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Matthew Bok | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #82 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  It's another episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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  But are you subscribed? If not make sure to like, share
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  and subscribe, spread the word about the Christian Reef podcast
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  and enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to another
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  episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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  Today's guest is a podcaster author, comedian project
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  manager, not just names. A few of the things they
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  destroyed us. His name is Matthew Bock.
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  Welcome to the show. Matthew, how you doing?
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  I don't really go, give myself a little bit of Applause here.
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  That's brilliant. I'm not going to do some clips
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  throughout. I mean, I just, I have it.
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  That's one of the ones that's built into the board that I
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  have. So I just figured out, throw it
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  in there. Go nuts.
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  I love it. It's the first time I've had
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  anything on my podcast like that.
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  Like there's a lot. I want to do with this podcast.
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  Moving forward, I have many ideas for it, what it could be
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  and everything in the future and it's just nice to hear something
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  a bit like you've been doing this for probably about six
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  months. Give or take, since let me see,
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  July, 20, 20, I believe, okay, because you've been doing it
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  less time than me, and you have more more shows than I do.
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  Do because you seem to do this show like every 23 days that
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  seems to be the case that you're going on.
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  Yeah it depends. I mean what I do every month is
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  I kind of schedule a bunch of episodes for the upcoming month
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  and you know, it really depends on the demand.
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  Sometimes there's a lot sometimes there's less I get
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  people reaching out to me, that's the thing.
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  Since I started the podcast, there's been more demand,
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  there's been more messages, it's been slowly growing, and I think
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  that's why And because we're in this growth stage, I'm like,
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  well, I've got all this time. Why wouldn't I take all these
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  podcasts on? I know it seems like a lot, but
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  it's like, why wouldn't I do not?
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  I mean, yeah, but you're also, I mean, I think most of yours are
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  somewhere in like the 45-minute to our range.
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  You don't have any of the, like, the longer form ones.
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  You have some that bleed into an hour and a half.
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  I think I saw one that was over two hours that seemed to be kind
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  of your threshold. I don't know where you're
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  getting that from most. I was just looking at the top
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  ones are on your I was going through YouTube, I wasn't
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  actually going through my cock podcast catch her.
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  Ya know, the average these days is about two hours.
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  That's that's what I'm averaging.
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  There's some three hour course Odes, but I'm trying to kind of
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  keep it between that hour and a half to two hour.
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  Might I aim for that but I mean I always just let the
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  conversation go, where it goes. I tried to pay attention to
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  things. Like how tired I am?
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  I tired. Is the guest what the times.
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  Different is conscientious of how much time I guess actually
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  has how much time have, you know, all of these different
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  things. So yeah, my podcast co-host that
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  I have is, is a buddy of mine from high school so I don't care
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  how much I inconvenience him. Because, you know, that's his
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  problem and he's the one that wanted to start it.
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  And you talk about, you know, 90 minutes is kind of that sweet
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  spot that you're looking for. Yeah, when we first started that
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  was the goal is we wanted to have Have somewhere around that
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  you know our 15 hour 30 minutes was going to be what our podcast
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  length was. Our average is 247 in our
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  longest was for 45 hours. Thats knots.
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  Yeah, it was it was our Thanksgiving episode that we did
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  and we brought on a guest, it was one of only two times.
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  We've had a guest and our podcast is about 80s movies, and
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  right? Yeah, it's so what's the name of
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  the book cost? It's right up here.
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  Betamax rewind with Matt and Doug betamax rewind.
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  Yeah and it is I can tell you about kind of how it all came to
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  be. Before I get to that talking
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  about the Thanksgiving one is we brought on a guest because It
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  was a Thanksgiving things, we did a Thanksgiving themed movie,
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  we did Gremlins and and our maybe that was Chris.
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  I don't remember I was pretty drunk by the end of it, but with
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  our guests that we brought on with someone that we had both
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  dated in high school. Oh.
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  So it was it was an interesting podcasts like could sounds
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  really hook, you know, we're all married and we all live in
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  different foods now, so it's not that big of a deal.
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  But what happened was, obviously we're in were in covid.
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  Still, I'm coming around the other end, I've gotten my first
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  First shot. I'm getting my second shot in a
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  couple weeks. Hey, same.
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  But what, which one did you get fisa?
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  Yeah, I got moderna. You have any after-effects?
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  Anything hurt afterwards? My all makes for like two days
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  but other than that was fine. Yeah, I got it in my
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  non-dominant arm because exciting sake, I need to use my
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  right arm that I should just use the one.
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  I don't use the next day, my arm, I could not lift it above
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  my shoulder. And I had yesterday in the
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  following day and I'm thinking, this might be a problem, but
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  fortunately, I'm terrible at hockey to start with.
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  So it doesn't really make that big of a difference, but in May,
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  once kind of covid had really started locking everything down.
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  I got a text from my friend and this is a guy that I go on a
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  yearly canoeing trip to his land up in northern Wisconsin which
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  is about 10 hours north of here and I never get texts from this
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  guy and the only time I ever get texts from him is usually hey,
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  the camping up is going to be this weekend or somebody died.
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  Those are the two reasons I ever get texts from him and he said,
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  hey, do you want to start a podcast?
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  And I'm like, sure. Just tell me where I need to be,
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  what I need to do. I'm in.
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  He said, no, no, no, I need you to do all that nerd.
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  Crap. I don't understand all that
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  stuff. You have to set it all up.
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  Do all the work? I just have to show off.
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  So that's how that worked. And but I'm guessing that he has
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  something to offer as far as like his presentational skills
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  or something, you know. He's an interesting guy and
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  we've been friends for so long that we have a great back and
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  forth, we have a very you know a good relationship and we have a
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  good app inflow in our conversation we have a lot of
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  the same history and knowledge and hobbies both grew up in the
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  70s and 80s, both Big Star Wars fans which is why we picked 80s
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  movies is as kind of like the, you know, the genre that we were
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  going to talk about. So this podcast is also a About
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  your life, kind of grown up in was cost.
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  Wisconsin. Sorry.
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  Yes, that's right. So, yeah, tell us a little bit
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  more about the show like what are the kind of things that you
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  aim for the show and what you really trying to achieve with
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  this podcast? Well, the goals so, you know,
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  you mentioned kind of like, my CV or the equivalent and trying
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  to use some of these British terms.
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  So I apologize when I absolutely get them wrong.
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  Visit me. Yeah, exactly.
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  It was a French word is curriculum vitae or something?
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  Yes. Yeah, but I just know.
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  I've watched enough British television to know it's Evie,
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  and I do sometimes use that in conversation at work.
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  Just to confuse people, but I'll do you.
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  So, you guys don't say CV, then you say, resume resume, is what
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  we say? Yeah.
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  And I'm sorry, I totally forgot. The question was about what the
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  podcast is. So originally, it was just going
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  to be about 80s movies and then we, Evolved it to be, you know,
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  we have seven or eight distinct little segments throughout it.
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  And the first one is just what we call housekeeping.
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  And that is basically going over what we screwed up or what we
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  missed in the last podcast is basically a lot of chucking each
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  other under the boss of you know, you screwed this up or we
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  couldn't remember this actor's name or things like that and
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  then it is just what's going on in your life and we both are
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  married. We both have kids, my kids are
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  older. Has my wife is older than his I
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  think he married you know like an 18 year old or something
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  ridiculous like that. And I'm just saying that because
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  I know it'll little tweak them a little bit because his wife is a
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  lot younger than him and then we have like different drinks every
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  show. So we talked about like, what
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  we're drinking and that actually has become a problem or at least
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  there's a problem. The last podcast we did because
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  I for some reason thought I was a good idea to drink a fifth and
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  several other things during the course of drinks.
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  Oh yeah. And it was, I haven't been able
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  to listen to the whole thing yet because at the at the end of it,
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  it's so bad. Good luck at it in that buddy,
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  I'm barely comprehensible as far as well.
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  That's Empower bed. In least you can edit out
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  anything that's goes too far suppose.
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  Yeah. And at first it was really like
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  this long arduous process because it was trying to take
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  out the silences, trying to take out the hums, as all, that kind
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  of stuff and I realized that It was taking me one and a half
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  times, whatever the podcast length was to edit it.
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  Mmm. And when you have a to our
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  podcast, you're sitting at, you know, five hours to edit it, and
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  we got to a point where now, the only thing we really ever edited
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  out is if we say something stupid, we completely screw up.
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  I play the wrong sound, clip or for potty, breaks.
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  That's, that's about it. It's interesting.
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  I don't generally tend to edit minor lot, other than of circlip
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  everything up. I have had One or two instances
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  where I had to remove out a bunch of glitches where like the
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  person I was interviewing had like that internet and it just
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  made it unlistenable. But other than that, I like to
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  keep it relatively unedited because it's like conversation
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  or years. I don't know.
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  I kind of like that in a way. Yeah, it makes it real.
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  It's yeah. It's not manufactured.
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  It is works. And all what actually happened
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  during that conversation, but it's interesting because it's
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  like a different style, wasn't because there's a lot of people
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  that It in I suppose as you said that manufactured way and it
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  comes across very good, you know.
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  I like that too. I like it.
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  When a show has, you know, like yours.
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  For example, it's got segments, it's got these little things
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  here. It's that makes it enjoyable
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  because I don't know. Maybe you, you look forward to a
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  particular part of that show each time or you know you look
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  out for that each time or whatever the case may be.
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  So yeah, I mean it's just preference I suppose at this
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  stage. Yeah.
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  But the thing that I've found that's pretty cool is You know,
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  you have an association with things from your childhood.
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  You grew up in a particular era, you remember things through the
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  lens of your childhood. Mmm.
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  And there's also, I'm sure you watch TV.
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  I'm sure you watch movies and I'm shit.
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  You think I'm sorry? This will be.
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  This is controversial for anyone from the UK that listens, but I
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  stopped watching. TV in light, probably the late
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  2010's, because, to be honest, I don't know.
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  It just stopped being good, but occasionally, they'll be a good
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  drama. The BBC, puts on some good.
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  Dramas usually like period stuff, which is pretty good.
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  Occasionally, you'll get some sort of like detective show or
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  something. That's pretty good.
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  But other than that there's a lot of rubbish.
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  But to be honest I'm tending to lean more towards streaming
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  services. You know HBO series Netflix.
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  That's, that's where the good stuff seems to be and I'm a
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  massive nerd. So inevitably The Marvel and
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  Disney and all that. It seems to what if you're a
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  massive nerd in your from the UK.
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  I gotta ask the the Big Nerd question for the UK, were you,
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  are you a doctor who fan? I was, yeah, big big time, Big
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  Time. So, I grew up.
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  And in my childhood, I met Tom Baker.
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  I'm at Patrick troughton, Peter Davison, I met, Colin Baker,
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  classic pictures of You with all these guys.
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  And this was when I was at framed on your rule on that.
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  No, actually, this is more of a sports are oriented Roman.
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  Now, most of the autograph stuff I have signed is actually from
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  reality stars, I'm big into like Survivor, but the I was big into
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  that when I was in 7th and 8th grade and I'd go to these
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  conventions and I came to a point where I realized that if I
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  ever wanted to see a woman naked in real life, Laughs.
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  I needed to hide that part of me away.
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  So I kind of berries that you say that, and I forget now it's
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  different. No, no, no, yes, rule the world
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  and, you know, marvel is cool. If Marvel had been around in my
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  childhood, it would have not been a billion-dollar, a movie
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  franchise. You know, what I realize is was
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  all the women. I seem to be interested in,
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  like, never go outside and seemingly neither, do I bunch of
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  the time? Like, cause you're a nerd.
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  You spend most of Time consuming content at home gaming watching
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  staff, you know, playing music, whatever like me as a content
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  creator. I'm constantly working and doing
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  things. And I think if I would ever meet
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  a woman, we would have to be similar-minded in that sense.
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  And now you don't want that you want, you want you want a woman
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  that you're gonna be with long-term to be so, completely
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  different than you? And I say that, just from my own
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  personal experience with my wife, we've been married almost
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  20 years. It'll be 20 years, and Two
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  months or something. Like I promised congrats.
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  But thank you. And she could not be more
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  different than me. She's attractive.
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  I'm a goblin. She is very, very outgoing.
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  She is she loves to be around people covid for me hasn't been
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  that big of an impact other than working from home as opposed to
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  going into an office because I am very very comfortable just
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  being at home and not going out and she's not that way.
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  Oh Okay. But back to the original
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  question or the original seam and I was making about, you have
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  kind of this lens that you view these things from your childhood
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  through and as we're going back through these 80s movies,
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  there's been a couple movies that I loved and I would have
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  bet the farm on. I'm going to like this movie
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  watching it again but you know if like take Top Gun, for
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  example, this is one that I actually like when we watched it
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  Top Gun is a movie that you can have on in the background for
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  me, Me and I don't need to pay attention to it because I know
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  the Beats, I know the character arcs, I know everything that's
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  going to happen but as you're doing the podcast you have to
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  take notes and pause and you know try to figure out okay this
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  is connected here how and so it was it's your actively watching
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  it as opposed to passively watching it and there's been a
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  couple of films like purple rain and purple.
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  Rain was the biggest one and Rocky actually Rocky for Rocky
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  for is such a Will film. And I love that movie going in
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  and watching it. I was amazed at how terrible is
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  and it's, it's actually I don't even know if it's debatable that
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  it's terrible because it's only 90 minutes long of the 90
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  minutes, almost 10 minutes of that is credits, 10 minutes is
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  flashbacks in about 15 minutes is montages.
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  So there's only about an hour of actual content in this movie and
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  it's so bad. What makes it It so bad.
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  Is it just like a lack of storyline or something or bad
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  character acting or it's it's put together so poorly.
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  And there are, there are movies that were Blockbusters Batman,
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  the first Batman with Michael Keaton.
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  So many think, it's unwatchable, a bad.
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  It's very hard disagree with that, but go back and watch it
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  with a critical eye. Michael Keaton is great as the
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  character, but the movie itself the way it is.
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  Put together is so am I And I realized that was Tim Burton's
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  first, really big film. It was kind of his style that I
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  like I get where you're coming from but he's got that kind of
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  like It's a unique style of making me, I don't know.
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  I got a disc because it's supposed to be a cartoonish
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  Style Batman, but it's supposed to be dark.
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  It's supposed to be like, taking the are the kind of comical
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  elements of the 60s TV show but then actually making it sort of
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  somewhat faithful and true to the comics and I feel like it
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  makes a kind of a good kind of amalgamation of that plus, you
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  know, it was It wasn't the 90s was it, but it was like an 80s.
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  It was 89 89 near 88, right? So it kind of almost encapsulate
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  that kind of Darker like heading into the night is kind of vibe.
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  Like I feel like if you consider it at night is movie, it kind of
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  fits in very nicely with the Aesthetics of that time.
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  Sure. And what I mean, you look at the
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  evolution of the Batman films not including the Adam West one,
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  you know, the band pal one. But you have your bath, I got
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  they made a movie, didn't they? Yeah.
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  I think that's the one where the shark repellent comes in.
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  But God, love you. Have Batman and Batman Returns
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  with Michael Keaton in Batman Returns is actually a better
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  film of the two of them. Then you have the terrible Val.
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  Kilmer one, you had. That is, I can remember the name
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  of that one, but then you have Batman and Robin with George
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  Clooney, which is unbelievably bad and then that, but they
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  pose. That's why they and the credit
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  card, it killed the franchise for until a Christian Bale came
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  in and Christian Bale did a great job with his three movies.
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  He's and then you know Ben Affleck took up the cowl with
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  flick flick. Batman versus Superman and then
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  Justice League and now Justin Justice League, this Snyder cut.
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  And now there is a new Batman that's coming out with a guy
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  from Twilight, Robert Pattinson and it looks amazing and it
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  looks amazingly dark and one of the big dings on the DC Universe
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  is that it is like grimdark that's the way a lot of people
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  describe it and I don't, but I don't mind that, it's not
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  everything has to be super happy and light and one of the things,
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  one of the issues Took with the MCU is you look at a film like
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  the Avengers and they're so the stakes are not there for most of
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  it, if course, half of them die and, you know, Infinity War.
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  But other than that they're in no danger.
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  There are fighting the shield and not a single.
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  One of them has a care in the world and they're joking around.
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  There's no Stakes there. I agree.
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  I have to say, like, I love the Marvel movies and they're fun.
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  But when, yeah, when you look at it like that, like you never
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  really Really do feel like there's a genuine for I mean, I
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  don't know. I felt like sign-offs was a
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  legit bad guy. He did present a fret.
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  I like the fact that they killed off some characters in that in
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  endgame. I like that.
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  That's good stick by your decision and I will say this
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  moving forward as well. I do not want to see Iron Man
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  and Captain America back in it, not because I don't want to see
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  them again. That would be awesome but the
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  way that they ended those character arcs I think is And I
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  think if they would do anything with that, it would it would
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  kind of Ruin what they did win and game, you know what I mean?
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  And I feel like this is a problem that exists in a lot of
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  arc's in bringing spark back and Star Trek 3.
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  Yeah, you just not necessary to break constantly bring
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  characters but I don't understand why it's difficult to
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  kill off a big character but like sometimes you got to do it
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  like they did enough with Iron Man and Captain America and
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  stuff and I think the only way you can bring those characters
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  back in some way, is if they do it via this Multiverse thing,
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  they're talking about, but then they need to be different
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  characters gentleman. So if it's like a, they do the
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  Captain America thing they should do.
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  Like a, you know, isn't there like a Nancy version in the
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  comics? I seem to be yeah there.
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  Yeah, in the Multiverse opens it up to.
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  It's like the Mirror Universe. Yeah.
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  It's different versions and there's Limitless possibilities
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  and right, I just wonder How much people will accept those
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  alternate versions and will, they will, if the characters
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  different, like, if the Tony Stark character, for instance,
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  is drastically different in some way, like, obviously and the
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  Nazi version of Captain America would be dis different by
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  Nature, like you'd have to play that differently.
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  But it would be interesting to see what they would do with with
• 20:30
  the Tony Stark, Iron Man, character in a different way,
• 20:33
  there's different obviously things they can use from the
• 20:35
  comics, but, you know, he's actually got a play that
• 20:38
  different and to be honest base, Ston?
• 20:40
  What I've heard Robert Downey jr.
