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Charlie Adelson Trial Day 4 - The Prosecution Tightens The Case · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  As mayor of Realville, he offers a state of the Nation every single day.
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  This is the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Thirty five minutes after the
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  hour of The Morning Show with Preston Scott, that's Grant Allen and joining us
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  on the program once again, Carl Steinbeck, and he is covering this trial
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  for us, giving his expert background and analysis, is bringing it all to
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  bear. I guess on the proceedings. The trial of Charlie Aedelson. Day
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  four took place yesterday. Carl is former prosecutor as well as state public defender,
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  military defense counsel and again our guest this morning, Carl, Good morning,
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  How are you. Good morning, Preston. What stood out to you
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  yesterday? If you were to kind of capsule for our listeners who are not
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  able necessarily to sit by their TV or their feed and watch the trial.
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  What stands out from yesterday? What's the high point? Well, yesterday we
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  had a number of law enforcements asients come forward to testify, and we also
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  had ritually all of the remaining of the wire taps and the other type videos
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  like the Dulce Vida videotape, which is where the bump happened, and then
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  we had this scramble to try to figure out what was the one who was
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  this? Was it law enforcement or was it some gang members that are trying
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  to extort money from the Aedelsons. So what happened was we had Charlie meeting
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  with Katie in the Dulce Vida restaurant down there in the Fort Lauderdale area,
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  and they were talking about what to do, and Charlie actually told Katie to
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  fix this problem and if necessary, she needs to kill this person who's asking
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  for the five thousand dollars. So that was really damning testimony. He also
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  talked about if we knew they had evidence against us, we'd be leaving the
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  country as well. So that was critical information I thought that they got in
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  yesterday, but was very key is that they had in the agent. But
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  two things that Wendy Agelson had said earlier in her testimony. She had stated
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  that she was not unfaithful to her boyfriend Jeff Licasse, and the FBI agent
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  testify that the records showed that she had been seeing somebody on a regular basis
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  the whole time she was dating Jeff Laicus. And also Wendy had stated that
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  there was unfettered access that Dan Markel's grand parents up in Canada, the grandparents
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  of his two boys. There was visitations of approximate an average of two a
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  year, but the agent testified that there was like none for a six year
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  period and only recently after the state law came in at effect, the Markel
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  Act was they were they starting to grant some visitations and it seemed to coincide
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  with an upcoming court date. So really it really made Wendy look bad.
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  And so I think the state is just really crushing it against the defense.
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  The defense really doesn't have much to offer. I was going to say,
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  you know that dulce vita recording. They you know, the prosecution, the
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  state presented the analysis of it, how it was done, allowed for the
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  cross examination of the expert that did the cleanup, if you will, of
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  the audio, and the things that you've mentioned would be enough. I mean,
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  I've mentioned before carl I sat on a grand jury for six months.
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  There's more evidence in this case than any individual case I came across as a
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  grand juror. There's more circumstantial evidence. It's just piling up. And when
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  Charlie said what he did, about we'd leave the country if they had anything.
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  My god, that just ends the claim that this was some extortion attempt
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  against them. Oh totally. I mean, there is like no need I
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  even think for the evidence yesterday, it'd have to come forward. That's how
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  strong the case was in the previous days from the government's case in chief.
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  So I think the government and could even wrap it up as soon as today
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  and then we'll hear just from probably two witnesses from the defence and then probably
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  Charlie because think about a presence. So far, they have not introduced a
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  single shread of detail of how this supposed extortion blackmail scheme took effect, other
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  than some general questions to Katie mcbahnwa. In between the go between between Charlie
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  and the two hitmen, I had a listener right in and say what was
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  interesting to her is they showed the video of the bump and a Apparently it
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  was a headline of a newspaper article about the murder that was handed by the
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  FBI undercover agent to Donna Adelson, and that she never ever looked at the
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  paper. She just folded it up and walked away. Not the type of
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  thing you would do unless you knew exactly what it was about. Right.
