i do this or
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: not or i don't know but they play the it's
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: like a long you know miami vice driving through the
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: city to the september hill collins scene but they just
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: played almost the entire song of uh by the veils
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: uh it's called uh i can't remember now Did the.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: Electro drums kick in at that specific moment and make
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: it awesome?
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: It was called Total Depravity.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: It was the name of the song. It was a
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: good song.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: The songs were interesting in this one. Yeah, they're totally
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: different vibes from what, you know, even normal movies today.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: It was like kind of different than I expected. Yeah.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And they actually played a song from one
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: of these bands that, a band that came out in
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: the last decade. So I could call them a new band.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: They played a song by this, probably my new favorite
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: band was a band called Cold Cave. And they, it's
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: a real gothy band, you know.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: And everything.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: But I love them. I love them. And they're coming
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: out with a new album and I'm all excited and everything.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: So there was a, It was a, they were like, cool.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: They got the good taste to play cold cave for me.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: You know, the other thing on the, on the random
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: weirdos running up to him to kill him in there.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: This was just a casting choice that I was questioning
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: because most of them are like your random, like 30
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: year old dude. And it looked like a tough guy
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: who'd become a bodyguard. And then midway into him murdering people,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: this old dude comes running to him wearing a tuxedo.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: The dude with the beard? I'm like, that guy's like 60.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: What is he doing being a guard?
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: I missed that.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: He lost his retirement fund and now he's like, oh,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: I gotta go get a job again. This sucks. He
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: just was so much older than the rest of them.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: I was like, who is allow like just for the
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: weird difference like if it was everybody all over the
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: place in ages and body types but like this guy
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't a big dude he didn't look like a guy
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: who'd be like a protecting you kind of a dude
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: he was much older than the rest of us like
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: What happened here? That was a real weird question. I
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: was like, where did that guy come from? He was
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: on craft services and you were like, hey, the other
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: guy didn't show. You look like you've got our tux.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: Could you put this on for me and go over
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: there and get punched in the face? Thanks.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right. I don't remember that guy. I just
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: remember the old guy that was like one of the
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: higher up henchmen and everything. But I got, when I
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: rewatch it and everything.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: This was, yeah, on the stairs in the middle of
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: the beating the hell out of people there's one of
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: them that when you go back and watch it again
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: be like oh yeah that guy what the hell is
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: he doing.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: There i mean i did love the uh the the
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: guy about to blow his brains out then get his
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: arm chopped off the older guy those.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: Like again i don't know how much i'm gonna sit
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: around watching this movie again but i feel like i'm
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: gonna revisit the going up the stairs to the opera scene.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: Over and over again and Another one was, which I
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: thought was pretty realistic because he's not an expert fighter,
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: was when the fight in the car in the tunnel
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: and everything. I mean, it happens everywhere. in the movie,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: so you kind of forget about it. Pretty good freaking
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: action sequence when he gets thrown out and then run
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: over by the Mack truck. That was pretty great.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: That was pretty harsh. I mean, again, it had decent
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: action scenes in there.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: For our director, Rupert Sanders, who did one of your
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: favorite films of all time.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, which one?
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: Man Who Brought Us Ghost in the Shell. Speaking of
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: your favorite girl you were trying to watch.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, right, right, right, right.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: Which I actually, unrelated to this, I just rewatched because
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: I started thinking about it. I was like, I don't
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: remember that much about that. I kind of want to
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: watch it again. So I found a copy of it
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: and watched it again. My take is the same thing.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: So maybe that's just this director. I finished watching that
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: movie and went, eh, it's fine. It's fine. Once again,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: he likes things that are going to piss people off.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: Because that's one of those, like, don't touch Ghost in
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: the Shell. Don't make a live action movie. Don't put
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: this white girl in here. That's right. Like, it's going
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: to piss people off no matter what you do. And
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: he's like, nah, I'm going to make that movie anyway.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: What do I care?
