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UK Column News Podcast 17th January 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the seventeenth of January twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Call Him News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Robinson joining me today. We have
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Speaker 1: Debbie Evans and Mark Anderson. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Both.
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Speaker 1: We're going to begin with, well, with Starmer in Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: and this is because the UK and Ukraine have apparently
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Speaker 1: signed what is described as being an historic agreement. Will
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Speaker 1: historic incompetence maybe, but Starmer didn't want to miss the
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Speaker 1: opportunity for everybody to see him in front of something
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Speaker 1: you know, emotive. So we've got a blown up car here,
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Speaker 1: and he was plastering Twitter with these kinds of images yesterday.
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Speaker 1: But well, he clearly wanted to get the Zelensky look,
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Speaker 1: as you can see. So he was wearing a T
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Speaker 1: shirt there. Why would he not, So he took the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to pose with suitably a bout of images. As
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Speaker 1: we said, he claimed that this agreement would be brought
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Speaker 1: to Parliament in the next couple of weeks and he so,
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Speaker 1: you know, plenty of opportunity for people to give some
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Speaker 1: opposition to it in the meantime, but he said that
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Speaker 1: the bonds between the UK and Ukraine will be formalized
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Speaker 1: through this landmark new one hundred year partnership between the
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Speaker 1: two countries. He said that this unprecedented agreement reflected the
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Speaker 1: huge affection between our two nations and that right now
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Speaker 1: Puttin shows no signs of wanting to stop his unrelenting aggression.
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Speaker 1: They apparently even went as far as the stage what
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Speaker 1: they claimed was a Russian drone attack attacking Vladimir Lensky's
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Speaker 1: Marinsky Palace and Kiev while the two leaders were holding
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Speaker 1: their talks and the aircraft weapons were apparently able to
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Speaker 1: be heard, as was a drone which was buzzing overhead,
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Speaker 1: and as a result, Starbar said that this Russian attack
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Speaker 1: was a reminder of what Ukrainians were experiencing every day, makes.
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Speaker 2: It real for us.
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Speaker 1: He said, it's an everyday threat that Ukraine is facing
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Speaker 1: and incredible with incredible resolve and determination. Zelenski, for his part,
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Speaker 1: was very grateful for Starmer's visit and on the support
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Speaker 1: because I think he's pretty nervous about Trump now. One
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Speaker 1: of the things that was discussed was the issue of
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Speaker 1: British troops operating openly in Ukraine. There's been recent talk,
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Speaker 1: as we've reported previously, of Britain sending troops there to
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Speaker 1: train Ukrainian conscripts in Ukraine instead of bringing Ukrainians to
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Speaker 1: the UK for training. But as Zelenski has previously begged
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Speaker 1: the UK, France and other EU countries to send troops
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Speaker 1: in a peacekeeping role after the war. But when Starmar
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Speaker 1: was asked about this by journalists yesterday, he gave one
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Speaker 1: of his total typical non responses. It's really important. He
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Speaker 1: said that Ukraine put this is put in the strongest
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Speaker 1: possible position, and that's all that he would say. So
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Speaker 1: there we go. That was him yesterday. Now let's just
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Speaker 1: have a look at what the telegraph was saying about
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Speaker 1: this with respect to boots on the ground, what Britain's
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Speaker 1: British boots on the ground would look like in Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: And they had three scenarios. First of all, this one
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Speaker 1: that UK and other Western forces would head to Ukraine
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Speaker 1: as some kind of peacekeeping force and we'd be deployed
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Speaker 1: all along the new front of the frozen front line
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Speaker 1: as it's being described. So clearly we're starting to see
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Speaker 1: an acceptance, at least in the mainstream press that this
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Speaker 1: war is effectively over and that probably Russia is going
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Speaker 1: to hold on to the territory that it has already taken.
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Speaker 1: So they're suggesting a peacekeeping force along that border. Another
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Speaker 1: option is at Western troops, as they describe it, take
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Speaker 1: response ability for the defense of Kiev itself and that
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Speaker 1: perhaps they operate sorry, and they're saying there that Ukrainian
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Speaker 1: reserves are freed up to push forward against Russian forces.
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Speaker 1: And the third scenario that the Telegraph is talking about
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Speaker 1: here is training missions run by the UK, France, Germany
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Speaker 1: and other NATO countries inside Ukraine. And apparently those black
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Speaker 1: dots there are the places where they might be based.
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Speaker 1: I suspect they're just randomly placed on the west of
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Speaker 1: Ukraine as far away from the front line as possible.
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Speaker 1: So let's look at the details of this one hundred
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Speaker 1: year packed with Ukraine. So what the government is saying
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Speaker 1: is that this builds on the twelve point eight billion
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Speaker 1: pound package of support that the UK has already given,
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Speaker 1: which that twelve point eight billion includes seven point eight
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Speaker 1: billion pounds of military assistance already given. So they are
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Speaker 1: making a commitment for three billion pounds in military aid
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Speaker 1: per year for as long as it takes is how
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Speaker 1: describing it. So you know, when we're looking I'll ask
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Speaker 1: DEBBI for comment on this later on, but when we're
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Speaker 1: looking at claims of no money for various government services
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Speaker 1: and whatnot, perhaps we need to be looking here. They
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Speaker 1: said that they intend this agreement continues support for Ukraine's
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Speaker 1: NATO membership. It's going to provide ongoing energy infrastructure support
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Speaker 1: and of course Russia at the moment blowing Ukraine's energy
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Speaker 1: infrastructure up as quickly as it possibly can. They are
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Speaker 1: going to create a new grain verification scheme which is
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Speaker 1: apparently to track stolen grain from occupied Ukrainian territories because
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Speaker 1: as we know, the Ukrainian farming industry effectively taken over
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Speaker 1: by major Western companies like black Rock and so on.
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Speaker 1: So the last thing we want is anybody in the
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Speaker 1: so called occupied territories to be growing their own grain
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Speaker 1: and shipping it anywhere else. Forty million pounds for a
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Speaker 1: new economic recovery program, which they are calling Tiger. We'll
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Speaker 1: have more details on that incoming news. Programs Strengthening energy
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Speaker 1: climate and clean energy transition cooperation because the Genda twenty
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Speaker 1: thirty has got to be at the heart of everything
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Speaker 1: that happens in Ukraine in the future or whatever is
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Speaker 1: left of Ukraine. And this was a bit that really
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Speaker 1: had me in stitches. A news schools partnership which they
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Speaker 1: are describing as a first step in a long term
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Speaker 1: commitment to sharing best practice across both our education systems. Debbi,
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Speaker 1: we can talk about the thirty billion or the three
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Speaker 1: billion pounds a year in a second, but I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to see what you thought about that in the
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Speaker 1: first place. I mean, is the British education system the
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Speaker 1: kind of thing that Ukraine should be importing into their country.
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Speaker 3: A good afternoon. Everyone lovely to be here and knows
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Speaker 3: certainly not. And I can't see that this is in
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Speaker 3: anybody's best interests. I mean nothing personal Ukraine, to the
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Speaker 3: people of Ukraine. We are all under attack here. I
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Speaker 3: cannot see that this is in your best interest at all.
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Speaker 3: This is all about surveillance, This is all about data harvesting.
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Speaker 3: This is all about getting your fingers into other people's
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Speaker 3: business and talking about other people's business. Why we've got
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Speaker 3: our own business. We've got people dying in corridors and
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Speaker 3: being left there, not even discovered they're dead. In NHS corridors.
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Speaker 3: We are all under attack, killing me softly, I might say,
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Speaker 3: But don't you think we should be de escalating the
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Speaker 3: problems in Ukraine, not escalating them, Secre Starmer does not represent.
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Speaker 1: Me, No, he doesn't. And you know, I know you
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Speaker 1: are quite motivated about this new money being said over
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Speaker 1: the opportunity apparently is the claim is that this is
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Speaker 1: going to be presented to Parliament for ratification. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: that members of Parliament are utterly useless and most people
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Speaker 1: will be pretty cynical about whether it's possible to get
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Speaker 1: them to vote against that, particularly with when Starmer has
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Speaker 1: a very strong majority. But I think we need to
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Speaker 1: be making clear to the people in the HESOC Commons
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Speaker 1: that this is unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: One hundred and we also need to be saying to
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Speaker 3: the people in Ukraine, we don't believe that this is
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Speaker 3: in your best interests anymore than it's in our best interests.
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Speaker 1: It works both indeed absolutely. Okay, So Debbie, let's come
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Speaker 1: on to your first segment here and give us an
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Speaker 1: update on what's happening in the National Health Service so.