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  That was really a brilliant move by law enforcement, because what they didn't want
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  to do was scare her so much at that moment that she could maybe call
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  nine to one one right there, So that there was a very soft general
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  approach. He's very respectful to her and so but he told her enough it
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  was it had something to do about the business up north, and just by
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  that alone, she knew what this was about. She knew this was about
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  the killing of Dan Mark Hill. It's so obvious to the jury. This
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  the morning show, Preston Scott forty one minutes past, Carl Steinbeck with us
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  a seasoned attorney and helping us as analyst. Here the trial of Charlie Edelson,
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  Carl as a prosecutor. It looks as though they are revealing evidence that
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  just clinches this against Charlie Adelson. So I'm just curious, are they beginning
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  to lay the groundwork in this trial for a trial against Donna, Adelson and
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  Wendy Absolutely. I think the evidence is so strong against Donna right now that
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  if she was sitting at the table next time, also as a co defendant,
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  as a co conspirator, they would absolutely convict her as well. And
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  I think the evidence against Wendy we don't have as much as a digital trail
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  because they intentionally and smartly they thought kept her out of the discussions and whatnot,
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  But what they failed to do was be aware of the other things that
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  she was doing that indicated she was fully aware, fully on board. And
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  they also presented something on very key against Wendy. When she was down there
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  on July sixth, twelve days before Dana was murdered, she asked them what
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  was he doing between twelve and eighteen July? And guess what he got killed
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  on eighteen July. Yeah, that is remarkably damning. I'm curious, though,
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  are they able to get out of the country or is there any limitation
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  on Harvey, Donna, and even Wendy traveling outside the United States Unless there's
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  charges brought forward and they have restrictions on travel issued by the court, they
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  can freely come and go as they want right now. I had been told
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  by sources quite a while back that there were recordings of Charlie Aedelson checking on
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  private flying charter arrangements to leave the country, and that in fact, he
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  was bugged inside an airplane. I don't have any way of knowing that was
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  true, but the comment adulci Vita certainly opens the door to that being a
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  possibility. My question, though, is this, if they are right now
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  where they are, they're financially very well off. Would it surprise you if
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  they tried flee in the country. It wouldn't surprise me at all. These
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  people, I think, are very desperate at this point, having this lurking
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  over their shoulder. How do you sleep good at night knowing at any moment
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  we could be arrested? And I think the real pressure is going to happen
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  presson is when he goes to Florida State prisons with a conviction. I think
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  he's going to have a lot of problems with his own personal security. I
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  think there's going to be extortion issues. I think the prisoners will know about
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  him, and think about we have quite a few Arian nation types and prisons
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  as well. The prisoners there will know about him, and they're going to
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  know about this money, and I think they probably could put some heat also
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  on the other Athelstons who are not in prison and exhort them for money as
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  well, because their addresses are easily found but through Google searches. You know,
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  one that has not been mentioned in this proceeding at all is the other
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  brother, and he was featured in part in the podcast over My Dead Body.
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  I find him an interesting person because he seems to be concerned that this
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  was not beyond his family's capability, right. I think he would be a
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  good witness to talk about the fine family dynamics, the family dysfunction in particular,
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  Donna's extreme control and attempts to exert extreme control over the choices of spouses
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  and girlfriends of the boys in particular. And he could testify personally that the
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  wedge that was driven between him and somebody he loved and how Donna got made
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  him believe that he needed to get rid of her and marry a Jewish gale
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  and that wasn't in his heart of hearts, and he wound up leaving that
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  person and going back to his first true love. His life was sort of
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  messed up for a while too, so I think also would really be interesting
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  is he was talking to them right after this happened, because he was still
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  in constant communication with him all the other Agolson's I'm talking about, And I
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  think it would be pretty revealing to see what they were telling him about what
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  happened to Dan Mark Hill. And I think what they probably did is said
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  we weren't going to talk about this at all. So I think whatever they
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  said to him is going to be really revealing and showing that they were guilty
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  parties. Do you think the prosecution brings him in before the end of the
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  Charlie Aedelson trial. You know, he's on the witness list president. Whether
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  they do or not remains to be seen, But you know, I think
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  they got enough already so they don't have to. If they just want to
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  do a little extra, and because he's there, they're going to go ahead
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  and call him. But I mean, like I say, it's really a
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  slam dunk case to the prosecution, and everything's going really well. The brilliance
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  of the prosecution bringing all this digital evidence, all the emails, all the
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  phone calls, which can be very tedious, very complex, and it can
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  be very boring to the jury, It was exciting and riveting to the jury
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  the way they did this, So their graphics of all this evidence was just
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  phenomenal, and it was so easy for the jury to digest. So I
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  think it's all going to play very well in the end for the state.
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  Georgia Kapelman is very good at what she does. Carl, thanks for your
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  expertise. We'll talk again tomorrow, Yes, sir, thank you. Carl
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  Steinbeck with us on The Morning Show with Preston Scott