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wicked tea (& it's gay) · gasp! the pod

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  Look at my mug, it says don't talk to me unless I've had my
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  abortion until I've had my abortion.
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  So don't worry guys, I had my abortion today so we're good so
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  we can talk. Hey guys, welcome back to GASP
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  the Pod, the podcast for the gays, the girls, and especially
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  the gay girls. We talk about pop culture.
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  If you're new here, we talk about queer pop culture.
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  And this week, I'm really wanting to talk about Wicked
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  because Defying Gravity has been stuck in my head truly every
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  single moment of the last three days.
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  And happy 10th episode, guys. This is my 10th episode of this
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  podcast. It feels like it's been 2, but
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  it also feels like it's been 500.
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  If you've watched all 10, that's crazy.
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  So let me know if you've watched every single episode.
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  That would be so iconic of you and I love you and you're the
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  best. So maybe we'll make like if
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  everyone who's watched 10 episodes, maybe we'll make like
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  a special discord group for you guys 'cause you guys are the
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  real ones. And I just appreciate you guys
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  listening so much. It's been so fun and I want to
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  make this for what everyone else wants it to be.
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  So if you have a like topic or even if it's a very, very
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  specific thing you want me to talk about, just let me know and
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  I will literally make an episode on it.
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  So there you go. If you're not watching video,
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  I'm trying to give kind of Glenda right now.
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  Pink Mike, pink shirt, rainbow earrings.
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  Yeah, I'm back in New York. I was just in LA and if you
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  haven't watched my last episode, I did it with my friend Maddie.
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  It was very, very fun. We talked about like pretty much
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  secret gay kings of the entertainment world, like
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  Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Cruise, every motherfucker that everyone
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  assumes is straight but is not. Look at my mug.
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  It says don't talk to me unless I've had my abortion until I've
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  had my abortion. So don't worry guys, I had my
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  abortion today. So we're good so we can talk.
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  So there's so much tea that's going on with the Wicked movie.
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  If you guys have not been on social media, we're going to
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  cover all of it because not only is it just like Juicy and I
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  think giving this movie so much more PR and like making people
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  pay attention to it because every gay that I know right now
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  is talking about it. If you're not, you really need
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  to get hip. But yeah, I've got some hot
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  takes about everything that's going on.
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  Like, we're going to talk about the cast.
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  We're going to talk about Ethan Slater and Ariana Grande
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  SpongeBob. And what's really funny is when
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  I was, like, doing research, and research is a strong word for
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  what I was doing. But like, I just wanted to like,
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  you know, get some sort of basis of facts before I just, like,
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  started running my mouth. I was searching like because I
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  forgot Ethan Slater's name and I searched on Google.
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  I searched up like Ariana Grande and.
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  And first of all, he doesn't even come up for the first like
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  5 searches. But when he does come up, it's
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  not his name. It just says Ariana Grande and
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  SpongeBob. That is like not ideal if this
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  is like the love of your life. So yeah, we're going to be
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  talking about their Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arevos cry
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  fests, how they're crying and like every single interview they
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  do, which like real, but we can get into that.
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  Apparently there was maybe something traumatic that
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  happened when they were filming. We're going to talk about their
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  potential sapphic relationship. I don't even think that they're
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  in a sapphic relationship, but some people do.
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  And we're going to get into that.
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  And, like, so fair, we're going to talk about Cynthia Rivo and
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  the alleged rumor that she's dating Lena Waithe and that Lena
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  Waithe. Whatever.
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  We'll get into this. OK, It's some drama.
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  And then we're going to finally top it all off with bringing all
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  of this back to the themes of witches and lesbians and how
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  wicked. There's a huge theory that
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  Wicked is actually, like, just about two lesbians.
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  This is a big Wicked week. I'm pretty sure Wicked comes out
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  this Friday. Yeah.
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  So perfect timing. What I want to start off with is
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  what literally I've been seeing on the Internet all the time and
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  I honestly think that both sides are annoying to me.
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  And this is just about how much that Cynthia and Ariana Grande
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  are crying on every interview they're doing about Wicked two
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  sides about they're crying, right?
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  So there's some people that are like drama kids are so emotional
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  and, you know, they put so much hard work in tears.
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  This was their dream and they've been working so hard.
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  They're like tired and they're like not eating enough, which we
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  will get into and all this stuff.
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  And that's why they're crying. I think those are great reasons.
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  Then I'll tell you the opposite and then I'll tell you my hot
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  take, OK? The cons or the people that are
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  saying like this is bullshit are like it's literally just a
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  movie. Every single interview is
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  insane. The crying is kind of
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  ridiculous. Like talk about the movie.