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Speaker 3: Well, the NHS. Let's not forget the NHS is what
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Speaker 3: uniquely links us all, it's unique in the whole of
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Speaker 3: the world. We don't have system anywhere else in the world.
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Speaker 3: I wonder why they haven't copied our model. And probably
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Speaker 3: many people that are watching this broadcast now may at
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Speaker 3: some point have been told that they're conspiracy theorists or
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Speaker 3: that they've got tin hats on. And I just want
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Speaker 3: to remind everybody. Want to go back to the United
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Speaker 3: Nations General Assembly twenty sixth September twenty twenty when at
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Speaker 3: the time our Prime Minister Boris Johnson was speaking conspiracy theorist,
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Speaker 3: have a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: You may keep your secrets from your friends, from your parents,
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Speaker 4: your children, your doctor, but it takes real effort to
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Speaker 4: conceal your thoughts from Google. Smart cities will pallulate with
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Speaker 4: sensors all joined together by the Internet of Things, bollards
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Speaker 4: communing invisibly with lampposts, so there is always a parking
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Speaker 4: space for your electric car. A future Alexa will pretend
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Speaker 4: to take orders, but this Alexa will be watching you,
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Speaker 4: clacking her tongue and stamping her foot. Your mattress will
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Speaker 4: monitor your nightmares. Your fridge will beat for more cheese.
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Speaker 4: Your front door will sweep wide the moment you approach
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Speaker 4: like some silent butler. Are we doomed to a cold
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Speaker 4: and heartless future in which computer says yes or computer
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Speaker 4: says no, with the grim finality of an emperor in
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Speaker 4: the arena AI helpful robots washing and caring for an
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Speaker 4: aging population, or pink eyed terminator sent back from the future.
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Speaker 4: What will synthetic biology stand for restoring our livers and
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Speaker 4: our eyes with miracle regeneration of the tissues, or when
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Speaker 4: it bring terrifying, limbless chickens to our tables? Will nanotechnology
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Speaker 4: help us to beat disease? Or when it live, leave
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Speaker 4: tiny robots to replicating the crevices of our souls.
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Speaker 3: I think some of the other members may have found
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Speaker 3: it funny or a joke. I didn't. I took it
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Speaker 3: very seriously. But what does this have to do with
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Speaker 3: the NHS. We all know what the NHS logo looks like.
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Speaker 3: Let's just remind ourselves. But are we dodging the NHS?
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Speaker 3: Can we dodge the NHS? So I want to bring
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Speaker 3: you back to a letter that I wrote. I wrote
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Speaker 3: to the Secretary of State for help back in twenty
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Speaker 3: two twenty two. In November, I asked if I could
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Speaker 3: opt out of the NHS full stop. Now this isn't
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Speaker 3: about data sharing. I was asking if I could opt
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Speaker 3: out of the entire system. I received this letter back
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Speaker 3: from the Ministerial Correspondence and Public Inquiry Office telling me
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Speaker 3: that basically no, I couldn't. That the NHS was an
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Speaker 3: insured was not an insurance based system. National insurance contributions
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Speaker 3: may be the clues in the name, but that it's
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Speaker 3: a residency system. Therefore an opt out in or an
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Speaker 3: opt out system is not in operation, so therefore you
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Speaker 3: cannot opt out of it. It also talks about capacity,
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Speaker 3: so if you lack the capacity to consent, a decision
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Speaker 3: to go ahead with treatment will be made by your
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Speaker 3: healthcare professional. But who who is your health professional going
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Speaker 3: to be? So you know, I want to bring us
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Speaker 3: to waiting lists in particular because we've got a huge
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Speaker 3: problem in the NHS, and we were talking last week
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Speaker 3: about the power being given back to patients as the
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Speaker 3: government sets to cut the waiting list. Well, under the
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Speaker 3: guise of cutting the waiting list, however, the NHS are
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Speaker 3: also piloting this appointment system where they're going to use
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Speaker 3: AI to track us to find us if we don't
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Speaker 3: find out. Here's this article in Healthcare Leader, and you
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Speaker 3: know we are rolling out AI software to track missed appointments.
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Speaker 3: Apparently eight million weren't attended. That's six point four percent
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Speaker 3: in twenty two to twenty three. Now they say they
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Speaker 3: want to give patients more access. So let's look at
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Speaker 3: this outpatient data, because what are you being asked to
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Speaker 3: do and what are the statistics? So I went to
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Speaker 3: NHS Digital and here you've got eight million appointments missed,
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Speaker 3: which was an increase which I think is quite significant,
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Speaker 3: of two point three percent from the previous year. Now
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Speaker 3: let's not confuse a DNA with a DNR, because a
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Speaker 3: DNR is do not resuscitate. I'm talking here about did
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Speaker 3: not attend. What is one? Well, if you do not attend,
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Speaker 3: you get your car marked basically, and I have to
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Speaker 3: ask the question of if you do not attend in
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Speaker 3: the future, is this going to mean that you don't
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Speaker 3: get access to medicines or treatments? Who actually gets health
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Speaker 3: checks in the UK? Does anybody get a health check? Well,
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Speaker 3: yes they do for anybody that doesn't know, there's a
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Speaker 3: free annual health check for those in the age group
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Speaker 3: between forty and seventy four who don't have any of
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Speaker 3: the pre existing conditions, of which there's a whole list
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Speaker 3: that you can see, and it's asking people are they
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Speaker 3: at risk of heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease and scrow.
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Speaker 3: So there's one health check for you, but actually we've
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Speaker 3: got some more. So you may not be aware that
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Speaker 3: there are also annual health checks for those with learning disability,
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Speaker 3: and that's children of fourteen and up and also mental health.
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Speaker 3: But I have to ask if you don't want your
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Speaker 3: annual check or you didn't attend for whatever reason, will
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Speaker 3: your treatment stop? And we'll be talking about that later
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Speaker 3: in the news because we all know that the NHS
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Speaker 3: is going to now become conditional. So we know that
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Speaker 3: smokers and those who are abeasts are going to go
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Speaker 3: back to the back of the queue, as the Mail
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Speaker 3: online says here and as we talked about last week.
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Speaker 3: So if you don't shape up, you don't get treatment.
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Speaker 3: But what else is this going to affect if you
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Speaker 3: don't have an annual health check? Will this affect people
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Speaker 3: that are in receipt of disability payments like personal Independence payment?
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Speaker 3: And here you've got the I so saying get ready
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Speaker 3: for Sekeir Starmer to announce massive cuts in personal independence awards.
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Speaker 3: So DWP is going to be set to change. And
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Speaker 3: we've talked about this on the column many times before.
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Speaker 3: And I want to draw your attention back to Ed Dowd,
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Speaker 3: who we did an interview with the Numbers Don't Lie,
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Speaker 3: and he wrote the book Cause Unknown, and he also
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Speaker 3: gave the UK a warning because he'd used the Personal
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Speaker 3: Independence Payment data to ascertain that because claims were right
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Speaker 3: so much because of vaccine injuries, that it could technically
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Speaker 3: bankrupt the UK government. And if you want some more evidence,
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Speaker 3: because we have along the years collected so much, we've
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Speaker 3: also got part one and part two of irrefutable evidence
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Speaker 3: with John Bodwin. And finally, just to tie this up,
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Speaker 3: I had a question that I put on X and
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Speaker 3: I said, what if the NHS insisted you had an
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Speaker 3: annual check up, vaccination status, BP, blood test, weight, lifestyle?
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Speaker 3: What if treatment on the NHS became conditional it's about
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Speaker 3: to be What if the NHS came looking for you?
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Speaker 3: Do you consent? Hashtag Logan's run over to you, Mike.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Debbie. Okay, now let's move on to the
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Speaker 1: inauguration of Donald Trump is happening on Monday, and the
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Speaker 1: BBC was very excited this morning to find out that
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and JD. Vada's official portraits have been released.
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Speaker 1: So let's just have a scroll through this pitg and
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Speaker 1: you can see that Trump's support trade is pretty dark looking.
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Speaker 1: The BBC is very excited about that. Vance's portrait, on
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Speaker 1: the other hand, is very bright and he's standing up
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Speaker 1: straight and whatnot. But they were very excited about Trump's
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Speaker 1: portrait because they're saying it looked very similar to the
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Speaker 1: portrait or the photograph that was taken when he was arrested,
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Speaker 1: if you remember. And they're quite happy to show the
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Speaker 1: mugshot as they call it, from Fulton County Jail there,
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Speaker 1: and they're comparing and contrasting it to the photograph that
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Speaker 1: he the official photograph that he took when he was
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Speaker 1: in his first term. And well, Mark, let me welcome
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Speaker 1: you to the program at this point and say, you know,
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Speaker 1: it seems to me, it seems pretty clear to me
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Speaker 1: that Trump is trolling the world with that photograph, because
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Speaker 1: of course he is making a point specifically about the
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Speaker 1: arrest and the prosecutions and so on, and it's not
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Speaker 1: by accident that he's produced that photograph in that style.
