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Clare Eyes Full Hearts · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with I R Radio. Actually, it really does feel like
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  Speaker 1: we're back. I mean we are talking about Claire season.
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  Speaker 1: It's been months since we've had a season talking about
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  Speaker 1: and it's been great. Now, don't get me wrong. We've
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  Speaker 1: had a great time with the shows that we've been
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  Speaker 1: able to do, and it's been really thought we could
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  Speaker 1: go like eight months without talking about the season talent
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  Speaker 1: Actually that's just talent um. It actually has been great
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  Speaker 1: and we've got to do a ton of new things.
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  Speaker 1: But we're back talking about Claire season. It is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a season to talk about. This first episode is wild. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: before we break down Claire's season, I want to ask
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  Speaker 1: you about this game that you and Nick did. I
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  Speaker 1: had a text from Jared asking me to kind of
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  Speaker 1: fill in a video for you Tom for this game.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley tell us all about it. Okay, So Jerry does
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  Speaker 1: this thing. It's called the Shmowdown, and it's a movie
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  Speaker 1: of the contest. So you just act like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're in the w w E and you're competing as
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  Speaker 1: to who knows the most trivial, trivial small details of
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  Speaker 1: movie trivia. So they decided to do a Bachelor version
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  Speaker 1: of it, and I will say some of the questions
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  Speaker 1: were total gimmes, but some of them were hard, and
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  Speaker 1: some of them were gimmes that I could I blinked
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  Speaker 1: completely on, like Melissa Ryecroft, Okay, like what anyway? Nick
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  Speaker 1: and I the first couple of rounds pretty easy, breezy.
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  Speaker 1: Then we really got into it. You guys. Um, we
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  Speaker 1: had a big fight over if I was playing by
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  Speaker 1: the rules. He thought that Jared was like some secret
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor encyclopedia feeding me the answers, and I'm like, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: come on, now, come on. No. So you guys you
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  Speaker 1: can watch it. It's on YouTube. Just type in Ashley
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  Speaker 1: and Nick shmowdown Bachelor Trivia. It's forty five minutes. It's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit long, but people say in the comment
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  Speaker 1: that they don't even watch The Bachelor, and they were
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  Speaker 1: thoroughly entertained for that amount of time. I'd be entertained
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  Speaker 1: by you and Nick. Um. You know. The funny thing
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  Speaker 1: is Jared was always is always. If you don't know Jared,
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  Speaker 1: like that dude speaks in movie quotes. He speaks in
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  Speaker 1: the movie a trip like that guy is an encycling.
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  Speaker 1: He's the very first person I met that. Literally, he'll
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  Speaker 1: say something like did you come up with that? Or
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  Speaker 1: is that from a movie? And like, no, that's from
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  Speaker 1: some movie in the nineteen nineties. Like he just remember
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  Speaker 1: stuff that I never do. It's weird. It's weird. Baby.
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  Speaker 1: You don't remember the conversation we had at dinner a
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  Speaker 1: week ago, but you remember this line from a movie
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  Speaker 1: you've seen once. Like he will remember small little details
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  Speaker 1: about movies that he that he has seen a decade ago,
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  Speaker 1: once or twice. It's it's actually very impressive. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: go tune in. Where can people watch it at? What's YouTube?
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  Speaker 1: Well they just type in Ashley Nick Show Down back
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  Speaker 1: or Trivia Ashley and Nick into YouTube. It'll come out
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  Speaker 1: okay perfect. So Nick and I have you know, been
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  Speaker 1: on four seasons respectively of The Bachelor franchise and now
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  Speaker 1: Claire beats us with her fifth season. Are we ready
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  Speaker 1: to dive in? Let's dive in, Let's dive in? Um? Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I got a few texts from a few friends of mine.
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  Speaker 1: Uh And in fact, uh, there is an almost famous
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  Speaker 1: listener who I ran into at a scart My restaurant
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  Speaker 1: here in Denver. Just a few days ago, she had
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  Speaker 1: heard about a scar from the podcast came to it
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  Speaker 1: was asking me all about Clear season. I had already
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  Speaker 1: seen the episode, so I wasn't giving anything away, but
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  Speaker 1: she was stoked, so stoked about this season coming up. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, I'm so excited about it too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't say that every time. I don't want people
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  Speaker 1: to think that because I you know, and I know
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes the season just doesn't connect with me. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you and I both like have had the privilege of
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  Speaker 1: seeing some friends become needs. So of course we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be more excited about those seasons and this being
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  Speaker 1: one of them. And I think it's built up to
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  Speaker 1: be the season that we all expected. Right. So Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to a few friends this week, um,
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  Speaker 1: and they were really hoping this season like connected people
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  Speaker 1: more like it felt more relatable because of COVID, Like
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  Speaker 1: they didn't try to ignore COVID, they just dove into
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  Speaker 1: it and they did right. I mean it. This opening
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  Speaker 1: was so much better for me than the guy's packages. Like,
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  Speaker 1: this was awesome. No packages, isn't that crazy? That was
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  Speaker 1: some wasted trips for producers. Back in February, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: rule any packages, but I love the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: were like, Okay, this is how we dealt with it,
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  Speaker 1: and like, these guys are being sequestered, they're being tested
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  Speaker 1: because we were getting so many questions in the off
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  Speaker 1: season like how like how irresponsible of them to do that?
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  Speaker 1: And I like the way that they just were like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we were responsible. Thanks well, and so they showed that
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  Speaker 1: and I think nobody's gonna question their responsibility. Um. But
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  Speaker 1: here's another piece that I actually really enjoyed. I was
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  Speaker 1: watching Claire, so like, not only do we have Claire
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  Speaker 1: who gets asked to be the Bachelor in a sense
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere, like this wasn't expected. She's super excited. Um,
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  Speaker 1: she's in her mind formulating these ideas that she is gonna,
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  Speaker 1: uh potentially find somebody that she can share life with. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We hear her story of um, you know, her mom
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  Speaker 1: being in a care facility because of dimension to Alzheimer's,
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  Speaker 1: and then we also you know know the story of
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  Speaker 1: her father. So we're feeling for Claire. I'm feeling for
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  Speaker 1: Claire because there's just a lot of like heaviness in
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  Speaker 1: this situation and then she you know, COVID hits and
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  Speaker 1: things get delayed, and I I had, I personally had
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  Speaker 1: it like an emotional reaction to how she was probably
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  Speaker 1: feeling in this moment while it felt like the world
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  Speaker 1: was passing her by and her moment wasn't gonna ever happen.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I got emotional when she was sitting
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  Speaker 1: down with Harrison supposedly the night that they started filming,
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  Speaker 1: and she was talking about her dad, and I was
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  Speaker 1: just thinking, like, you know, her mom has Alzheimer's, her
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  Speaker 1: dad isn't here anymore, and I just want, like, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they should be just need to be so
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  Speaker 1: proud of her for the woman that they raised, because
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  Speaker 1: she's just definition woman empowerment. And I think that she's
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  Speaker 1: a great role model for girls out there, definitely, And
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  Speaker 1: so we're feeling for Clear and I think that's that's
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  Speaker 1: always an important thing for the show to do with
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  Speaker 1: the lead, is allow us because they've obviously been fans
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  Speaker 1: of her that they would have chose her if not,
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  Speaker 1: but like not all of us have been able to
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  Speaker 1: no Clear well over the last few years, and so
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  Speaker 1: right away, I thought this episode did a great job
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  Speaker 1: at really bringing the viewership onto team Team Claire. And
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  Speaker 1: that's for me. I know, you know, we know her.
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  Speaker 1: We want that for her, like um, we wanted that
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  Speaker 1: for her in this big moment. But the show, I
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  Speaker 1: thought that first opening to the show did an incredible
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  Speaker 1: job for all of us to go, all right, we'll
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  Speaker 1: follow this journey and we're gonna have a great time
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  Speaker 1: doing it. Absolutely. Now we just hope for the best.
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  Speaker 1: So Ashley, now we hope there's a good enough there's
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  Speaker 1: a good selection of men coming out of those limos, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where you step in here. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: stay quiet. Uh, let's run down. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you gotta go by names. I don't know what I
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  Speaker 1: remember all these guys, but I can tell you who
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  Speaker 1: I did remember in this list. That's important. Yeah, that's important. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Bennett, how can we not remember Bennett. He's the
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  Speaker 1: gentleman of Harvard, as I like to call him, as
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  Speaker 1: an ode to this social network. He comes in a Bentley.
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  Speaker 1: His name is Bennett. He has a white scarf around
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  Speaker 1: his tux like around his his his shoulders. He just
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  Speaker 1: presents himself like what's that word. It's not pompous, but
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  Speaker 1: he's very is it pompous, pompous. Yeah, you know what
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  Speaker 1: that reminds me of. It reminds and it makes me
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  Speaker 1: like get the shivers a little bit because this this
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  Speaker 1: isn't like, this doesn't end well. I don't think for Bennett.
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  Speaker 1: That's I don't know, but I just can't imagine. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he's a caricature of it and he's
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  Speaker 1: fine inside, but I think he's hamming this, this story,
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  Speaker 1: this characterization of him up and that would be great
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  Speaker 1: if that's the case, would be great. But I remember,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't remember the guy's name, but he caused
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  Speaker 1: just an absolute havoc. I think it was during Emily
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  Speaker 1: Maynard season. Yeah, flew in on a helicopter. He acted
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  Speaker 1: like he was he was rich and wealthy and that
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody could hold a light to him, and
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  Speaker 1: it just ended poorly for him. I hope he but
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  Speaker 1: he never played out of the character. I hope that
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  Speaker 1: Bennett just like plays up to the character and then
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  Speaker 1: we see like he's going to Okay, well that's a good, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's great. I would hope that I think he's going
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  Speaker 1: to um be a little bit more self aware than
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin was. Uh and in correction, it wasn't eventley that
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  Speaker 1: he rolled up. It was a Rolls Royce and Ben
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  Speaker 1: between you and I. He was on the date that
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  Speaker 1: I was at, and he definitely plays into it in
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  Speaker 1: like a very innocent way. That's that's great. Who else
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  Speaker 1: stands up to you? Um? Okay, So Ben, Ben came
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  Speaker 1: across as a night. He's a nice guy. I remember,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can say Ben and I know his
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  Speaker 1: face and I know like the vibes that I got
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  Speaker 1: from him, So that seems like a good one. You know. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I always like the guys. Yeah, I was like Ben's
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  Speaker 1: you know. No, I always have admiration for the guys
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  Speaker 1: that come off nervous right away because I know they
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  Speaker 1: care and I know this isn't familiar with them, and
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  Speaker 1: I know they like they're being authentically them because you
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  Speaker 1: can't like high nerves. And I say that just because
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  Speaker 1: it makes me feel a little bit better about myself,
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  Speaker 1: because I was so nervous that I just literally was
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  Speaker 1: terrible right out of the gate. And so when it
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  Speaker 1: I gets out nervous, I go, Okay, that guy is
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  Speaker 1: going to come into his own We're gonna see this
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  Speaker 1: progression of him and I'm like, I get I look
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  Speaker 1: forward to that because I know this experience is going
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  Speaker 1: to be good for them to come out of their show.