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  I will say I started off with that group of people because I
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  was like, it is like so annoying it every single interview to be
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  crying like when someone asks one question and you're like is
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  just a lot to me. I am just like, tell me about
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  the movie. Like I feel like the entirety of
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  the PR on this movie has now just been there like emotional
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  release and they're not even saying anything about it.
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  They're just crying. So I'm like, I would love to
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  hear more about like if it's so emotional, I want to hear about
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  why it's so emotional. So that's kind of my thing.
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  And it's also just like, it's very much like I've always
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  wanted to do this. I've always wanted to do this.
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  And I'm like, I would love to hear about you talking about the
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  impact of the movie on other people.
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  So that was my take. And then I have changed my take
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  a little bit because I'm realizing like, and this is so
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  on me and normalize changing your opinion when you learn new
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  information. I started like actually watching
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  interviews with them instead of just like the clips that went
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  viral. And it's like there are most of
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  the interview they're talking about things.
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  So it's just that the media is just pushing out these crying
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  clips. I do think it's still too much
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  crying, but like, I don't know, work, I guess.
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  And then there's a lot of people that are saying like, OK, they
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  are actually really emotional about the filming of this
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  because there was like something traumatic that occurred while
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  filming. My theory is that I don't think
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  there's necessarily something traumatic, but I think they're
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  bonded because they're both cheaters.
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  Sorry. I think that they both went
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  through kind of tumultuous relationship stuff and both of
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  them kind of involved an element of cheating.
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  And that's kind of why they're like trauma bonded.
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  My other theory is that, like many have been saying, like
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  their weight has been concerning.
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  And I'm all about like, not commenting on people's bodies,
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  but I think it's fair to be concerned.
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  But I do think it's going too far, right?
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  Like we don't need to be like zooming in on pictures of their
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  bodies and like, talking about like, what specifically is not
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  OK. So yeah, I think it's fair to
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  have concern, especially like if you're a huge Ariana fan and you
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  are noticing that, you know, she seems like weaker and frail.
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  I think that's fair. I don't think we need to be
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  having like, all of these posts about it, right?
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  Like, there is too it. It can become too much and it
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  doesn't need to be the center of the film because I do think that
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  that's triggering for people. So like we, it's fair to bring
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  up concern. I, I don't love that now their
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  weight and they're crying has now become like the center of
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  what people are talking about when it comes to this movie.
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  Or at least that's just like what I'm seeing on my side of
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  the Internet. That's kind of why I've changed
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  my opinion about it a little bit.
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  Like that's so annoying that they're crying, but we don't
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  need that to take place of like this amazing movie.
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  There's some people that are saying, OK, it's coming off a
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  little narcissistic, but then when men say it, I'm like, EW,
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  OK, when queers and when women, when people of color are like,
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  OK, guys, I really want you to talk about the movie.
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  Like let's hear about something else.
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  Like let's not just hear about your story.
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  Like let's hear about what this movie is about.
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  So fair. And then when I hear men do it,
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  I'm like, it's just coming from a place of sexism and racism
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  and, you know, all the things. So I don't love this become the
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  center of the movie. But I do still think it's really
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  annoying that they've been crying.
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  And I think that those two things can exist at the same
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  time. They are the only two people in
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  the world who have, like, gone through this cheating
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  relationship right when this huge movie is about to come up.
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  And they're like, validating each other in their
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  cheatingness. And I want to like before I get
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  into both of their alleged relationship drama, I want to
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  add, of course, we don't know exactly what happened with both
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  of them. I don't think that this makes
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  them well, I take that back. I was going to say I don't think
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  this makes them bad people, but I do think if it is true about
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  Ariana, like I think that's crazy, but I'm Stan's of both of
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  them. I truly, truly love both of
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  them. If you guys haven't seen
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  Harriet, you should really see Harriet.
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  It's one of the best movies I've ever seen in my entire life.
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  Ariana, of course, I'm a huge stand, but it's T and we need to
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  talk about it. Just like with Taylor Swift.
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  I'm like the girl's a cheater a little bit.
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  I mean, she talks about it in her music.
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  OK, let's get into this. OK OK so this movie has started
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  to get crazy PR like a year ago because as we were seeing clips
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  of the set and the cast was being announced etcetera
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  etcetera, we hear that Ariana Grande is dating her Co star.
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  And the reason why this is so tea like let's truly be honest
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  here. The reason why this was such tea
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  is not even because she was married or that he was married
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  or that he had a baby. It was literally because he was
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  not as attractive as her other exes.
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  He is not what we think of a classic handsome beauty, OK.