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Speaker 5: That is one interpret of it. Yes, Mike, good day everyone.
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Speaker 5: He could be using that photo to say, you know,
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Speaker 5: I told you so, I'm going to skirt these flimsy
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Speaker 5: charges that came up in court. Of course, it's worth mentioning,
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Speaker 5: at least in passing that the so called mug shot
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Speaker 5: didn't have the normal number next to the suspect. That
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Speaker 5: sort of thing a very unconventional mug shot, to say
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Speaker 5: the least. I've heard some people even say that's not
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Speaker 5: a mug shot at all, but it's some sort of
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Speaker 5: you know, misdirection or some sort of fakery going on there.
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Speaker 5: That being said, certainly his first photo was a lot
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Speaker 5: more respectable. But it is a strange situation in that
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Speaker 5: regard with that new photograph, no doubt about it. Now
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Speaker 5: we can segue right into the inauguration if you want,
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Speaker 5: Mike itself, I think you only wanted to show those photos, correct, Yes,
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Speaker 5: go ahead, Yeah, Well this is something of a last
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Speaker 5: minute thing. I was working on other matters and then
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Speaker 5: it hit me, oh my gosh, the inauguration is not
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Speaker 5: the following Monday, it's this coming Monday, time flies, and
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Speaker 5: so I scrambled last night and even early this morning,
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Speaker 5: right before the show to get a little bit more
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Speaker 5: information together. This slide that I sent in is from Politico.
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Speaker 5: Who's been invited the world's far right populist packed the
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Speaker 5: guest list for Trump's inauguration. I looked at a Politico
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Speaker 5: article and then later a Time Magazine article, and Time
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Speaker 5: Magazine couldn't help but repeat the unsubstantiated and really untrue
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Speaker 5: barb against Trump that he tried to overturn the twenty
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Speaker 5: twenty election, and when in fact, he felt it already
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Speaker 5: had been overturned and he was trying to ferret out
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Speaker 5: any fraud that might have happened.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, according to Politico.
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Speaker 5: You do have a more right leaning list in terms
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Speaker 5: of those that have been invited or are tending anyway.
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Speaker 5: The German far right member of the Alternative for Germany party,
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Speaker 5: Tino Shripala, that's gotten a lot of headlines.
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Speaker 2: I don't know much about him. He's attending.
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Speaker 5: The press is pretty upset about that one, acting almost
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Speaker 5: as if Hitler himself has been resurrected to come to
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Speaker 5: the inauguration. Musk Elon Musk apparently endorsed Tino Shripala. The
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Speaker 5: Indian and japan foreign ministers are coming. No big news there.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of headlines and a lot of ink
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Speaker 5: being printed here. The tech moguls, Elon Musk, of course,
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Speaker 5: Jeff Bezos, owner of the Washington Post, founder of Amazon,
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Speaker 5: Mark Zuckerberg, Xavier Neil, a right leaning French billionaire. Of course,
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Speaker 5: Italy's Prime minister Georgia Maloney, your favorite Mike Nige, of course,
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Speaker 5: is invited.
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Speaker 2: They're calling him a arch Brexitier.
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Speaker 5: Another is Santiago Abascal, a Spanish ultra right nationalists were
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Speaker 5: told from the Vox Party, but he also represents the
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Speaker 5: European Patriot Party, which in the European Parliament represents eleven countries.
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Speaker 5: There are eighty six maps in the European Parliament from
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Speaker 5: the European Patriots Party. Oddly, Marie la Penn and her
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Speaker 5: protege Jordan Barcela or Bardella rather out of France, of course,
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Speaker 5: and they of course are right leaning in their ideology.
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Speaker 5: They apparently were not invited, that's not confirmed. Though apparently
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Speaker 5: not invited, there are others. Victor Orbon, the definitely right
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Speaker 5: wing leader of Hungary, was invited but reportedly cannot attend.
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Speaker 2: China's lead z.
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Speaker 5: Apparently was invited but cannout attend, but he's sending some emissaries.
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Speaker 5: Ursula Vanderlean, the European Commission president, was not invited. She
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Speaker 5: apparently was snubbed in this. Another Andre Ventura from the
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Speaker 5: Shega party that's a far right party, we're told in Portugal.
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Speaker 5: But the one of the big big things Mike is
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Speaker 5: bb net in Yahoo and this is according to the
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Speaker 5: Times of Israel itself, along along with other sources. He
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Speaker 5: apparently did not receive an invitation there. The Times of
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Speaker 5: Israel is trying to say, well, maybe he was informally invited,
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Speaker 5: and they're also saying he's undergoing prostate surgery and canout attend.
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure about that in terms of the timing.
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Speaker 5: Maybe they're using that more as an excuse. They're also saying,
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Speaker 5: even in the Times of Israel, that Bbe's arrest is
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Speaker 5: being sought by the ic C, and that's another reason
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Speaker 5: he doesn't want to leave Israel, and that's again the
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Speaker 5: Times of Israel admitting that.
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Speaker 2: So that's some of the highlights.
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Speaker 5: Mike I was at the first inauguration and it was,
22:13
Speaker 5: of course a pretty cold day, but it's quite the
22:17
Speaker 5: pomp and circumstance event. This one's going to be really crowded,
22:23
Speaker 5: that's for sure, given all the controversy. Obama Bush Junior,
22:28
Speaker 5: some calling Bush the Dimmer and Bill Clinton apparently will attend,
22:32
Speaker 5: although my wife had heard they won't attend, so that's
22:36
Speaker 5: not altogether clear, but that with the time permitted. Mike,
22:41
Speaker 5: that's sort of an overview of some of who's going
22:44
Speaker 5: and some of who is not going.
22:47
Speaker 1: But of course, Mark, if you've got some kind of
22:51
Speaker 1: assassination planned or some other kind of event like that,
22:54
Speaker 1: of course some of these world leaders would want to
22:56
Speaker 1: be attending with they.
23:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting. I've heard that Washington, DC is a
23:06
Speaker 5: definite police state. It was definitely that way when I
23:10
Speaker 5: went back in twenty sixteen or early twenty seventeen, but
23:15
Speaker 5: I've heard now that it's much more of a police state.
23:18
Speaker 5: It's interesting to note back in twenty ten, I attended
23:22
Speaker 5: a Swiss event where the president at that time they
23:25
Speaker 5: operate on a rotating presidency, and they can't they come
23:29
Speaker 5: into this town called Chone in Switzerland, and I happened
23:32
Speaker 5: to attend that and there was. It was very noticeable
23:37
Speaker 5: that there were virtually no troops around whatsoever. It was
23:40
Speaker 5: the furthest thing from a police state you could imagine
23:42
Speaker 5: in Switzerland back in twenty ten. It was pretty interesting
23:47
Speaker 5: and surprising to see in that regard, although I'm sure
23:49
Speaker 5: there were a few hidden snipers perhaps, But yeah, this
23:53
Speaker 5: is interesting. The press is pretty worried that Trump is
23:57
Speaker 5: bringing in not just a right wing government himself, but
24:01
Speaker 5: a right wing coalition around the world.
24:03
Speaker 2: That's what the press is fuming about.
24:05
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you, Mark, Okay. If you like what
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24:46
Speaker 1: let's welcome you back. And of course the COVID inquiry
24:50
Speaker 1: has been running on for quite some time, some of
24:52
Speaker 1: the reports around, but at the moment they're focusing on
24:56
Speaker 1: the potential effects of the vaccination program. What are your
25:00
Speaker 1: thoughts on this?
25:02
Speaker 3: Yes, well it's interesting, isn't it, because the vaccines, let's
25:05
Speaker 3: not forget, are still being rolled out and as you mentioned,
25:09
Speaker 3: it's the start of module four. This week is the
25:12
Speaker 3: start of Module four of the COVID inquiry that Baroness
25:15
Speaker 3: Hallett is sharing. Anna Morris KC gave an opening submission
25:22
Speaker 3: on behalf of UKCV Family this week and you can
25:28
Speaker 3: see a photo there of some of the UKCV family
25:30
Speaker 3: and some of those that attended on the right there.