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  Speaker 1: Your book reminded me that I really have to go
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  Speaker 1: back and watch your you come out of the limo,
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  Speaker 1: because apparently you're like, I, um, my name is um
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  Speaker 1: Ben and really great to um uh meet you ladies.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's what you say. Oh it was so bad,
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  Speaker 1: as it was so bad, and I was very endearing.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, now I look back and I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I get it. But when these guys are nervous, I
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  Speaker 1: don't go, oh, that guy's a loser. He doesn't have game.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no, he's just he's just nervous. And I
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  Speaker 1: say that just to make myself feel better. I know, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who else? Okay, so Blake, um there's two Blakes and
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  Speaker 1: then they're both Blake m uh. There's Blake Monar, he's
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  Speaker 1: thirty one, and then there's Blake mo Noise and he's
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine. And I know that the twenty nine year
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  Speaker 1: old was the one who reached out to Claire during
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  Speaker 1: the COVID quarantine period and asked about her mom. She
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  Speaker 1: was so impressed by him She loved the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he took a risk just to check in on her,
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  Speaker 1: because if producers found out, I guess there would have
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  Speaker 1: been possibly a chance that they would have told him
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  Speaker 1: that he could no longer be part of the cast. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But she was. She was so into that that she
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  Speaker 1: kissed him, that they kissed in according to how we
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  Speaker 1: saw it on fold on TV, he was the first
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  Speaker 1: kiss before she kissed Dale. Yeah, you know what, I
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  Speaker 1: love that scene because this is uncharted territory for the show. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the guys were announced, then they have months
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  Speaker 1: of sitting with social media and knowing who's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: on her season, Like this is a different season. I
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  Speaker 1: like that he he didn't like try to Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he was like trying to flirter enhance
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  Speaker 1: the relationship. It sounded like what he reached out to
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  Speaker 1: do was just simply care for her. And I like that, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this show can be mad about that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's that show good character, that's great, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: she reinforced it. It It was okay. I'm sure he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the only one. Um, I'm sure there was others, she says.
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  Speaker 1: She says that he was the only one. Now I liked,
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  Speaker 1: I like, I wonder here did she say that? Did
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  Speaker 1: you make a point to say you're the only other
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  Speaker 1: one to hide others or not? I don't know. We'll see,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll find out. Right the show is not dumb,
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  Speaker 1: they'll the highlight. But either way, great move for him.
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  Speaker 1: He stood out to me and uh, right now he's
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Yeah. And from what we saw,
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  Speaker 1: we also see that he gets the first rose at
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  Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony after Dale gets the first impression rose.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's move down Chason. Um. I know Chason
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  Speaker 1: because I've met him before the show, so he obviously
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  Speaker 1: stood out. And I really liked his um night in
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  Speaker 1: char shining armor stunt as we saw it V. That
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  Speaker 1: was impressive because it wasn't fake. It wasn't like some
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  Speaker 1: like Halloween costume, like you see Harrison picking up at
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  Speaker 1: the end and like it's heavy. I love Harrison's line there,
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  Speaker 1: it's he's just good and he goes it smells like
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  Speaker 1: bad after shave, like so so good. Uh. And then Dale,
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  Speaker 1: Dale is the next one that I remember on the list.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how far do we go? Into talking about Dale.
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  Speaker 1: It's I don't think we talked about a lot because
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. We know he's gonna be around a while,
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  Speaker 1: and this show made no secrets. This isn't a spoiler.
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  Speaker 1: They I loved that. I did too, No, I did.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it because the show made no secrets that
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  Speaker 1: Dale is gonna not be Maybe we don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna be controversially as a character. What we do
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  Speaker 1: know is the guys have very strong reactions to his
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Claire, and we know that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a storyline throughout her time on this show. So I
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed it because it helped light to what we've kind
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  Speaker 1: of been hinting at or thinking that was going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But they left no secrets during this first episode. You did.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't like treat us like we were we were dumb,
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  Speaker 1: Like they knew that we knew things. They knew that
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  Speaker 1: you're that your average viewer, and knew that he's the
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  Speaker 1: one to watch out for um And like I maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe to two people who like are totally blind to
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  Speaker 1: pop culture news, maybe they were like, why are they
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  Speaker 1: talking about this guy so much? But I mean Claire
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  Speaker 1: even like they even keep the line in there where
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  Speaker 1: she says, I think that's my future husb. I think
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  Speaker 1: I just met my future husband. I have chills. And
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  Speaker 1: then Harrison comes over and to talk to her about
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  Speaker 1: that moment, and part of me is part of me
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  Speaker 1: initially was like, oh, Claire, this is silly. You've been
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  Speaker 1: waiting to meet him, like you you must have been
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  Speaker 1: talking to him all that. That's my first reaction. And
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  Speaker 1: then I like check myself and I go, actually, you
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  Speaker 1: acted the exact same way when you first met aired
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  Speaker 1: Like you had the exact same reaction. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: though a lead ever having this strong of reaction to
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  Speaker 1: one person, Like she was nervous around him. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was obviously nervous around her. But like there was
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  Speaker 1: a giddiness to both of them that I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: on a first episode. I've seen it during a season,
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  Speaker 1: but like their first talk together felt like these two
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  Speaker 1: like love struck puppies were meeting for the first time
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  Speaker 1: and they knew something, Like they just knew that this
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  Speaker 1: was something special. She like, she she kin, I'll say,
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  Speaker 1: like this she lost her bachelorette character, which happens at
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  Speaker 1: like you know as the weeks go on, but like
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  Speaker 1: night one, you're typically the bachelor bachelor all night like
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  Speaker 1: you are processing through you are uh, you know, leading conversations.
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  Speaker 1: You are helping these contestants become less nervous, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: she lost that character with him night one. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: had no cool, no cool, which is great. Hey, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so that that we're on the topic of Dale. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he gets the first impression Rose, which is absolutely no shocker.
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  Speaker 1: She thought he was her husband at first sight. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like in the teasers that not only is
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  Speaker 1: she going to continue to give him preferential treatment, favoritism perhaps,
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  Speaker 1: but the guys are also going to be like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the girl that you think he is? Which is
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  Speaker 1: basically classic for any sort of front runner early on
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  Speaker 1: definitely which we'll know his you know, his launder will
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  Speaker 1: be aired during the season, if he has it or not. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a front runner, you are gonna get the eyes,
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  Speaker 1: you have the target in your back from everybody in
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  Speaker 1: the house, like they are gonna i'm I can't think
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  Speaker 1: of a better word here, but they're gonna judge you
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  Speaker 1: out at all times because they're trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what's going on and why this is happening. Um, it
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  Speaker 1: just happens every reason. So we'll know Dale pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: I think by the end of the season we'll have
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  Speaker 1: to make a judgment called then. Uh. Somebody else to
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  Speaker 1: stood out to me was Easy? Easy? Easy was I
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  Speaker 1: mean there was like a connection there that I yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and uh. And he just seems like that guy that
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  Speaker 1: will stay around I don't know for how long, um,
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  Speaker 1: without causing too much havoc, which out without causing too
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  Speaker 1: much of a scene. But he'll just be that like
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: calming force in the house. Um. And he was confident,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like he he had a confidence that wasn't like annoying. UM.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So Easy stood out to me. He had a good swag,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a nice settled confidence. So actually, I'll say to Easy,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I have one more guy that that I thought would
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: stand out to me, and he did it and he
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: did not I was and I know you and I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: both had high hopes for this guy, and he just
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: kind of I felt disappeared. Tell me if you think
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I'm crazy. Jeremy the banker from Washington, d C. I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: just didn't like I just you didn't see a lot
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: of him. Banker from VC is the same one as
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he's the he's a is he a former football player?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think I remember the guy from a guy
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: from Arlington. Okay, so the guy from Arlington's football player. Yeah,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I remember. I put him in my top three yesterday
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: or last week. You didn't see a lot of them,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like you. You kind of saw him in some scenes,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: but he didn't stand out, which I really thought he would. Um,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that was just surprising to me. I guess, yeah, maybe
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: he doesn't stick around long well, or if he's a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: sneaky little guy and he comes up week four and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just blows our mind with attention. Joe stood out to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: me because he's an antise geologist, and so is my dad.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Let's see who else, and then the boy band the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: band manager, which of course we know why I would
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: think that he stood out. But he actually did get
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of screen time because I don't think he
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: got any any private time with Claire, and he was
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: very stressed about that, but he continued to sail on
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to next week. A lot of guys didn't get a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: time with Claire because of a big controversy this week.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, exactly where I was going to go, right
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: like right off the bat, uh episode one, we have
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: drama and and it's funny. You see one of the
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: contestants sit back and he goes, this is gonna get juicy,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and you like see him sit back in his couch
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: as this drama is unfolding in front of him. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it's the moment that we've talked about on this podcast before.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's where you go, oh my gosh, every but he's
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: gonna think this is scripted. Everybody's gonna think this is fake,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: but it's not. And I have a front row seat
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: at what will be shown on the show and it
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: is wild. Okay. Yeah, So that was between Joseph and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Tyler see Tyler see which is it's kind of a
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: blasphemous to call him Tyler, see right, Um, it's even
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: more blasphemous to call him Matthew McConaughey. Want to be
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: our little Matthew McConaughey. How rude. That is not an
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: accurate description of this Tyler. See. So he's just like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a meddler, you know. He was like, I have this
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: inside info and I can't wait to stir up the trauma.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And then he was like, I heard you Joseph have
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: been d m NG with a girl in my town,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and like you like to float around in girls d
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: m s and see if you can get attention. It's like, okay,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Like that's not that incriminating. If he were to say,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like he had a real girlfriend, that would be incriminating.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It would also be something that we've seen plenty of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: times before, so it wouldn't really like wide my eyes.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So I mean, here's the thing, Actually, do you have
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a problem with Are you on the side of Yosef? Like,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: do you agree with Claire's decision to keep Yosef around
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and let Tyler see go? Yes, because Tyler set was
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a drama queen. I didn't I thought that she was
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: going to eliminate both of them, being like I don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: need this drama, Like I'm so beyond this. Joseph didn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: come across as I needs to her saying he came
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: across pretty unlikable in my opinion. Uh he Also, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I do love the way she handled the situation. When
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it was brought to her, Joseph went up to her
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and then she was like okay, okay, okay. The second
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: she heard drama, She's like, I'm going to bring the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: other guy over here, and we're going to hash this
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: out in front of me, so I don't have to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: deal with any he said. First, he said, so I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: think that she handled it well, and then she walked
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: away saying like this is a waste of my time,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the other guy's time, so whatever, hash it out. She
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: had it great. I mean, I don't know why she
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: kept around. That was kind of weird, but okay. I
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: mean we've always said, right, like, the mark of a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: good lead on this show is not if we like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: him or not, like it's super easy to make people likable,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: but it's how they handled controversy in tough situations. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is fantastic, Like Claire did something
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and and no knock to Peter again. I love Peter
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: as a human, but like this is the thing that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: annoyed us the whole time with that was like put