• 20:41
  Talked about when he talks about the role, it sounds that like
• 20:45
  sure. Yeah, you know, money is a big
• 20:47
  factor in this, but I think creatively, it's got to be
• 20:49
  interesting for him that he's done the role for like what is
• 20:53
  it, like, 12 years or something, you know?
• 20:55
  So I would think it's probably longer than that, and I don't
• 20:58
  know. I mean, because there was the
• 20:59
  three Iron Man movies that we're 2008, was the first one.
• 21:03
  So first one. Okay.
• 21:04
  Yeah. And when he appeared on Joe
• 21:05
  Rogan, I think it was like 20, 20, 20, 19.
• 21:08
  So it's roughly about 12 years of Point give or take.
• 21:11
  Yeah, I and I am shocked with how well the MCU turned out
• 21:18
  because I did not know who Iron Man was going in.
• 21:23
  I knew Robert Downey jr. Was but Iron Man at best was a
• 21:28
  second tier character. If I had to pick one from that
• 21:32
  group, as someone who's not a huge Comic Book Guy, it would
• 21:35
  have been Captain America or the Hulk and obviously, they tried
• 21:39
  to Do the Hulk a bunch of different times.
• 21:41
  They killed the Hulk varying degrees of success.
• 21:45
  Yeah, they killed the hope the first two times.
• 21:50
  I just wish this weird because it wasn't all that bad.
• 21:53
  Like I remember watching the 2003 whole, can I thought it was
• 21:55
  ambitious, but it just didn't feel like, what the Hulk should
• 22:00
  be. It's a John, Woo, one with Eric
• 22:03
  back and yeah, Eric batter. Yeah, and then because it was
• 22:07
  Banner, then Norton. And then Okay, yeah, so and this
• 22:12
  is a lot of what my podcast is is trying to do that that pull
• 22:16
  of the names from what was his name, what?
• 22:19
  Yeah, exactly. It's like, I'm Googling here on
• 22:21
  the side and you hear a little Clique lack of the keyboard but
• 22:24
  I actually had so in research to get ready for this as little as
• 22:29
  I possibly could do in be somewhat prepped.
• 22:32
  I looked through like the the stuff I could find on you,
• 22:35
  obviously I saw that you were stalking me on LinkedIn.
• 22:38
  It's like, is this, you know that's that's Different, Matthew
• 22:40
  Bach. There's a several of them and
• 22:42
  I'm friends. Well, I'm on Facebook.
• 22:44
  The reason I did that is because you mentioned that you have a
• 22:48
  history and TV news. And here's the weird thing.
• 22:51
  What, obviously, we'll get to this after you've made your
• 22:53
  point, but like the other guy that I searched the other
• 22:56
  Matthew Bach also happens to be in TV news.
• 23:00
  It's a journalist, is that what the chances but you have a quite
• 23:06
  impressive array of talents, I know, Music and acting and
• 23:12
  modeling and all these different things.
• 23:14
  I think you have a bunch of monologues that you have as long
• 23:18
  as on your YouTube channel, as well, as a bunch of musical
• 23:21
  things. I'm shocked that you do not have
• 23:22
  some kind of canned intro. I did I did have one the someone
• 23:29
  designed for me but I think, like I've been the reason I got
• 23:36
  rid of it was because there was like, a copyright claim that I
• 23:39
  would receive every time because there was like, one particular
• 23:42
  Loop that was used in it that okay, YouTube was like, oh,
• 23:45
  that's a copyright issue. So, I just got rid of it and
• 23:47
  then I never really thought about it.
• 23:48
  Like the only thing I've added recently is a CTA via a video,
• 23:54
  which I add to the beginning of every podcast and usually at the
• 23:59
  end of videos or sometimes at the beginning, which says like,
• 24:02
  oh, hey, please subscribe if you like this.
• 24:04
  But be sure. But other than that yeah,
• 24:07
  haven't done like a signature thing.
• 24:08
  To be honest, I think that has kind of passed.
• 24:12
  There was a time on YouTube where I think in that sort of
• 24:15
  mid-2010 swear that that was very prevalent and everyone had
• 24:18
  like an intro. But these days it's kind of
• 24:20
  annoying. And like, with the way that
• 24:22
  media is these days. If you look at things like
• 24:24
  Tick-Tock Instagram reels, like, oh yeah, everyone wants
• 24:27
  short-form content, even YouTube is doing it via YouTube shorts.
• 24:31
  So everything even your long form content, Point needs to be
• 24:36
  to the point, you know, like for instance if I put a clip up from
• 24:39
  the podcast and it says, I don't know, let's say it's you
• 24:42
  answering the question right turn.
• 24:45
  I can't put too much time at the beginning of the clip before you
• 24:51
  answer the question because people will get bored there,
• 24:53
  click off. So it's and it's okay if it's
• 24:57
  providing context, you know, to, you know, where it leads to
• 25:01
  that. But if it's just loads, because
• 25:03
  somebody I've seen this This is clickbait they'll have like a 10
• 25:06
  minute clip and then the the thing is only addressed in like
• 25:10
  the seventh or eighth minute of the clip or sometimes what even
• 25:14
  get sort of answered till the very end and it'll be like a
• 25:16
  very like brief. Like they just mention it for
• 25:18
  five seconds and that's like you can't cheat your audience like
• 25:21
  that, especially these days like that that kind of punishment of
• 25:26
  your audience will just put people off.
• 25:27
  Like, you need to always deliver what you say you're going to
• 25:30
  deliver. Yeah, I look for Creative
• 25:33
  Commons 0. License.
• 25:35
  Oh yeah, it's ones that it's songs that are freely available.
• 25:39
  Yeah. But they're owed, you don't have
• 25:41
  to crash. Actually, you have to, you have
• 25:44
  to search. I mean, a lot of it is not
• 25:45
  great, but I found I found a theme that I like for that, I
• 25:49
  use for ours and it's a bar or two.
• 25:52
  Not, it's not very long. And then we have we have an
• 25:55
  intro in. There are intro is different
• 25:56
  every week. Okay.
• 25:58
  And we have the voice of the podcast which is just my wife
• 26:02
  and it's usually something ripping.
• 26:04
  On the two of us that something that we did last week, our in
• 26:08
  whoever's week, it is because we switch off weeks, it'll be my
• 26:10
  week to pick a movie, his week to pick a movie.
• 26:12
  So we switch off and whoever's week.
• 26:13
  It is there. The person who writes the intro
• 26:16
  and it is, welcome to betamax rewind.
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  The only podcast that blank Here are two guys that blank met in
• 26:26
  Duck. So it's filling in those blanks.
• 26:28
  That is what we do each week. So like with the actual setup of
• 26:33
  it, though, you mentioned like watching movies?
• 26:34
  Do you watch the movies in real time and review them?
• 26:37
  Or do you watch them beforehand and kind of watch them
• 26:40
  beforehand? And, and it is a, it is a lot
• 26:46
  of, depending on the movie, the movie we did this week,
• 26:50
  honestly, or the movie we're doing, we're actually doing our
• 26:53
  Tomorrow, it is literally when the worst movies I've ever seen
• 26:58
  easily in the top five worst films I ever saw.
• 27:01
  If I saw it in the theater, I would have walked out.
• 27:03
  Wow. And it is a film, I'd never seen
• 27:06
  before. It was not my pick, I'd heard of
• 27:09
  it. You might not even heard of it,
• 27:11
  it's called Strange Brew. It is a early 80s film, so you
• 27:16
  I'm sure you've heard of Saturday Night Live.
• 27:18
  Yeah, so, Saturday Night Live is based out of New York.
• 27:21
  There is something that is similar to Chicago.
• 27:24
  That was called SCTV Second City TV and had a lot of people from
• 27:29
  Canada, and a lot of people who actually came up through
• 27:31
  Saturday Night, Live actually started with Second City, and
• 27:34
  then actually moved in to Saturday Night Live, but it is a
• 27:39
  basically, it's a sketch dragged out to 90 minutes.
• 27:43
  And I laughed one time during the 90 minutes and as weird as
• 27:48
  I'm watching the movie, I right now.
• 27:49
  Okay, I want to pull a clip here for this particular sound bite
• 27:52
  and usually on a given movie. I'll have across the entire
• 27:57
  podcast, including housekeeping, and anything else.
• 27:59
  I'll have somewhere between 20 and 25 clips and they're all
• 28:03
  like between three seconds and 10 seconds.
• 28:05
  They're all usually short clips. I am pulling one clip for this
• 28:09
  entire podcast and it's it. Was so bad that I was shocked.
• 28:16
  How bad it was. What was bad about it though?
• 28:19
  It was there there was nothing to it.
• 28:21
  Was 90 minutes of fluff and the the script was bad.
• 28:26
  The acting was bad. It wasn't funny.
• 28:29
  It was poorly. Put together it was, I mean, it
• 28:33
  is like, Ed Wood for the 80s is what I would call it, but what
• 28:38
  was it trying to? Because, you know, sometimes
• 28:40
  like some of these terrible movies are just a clone of
• 28:43
  something else and try to capitalize from that success.
• 28:46
  So, you had a lot of successful, Sarah Night, Live movies, like
• 28:50
  Wayne's World. I took like a sketch and then
• 28:55
  you just blew it up to feature length and it's very rarely
• 28:58
  works with Wayne's World, it did work.
• 29:00
  But with this one ever knew that that was a sketch, the original
• 29:03
  I didn't. I didn't know.
• 29:04
  Yeah, there was a huge deal. It was like one of Dana Carvey
• 29:07
  he's and Mike Myers. Like really common ones was they
• 29:12
  had that Probably answering it life for a good five.
• 29:15
  Six years before they actually did the first movie.
• 29:17
  Oh wow. Look, I never do that.
• 29:20
  But yeah, it's same thing. It's like a 30-30, s 90, second
• 29:24
  sketch, blown up to a 90 minute movie.
• 29:26
  And wow, did it not scale, and it is the thing where I I, I've
• 29:33
  never purposely pick a film, that's bad.
• 29:36
  I have picked films that are bad in retrospect, not thinking
• 29:40
  about it. I'd never seen Flashdance
• 29:42
  before. Or I figured flash dances is, if
• 29:46
  you're my agent, it's a movie that's well, associated with the
• 29:49
  80s so it couldn't be that bad terrible film, The Outsiders was
• 29:54
  not my pick, but is it filming? Never seen before.
• 29:58
  I believe, I read the book. Terrible film, just awful and
• 30:02
  then there's other ones. We did Tango & Cash last week.
• 30:06
  The rings a bell. Mr. Stallone Kurt Russell super
• 30:10
  cops. That are wrongly accused and are
• 30:12
  put in prison. We escape Stallone movies are
• 30:15
  hitting this though. There really are because you get
• 30:18
  one like Demolition Man, which is like yeah.
• 30:20
  And then you get a I don't know, sometimes we put Tango & Cash in
• 30:24
  that same kind of Demolition Man box and it's is it a good movie?
• 30:28
  No. But is it a fun movie to watch
• 30:30
  all hell? Yeah.
• 30:30
  It was, it was entertaining and that's what it is.
• 30:33
  I want to be entertained and you can compartmentalize or, you
• 30:37
  know, you can look at movies differently.
• 30:39
  If you are looking at an Oscar Bait movie, you want it to Be
• 30:43
  this. But if you're looking at a
• 30:45
  stupid buddy comedy, it can be that in, in the quality can be
• 30:48
  wildly different, but you can enjoy them both on their own
• 30:50
  merits based on what they're supposed to be.
• 30:53
  But like, so you mentioned just then, yeah, you can enjoy it for
• 30:56
  what it is, regardless, but like, what in your opinion makes
• 31:01
  a good movie, then Do I walk out entertained?
• 31:05
  Is there a smile on my face during the film?
• 31:09
  If I sit in a theater? Do I walk out?
• 31:11
  Is it something that I want to talk about with somebody that I
• 31:15
  didn't see it with? I'll give you a perfect example
• 31:18
  of a more recent movie. Is I went and saw Gone Girl,
• 31:22
  which this is probably like three four years ago.
• 31:25
  It's a Ben Affleck and I cannot remember the girl's name but it
• 31:30
  is a girl fakes her own death. In disappears and Ben Affleck is
• 31:36
  the, the husband, he's the main suspect and I watched it in the
• 31:41
  theater by myself and I went home and I told my wife drop
• 31:47
  what you're doing. Go to the movies.
• 31:49
  Now just why? Like because I want to talk to
• 31:52
  somebody about this film and I need to talk to somebody that
• 31:54
  has seen it and and it wasn't a great film.
• 31:59
  It was definitely a very good film.
• 32:01
  It was something that I I had no qualms saying, you know, going
• 32:04
  watch it now. So I have somebody to talk to
• 32:06
  about it. Is interested when you get those
• 32:09
  movies because I remember hearing all the hype about Gone
• 32:13
  Girl, but I never saw it, but I did go and see the notebook
• 32:17
  which obviously there's a lot of jokes about that.
• 32:19
  Like blokes it's like nursing that hahaha like you know,
• 32:22
  you're getting dragged to it, buy it, buy your girlfriend.
• 32:24
  Ha ha and I got dragged to see it by a girlfriend.
• 32:27
  But I tell you what. Very good movie.
• 32:31
  Like I was surprised I, you know, I thought they did
• 32:34
  everything right. I mean generally rom-coms kind
• 32:37
  of turned me off. They're a bit.
• 32:38
  Like yeah, but it wasn't really a rom-com.
• 32:40
  Was it was more like just a drama, romantic drama or
• 32:43
  whatever, but great story, very compelling and good acting too.
• 32:49
  I don't know. I thought it was good.
• 32:51
  Yeah. Actually the film, I've probably
• 32:54
  seen the most at least for total amount of I'm so maybe not
• 33:01
  individual watchings based on consumer.
• 33:02
  These are 90 minutes, some are 3 hours and 30 minutes is outside
• 33:06
  the Star Wars movies because those I don't think anything can
• 33:09
  touch though, is for me, is it's Titanic.
• 33:12
  I probably seen Titanic at least 60 70 times love that film.
• 33:17
  And part of it is I was a big Titanic Buff when I was a kid.
• 33:22
  I remember when I was younger, this shows how young I am.
• 33:26
  I wanted what I wanted to do when I grew up is, I wanted to
• 33:29
  be the guy who found the Titanic and I remember I was out in the
• 33:34
  grass and my dad came out and he said, hey, I need you to show
• 33:38
  you something in the newspaper. This is odd.
• 33:41
  You know, I'm 14 years old or whatever.
• 33:43
  My dad showed me the newspaper, this is very weird.
• 33:46
  What did I do? But I go inside and it was a
• 33:48
  really small blurb about how Ballard had found the Titanic
• 33:52
  and I was just like bleep word. What am I gonna do with my life
• 33:57
  now? And I, it was a film that they
• 34:02
  Cameron took so much care in the details with the building, the
• 34:07
  the almost full scale model of the ship and just watching parts
• 34:14
  of it. It was just so cool for me for
• 34:17
  that. And plus the fact that you and
• 34:18
  he actually took, you know, several trips down to the actual
• 34:22
  wreck to film footage, which he probably really did not need to.
• 34:26
  Do all that stuff could have been faked, but, and it's just,
• 34:30
  it was a film like a little bit. Had a little bit of something
• 34:32
  for everybody because it had the romance part to it and that Drew
• 34:37
  in this audience and it had the action part and it drew in this
• 34:41
  audience and it almost is two films because the iceberg is
• 34:47
  kind of the delineation point when the ship hits.
• 34:51
  The iceberg, it changes from this Romance of star-crossed
• 34:55
  lovers. From this class one from this
• 34:58
  class to just a straight action film, almost like Full Metal
• 35:02
  Jacket, we receive full metal jacket or Full Metal Jacket.
• 35:05
  Very much two films. You have the boot camp part, and
• 35:09
  you have the part in Vietnam, on their own.
• 35:11
  They completely stand as distinct things, and it is
• 35:16
  almost just two movies, but I love that movie in actually my
• 35:19
  podcast host gives me so much garbage about that.
• 35:22
  The fact that I really liked that film.
• 35:24
  So it shows I have A heart I guess.
• 35:28
  I don't know man. I kind of felt like Titanic was
• 35:31
  better overrated. Personally I mean you know there
• 35:34
  was some clever stuff in there and whatnot but like Man, did
• 35:39
  they go on and on? And on about that movie?
• 35:43
  I mean, Jesus, I was a kid when that came out and I got sick at
• 35:46
  that. I mean, and I know as a kid, you
• 35:48
  don't generally care, but like, I was so sick and tired of
• 35:51
  people going. Oh, this movie is amazing.
• 35:53
  It's the greatest movie ever made.
• 35:55
  I heard people say that and I as I got older and I acquired some
• 35:59
  sort taste in movies and stuff like I'm not saying it's a bad
• 36:03
  movie. I'm saying I don't believe the
• 36:06
  hype, I don't think It meets the height.
• 36:11
  I think it's, it's an okay movie, you know.
• 36:14
  Did it deserve Oscars? Maybe, yes, some tough
• 36:18
  competition that year because l.a. confidential was one of the
• 36:21
  other major ones that I think, I think for visuals and sound
• 36:25
  track. Oh, absolutely.
• 36:27
  But for the actual story, you know, I don't know.
• 36:33
  I mean it kind of brought to attention the the story of the
• 36:39
  title which obviously everyone is familiar with but I suppose
• 36:41
  it kind of brought it into a new generation and stuff and that's
• 36:44
  good. You know, it's always good to
• 36:45
  kind of Get people interested in history and such but you know
• 36:50
  people for a long time, remember thought that it was like based
• 36:53
  on a true story and all this and it's like no no.
• 36:56
  It where's Jax grave? I want to.
• 36:58
  Yeah. That's that's like that.
• 37:00
  It's like, come on guys. Like but how are you supposed to
• 37:03
  know if they don't spell it out for you?
• 37:04
  That's the thing. People don't always realize that
• 37:08
  unless it's really obvious. The thing that's interesting
• 37:11
  about that film and you can compare it to the Star Wars
• 37:15
  prequels, believe it or not is Is your kind of boxed in with a
• 37:19
  story. You can tell because you know
• 37:22
  what the end is? You know what where you're going
• 37:25
  to end up at the end of the film, you don't necessarily know
• 37:28
  how you can get from A to B, but you have certain things that you
• 37:31
  need to do. And obviously, since there
• 37:34
  weren't based on real characters and even if they were, people
• 37:36
  wouldn't know all of the individual passengers on the
• 37:39
  Titanic to know if Rose died, or if Jack died, whatever.