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's probably like, you know,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: some prick or something, you know. But he's, you know,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: in that movie, I didn't really... Ghost in the Shell
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: isn't hollow ground for me like other people.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my thing. I went and saw it
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: in the theater, and I knew of the anime, but
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: I don't even think I'd watched it originally. I just
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: knew it was a thing, but I also knew it
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: was a big thing if you're in that world. So
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yep, this is going to piss
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: people off. And I watched it, and I was like, yeah,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: it's fine. I was like, I don't have that, so
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I just watched it as a cool
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: sci-fi action movie, and I don't hate Scarlett Johansson. So
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: you can be mad at her if you want. I
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: think she did what she could. She's handed this role.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: It almost makes sense that she looks like she does
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: because that's the whole point of the movie is they're
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: trying to hide her identity. So why wouldn't you make
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: her look like somebody different?
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. It's going to piss people off.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: So it's going to piss people off. I mean, it was,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: it was, it was weird, but I mean, he did
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: go through the trouble to basically recreate in live action,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: you know, scenes and shots. The opening scene specifically.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: The whole thing that seems like it would only work
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: in a weird opening scene of an anime and yet
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: he tried to CG his best version of that in
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: the real world. He's committed to these ideas. I don't
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: know that people responded well, but he's committed to all
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like my favorite director, Zack Snyder, who
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: just has....
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: No, he's not delusional and insane. Oh, by the way,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: while I was out yesterday after the movie, I saw
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: there was a pop vinyl of that robot guy from
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: your Zack Snyder movie. Oh, okay.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: Fantastic.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: So if you need to go grab one of those
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: as a follow-up, if you guys have been listening to
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: us yammer on about Zack Snyder movies, yeah, whatever the
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: Johnny the Robot or whatever.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: His freaking name was.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: Johnny the Robot. There's a pop vinyl of it. I
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: was like, really? They made pops of this? That's how
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: you know they're running out of stuff to make pop
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: vinyls of.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: Like Zack Snyder's straight-to-Netflix movies. But anyway, no, Rupert Sanders is,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: I think, technically a good director. Like, you're in Ghost
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: in the Shell. There's good action scenes. Like, whether you
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: like the movie or not, there's some really good, like,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: stunts and action scenes buried in there.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 3: And same thing with this. Like, for something that could
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: have gone horribly wrong, and somebody who, I guess... is
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: it known, you know, they didn't bring in the director
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: of John wick. They didn't bring in, you know, atomic
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: blonde guy. They brought this guy in and that scene
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: going up the stairs is it's getting close to that.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's white at that level, but
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: it's pretty damn close. Yeah.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: It's, it's a, it's, it's, you know, some great for me,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: it's a great a action sequence. And, uh, you know,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like, I'm just like, I think
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: I walked away from this movie, especially after talking about
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: it here. Uh, thinking that i'm not sure exactly why
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: it got so mutilated and you know i talked to
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: somebody i.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: Told you though i think it's the title and the
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: names yeah i think if you changed all of that
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: i don't think it would have done well but i
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: think it would have just flown under the radar and
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: the people who saw it would go oh you know
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: this isn't bad and other people wouldn't see it because
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: they don't care about the crow but I think that's
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: the reason it got so much backlash is they set
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: themselves up. If you, cause there's a movie, I think
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: it's fine. I don't think it deserves the low rating
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: that it got. And I think it's more well put
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: together than any of the other sequels that they didn't
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: get upset about. So I think that's what did it.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: They screwed themselves over. Yeah.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: And, you know, and it's really something that I used
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: to hate. As I said at the beginning of the show,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: I used to hate, movies that basically stand on the
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: shoulders of these little scrappy Indies and they just do
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: it with like all this money. But I really kind
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: of feel like they, you know, you kind of, it's
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: okay to do a retake on something if you've got
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: something new to do with it, you know? And I,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: I have much more respect for this reboot than I
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: do for city of angels, you know, or some of
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: these just, you know, slap together, you know, cash-ins. I mean, it's,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: It's such a– it's an IP. They're desperate to get
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: people back into the movie theater, so they get these IPs. And, hey,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: I went to go see it. So, I mean, I
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: went to go see it, and I didn't go see