25:33
Speaker 3: And I've also got an announcement here from UKCV Family website,
25:37
Speaker 3: So if you want to go and look and see
25:39
Speaker 3: for more information, please do go to their website. Now,
25:43
Speaker 3: evidence has been heard this week from many of our
25:45
Speaker 3: amazing guests, including Ruth o referee. Now we've interviewed Ruth
25:51
Speaker 3: before and I just want to remind people the way
25:53
Speaker 3: they can go to see the interview that we did
25:56
Speaker 3: with her, and I'm hoping to be able to touch
25:58
Speaker 3: base with her to see if I can speak to
26:00
Speaker 3: her with regards to her experience, and there'll be more
26:02
Speaker 3: coming from that. And also for Charlotte Crichton, who's founded
26:07
Speaker 3: co founded uk CV Family, And again here are some
26:11
Speaker 3: of the interviews we've done, many interviews with Charlotte. Please
26:14
Speaker 3: do go and look for them. Charlotte is her self
26:16
Speaker 3: vaccine injured and has been very unwell since her vaccination,
26:21
Speaker 3: and yet she supports hundreds were probably thousands actually, and
26:25
Speaker 3: so when I went to their website, I was extremely
26:27
Speaker 3: saddened and shocked to read this from Charlotte. I have
26:32
Speaker 3: just lost my beautiful mum after five awful weeks in
26:35
Speaker 3: hospital where I also managed to contract the flu myself.
26:39
Speaker 3: I'm heartbroken and devastated at a time when I should
26:42
Speaker 3: have been looking after her. My dear mum spent the
26:45
Speaker 3: last four years of her life looking after me after
26:48
Speaker 3: I suffered health complications from COVID nineteen vaccination. She goes
26:52
Speaker 3: on to say, this week I was due to represent
26:55
Speaker 3: UKCV Family and all those injured or bereaved due to
26:58
Speaker 3: the COVID nineteen vaccine nation at the COVID nineteen Public
27:01
Speaker 3: Inquiry However, I now have flu and I'm too unwell
27:05
Speaker 3: to travel, so I will attend the inquiry at a
27:08
Speaker 3: later date in the next few weeks to be arranged.
27:10
Speaker 3: She writes some more, but she finishes with and I
27:13
Speaker 3: think this is incredibly, incredibly poignant. We are not just
27:17
Speaker 3: numbers sacrificed for the greater good. We are real people,
27:21
Speaker 3: with real lives and families. And we will see if
27:24
Speaker 3: this new government will act now, not in decades time,
27:28
Speaker 3: to rectify what is a horrific scandal and a miscarriage
27:32
Speaker 3: of justice. And as I understand it, Charlotte will be
27:35
Speaker 3: appearing next week at the inquiry. Our love and condolences
27:40
Speaker 3: to her and her family. And it's not often you
27:42
Speaker 3: meet angels in human form, but Charlotte is one of them.
27:45
Speaker 3: And going from one angel to another, here is Ruth
27:49
Speaker 3: o'rafferee who gave evidence this week at the COVID inquiry.
27:52
Speaker 3: And despite the barrister trying to close her down, the
27:57
Speaker 3: government's barrister trying to close her down, she was incredibly brave.
28:01
Speaker 3: And here's the little snippets of Ruth at the inquiry
28:04
Speaker 3: just yesterday.
28:06
Speaker 6: That they feel that there's a perception or that they
28:09
Speaker 6: perceived that people were nevertheless coerced publicly or privately into
28:15
Speaker 6: taking vaccines. So is the heart of the concern expressed
28:20
Speaker 6: on this topic whether or not the state the government
28:26
Speaker 6: were fair and open in describing the benefits and the
28:30
Speaker 6: risks so that people could make a decision individually for
28:33
Speaker 6: themselves without feeling they were under a degree of coercion.
28:37
Speaker 7: Well, we had language.
28:39
Speaker 6: I don't want to go into the detail of specific
28:42
Speaker 6: cases because we can't do the thing about specific cases.
28:44
Speaker 6: But is that a proper summary if you like?
28:49
Speaker 7: Of Well, the published message was you would take the
28:54
Speaker 7: vaccine to save everyone else, that you are selfish not to,
28:58
Speaker 7: you are responsible not too. And we did have lots
29:03
Speaker 7: of people in our group who are in a medical
29:05
Speaker 7: profession who work or worst, we even had somebody who
29:08
Speaker 7: had emails distributed around their workplace naming and shaming people
29:14
Speaker 7: who hadn't yet had their vaccine.
29:16
Speaker 6: All right, you understand, of course that we can't delve
29:18
Speaker 6: into individual cases, but the overarching point is you're concerned
29:23
Speaker 6: about why it was that some people felt they were
29:27
Speaker 6: being coerced or they're under pressure, and whether or not
29:29
Speaker 6: they were given the right information to be able to
29:32
Speaker 6: make a decision free from coercion.
29:35
Speaker 2: That's the hardest thing.
29:39
Speaker 3: So there's wonderful Ruth giving her evidence, and please can
29:42
Speaker 3: we just remember that the vaccine injured are the brave
29:45
Speaker 3: souls lighting the way for the rest of us, and
29:48
Speaker 3: nothing about them without them. But today Matt Hancock has
29:52
Speaker 3: been appearing at the COVID inquiry and it's quite shocking actually,
29:57
Speaker 3: so warning Matt Hancock and is Shaun Ky have a listen.
30:04
Speaker 8: Did you interpret him to mean there will be cases
30:05
Speaker 8: of adverse reactions?
30:08
Speaker 9: It's unclear from this whether there will be cases means
30:14
Speaker 9: there will be cases of adverse reactions, although we knew
30:18
Speaker 9: that there would be yes, because there were in the
30:23
Speaker 9: clinical trials. The question with a vaccine is whether it
30:25
Speaker 9: is it is net positive in expectation of taking it,
30:32
Speaker 9: and they were only approved where they were net positive.
30:38
Speaker 9: Hold on the second. But he may have been referring
30:42
Speaker 9: to there will be cases like Ara Dazai where somebody
30:45
Speaker 9: gets a case after vaccination, because because that was also
30:49
Speaker 9: at the time not known the extent to which post
30:53
Speaker 9: vaccine nation people would get COVID, and of course we
30:56
Speaker 9: now know that people did regularly get COVID after vaccine,
30:59
Speaker 9: but it did to be much milder.
31:01
Speaker 8: Sure, but you would accept you knew the would be
31:04
Speaker 8: case of adverse reaction. Yes, of course they were known
31:07
Speaker 8: about in the clinical trials and measured. Yes, and that's
31:10
Speaker 8: why it's important to have an effective post post role
31:14
Speaker 8: out monitoring system. Yes, but what did you mean by
31:17
Speaker 8: shun key?
31:18
Speaker 9: I was worried about the data collection systems and how
31:22
Speaker 9: that would be reported.
31:25
Speaker 7: Debbie.
31:25
Speaker 1: I've found that pretty disturbing because here is a man
31:29
Speaker 1: who at the time absolutely denied that there would be
31:33
Speaker 1: adverse reactions. That when we started reporting adverse reactions, we
31:38
Speaker 1: started to see a massive censorship regime to make sure
31:41
Speaker 1: that nobody understood that we're going to be adverse reactions,
31:44
Speaker 1: that there were adverse reactions taking place. And now he's
31:48
Speaker 1: speaking as if, yes, well, we knew, we knew that
31:51
Speaker 1: we're going to be adverse reactions. We always knew that.
31:53
Speaker 1: So people have a pretty low opinion of Matt Hancock.
31:59
Speaker 1: I think it's just I didn't think it could be lower.
32:02
Speaker 1: But I think he has actually taken a step soyth
32:05
Speaker 1: he's dug an even bigger hole for himself than he
32:07
Speaker 1: was in already.
32:10
Speaker 3: Clearly I mean when we saw that, let's just remember
32:12
Speaker 3: that clip was only he was attending this morning, so
32:15
Speaker 3: that's hot off the press. That was a clear admission
32:18
Speaker 3: rights under oath. It's at the COVID inquiry. That was
32:22
Speaker 3: a clear admission. He knew, he knew as everybody else did,
32:26
Speaker 3: and he did nothing. In my opinion, and this is
32:29
Speaker 3: my opinion, he should be locked up.
32:32
Speaker 1: Well, I think there are a number of people in
32:36
Speaker 1: various inquiries at the moment that should be locked up.