• 37:42
  But it boxes you in and it presents a challenge to the
• 37:45
  filmmakers to do that. And as an author, I ran into
• 37:50
  this problem, once where when I write I in when I write I write
• 37:55
  screenplays and the reason I write screenplays is my degree
• 37:57
  is in film and I feel like I spent four years in college.
• 38:03
  I should do something with my degree since I don't do that
• 38:06
  professionally anymore. Since I quit working in news and
• 38:10
  I did that as I was actually, I was a trainer for an IT company
• 38:15
  for a long time. So I was spending 40 weeks, a
• 38:18
  year on the road and I was living out of a suitcase and I
• 38:22
  was always in hotels. And so, I just started writing
• 38:25
  at night when I be in the hotel and I figured this is a great
• 38:29
  way to actually kind of use my degree.
• 38:31
  And I wrote, A story and it was a self-contained story, has a
• 38:37
  beginning middle and an end, and it had a definitive.
• 38:40
  And you could not see equalize this film, because all the
• 38:43
  characters are in there and place, whether they be dead, or
• 38:47
  they be married, or whatever happens.
• 38:49
  It's because they just everyone dies, that that's pretty
• 38:51
  definitive end. So, but I loved the the universe
• 38:56
  that I had built and I wanted to go back and explore it.
• 39:00
  And one of the things I did in, I do when I write anything is I
• 39:04
  will For two things that happen outside of the body of the film
• 39:08
  itself. So this happened, five years
• 39:10
  ago, when they were in high school together or something
• 39:13
  like that, and I wanted to go back and I actually wrote to
• 39:18
  prequels that led up to like, the first scene of the first
• 39:22
  thing I'd written, but I had boxed myself in as far as like
• 39:26
  what I could do story-wise because I couldn't kill this
• 39:29
  character because they're still there and it was, it was a
• 39:33
  challenge and I could have done it.
• 39:34
  I cheat I could have just well nobody is that familiar with the
• 39:37
  characters. Anyway I could have done it
• 39:38
  anyway. I wanted but I wanted to do it
• 39:40
  as a creative challenge to see if it was something that I could
• 39:43
  actually stretch myself. And that's when you look at the
• 39:47
  different things, I've written I've tried to write different
• 39:49
  genres just to stretch myself to see.
• 39:52
  Can I write a romance? Can I write sci-fi?
• 39:54
  Can I write a thriller? Can I write a whodunit and kind
• 39:58
  of very what I'm doing? And one of the things that I've
• 40:01
  Loved is, there's a couple romances that I've And one of
• 40:05
  them is actually just heartbreaking, it is it is
• 40:11
  intentionally written to make people cry.
• 40:14
  And so, funny story at least funny, in my opinion, I'd been
• 40:19
  married about 15 years at this point and it was right before
• 40:23
  Thanksgiving, and we were talking about Christmas, because
• 40:28
  once you're married for so long, you kind of run out of stuff to
• 40:31
  buy each other. And if you're me, I mean you saw
• 40:35
  pictures of my podcast gear, I kind of just go out and buy what
• 40:39
  I want and my wife's not going to know to you know, buy me this
• 40:42
  microphone or whatever. So trying to come up with unique
• 40:47
  things is always a thing and I had quit writing for a long
• 40:50
  time. I hadn't written in probably 10
• 40:51
  years at this point and I said, you know what, I'm going to
• 40:54
  write something just for my wife.
• 40:57
  And I wrote a screenplay that was based on how we met up until
• 41:03
  a certain point. It's like the first X number of
• 41:06
  pages is almost word for word. Exactly how we met, the, the
• 41:12
  circumstances, all this stuff. And then at one point, it breaks
• 41:15
  and it goes in a different direction and the ending of it
• 41:19
  because is they do not end up together.
• 41:25
  But this was her Christmas gift to by the way.
• 41:27
  Um, did she not like take this as like a message like what you
• 41:32
  trying to say to me Matthew? Which is, you know, one of the
• 41:38
  things that I hear about people getting trouble for is their
• 41:41
  spouse or their significant, other will use their computer
• 41:45
  and you know how, your your web browser will have autofill and
• 41:51
  it'll they'll be typing something and it'll bring up an
• 41:53
  auto-fill. It's like, okay, that's weird
• 41:54
  and then they'll go in your search history and it's like,
• 41:57
  Okay, why is he Googling divorce lawyers?
• 42:01
  And a lot of this stuff is for is for research because I try to
• 42:06
  get like things accurate in in my books.
• 42:10
  And so I had to do is like, how can you divorce someone in
• 42:14
  absentia, you know, if the person is not around and that
• 42:18
  always that can lead to some interesting conversations, but I
• 42:21
  was watching her read this. After she'd got it.
• 42:24
  And I actually have video of her, unwrapping it at Christmas
• 42:27
  and Just I had to stop recording it because it got uncomfortable.
• 42:29
  She started crying. And because she knew that, I'd
• 42:32
  written it for her and I was watching her read it.
• 42:36
  And I knew the page where where the dagger comes where it just
• 42:41
  becomes brutal. And I'm watching it.
• 42:45
  I'm watching her. I'm watching her and just the
• 42:47
  tears start coming. I'm like, yes, I nailed it.
• 42:51
  I said yes. If you can create a world where
• 42:56
  somebody gives a crap about a fictional character that you've
• 42:59
  created in the space of 90 pages, that shows that you have
• 43:04
  signed up some kind of Acumen for for writing of sure.
• 43:07
  Yeah, no, I totally agree and you know, that's why you look at
• 43:12
  any kind of creative art and anything that moves Whether it
• 43:14
  be poetry or music or books, or movies or television shows,
• 43:18
  whatever. I think one of the most One of
• 43:24
  the biggest compliments I can give to a piece of art, is if
• 43:28
  it's silences me. If I am just slack-jawed,
• 43:35
  dumbfounded, can't speak because of what I've seen heard
• 43:40
  experience that is the biggest thing.
• 43:42
  And there are very few things that I can point to and I don't
• 43:46
  think there's probably any that you would be familiar with but
• 43:48
  like there's there's this show called The Shield which you
• 43:52
  probably never heard of it was it was a TV show based on a
• 43:57
  group of cops and in La they ran for five or six.
• 44:00
  Ins or so. And the last episode, the last
• 44:05
  ten minutes I could not speak when I was watching it the first
• 44:08
  time because it is just so well done.
• 44:12
  And what happens is so over-the-top brutal that all the
• 44:17
  respect in the world to people that can create any kind of art
• 44:19
  like that. Yeah, it's funny how that
• 44:22
  sometimes hits you as well. Like I remember watching the
• 44:25
  first RoboCop, the a he's one for the very first time and that
• 44:30
  big Getting part. Like, I know it's an integral
• 44:33
  part of the story and everything and it's, you know, so the plot
• 44:35
  device and whatnot, but it's like it's so brutal.
• 44:39
  Like I've seen bad guys before you know, killer guy mutilating,
• 44:44
  whatever but this was Lich it was like I think the cool thing
• 44:48
  about it was that it was like instead of them just having a
• 44:52
  disdain for cops and kind of punishing the cop.
• 44:54
  They literally torture this guy for fun and then walk away and
• 44:59
  leave him for dead. But it's like real torture and I
• 45:04
  think that serves, like I said, it's a really great pop of ice
• 45:08
  for him sort of getting revenge, but because he's like, you know,
• 45:11
  RoboCop now he's not the devoid of emotion and stuff.
• 45:15
  So it's like, he's just going to destroy them and he's going to
• 45:19
  be like, totally just don't forget, stone-faced emotionless
• 45:23
  while he does it, which is gonna be terrifying for the villains,
• 45:26
  but yeah, yeah. Just completely agree or It's
• 45:30
  tough man or some stuff, but you had mentioned about how I worked
• 45:35
  in news. And do you have a, my, their
• 45:39
  employ? Amway is need to be careful.
• 45:43
  How I say this, I'm way or Emily Amway am wa y know.
• 45:48
  I've heard of that though. And it is a multi Market level,
• 45:53
  a level program basically. So oh well, married in
• 45:56
  Midstream. I did not say that.
• 45:59
  That's what they are. They're pyramids.
• 46:00
  And you can't say for legal reasons, I guess, right?
• 46:04
  They have been called that by helping people, right?
• 46:06
  Okay. So when you're looking for a job
• 46:09
  and this is very common in the US that you at least you used to
• 46:11
  be as you will. Look at Job things and you will
• 46:15
  go for an interview to some place and you will they'll blah
• 46:19
  blah blah blah blah. And is like hey I want to talk
• 46:21
  to you about Amway and then at that point you just say I'm out
• 46:26
  or or timeshares there's this big thing in the US with
• 46:29
  timeshares where the thing to get you to go, listen to a
• 46:32
  timeshare pitch, is they will give you a free set of luggage
• 46:36
  or an iPad or something like that.
• 46:38
  When I had something to you. My initial thing that I had is a
• 46:43
  thing that I was passionate about was kind of my Amway bait
• 46:47
  and switch switch in that. It's not that I wasn't
• 46:50
  passionate about because I am but of all the things I would
• 46:53
  love to talk about it is probably the lowest but I
• 46:55
  thought it was the one that would have the highest you know,
• 46:58
  curating for you as far as okay this Kind of interesting, but
• 47:02
  let me give you what before you continue.
• 47:04
  I will just say, because I think this is important thing for
• 47:07
  everyone to hear both listeners to the show, people, maybe in
• 47:11
  the future that want to appear on this show.
• 47:13
  I don't actually have like, a sort of a set thing I'm looking
• 47:18
  for as far as like, a guest is concerned or or a topic, like
• 47:22
  sure. Sometimes, when you hear a topic
• 47:24
  you're like, oh yeah, you can imagine already what you're
• 47:26
  going to talk about. But you'd be surprised like
• 47:28
  every single time I have a Guest on this show, they surprised me,
• 47:32
  you know, either it will be something that we talked about,
• 47:36
  you know, as you can see. Like, you know, I've got a style
• 47:39
  where I ad-lib, a lot of questions, you know, it's not,
• 47:41
  it's not just me looking at all these notes, I got here.
• 47:45
  Exactly, I understand that many notes.
• 47:48
  I'm not that interesting to see, that's where you're wrong.
• 47:51
  Every human being knows something that you do not know
• 47:55
  and it has a story or has a bunch of stories.
• 47:59
  Yes, true. All you have to do is Someone,
• 48:01
  you know, talking about stuff, they're passionate about or or
• 48:04
  show a genuine interest that. I think if this podcast has
• 48:06
  taught me nothing else. It's helped me to be a better
• 48:09
  conversationalist because now I just focus on asking questions
• 48:14
  and then just keep prodding and poking and seeing where the
• 48:18
  conversation goes obviously within reason, you know, you
• 48:20
  have to be respectful and stuff but yeah, I just want to say
• 48:23
  that like I'm up for anything really?
• 48:26
  I'm I just love to have conversations and learn about
• 48:29
  life people. Well, and things.
• 48:31
  So yeah, anything is on the table as far as.
• 48:34
  So, you know, I in this is kind of interesting for me because I
• 48:39
  have a son who is 18 and he, he just selected the college at,
• 48:44
  he's going to congratulate and thank you.
• 48:47
  Yeah, he just handed me a bill for 100,000.
• 48:51
  Thanks, Dad. Yeah.
• 48:53
  Well, fortunately, you know, we have like plans savings plans
• 48:56
  that. So it's not like that's all out
• 48:58
  of pocket but it's still not a cheap thing.
• 49:00
  And very uncommon to leave. It's so expensive in the u.s.
• 49:04
  like it don't get me wrong. It's expensive here too but like
• 49:07
  it just seems crazy in the state's.
• 49:10
  How expensive is that? I do will never understand that.
• 49:14
  Yeah, actually, before I get into that, I got to ask this
• 49:17
  because this is something I don't understand and if you have
• 49:19
  u.s. people US based people that listen I guarantee they don't
• 49:23
  understand this either. How does the education system
• 49:26
  work in the UK because in the u.s. you have Have kindergarten
• 49:32
  then you have like 1 through 5 which is generally your
• 49:34
  elementary school. Then six through eight, which is
• 49:36
  your middle school and then 9 through 12, which is your high
• 49:40
  school and then you can go on to college or trade school or not.
• 49:44
  In, I know in the UK, it doesn't work that way because you have
• 49:48
  something you have college and university mean different things
• 49:50
  to you than it means to me. Yeah.
• 49:52
  The only difference and we're unique because Europe
• 49:56
  essentially does it the same as the American system as well?
• 50:00
  Is unique or the UK is unique, in the sense that what we do is
• 50:04
  we still have the kindergarten, we call it a nursery and it
• 50:08
  lasts about a year or something. And then we have what we call
• 50:13
  infants school, which I'll do it by ages.
• 50:16
  That's the easiest way to turn so infant school is between the
• 50:19
  ages of about four or five all the way up to 11 and then from
• 50:25
  the ages of 11 until 16 is high school.
• 50:30
  But But this is where we differ to you guys because you guys
• 50:32
  would just include the bit between 17 to 18 as part of high
• 50:37
  school, right? So essentially you stay in high
• 50:39
  school for longer. Whereas in the UK, it's not
• 50:42
  actually compulsory to study further, education beyond the
• 50:45
  age of 16, however, this changed recently.
• 50:48
  So now you either have to study between the ages of 16 to 18 in
• 50:55
  some sort of a college course or not University, the Yeah,
• 51:01
  college or what we call 6 form, which is where instead of going
• 51:04
  to a college, you go to this extended education at your
• 51:10
  school or a different school, and we study what's called A
• 51:14
  Levels, right? So, it's gcses is, High School.
• 51:17
  A Levels is is college or six form, and the a-levels is what
• 51:23
  you use to get into University or college.
• 51:26
  Has you guys call it? So the only real difference is
• 51:28
  that we split it up. Really.
• 51:30
  That's that's why but I suppose the reason they're gets
• 51:32
  confusing is that we refer to to college as this like two years
• 51:38
  of education? Yeah.
• 51:39
  Well as you guys refer, you know, this is easier if everyone
• 51:42
  just says University. But yeah, I get where the
• 51:44
  confusion is. I don't know why we do it that
• 51:47
  way. To be honest.
• 51:48
  It doesn't make any sense of particularly when we change the
• 51:51
  law because it used to be that you could finish school at 16
• 51:54
  and just go straight into work. Whereas now I believe the law is
• 51:58
  changed so that you have At least do a year of Education in
• 52:04
  some sort of a vocation you have to by law now.
• 52:07
  But you never used to have to that's something that changed in
• 52:09
  the last 10 years or something. Canada Works.
• 52:12
  Similarly to how you guys do, which makes sense because the
• 52:16
  queen is on their money. So there's that connection there
• 52:19
  and most of all, all of the thing.
• 52:22
  Knowledge, I have of the British educational system is from, you
• 52:27
  know, shows I watched on Netflix that probably came.
• 52:30
  I'm from the BBC like there's a great show called skins which
• 52:34
  all her skins. Yeah, I love skins grown-up
• 52:37
  skins was amazing and skin cut. See what skins the first two
• 52:41
  seasons is, literally my teenage years.
• 52:45
  I am not exaggerating. That is literally how my life
• 52:47
  was. It's when I watch that show, I
• 52:50
  get a bit like to nostalgic. Like I start feeling that kind
• 52:54
  of like, oh my God, like it feels so real because that's
• 52:58
  exactly how it was. And all of the music is Exactly
• 53:00
  what I was listening to and it's like all the stuff they're
• 53:03
  doing. Mostly is what I was doing and
• 53:06
  everything, but it's weird. It's weird.
• 53:09
  How things can encapsulate certain type that Peep Show in
• 53:13
  the UK. As another example Peepshow is a
• 53:16
  perfect representation of 2000's London.
• 53:21
  It's just it's spot-on. Like literally like the
• 53:24
  characters they have in that the over exaggerations and
• 53:27
  everything like people were really like that and knees
• 53:30
  sometimes. Even still like that.
• 53:31
  In some cases London life is and I suppose it's like any other
• 53:35
  major city but back in those days it was very much like that
• 53:38
  and I can attest for that cuz I grew up in London.
• 53:41
  So it's funny how that works sometimes.
• 53:43
  No, I'm just I'm happy because everybody else I've talked to
• 53:46
  from the UK. Nobody had heard of skins
• 53:48
  because I wanted to know if there was an accurate
• 53:51
  representation, there's somebody that's but what the age of the
• 53:53
  people that you're asking me? Because I didn't ask him Poland.
• 53:55
  She's probably 24, 25, somewhere in that she would, Line up with
• 54:00
  that, that's really bizarre. Yeah, I want a sausage skins was
• 54:03
  a big deal skins came out in like I want to say the late
• 54:08
  2000s is roughly maybe 2007 2008 and it went until the early
• 54:14
  2010's the later ones the are not as good but it still is I
• 54:21
  relied binge that? I mean it's not very long.
• 54:23
  I mean there's the joke about British television shows it
• 54:25
  lasted, ten seasons and yeah and almost 40 episodes see on the
• 54:29
  reverse because Because iíve always been annoyed by the fact
• 54:32
  that British TV shows are like that.
• 54:34
  I don't feel you get enough. Like, for instance, Sherlock is
• 54:36
  a very good example with that you wait like years to get three
• 54:40
  episodes. Sherlockian Luther is another
• 54:44
  one. It's like come on.
• 54:45
  Where's American TV shows? You got a 24 episodes in each
• 54:48
  thing. It's great.
• 54:49
  I can binge watch tons of my favorite American shows and
• 54:53
  they'll be loads and loads of episode.
• 54:55
  So take a really long time and it's like, but a lot of that's
• 54:57
  filler though, you know, always liked.
• 55:00
  You're right. You can find that but it depends
• 55:03
  on the show. I think some shows putting more
• 55:06
  effort than others. So in that regard I think now
• 55:09
  with with Netflix and Amazon Prime, and apples offering
• 55:14
  there's kind of this sweet spot of the 10 to 13 episodes season
• 55:19
  which is kind of between what you guys have historically done
• 55:23
  and what the u.s. historically does.