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: the new Shyamalan movie, which is an original idea, I guess. Again,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: I talked about.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: Not going to see the movies, and then I finally
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: go back to see, and I've seen Alien. I've seen–
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: The Crow, and I've seen Beetlejuice. All there are now
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: is just, let's reboot that thing that we saw that
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: one time that people kind of liked. So yeah, that's
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 3: what they're making now. So I mean, I don't know.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: You can bitch about it if you want, but if
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: they're making good ones, I don't have a problem with it.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: If they're making crappy ones, I'm going to call them out.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: I don't really care.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: People just get upset about the concept, and I'm like, well,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: if you just do something good with it, I don't care.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 3: Just make a good movie. That's the most important part.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: Treat it with some respect and give us something to
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: chew on. And, and I am fine with it. I mean, the,
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: the sacred ground of the crow has been desecrated so
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: many times, so many times with so much less respect and,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: and thought and effort, you know, that I'm going like, yeah,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm, I'm totally down with this new one.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: And I talked to somebody, I didn't, get their full
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: take on it but i said like hey i'm gonna
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: go see the new somebody at work i said i'm
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: gonna go see that new crow movie and uh they
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: said like that movie's terrible and uh i at first
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: i gave it like a seven but then when i
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: was thinking about it you know i got like uh
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: you know i started poking holes in it and then
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: you know i i think it's a it's a I
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: was really walking into this like thinking this was going
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: to be garbage, you know. So the fact that it
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: was a competently made movie.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: As I sat there, I was just like, I don't
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: know what it is. They were, I mean, again, taking
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: the Crow fans out of it that they have, you know,
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: the deck against you from them. But like as a
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: normal person on the street throwing yourself into this, I'm like,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is unless you just don't like.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: the basics like you don't like oh there's too much
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: gore i don't like this character i don't like you
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: know his dumb tattoo look like i don't know what
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: they're taking from it that that upsets them so much
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: that yeah people were just i'm like there's nothing on
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: that level offensive about this unless you just don't like
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: gore or you don't like action movies or like i
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: don't know what else you're so upset about because even
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: if you if you take this out of context and
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: this no other Crow movie had ever been made. This
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: is in a void. And like, you go watch it.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: It's fine. Like, even if you don't love it, it's fine.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: It's a totally serviceable movie. What are you guys getting
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: so worked up about? I, exactly, dude.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I'm going like, and you know,
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like a John Wick. I mean, it had
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: John Wick style kind of actions. Just that one scene, basically.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, John Wick is good.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the John, but so, but it wasn't like,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: every five minutes an action sequence, you know, which I
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: appreciated that they gave the people some room to breathe
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: for some character development.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of setup there. Like, it
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: is interesting, whereas, you know, we have no time with
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: our couple in the original. Like, we spend, what, 25
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: minutes or something of just them getting in trouble going
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: into rehab talking breaking out going on their long weekend
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: like it's just like all of that build up is
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: surprising really that like this is what they've chosen to
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: do with this action movie like it's kind of weird
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: that like they devote as much time as they do
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: to character development and in a movie like this like
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: You would think they would just crank out something and
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: not worry about it and do a ton of action scenes.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: But there's a lot of character development and setup on
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: this thing.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: So I didn't leave the movie like a John Wick movie.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: I leave exhausted. I feel like I feel pummeled by
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: John Wick movies. All right.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: That's our job.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: Beat you as well as the characters on screen.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly. You feel like you've been in one of the
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: action sequence at the end of a John Wick movie
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: because I think those movies are great. as like probably
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: a web series, you know, which you can sort of
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: digest and appreciate.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: Five minute snippets. I just went five minutes of beating
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: people's ass and then I can go back to doing
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: my stuff and I'll come back later and.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: Watch them come back later read another chapter later you
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: know um but this one actually felt like you know
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: yeah there was enough build that i actually enjoyed the
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: action more because it wasn't just trying to be non-stop
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: every second so yeah you know.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: And it's not polished. You watch that first one with
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: him and the cop, and he doesn't know what's going on,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: and he's just getting shot. He has no idea what's happening,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: and yet he's the victim in this scenario. And then