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  And I do think that's what startled people.
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  It startled me. I was like him, really.
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  It's one thing to cheat. It's another thing to cheat for
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  like SpongeBob guys. And there's less evidence to
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  show that she's cheated on Dalton.
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  There's alleged affairs that Dalton.
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  So Dalton is Ariana's ex-husband and there's more evidence to
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  show that like he cheated on her.
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  So like I'm not even upset at her for like she can do whatever
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  she wants. Like if Dalton cheated on her
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  like you do you girl. My question is like why
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  SpongeBob? Right?
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  OK, so this is from Harper's Bazaar.
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  Here's the timeline. Let's get into the timeline.
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  September 18th, 2023, Ariana filed for divorce from Dalton.
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  OK, so remember that September 2023, this is like a little over
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  a year ago, two months after it's announced that Grande and
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  Gomez have quietly separated, She divorced him.
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  So it was like 2 months after they separated, kind of quick.
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  July 20th, 2023. So literally a few months before
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  they divorced, a source confirmed that Ariana and Ethan
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  are dating. So let's remember, the timeline
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  of this is kind of crazy, and it doesn't mean that this is the
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  truth, but it's puzzling, right? The fact that they were
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  confirmed to be dating before she was divorced is T, and it's
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  always going to be T. This is Hollywood, baby.
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  December 7th, 2022 Ethan joined the cast of the Wicked movie.
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  So literally only within six months of him even joining the
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  cast. Though this doesn't even mean
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  that they've even shot any scenes yet.
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  Six months later she's divorced and they're dating.
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  That's pretty crazy. Just gonna leave those facts
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  there, OK? This is what Billboard says a
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  few days after news of Spongebob's relationship with
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  Grande was surfaced, Slater filed to divorce his wife, Lily
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  Jay on July 26th, 2023, after five years of marriage. 5
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  Listen, we will get into what Lily Lily Jay said about this,
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  but there's no denying that this is when the news came out.
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  We don't know what actually happened between the two of
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  them, but I mean, the news of his relationship with Ariana
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  Grande came out before he was divorced.
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  That's not ideal. And it was a few days.
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  So it's kind of like, oh, he's like, oh fuck, I got a divorcer.
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  It's just it doesn't look great for SpongeBob.
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  Lily J, Ethan Slater's ex-wife. She told Page 6.
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  Now since this article has come out, there's been people saying,
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  wait, her words were taken out of context.
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  Lily J said my words were taken out of context.
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  I'm pretty pretty sure people are saying this is not the
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  narrative. So there's a lot of confusing
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  evidence out here. This is what I'm seeing from the
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  media. I did so much research and like,
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  this is the only thing I'm saying.
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  So we have no idea literally what actually happened between
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  the two. I'm just reading what I'm
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  saying. Doesn't mean that's what
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  happened. This is just allegedly what she
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  said and this is the quote that was given to Page 6.
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  Page Six said that Lily J said Ariana Grande is not a girl's
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  girl and that she said, quote, my family is just collateral
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  damage. And the reason why she said that
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  collateral damage is that she had a kid with SpongeBob guys.
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  Teen Vogue said the married couple welcomed their first
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  child, a son, in August 2022. So let's remember that literally
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  within less than a year of Ethan and his wife having a baby, they
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  filed for divorce and he's dating Ariana Grande.
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  Like, this baby is an infant still.
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  So even if there's no cheating, I think that's fucking insane.
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  And even if Lily J like that was misconstrued by page 6 and like
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  taken out of contacts which so fair because like the media can
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  be crazy. I wouldn't love Ariana Grande
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  even if they had like a mutual divorce.
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  But a lot of people are saying that Lily J had no idea that it
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  was coming and he had only met Ariana like a few months before
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  he started before he was like, OK, great marriage done.
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  It's just tea, you guys. So obviously that's taken over
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  the media. And what I do think is really
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  interesting, and I found this out truly like a week ago, is
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  Cynthia Arevo and her complicated relationship with
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  Lena Waithe. And the fact that both of the
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  stars of this movie have like, alleged cheating scandals is
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  interesting and I do think is adding to the controversy
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  surrounding like, giving this movie a lot of publicity.
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  And then also adds to their like, emotional trauma bonded
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  relationship that we're seeing because like, girls get it
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  together. I mean, like, be emotional or
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  whatever, but get it together. So Cynthia's queer.
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  She identifies as queer. Let me actually see if she
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  identifies as bisexual. She identifies as queer and she
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  identifies as bisexual. Me.