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: your foot down, like say that this isn't okay, make
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and figure it out. And if they can't, then you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have to step in in those moments and make a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: decision for yourself. But like Claire showed, like right there,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: like this stuff. Any taking away from what is good
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: about this show is not gonna not gonna work this
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: season a right. That was a demonstration of her being
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: more mature in this situation and her having experience on
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the show. And I loved him. Yeah, it was. It
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was a good moment I thought for Claire, but also
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: an intriguing moment on a first episode. You don't see
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: this very often. It always shocks me these guys that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: come onto the show and they go Okay. I've seen
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: seasons and seasons in the past. I've seen kind of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like maybe not what works and not. You don't want
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to manipulate it, you want to be yourself, but like, hey,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: me being the guy to bring up the drama, me
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: being the guy to step into Like it never works,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So like how do they still do it? Like I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was so confused. It's like night one night,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: one night one, Like wait four weeks, see what happens.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: See if the guy is still around, see if it's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: getting serious. Then maybe like say something to him, like
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: say something to him first and say, hey, like I
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: know about this, tell me more, help me understand why
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you did this, so I can either be on your
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: team or you know, bring this up to the board
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: above you, which would be Claire, but sad night when
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: he just goes firing at it, like he had this
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: held again, maybe he had it held in for two
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: weeks and he was just like, I can't wait to
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: tell somebody, I'm freaking out. I know. He just jumped
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: into it. The guy didn't even bother him. He wasn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: even a conversation with the guy. He was not being
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: threatened whatsoever. He was like, I'm here and I'm going
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: to eliminate him a man myself. It's so crazy. It's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like you don't even know if Joseph is a threat
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: yet in the show, Like you don't even know if
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be around after tonight. So like it's not
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like this is the guy she's falling in love with.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like this guy has anything like a big
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: move for Tyler See, which didn't work out. On the end,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Tyler See obviously went home, which we're talking a bit
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: about who went home and who did. But the the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Joseph Tyler c drama definitely stole the show for a while,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: which again brings us to what you're saying, a lot
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of guys on this episode we didn't get to see
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and clear didn't get to speak with because of that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: drama on night one. Now, how many of those guys
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: do you know off top of your head that went
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: home didn't get to speak with her, because I feel
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like every guy that she sent home she did get
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to speak with a little bit at least. Um. I
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: know Page was upset that he get more time, But
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I do think she made a decision based on who
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: she spoke with and who she wasn't feeling. You're saying
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that she you don't think she eliminated anyone that she
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: did not speak with. I don't remember her eliminating anybody
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: she didn't speak with. Well, I do feel like the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: First Roads ceremony in the Second Road ceremony very similar
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: because at that point you really only get like ten
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: minutes tops of conversation with everybody unless you have a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: one on one with them the first week. So like, yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think that's if if she didn't talk to them,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that she kept them around for another week
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: so they could have a discussion. And if she did
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: talk to them and then she didn't feel anything, then
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: she was like okay, goodbye. Yeah. It was It is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of like physical to attraction like week one
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: two is it's like, okay, do we have that chemistry?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Do we have that vibe? And I attracted to you
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: physically and then you typically will send them home and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: she did that. But before she sent people home, we
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, Uh, Blake Moyne's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: set out because of his time kind of messaging Claire
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and caring for Claire during this break, which was something
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that we I think both are we're a fan of.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: We think it was a good move on his part. Yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I loved it, loved it. And then the other big
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: moment was just Dale getting the first impression Rose them kissing.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, not a shock at all. I feel like,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is this this is okay? I don't think this is
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: bad to say because she said I feel like that's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: my husband. So that's like a very extreme comment that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Dale could match at this point.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But I feel like she's more into Dale right now
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: than Dale isn'tto her. Yeah, I mean she what we
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: do see is that she's like, I mean, you can't
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: get any more into somebody. When you say I just
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: think I met my future, what I mean, Yeah, Like
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: there's no I don't think there's any higher praise for
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the somebody you're into than saying, hey, like I think
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna marry you. Um. So yeah, it's like almost
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: an obvious comment that I just said that. Well, I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: think it's a good comment to highlight, though. I think
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's obvious, but I think it's fair
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to say because we see this, you know, this dynamic
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: right now unfolding in front of us, where Claire is saying,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I just met my husband. We don't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: we haven't heard that from Dale. We don't know Dale's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: opinion of Claire ya, other than the fact that he's interested.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And we've seen future clips that point to them like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: waking up next to each other, so that seems to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: be some good progress. Yeah, bo. And also with their
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: kiss I was gonna say with their kiss, um, she
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: definitely like has her hands out ready to grab his face.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Then he leans in like when he sees that body,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like where's here, She's like going for him. Yeah, that's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a good move. I mean, she she kind of gave
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the universal sign for I want to kiss you. You You
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: put your hands up in the air and move it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: towards a person's face and see what happens. It's it's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's sweet and and but this love story is one
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that is obviously gonna be something we have to watch
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: about the season. Nobody, as we mentioned, left this episode
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: knowing or not knowing that there was something going on
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: with Dale and Claire that was unique and something we
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: don't see often. Now to close up this whole thought
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in this whole recap, because I think it's an important note, Ashley,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: what is your just theory on how this progresses? As
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: we see Dale and Claire get closer, as we know
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: they get closer, and the other guys have to respond,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: what is your theory for how this plays out? I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: feel like she gets to the point where she can't
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: fake um being into anybody else, and she's showing so
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: much favoritism towards Dale that the guys end up getting
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: very mad at her and angelous of Dale. And that's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: when Chris Harrison says we can't continue like this, Claire,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: or whatever he said along those lines, and that's when
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: she has to make the decision to just leave with
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Dale or continue this process as it normally would go.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely wild. Um, there was a scene there well,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: there's two things. Chris Harrison is the highlight of my thought.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: One is the comment that we've talked about now for
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: two weeks where he made this in that this is
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Claire season start to finish. That is even more confusing
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to me now than it was two weeks ago after
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: seeing this first episode, because we know that this something
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: happens that dramatically changes the Bachelorette. The second is Chris Harrison.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get a word for word,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: but everybody will know what I'm talking about, and that
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: seems time sitting with clear, he goes, um, this is
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: not good. This is not good, like he he hints that, like, okay,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So for me, if I had a bachelor sitting across
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: from me that has just fallen so madly in love
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that she's ready to leave, I don't know if Chris
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Harrison's typical response. I think he would celebrate love and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he would go, hey, like I get it, this is
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: not okay, like in terms of the show, but this
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: is so good to celebrate And maybe he does and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: we just didn't see that part, but it almost did me.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Part of you being like closed off to every other
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: man here is not good for us and TV reasons.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I have a theory that I mean, but she seems
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: happy like I had. It felt there that something had
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: happened in that moment that was like not good holistically,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: like all around not good. Something had occurred that like
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: even like she was upset about I don't know, like
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: pointed to more drama than I think we've known about,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and that might solve the question of is this clear
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: season start to finish, like is this is there more
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: here than what we understand and know yet? But then
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: how do you explain the other guys saying are we
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: going to get a new Bachelorette? And then that limo
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: pulling up. Oh, I think it's all a big ta sash.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're in for it this season,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the vast publicity stunt of all time. I think we're
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: in for it this season. It's going to be a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: season to watch. Obviously, Night one is uh unique. There
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: are people going home that we don't know that we
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: will never see again, that will probably forget about unless
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: they're like a Joe or uh somebody that comes back
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: on Paradise and we have to kind of get reduced,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: reinroduced to them. UM, so let's not stop and talk
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: about the guys that got sent home. Uh, it's been
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: great to focus on the guys that are still there,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: which obviously Dale and Blake and those standouts have really
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: been highlighted Ashley. UM, I know that we have a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: couple of great guests that are coming up really soon
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that we have to get to. This was a great episode.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: It did not disappoint. UM, but let's take a break.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Kelsey and McKenna, uh, and Robert
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Graham about everything Bachelor, their lives, their dating lives, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: everything they got going on. Yeah, like Christina Shalman. Well, actually,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we have some hot topics to dive into before we
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: break down Claire's episode and before we bring on guests.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The first one Kim as a shock I saw on
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a headline kind of just like randomly, and uh, it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Bachelorette alum Luke Parker if you remember, he was on
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Hannah's season lands in and the headline says crippling debt.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we can prove that. I don't
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: know his financial status, but this part is true. He
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: broke uh the contract with ABC. UM, and well, in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: n z K went after it. Uh, this is one
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of the first times ever heard this, Ashley, what do
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: we know? Yes, you guys. N z K is the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: production company that produces The Bachelor with Warner Brothers and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it's aired on ABC. So we sign a contract with
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: M d K and a lot of it has to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: do with, you know, following some rules, one of which
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: being that you can't do certain media while you're under
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: contract without being asked for permission. It's very very obvious
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: one and one that we were We were reminded of
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a lot and Luke decided to ignore this, did a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: couple of shows, and they actually went through UM brought
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: it to court and he is now obligated to pay
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: them ten thousand dollars hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. And I'm so bad with numbers. It's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars. It's a lot of money. Yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: but there's like, also, well there's other clauses in our
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: contract and I can just tell you it could have
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: been worse. But this is still Verry. This is rough
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: for him. This is rough. I mean I never felt
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like the contract restricted me too much. I mean, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I say that, but like I also don't have a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: bad experience on the show, and so I didn't. I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: don't have anything negative to say, and people listen to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the podcast know that, Like I just I'm sure some
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: people have a bad experience or they feel um misinterpreted
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever. For me, I didn't have that, So I don't.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I can't relate with this. What I do know is
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money, no
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: matter who you are and what you've done. Um. And
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I also know that a contracts contract, like you sign
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: something knowing that you're agreeing to whatever it is, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: there isn't anything in there crazy, it's just pretty much Hey,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like this is still a show that's going to be