32:39
Speaker 1: And I couldn't agree with you more about that, actually,
32:41
Speaker 1: so I think I think probably many people would agree
32:44
Speaker 1: with that statement. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
32:48
Speaker 3: One more thing just to add that while he was
32:50
Speaker 3: talking today about that, yesterday Esther McVeigh was in the
32:54
Speaker 3: chamber ongoing with the mhr A debate. We're going to
32:57
Speaker 3: bring you more about that in the news to possibly
33:00
Speaker 3: next week, but just very briefly to give you an update.
33:04
Speaker 3: They noted that the MHRA continues to need substantial reform
33:08
Speaker 3: and that there continue to be patient safety concerns. They
33:11
Speaker 3: persist and the government need to acknowledge that harm has
33:15
Speaker 3: been done to patients and has put a financial burden
33:18
Speaker 3: on the NHS, so that a lot going on, mhra
33:21
Speaker 3: and Matt Hancock COVID inquiry, vaccine injured.
33:25
Speaker 1: Thank you, DeBie. Now let's come on to the issue
33:27
Speaker 1: of pandemic preparedness because suddenly that's back on the government's agenda.
33:33
Speaker 1: So here's a nice photograph of the Well, let's just
33:39
Speaker 1: put it this way, that they have decided to step
33:42
Speaker 1: up their pandemic planning as they describe it, sorry, in
33:47
Speaker 1: response to recommendations from the COVID nineteen inquiry Module one report,
33:52
Speaker 1: so that has already been published. They've announced the largest
33:57
Speaker 1: ever national response exercise, which going to be held later
34:01
Speaker 1: on this year in the autumn. They say they've also
34:04
Speaker 1: set out plans to better support vulnerable groups such as
34:07
Speaker 1: the elderly or those receiving care, and they're going to
34:11
Speaker 1: train thousands of public servants to handle a range of crises,
34:14
Speaker 1: including pandemics. So this was all announced because the Chancellor
34:20
Speaker 1: of Duchy of Lancaster, Pat McFadden, will just put it
34:23
Speaker 1: back on screen for a second, was visiting the Pandemic
34:26
Speaker 1: Institute in Liverpool and this was yesterday. So this National
34:30
Speaker 1: Pandemic Exercise is the first of its kind in nearly
34:33
Speaker 1: a decade. The last was Exercise Sickness in twenty sixteen.
34:37
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about that, we have
34:39
Speaker 1: an article on the UK Column website by Robin Kaiser
34:42
Speaker 1: Exercise Signess UK Government exercise justifies COVID nineteen lockdown. So
34:47
Speaker 1: that was the last time they held one of these
34:50
Speaker 1: massive exercises. This new one is said to be the
34:53
Speaker 1: biggest in UK history. They say it's going to test
34:57
Speaker 1: the country's capabilities, plans, protocols, seizures in the event of
35:01
Speaker 1: another major pandemic. It's going to be led by senior ministers,
35:05
Speaker 1: it's going to involve thousands of participants. It's going to
35:08
Speaker 1: run across all regions and nations of the UK. It's
35:11
Speaker 1: going to involve all government departments, local resilience forums, the
35:16
Speaker 1: devolved governments. They've all been invited to participate and they
35:21
Speaker 1: are encouraging the most significant involvement ever at a local level.
35:26
Speaker 1: So this is due to take place on several days
35:29
Speaker 1: over several months this coming autumn, and they're going to
35:32
Speaker 1: communicate findings in lessons from the exercise as recommended by
35:36
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen inquiry. Now to support this, the Cabinet
35:41
Speaker 1: Office has created what they're describing as a risk vulnerability
35:45
Speaker 1: tool within with the Office for National Statistics, and that
35:48
Speaker 1: tool is going to create a map of the UK
35:50
Speaker 1: for different risks that the UK faces, and it's going
35:54
Speaker 1: to show where they're vulnerable groups who might be disproportionately impacted.
35:59
Speaker 1: Vulnerable group are going to be identified through data including age,
36:03
Speaker 1: disability or whether someone is receiving care. So I would
36:06
Speaker 1: imagine quite a bit of that data is going to
36:08
Speaker 1: come from the National Health Service. And then a third
36:12
Speaker 1: measure that the government is taking is to train over
36:15
Speaker 1: four thousand people in resilience and emergency roles every year
36:21
Speaker 1: through this organization, the UK Resilience Academy, and this training,
36:27
Speaker 1: which is going to begin in April, is going to help,
36:29
Speaker 1: they say, help practitioners plan for and manage a range
36:33
Speaker 1: of crises, including pandemics. They're also going to carry out
36:37
Speaker 1: a national test of the emergency alert system later in
36:40
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. And although we have I mean the
36:44
Speaker 1: emergency alerts were used during I think it was Storm Dara,
36:47
Speaker 1: one of the recent storms, some people received emergency alerts
36:52
Speaker 1: at a relatively local level. This is the first national
36:55
Speaker 1: test that's been run in a couple of years. As
37:00
Speaker 1: for the Pandemic Institute itself, they have a nice website.
37:04
Speaker 1: They were set up three years ago. They say they're
37:07
Speaker 1: a world leading facility committed to helping the world prevent, prepare,
37:11
Speaker 1: and respond more effectively to pandemics. They say they've advanced
37:15
Speaker 1: research to predict and prepare for the next pandemic. So
37:19
Speaker 1: here's a little bit of video from Professor Tom Solomon,
37:23
Speaker 1: director of the Pandemic Institute. Let's have a look at this.
37:29
Speaker 10: I think you can prepare for emerging infection problems and
37:33
Speaker 10: potentially a future pandemic. We're doing that at the moment
37:36
Speaker 10: in getting some of the drugs and vaccines and diagnostic
37:40
Speaker 10: tests up to a stage of readiness. But I think
37:43
Speaker 10: also part of it is the civil response, the society response.
37:47
Speaker 10: And I think one of the problems with the COVID
37:49
Speaker 10: nineteen pandemic is people just couldn't believe that it was happening.
37:53
Speaker 10: And so when we had to think about things like
37:56
Speaker 10: the social distancing measures, even the lockdowns, even though we
37:59
Speaker 10: could see it happening in China, we could see it
38:01
Speaker 10: happening in Italy, even in this country, it was hard
38:04
Speaker 10: for people to believe that similar measures were going to
38:06
Speaker 10: be needed, and of course they were.
38:08
Speaker 1: Needersbi, you're finding that quite amusing. Well, I'll just mentioned
38:15
Speaker 1: before I ask you for a brief comment on this.
38:18
Speaker 1: I just mentioned that it was all in that video clip.
38:20
Speaker 1: Youse are also mentioning the old you know, new vaccine
38:23
Speaker 1: in one hundred days trope as well, so you know
38:26
Speaker 1: none of this has gone away, Debbi, No.
38:29
Speaker 3: On your marks. Get ready, And it's like it's like
38:33
Speaker 3: a horse race who's going to get to the bank first,
38:35
Speaker 3: Because let's face it, this is just another opportunity to
38:40
Speaker 3: enable big farmer biologics and life sciences companies to access us,
38:48
Speaker 3: you and me through the NHS. So it's just it's
38:53
Speaker 3: just opening up another pipeline in my opinion, or perhaps
38:56
Speaker 3: am I being too cynical?
38:58
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think it's possible in the present world.
39:01
Speaker 1: Be Mark, let's come back to you now, and what
39:05
Speaker 1: are the thing tanks up to with we're basically coming
39:08
Speaker 1: back on the Trump I suppose in a certain certain degree.
39:11
Speaker 1: But what are the thing tanks up to?
39:15
Speaker 5: Well, Mike, I had a hunch that they'd be going
39:18
Speaker 5: kind of crazy and really really stewing over Trump's inauguration
39:23
Speaker 5: it's hard enough for them to accept that he got
39:25
Speaker 5: re elected, but here comes the inaugural. Oh no, it's real.
39:29
Speaker 5: This isn't some sort of globalist nightmare. This guy's really
39:33
Speaker 5: going to be president again. Well I went looking around
39:37
Speaker 5: and on this slide the usual suspects out of the
39:41
Speaker 5: Chicago Council on Global Affairs, the former Chicago CFR very busy.
39:46
Speaker 5: They do have the World Review with Evo Dalder, the
39:49
Speaker 5: CEO of the Chicago Council, on a regular basis, but
39:53
Speaker 5: they're really focusing heavily on Trump. This one included Evo
39:59
Speaker 5: interviewing and Glasser of the New Yorker Philip Stevens. Of
40:03
Speaker 5: course he's from the UK. He's the US editor for
40:06
Speaker 5: Financial Times and Foreign Policies. Ravi agrowall foreign policy being
40:12
Speaker 5: more of a think tank itself. But think tanks are
40:15
Speaker 5: becoming more like media outlets, and I've got an article
40:19
Speaker 5: on the ukc website about that. But anyway, we have
40:22
Speaker 5: a short video by the Chicago Council CEO, Evil Doll.