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  If you guys don't know who Lenawaith is, she's a very
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  famous queer comedian. And she was married to a woman
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  named Alana Mayo. They were married for two years,
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  but they had been dating for like years before that, right?
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  So they were married in 2019 and they divorced in 2021.
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  But it was like a short two years.
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  It wasn't like the full two years Cynthia and Lena have been
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  good friends and there was allegedly cheating that went on
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  between them two and like right after they were married.
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  So Cynthia and Lena were pictured together multiple times
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  during trips that Lena took without her wife.
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  And then like pretty much really quickly after these pictures
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  went out, like they separated and then like they got divorced.
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  So this all happened within two years.
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  They've been very quiet about the reasons why and like just a
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  quick fast divorce. Like doesn't look.
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  This doesn't surprise me about Lena Waithe.
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  I don't know, that's just like my opinion.
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  But Cynthia and Lena are now like pretty much dating, like
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  they haven't actually confirmed it, but they like do a lot of, I
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  don't know, red carpets together and stuff like that.
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  So they're definitely together. And now Alana, Lena's ex-wife,
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  has a male partner. And that's like so fair.
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  Like, listen, you're queer. You're by like date whoever you
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  want. But I do think that just kind of
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  like proves to me what happened in the relationship because I'm
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  like, OK, you were so scarred. You were like, fuck, I can't
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  even I'm like, I can only date man now.
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  That's how scarred you are that you need to date a man that's so
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  scary that you think men are going to hurt you less than your
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  ex-wife. That's like that's how you know
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  it was bad. That's how you know that there
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  was like cheating. So that's the team.
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  The fact that there are these rumors again, rumors of Cynthia
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  and Ariana and like, there's all this crying going on.
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  You girls need some therapy. The T around the casting and the
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  relationships and the PR and the promo of everything is capturing
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  all of our attention. But let's talk about the actual
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  like idea of the movie and if it's queer, because there's a
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  huge theory around this that the two witches are actually like in
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  a sapphic relationship. Let's get into it.
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  First of all, the Wizard of Oz, which is the movie, the story
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  that this is all based around is very queer.
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  I go into it a little bit more in episode 3 of this podcast in
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  the history of queer flagging. Go watch that episode if you
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  haven't already. But pretty much I talk about the
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  reasons why the queer community, excuse me, in the 30s and the
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  40s was like very attached to this film and felt that it was
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  very queer coded and in fact, like outright queer.
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  And since then we have have like very documented like gay
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  historical terms that have come out of this story, for example,
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  the cowardly lion, the yellow brick road used by Elton John.
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  What else? Oz is a very queer place.
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  Witches are queer. And I also talk about witches in
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  episode 6 of this podcast, which which you should definitely.
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  Watch before getting into the rest of this episode because I
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  really talk about like this shared culture of witches and
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  lesbians, which is like the same culture pretty much.
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  So it is just very interesting and striking that there's a
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  movie about two witches, like having this like really
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  emotional relationship together. That is also showed in Cynthia
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  and Ariana's like, promo of the movie too, right?
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  Like, they have this bond together.
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  There are some people that were saying, like, they have such a
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  traumatic bond together. They might have like, slept
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  together. Listen, Ariana, just because
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  she, like, looks straight doesn't mean she is straight.
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  She literally has a song where she says I like women and men.
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  And yeah, people are like, Oh my God, it was on someone else's
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  song. It doesn't matter.
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  She's always given me bisexual vibes.
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  She's always given me bye to me. Like she has a music video where
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  she wants to catch the girl in a pool.
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  So I would not put it past these crazy cheaters.
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  OK, sorry, we don't know if they're cheaters.
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  I apologize. I apologize.
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  And also everyone in Hollywood is like open.
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  We have no idea what happened. However, I wouldn't put it past
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  these ladies to also be sleeping together.
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  So would not put it past them. Witches are queer.
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  The Wizard of Oz is queer. The fact that Wicked is starring
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  to witches is like nail in the coffin lesbian to me.
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  So yeah, go ahead and watch my episode on witches.
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  I feel like that'll add a lot to this theory.
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  But so here's the main theory of how Wicked is actually like a
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  sapphic love story. So some fans interpret Alphaba.
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  So again, the two witches. If you if you don't already
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  know, Alphaba, Wicked Witch of the West and Glenda is the good
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  witch, the good witch of the South.
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  So these are two very different tropes.
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  And I do find it really interesting that like once pop
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  culture and like the early 20th century kind of started
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  accepting like witches is like almost Princess like right there
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  was like, OK, there's an idea of good witches and bad witches.
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  What's the good witch? The good witch is white.