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: around a while. Don't disclose the secrets of the show,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: which aren't many. Just like, hey, don't bad mouth the show.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: You are a contestant. We are giving you a platform.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: He did it and it came back to buy them. Yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and you know people are going to be like, people
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: have broken this rule before. You've done media without asking them,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: but you were never sued. But maybe maybe here there
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: is a part that the fact that what he said
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: on this media was a negative about them. I think
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: we can deny that there's going to be an element
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: there definitely well, and he spoke very openly about faith
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: in his his belief system, which is something that um
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: by title he and I share, you know, we we
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: both title yeah, but like there we talked about it
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: in previous episodes and you know back there in that season,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: like there's nuances and details to how he communicated and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: what he was communicating that I don't agree with. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I think that that's just that's just any belief system, right.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a thousands upon thousands of denominations because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: people disagree on certain things, and I think anytime you
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: start to do that, it gets personal for many. And Uh,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I would say this. One thing I do know is
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: if I was a contestant on The Bachelor or Bachelor
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: at this season, I think this is UH sending a
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: message be don't don't break this, because this isn't just
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a fun little document you signed. This is a lot
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: of people's livelihoods and we're going to hold you accountable
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to it. I would be scared. I want to I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: want to do anything without asking. Now I'd be really yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: onto some better news. I would say that, Uh, this
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: uh fellow Denver Right, So I live in Denver and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: this guy plays for the Denver Nuggets, Michael Porter Jr.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: He's a rising star in the NBA and uh he
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: was Denver's draft pick last year. Uh is bachelor? That
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the headline reas Bachelor alum Madison Pruitt sparks romance from
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: rumors with NBA player Michael Porter Jr. Ben, have you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: ever met him? I mean, you're like famous in Denver.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: You're not almost same as in Denver. You lur famous
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: in Denver. This is my small pond where I'm a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: fish and I get the swim in. Every once in
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a while, I've been in the same room as him.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I can't remember if we've ever like talked. All I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: know is I do I know some other people that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you know have been around the Nuggets or have played
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: for the Nuggets. People speak very highly of him. People
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: love him in Denver. He is a rising star. He's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: not quite there yet, but he's a big name in
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the city. He's a big name in the NBA right now. Um.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I can't speak to him personally at all, but I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: saw this, and I was I smiled because I think
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it works right Madison. I just watched her Instagram videos
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: once the headline came out, and I was like, this
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: girl loves basketball. She's great at basketball. Um, she's an
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: athlete at all levels. And uh, I mean, this looks
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: like it would work right, Like this looks like a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: reasonable relationship outside of the fact that if you look
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: at pictures, he's like six I don't know, he's like
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: six ten and she's not a tall girl like that
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: is I mean, that's a big height difference. Cute, but
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: it's a big height difference. It's a huge height difference.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this picture. It almost looks like he's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: double her height. I think they're an adorable couple. He's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: twenty two, she's twenty four. Um, they just look really
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: nice together. He has a great smile. He's a very
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: handsome guy. Um. And what was sparking these rumors? I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: think the rumors may have been flying for a bit,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: but it seems almost official because Michael's sister posted on
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Instagram a picture of her, her husband and Madison and Michael,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: saying my favorite double date. And they're looking pretty snugly
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in this picture, she's holding his hand, which is his arm,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and his arm is around her shoulders, so they're they're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: definitely cuddly. It's not like one of those uh tabloid
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: headlines that says like getting cozy, and they're like just
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: standing next to each other, like their act really getting cozy.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think they're adorable. And then underneath the picture that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: was captioned my favorite double date, Madison responded love you
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: in the comment section, so like she's obviously pretty chummy
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: with the sister already. That's great. Hey, Madison has always
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: held herself and and handled herself well. Uh she's uh. Um,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: she's just a great shining light. Soy celebrate Madison and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. Wherever that leads. But at least for now,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: we'll say, hey, looks like something uh speaking of romance
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and love. Uh people. Uh. It's headline reads Bachelor in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Paradise Crystal Neilsen, who's been on the podcast before, kisses
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: new Man after Chris Ryan Don't split. Caption reads lean
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: into Love. Yeah. I mean I think this was posted
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours after we did the podcast last week,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, we really missed it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: On that fresh hot topic. This is a big one.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So you guys know that Chris and and Crystal separated
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: in February after eight months of marriage. They announced that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they were going to go through there to go through
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: with a divorce this summer. And now she has moved
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: on um to another man. She calls him this her
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: special person. And she posted a picture and I'm going
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to read you to caption. She said, well, this is
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: what she posted on Instagram this week. She goes, So,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I just posted a photo on Instagram. I'm so excited.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I'm honestly smiling so big because I have been wanting
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to share this post, in this picture and this special
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: person in my life for a while. I just ultimately
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: decided that I want to really live in alignment with
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what I coach, and that is to lean into the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: things that make you happy and make you feel good
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and not hide and not hide that, but to fully
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: embrace it. It's been so hard to keep this secret
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm just so so excited if I share it
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: with you guys. I know that Chris followed up on
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Instagram by saying like, thank you for those who have
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: reached out to me asking if I'm Okay. He also
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I think made a little comment about like what is
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: my life? I can't imagine that seeing this was easy
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: for him. I have to to say that I feel
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: for him. This was This is a moment that every
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: person who was split up with somebody else who they
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: had strong feelings for obviously going to dread. It's like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a somebody explain it to me, right, So anytime you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: get out of breakup, no matter if it was the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: right thing, right like, and I'm sure an' about to listen,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: he can relate to this. If you break up, it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: always going to be weird and heart because you're kind
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: of like pulling that person away from your life. You're
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: not going to be communicating with them as often when
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: you're probably used to communicating with him daily regularly. Um,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna be seeing that person. There's gonna be
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: no more intimacy at any level. And so then when
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: you break up, there is like that void no matter
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's a healthy breakup and and the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: relationship is healthy, then there's gonna be that void where
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, man, it's it's a good thing, we're done,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: but like it still hurts, It still feels weird maybe,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and then when you see them dating somebody else, it's
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: always the hardest part. It's also I think some of them,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I would argue, like a healthy part, because it's like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: ripping the band aid off right, Like it exposes the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: wound where it needs to be healed and I'm dredging it,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I'm dretting it, and it's like, oh it's there. It's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like heart drops and you're like the worst has now happened,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: so it's only and it's like only um, you know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: uphill from here. Definitely. I remember in past breakups for me,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like and that hurt can last a while, like that
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: just awkwardness and that weird feeling you don't want to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: social media because you don't know what picture is gonna
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: be posted or how what you're gonna see, and it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: still fears feels weird, but then it gets better and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you're right, Like it's like your your
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: heart drops you at the lowest point, and then there's
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: healing and uh, you know, good for her, like she's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: found somebody, but hard on him and probably hard on
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: her at some level. Two we don't know, but that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: is the headline. Crystal Nielsen announced that she's leaning into love. Uh.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Speaking of love, bachelor alum Taylor Nolan introduces new boyfriend
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Zach publicly and says he's not the only person she'll
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: have sex with. This according to US Weekly, So as
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you guys know, we've had Taylor on the podcast a
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: couple of times. She is very non conventional when it
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: comes to relationships and monogamy. She says about her new
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: boyfriend and about like relationships in general, that her preference
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: of style of relationship is monogamish. I'm pretty sure she
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: said that exact word. Well here on Almost Famous, she
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: says that she um prefers to be consensually non monogamous.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: So obviously like her and this guy are in this together.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: They both no, I guess it's like an open relationship, right,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: so they've agreed upon this. They have agreed upon this. Um.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: She does say that past partners have thought that her
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: needs and desires have been unrealistic to ask for in
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a relationship, but it looks like she's very happy with this.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Her new man named Zach, who she met at a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: fireside conference at Camp Walden in Ontario, Canada. He's twenty seven. Um.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: They have been seeing each other for a while, but
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: they just made it official within the past month or so.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, so she went from kind of teasing
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: him on her Instagram to now being full on out
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: there in a non monogamous relationship. It's uh, you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Taylor has always been one to um teach or to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: highlight things in society or especially in physical relationships. Um
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that I've never really like heard of her like understood.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: And Taylor has always been the person we bring onto
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the podcast to talk about that because she's very open.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: She has her own podcast about it. Um. This is
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: another step where I go, huh, never really thought about this.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it works but for me, but
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: for you okay, yeah, and and for probably many others
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: out there. And so Taylor is is taking the stand.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: She has announced new boyfriend Zach um Well Ashley, one
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: of your favorite people in Bachelor Nation. Uh, and I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: know you love this person dearly. Uh just stunts this week,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I mean just literally like model. Oh my gosh, it's incredible.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And uh, she's just a beautiful soul inside and out.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Pregnant Jade Roper stunts and maternity picks as she prepares
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: for third baby with Tanner Tolbert. This according to US
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Weekly as well. You guys, if you haven't seen these pictures,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: go over to Jade's into instagram right now. She did
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: this insanely gorgeous photo shoot. She looks like a pregnant
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: victorious secret Joel. She has these beautiful couture wings on
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the girl. The designer Leah Maria. She sent them to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: her to borrow for the shoot, and she looks more
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: beautiful than ever. She feels so good about herself. She
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: said that she really wanted to do something fun, artistic,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: really beautiful because and feel like a like a pregnancy
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: goddess because this pregnancy so special, it being probably her last.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: She said, pregnancy is so hard on your body. I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: just wanted to celebrate the good parts of it. So
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: head over to her instagram. They're so stunning. Everybody needs
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to now tell me if I'm wrong here, But I
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: remember in the past, like Jade has been very open about,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the struggles of pregnancy, like the kind of
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: like not feeling great and even after having the baby,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: like postpartum like um depression, and like she's always been
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: somebody that again I've learned from through that pregnancy process. Uh.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: And so for me, I saw these pictures and it's like,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: you go, holy, Like, how awesome is it that she
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: feels so good right now about herself and her body
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: because she should that she's doing this photo shoot to
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: highlight just how great she feels and how like momentous
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: this moment is. This is a big deal for her,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: right Oh yeah, definitely, And like, you know, ask Jade
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and she'll be like, did part of me just want
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to sleep all day? And you know, just and not
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: dress up like this totally because she does keep it