• 55:25
  And I do I will select long 24 is a bit over the time.
• 55:30
  It depends. If you've got like a sitcom like
• 55:33
  How I Met Your Mother or something like that and the
• 55:35
  episodes are like 20 minutes long, I think it works.
• 55:39
  But if you've got like 40 minute episodes or something like that,
• 55:44
  30 minute episodes, I don't think it needs to be longer than
• 55:47
  about 10, 10 episodes, 10 to 15 little 10 to 13 episodes.
• 55:52
  I think, I think it really depends on the run time.
• 55:54
  Really, and what, what's actually, what you're putting in
• 55:57
  there because if you got a show like iCarly Your mother friends
• 56:01
  or so you can watch them out of order and it doesn't really
• 56:04
  matter, you do. I mean, everyone knows the story
• 56:06
  lines anyway, but you can watch it without and you don't need to
• 56:10
  know the story lines. But if you watch a show like
• 56:15
  last last. Yeah.
• 56:17
  Oh man, that was a disappointment.
• 56:18
  Wasn't it in that? And you brought up how it might
• 56:22
  your mother twice and love. That is a, that is a show that I
• 56:26
  loved and the last probably season and a half.
• 56:30
  I Eight watched it just to get it done with.
• 56:32
  I said, I don't get the hey, I really don't like, I feel like
• 56:35
  it was, it was rushed and it was stretched out.
• 56:39
  But yeah, I still don't get the hey, you know, like everyone
• 56:43
  goes like about the ending. Like, oh, I can't believe that
• 56:46
  how it like, you never saw that coming and it's like BS.
• 56:49
  The whole thing is clearly about that like it's I mean, I did
• 56:55
  honestly think that he would just end up with a mum and I
• 56:57
  think maybe that would have been a better ending.
• 56:59
  But at the same time, It is kind of clear that he that that's
• 57:05
  where the story is headed and I mean, even in like the I think
• 57:10
  the final season there's an episode where Ted is also he's
• 57:16
  finds the ring or something for Robin and her wedding or
• 57:21
  whatever it was and they have that moment in the rain and all
• 57:25
  that and stuff. And it's like he never stops
• 57:27
  having the hots for a he it's just they they can't be together
• 57:31
  because of reasons but it's like they're brings up a great
• 57:35
  question though. So I'm sure you have friends
• 57:38
  right? And and so you know these blokes
• 57:44
  if you will and you know they have Birds some trainees the UK
• 57:47
  terminate. The lightest Birds.
• 57:50
  Yeah, I'm not really a blokey bloke so this doesn't work with
• 57:53
  me but go ahead. It's you're going down to the
• 57:55
  pub for a pint over. Go from Pub Golem, I'll go down
• 57:59
  at the pub reporter. Have 0hf, okay. it shall have a
• 58:08
  someone who's like, Usually of low intelligence.
• 58:14
  Okay. Tends to speak in vulgarities.
• 58:18
  So lots of swear words. Lots of slang words.
• 58:22
  Yeah but not like in a clever way or a fun way like more like
• 58:25
  swearing every single word sentence.
• 58:28
  And yeah, it's like really awful.
• 58:32
  And you know, that's not a big deal, you know, there's plenty
• 58:34
  of eloquently spoken people in the world that's where but they
• 58:37
  do it. Like I said, over the top, they
• 58:39
  tend to be And I'm generalizing here, but they tend to be like
• 58:44
  unemployed or, you know, low-income families and stuff
• 58:49
  and they'll live in like what we call Council Estates trick shot.
• 58:54
  Yeah, these really horribly built Estates that.
• 58:58
  They decided to build, which I'll never understand why they
• 59:00
  build the because is the thing. And I've said this to a lot of
• 59:02
  my friends over the years, the surroundings that you build for
• 59:07
  people will actually have an impact on how they think.
• 59:11
  Feel Al and live for sure, if you build terrible surroundings
• 59:15
  for them, then that will affect their mentality right there.
• 59:20
  Anyway. So a lot of it is to do with
• 59:23
  that the mindset and stuff, but some of it is visual, you know,
• 59:25
  they don't tend to wear very nice clothes.
• 59:28
  It's all like track suits and stuff like that.
• 59:31
  Which again, it's a choice thing.
• 59:34
  You know, I don't think everything should be about the
• 59:37
  way you dress but like it tends to be they don't tend to take
• 59:41
  very good care. At themselves and the thing
• 59:43
  about Chad's historic. I mean there's less and less of
• 59:46
  than these days. But like they do still exist and
• 59:49
  they often will sort of like hang around in groups.
• 59:53
  Usually, on my street corners outside, what we call off
• 59:56
  licenses. So I guess liquor stores for you
• 59:59
  Americans but they don't only sell liquor they start to sort
• 1:00:03
  of. It's also like it's like a
• 1:00:05
  convenience store. That's what I like about daycare
• 1:00:08
  or something. Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  But they're like always open. So they're like, hang outside
• 1:00:12
  those at night, they'll Rob people.
• 1:00:14
  They'll kind of make people uncomfortable, I probably
• 1:00:18
  haven't done a very good job of explaining it because to me to
• 1:00:21
  be honest like I know I get it just from my my knowledge of
• 1:00:25
  British culture of from Cheetos. I get it a better way to
• 1:00:28
  explain. It may be for an international
• 1:00:30
  audience as well as if you ever seen like slobs and like you
• 1:00:33
  know those like shabby-looking Slavs from like Russia or Poland
• 1:00:36
  or whatever reiter, it's like the English equivalent of that.
• 1:00:39
  There's a lot of similarities there.
• 1:00:41
  Especially when it comes to like boy racing, driving and shitty
• 1:00:44
  cars and doing them up with, you know, like I take it like a
• 1:00:48
  really rubbish car Locker, I don't know.
• 1:00:50
  Golf and pimp it up, get it up. Yeah and it's like there's a lot
• 1:00:54
  of that. They tend to like drive around
• 1:00:57
  mopeds a lot here because a lot of them are very young so they
• 1:01:02
  can get like a beginner's license on a moped and they
• 1:01:07
  don't have to actually learn to drive so they can drive around
• 1:01:09
  on that and harass people. My mum when I was growing up,
• 1:01:12
  used to call mopeds hair dryer and a skateboard because of the
• 1:01:15
  horrible sound, it makes it's just awful.
• 1:01:19
  But there's a u.s. show that's based on a US UK show which most
• 1:01:23
  people don't actually know that it is just like the office to
• 1:01:26
  show that came across and it's called Shameless.
• 1:01:28
  No. Ya didn't they may become one
• 1:01:31
  ended. Yeah, well went ran for 10
• 1:01:34
  seasons but that's kind of what in my head is Chef calves would
• 1:01:39
  be. And then for the American
• 1:01:40
  equivalent would be like Gallagher's us version.
• 1:01:43
  I think in the US, the equivalent would be like the
• 1:01:46
  people you see on that Jersey Shore or something like that.
• 1:01:49
  Okay. Okay, sure you guys it's like
• 1:01:51
  it's like when people are very kind of like they don't have
• 1:01:54
  maybe the most desirable acts and you know, maybe they don't
• 1:01:59
  have the most desirable habits, you know, me and like, your
• 1:02:02
  average person goes out and and enjoys himself, you know, goes
• 1:02:05
  to nice places and has fun with their friends and stuff, but
• 1:02:09
  chavs kind of hang around the cause has trouble Jin.
• 1:02:12
  And I mean, like, if you're walking down an Alleyway and you
• 1:02:16
  see each ABS, you're going to get robbed, you don't mean
• 1:02:18
  they're gonna not gonna be like, oh, hey, Buddy.
• 1:02:21
  Isn't it a lovely evening? Then I'm gonna be like that.
• 1:02:23
  It's not. But before I when I'm in this is
• 1:02:27
  this is what a lot of what my podcast as well as like we go on
• 1:02:30
  tangents based on what the conversation takes us as you
• 1:02:34
  were talking about How I Met Your Mother and earlier we
• 1:02:37
  talked about how my podcast has different segments and At the
• 1:02:41
  end. After we're done talking about
• 1:02:43
  the movie. Before we introduced with the
• 1:02:44
  movie for the following week is going to be whoever's week.
• 1:02:47
  It isn't, which means I actually need to come up with one for
• 1:02:50
  tomorrow has a question of the week and it can be on anything
• 1:02:55
  and it has been as simple or complex as what is the thing you
• 1:03:00
  are most embarrassed about or have you ever crapped yourself
• 1:03:05
  in public? But one question I had recently
• 1:03:09
  which How I Met Your Mother reminded me of A of it is.
• 1:03:12
  So if you have a friend that's married and he is no longer
• 1:03:19
  married and this is its splits to two different ways.
• 1:03:24
  He's no longer married because he's dead.
• 1:03:28
  The his widow is still around. Ah, I see is she fair game?
• 1:03:38
  oh, I would say after like a very long time, maybe but like,
• 1:03:52
  I'm talking like a cup, maybe a year, a couple of years,
• 1:03:54
  something like that. Like, you don't mean, like out
• 1:03:56
  of respect for your buddy. Sure, buddy.
• 1:03:58
  It's but you know, I know people will be like, oh no, you can't
• 1:04:02
  do that. You know, it's about Burroughs
• 1:04:04
  and stuff, but like you got to look at it like Your body, your
• 1:04:09
  best friend, right? If they've died.
• 1:04:13
  They would want your their wife now Widow to be happy and if
• 1:04:18
  you're truly their best friend and they loved you like a
• 1:04:21
  brother or whatever. They like the idea of you being
• 1:04:24
  with them would make them happy. I would think that's how I would
• 1:04:27
  rationalize it in my head. Yeah, what now the other part of
• 1:04:31
  it is that he's not dead. They just got divorced.
• 1:04:35
  Oh then no that's okay. Okay.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah and this led in the funny thing is my my wife listens to
• 1:04:42
  the podcast, I think part of it is just to check up on me.
• 1:04:46
  It was he doing what's he doing? But my buddy's wife does not
• 1:04:50
  listen to it at all. And that that's probably good
• 1:04:53
  for their relationship because I would, you get in trouble, if if
• 1:04:56
  she did, I will get a call. She will be driving home because
• 1:04:59
  she actually still goes into the office.
• 1:05:01
  She will be driving home, and she'll be really.
• 1:05:04
  And I can almost tell exactly what part of the podcast.
• 1:05:06
  She's at To when she calls me. But, you know, the question of,
• 1:05:10
  okay? One of the questions when we was
• 1:05:12
  like how, how long do you wait before, you get back out on the
• 1:05:17
  dating scene before after your spouse dies?
• 1:05:21
  Oh, that's tough. And I said, I know, I mean, my
• 1:05:29
  wife changed my life. I love her to death.
• 1:05:32
  She really probably is the best thing that's ever happened to
• 1:05:35
  me. So I probably would wait.
• 1:05:38
  One or two weeks before, but I mean, I don't know it.
• 1:05:45
  You're kidding, you're kidding. And yes, there's somebody really
• 1:05:48
  hot at like, the, the funeral then, you know, all bets are off
• 1:05:51
  but I don't know why you're taking.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah, you're taking the piss. Like yeah, I mean I don't know
• 1:05:58
  because I can I can separate it and it would be a thing where it
• 1:06:04
  we have this thing in the u.s. it's called a slump-buster.
• 1:06:08
  Which this is more when you're single.
• 1:06:10
  You shouldn't have a slump when you're married.
• 1:06:12
  I think I know what this is gone.
• 1:06:14
  So you know, you've run into a dry patch and you haven't had
• 1:06:18
  luck with the ladies for a long time and you hook up with
• 1:06:22
  somebody that you might not normally hook up with just kind
• 1:06:25
  of get you back on the horse, get you back in the game and I
• 1:06:28
  think you it's going to be weird, especially the longer
• 1:06:33
  you've been together you. When you look at someone that
• 1:06:37
  has been your partner for 20 years when you think about
• 1:06:43
  Anything is that's going to be so weird.
• 1:06:45
  And you also get. So, you know, people evolve, I
• 1:06:49
  am not the person. I was when I first got married,
• 1:06:54
  I have less hair, I'm fatter than I was.
• 1:06:56
  But besides that just personality evolves as well and
• 1:07:01
  the way that you are with your spouse and iPhone this out, and
• 1:07:05
  I've talked to a lot of people about, this is when people get
• 1:07:08
  married, a lot of times, they still are not completely 100% at
• 1:07:15
  ease with their wife, even when they get married, there are
• 1:07:17
  still things that they hold back, the things that are there,
• 1:07:21
  they're Dark Secrets or the things that they're ashamed of
• 1:07:24
  or things like that. And eventually you get to a
• 1:07:28
  point where it's I don't care warts and all this is who I am
• 1:07:31
  just going to say. Yeah, wouldn't it cause problems
• 1:07:33
  to the relationship if you're holding back stuff.
• 1:07:35
  I mean well it depends on what it is.
• 1:07:36
  I mean if you're holding back while I used to kill people,
• 1:07:39
  that would probably. Yeah.
• 1:07:41
  But in actually I do know somebody D, that that happened
• 1:07:44
  to they had their first husband actually was a serial killer and
• 1:07:49
  they found out after, like years later, was, in the witness
• 1:07:53
  protection or something? No, no.
• 1:07:55
  He had actually killed people before they got married.
• 1:07:58
  They were only married for like a year.
• 1:07:59
  They got divorced and then he killed her his next wife, oh my
• 1:08:06
  God. But that, that's got to be kind
• 1:08:09
  of like damn that, that that's crazy.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, exactly. But, you know, my wife and I did
• 1:08:18
  talk about it and she said, I think she said I had to give her
• 1:08:20
  90 days. I had to give him 90 days.
• 1:08:25
  I mean, you know, I think this whole thing is a bit silly.
• 1:08:28
  I mean firstly, I agree with your whole slump-buster Theory,
• 1:08:33
  I think that's very accurate. Actually, I know I needed that
• 1:08:38
  with my last relationship, you know, been a walk, to be honest.
• 1:08:41
  The last, my last relationship had sort of killed me in various
• 1:08:45
  different ways and I'd lost a lot of confidence and we're not
• 1:08:48
  when I'd had sort of, just got with some people, I was like,
• 1:08:51
  no, I've still got, it's not, there's nothing wrong there.
• 1:08:54
  But it was good for me. It was kind of almost weirdly
• 1:08:57
  therapeutic because I okay, cool.
• 1:08:59
  I can relax now and you know what?
• 1:09:01
  I think it's actually very important for a person to do
• 1:09:03
  that after a long relationship or yeah, you know, you know
• 1:09:08
  what? If if your spouse dies
• 1:09:11
  absolutely, there's nothing to feel bad about get back on the
• 1:09:14
  horse, you need to kind of get it out your system so that you
• 1:09:18
  can focus on, you know that serious thing.
• 1:09:20
  But I think it is very different if a spouse dies like,
• 1:09:24
  obviously, I'm I can't speak from experience, but I would
• 1:09:26
  imagine if I was in that scenario I would focus on
• 1:09:30
  firstly getting over the grief and just getting back to
• 1:09:35
  adjusting to life without this person.
• 1:09:37
  And what that life looks like, because you're going to get a
• 1:09:40
  lot of people. Like I don't often talk about
• 1:09:43
  family situations here but I'll mention this because it's
• 1:09:45
  accurate and relevant. So unfortunately, my my nan she
• 1:09:53
  lost her husband when To a brain tumor.
• 1:09:58
  And she was still very young at the time.
• 1:10:01
  And obviously it was very difficult for the whole family
• 1:10:03
  and everything. And as I understand, she then
• 1:10:09
  started dating my granddad. Now, with step Granddad, if you
• 1:10:11
  want to call it that, I've only ever known him as Granddad.
• 1:10:14
  So yeah, sure. But yeah, my granddad.
• 1:10:18
  Now, I believe about a year afterwards and because of the
• 1:10:24
  nature of like, How people are in small towns and stuff people
• 1:10:27
  would be like, oh, I can't believe that you would start
• 1:10:29
  dating someone afterwards, like he's barely in his grey.
• 1:10:32
  Like people said this stuff like, oh, he's barely in his
• 1:10:34
  grave and you're like, it was like, the audacity of these
• 1:10:37
  people, but it obviously made her feel very bad because it's
• 1:10:40
  like, you know, it's I suppose some people view that as recent,
• 1:10:45
  but like, was she supposed to do, you know, she's supposed to
• 1:10:49
  live the rest of her life alone and miserable like them through
• 1:10:52
  area? Yeah, do you know what like, And
• 1:10:55
  I don't agree with that. I think, if something comes
• 1:10:57
  along go for it. Take it especially ladies.
• 1:11:01
  Do you know? It's a lot harder for a lady
• 1:11:03
  who's in a 30s, 40s 50s and there's lost a man and Janome
• 1:11:07
  because in the eyes of a men, maybe she's not as attractive.
• 1:11:11
  You know, maybe she, you know, it's not as attractive to have a
• 1:11:14
  widow or someone with kids or, you know what I mean.
• 1:11:17
  Like and and that's silly. It shouldn't be that way, but it
• 1:11:20
  can be that way. So if you get mail interest, go
• 1:11:23
  for it. Lutely, go for it.
• 1:11:25
  You know, they've got nothing to feel bad about it.
• 1:11:27
  As long as you feel right and it feels it's not being rushed and
• 1:11:31
  it feels like it's the right time and everything like that.
• 1:11:34
  Just go for it. That's why.
• 1:11:35
  All right. Absolutely.
• 1:11:36
  I agree. And we actually in this Probably
• 1:11:39
  sounds weird, but we talk to our kids about this.
• 1:11:43
  Hmm. Because we have had, you know,
• 1:11:45
  deaths in the family and stuff like that and it makes you think
• 1:11:48
  about your own mortality a little bit but we at dinner.
• 1:11:53
  Proper dinner conversation. I said just so you know if if I
• 1:11:58
  die, your mother will get remarried and that is fine.
• 1:12:01
  And I don't want you to hold that against her because I want
• 1:12:04
  her to be happy and enjoy your pizza.
• 1:12:08
  It's not fair enough. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:12:12
  And then it raises the question. Well, will I get married again?
• 1:12:16
  It's like no, I will never get married again.