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  The good witch is feminine and pretty and delicate and lovely
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  and kind, right? Just like me, you guys.
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  And supposedly straight. That was sarcastic.
• 22:37
  The bad witch. What is the evil witch?
• 22:40
  Who's the wicked witch, Right? She's green.
• 22:43
  That's also watch my previous episode on this racial right.
• 22:48
  They painted her green in order to like not make it so outright
• 22:52
  that she was like a woman of another race.
• 22:54
  But a lot of like enslaved women and people of women of color
• 22:57
  were accused of being witches because they were seen as more
• 22:59
  evil. So she's green.
• 23:02
  The Wicked Witch of the West is portrayed as like not
• 23:04
  stereotypically feminine and as pretty as Glenda from the makeup
• 23:09
  that they give her. She's seen as like evil and mean
• 23:12
  and like not sociable, right. She's queer.
• 23:17
  She's a queer evil person of color versus this feminine
• 23:23
  gorgeous white witch. So these are the two versions of
• 23:27
  witches that we see and like how society views. 1 is OK and the
• 23:32
  other one is not OK because they have so much more shared than
• 23:36
  they realize. Glinda is like trying to be
• 23:39
  liked by everyone, but really deep down she's a queer witch
• 23:42
  just like Alphaba, which I'm just like so obsessed with this
• 23:45
  idea that they're Saphix. So Alphabo's experience of being
• 23:49
  an outsider and facing prejudice is like really goes to show this
• 23:53
  parallel of the experience of many LGBTQ people.
• 23:57
  And also the song Define Gravity.
• 23:59
  There's a reason why it's so poignant and popular and also
• 24:03
  popular with the queer community.
• 24:05
  It's like, literally, I'm defying the expectations of what
• 24:09
  society wants from me. No wizard that there is or was
• 24:14
  almost like a God. I don't care what God thinks of
• 24:16
  me. Isn't that God?
• 24:19
  That wizard is never gonna bring me down.
• 24:21
  Chills. OK.
• 24:24
  And then just like the fact that Cynthia plays Alphaba and Ariana
• 24:27
  Grande plays Glinda, I think is really striking.
• 24:30
  Cynthia is this queer Black woman, and she's playing
• 24:34
  Alphaba, who's supposed to be like someone who people are
• 24:37
  scared of and people don't think she's attractive or feminine.
• 24:41
  And like, that's kind of like with the reality of what queer
• 24:45
  Black women have to go through, right?
• 24:47
  Like versus Ariana Grande, who was immediately accepted and
• 24:51
  looked like, Oh my God, gorgeous, pretty feminine pink.
• 24:54
  You're white, right? Like, I think that's really
• 24:57
  striking the casting of it. They have this like, shared
• 25:01
  connection. Cynthia definitely went through
• 25:03
  a very different rise to fame than like Ariana did, right?
• 25:07
  Obviously they both had hardship, but Cynthia is an out
• 25:09
  queer black woman. OK.
• 25:11
  It's very similar to alphabet story.
• 25:13
  Like, you're not accepted as like pretty and feminine right
• 25:16
  away if you're queer. And especially the racial
• 25:18
  implications of her being like a black woman like in this school
• 25:23
  and in this Society of Oz. I really think the casting was
• 25:27
  really wonderful. The fact that they that both of
• 25:29
  them were cast as these characters.
• 25:33
  And as we know, witches were obviously othered due to racist
• 25:37
  reasons as well. It's interesting that alphabet
• 25:40
  is the evil 1, but Ariana is the good one and they're both
• 25:46
  witches though, you know, so it's like a what kind of like
• 25:51
  witchcraft will we allow in our society?
• 25:55
  Only if we can like trust the white good pretty one, right and
• 26:00
  pretty with quotations just what society deems as pretty.
• 26:04
  So that's the queer reading of Wicked.
• 26:09
  And as much as I know that they're talking about the racial
• 26:13
  elements of this movie and how like the fact that Alphaba is
• 26:19
  also discriminate against because like she is not white,
• 26:22
  she's green, but like in real life, like obviously she's
• 26:25
  black. That is very much talked about.
• 26:29
  And like, the society has, like, so much racism, like, deep in
• 26:33
  it. That's obviously reflected in
• 26:35
  what we see in Oz. So I'm really glad they talked
• 26:37
  about this. And I think that's another
• 26:38
  reason why Cynthia is crying in a lot of these interviews is
• 26:43
  because these interviewers are, like, selected.
• 26:45
  They're being very emotional to, like, ask a really cool
• 26:48
  question. But do you need to be crying?