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: very real. She's been talking about how she's just ready
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: for this baby to come out, but she also wants
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to celebrate her body for all that it does and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: all that it's been through. And I'm glad that she
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: made this moment for herself. I really do feel like though,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: actually and they're friends of ours, but like every time
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like we do this podcast, we talked about
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: j being pregnant, like she has been pregnant for a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: long time, between pregnancy and nursing, like she hasn't been
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: able to have a drink like in the past our years. Seriously,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, it's it's definitely getting on her,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you know body. You know, she's definitely feeling the effects
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of having three babies so close together, and they definitely are,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you know, she says in this article, thinking that this
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: could be their last, like they planned on having four,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: but this, this third one, feels like they're ready to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: get out of a little kid phase and start being
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: able to have a little bit more freedom with kids.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: You know, you know, when you're in that like five, five, six, seven,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: you're able to start like going on vacations and totting
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: them around a little bit more often. I mean, just
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: awesome though, great pictures, good for Jade, uh and good
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: for Tanner. Uh. Well. Actually, a few weeks ago, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: remember there were rumors swirling that Dean and Kalin had split,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that people were wondering, really, oh they were. They were
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: definitely rumors going around the internet saying, hey, where they
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: haven't been together because they did take a week apart. Yeah,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: week a week apart. Well, we know know that's just
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: not true, because Kalen and Dean are in the Maldives vacationing. Uh.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: They did announce that they tested negative for COVID multiple
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: times before going, but they have highlighted their trip on
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: social media, and it's been awesome to watch because, of
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: course Dean and Heilan are just great at producing film
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and content. You know, they're incredible at it. Yeah, Oh,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Jared and I want to go to the Maldives now.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's like the greatest advertisement ever. Jared's like
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the person who doesn't want to leave his home state
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: ever and things that, like it provides everything he'll ever
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: need in life. But then he sees their footage from
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the Maltives and he's like, yeah, I could take a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: six It could take a flight for this, And as
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Calin says, she said, it was three planes and a boat. Yeah,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: three flights to COVID tests, a boat ride and then
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: finally to the mal thieves. And I think like we
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: should just we should clarify that they have taken all
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the safety precautions possible. Uh. Dean said that he was
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: not really worried about getting sick himself, but that he
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was concerned about getting somebody else sick. He said that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the airline they took Qatar, took very strict protocols um
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to make them feel very comfortable, and um they yeah,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: they've been tested negative multiple times. So shield on the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: plane for a long long time. We've been doing this
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: podcast for a while. Ashley, I wonder if we should
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: do a live vir from the Maldis. I feel like
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: that's a good mood for us, right, it's pretty pretty
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: fair request. Could I could I go as far as
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: saying we deserve it? No, that doesn't feel right. Maybe
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: maybe we would like to Yeah, that'd be good. Okay,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Well here's a shoutout. We get a message from our
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: producers on the zoom. They go, great idea, guys. Um, well,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: if Qatar wants to hook us up with the same
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: seats that Kaylin and Dean had on their flight, I'll
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: be there. So hey, guitar, no questions asked? Well, Ashley,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: coming up after this, uh we uh, we will have
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: a few guests coming on to continue to break down
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Claire's episode. Um and uh, it's gonna be great to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: talk to them and uh and then we'll get out
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: of here. This has been an awesome episode. It's been
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: really great just to have a show to talk about,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to have headlines to talk about. Uh. It feels like
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: we've never left, but in a sense, it feels like
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: we're back and we're back and grooving again. Uh, we'll
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: take a break. When we come back, we'll have Robert
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Graham on uh talking everything Claire season as we tease
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: before the break. Uh, Robert Graham is on the line now, Robert.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: This is his first time to the almost Famous podcast.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: So welcome to the family. Thank you so much, appreciate
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: season right. I was, I was. Yeah, so we had
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: des Ray season Bachelor Paradise Season one. Were you ever
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: on a Bachelor pad? I was out on the Bachelor
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: of Pad. I was on season one of Paradise, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: that was the end of my bachelor days. But it
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't really because you've been such a friend of the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: contestants since you've been on the show. You dated back
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: at Tilly um, yes, and you've hung around like you've
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: been at the stage coaches you know that are so
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: talked about. I have been at the stage coaches. A
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: lot of those I've never been. I've never been. I Uh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: you're missing out. It's fun. I bet, yeah, I h
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I never made it the stage coach, but I've heard
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: so many things about it, and they all seem uh intriguing.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Uh they say the least uh. So Yeah, anyways, Uh, Robert, Uh,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: where are you living now? I'm in l A. Still.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I live over in Santa Monica. Okay, that's how. That's
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: how you get invited the stage Coach. I've always wondered.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I've said it on the podcast before. I've never got
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: invited the stage coach. But one day I plan on
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: being there. If it ever comes back, we'll go together.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: It sounds great. Man. So you were on Bachelor Paradise
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: one with Claire. No, I don't think you ever had
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: a romantic storyline with Claire, right, No, no romantic storyline
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: with Claire. Zach had I had that, I guess somewhat.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: But now we were just friends. So like, tell us
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: about like your relationship with her while you were there
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and you know her talking to the raccoon and all that. Well,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had a relationship prior. Um, we were
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: friends before going on the show, and and then we
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: were on the show and we obviously knew each other,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: so it was it was a pretty easy thing between us. Um,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: we got along really well. We actually went out. I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: think it was the first date of the show. For
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: one of the first dates of the show was her
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and I. UM and I believe she has. She did
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: go on a date. Yeah, we did. We went on
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the first date. Um, I believe of the show, and uh,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: we had a good time. It was it was it
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: was fun, she asked me. Think I was just saying,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: she asked me because we knew each other prior to
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the show, and um, I think it was it's more
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, priple with you, this will be
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a fun day. Let's go have a good time rather
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: than a romantic thing. Did you guys ever kiss? No, No,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: we didn't. I think I attempted to kiss her in
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the ocean, and she turned her head to the side
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and asked her telling anybody. I was like, listen, I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: think they might have got that on camera, but please God,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: don't tell them that you just denied me in the ocean.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: That would be bad. And she didn't. So that was good.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. Um, so you had a girlfriend for
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: a while, Is that no longer? That is no longer? No, Yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: we broke up. I'm sorry about that. To you, guys
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: were cute together sorright, um, But recently it looks like
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you've been getting cute and cuddly with Christina Shulman. Christina
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: and I are just friend have been friends for a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: long time. Um, so we just hang out and and yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: we're just we're just friendly. We hang out and and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: have good time and known each other for a while.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of that. I feel like I
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: remember like there was one point where you guys may
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: have been like sort of seeing each other. Do you
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: ever think that you could get to that point again?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Because you know, the best relationships come out of friendship. Um,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I love Christina, She's great. I mean,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: we have a really good time together and we get
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: along really really well. Um, So I guess you never know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you know, something something could come a bit maybe at
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: some point, but right now, yeah, we're just we're just friends. Okay,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: all right, sounds promising. Alright, So you know we saw
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the episode, we see her infatuation with Dale. Is Dale
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: a kind of guy that you would picture Claire with?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And and how would how would you describe a man
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that you would picture Claire to be with? Like what's
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: her type? And what is um the qualities that you
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: think she needs to have? Yeah for Claire, UM, I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: think you know, she's got to have a really strong
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: man in her life somebody that's very confident. Um, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I think I think Claire's a strong woman and she
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: knows what she wants and uh and she's gonna let
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: you know. So I think I think, um, you know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: he's got to be confident, uh, strong, successful, knows what
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: he wants out of the relationship, and um, you know
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it is going to kind of be okay with with
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: having somebody that's that's his his equal in terms of
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you know, their confidence levels and and who they are
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: as people. All Right, all right, well we will see
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and I feel like fewer weeks than we normally see, um,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: how this story ends for her. Thank you so much
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: for joining us, Robert. We really appreciate it, and hopefully
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: we'll have you back, um, you know, without four years
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: going by. Yeah, yeah, well we'll do it again soon.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a great day and I'll
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: talk to you so. Thank you. You You do by as
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: promised earlier on the episode we just had Rupper Graham on.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Now we have two people that were gonna dive deep
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: with I mean, we're gonna hold nothing back. Kelsey and
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: McKenna are here to talk to us on the almost
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: famous podcast. Hello girls. Hi, Okay, yeah, I have one
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: question right off the bat that I just want to
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: start with. Um, after seeing the guys on Claire's season,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: you two are obviously potential. Um, Bachelor in Paradise contestants
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: don't even stand out to you that you go, Hey,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I hope Claire doesn't choose him because I would like
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: to give it a shot. Yeah, I have a few,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: but I never like to judge a book by its cover.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Oh come on, Yeah, there's there's three right off the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: bat that I am attracted to. But also the photos
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: never do people justice. So um, you know, it's more
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: fun for me, Like I have my favorites obviously, but
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: to watch it through the season. Um, but right now
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I think Brandon Yeah uh, I thought Jason was really
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: cute too, and then um, I was intrigued with Robbie
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: as well. Those were probably my top three right now,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: but it could change. Okay, okay, what about you. I
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: haven't really like, really looked at anyone really much. Um
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Brandon's looking he seems like kind of like my type
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Um tyler C. I can't believe there's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: another Tyler Ce. Interesting. Um, now, when you see the episode,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: and you guys, we do record this before the general
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: public could see its. So Kelsey and McKenna haven't seen
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the episode. I will. I'll promise you that you will
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: not be interested in Tyler see after you see it. Wow,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: mcken is actually not watching it, so I'll have to
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: fill in on why not what happens. I don't know
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: if I'm ready to watch the show yet. Um, it's
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: had a longer break than anybody else has ever had.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to great right now. Um, you know interesting,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I would be down to do Paradise yet, so we'll see. Okay. Well, Um,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: it's kind of it's a little bit rougher on your
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: group of girls, Peter's group of girls because there wasn't
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a Paradise season, so you you girls will be combined
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: with Matt James's girls in competition to get Paradise spots.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Does that stress you and the other girls of Peter's
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: season out? Um? I can't speak for the other girls.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot can change in a year, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: we had a longer break, so there are a lot
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: of girls from our season that are coupled up and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: who yeah, a lot of people are really Sydney Sydney.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Interesting meeting a football player. M beautiful, she's staying she's
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: even more studying in person. Maddie's I don't know if
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: they're official, but she's dating a basketball player. Um, there's
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of athletes. Uh, the girls have coupled up
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: with who else? What about Hannah and Hannah and single?