• 1:12:18
  There's no way I can we come in from and not yeah, you know, and
• 1:12:23
  since we're talking about it, Well I want to bring up another
• 1:12:25
  thing that's relevant. There's a show by Ricky Gervais
• 1:12:29
  stats out of the moment called afterlife.
• 1:12:31
  They're really hyping up for the third season and funnily enough
• 1:12:34
  this actually happens. His wife passes away and the
• 1:12:38
  whole story teaches about, you know, dealing with that trying
• 1:12:42
  to trying to stop himself from basically committing suicide.
• 1:12:45
  I'm soft sure. Yeah and it's obviously, the
• 1:12:46
  title is a play on words, double entendre it's you know, life
• 1:12:50
  afterwards. What is life afterwards?
• 1:12:52
  When your significant other passes?
• 1:12:55
  And so the whole first and second season is that journey of
• 1:12:58
  trying to find purpose trying to find what is that life after
• 1:13:03
  her. And it is only at the very end
• 1:13:07
  of the second season that he eventually sort of decides to
• 1:13:10
  date this person or rather they decide to date him based on his
• 1:13:15
  terms. But he's his terms are very not
• 1:13:19
  a lot of people would really agree to that.
• 1:13:20
  He's basically saying are, you know, I just want it to be how
• 1:13:24
  it is. Right now we're we're just
• 1:13:25
  chatting and it's nice and there's no commitment like he's
• 1:13:28
  not giving her anything. He's not promising her anything,
• 1:13:32
  which to most women is not really in any way, desirable or
• 1:13:37
  what, man, that will not commit in any shape or form, but at the
• 1:13:41
  same time, he's lost his wife. And it's like, you've got to be
• 1:13:45
  compassionate to that. And you've got to be
• 1:13:47
  understanding and I suppose the whole theory behind it is she
• 1:13:51
  starts to date him, she agrees to those terms because maybe
• 1:13:54
  Eventually one day he won't be that way and Hillary's up and
• 1:13:58
  maybe he'll be able to have a relationship with her.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah and you know what is the the general consensus on gervase
• 1:14:06
  over there? I would say polarizing
• 1:14:13
  controversial, depends who you speak.
• 1:14:16
  I mean, the Press have a field day with him all the time
• 1:14:20
  whenever he says anything. They've always been very, it's
• 1:14:24
  very, it's very split. I think I think most people
• 1:14:27
  here, respect that his body of work I think his work has been
• 1:14:31
  very impressive over the years but again it's tricky.
• 1:14:35
  I mean, I remember when Derek came out the There was a lot of
• 1:14:38
  people that were saying he was making fun of people with.
• 1:14:43
  I think it was it was it supposed to be down syndrome or
• 1:14:45
  Autism? I think audiences are.
• 1:14:48
  I think it was autism or or slight retardation.
• 1:14:52
  I don't know what it was, but I know that I am familiar with the
• 1:14:56
  show because, you know, he did the office.
• 1:14:58
  He did extras, he did Derek he did afterlife, I don't know,
• 1:15:01
  like, when I was watching that show it to me, I felt like it
• 1:15:06
  was supposed to be B. Compelling and I don't know, I
• 1:15:12
  liked it. I didn't I didn't feel the way
• 1:15:15
  that everyone else for. I didn't think that he was
• 1:15:17
  mocking autistic people. I thought that the whole point
• 1:15:21
  was to kind of shine a light on that, and I feel like a lot of
• 1:15:25
  the time with Ricky Gervais shins work is, he's always
• 1:15:27
  trying to shine a light on something, teacher message have
• 1:15:29
  a kind of like a fable, a story that kind of thing, you know,
• 1:15:34
  but at the same time, I get a kind of get where people are
• 1:15:37
  coming from. I think that That I can see why
• 1:15:41
  it would be taken as offensive. I think that you couldn't do
• 1:15:44
  that show now. I mean, I think it was risky
• 1:15:46
  then in 2013. But now, I just think you
• 1:15:50
  wouldn't it wouldn't, I don't think it would even be something
• 1:15:53
  that would be promoted or published, or anything, which is
• 1:15:57
  why. I'm surprised that, you know,
• 1:15:59
  even a few years ago, it was still promoted and put on
• 1:16:03
  different platforms as even in the u.s. that brings up a great
• 1:16:08
  point in. I want to get to that in just
• 1:16:09
  one second, but I have one thing before I forget about it is I
• 1:16:12
  love the way that gervase totally took the piss out of
• 1:16:17
  people in Hollywood at the Golden Globes and kind of call
• 1:16:21
  them out, it was all scorers. Wasn't it Oscars?
• 1:16:24
  Know it was it was Golden Gloves.
• 1:16:26
  It was in, definitely not the Oscars but it was the one they
• 1:16:29
  drank at which I think is the Golden Globes.
• 1:16:32
  And, you know, he's calling them out about Weinstein and their
• 1:16:35
  associations with him and it's Great.
• 1:16:38
  Because it is the thing that nobody will talk about is all
• 1:16:41
  these people that are sitting on their moral, high horse about
• 1:16:47
  stuff and then they just whitewash stuff away.
• 1:16:50
  And so I never had an association with him.
• 1:16:52
  It's like no, you work with this guy for 20 years and there's no
• 1:16:56
  way you. You did not know that, but you
• 1:17:00
  brought up Derek and how that probably could not be done
• 1:17:04
  today. In this is where kind of
• 1:17:07
  dancing. A little bit of a delicate area
• 1:17:10
  is, there is a lot of going back and removing things from the
• 1:17:18
  cultural Library, if you will. And I saw, I saw it in a thing
• 1:17:25
  that I didn't expect to see it with is, I was, I was watching
• 1:17:29
  something on HBO Max. And, you know, when you get done
• 1:17:32
  watching something, it gives you like recommendations of other
• 1:17:34
  things that you might want to watch.
• 1:17:36
  And I don't know if you've ever heard of them, Movie Bad
• 1:17:39
  Lieutenant with Harvey Keitel. It's it's okay.
• 1:17:42
  It's not a great movie but it's got one great scene.
• 1:17:45
  It's got this one great scene that is just so crazy.
• 1:17:49
  So I am not going to watch the whole movie.
• 1:17:51
  I just want to watch this 15-minute scene and I go and I
• 1:17:55
  find the scene and I'm watching, I'm watching, I'm watching it in
• 1:17:58
  the scene ends. One, no, no, this.
• 1:18:06
  So then okay. Is this at a different part?
• 1:18:09
  And then I have to go into storage and I find my DVDs and I
• 1:18:14
  pull out the DVD for Bad Lieutenant night.
• 1:18:16
  I put it in my PlayStation and I'm watching it and I go to that
• 1:18:21
  scene. They cut off a 90 second part of
• 1:18:25
  this scene, because it went too far in, this is a movie from The
• 1:18:31
  mid-80s that they went back in the edited apart out of for HBO
• 1:18:37
  now or whatever their streaming services called, and you've seen
• 1:18:40
  it with Gone With the Wind, either removing it.
• 1:18:43
  Then putting a thing on the front end of it.
• 1:18:45
  So there's happen with WWE recently, recently, WWE has sold
• 1:18:52
  the rights to use their sort of library to Peacock.
• 1:18:57
  A provider in the you the, in the US, as I understand, Like
• 1:19:00
  the rest of the world has still has WWE network but in the u.s.
• 1:19:06
  it's with peacock and peak of a basically been going back
• 1:19:09
  through all sorts of stuff and I've been changing it.
• 1:19:12
  So for example as I think I come on, yeah there's a there's a
• 1:19:16
  match where Roddy Piper Rowdy Roddy, Piper faced off against
• 1:19:23
  our common foe who he faced off against at WrestleMania, and he
• 1:19:25
  famously painted his entire body, half black and half white.
• 1:19:30
  Now, actually, if you watch the context of the promo and what
• 1:19:33
  he's trying to say, it's actually a very positive promo
• 1:19:38
  that he's making it about how everyone is equal.
• 1:19:41
  It's ironic because his intention was not bad at all.
• 1:19:46
  It was actually about equality and everything and it was a very
• 1:19:48
  powerful speech, but unfortunately, because of,
• 1:19:52
  obviously the nature of black facing and stuff like that.
• 1:19:55
  It's taken as very racist, which I understand, don't get me
• 1:19:57
  wrong. But, yeah, they've removed. that
• 1:20:01
  and they've removed a lot of other things and I guess my
• 1:20:07
  stance on it is the I'm still kind of making up my mind on it,
• 1:20:14
  but I think that I don't think it's a good idea to, to cover
• 1:20:22
  things up. I think that It's important to
• 1:20:26
  educate people. So for example, I think it would
• 1:20:29
  be worth if you have those shows up in their original form have a
• 1:20:33
  disclaimer throughout the entirety of that section that
• 1:20:37
  says this is historical content. This is know.
• 1:20:42
  You know, this is no longer acceptable in society, blah,
• 1:20:44
  blah, blah, you know, educate people.
• 1:20:46
  It's the same way as like you wouldn't cover up and pretend
• 1:20:50
  like everything in the slave trade didn't happen because its
• 1:20:55
  Tree and it's important stuff to to educate about.
• 1:20:58
  And and I think the reason that it's so important to educate
• 1:21:01
  people and talk about it is because you want to educate
• 1:21:03
  people as to why it was a bad thing and why we don't accept it
• 1:21:07
  as a society and why we've moved forward from that.
• 1:21:10
  I think that when you start to change and rewrite history and
• 1:21:14
  edit things out, you begin to lose progress.
• 1:21:19
  You begin to lose what you what, you're trying to teach people,
• 1:21:23
  you know, those Those who don't remember, history are doomed to
• 1:21:26
  repeat it and you mentioned you mentioned context and context is
• 1:21:30
  really kind of key to that and there's the actual the WWE story
• 1:21:35
  that you're talking about. I think back then it was
• 1:21:36
  actually still the WWF. Yes but two parts of that.
• 1:21:41
  Number one, the the people, some of the other wrestlers actually
• 1:21:45
  made the the paint that he did something that wouldn't wash off
• 1:21:51
  so he had to actually go through the airport with that still.
• 1:21:55
  And he had to wear a hood over, but there's a very famous
• 1:21:59
  episode of the, the original Star Trek, the Star Trek from
• 1:22:03
  the 60s that had this race or this planet that had to part two
• 1:22:09
  races on this planet and one was half black half white and one
• 1:22:13
  was half black half white and that's kind of the same thing.
• 1:22:17
  Is that the next thing that is going to be?
• 1:22:19
  Well, this is going to be removed and also you have to
• 1:22:22
  look at it from the perspective of Entertainment.
• 1:22:26
  No matter what the entertainment it is, is a product of the time
• 1:22:31
  in the societal Norms of when it was created.
• 1:22:34
  And people need to be able to contextualize how to consume
• 1:22:39
  content. And I know we live in a very
• 1:22:41
  YouTube, your perfect example of this world where people want to
• 1:22:45
  consume their things and little five minute 10 minutes seconds,
• 1:22:48
  10 second sound bites, but You go back and you risk showing the
• 1:22:59
  progress that has been made. One of the things that I've seen
• 1:23:03
  over and over and over again, online on message boards and
• 1:23:07
  stuff is how Society has gotten so much worse because of this,
• 1:23:11
  this this and this. And it's true that this, this,
• 1:23:16
  this and this are all terrible things.
• 1:23:19
  But the context that's missing from that statement is This this
• 1:23:24
  this and this was happening two decades ago, but it was so
• 1:23:27
  normalized and nobody cared about it that it wasn't news.
• 1:23:31
  The fact that a light is being shown on some of these things
• 1:23:34
  that are happening is progress, and I know it seems hard too
• 1:23:41
  Rationalize that that this bad thing that happened in that we
• 1:23:45
  know about it. And that people are on trial,
• 1:23:47
  possibly for it is progress, but it is because you look at police
• 1:23:52
  brutality as a whole. Take the whole race angle out of
• 1:23:56
  it. Just look at police brutality as
• 1:23:58
  a whole 15 years ago. Cop beat the crap out of
• 1:24:02
  somebody, they're going to walk, no matter what.
• 1:24:05
  And that is is pretty much not the case anymore.
• 1:24:09
  It still is somewhat. What and with very few examples,
• 1:24:14
  Rodney King would be one unless there was actually a video
• 1:24:19
  recording or, you know, footage of it.
• 1:24:24
  Cops basically had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted.
• 1:24:27
  And that is changing and that is progress.
• 1:24:30
  But people say, well, people are getting killed, we're in a worse
• 1:24:33
  place than we were before. And know people were getting
• 1:24:36
  killed before. It's just we didn't know about
• 1:24:38
  it because it was so common in. Not a And that is kind of what I
• 1:24:43
  had originally said you about news.
• 1:24:46
  I worked in television news for two years, I was behind the
• 1:24:49
  scenes. I was you know one of the people
• 1:24:52
  pointing at cameras counting people down from whether okay
• 1:24:56
  all that kind of stuff. I did some directing I directed
• 1:25:00
  some talk shows actually directed an emmy-winning talk
• 1:25:03
  show you me so I directed and didn't win an Emmy, but the show
• 1:25:07
  won an Emmy for a different episode of self-directed.
• 1:25:10
  An emmy-winning Talk-show, technically correct, which is
• 1:25:12
  the best kind of correct before you can see, I just want to ask
• 1:25:14
  as well. None of this is available
• 1:25:17
  publicly to see your like, for instance, when I looked at your
• 1:25:20
  LinkedIn, I was looking at your work history.
• 1:25:22
  Like none of this is is listed there.
• 1:25:25
  Is that just because you're trying to kind of position your
• 1:25:29
  career, obviously, in a different direction, you're
• 1:25:31
  saying, well this is what my career is.
• 1:25:32
  Now this stuff is not relevant, or is there a different reason
• 1:25:35
  to that? Like so let's do it.
• 1:25:37
  Depends on what your it depends on what you're talking about.
• 1:25:39
  If you're talking about like my Stand up.
• 1:25:42
  No, no specifically the TV work you did.
• 1:25:45
  Oh, this was, you know, this was back in 95. 96, mmm.
• 1:25:50
  And I have some of it. I just have not digitized any of
• 1:25:54
  it or put it up because honestly, it it would be nothing
• 1:25:59
  other than a vanity thing. And okay, fair enough or
• 1:26:03
  something like that, it was in. It's not that I'm ashamed of it.
• 1:26:08
  Not at all. But it's kind of I'd have to
• 1:26:11
  find a VCR which not the easiest thing in the world to do.
• 1:26:15
  Is I just mean I just mean like for instance if you have it on
• 1:26:18
  your LinkedIn no see you just ride it by that.
• 1:26:20
  Then you said a guy I was I worked in TV for this show.
• 1:26:23
  I did this thing I did this thing.
• 1:26:24
  I mean I don't know I suppose if you're looking at it from a
• 1:26:26
  career standpoint, it might kind of make it was so long ago and,
• 1:26:30
  you know, and I've kind of made my bones and it and honestly, I
• 1:26:36
  went to school. I have a degree in film.
• 1:26:39
  I graduated, I started working for A television station doing
• 1:26:42
  television news. And I did that for two years and
• 1:26:45
  after two years, I looked at my path.
• 1:26:48
  I looked at what is my life going to be in five years?
• 1:26:51
  What is my life can be in 10 years and I was 23 years old.
• 1:26:59
  I had an ulcer. I was stressed out, I was
• 1:27:03
  working 60, 70 hours a week so uh to clear Almost twenty Kay a
• 1:27:10
  year and it wasn't sustainable. It wasn't something.
• 1:27:15
  That was I was miserable. I basically, I would get up, go
• 1:27:21
  to work, go to a bar, go to sleep.
• 1:27:23
  That was my day to day. And I looked at somebody who is
• 1:27:27
  in the same position, I had, you know, a couple levels up, who
• 1:27:32
  would had been there for 20 years?
• 1:27:34
  And he was a great guy, but I didn't want to be that guy in 20
• 1:27:37
  years. Hmm.
• 1:27:39
  I had to Pivot and I looked at it from the perspective of What
• 1:27:44
  am I good at? What can I do?
• 1:27:46
  And computers is always been something that I got.
• 1:27:48
  I mean, I had a computer when nobody had computers.
• 1:27:51
  So I went into it and that's kind of where things kind of
• 1:27:56
  changed. I start working for a software
• 1:27:57
  company, they transferred me to the city.
• 1:28:00
  I'm in now, which is Columbus Ohio.
• 1:28:03
  And, you know, it was it was a great move, but as far as that
• 1:28:07
  stuff, it was so long ago and it's completely not relevant to
• 1:28:12
  what I do now. Enough fair enough.
• 1:28:14
  Well okay since we're talking about, I got a couple of
• 1:28:17
  questions here for you regarding this because you remember in our
• 1:28:22
  messages before we agreed to do this podcast, you were quite
• 1:28:25
  like yeah, I want to talk about knit TV news.
• 1:28:27
  I do not like the state of news right now.
• 1:28:29
  So obviously when you were working in TV news back then did
• 1:28:34
  you like the news back? Then in the 90s, did you feel
• 1:28:37
  like it was better then than it is now like talk us through why
• 1:28:41
  you're sort of not happy with the current Date of TV news in
• 1:28:45
  this state. So I don't know how it is.
• 1:28:48
  I have a little bit of exposure to like, BBC News, and I don't
• 1:28:52
  know if that is your standard news outlet, but I know that you
• 1:28:55
  have got what is it? The sun is one of your
• 1:28:59
  newspapers. Yes.
• 1:29:02
  So you and you have like you're right wing Rupert Murdoch
• 1:29:07
  newspapers and I don't know if you have TV that's kind of the
• 1:29:09
  same way but in the u.s. you have like, you have fought News
• 1:29:14
  on the right and then you have everybody else on the left and I
• 1:29:22
  cannot find a US based news organization.
• 1:29:26
  That is not completely slanted. And by the way, why do you think
• 1:29:31
  is more like right wing news outlets in the US?
• 1:29:35
  Because I have to say when Trump got elected and I started to see
• 1:29:38
  that just the numbers of how many supporters he had and and
• 1:29:42
  all that sort of stuff. If, you know, is if there's a
• 1:29:44
  big right wing following in America, I'm surprised there
• 1:29:47
  isn't more news for right-wing people in the states.