• 26:50
  I'm sorry. We're talking a lot about race,
• 26:52
  which I think is so important and a really crucial part of
• 26:55
  this film that I hope is snuck in.
• 26:58
  And a lot of this like wider audience, I guess doesn't really
• 27:01
  notice the larger mess. However, I also hope coupled
• 27:05
  with this that there is more talk about Wicked being very
• 27:11
  queer coded. And there was an interview
• 27:14
  recently where someone asked I think Ariana and Cynthia.
• 27:17
  And Ariana was like, well AUSA has always been gay.
• 27:20
  And I really appreciate that they said that like outright
• 27:23
  because that's not talked about enough like the Wizard of Oz is.
• 27:28
  And Wicked are literally like some of the most important, like
• 27:34
  stones that have built the foundation of queer culture
• 27:38
  today. And we do not talk about it
• 27:40
  enough. And just because there is not
• 27:42
  like a hard book of like gay facts of culture, doesn't mean
• 27:47
  it didn't build this framework of like what we see is queer pop
• 27:51
  culture today. So I hope more people talk about
• 27:54
  this. And when you watch it, which
• 27:56
  everyone should, this is not sponsored, obviously, because I
• 27:59
  don't think they would want me to be like tied with their
• 28:03
  movie. But when you watch it, like,
• 28:07
  think about these queer themes. And I'm really excited to see if
• 28:10
  it kind of stays true to what at least I saw on Broadway when I
• 28:15
  was little. And just this, like, romance
• 28:19
  between the two of them. Like, they don't want to let
• 28:22
  each other go. And they have this stronger
• 28:25
  relationship and realizing that they have this shared,
• 28:28
  unspeakable bond almost that like no one else in society
• 28:32
  understands. Guys.
• 28:34
  It's so gay. The other thing is, now that I'm
• 28:38
  thinking about it, I feel like the Wizard of Oz is like the gay
• 28:43
  brother to the lesbian sister that is Wicked, right?
• 28:47
  Like Wicked focuses on the women, and obviously we don't
• 28:50
  see Dorothy that much in this part of Wicked.
• 28:54
  And obviously the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy's the main character,
• 28:58
  but the gayness that came out of the Wizard of Oz was very
• 29:03
  focused on the Cowardly Lion and like being friends with these
• 29:07
  queers, these queer men. So I love that Wicked focuses on
• 29:13
  the witches and this just entire city of gay motherfuckers.
• 29:19
  And it's just so good. I'm really excited to see it.
• 29:22
  I hope that even though I just partook in it, I hope that the
• 29:27
  media dies down a little bit about like, their weight and
• 29:31
  their crying and talks about the movie more.
• 29:35
  And also like, these media companies who are doing these
• 29:39
  interviews need to be pushing out the right clips.
• 29:42
  Like, I had to dig to search for these interviews and actually
• 29:47
  get information about the movie that's not just them crying and
• 29:52
  being emotional and, like, holding hands in a fragile,
• 29:55
  like, emotional way because this movie is also about strength.
• 29:59
  And like, yes, crying is strong. I'm not saying that it's like,
• 30:02
  makes you weak at all. But I also just want to hear
• 30:05
  them talk about the power behind the movie as well.
• 30:08
  And I think that two of those things can exist.
• 30:10
  And I just need whoever's doing these interviews to, like, push
• 30:15
  out some of these other clips. Like, I want to hear about their
• 30:18
  experience filming the movie. Like, I don't want to just hear
• 30:22
  them and wipe each other's tears.
• 30:24
  I also hope I know everyone's been talking about the fact that
• 30:28
  it's kind of like the color is drained out of the movie a
• 30:31
  little bit. I'm hoping that's intentional.
• 30:34
  And from what I've been hearing from people that have seen it
• 30:38
  already, it seems like that that's an intentional choice.
• 30:41
  Like this movie is deeper than just like doing a classic,
• 30:45
  right? It's a movie that's reflecting
• 30:49
  the discrimination that goes on in our world.
• 30:51
  And I hope we like really be clear about that.
• 30:54
  At least creators, we talk about this more openly because it's so
• 30:59
  gay. It's so gay.
• 31:00
  What I'm hoping happens is that the movie gets like brighter and
• 31:04
  brighter as it goes on and kind of like shows their relationship
• 31:07
  gets stronger and queer and gayer, just like Taylor Swift's
• 31:10
  errors to her. So that's my theory also really
• 31:14
  quickly, just because like I love to tie everything back to
• 31:17
  Taylor Swift. The fact that Ariana and Cynthia
• 31:22
  made a point to say that Oz is gay is so important.