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: he's just like, oh, wait, I can heal? Hold on.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: So it is just fumbling his way into being the
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: superhero in this movie. It is such an interesting take
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: on all these things that could be played differently or
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: generically and like they do different things with them than
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: you expect so there's something to be said for that there's.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: Something that they tried you know you gotta give them
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: and it's not like a condescending oh you tried to
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: do something different I go like I give you I
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: give you props for trying to do something that's what I.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: Want from anything in a franchise and this is what
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: I don't get especially in our reboot world where everything
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: has to be labeled as a reboot or a recall
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: or some sort of re it attempt at whatever that
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: worked the first time. I'm like, I don't care if
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: you stay in the franchise. I don't care if you're
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: sort of using the basic overall thing. But once you
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: get there, just do something else with it. If you
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: want the original thing, well, you already have it.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: Go watch it.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: It's not like this is the old days when they
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: played the movie once and you never saw it again.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: You can own it. You can have it on your phone.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: You can walk around with it all day. It's there
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: at any moment at the touch of a finger. You
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: can watch whatever movie you ever want to watch. So
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: there's no reason for us to remake the exact same movie.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: But if the concept is interesting and you have a
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: different spin... take it there. Like do that.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't care that you're using.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: A basic idea, but tell a different story now that
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: you're doing it. Right. That's totally what happens here. So
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: it's like, I appreciate that. I wish more franchises would
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: do that instead of trying to just rehash the same thing.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: Let's reboot it and then do kind of the same
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: thing again. Yeah. It's like, why, why? Like, we already
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: have that. Don't do that again. Do something else. It's
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: way more interesting. That's all we're looking for. Like, I
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: My thoughts on it.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: I agree. Do something else. I mean, I don't want
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: them to, like, go so far out. But if you
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: got the story, just do a different take on it.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Just don't pretend like it's the same.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: Like we're doing here. If you call it a different title,
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: it's the problem that we have. Our brand recognition is
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: so burned in in some corporate brain that, like, You
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: can't stray from that. You can't tell anything that's not
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: going to come off as the thing they love. And
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, if you mess with the thing they love,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: you're going to piss them off. Like they don't ever
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: seem to get a handle on that part of it.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you can't mess with the geeks like thing
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: that they love. Like that will piss them off. You
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: can give them more of the thing they love and
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: they will line up and give you money. But if
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: you mess with the thing that they already love, you're
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: going to piss people off. And like they never seem
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: to get a handle on that.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like Alien Covenant. Oh, like the aliens were
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: designed by this robot man. I'm like, what? You've almost
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: single-handedly ruined... You've almost made me retroactively not like Alien.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: When we all know that they were created by the
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: Predators so that they would be the ultimate game to hunt.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: We all know. We all know this.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: We all know this, right?
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: Anyway. Alright, so.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: heroin addled my mind yeah anyway go ahead but i'm sorry.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: Well again i the only other thought i had came
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: after watching both these movies and i thought maybe that's
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: how we should round things out here okay so yesterday
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: i i get up you know i'm an old man
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: so the only time i can watch stuff is in
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: the morning otherwise i'll fall asleep so i get up
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 3: and have my morning movie just like you do and
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: um i'm drinking my coffee and watching the crow And
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: then afterwards, I finish, and I'm like, oh, let's go
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: make some breakfast. So I'm sitting there, and I'm making breakfast.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: And out the back door, there's this squirrel that runs
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: up and just sits on the little fence outside the
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: back window. And then I start having these flashes of
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: Sarah talking to the crow in the 94 one. And
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: she's like, hey, what are you doing here? She has
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: whole conversations with the crow when he shows up in
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: the window. Yes. And so I look over and I'm like, hey,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: what's up, squirrel? What you doing? So I'm like, what
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: if it was a different animal option? What if a
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: squirrel carries your soul to the other side? And like,
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: so now we're going to have the squirrel. Like you've
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: got a little shimmering squirrel on your shoulder the whole
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: time when you're beating people's ass. Do you think it
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: would work with other animals? That's my question.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, well.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: The squirrel.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about youth culture nowadays, but...