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: She's my life? Yeah, she's good. Um, I just think,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, it's it doesn't happen until the summer,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: so a lot can happen in between then two. So
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: we'll see, but um, I'll be open to it. Yeah,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: are you too like at all? And it's not even
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: like are you gonna stay single? So that there's that chance?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Are you both saying now, we'll see what happens. But
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I personally want to see what happens. Like I think
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: if Paradise would have happened when you're supposed to, it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: would have been a lot harder for me to go
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: on the show, just because I had I had a
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: lot to decompress after the show, especially emotionally, and so um,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: now if it was happening, I would, But I also
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: if someone great comes along, I'm not going to skip
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: out on the opportunity just so I can go on
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a show. Well, we thought we were going to rule
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: out Victoria Fuller from going on Paradise back, you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: when she got with Crystals, But now Paradise didn't happen,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and Crystals and her are no longer together. Do you
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: have any insight that you're willing to share about what
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: went what went down there? No, I just think I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: mean I introduced them, and I knew that their lives were,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you know, different, and she tried it, and I think
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: if the circumstances were different, then it could have worked out,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and it still could. I just think she's at a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: different place in her life than he is. And I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: mean she loves him to death. He's such a great guy,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: as you know, and um, she wants the best for him.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: And I know they still keep in touch, but I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: think she just knows romantically right now, it's just not
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: in the cards for them, gotcha, Because he's like, I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: feel like a little bit more like I want to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: be with the person that I'm going to have a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: family with, and she's more like, I'm I'm free and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: fun to data around for a bit. Um, I would
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: say that I just don't know. She's fully like ready
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to make that commitment yet got I think a lot
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of people were wondering, like, Okay, it's not Iowa, if
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: you're going to move to Montana because she doesn't announced
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: this week that she's moving to Mondy. No, No, she's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: there for her birthday. Wait why did she say she
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: was moving there? No? I think she said she was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: going on a trip, and because she had said earlier
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: she was moving, everyone just assumed she was. I saw
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that tune was like, where did people come up with this?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: But no, she just she's there for her birthday was
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks are last week, and so yeah,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: she's out there. McKenna, I want to talk to you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: for a second. You made a comment earlier and we
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: just kind of glanced over. But I really want to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: hear why, Um, you're not ready to watch the show,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: which is a personal choice and there's obviously reasons why.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Um can we dive into that a bit please. Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I think it was just like, um, it was tough
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: for me to watch the show over Um, I don't know.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I think I'm not really ready to like three people
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: comments online and like to tell they treat people and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: just it's tough. That's fair. That's fair. So, I mean
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: that's always an important thing that I think our listeners
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: need to get a picture into is like we always
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: talk about it, there is these moments where the show
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: meets reality, right, like your your life is affected by
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the things on the show, and it's obvious that yours
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: has been. Um, is this more of Hey, you don't
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: really want to read the comments directed it yourself or
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the other contestants because that still brings back, you know, trauma. Yeah,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I think it definitely brings back with a dark time
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and oh I can't get emotional over it. But yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's fair, right, I mean, like this is uh,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: this is this thing that we all do hoping that um,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun and like you know, I've always
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: said it, like everybody goes into this. What doesn't get
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to see is there's no training for this. And when
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: when I did the show, my only hope as the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: bachelor was in my prayer was like, hey, I just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: hope girls leave this Glad they did it. Like that's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: that's about all I can do and say and like
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: hope for and because everything else is out of anybody's control.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: MC are you glad you did this? You know what
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I am because I think I grew a lot as
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: a person, and um, I mean Kelsey and I talked
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: every single day and so, um it was tough. But um,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I think if I didn't do it, I wouldn't be
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: who I am today. So like, I am proud of it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: And it just was like a really tough experience for
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: me personally. So did you ever imagine that it would
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: be the way it was in the after effects would
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: be like that for you? Um? No, Like I thought
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I was going to have like this incredible experience and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I was gonna be good. I think I just I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: cared too much what people thought of me too. Like
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: if I could go back and the experience, I wish
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I just like it was myself and just like I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: don't do that early on. Um, it's not easy dating
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: the same one guy with you know, thirty girls and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: you have these incredib double girls there and um, it's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: tough not to compare yourself, right, So I think I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: definitely struggled with that and coming out of it too,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, reading vertical comments online and um, but
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: it definitely helped me grow and I don't regret it. Um.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of things that happened
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: that I think I was kind of like, UM, struggling
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: with my personal life and didn't really want to um
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Or I think just like even me
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: standing up on the show, I think that was like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: such an important lesson that I needed to learn and UM, yeah,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm surroundling now, but that's important. It's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: really is the one you know, like the one thing
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: on this podcast US that I think always helps, especially
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: as the season is airing, is bringing on past contestants
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: that can speak from personal experience and say, hey, like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: this is yes, it's a it's a reality television show.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Yes this is wild. Yes it's going to be dramatic,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: but it also is real and it affects in ways
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: that are both good and bad. I don't I don't
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: want to lean into this too far, but I just
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: think that it's important for anybody. Know what you you
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: mentioned that you've you don't think you'd be the person
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: you are today without the show. UM, what things have
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: you learned about yourself? What things have you processed, UM
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that you're proud of Where you sit in that chair today,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I think I've definitely become more of a competent person. Um.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can really just be myself now,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: and I know who I am and I know what
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I want, especially in love and a relationship. And I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: think a lot of times I didn't think I was
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: like worthy of love or I didn't have a like know,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: a voice and like standing up for myself. And I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: think being put in situations that I was on the show,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: or just you know, you know, being viewed by you know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: six million people every week is not the easiest thing
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: to do and having these opinions, and I think it
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: definitely made me a stronger person, you know, have thicker skin. Um.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: And I think that's just kind of what I've taken
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: away from it. It's just really knowing who I am
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: now and loving who I am, even though it was
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: a really tough experience. And you know, I've gotten so
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: many messages from you know, younger girls just saying like they,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like they can stand up for themselves now,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: or um, they feel worthy of love just from watching
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: me on the show, and like that is so incredible.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: But yeah, um, I feel like it was like a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: really big moment in my life, and I grew up
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, I'm still growing every day.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I totally feel those lessons I've learned very similar ones
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: from the show. Um I know that Ben and I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you know, we're always on this podcast speaking so highly
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: of our experience on the show. I mean, like when
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I talk about it, I smile. Um euroupset Kelsey, how
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: did you What kind of experience did you have? Because
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that viewers or listeners are able
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: to see different perspectives on how the show changes you.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Um well, I mean I knew going in I have
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: a hard time keeping my mouth shut, so um I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: my my mom and stepdad were both like, please don't
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: cuss as much as you do, and be like, be
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: mindful of what you're saying. Like, my family is always
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: known I'm an emotional person, but I didn't realize going
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: on the show that my emotions were going to be
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: heightened to a place that I've never experienced before. Um.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: You know, like all crying movies or something really was me.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I'll cry or I'm sad, I'll cry Like I have
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: no problem showing that. But I literally cried at everything
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: and I didn't even understand but I almost feel like
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: my body was releasing like energy that was so built up,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and that's why I cried so much. You know how
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: people release energy differently, like I honestly feel like mine
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: was through crying, and I wish it wasn't like that,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: but it was, and I'm okay with it now. It um,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, I got a lot of death threats,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: especially after Champagne Gay. I got a lot of people
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: telling me to go kill myself. Um. Some of those
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: messages that they showed on the Women Tell All were
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: my messages. And the thing that I didn't realize going
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: into is I knew it could be a negative impact
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: on me or like my emotional or my mental health,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know it to have an impact on
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: my family. And I think that that was the hardest
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: part for me, was seeing them seeing me go through
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: the different emotions, like the highs, the lows, reliving my relationship,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: reliving moments that I would never want to relive. Um,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: partly because you know of my own choices and I
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: can own that, but it's it's a lot, you know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: when you go through an experience like that and then
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you have to relive it in a way that you know,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you prove everyone perceives their reality in a certain way,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: and then you watch it another way. In some of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: it you remember that way, in others you don't. But
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's not that it's's the show twisting it.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: It's just there's so many different parts that you don't
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: know is going on that it just I don't know.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: It was a lot for me, it really was. But
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: um And I've never struggled with anxiety or depression or
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: anything like that, and I definitely went through that. But um,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I did a lot of soul searching, which is why,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: like I want to be single. Um I said in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: our podcast that McKenna I did that November three will
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: be a year from when I got home, and I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: haven't dated anybody since, and I wanted to take a
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: year off from dating just to like really focused on me,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm ready for my next person.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Um And I think my family needed a break too,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: from all the craziness that I've caused them this year.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: But I mean with it though, we had a lot
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: of fun, Like every Monday, I'd go over to my family's.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: We'd have a couple of people over and watch you know,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: the show, and I'm going to miss that, but not
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: the messages that my family had to get. And like,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: you know, even after Champagne Gate, my mom got messages