• 1:29:50
  Well, that's because facts, kind of has a buttoned-up for the
• 1:29:54
  most part. Okay, there are some smaller
• 1:29:56
  things, like Ben Shapiro as right.
• 1:29:59
  I'm right, the daily wire, I think, or at least he was there
• 1:30:03
  for a time, but it is a thing that you need to establish a
• 1:30:08
  presence with and you're going up against the big dog because
• 1:30:12
  Fox News is the Big thing in cable news, I think generally
• 1:30:18
  they are almost just by themselves, the ratings of CNN,
• 1:30:22
  MSNBC CNBC together. So it would be a tough thing to
• 1:30:27
  try to get in there. So they just have a monopoly.
• 1:30:29
  Then basically says, pretty much.
• 1:30:31
  Yeah, that's the sorry. Okay.
• 1:30:33
  And when I was in news, it was in local news.
• 1:30:36
  So, local news is a little bit different.
• 1:30:38
  And one of my pet peeves is I worked for well, for, when I
• 1:30:43
  Started there, it was a CBS affiliate.
• 1:30:46
  So back then it was CBS, ABC, NBC and fox, and then Fox had
• 1:30:51
  just started as a broadcast network and then fox actually
• 1:30:55
  bought the the station that I work for.
• 1:30:58
  So I worked for a fox affiliate. I did not work for Fox News.
• 1:31:03
  I work for news at a fox station, which is not the same
• 1:31:07
  thing but did it change things drastically?
• 1:31:09
  When that happen? No not at all.
• 1:31:12
  Honestly, other than they were From doing the News 4. 30
• 1:31:17
  minutes here, 30 minutes here, 30 minutes here to doing it.
• 1:31:20
  Two hours here. Two hours here.
• 1:31:22
  Two hours here. Because Fox did not have the
• 1:31:26
  Primetime lineup. They didn't have it every day.
• 1:31:29
  They didn't have the number of hours.
• 1:31:33
  So at that time in the central time zone where I live, it was
• 1:31:37
  the Evening News was at 10:00 because NBC CBS and ABC ran
• 1:31:43
  their Prime Time, programming until 10:00.
• 1:31:45
  Fox only ran into Nine. So local affiliates did a 9:00
• 1:31:50
  to 10:00 news and then at 10:00 to 10:30 news, but it was
• 1:31:55
  interesting. Anytime you work someplace, when
• 1:31:58
  you see behind the scenes and you learn how the sausage is
• 1:32:02
  made, it changes your perspective on things a little
• 1:32:05
  bit. Yeah, I wanted to ask you a
• 1:32:07
  little bit about that, actually were there any things that you
• 1:32:10
  noticed while working in TV news that were maybe like
• 1:32:13
  unprofessional illegal unacceptable, Maybe just
• 1:32:17
  something that the average person might not expect illegal
• 1:32:20
  now, and I don't say that just because I don't want to be sued.
• 1:32:26
  I say that because it's honestly true unprofessional or
• 1:32:29
  absolutely don't give us as some examples of gallows humor.
• 1:32:34
  You know, Gallows humor I don't know if that's a phrase that you
• 1:32:37
  get dark humor Omer based on like really terrible things.
• 1:32:42
  So like okay, for example, if an anchor is between other That's a
• 1:32:47
  commercials are on and he they say something dark to their
• 1:32:50
  co-anchor. Is that kind of what you mean.
• 1:32:52
  Or so. Okay, I'll give you an example.
• 1:32:54
  So back when Challenger blew up in this is before my tenure at
• 1:33:00
  the station but a Gallows, humor joke would be rafter Challenger
• 1:33:04
  blew up. What is NASA stand for?
• 1:33:09
  Needs another Seven astronauts. Okay, because you know, the
• 1:33:14
  Seven astronauts died. So Gallows humor.
• 1:33:17
  Oh wow. Okay so and when I am in a big
• 1:33:24
  chunk of the time I was there was during the o.j.
• 1:33:26
  Simpson trial. Uh-huh.
• 1:33:28
  And I actually directed almost all my stations cut-ins for the
• 1:33:33
  o.j. Simpson trial.
• 1:33:34
  So I watched 90% of the trial and we actually had the the
• 1:33:39
  courtroom feed the unedited feed.
• 1:33:42
  From La. So we saw like all the evidence
• 1:33:45
  photos and like, all of the grizzly crap.
• 1:33:49
  Oh wow, but but it was a lot of like just Gallows humor and it's
• 1:33:53
  like a things like, did you know that in the trial, they actually
• 1:33:58
  talked about how the bodies were moved after they were killed.
• 1:34:04
  Yeah, they were moved three times for seven yards to
• 1:34:08
  football joke you know because o.j.
• 1:34:10
  Simpson was a running back Jesus.
• 1:34:13
  No but just a lot of gallows humor and God and a lot of it is
• 1:34:17
  in the control room and you know you're wearing a headset when
• 1:34:20
  you're on the floor and your floor directing and you're
• 1:34:22
  pointing at cameras and you will be trying not to laugh about
• 1:34:26
  stuff. And there will be flubs that
• 1:34:30
  somebody will say like one of the anchors will say where they
• 1:34:33
  don't. Lives what they just said and
• 1:34:36
  you are trying hard not to laugh because you do not want them to
• 1:34:40
  start laughing. I was working on a Morning Show
• 1:34:43
  and this female anchor was talking about a traffic accident
• 1:34:47
  and she said the car was driving the left-hand Lane and saw a
• 1:34:50
  truck and then jerked off the highway way and I'm just killing
• 1:34:54
  okay. Did she really just say jerked
• 1:34:55
  off on the news? I mean that's not the worst word
• 1:34:58
  to use. I get what she meant, you know.
• 1:35:00
  Yeah. But it's a phrase in, you know,
• 1:35:02
  these are There was things that were unprofessional.
• 1:35:06
  And then, I think, probably the most unprofessional thing in the
• 1:35:09
  entire time was the, when we switched over from CBS to Fox,
• 1:35:14
  we had this huge party at the station and that's always a bad
• 1:35:19
  idea. And it what party is the party
• 1:35:22
  was going on during like the workday, and when the news is
• 1:35:27
  on, and all of us who had been at the party, had to go work on
• 1:35:31
  the news and every One of us was just loaded.
• 1:35:36
  Oh my God. What was the news like that day?
• 1:35:39
  Did you? I do not together.
• 1:35:45
  Drunk. I don't know.
• 1:35:47
  You do things enough times. It's like you do it almost on
• 1:35:50
  autopilot. I mean, I've edited many a
• 1:35:54
  podcast. I don't know why.
• 1:35:57
  Yo? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:58
  So they had to do the new, what? The Evening News drunk off their
• 1:36:01
  face. Yep.
• 1:36:02
  Yeah. How did they do that?
• 1:36:04
  How can you be on TV and, and pull off, not being drunk?
• 1:36:08
  I'm sorry. Like what?
• 1:36:10
  We just switch to Fox. Nobody was watching anyway.
• 1:36:13
  I knew you were gonna say that but still come on.
• 1:36:19
  So we're like standards and practices different than like I
• 1:36:22
  mean I imagine if you did something like that now you'd be
• 1:36:25
  like well I don't think anybody could really tell honestly, I
• 1:36:29
  mean there might have been a little bit of a slurred word
• 1:36:31
  here and there, but I think that the worst part of it was is
• 1:36:38
  there is there was talent and non talent and Talent is
• 1:36:43
  everybody that's in front of the camera and then non Talent is
• 1:36:47
  every way that's behind the camera.
• 1:36:49
  And yeah, I've always disagreed with that.
• 1:36:51
  I think that's absolute nonsense.
• 1:36:53
  If you ever work on Films TV shows, whatever, like, it's a
• 1:36:56
  group effort to sit to cool. It the fact that they refer to
• 1:37:00
  it as Talent, Alex, I just seen that such BS because because the
• 1:37:04
  actors I know, obviously we're talking about TV industry, but
• 1:37:07
  still the actors they have it fairly easy, like I was an extra
• 1:37:12
  on them. Tena via.
• 1:37:14
  Oh, okay, right. And I can tell you now that the
• 1:37:17
  actors got to spend the whole day, you know, and trailer and
• 1:37:21
  the trailers, you know, I mean, which okay, it kind of sucks in
• 1:37:24
  the sense that they can't go anywhere.
• 1:37:25
  Can't do anything. But, you know, you know what
• 1:37:27
  their trailers going to be like, where's the rest of us are on
• 1:37:30
  set. Like, I kid, you not 16 plus
• 1:37:33
  hours a day and yes, the rumors are true.
• 1:37:35
  Nolan does not provide seating for extras.
• 1:37:39
  So you're sitting around, I was often sitting around on like the
• 1:37:42
  cold hard floor. Floor or like benches.
• 1:37:44
  If there were any and we were just there 16 hours a day for
• 1:37:49
  like two weeks, just mostly not being used so to say, oh, it's
• 1:37:55
  and and that's the thing. That sounds difficult enough
• 1:37:58
  doesn't it waiting around to start but then you watch the
• 1:38:01
  people actually doing the cameras and the lying in.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah, exactly. Those people that I remembered
• 1:38:07
  bless her heart. The person who did the clothes
• 1:38:11
  costume designer or whatever, right?
• 1:38:13
  He told me that literally, she did not sleep, most of the time,
• 1:38:17
  like, like the hours were, like 18 hours a day and then you had
• 1:38:20
  to start the next day at like 4 a.m. or something.
• 1:38:23
  So, she would literally, you find a like, if she could try
• 1:38:26
  and sleep during a day, she would do it.
• 1:38:28
  And a lot of the other stuff would, as well when there was
• 1:38:31
  just a blip in the day where they could get away with that,
• 1:38:33
  because they're just constantly on it.
• 1:38:36
  You just have to constantly be on it, on it on it, and it's
• 1:38:38
  just brutal. Yeah, I was in a movie with
• 1:38:42
  Julianne Moore. Or in Jonathan Rhys Meyers who
• 1:38:45
  and you know who Jonathan Rhys Meyers is no, but I know who
• 1:38:48
  Julianne Moore's, very, very short in person.
• 1:38:53
  And it was, we were filming in Pittsburgh at night.
• 1:38:57
  In the rain, we were outside for like, six hours in in the rain
• 1:39:02
  at like midnight 2:00 in the morning, and it was miserable,
• 1:39:06
  but it was Julianne Moore and Jonathan, Rhys Meyers was the
• 1:39:11
  the male star for this movie and They told us do not talk to them
• 1:39:15
  unless they talk to you, do not approach them, do not do
• 1:39:19
  anything. So guys like the like the like
• 1:39:22
  the pope or something I can but my one was at this landing on
• 1:39:27
  this staircase, the staircase came down, had a landing and
• 1:39:29
  then had another one and so I'm standing in this Landing in
• 1:39:32
  Jonathan, Rhys Meyers is coming down and I go up to him and I
• 1:39:37
  hug him. And everybody starts freaking
• 1:39:40
  out like what the hell is going on?
• 1:39:42
  We specifically told everybody not to do anything and I whisper
• 1:39:47
  in his ear, your fly's, open and hahaha.
• 1:39:51
  What? Legend you are and he's he's
• 1:39:54
  like, looks down. He zips up.
• 1:39:55
  He's like thank you so much. Nobody would have told me that
• 1:39:58
  and then later during a break, he came over and we had we had a
• 1:40:01
  smoke together and it was just kind of a cool thing because he
• 1:40:04
  was a real decent guy. I didn't really talk to Julian
• 1:40:08
  more other than she That high and that was it, but she was
• 1:40:11
  beautiful, very short, but just gorgeous in person.
• 1:40:16
  Awesome. Awesome.
• 1:40:18
  Oh, yeah. So it's a little bit more about
• 1:40:20
  the TV news situation. So like I said in the messages
• 1:40:29
  before you sounded quite Annoyed maybe is the way to put it.
• 1:40:35
  I don't know if your hair like your kind of annoyed at the
• 1:40:38
  situation right now with with Hal news is in the media.
• 1:40:42
  You obviously you mentioned before.
• 1:40:43
  There's a slant, there's bias. I remember us talking about that
• 1:40:46
  in the in the messages and I agree with that, you know,
• 1:40:50
  there's a lot of dice very difficult to find kind of
• 1:40:54
  factual news these days. It's the same in the UK.
• 1:40:57
  We've got the exact same thing here.
• 1:40:59
  BBC is typically just whichever government.
• 1:41:03
  Is in at the time. The rest of the day goes to a
• 1:41:09
  page 3 girls there or is that gone away?
• 1:41:12
  I think we still do. Yeah, I think so.
• 1:41:15
  I'm not sure I'd I don't need the sun because it's trash.
• 1:41:18
  So, yeah, I've never been to the UK by just, you know, when I was
• 1:41:22
  younger, that was like a thing. It's got page 3 of this
• 1:41:24
  newspaper. They have topless women every
• 1:41:26
  day. It's just bizarre.
• 1:41:28
  I like I remember growing up with that thinking.
• 1:41:30
  Oh, that's kind of funny but now I'm like, that's bizarre.
• 1:41:33
  Azar. Why is that thing weird?
• 1:41:35
  He's weird, isn't it? And, you know, the weirdest
• 1:41:38
  thing is a lot of those women who are very young.
• 1:41:41
  Like, I mean. Okay.
• 1:41:43
  For example, the legal age of sex here in the UK is 16 which
• 1:41:48
  I've always fought super creepy because if you're like 30 years
• 1:41:52
  old or 40 years old, you can date a sixteen-year-old and
• 1:41:55
  that's totally okay. Well, I'm not okay with that.
• 1:41:58
  But many of the girls, as I understand who've been on the
• 1:42:02
  front page free. I'm not 100% sure.
• 1:42:04
  I could be wrong on this, but they've definitely been 18 year
• 1:42:07
  olds on there, but there could have possibly been younger, like
• 1:42:11
  16 year olds. I'm not 100% sure on that.
• 1:42:14
  Yeah, they have what's called Romeo and Juliet laws in some
• 1:42:18
  states. Here, in the US where age of
• 1:42:21
  consent would be 16 but it's only 16 if you're within two or
• 1:42:26
  three years of that. So a 19 year old can data 16
• 1:42:29
  year old but a 20 year old Camp data 16 year old.
• 1:42:32
  And that makes a little a bit less creepy, it is, but I think
• 1:42:36
  it's just pointless. I think the stupid you might as
• 1:42:38
  well just have a universal law where we all agree.
• 1:42:41
  Okay. By this age you're an adult and
• 1:42:43
  this is reasonable to date anyone above.
• 1:42:46
  I think it's really true for everything.
• 1:42:47
  It's like if you're an adult, you're an adult and it shouldn't
• 1:42:49
  be. Well, it's 18.
• 1:42:52
  You're an adult. Yes.
• 1:42:53
  In 21 to drink. Yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:42:56
  I does. So is such nonsense here in the
• 1:42:58
  UK. It's the same thing.
• 1:42:59
  It's like yeah. 16 for sex. I think you can join the Army at
• 1:43:02
  16. But then possibly driving, I
• 1:43:05
  think 16 as well. But then there's other things
• 1:43:08
  where you have to be 8000. Drinking you have to be 18, some
• 1:43:11
  clubs, you have to be like 21, summer, even have to be 25.
• 1:43:14
  Like, where's the sense in that? Like yeah, lot of time when I
• 1:43:18
  look at the states and I'd see that like a lot of the things
• 1:43:21
  would just be 21. I used to think.
• 1:43:22
  Okay, maybe that is a little bit over the board but you know
• 1:43:25
  what, at least it's consistent and like everything around.
• 1:43:28
  That is consistently. You have to be 21 to pretty much
• 1:43:30
  do anything. And to be honest over the years
• 1:43:32
  since I've graduated, Grown-up and I've sort of approach my
• 1:43:35
  late 20s. I look back and I look at myself
• 1:43:37
  at 21 and I think you know what that's a more reasonable ways to
• 1:43:40
  say. I'm an adult now and even then
• 1:43:42
  your twenties, it's a mess, but at least you're responsible.
• 1:43:46
  I think that's the issue, isn't it?
• 1:43:48
  Like, can you really say that sixteen-year-old is responsible
• 1:43:51
  and can make sensible decisions for their life and everything
• 1:43:55
  and who they associate with, I am not so sure.
• 1:43:57
  I do I swear, I'm gonna get back to your question, but you
• 1:44:01
  brought up something that is really kind of At peeve of mine
• 1:44:04
  is in. This is a u.s. thing.
• 1:44:06
  I don't know if they do it other places, but you can be charged
• 1:44:10
  as an adult for a crime at. Like the age of 13, you can be
• 1:44:16
  charged as an adult for like certain crimes.
• 1:44:18
  Not for crimes, in general, but there are certain crimes, that
• 1:44:22
  if you are above 16, you will always be charged as an adult.
• 1:44:25
  And I think that's wrong because I think that you're an adult or
• 1:44:27
  you're not and my thought is, okay, so let's say you are 15
• 1:44:32
  years old. And you get charged for murder
• 1:44:36
  and you didn't do it. Hopefully.
• 1:44:38
  But you are acquitted, you're found not guilty.
• 1:44:43
  When you walk out of court, are you now legally an adult?
• 1:44:46
  And you can do all adult things? Because if you were considered
• 1:44:49
  an adult in the eyes of the law for this, you should be
• 1:44:52
  considered an adult for everything.
• 1:44:55
  There shouldn't be a differentiation.
• 1:44:56
  It's, if you are mature enough to understand and be responsible
• 1:45:00
  for this for a crime, then you should be responsible enough to
• 1:45:05
  vote or to do whatever. I don't think that, I don't
• 1:45:09
  think that's fair. It's it's, you know, Well for
• 1:45:12
  this, it's this but for that, it's that but you talked about
• 1:45:17
  the news and you know how it's not just what you say it's how
• 1:45:24
  you say it really makes a difference, it's the tonality.
• 1:45:27
  And as someone who is, you know, a person that is often in front
• 1:45:32
  of a microphone talking to people, you know, that I can be
• 1:45:36
  talking my pretty good, dude, you're a dick or I can be
• 1:45:39
  talking about something, he's a dick and that Tone.