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: This is going down the furry road, isn't it? Jesus Christ, dude.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: Furries aren't just for sexual perverts anymore. There has become
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: a disnification of furries where just people are just... You know,
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: teens and middle schoolers They're just walking around with tails and, uh, uh,
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: free masks. And, uh, you know, I would say that
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: I know some of them very well. And I, when
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: they started saying like, I'm a furry, I go like,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: you do know that just basically means you're a, that
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: she goes like creepy perv.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: We all know. Right.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: Right. No, no, no, dad. It's not just creepy pervs. Okay.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: It's just like, uh, okay. It's a lifestyle choice. All right.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: And I go like, okay, I guess I just, in
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: my day, furry meant creepy sexual perv.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 3: Well, again, originally you just had, like, team mascots. And
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: then they branched out and became something else. And, like,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: by the time regular, I'm saying, you know, in quotes.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: Boring people found out about it and were like, oh, well,
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: this is just nothing but creepy sex stuff. And then,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: you know, as we branch out and, you know, a
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: whole new generation kicks in, they find other aspects of it,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: I'm okay with it. Will I possibly make fun of you? Yes.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right.
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  Speaker 3: I make fun of everyone. I suck, so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's fine. I can make fun of other people, too,
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  Speaker 3: and they're making fun of me, so that's fine. I'm
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  Speaker 3: hanging out with a squirrel on my shoulder. What do
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  Speaker 3: I know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I kind of see it as like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, because of like the sexual liberation
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  Speaker 1: of everything, everybody now, you know, it's like everybody is
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  Speaker 1: free to be what they want. I think if like you,
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  Speaker 1: I think furry has become like the new different thing
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  Speaker 1: that you can be because nobody cares if you're gay
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  Speaker 1: or bi or anything anymore, you know, but whatever you are,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, you're do your own thing,
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Which opens up all new avenues too. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: here's what I want to do. And now you're not
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: really supposed to question that stuff. And that's good.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: That's positive. You know, it's like whatever. And I've always
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: said that I'm like, whatever you're into be into as
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  Speaker 3: long as nobody else is getting injured in the process.
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  Speaker 3: As long as it's all on good terms, go do
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  Speaker 3: your thing. And who cares? Like, yeah, again, I'm okay
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: with that happening in society, but there are still people
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  Speaker 3: that want to fight it tooth and nail.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And really, it's become like a
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: new thing to be hate-crimed over. So, you know, because
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: you can't hate-crime somebody because of their sexual orientation because
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: you're an asshole. You got stupid ears on, though.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 3: I'm going to beat your ass. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not a sink. It's a frontier that
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: has not been.
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  Speaker 1: Shamed yet, you know, and everything. So, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Can't we all just get along?
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: They could do a version of the crow for the
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: furry community called the squirrel.
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  Speaker 3: All I know is That squirrel sat there for like
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  Speaker 3: 10 minutes. I was getting to be kind of convinced
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  Speaker 3: he was there to take me on a journey. So
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  Speaker 3: the fact that I'm talking to you now is surprising
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: because I assumed I was going to be going off
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  Speaker 3: with that squirrel yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Some people say when something really, really lame happens, a
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: squirrel will bring you back.
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  Speaker 3: When your life is really, really lame, a squirrel will
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: show up and just kind of sit there and laugh
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 3: at you. You're like, what an idiot. You just watched
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: a movie and you're making a breakfast burrito. What a
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: doofus you are. The squirrel laughed and ran off. Oh
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great alternate universe of the crow. Yeah, I
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: think that would totally work, man. I think you could
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: do anything.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. So that's what I was thinking as
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: I was having my conversation with the squirrel like Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, dude.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: Well, we have definitely addressed both crows and other side
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: crow avenues. Yep. Many facets in this. There was more
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: there than I expected, so good. for that movie for
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: sort of stepping up to do something.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: Different absolutely i think i think we've actually given uh
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: this reboot and the crow franchise a fair shake of
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: analysis and you know fandom geekery so i mean i
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: think that's uh I think we got more I got
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: more out of this than I thought we would I
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: mean I liked it.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 3: More than I expected in the theater but yeah I
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: kind of have way more appreciation for it now just
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: having this conversation movies.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: Are the experience but equal part of a movie is
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: the discussion of the movie so.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: For me geeks that we are that's yeah That's the thing.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: It's a bad movie.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: The regular people of the world just watch something and
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: glosses over them and they go on and have the
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: rest of their normal ass day. Geeks, that's just the
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: first step.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: You watched it.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, I watched it. Now, who can I talk about
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: with it? Who's going to dive into this with me?