40:26
Speaker 5: They're a former US on boy to NATO, and it
40:28
Speaker 5: sets the tone for the discussion.
40:33
Speaker 11: Hello everyone, this is World Review with Evo Dolder, a
40:36
Speaker 11: weekly look at news from around the world, produced by
40:38
Speaker 11: the Chicago Council and Global Affairs. It is Friday, January ten, well,
40:44
Speaker 11: a little over a week in the new year. We've
40:46
Speaker 11: had more than a year's worth of news. Buckle your
40:49
Speaker 11: seat belts for the remainder of this year. So let's
40:52
Speaker 11: start with some strange stories. The return of nineteenth century
40:58
Speaker 11: imperialism where Donald Trump's threat to seize Panama, invade Greenland,
41:04
Speaker 11: and annex Canada. No, this is not normal, but Trump
41:09
Speaker 11: appears quite serious about his intentions and we should take
41:14
Speaker 11: him seriously as well. So what do these intentions really
41:17
Speaker 11: mean for US relations with allies? Remember, Greenland is a
41:21
Speaker 11: part of NATO and Canada is a founding member of NATO.
41:25
Speaker 11: And what does it mean for the world.
41:31
Speaker 5: A couple of things before we go on to the
41:33
Speaker 5: next slide. Mike, he said that Trump might seize Panama.
41:39
Speaker 5: It's typical of these thing tankers often typical of them
41:43
Speaker 5: to overstate or over generalize. Trump, of course, would not
41:46
Speaker 5: seize Panama. He believes it's proper that the US, which
41:51
Speaker 5: mainly built the Panama Canal, and that's both a military
41:55
Speaker 5: and commercial asset. Trump thinks it's proper that since the
41:59
Speaker 5: US control that canal from about nineteen oh four all
42:02
Speaker 5: the way to nineteen ninety nine. The late President Carter
42:06
Speaker 5: started the transfer of sovereignty in nineteen seventy seven, but
42:10
Speaker 5: it took all the way until nineteen ninety nine for
42:13
Speaker 5: that transfer to happen. But Trump believes that that specific
42:17
Speaker 5: asset belongs in the US. US again US control. Now
42:23
Speaker 5: some might disagree with Trump, but he's not going to
42:26
Speaker 5: seize Panama. And the idea that Trump would literally annex
42:30
Speaker 5: Canada as the fifty first state, it's a very unrealistic
42:34
Speaker 5: thing to think about. Canada is of course massive in
42:38
Speaker 5: its land mass, and to say that that whole country
42:41
Speaker 5: would be the fifty first state, when some of the
42:44
Speaker 5: provinces alone are the size of three or four US
42:47
Speaker 5: states is just kind of some ridiculous hyperbole. I think
42:53
Speaker 5: Trump is more interested in Canada's philosophy, is ideology, the
42:58
Speaker 5: direction that it's going. But I have no reason to
43:01
Speaker 5: believe from my long experience in journalism, that he would
43:05
Speaker 5: literally annex Canada. Now Greenland. I've got some interesting things
43:08
Speaker 5: to show in a few minutes, but this next slide
43:12
Speaker 5: I spelled out kind of what the think tanks are
43:14
Speaker 5: looking at. Is Trump a plain old isolationist wanting a
43:19
Speaker 5: fortress America and then the Atlantic Ocean is just a
43:22
Speaker 5: moat around the US castle. Or is he a great
43:25
Speaker 5: power imperialist bent on seizing lands and assets hitherin Yon
43:31
Speaker 5: Or and probably this is the.
43:32
Speaker 2: Most likely one.
43:33
Speaker 5: Is he a Monroe doctrinist wanting to reinstate the eighteen
43:38
Speaker 5: twenties Monroe doctrine and reduce worldwide policing by the US
43:44
Speaker 5: and mainly police and control of the Western hemisphere. That's
43:48
Speaker 5: the most likely one. The think tankers are considering all
43:52
Speaker 5: of these options. And I put also on the slide
43:55
Speaker 5: amid an expected increased emphasis on Latin America. How does
44:00
Speaker 5: this all fit together in its norm busting bullying way.
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Speaker 5: And that's what one of the guests for Evil dolld
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Speaker 5: had to say, that Trump is norm busting and bullying.
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Speaker 5: And that was that statement was from Ravi Agrowah, a
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Speaker 5: Foreign policy the editor in chief there, and like EVL. Dolder,
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Speaker 5: he's under the impression that Trump is literal to the
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Speaker 5: core in everything he's saying. And he said, quote, you're right,
44:26
Speaker 5: we should take Trump literally and seriously to use Peter
44:30
Speaker 5: Thiel's line, and I'm not exactly sure what Peter THEO
44:34
Speaker 5: said about that. But another thing to mention, Mike is
44:38
Speaker 5: that one thing about Donald Trump is that he makes broad,
44:43
Speaker 5: bold and often jolting statements. But I think largely it's
44:47
Speaker 5: to give the press something to stew over, give the
44:50
Speaker 5: think tank something to stew over while he does back
44:54
Speaker 5: channel dealing. One of the realities of politics is there's
44:59
Speaker 5: things published for or public consumption, and then there's the
45:02
Speaker 5: actual deals wag the dog that actually go on. So
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Speaker 5: they'll be probably a purchase price and some monetary wheeling
45:11
Speaker 5: and dealing with the Panama Canal and with Greenland too.
45:16
Speaker 5: The idea that he would outright seize these places, I
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Speaker 5: think is just unrealistic. Maybe the events in the coming
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Speaker 5: weeks and months will prove me wrong, but we'll be
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Speaker 5: watching it very closely now. Project Syndicate on this next
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Speaker 5: slide is kind of a coalition of thing tankers and
45:35
Speaker 5: they all contribute to this website. It's kind of like
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Speaker 5: substack for the elite at any rate. This particular November eighth,
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, this is right after the election. While
45:50
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's capricious approach to politics always lent an air
45:54
Speaker 5: of unpredictability, which is what I'm saying to his previous
45:57
Speaker 5: four years in the White House. He has he has
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Speaker 5: another four years. He has had another four years while
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Speaker 5: he was out of the presidency while Biden was in
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Speaker 5: to nurse his resentments and to plan what will he
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Speaker 5: and his cadres do now that they have their hands
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Speaker 5: back on the levers of American power. And they had
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Speaker 5: various thing tankers chime in, and one of them, I
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Speaker 5: believe is in the next slide. I can cite what
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Speaker 5: that person had to say. No, the next one after that,
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Speaker 5: I think we can move forward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Anne Marie Slaughter, a Builderberg attendee CEO of the New
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Speaker 5: America think tank. She had this to say in that
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Speaker 5: Project Syndicate article, Americans are angry at prices for groceries, transportation, medication, childcare,
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Speaker 5: and other necessities that have often reached absurd level. She's
46:46
Speaker 5: correct about that anger often reflects fear, and there's plenty
46:51
Speaker 5: to be afraid of in a deeply uncertain and violent world.
46:55
Speaker 5: She's talking kind of about Trump here to be afraid
46:57
Speaker 5: of him. It also reflects the persistent sense that America itself.
47:02
Speaker 5: It's infrastructure, health system, borders, and the political system is broken.
47:07
Speaker 5: So she's not altogether wrong there. She did add this though, notwithstanding,
47:13
Speaker 5: notwithstanding Joe Biden's many successes, donald Trump's dark visions. I
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Speaker 5: added that emphasis captured the national mood he won as
47:22
Speaker 5: an angry, battering ram of change aimed at the system itself. Now,
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Speaker 5: I think that one thing that could be pointed out
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Speaker 5: there is that given all the things she said that
47:33
Speaker 5: are correct, Americans have her right, like Brits, like the
47:37
Speaker 5: citizens of the UK, to be very angry. There's nothing
47:41
Speaker 5: wrong with being angry if you have a good reason
47:43
Speaker 5: to be angry. And people did see in Donald Trump,
47:47
Speaker 5: like him or not, whether they're correct or not, a
47:50
Speaker 5: more forceful personality, someone who's willing to stand up and
47:53
Speaker 5: address some of these problems. Of course, the proof will
47:56
Speaker 5: be in the putting when things actually come down in
47:59
Speaker 5: the weeks and months.
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Speaker 2: Head.