• 31:27
  And also it brings us back to Taylor Swift and all of the
• 31:30
  friend of Dorothea theories and how people can easily just be
• 31:35
  like, oh, the yellow brick road and Dorothy.
• 31:38
  That's not that has nothing to do with queer culture and these
• 31:41
  two very famous like leads of this movie.
• 31:45
  That's going to be one of the biggest grossing movies of our
• 31:48
  time. Hopefully our saying that Oz is
• 31:52
  gay is so important and I hope that we can hold multiple things
• 31:57
  at the same time. I hope that people on the
• 31:59
  Internet can be like, it's annoying that they're crying and
• 32:02
  also not take away like how amazing they are as actors and
• 32:07
  how amazing they are as public figures to be saying this
• 32:10
  outright and to be like talking about the larger themes in this
• 32:14
  movie instead of just kind of like sneaking it in.
• 32:17
  Like let's talk outright about what this movie means and how
• 32:22
  there are larger themes instead of just being like, Oh my gosh,
• 32:25
  froofy little musical. So fair.
• 32:28
  Like we can love musicals and be like, Oh my God.
• 32:30
  So like QQQ ha ha ha. They're emotional.
• 32:33
  He, he, he. And at the same time, talk about
• 32:37
  what this movie means for the world.
• 32:41
  So, yeah, they're public figures.
• 32:43
  We can talk about their personal lives, but that can't be all
• 32:46
  we're talking about. And I think the calls coming
• 32:49
  from inside the house right now. So maybe I'm just telling myself
• 32:53
  that. But also the fact that this
• 32:56
  movie is coming out like a very short while after the election
• 33:03
  is poignant. And I hope that there's
• 33:06
  conservatives and Trump supporters that like
• 33:08
  accidentally like this movie and maybe, I don't know, learn
• 33:12
  something about people. I don't know, man.
• 33:17
  Should we just talk about the election really quickly and then
• 33:19
  avoiding it? And I apologize if you've been
• 33:22
  here looking for me to talk about it, but there's really not
• 33:27
  much to say. It's hard because I feel very
• 33:31
  defeated and I feel like I have no hope for politics.
• 33:34
  But at the same time, I know that there is hope.
• 33:37
  So it's just like it's going to be a little bit of time before
• 33:41
  we're able to see a huge change. But that doesn't mean we don't
• 33:47
  have opportunities for small change that are going to like
• 33:50
  lead the groundwork for a woman president and a president that
• 33:53
  doesn't hate us and a Supreme Court that won't take away all
• 33:57
  of our rights. Like we will get everything
• 34:02
  back. We will get our rights back.
• 34:05
  We will get more rights. We will survive.
• 34:09
  It just is going to take a lot longer.
• 34:11
  And for anyone that's like not doing great out there, I
• 34:14
  recommend like, watching documentaries about like the
• 34:17
  civil rights movement, the women's suffrage movement, like
• 34:21
  the queer movement, because it's made me realize like, OK, it
• 34:25
  takes a lot of building blocks. It's not going to be overnight.
• 34:29
  And that doesn't mean it's like not worth it to fight for what
• 34:33
  we believe in, but it's fair to take a little time off.
• 34:38
  So I've just been not really thinking about, like, concretely
• 34:42
  politics, but I've just been kind of like watching
• 34:46
  documentaries and mourning and feeling my feelings.
• 34:50
  So I recommend you do the same. But like, we have hope.
• 34:54
  It's just not going to be overnight.
• 34:55
  It's not going to be a year or two.
• 34:58
  It's going to take a little bit of time, but that's just been
• 35:00
  happening throughout all of history.
• 35:02
  And unfortunately it has to be us to do it, which fucking
• 35:06
  sucks. And for anyone that's about to
• 35:08
  go home to Thanksgiving and see homophobic family, I feel you.
• 35:13
  I hear you and I'm in the same boat and I'm trying to figure
• 35:15
  out what I want to do. It's OK to focus on yourself
• 35:20
  this year. If you don't feel like being
• 35:21
  around Trump supporters and people that don't vote for your
• 35:27
  rights, so do you. It's OK to prioritize that.
• 35:31
  I saw this really funny tweet the other day that was like huge
• 35:35
  news for girls with empathy. And it was like that old guy
• 35:40
  that you're crying about seeing, like him have like a cup of
• 35:44
  coffee by himself in a coffee shop.
• 35:47
  He probably voted against you so you don't even feel bad about
• 35:49
  it. And actually that made me feel a
• 35:50
  lot better. I was like, OK, right.
• 35:52
  Like I don't, we can't have all the empathy in the world.