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: from people, how could you raise a daughter like that?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Like you should be ashamed of yourself, and that those
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: were my mom's actions, those were my actions, So why
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: are you My mom was embarrassed like she didn't. She
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: didn't raise me like that, so for people to judge
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: her was like hard on me. Such an interesting experience
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and it when you sit down and have conversations that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: we don't get to have very often, right, I mean
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: you kind of come off the show and you sit
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: in your own little silos, especially when up pandemic hits,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: and you don't realize that, um, you're not alone, like
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: you feel super alone because you just like you're processing
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: this whole experience that you didn't know how to deal
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: with when you even went into it. And then you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: get broken up with and maybe there's pain there, but
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: there's also pain then when it re airs and there's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: the opinions. Um, the interesting part and maybe I just
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: we get to sit in a seat it's a little
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: bit different than the rest and we're gonna get to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: the seat that you guys are gonna be sitting in
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: with your podcast here very soon. Um. But when we
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: get to Snarci, what actually and I've learned is that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: everybody has very real experience from the show and that
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: you're never alone. Like we've get to hear those stories,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: we get to process information with people, we get to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: talk with people over and over again that come off
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: the show, and we've had struggles but also great stories
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: from the show. And the cool part is it's just
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: what what I've learned and seen is that like, you're
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: never alone in those moments, and if you feel like
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: you were push aside, let me get Let me say
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: this for a second. So a few weeks ago, we
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: had something that happened on the podcast that was unfortun
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and I misspoke and said some really stupid stuff. And
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I called my buddy Nick Vile, who's on the show,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and I said, Man, I feel so often, like almost daily,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: that it's so easy for people to hate me, Like,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: why is it so easy for people to hate me?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Why is it so easy for people to turn their
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: backs on me? When when we're all just kind of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: trying here And he told me this, and I'll never forget.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: He goes been. How you're feeling now is how most
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: people that come off the show fuel all the time.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: So I just want to tell you both, you're not
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: alone in this and it's it's great to hear from you.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for opening up and being vulnerable with us. Mhm.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: But with that, there was good parts that came I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: it was all like negative. Um, it's just things that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: you don't think about. Yeah, we're gonna get to the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: good stuff. We're gonna dive into the good stuff. We're
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about Clear Season. I have I have some
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: things that I want to hear from you. Actually, I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: haven't even told you my theory yet, but I have
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: a theory about Clear Season that will make this to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: most dramatic season of all time. When we come back
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: with the Almost Famous podcast, I'm gonna ask you all
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: about it. Okay, sounds good. We're back with almost famous podcast.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: We have our guest Kelsey and mckinna with us. Uh, ladies.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: I have a theory. Tell me if I'm crazy, Okay,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: So uh, we all know and we've talked about it
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: openly that when you come onto the show as a contestant.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: You're locked inside a hotel room for a few days
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: as you get some testing done. You do, do questionnaires,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: you do you're like your marketing materials for the show,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: like all that happens, right, and those are usually I
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: want to say, three days give her a take. Where
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you're kind of isolated in the room. It's not torture
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: by any means. They feed you, they water you, they
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: make sure you have, you know, drink if you need it.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But but it's just kind of a prep time for
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: them to get to know you better. I do think
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: those three days heightened my anxiety and my emotions, but
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: also my peacefulness. Like I had a lot of time
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: to meditate and pray and even to like do weird
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: tower workouts in the in the room, like I didn't.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I was unhealthy coming out of it, But when I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: finally got out of my hotel room, I was so um.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I had almost forgotten what the real world felt like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: in a sense. Right, I was isolated. Now, this is
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: a long speech to ask you this question, but I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to set it up. These guys had to be
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: in a hotel room, I don't know, for eight days,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: probably because they had to get tested two or three times. Um,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: they had to be isolated alone. Uh, they had months
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: to sit and kind of think about this show, so
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: they didn't really know what they're getting into, and then
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: they're putting aside the palm springs in a resort. I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: have a theory that these guys were so had so
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: much emotional build up inside of them that there was
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: so much like inside their bodies by being quarantined for
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: eight days in a room alone, that they were going
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: to come off this show and have the most dramatic
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: season ever at least a first couple episodes, because they
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: had so much to output. Now agree, disagree, let me
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: hear what you think, all right, Yeah, I would agree.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, remember how excited I was to get out
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: of the hotel room and like move into the mansion
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: or like experience that person night. But you know, a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: week in there and you're you know, six ft five
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: months of waiting to even film, like I would be going,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: it would be just a surreal experience. You don't know
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: how to act and like how it's going to go,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and it's just going to be like a Gong show,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: crazy experience. I think the first couple episodes are definitely
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit wild. I think that. Yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the three days is almost healthy, Like I think it's good.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: It's introspective, it is meditative. Is that a word? Um?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like really centers you, focuses you, and then
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: it makes like human interaction feel so fresh and exciting.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: But you're right, eight days if that is how long
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: they had to quarantine is a long time, and that
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: may be borderline. I'm healthy, I do. I mean, but
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: they're not alone in this, Like a lot of people
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: have quarantine alone. Right. People are gonna listen this episode
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: be like that's ridiculous. I've been in my house now
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: for four months quarantine alone. But here's the point. Yes,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: that's such a good point, Battan, Thank you for bringing
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: it up. Time alone, isolated, like people have to be
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: like losing their marbles a little bit. Like it's fair
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: to say, like, hey, if you're feeling little down and out,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: or if you're feeling emotional, or you're feeling like weird,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: right now, this whole thing has been weird. Like we've
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: quarantined alone for months now, human interaction hasn't happened. I
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: don't know the last time I gave somebody a hug,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: like outside of my family. Um, I'm just I watched
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: this episode Ladies, and I was like, I cannot imagine
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: going into an experience. I have no clue what I'm
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: getting myself into, being so excited, so nervous, so anxious,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: and then being told okay, eight days of two weeks
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: and we don't know how long they're in there. But like,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: now you're stuck. I'd be like, I can't, Like, I don't,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with myself. I have
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: a bigger question. You know how normally the beginning of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the three or four nights that we get before a
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: season starts, you have to they take your phone on
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: your computer immediately. Do you think they think they'd let
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: these guys have their phone in their computer for a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: few days in there? I think, what do you guys?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: What do you think I think that they did? At least,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: because wasn't there a girl on TikTok that was like
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: boasting a thing that never said it was for the Bachelor,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: but everyone knew it was from this past season, from
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: from math season. M hm, So maybe they never learned
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: their lesson McKenney, You didn't think they would you've been
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: a part of it. Do you think they took their
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: phones and stuff? Yeah? I think they definitely just for
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: that long, but everything you can watch TV chill, Yeah,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: I think they did, guys, I really think they did.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Here's my point. This is unique, this is wild. I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: am glad that this wasn't my season that I was on,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: because give you put me two weeks in a hotel
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: room alone, like weird stuff is gonna happen, Like like
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: there's no way you want a hidden camera in that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: room because like I'm gonna be dancing, I'm gonna be
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: working out, I'm gonna be like trying to find ways
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: entertain myself. Like it isn't gonna be pretty. I started talking.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I started looking out the window during my first Bachelor
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: quarantine before Chris this season, and on the last afternoon,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: like the one before you're starting to get dressed up
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: to go into limo, I was looking out the window
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: and making up stories for the people that were coming
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: in to check into the hotel. I was like, they're
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: here for a wedding, They're here like visiting their kids.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Like it was so wild. Oh that's so good. Well, hey,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: that was my theory. I think it's going to be crazy. UM,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: definitely going to be a different season. Yeah, it's going
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: to be different. Well, McKinnon and Kelsey, I know that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: actually had a few questions for you guys, uh and uh,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: and I want to give her the space to do it.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: I do want to kind of close this chapter of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: our interview off and say thank you, UM for speaking openly. Uh,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: You're not alone in this. UM. I know that's a
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: lot of process right now, can I I think you
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: know I didn't watch Joe Joe's season. I thought, well,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I was in a relationship that probably would have made
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it weird to watch it. But UM, but I I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't ready to watch it emotionally. I it was it
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: was too tough too. So UM, I applaud you for
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, doing what's best for you. And Kelsey, thank
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: you for opening up about your experience on this show.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I think it will give all of our listeners, including
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Ashley and I, a perspective, especially watching these two seasons
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: kind of back to back on what these contestants are
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: going through. Also, I want to end it here and
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: get off my soapbox and say, if you're listening to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: this and you are one of those bullies out there
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: trolling the contestants know it affects them deeply, and you
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: should stop right now because it's not fun in games.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: We see it, we hear it, we feel it, um,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: and it's just never a good thing to be the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: person to cause harm ever, So ended there, actually take
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: it away. See, you guys were part of my husband
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: and Dean's podcast, their spinoff, so it's helped by Second Dating.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: That's Jared and Dean's weekly podcast, and now they have
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: a new spinoff called What a Girl Wants, and your
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: episode where the two of you talk about dating is
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: now out there on I Heart radios, podcasts and anywhere
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. So you guys both were pretty
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: honest um already in our interview that dating has not
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: been a priority. Kelsey, you didn't really have any interested
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: in doing it for a full year. So what the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: heck did you talk about on the podcast? I mean,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: we did a hum and I we got dating advice, um,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and then we just kind of caught up on our
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: lives and what's been going on, which is not a
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: lot because we've been having a quarantine. So have you