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. We don't have much of a community.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: But when we have it, we have it you know
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: it's like exactly we're a broken bunch of dorks but
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: when we get together and we find the things that
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: we both appreciate like you just.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: Dive in and yeah absolutely that's absolutely world it's it's
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's a very important then it's then it's not
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: uh consumerism it's culture if you can have a discussion
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: about it you know so you know, a really bad
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: movie is one where you really just don't really have
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: anything to say about, you know, even if it's a
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: bad movie, if you've got nothing really to talk about afterwards,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: then it is a disposable snicker bar. And so this,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: this movie is.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: Even better, like well-made movies, but just don't offer anything
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 3: different one way or the other. I'm just kind of like, yeah,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: it was good.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah. If, if, if the discussion was,
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: if the full discussion of the movie was, oh, that
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: was good. You know, like, like if it was like
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer movie, like, you know, that's good.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. They made a movie. All right.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: They sure did. And I really, I really forgot. I was, I,
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: I really, uh, was not thinking about my problems for
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: 90 minutes and it was loud. And then, but the day,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: and it was, I was, but I was glad to
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: be out of it. I was glad I was glad
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: to be there and I was glad when it was
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: over now I've got.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: Other things to do so I'm stopping this movie and
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: moving on with.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: My life right right but if that's your discussion of
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: the movie then you know it's not I don't know
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't say much for the movie but you know
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that we can sit and take this you
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: know crow remake and actually get something out of it
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: and actually have a real conversation about it I mean
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: for me you know that makes a good movie so.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah definitely So I don't curse your name for suggesting
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: this as a topic.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was very important.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: When I was walking into the theater, it was still
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 3: up in the air. But as it turns out, we
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 3: had a good episode and we saw a nice movie.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it, man.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: What more can you get out of life, you know?
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think this was good. I think it
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: was good.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, thank you for coming along on this journey.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: Thank you for listening out there. If anyone made it
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 3: through this, hopefully you appreciate this kind of geek talk too.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: So this is, this is what keeps us coming back.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: So that's it.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 3: All right. Good. All right. Otherwise that about does it.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: We will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: Bye y'all.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: As a crow flies.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: Strike to her.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 3: Why tell her something He has already.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 5: Done to her.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 7: Time flies as a crow flies in a straight line
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 7: through you not around you your life is only that
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 7: with which.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: Has its way with you.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 5: Hit the corner, weight the tail, pick the torer Rain, rain,
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 5: through the arms Swing blade, underwater Run!
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: Me!
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 3: Run!
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: Me!
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 3: Like go! Me! Yeah.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: Am I going to like, you know, is this going
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: to be like hallowed? This is going to like, Am
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: I going to dress up as... Am I going to
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: give myself a bad haircut?
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: Are you going to get Sharpie and draw a whole
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 3: bunch of weird ass tattoos on yourself?
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm probably not going to do that. I mean,
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 3: This Halloween is going to be such a letdown when
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 3: I don't see those photos.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody already looks like the crows.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 3: Except they have ears and a tail.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: The squirrel.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: The squirrel. I've got to get this going.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: If next time I see a picture of you, you're
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: wearing squirrel ears, I'm going like, oh, he's out.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 3: See, I'm not going to bother. I'm going to do
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 3: the crow style, so it's just me with a squirrel
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: on my shoulder as I'm walking around. I've got vengeance
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 3: on my mind, like always, and I'll just happen to
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 3: have a squirrel on my shoulder.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: You've got the marker, but it's drawn like the squirrel mouth.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: Just got little squirrel teeth.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: You got butt teeth.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: Just carrying an.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 3: Acorn around for no good reason.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: Carrying an acorn. Throw acorns at people. I don't know.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: Ha ha! Take that! My vengeance!
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous. Ridiculous. They're just like, oh God.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 3: There's that weird squirrel guy again. Stay away from him.
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