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Speaker 5: One other thing Tanker that had something to say, Professor
48:05
Speaker 5: Charles Kupchin, a Senior Council on Foreign Relations fellow. He
48:10
Speaker 5: said Trump's win does not augur well for the political
48:13
Speaker 5: center globally, including in Europe, where the ideological extremes continue
48:17
Speaker 5: to gain ground. Many of the world's democracies appear to
48:20
Speaker 5: be headed for a prolonged period of polarization and illiberal populism.
48:25
Speaker 5: That's a favored think tank phrase. With the US leading
48:28
Speaker 5: the way, Trump's return to power, I emphasized, should therefore
48:31
Speaker 5: serve as a wake up call, prompting urgent efforts to
48:35
Speaker 5: tackle the factors that have hollowed out political centrism and
48:39
Speaker 5: fueled the growth of strident populism. Something that's very incorrect
48:44
Speaker 5: about that statement is populism in its most common forms
48:48
Speaker 5: is the political center. It's not far right or even
48:51
Speaker 5: far left. Characterizing populism as far right is largely incorrect. Now,
48:57
Speaker 5: one thing that I found very surprising and all wind
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Speaker 5: up here, Mike, is it's not real well known in
49:04
Speaker 5: my estimation, that the US already has a military base
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Speaker 5: in Greenland. So this opens kind of a new range
49:12
Speaker 5: of thinking, a new line of thinking. It's called the
49:16
Speaker 5: Toofkit if I'm saying it right. The Tokit Space Base,
49:20
Speaker 5: the US Space Force that Trump created, they have a
49:24
Speaker 5: base in northwestern Greenland. They call it the Top of
49:27
Speaker 5: the World. There's a picture of their sign there, and
49:32
Speaker 5: there's the pronunciation Bidufik. It's actually called formerly known as
49:37
Speaker 5: Tully Air Force Base, located in the Greenland, a country within
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Speaker 5: the Kingdom of Denmark and inhabited by approximately fifty six
49:44
Speaker 5: thousand people. Greenland, by the way, is three times the
49:47
Speaker 5: size of Texas at eight hundred and forty thousand square
49:49
Speaker 5: miles at any rate. People can freeze and read that
49:53
Speaker 5: slide for details, but it's they include a missile defence
49:57
Speaker 5: system up there, an early warning system, things like that.
50:01
Speaker 5: The other slide that I threw in includes some miscellaneous
50:04
Speaker 5: pictures if people want to look at it, But it's
50:06
Speaker 5: an interesting twist there that the US already has a
50:09
Speaker 5: military presence there. So chances are Trump, if he doesn't
50:14
Speaker 5: buy Denmark or by excuse me, by Greenland outright from Denmark,
50:18
Speaker 5: would would simply expand or extend the existing military presence
50:23
Speaker 5: there and probably work out concessions for the prodigious amount
50:28
Speaker 5: of natural resources that is there. So there's a lot
50:32
Speaker 5: of nuance involved. And I'll be watching this very closely
50:35
Speaker 5: when Trump gets in and see what he actually does
50:38
Speaker 5: compared to his rhetoric, rather than jumping to conclusions like
50:41
Speaker 5: the think tanks.
50:43
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark w let's come back to you then, and
50:47
Speaker 1: what's the liddest on future health?
50:50
Speaker 3: Hmm, Well, we've got an interesting situation going on here
50:53
Speaker 3: because I don't know what's going on. We've got people
50:55
Speaker 3: dying in corridors, we've got people struggling to access care,
50:58
Speaker 3: and then we've got other people that are being summoned
51:00
Speaker 3: info tests. So it's quite a confusing picture. So I
51:03
Speaker 3: want to just show you a few examples of some
51:05
Speaker 3: comments that will be put here to me on X.
51:08
Speaker 3: So this is Joyce who is keeping on getting letters.
51:12
Speaker 3: She's getting absolutely barraged by letters asking her to go
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Speaker 3: for jabs and tests, and goodness knows what We've got
51:19
Speaker 3: Sarah Sarah next, who had to change her breath activated
51:23
Speaker 3: CFC free asthma inhaler to lower her carbon footprint, but
51:28
Speaker 3: of course this is breath activated when she's already struggling
51:32
Speaker 3: to breathe. Then we've got Yazzi who's been refused asthma
51:36
Speaker 3: medication until she went for her annual review, but no
51:40
Speaker 3: one bothered to listen to the chest or do a
51:43
Speaker 3: peak flow. Now, medical reviews and medicine reviews I do
51:47
Speaker 3: actually support because it would be really good for people
51:49
Speaker 3: to reduce their medicines. However, then Forteskew made another comment
51:55
Speaker 3: and said that they were getting letters our future health.
51:59
Speaker 3: Now we have covered our future health before and I'll
52:01
Speaker 3: go back to that in a minute, but I thought
52:03
Speaker 3: it's time to revisit our future health. So let's look
52:07
Speaker 3: at the twenty twenty twenty three November when Fergus Walsh,
52:13
Speaker 3: the BBC Health Correspondence was reporting our future health article.
52:17
Speaker 3: Here most have high cholesterol health projects suggests Well. Further
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Speaker 3: on in the article they talk about one million volunteers
52:24
Speaker 3: have already signed up. They actually want five millions, so
52:28
Speaker 3: don't get too excited. But they discovered that young people
52:31
Speaker 3: have got high cholesterol. Well, let's just remember the treatment
52:34
Speaker 3: for high cholesterol is statins. And i've this is a
52:38
Speaker 3: work in progress, but I actually have found a study
52:41
Speaker 3: that would seem to suggest that perhaps there's high cholesterol
52:44
Speaker 3: levels linked with the COVID vaccine. But that's a work
52:48
Speaker 3: in progress. So what have you got to look out for? Well,
52:50
Speaker 3: in here in Sussex world, those of you in Hastings,
52:54
Speaker 3: keep an eye out because this is the porter cabin
52:56
Speaker 3: that's coming your way. This is where you would have
52:59
Speaker 3: to go for your medical tests. So what are you
53:03
Speaker 3: actually looking for a cider container or a porter cabin
53:06
Speaker 3: will You're looking for letters? And that's what people are
53:08
Speaker 3: getting through their doors right now, including myself. Actually I've
53:12
Speaker 3: got two letters. This is just one of two inviting
53:15
Speaker 3: me to take part in our future health and I'd
53:18
Speaker 3: be given a ten pounds High Street voucher in return
53:22
Speaker 3: for my weights, my analysis of DNA and interrogation my
53:26
Speaker 3: blood pressure. I call it a data scam. But you
53:29
Speaker 3: have actually got to ask yourself what desperation or what
53:33
Speaker 3: desperate measures do you have to be to accept a
53:36
Speaker 3: ten pounds High streetcard? Or is this all about being
53:40
Speaker 3: seen to do good? So who are they? Who are
53:44
Speaker 3: our future health? And I went to have a look
53:45
Speaker 3: and found out that they were actually a company and
53:49
Speaker 3: a charity. So I trotted off to company's house where
53:53
Speaker 3: I found that they were based in Salford as a
53:55
Speaker 3: private limited company without share capital use of limited exempt.
54:00
Speaker 3: Now I don't know much about that, so Mike might
54:02
Speaker 3: be able to add a bit on that in a minute,
54:04
Speaker 3: but we can find that John Bell, Sir John Bell,
54:07
Speaker 3: of course, remember Life Sciences and a bunch of others
54:10
Speaker 3: are in charge at the Helm Now this company was
54:13
Speaker 3: previously known as Early Detection Research Project UK so that's
54:19
Speaker 3: the company. Bit so off, I trotted to the Charities
54:22
Speaker 3: Commission and I found out that their total income was
54:25
Speaker 3: sixty two million pounds. Now there is a discrepancy in that,
54:28
Speaker 3: as you'll see in a minute, but income of sixty
54:31
Speaker 3: two million from one government grant and that comes from
54:34
Speaker 3: the uk HRA. But it also tells me the Charity Commission,
54:38
Speaker 3: because they're very helpful, that they have one hundred and
54:41
Speaker 3: sixty six interesting number there, one hundred and sixty six
54:44
Speaker 3: employees with thirteen trustees. One member of staff, who I'm
54:49
Speaker 3: presuming is the CEO, is in receipt of between two
54:52
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand to three hundred thousand pounds a
54:56
Speaker 3: year of benefits and approximately over half of all staff
55:01
Speaker 3: are in receipt of salaries, with total benefits between sixty
55:05
Speaker 3: and seventy thousand. So that's a lot of money. So
55:09
Speaker 3: what are they after, well, our future health, quite clearly
55:12
Speaker 3: on their website, are after your blood. They've already well,
55:17
Speaker 3: they're already proudly saying they've got over a million samples.