• 1:45:43
  That even though I'm seeing the same thing, it is different
• 1:45:47
  based on how I'm saying it. And I noticed this a ton with
• 1:45:52
  the news is it is just open contempt that they with the way
• 1:45:59
  that they say things, not necessarily even with the words
• 1:46:02
  but with the, the tone behind it, and As someone who worked in
• 1:46:08
  news, the news should be should be the news.
• 1:46:13
  It should be the facts. It should not be Matt's opinion
• 1:46:17
  or Christians opinion on what's going on.
• 1:46:19
  It should be, these are what the facts are and that's like
• 1:46:23
  journalism 101 and that seems to have gone away.
• 1:46:27
  And these are not local people. These are national news anchors
• 1:46:31
  for major networks that are doing this, and there was a
• 1:46:35
  thing I saw We're one of, if somebody on CNN, and it was
• 1:46:41
  either CNN, or BBC, doesn't really matter, but they were
• 1:46:43
  talking about how Joe Biden had not given a press conference as
• 1:46:47
  yet in so many days into his term as president.
• 1:46:52
  And they said, well, you know, he might not have given any
• 1:46:55
  press conferences, but at least he hasn't lied every day to us
• 1:46:58
  like the last president did. And I thought that was very,
• 1:47:01
  very unprofessional. Yeah, a newscaster to say, I
• 1:47:07
  must agree with you. The yeah, like I I don't want to
• 1:47:11
  hear opinions from newscast that reporters not unless like the
• 1:47:16
  person if they're doing an interview as yet no any kind of
• 1:47:20
  an interview I've noticed this over the years.
• 1:47:23
  Like there's the famous example of Jordan Peterson and the
• 1:47:27
  British anchor on Channel 4. I can't remember her name.
• 1:47:32
  If it's sort of Seems to be missing my mind at the moment,
• 1:47:36
  but she came onto that with an agenda and she was trying to
• 1:47:40
  kind of catch him out and obviously famously, he sort of,
• 1:47:44
  was able to respectfully Dodge that kind of, you know, no.
• 1:47:48
  I mean, he didn't make her a fall or anything.
• 1:47:50
  He was able to just kind of say, hey, we're not this, we're not
• 1:47:53
  doing this. This is what we doing here.
• 1:47:58
  But yeah, like Channel 4 has always been presented as a very
• 1:48:01
  kind of professional News Channel, but use you There as
• 1:48:04
  well. And it's disappointing II.
• 1:48:07
  Can't actually find any British news outlets that are truly
• 1:48:13
  right down the middle. I mean there is some satirical
• 1:48:15
  ones, there's private II which is pretty good and it seems to
• 1:48:18
  be kind of in the middle for the most pie or a seems to be more
• 1:48:22
  about holding the government accountable for what they do.
• 1:48:25
  And it seems to be consistent across every single government.
• 1:48:29
  But yeah, there doesn't seem to be like a news Outlet that's
• 1:48:31
  purely, professional with no bias.
• 1:48:34
  Opinions. And like you say not using that
• 1:48:36
  kind of deliberate tonality. And here's another thing I
• 1:48:41
  stopped watching the news when I was Young kid I was probably 10
• 1:48:47
  11 because I realized it everything on the news is 100% -
• 1:48:53
  and it's designed to just legally.
• 1:48:55
  It's yeah, it's basic but it's supposed to terrify you.
• 1:48:58
  I'm surprised people don't people that watch the news
• 1:49:00
  regularly. I'm surprised they don't go out
• 1:49:02
  and kill themselves afterwards because it's just so depressing.
• 1:49:06
  Like I remember when I used to watch the news growing up as a
• 1:49:09
  kid, the only time I ever noticed that it would be in any
• 1:49:12
  point like positive. Would be if it, occasionally,
• 1:49:16
  we'd have a thing where it would switch to local news towards the
• 1:49:18
  end of the evening when the news was winding down.
• 1:49:22
  So you get like half an hour maybe of local stories in your
• 1:49:27
  area and like the final five minutes, maybe they'd be up,
• 1:49:30
  five minutes, wear something nice would happen like a local
• 1:49:33
  charity or something, but literally it be like five
• 1:49:35
  minutes, everything else would be negative and it any will be
• 1:49:38
  across everything. I'd be like, fear about the
• 1:49:40
  markets fear about where the economy is going fear about.
• 1:49:44
  What the government might do in their latest budget or plan or
• 1:49:48
  press conference or whatever, and fear about what's going on
• 1:49:51
  in the Middle East and just fear about terrorism home security.
• 1:49:55
  Like it literally, everything they can even in the situation.
• 1:50:00
  And, you know, the Americas been guilty, this England's bagillion
• 1:50:04
  this where they don't have any information, all they have is
• 1:50:09
  just a running feed of something about someone or, you know, and
• 1:50:13
  like I was watching This is weird but I was watching news
• 1:50:18
  from years ago earlier. Just it was there's a guy in the
• 1:50:21
  UK called Charlie Brooker who is quite famous for being the
• 1:50:25
  creator of the Black Mirror series.
• 1:50:27
  You might okay? Okay sure I knew enter the name.
• 1:50:30
  So he's he, he created that he directs that and produces that.
• 1:50:34
  But he also produces these things in the, you call used to,
• 1:50:37
  in the UK called news, wipe. Where he would just kind of
• 1:50:41
  satirically destroy everything in the media and make a Fast of
• 1:50:45
  it and it was hilarious but it's really intelligently done.
• 1:50:48
  And he did one where he was talking about this football
• 1:50:50
  player from the early 2010's called, John Terry.
• 1:50:54
  Who at the time was a captain of England.
• 1:50:58
  The football team and he'd had some sort of an affair or
• 1:51:02
  something. I don't know.
• 1:51:03
  I don't really care but you had an affair and the media was all
• 1:51:07
  over it, but basically there was a super injunction that have
• 1:51:10
  been put out at the time, which is a court order which prevents
• 1:51:13
  everyone. In the Press from being able to
• 1:51:15
  report on it. But when they were able to
• 1:51:19
  report on it, the media was having a field day like
• 1:51:22
  printing, just rubbish about him speculation and everything.
• 1:51:26
  But all the news programs we treating this like this was some
• 1:51:29
  major national event of interest to everyone and but they didn't
• 1:51:34
  have any new information for about a week.
• 1:51:38
  Basically the England Captain was obviously doing training and
• 1:51:42
  you know just being followed. By them constantly.
• 1:51:45
  So they'd be like watching him through the trees where he was
• 1:51:48
  training like China, Sea, or what's going on?
• 1:51:51
  John Terry's, got into his car, what's going on?
• 1:51:52
  What's going on, what's in this thoughts, or this, right?
• 1:51:55
  But then the England manager at the time was had like a broken
• 1:51:59
  leg or saying he was away getting it fixed.
• 1:52:01
  And basically what it was leading to his him and John
• 1:52:04
  Terry would eventually me and then he would get fired as
• 1:52:07
  England Captain because of that because it's, you know, not
• 1:52:09
  professional. But but that whole entire week
• 1:52:13
  of waiting between You know, when it initially broke and then
• 1:52:17
  when they eventually had that meeting and then and the outcome
• 1:52:20
  of that was just literally a week of rubbish, there was just
• 1:52:23
  debates on those TV shows or news shows.
• 1:52:27
  If you can call it that, where they're going, all yes we are.
• 1:52:29
  We don't know if this is very professional.
• 1:52:31
  If this man can lead our country and that there are treating like
• 1:52:34
  football as though it's some major battle which is just
• 1:52:37
  ridiculous. But yeah, the whole thing this
• 1:52:40
  just isn't silly and it was a it made me on many different levels
• 1:52:43
  because On one level. It's like, why is this news?
• 1:52:47
  Why is this important secondly how can they string this out for
• 1:52:52
  a week and not give you any information at all?
• 1:52:56
  But they're just they're speculating and just going that
• 1:52:59
  they were at one point they were talking specifically about
• 1:53:01
  there's there's a feeling of mounting pressure on John.
• 1:53:04
  Terry there's a feeling of mounting pressure and it's like
• 1:53:07
  there wasn't any pressure. They're just making this up.
• 1:53:10
  They just have nothing to work with but this is all time.
• 1:53:13
  Yeah, this is the biggest story. The moment but there's literally
• 1:53:15
  no in new information but they know they have to say something.
• 1:53:18
  So this is what they come up with.
• 1:53:20
  Yeah, when something major happens think about like like
• 1:53:24
  when Columbia broke up gosh, I'm referencing both shuttle,
• 1:53:28
  disasters or 9/11 9/11 happened, they were just stretching to
• 1:53:33
  fill time when they knew absolutely nothing and it was
• 1:53:38
  literally an entire days worth of news that had about five
• 1:53:42
  minutes worth of information in that.
• 1:53:44
  They would have video, they would bring in this person.
• 1:53:47
  But you know what at least with 9/11 like that was actually a
• 1:53:51
  matter of public interest and it was a real story.
• 1:53:53
  Well yeah. And I'd like to me just
• 1:53:55
  somebody's dirty laundry that there's no public.
• 1:53:57
  Yeah. Like that was legitness.
• 1:53:59
  And you know what? Like there wouldn't have been
• 1:54:01
  that to me, that's news. That's what you need to hear
• 1:54:04
  about. There's been a major incident.
• 1:54:06
  Here are the facts. Here's what's going on.
• 1:54:08
  Here's the live situation and it generally is fine.
• 1:54:11
  If there's no new updates in like two hours, I'm not angry at
• 1:54:14
  that. That's what news should be if
• 1:54:15
  it's on a 24-hour scale and it's being updated like it is fine.
• 1:54:19
  You know you just keep checking in and out in and out and you do
• 1:54:22
  what you can you just keep you. Do you can't like the one thing
• 1:54:26
  I will commend news networks for always they always tend to bring
• 1:54:28
  in people that they find a relevant to the situation.
• 1:54:31
  So I can do local locals on the scene or like a reporter that's
• 1:54:35
  near the scene or, you know, maybe some sort of a person who
• 1:54:40
  works in industry or something. Like they're always bring on
• 1:54:42
  people, that they know relevant in some shape or Foreman and
• 1:54:45
  they use that to fill, and sometimes, they bring invaluable
• 1:54:49
  Insight, sometimes they don't, you know, it depends on the
• 1:54:51
  situation. But you had talked about how
• 1:54:53
  it's like bad, bad, bad, bad bad, and then something good at
• 1:54:57
  the tail end of a newscast, that's by Design.
• 1:54:59
  Yeah. And and there is actually a word
• 1:55:01
  for, and I can't remember it because it's been so long, but
• 1:55:03
  it was like murder murder, murder, bad weather, our sports
• 1:55:07
  team lost. Here are puppies.
• 1:55:09
  And it was the last thing in the newscast was always kind of like
• 1:55:13
  a nice happy. Eight thing to end it on.
• 1:55:16
  And that was something that was by Design.
• 1:55:19
  But surely, like, like I said before, it's enough to make one,
• 1:55:23
  you just go out feeling depressed.
• 1:55:25
  I mean even if you did see that, last little light hides thought,
• 1:55:28
  you're not going to forget about all of the things, all my sports
• 1:55:30
  team lost, it's unsafe to go out my house because everyone's
• 1:55:33
  getting murdered. Like, how can you, how can you
• 1:55:36
  watch that? And then come away thinking,
• 1:55:38
  everything is right in the world.
• 1:55:40
  Like you can't think about it at work like that.
• 1:55:42
  You can't do something. That's probably one of the
• 1:55:43
  reasons why Why I stopped stopped watching the news after
• 1:55:47
  like when I left the industry, just because I knew how it was
• 1:55:51
  done and I saw it. We get feet for you is works as
• 1:55:53
  the, why would you watch work? Like the other part was, you
• 1:55:58
  asked about unethical and this is an unethical, but it's kind
• 1:56:00
  of interesting. Is we have in a given City, no
• 1:56:04
  matter what city it is, you will have multiple television
• 1:56:07
  stations and they all have their individual news crews.
• 1:56:09
  And, you know, they repeat, they repeat, they compete for Ratings
• 1:56:13
  against each other in the channel.
• 1:56:14
  Is number one channel, 6 is number one, and they're trying
• 1:56:17
  to be the number one broadcast network in central Ohio.
• 1:56:21
  And what is happened, both places that I've lived in the
• 1:56:26
  last 30 years, where something happens with a person that works
• 1:56:32
  at one of the stations where somebody that works at a local
• 1:56:36
  news station gets embroiled in some kind of controversy or gets
• 1:56:41
  arrested and it's it's interesting.
• 1:56:44
  Those are the few times that I will make a point to actually
• 1:56:47
  watch the news because as you see how this one coverage covers
• 1:56:50
  it versus because in where I live I think it was the weather
• 1:56:54
  guy got caught with child porn about a year ago.
• 1:56:57
  My God Jesus and his station, they mentioned it, the other
• 1:57:04
  stations, they LED with it and they were just like
• 1:57:14
  Unprofessional Network continued when they've got a guy working
• 1:57:17
  for them. That does this, like, is that
• 1:57:18
  kind of the theory? Exactly.
• 1:57:20
  And they have a lot of the commercials and I know
• 1:57:23
  commercials work, very, very differently in the UK, but a lot
• 1:57:27
  of the commercials are Auto loaded there, they're done by a
• 1:57:29
  computer and now it's probably different because it's been
• 1:57:31
  several decades since I was involved but you don't load up a
• 1:57:35
  commercial. It's just run by a computer and
• 1:57:37
  they have like a loop of tapes that they'll play this
• 1:57:40
  particular Bay and yeah and you have these promo Those that are
• 1:57:45
  caught by individual, you know, Talent on air talent for a given
• 1:57:48
  station, and it will just run in in between commercials, for
• 1:57:51
  example, and the station, I was working at a guy died.
• 1:57:56
  One of our main anchors died, and they forgot to pull one of
• 1:58:01
  his promos and people just live in New York and I'm assuming
• 1:58:07
  we're sitting in the control room because we're between shows
• 1:58:10
  and you know, we have the monitor up and stuff and I see
• 1:58:13
  that kind of play. On the Monitor and like, yeah
• 1:58:16
  I'm leaving for like the next 20 minutes because I'm not going to
• 1:58:18
  be here for the the absolute screaming match that is coming
• 1:58:23
  on the hall right now. So back then like I guess you
• 1:58:25
  just got like a ton of email emails I suppose.
• 1:58:29
  Yeah, email was really kind of Cutting Edge at that point.
• 1:58:33
  I mean I had an email address for locals phone calls that
• 1:58:36
  phone calls. Yeah, yeah, won't cost fax fax.
• 1:58:40
  People still use facts that blows my mind IRS does I Got I
• 1:58:44
  did it a couple years ago and I had to send them stuff via fax.
• 1:58:48
  Oh my God, that takes the piss. And it's like, okay, well first
• 1:58:52
  let me find my time machine so I can go into it's a fax machine
• 1:58:55
  anymore. Like what?
• 1:58:56
  Fortunately, the printer I had I had to actually find it plugged
• 1:59:00
  my printer into my phone line because in a lot of people don't
• 1:59:03
  even have phone lines anymore. It just blows my mind, like,
• 1:59:12
  okay, at least you'll be going to use old.
• 1:59:14
  See Stims provide new ones that the world uses like.
• 1:59:19
  I mean, if come on, man, fax is secure, I'll give it that
• 1:59:25
  effect. I didn't, I'm not, I'm not that
• 1:59:27
  I've got nothing against facts, people still want to use it.
• 1:59:29
  Great like fantastic, but at least provide people, the option
• 1:59:33
  of, you know, email phone. I don't like we have this same
• 1:59:37
  issue in the UK and let's, let's move on from politics and took
• 1:59:40
  out your step. One for you.
• 1:59:42
  Yes, you want one for you? Are you going?
• 1:59:44
  Yeah, let's go favorite Bond, that's tough.
• 1:59:58
  I'm split kanaka. Make a choice for me.
• 2:00:01
  It's between Sean Connery and Roger Moore.
• 2:00:04
  It's I mean Connery had the look and the Swagger But then Roger
• 2:00:12
  Moore had the Charisma so ice and he's good-looking mad as
• 2:00:17
  well. You know you look the part.
• 2:00:19
  Yeah it's a very austere toss-up between those two.
• 2:00:21
  Very tough. Okay.
• 2:00:23
  So Cal my least favorite I'm all of them.
• 2:00:25
  Yeah there's a lot of people say that interesting.
• 2:00:28
  I really wish he had gotten a longer run and had better
• 2:00:33
  scripts but love Timothy Dalton. Yeah he only had like one to
• 2:00:39
  two. He had He was 80's Bond,
• 2:00:42
  basically wasn't. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:00:44
  And that was when they were trying to make him a little bit,
• 2:00:46
  less of a Playboy type thing and it didn't work.
• 2:00:52
  But I really like the new will forever be womanizing.
• 2:00:56
  Yeah. And that's the thing.
• 2:00:57
  Well, until he regenerates as Jodie, Whittaker.
• 2:01:02
  So that's, you know, say what doctor Jodie Whittaker became
• 2:01:07
  Doctor Who, you know, same kind of thing.
• 2:01:08
  There's been a that will never happen.
• 2:01:11
  There's been a big push to either make bond a woman or
• 2:01:15
  tomato oil Bond Idris Elba, which, that could happen.
• 2:01:19
  Yeah. And he, the only problem is I
• 2:01:21
  think he's a little too old for it at this point, he and spun.
• 2:01:26
  This is for he's, man, I think it yourself.
• 2:01:30
  I mean, it's more to do with physicality.
• 2:01:33
  Yeah, he's definitely got that on his side.
• 2:01:35
  Yeah, and the thing that's amazing about Idris Elba.
• 2:01:37
  To me is I was introduced to him with the wire and He was playing
• 2:01:42
  somebody, a native of Baltimore and he's obviously from the UK.
• 2:01:47
  So the first time I heard him speak in his natural voice, it's
• 2:01:50
  just whoa, and there's another guy we're good at doing that.
• 2:01:54
  I can do American accents as well.
• 2:01:55
  It's interesting how we're able to do your accents, but then
• 2:01:58
  when American should have a partner, you know what, I could
• 2:02:01
  probably count on my fingers, how many American actors?
• 2:02:05
  I've heard that have done a convincing.
• 2:02:08
  Good British action. There's only healing and Person
• 2:02:13
  who's she? She was Scully in The X Files?