• 35:56
  We can't do everything. Sometimes other people need to
• 36:00
  step up and be good people. So it's like we can just focus
• 36:04
  on ourselves, focus on our movement.
• 36:06
  We will try to do our best, but we also cannot control other
• 36:10
  people. And we don't need to be feeling
• 36:13
  sick about having this much empathy for other people if they
• 36:17
  don't even think we should have rights.
• 36:18
  And that's kind of like what I'm learning.
• 36:20
  And it's like hardening my soul a little bit, but it's kind of
• 36:23
  like what needs to to happen because we need to have these
• 36:26
  tough conversations because like these people are not meeting us
• 36:29
  with love. And I don't mean to meet them
• 36:31
  with hatred. I mean to like meet them with
• 36:33
  like reality. They hate us.
• 36:36
  I don't think we should hate them back, but I'm definitely
• 36:39
  not going to love blindly anymore.
• 36:42
  And I think that that should spur momentum a little bit,
• 36:47
  Like, oh, shit, I voted for Trump.
• 36:51
  And like, yeah, like, I'm gay. Like maybe I don't want to be
• 36:56
  around you if you're like, oh, I voted for Trump and you don't
• 37:00
  want to be around me. It's like, maybe not.
• 37:02
  Like hopefully this should spur a little bit of a wake up call.
• 37:06
  It's kind of like these straight girls doing this 4B movement,
• 37:09
  like literally go off girlies. Like, yes, men need to realize,
• 37:13
  like, you don't just get free sex if you're going to vote
• 37:16
  against our reproductive rights, OK?
• 37:18
  Like wake up call. So anyways, there's a lot of
• 37:21
  ways to go through this. Every way is fair for you to go
• 37:25
  through. Like accepting Trump won doesn't
• 37:28
  mean that we're all going to die.
• 37:31
  Obviously it means more people are going to suffer than if
• 37:35
  Kamala was president. But the huge benefit is we have
• 37:40
  social media and we have community and we have a way to
• 37:44
  connect with people, even if we live so far away from each other
• 37:49
  that I was kind of thinking about this.
• 37:51
  People did not have like 50 years ago going through these
• 37:54
  movements. They felt very alone.
• 37:56
  So the fact that we still have these spaces, we will always
• 38:00
  have these spaces. Even if we have to create AVPN
• 38:02
  to fucking find other queer people, we will still be able
• 38:07
  to, like, have this community. So that's the silver lining I'm
• 38:11
  thinking about. I'm sure my thoughts and
• 38:14
  everything might change. Like maybe I'm going to have
• 38:15
  more empathy for people in a little bit.
• 38:17
  I don't know. But right now I'm just feeling a
• 38:18
  lot of anger. And I think that's very fair for
• 38:21
  anyone to feel right now. So that's kind of how I'm
• 38:25
  feeling. It's just a lot.
• 38:27
  So be nice to yourself. We need you to stay alive.
• 38:31
  And it feels so hard right now, but we have each other.
• 38:35
  Yeah. And go see Wicked because it's
• 38:36
  going to be really gay. And I'm just really excited
• 38:40
  about it. And I think, like, hopefully
• 38:43
  it'll be like an uplifting message of hope because Lord
• 38:47
  knows we need that shit. So yeah, I started out this
• 38:50
  episode very joyful. And then I remembered that Trump
• 38:52
  got elected and I got very sad. I'm sure you guys could
• 38:55
  literally see my energy drain. So I try to stay in denial, I
• 39:00
  try to only think about pop culture and Taylor Swift and it
• 39:03
  really works. Oh my God, I forgot what I was
• 39:05
  going to say. The fact that Taylor Swift talks
• 39:08
  about Wizard of Oz references so much is literally queer and
• 39:13
  literally the movie of Wicked just shows that Oz is gay, so
• 39:19
  there's no way to argue against it.
• 39:21
  Next week I have an episode that I'm going to do about the end of
• 39:25
  the Errors tour. I literally cannot believe it.
• 39:28
  We are going to be talking about our theories, perhaps karma,
• 39:31
  what's going to happen, her coming out.
• 39:33
  It's going to be juicy, so stay tuned.
• 39:36
  Also per usual, Please remember to subscribe on YouTube and rate
• 39:42
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• 39:45
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• 39:50
  appreciate you guys watching and listening because this is 10
• 39:53
  episodes in and I can't believe I've already made 10 episodes.
• 39:56
  I'm just really happy you guys are here and let me know if you
• 39:58
  guys have any thoughts, any suggestions, any episode ideas?
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• 40:06
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• 40:09
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• 40:11
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• 40:13
  Bye guys. Enjoy Wicked.