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: stayed true to the whole I'm not going to date
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: for a year, So you have truly not been on
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: a date since the rep of Peter season. I've been
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: on one day and then that's when I decided you
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: weren't ready. Not okay, yeah that I was going to
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: happen during that date. It was fine. I just don't
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: think I was ready. I just think emotionally I did
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: develop feelings for Peter. So coming off the show, it's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a different type of relationship that you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: develop when you're on the show compared to real life.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: But also on the show, I feel like things are
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: sped up a little bit too. Um. I don't know,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I just feel like I just wasn't emotionally ready. And
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: so then I remembered this advice that one of my
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: doctors gave me, and he basically said, take a year
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: off dating so you don't carry over some of those, um,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: maybe bad habits or qualities that you wanted to work
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: on or fix into your next relationship, so you don't
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: continue down, you know, a bad cycle. Uh So that's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: kind of what I'm just trying to do. It's just
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: you know, make sure I'm fully mentally, spiritually, um ready
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: for that next person, and I kind of where are
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you with that next soon? Um? Well when we filmed
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: the podcast, I hadn't been on one date yet. Um
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I went on a date last week. Uh that went well,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: so smiley. Yeah, it was a good day. It was
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: a great date. Have you heard from him yet? Yes,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to see him again this week. Fantastic. Oh
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: that's good. That's a good smile. Uh, you guys. If
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: there is one annoying thing that millennial and jen Z
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: guys do, it's gen Z right, the one below us.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Um they what what is it? And what do you what?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Do you just need those generations and then just cut out.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm still kind of like in the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: age where people are using Snapchat to talk. You need
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: to cut that Snapchat. I even know snapchat was still
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: a thing, So that's how old I am. Do you guys?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Do you all find it healthy or not in dating
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: with the access like the snapchat or text or calls
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: or social media today, like with the constant communication because
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I see people dating now my my, like little cousins
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and like they have a boyfriend or girlfriend
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: like they are doing. I don't know how they have
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: so much to talk about, like or like post with
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: each other or I mean, I guess I don't really
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: don't want to know what they're sending back and forth.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: But um, they're always communicating somehow, Like is that healthy
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: or not understand? See, I'm kind of old school in
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: this way where I prefer to talk on the phone.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not a big texter, um, so when I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: want to communicate with someone, it's usually a phone call. Um.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm never on like Facebook. I'm on Instagram.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: But like if someone's dming me on Instagram wanting to talk,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: like I just unless it's someone I've never met before,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in community that communicating that way.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have you just called me. Um. So, I
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: think it's weird at all the different forms that there are,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: and you you kind of lose that like connection or
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: that human vulnerability with all these apps now because there's
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: really no like you can't get in a deep conversation
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: or or have that substance to a conversation that makes sense. No.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Generation Z's way of that of communication where they just
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: constantly go back and forth on text all day long
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: is something I just can't conceptualize for myself. Well, even
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: with Snapchat, you're snapping a picture of yourself writing in
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of words like if anything, just spacetime. You
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm with you. I don't get it.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing is, I might I've read
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: back my text when like back in the day when
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I was still like really flirting with Jessica, Like I
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: still flirt with her, but it's just different now and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: she reads right through it. But like when I was
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: really trying hard, like that stuff is ridiculous, like the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: emojis I add, like and then maybe we have a
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  Speaker 1: hard day, Like yeah, it's just grow it's weird and
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  Speaker 1: like it never reads the way you wanted to. Like
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  Speaker 1: I always would text us and be like, oh, she'll
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: like that one. And I read it back, I'm like,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have liked that, Like that just sounded like weird.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't get it. This, this
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Um, That's why I'm excited, you know, to
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: to listen to you all, and I continue listening to
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Jared and Dean because dating, for me is is something
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, even though I'm engaged it's okay that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: I tell Jared all the time, like, you guys need
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: to change the name of the podcast or something. You're
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: married in a serious relationship, but he's like, you're always
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: still dating. You're still always you know communication and that
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: you know present regardless of the commitment level of the relationship. Alright, girls, well,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: we are so thankful that you came on and open
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: your heart to us and everybody. If you want more
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: of McKenna and Kelsey, check out the podcast Help I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Suck a Dating, What a Girl Wants. It's out now,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: so great, ladies. Thank you. Alright, Ben, great episode, a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: long one, covered a lot. And there's one more thing
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  Speaker 1: that I want to do with you. So I finished
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: reading your book, and you tease a whole bunch of
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: dramatic stories that have happened to you that you could
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: have focused on in the book, but you decided, you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: to go with a different theme. Understandably so, but it's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: a great teaser to so many stories. So I thought
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: that over the course of the next couple of weeks,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of every episode, we can wrap up
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: with you actually telling the stories that you tease. Here,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: can I go through the number one Week one's story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this will be fun, This will be a fun game. Okay. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: You say there was a time where a mini van
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  Speaker 1: hit you going fifty miles an hour while you were
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: walking on the sidewalk. That's true story. Yeah. So what
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: actually is referring to is in my book Aloning Plain Sight,
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  Speaker 1: which comes out February second. If you want to pre
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: order it, that'd be a huge help to me. Go
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: to Ben Higgins book dot com. Um, this is not
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: a tell all, but this has has bachelor Actuley has
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: read it has bachelor stuff in it. Um, but it
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: was a book that I really kind of wanted to
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: like release my soul somehow, some way. Um. It's surprisedly
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: that I care about deeply and took two years ago.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: So go and check it out. But in the book,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: I do highlight that, Um, I didn't tell all my
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: life stories because they just didn't fit into the model
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: of the book. And I don't think i'd write a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: second book about these stories. So we'll talk about him
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: here in the podcast. The first one is me getting
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: hit by a car. So I was a senior in
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: college actually, and um, it was welcome week at Indian
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: University and my buddies and I were walking down to
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  Speaker 1: a fantasy football draft about a blockdown from our apartment. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: They're two guys. They were guys walking from me. They
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: both played basketball for I Use, so they're big, tall
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  Speaker 1: guys and they um had just got out of practice
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: and I was walking kind of behind them, and I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, crap, I forgot my hat
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: and I want a hat. So we were just across
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: the street from my partment. I ran back. They kept going,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: ran back across the street, grabbed my hat. Was walking
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  Speaker 1: down the street, had headphones and at this point because
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: I wasn't walking with anybody, and before I know it,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: I'm on a sidewalk and I get hit by a
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: car minivan and my left like side and it threw
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: me about fifteen ft onto these girls patios. And I
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: know some of the girls still listen to this podcast today. Um.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: He then hit uh the electric box to stop, like
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: knocked to stop, like completely over. Uh. He ended up
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: spending some time in jail. But what had happened? You
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: got a guy in jail for hitting you? I didn't. Um.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: In fact, this is how the story ends. It's really funny.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Actually and really dumb. But uh so I had obviously
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: gotten hurt, had passed out. Um, I didn't have any
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: massive injuries. I still have like a little bit of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: a weird hip hitch. You from it today. Um, but
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: he had fallen asleep at the wheel and he crossed
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  Speaker 1: two lanes of traffic and ran up onto the sidewalk
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: and that's when he hit me. There's pictures from it,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: and UM, so long story short, did you see him
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: coming at You know, I had my back, I had
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: my back turned with headphones in. I had no clue.
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  Speaker 1: Like before I knew it, I was up in the
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  Speaker 1: air flying and I ran over after I got hit,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I jumped up, ran over to this guy's car and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: go what just happened? And then I passed out and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: don't really remember much else just happened. And then he
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: passed out. Yeah I'm sorry. I'm not laughing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with a smile. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: story and a half, I don't I mean, it could
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: have been a lot worse, right, Like I know people
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: who have been like seriously damaged, But for me, this
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: honestly was not a massive I didn't have any major injuries.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: But long story short, the there's obviously like settlements and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: there's legal process to go through. All I wanted from
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, and it could have been a lot more.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Well is I thought it would be really sweet if
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I could figure out a way for the insurance company
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: to pay for a year's worth of massages for me.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, so for a year of my life,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: I had unlimited massages all through my senior of college.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all I got. I could have I
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: could have done wild things with this process. It was definitely,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: like very clear that there was like that there was
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: misbehaving going on in this accident. But instead I just
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: asked for in my stupid college self, didn't call any
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: friends or family for advice on what I should do.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I just said, Hey, you know what, let's do this.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Let's get a year's worth of massages. You guys cover it,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: we'll call it even we're good. And still to this day,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I looked back in the time of my life and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: I think, Wow, you are just not very smart. I
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, you're either dumb or very smart. How
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: many massages would you get regularly, like three times a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: week for a school year subscription somewhere. Okay, I just
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: said to build him now, just build him, just unlimited.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: I think they were thrilled. They're like, are you kunna
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: meet this guy got hit by a car going fifty
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: miles per a minivan going fifty miles per hour. It's
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: on video, there's pictures taken of it, there's tons of witnesses,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: and all he wants is a year's worth of massages, settled, done,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: call it good. Uh. He is our favorite UM person ever.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that is you in in conclusion, that is
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Ben Higgins. That's awesome. Just want just just want to
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: be touched. That's all I need. Just give me some loving. Um. Yeah,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: So next week, Uh, you know this is gonna get weird.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Actually I like this idea, but I'm not gonna hold
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: anything back. Like there's gonna be some stories that are
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: shared that people are gonna definitely have a visceral reaction to. UM.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: But okay with it, let's do it. Hey, you're the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Actually you're the best. A great episode. UM. We'll be
• 1:32:51
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