55:20
Speaker 3: They're the world's largest research program of its kind. So
55:24
Speaker 3: who's in charge. Who's the CEO. This is doctor ragkib Ali,
55:29
Speaker 3: who is He's got a long story. He basically came
55:32
Speaker 3: from nothing. His parents are very very proud of him
55:35
Speaker 3: because he came from nothing. And he's the signatory on
55:38
Speaker 3: the letter that you will receive through your letterbox anytime soon.
55:43
Speaker 3: So let's go and look at the trustees. Well, here
55:46
Speaker 3: we go again. There's loads of them, but two of
55:48
Speaker 3: interest John Sir John Bell again and we're just going
55:51
Speaker 3: to link some names with him. Welcome Gates Foundation, Rhodes Trust,
55:56
Speaker 3: Life Sciences, Champion Genomics England. He enabled the development tests
56:00
Speaker 3: where we all know where they got us. And then
56:03
Speaker 3: we've got Sally Osman who's BBC. She was also the
56:05
Speaker 3: communications director for Queen Elizabeth. She's worked for Sony Sky
56:09
Speaker 3: Channel five, and there's a whole bunch of others. But
56:13
Speaker 3: where does your data go? Well, it's quite simple. Your
56:16
Speaker 3: data goes plenty of places. It goes to researchers, it
56:19
Speaker 3: goes to universities, it goes to charities, NHS and companies
56:24
Speaker 3: that are involved in health research. And here's an example
56:27
Speaker 3: of just one of the studies. Because you're giving your
56:29
Speaker 3: data here what's one of the studies. So this one's
56:32
Speaker 3: mood disorders, where they're looking at your lifestyle, smoking, alcohol, exercise, sleep,
56:37
Speaker 3: whether you're bipolar, maybe you're depressed, are you anxious? What
56:40
Speaker 3: impact does your mental health have on your physical health?
56:43
Speaker 3: More data, more control? But who funds them? Well, we've
56:47
Speaker 3: got another list of names you'll recognize. So we've got
56:51
Speaker 3: amjen AstraZeneca, Jansen, Glackso Smith Klein, Roach, Illumina, and seventy
56:58
Speaker 3: nine million. Now research innovation. This is your money, this
57:03
Speaker 3: is your tax right. So who are they working with? Well,
57:09
Speaker 3: they're working with lots of charities and you're going to
57:11
Speaker 3: recognize a lot of these names to cancer Research, British
57:14
Speaker 3: art Foundation, Alzheimer's, Diabutes, UK Stroke Association, all the normal
57:19
Speaker 3: all the normal names. But who are their partners? Their
57:22
Speaker 3: industry partners, because they get interesting too, and you can
57:24
Speaker 3: see plenty here, a whole list including Pfizer, nov Artists,
57:29
Speaker 3: and a whole heap more. But so who are these
57:32
Speaker 3: million people who is actually participating in this because they
57:35
Speaker 3: want five million. So we can see that the biggest
57:38
Speaker 3: group is the sixty to sixty nine year olds, followed
57:41
Speaker 3: by the fifty to fifty nine year olds, fifty seven
57:45
Speaker 3: percent of female, with forty two point nine percent male
57:49
Speaker 3: and zero point one percent decided they didn't want to answer.
57:52
Speaker 3: But when we go to ethnicity and who else is participating,
57:55
Speaker 3: we can see that eighty one point five percent of
57:58
Speaker 3: white British, a seven point one percent white other and
58:03
Speaker 3: other eleven point four percent which includes mixed race Asian, Indian, Caribbean, Pakistanian, Bangladeshi.
58:10
Speaker 3: And if you want more information on our future health,
58:13
Speaker 3: because it's a big topic at the moment, a lot
58:15
Speaker 3: of people are talking about it, and just want to
58:17
Speaker 3: remind you that we did report upon it on the
58:20
Speaker 3: fifteenth of February twenty twenty three. So in two years
58:24
Speaker 3: they've had one million people sign up. I don't think
58:27
Speaker 3: that's a huge amount, So I do think there is
58:30
Speaker 3: there's hope that please you know, consider what you're signing
58:33
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58:36
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Speaker 3: So your future, your choice, your body, your data, your decision.
1:00:39
Speaker 1: Back to you, Mike, it's not my data if I go,
1:00:42
Speaker 1: if I go for that appointment, it's their data. It
1:00:45
Speaker 1: becomes their data as soon as you hand it over,
1:00:46
Speaker 1: So there you go. But anyway, Debbie, you know we will. Sorry, Mark,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: did you have a comment you wanted to make on this?
1:00:55
Speaker 2: Oh I'm champing at the bed on the next item here?
1:00:58
Speaker 1: Oh I see right, okay, right, okay, Well let's bring
1:01:01
Speaker 1: the next item right on because we're running out of time.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: But let's do that because Mark Carnage has announced that
1:01:07
Speaker 1: he is in because Trudeau, of course, has resigned in
1:01:11
Speaker 1: Canada and Mark Carney is a member of the Liberal Party,
1:01:15
Speaker 1: so he's decided to run for the leadership. He wants
1:01:18
Speaker 1: to be the next Canadian Prime Minister. Mark very very briefly,
1:01:23
Speaker 1: in fact, yeah, very briefly, because we're going to talk
1:01:26
Speaker 1: about this more an extra. But this must be fantastic
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Speaker 1: news for all of Canada.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: I'm glad to know that his real name is Carnage.
1:01:35
Speaker 5: I thought it was Carney. I'm glad that we got
1:01:37
Speaker 5: that straight.
1:01:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:01:38
Speaker 5: Finally the banker comes out from behind the curtain and says, Okay,
1:01:42
Speaker 5: the proxy rule is over. I'm going to expose myself.
1:01:46
Speaker 5: I'll be the actual leader now. So at least a
1:01:48
Speaker 5: banker is no longer standing in the shadows. I'll leave
1:01:51
Speaker 5: it at that.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you've got to be careful using the
1:01:53
Speaker 1: term to expose yourself with anybody in authority these days.
1:01:56
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about more about that extra. W You've
1:01:59
Speaker 1: got a final video clip force, which may be referencing
1:02:03
Speaker 1: something that you mentioned earlier on in the program.
1:02:07
Speaker 3: So and finally, nineteen seventy six, the film Logan's Run
1:02:11
Speaker 3: where Utopia was in reality dystopia. And I feel at
1:02:15
Speaker 3: the moment as though my name is Logan and what
1:02:17
Speaker 3: am I running from? Am I running from the NHS.
1:02:20
Speaker 3: Here's a very short trailer if you haven't caught it before,
1:02:23
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. Logan's Run.
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Speaker 13: Puts the future in.
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Speaker 2: The palm of your hand.
1:02:31
Speaker 13: This is the twenty third century. We're sophisticated. Technology has
1:02:35
Speaker 13: created an automated world of workings, our world beyond imagination
1:02:43
Speaker 13: until now. It is filled with beauty and the vitality
1:02:50
Speaker 13: of you.
1:02:51
Speaker 11: Pleasure is the way of life.
1:02:55
Speaker 13: But in the twenty third century, life last is thirty years,
1:03:00
Speaker 13: not one day less, not one day or when the
1:03:04
Speaker 13: crystal in the palm of your hand flashes its final message,
1:03:08
Speaker 13: your time is. But there are a few rebels who
1:03:12
Speaker 13: run in search of sanctuary. Logan, trained to enforce the law,
1:03:19
Speaker 13: dares to become a runner himself. He and the girl
1:03:23
Speaker 13: who loves him become the hunted when they set off
1:03:26
Speaker 13: on Logan's Run, a fantastic adventure through the twenty third century.
1:03:44
Speaker 13: The twenty third century will be here sooner than you think,
1:03:48
Speaker 13: coming this summer Logan's Run.
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Speaker 3: So have we already arrived?
1:03:58
Speaker 1: It's not far away. I think it's pretty dystopian. If
1:04:01
Speaker 1: anybody hasn't seen that, you should watch it. Okay, look,
1:04:03
Speaker 1: we got to leave it there for today. Thank you
1:04:05
Speaker 1: very much to Debbie and Mark for joining me. And
1:04:07
Speaker 1: thank you all for watching. We'll be back in a
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Speaker 1: few minutes on the live stream if you're a UK
1:04:12
Speaker 1: column member for a bit of news extra. Otherwise, hope
1:04:16
Speaker 1: everyone is a great weekend and we will see at
1:04:18
Speaker 1: one pm as usual on Monday. See then, bye bye,