• 2:02:17
  Yeah, I'll give you that, but she actually lived Mama Kay for
• 2:02:20
  a long time. I'm not saying there aren't any.
• 2:02:21
  I'm there's a vent. Renee Zellweger is a very good
• 2:02:25
  example that they do exist. It's just that the vast majority
• 2:02:31
  versus British actors that can do America.
• 2:02:33
  I mean, there's so many actors here.
• 2:02:35
  It can do good American accents quite convincingly?
• 2:02:39
  It's amazing. I don't know.
• 2:02:41
  I I got, I got one last question then you can run through years,
• 2:02:45
  but I know we're going really long.
• 2:02:47
  Here is what's your opinion of Phoebe Waller Bridge?
• 2:02:52
  There's a fleabag, she's huge here.
• 2:02:57
  She's from there she is a actress writer director.
• 2:03:04
  She did fleabag, she did the show about squatting in former
• 2:03:09
  u-k hospital. She was she played the robot
• 2:03:13
  companion in Solo. She's got a weird mole on her
• 2:03:17
  face. She's a famous UK actress.
• 2:03:24
  But I don't know. Okay, well then you don't have
• 2:03:27
  any you can easy enough, so back to you.
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  Yeah, I just wanted to ask you about your stand-up comedy
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  career. Obviously, we touched on it a
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  little bit before, but I wanted to kind of ask, like, how did
• 2:03:40
  you get into comedy and what do you like about comedy?
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  So when I was a kid growing up, I was in speech therapy.
• 2:03:49
  And there are to this day. There are certain words that I
• 2:03:52
  cannot say, I just do not have the ability to say them.
• 2:03:55
  If you ask me what words, I will tell you.
• 2:03:57
  I don't know because I can't say them but it was always in my
• 2:04:00
  head that cause I had a stutter and I still have a slight
• 2:04:03
  stutter when I get nervous or really amped up.
• 2:04:06
  I will, I will stutter a little bit and that was always in the
• 2:04:10
  back of my head and one of the things that kind of helped with
• 2:04:14
  that was I ended up being an instructor.
• 2:04:16
  A teacher for software where I teach They classes on how to use
• 2:04:20
  different software packages and you're in front of a group for
• 2:04:24
  two days. Basically, you kind of have to
• 2:04:26
  get over yourself, to be able to talk, but the same time, you're,
• 2:04:30
  you're working more or less off of a can script, and you're not
• 2:04:33
  doing your own thing. We were at a, my roommate and I
• 2:04:37
  were at a local comedy club here, and they had these little
• 2:04:40
  flyers on the the table saying, you think you're funny, you
• 2:04:44
  know, prove it come out to that at that data.
• 2:04:46
  And, you know, very much bravado, Say oh I can do that
• 2:04:51
  and he's like okay prove it like sure you know dial it up, call
• 2:04:56
  it and say okay yeah I want to do this, they gave me a slot and
• 2:05:02
  comedy is interesting in that it is different.
• 2:05:05
  There's so many different approaches.
• 2:05:06
  There's no right way to do it the way I do.
• 2:05:08
  It is wrong, but there's no right way to do it and I can get
• 2:05:11
  into why the way I do it is wrong.
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  Please do. But I went, I went in, you know,
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  I wrote my, I wrote my set. Had it done.
• 2:05:20
  I went out and crushed it. I mean just nailed it and it is
• 2:05:26
  it is the coolest feeling in the world when you are in a packed
• 2:05:29
  comedy club and the crowd is in your hand and, you know, you
• 2:05:34
  have them and you're just working.
• 2:05:36
  The crowd is such a great feeling flip side of that is
• 2:05:40
  when you're on a stage and the crowd hates you and it's all
• 2:05:44
  crickets. It is awful.
• 2:05:46
  Yeah, totally. So it's just about that a little
• 2:05:48
  bit. Actually, I just want to perform
• 2:05:50
  for we continue like, because it's always interesting to hear
• 2:05:53
  about people bombing. We've had comedians on the show
• 2:05:56
  before and I'd love to hear about your worst sort of gigs
• 2:06:01
  and how you overcame that and what was so bad about it.
• 2:06:05
  You know, it is, as I said, I do comedy wrong.
• 2:06:10
  And one of the ways that I do comedy wrong is one comedian
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  that I respect, who's actually brought me on.
• 2:06:18
  Do some shows because he's actually nationally touring
• 2:06:20
  comic. And when he's been in Columbus,
• 2:06:22
  he's actually had me come out to open for him, which was kind of
• 2:06:25
  cool. And he said to me the first
• 2:06:30
  time, you remember, he said I wanted to hate you so much
• 2:06:33
  because you were the new guy and, you know, all these other
• 2:06:37
  people have been here longer. And he said, but you're funny
• 2:06:41
  and and don't let anybody tell you.
• 2:06:43
  You're not funny. And I wanted you to not be funny
• 2:06:46
  but you are. I'm like coolest.
• 2:06:47
  Okay, that's nice. He said, but the person you need
• 2:06:52
  to write for the person you need to do comedy for is you you need
• 2:06:57
  to do comedy for you not for the crowd, because if you don't
• 2:07:01
  believe in what you're on stage saying it's never going to work,
• 2:07:05
  right? And that's where that's great
• 2:07:08
  advice. But you also need to be able to
• 2:07:12
  adapt on the Fly. You go out there and if you're
• 2:07:14
  not the first come, if you're the first comic going to show,
• 2:07:17
  you never know what the crowd is going to be like because In
• 2:07:19
  crowds are going to respond to different things differently and
• 2:07:22
  I tend to work blue just because that's that's what's real to me
• 2:07:27
  and I've gone out and just known that.
• 2:07:31
  Okay, this is not working. I have a backlog of material
• 2:07:34
  where I could pivot and say okay I'm going to do something
• 2:07:38
  completely different but I wrote this new, this new set, I'm
• 2:07:42
  going to do this new set. If you don't like it, I don't
• 2:07:44
  care. I'm doing this for me because
• 2:07:46
  it's not my career and That's another way that I do things.
• 2:07:50
  Wrong is I've never done the same set twice.
• 2:07:53
  Every time I go on stage, I do new material and I do that
• 2:07:58
  because I have friends that will come out and see me, and it just
• 2:08:01
  seems pointless for them to come and see me, tell the same, you
• 2:08:04
  know, five minutes, ten minutes, just, yeah, set.
• 2:08:07
  I gotta say as well. That's something that I always
• 2:08:10
  wonder about with comedians because obviously, when they do
• 2:08:12
  at all, they're doing the same material for that entire tour
• 2:08:16
  and they will obviously adjust things So you know, based on
• 2:08:20
  locality and stuff, you know, maybe they do certain jokes in
• 2:08:23
  certain towns where they don't do other jokes in certain towns,
• 2:08:26
  you know, they'll do things will work, they'll put a thing into
• 2:08:29
  yeah deal with hecklers, whatever the case may be, but
• 2:08:33
  yeah, they will often do that. And it's like, do they not just
• 2:08:36
  get bored. I mean, what if you have like
• 2:08:38
  200 dates in a year or something like you're doing the same
• 2:08:41
  material every single night I must you must hate the sound of
• 2:08:45
  your own voice bothered by the end of it.
• 2:08:47
  Yeah. But every Every show, even if
• 2:08:49
  you're doing the same material is a little bit different.
• 2:08:51
  Especially if you've I tried to do stuff with the crowd, if I
• 2:08:54
  can. Yes, sometimes sometimes works
• 2:08:57
  great. Sometimes is awful.
• 2:09:00
  Yeah. It's like if they're not
• 2:09:01
  reciprocal, right? Like if the yeah, and, and you
• 2:09:04
  don't know, and there are things that are dicey as far as like
• 2:09:09
  topics to go into and, you know, these are things where it's
• 2:09:13
  like, because you bring race into, it is a very touchy issue,
• 2:09:16
  and it doesn't work with every crowd But there's been times
• 2:09:19
  when I've had people in the front row, where it's like after
• 2:09:22
  I tell that joke, I'll like do a fist bump with them because
• 2:09:25
  they're kind of like into it and it will work, but there was a,
• 2:09:30
  there's an age factor to because now that I'm a little bit older
• 2:09:33
  comedy, is a young man's game. Most of the people are probably
• 2:09:36
  your age, or younger that are doing a lot of these shows.
• 2:09:39
  And there was a show that I did. And there's this thing in the
• 2:09:42
  u.s. is called the red hat Brigade, which you've probably
• 2:09:45
  never heard of right. Because it's like, a thing for
• 2:09:49
  older ladies and like, their 60s and 70s, and they get decked up,
• 2:09:53
  decked out. And they were like these red
• 2:09:55
  hats and all dressed up and dresses and stuff.
• 2:09:57
  And they go to restaurants and plays, and apparently, comedy
• 2:10:00
  clubs. And I'm out there.
• 2:10:03
  I'm about to go on stage and tell filthy jokes and right in
• 2:10:08
  the front row, stage left. Are these group is this group of
• 2:10:13
  70 year old women and I walk out on stage.
• 2:10:17
  I don't even introduced myself, I just walk over to it.
• 2:10:19
  I'm so sorry and to their credit, they loved it.
• 2:10:23
  They were completely into it. Yeah.
• 2:10:25
  But there's been other times where I had somebody do out in
• 2:10:28
  front of me, and they had a similar act to mine and not in
• 2:10:35
  jokes, but just in in flavor, you know, they kind of went down
• 2:10:39
  the the the dirtier path and they were bombing and then you
• 2:10:44
  walk out there and you've lost your confidence and the air is
• 2:10:48
  kind of been sucked out of the room and you just kind of.
• 2:10:51
  Well what am I going to do here? I'm going to kind of just try to
• 2:10:54
  get through this and once you lose a crowd it's hard to bring
• 2:10:58
  them back. Yeah and you can do it.
• 2:11:01
  I have done it but it's easier to lose a crowd and it all
• 2:11:04
  depends on you got to get that first beat, you get that first
• 2:11:09
  big thing and then You can built and then you try to build,
• 2:11:12
  build, build build, build build, and then, just power at the end.
• 2:11:15
  And that's what you try to do. And sometimes it works.
• 2:11:18
  Sometimes, it really doesn't and it sucks when it doesn't and I
• 2:11:23
  like it when people come up to me afterwards and say, you
• 2:11:27
  sucked because that's honest. If I saw it, I've been it shows
• 2:11:32
  where I bombed, I've had friends come up to me that were at my
• 2:11:34
  show and said, Oh, you are funny.
• 2:11:37
  You were funny, like no, I wasn't my wife's at the same
• 2:11:40
  show she come up to me. She, you talked tonight and I
• 2:11:43
  appreciate that Honesty because that's legitimate feedback.
• 2:11:47
  Yeah. Yeah, fair enough.
• 2:11:50
  Fair enough. Well yeah let's let's move it
• 2:11:56
  forward. Thanks for sharing by the way,
• 2:11:59
  it's very appreciate. Sorry, I did go a little blue on
• 2:12:02
  that joke, but I apologized so not as fine as far as I know.
• 2:12:05
  It's the way. What's the biggest life lesson
• 2:12:09
  that you've learned so far? In comedy or in general.
• 2:12:14
  Life. Wow.
• 2:12:19
  Biggest life lesson I've learned Buy Apple stock. 20 years ago
• 2:12:28
  you look a bit like Steve Jobs. Any one time I used to get Tony
• 2:12:32
  Hawk? I think I like that one better.
• 2:12:34
  Oh yeah, I could see that. Yeah, I look like Steve Jobs
• 2:12:37
  now. Which is part of the problem but
• 2:12:42
  younger Steve don't like, sort of like yeah.
• 2:12:44
  Okay. I used to have hair.
• 2:12:46
  No, you're not like basically like mid to late 90s.
• 2:12:49
  Steve Jobs, really like Up until December.
• 2:12:52
  I had hair very similar to yours and we were at a Christmas it
• 2:12:59
  was a zoom meeting but a Christmas thing for my company
• 2:13:01
  and they were raising charity for a local food bank and they
• 2:13:05
  were trying to get it up to a certain dollar amount.
• 2:13:07
  And the guy who was pushing this, somebody said, hey if they
• 2:13:09
  hit that dollar amount, will you shave your head?
• 2:13:12
  And he's like, no, I won't, and I just tried it.
• 2:13:15
  If we hit that dollar amount, I'll shave my head.
• 2:13:17
  I don't care. And that Mom got hit like almost
• 2:13:21
  immediately. So.
• 2:13:24
  And so this is all that's grown back since December since
• 2:13:28
  mid-December. Yeah.
• 2:13:30
  But biggest, lice life lesson. I actually have a good one for
• 2:13:33
  this. And I actually said this to one
• 2:13:35
  of my friends when he got married is in this is where
• 2:13:39
  drunken Matt wisdom sometimes is not completely full of crap.
• 2:13:43
  I told him and his wife. there's one thing I want to tell you
• 2:13:47
  what I've learned from being married is Always be honest with
• 2:13:54
  each other, and don't be honest. When it's easy, be honest, when
• 2:13:59
  it's hard. And that is, that is where a
• 2:14:04
  successful relationship comes from, is being able to, you
• 2:14:08
  know, tell those difficult truths to each other.
• 2:14:12
  And, you know, my wife is, as I said, she's told me that I
• 2:14:15
  sucked in a show or whatever and she's for all my different
• 2:14:19
  creative Ventures, there's things, she said, this one is
• 2:14:22
  not for me. Mmm, and there's been other
• 2:14:25
  things. She said, I did not like this or
• 2:14:26
  I disagreed with that. And I appreciate the fact that
• 2:14:30
  she is comfortable and honest enough with me, to be able to
• 2:14:35
  tell me things that she thinks I might not want to hear but You
• 2:14:42
  know, the ability to be honest with anybody, whether it be a
• 2:14:46
  friend, a spouse, A co-worker, a boss, a client is is a powerful
• 2:14:53
  thing. And if you are honest about
• 2:14:56
  stuff, you don't have to worry about that lie coming back
• 2:15:01
  around to catch you in the end. Couldn't agree more.
• 2:15:05
  Thank you for sharing that. As we draw things to a close for
• 2:15:09
  today. Do you have any final thoughts
• 2:15:11
  or maybe some upcoming projects that you'd like to share with
• 2:15:13
  our listeners? Know?
• 2:15:15
  I just it's been scrolling for the last hour or so so if you
• 2:15:19
  haven't been annoyed by it so far I'm sorry.
• 2:15:22
  Well for me it's right here so I have a podcast betamax rewind
• 2:15:27
  with Matt and dug it. We have we do about one episode
• 2:15:30
  week, usually released really late on Saturday, night's cover.
• 2:15:33
  An 80s movies, we do also have a offshoot of that podcast where
• 2:15:39
  we are walking through the Star Wars Cinematic Universe, and we
• 2:15:43
  are further through the first three episodes, we just got
• 2:15:45
  finished with the prequels and we will, because we're doing
• 2:15:48
  that once a month. I'd love it.
• 2:15:50
  If you check it out, listen to it.
• 2:15:53
  If you want to read screenplay as by somebody, that's not
• 2:15:56
  really a talented author on. You can look at my name on
• 2:16:00
  Matthew bok-bok, on Amazon, .u k, All my books I believe are
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  under 15 pounds. There's a couple different ones.
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  There's a Sci-Fi one, and a bunch of other ones.
• 2:16:11
  I put a minute. Let's see, the cinnamon the, in
• 2:16:14
  the show. So, that's the Adam.
• 2:16:17
  Carter Saga is actually a Trilogy.
• 2:16:20
  This is what I talked about about thing that where I wrote
• 2:16:22
  the first one and I went back and I wrote to prequels to it.
• 2:16:26
  Yeah. And there's five different
• 2:16:30
  books, they vary in length from about About 800 variance scripts
• 2:16:37
  from just having one in them. Some of them have five varying
• 2:16:41
  quality but all different genres, you know.
• 2:16:44
  I get a little piece of everything that's old beyond
• 2:16:48
  that. Not really much.
• 2:16:50
  I actually just I just change jobs or I just actually my
• 2:16:53
  contract because I'm a consultant.
• 2:16:55
  It consultant, my contract just ended a couple days ago.
• 2:16:58
  Starting a new one on Monday. Whoo, that's no rest for the
• 2:17:02
  wicked but Thank you so much. This has been a, an interesting
• 2:17:06
  conversation. We probably could go on for a
• 2:17:08
  never another several hours. We really kind of just scratched
• 2:17:11
  the surface of different things that a potentially talk about
• 2:17:13
  but I do want to thank you very much.
• 2:17:15
  This has been fun. I was a little bit scared coming
• 2:17:18
  in felt like it was going into a job interview where I didn't
• 2:17:21
  know what the job was. And I just knew that I was going
• 2:17:23
  to get peppered with questions so I'm not a developer.
• 2:17:26
  I don't know how to do that, so it was it's been a great
• 2:17:29
  conversation and I think that you know, we had a definite good
• 2:17:32
  kind of back and forth with the different things.
• 2:17:34
  Talking about, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on
• 2:17:36
  the show. Matthew.
• 2:17:38
  I felt the same way and you know it's one of the reasons that I
• 2:17:42
  continue to do this podcast because I love meeting people
• 2:17:45
  such as yourself. I love having these
• 2:17:47
  conversations and pretty excited as well as to see where the
• 2:17:51
  conversation will go and where it ends up and you obviously
• 2:17:54
  true. China kind of struggle to like
• 2:17:56
  keep things on track, but at the same time, no, you know, when to
• 2:18:00
  let conversation flow and stuff, you know, I'm still I'm still In
• 2:18:04
  the grips of it and, you know, we're a 80 episodes in I think
• 2:18:07
  at this point. So it's it's onwards and upwards
• 2:18:11
  for the show. But yeah, massive, thank you for
• 2:18:13
  agreeing to be on the show. It's been an absolute pleasure
• 2:18:15
  and everyone listening to Christian re podcast.
• 2:18:19
  Make sure you go and follow Matthew and check out its
• 2:18:22
  podcast. Go buy his books and yeah, all
• 2:18:26
  that jazz. And yeah, thank you very much
• 2:18:28
  for listening to the Christian read podcast.
• 2:18:31
  And until next time, peace out. Out.
• 2:18:34
  One love. I'll see you in the next one.