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Psychological Political Thriller · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - This is the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm Olivia here with Shauna.
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  And we're so pleased you have elected to spend time with us.
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  We're all about choice here.
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  And the fact that you choose Pop Culture Junkie
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  means everything to us.
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  - So it's been a little bit, what have you been up to, Shana?
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  - Oh, you know, just hanging with celebrities.
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  (laughing)
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  - Yes.
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  - Yeah, so as previously mentioned, and with the yes on top,
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  one, three, nine team in Arizona,
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  this is my first election I've worked on.
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  I've worked for a lot of like pro choice organizations
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  for years, but never a political campaign.
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  And getting to see like the inner workings
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  of the political campaign is so interesting.
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  And just every day, there's something every single day, right?
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  And so we had Chrissy Teigen come to town this past weekend.
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  - How did that go?
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  'Cause I know you didn't wanna like her initially.
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  - Oh my God, you know, I did think about my feelings
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  for Chrissy Teigen as I was very like neutral.
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  Like I didn't really know much about her,
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  except for like, she's--
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  - That's what it means to not answer.
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  - Yeah, and I knew she was like hot and funny.
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  - And married to John Legend.
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  - And married to John Legend.
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  - She is an amazing cook.
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  - Yeah.
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  - It's not like I didn't like her.
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  I just didn't really like know much about her.
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  - About her to be fair.
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  It's kind of like how I feel about just any kind of
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  neutral celebrity, I don't know.
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  After meeting her, I'm obsessed with Chrissy Teigen.
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  I'm absolutely a fan.
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  - She was amazing.
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  So she came to Arizona specifically to canvas with us,
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  met some abortion storytellers at a coffee shop
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  and literally just sat with these women
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  and talked about her abortion experience
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  from a wanted pregnancy.
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  They all told their stories.
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  Then she came outside, did a little rally.
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  And then it was just me and her plus her entire entourage.
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  In a sprinter van, which I had never been in,
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  but they were like, oh, just getting our van,
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  just get in with us.
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  'Cause I was gonna just follow behind them in my car
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  and they were like, no, we have an extra seat.
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  Oh my God, okay.
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  - Okay.
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  - Is there candy?
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  - Literally.
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  - Oh my God.
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  So I told Chrissy, there's three rules to canvassing,
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  like three no-nose.
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  Don't go in anyone's house.
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  Don't ask for any candy or don't accept candy
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  from strangers and don't prine to their personal lives.
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  And she did all three of those and it was really funny.
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  (laughing)
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  She literally walked into somebody's house
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  to hug their husband and she came back out and was like,
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  Chrissy, we talked about this girl.
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  - Did you have like security with her?
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  - Yes, so.
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  - Was her security like, yeah, you could see
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  I'm just rolling his eyes.
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  I mean, okay, spoiler, but peak behind the curtain.
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  The houses we went to were like pre-vetted.
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  - Okay, yeah, good.
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  - So we didn't just show.
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  - I was wondering how that worked.
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  'Cause I'm like, ooh.
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  - You don't just show up to random strangers' houses
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  because we don't know if they're security risks.
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  - I mean, we do.
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  - I do all the time.
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  - Fuck, fuck, fuck, Shauna's health and safety.
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  Chrissy Teigan, let's, yeah.
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  No, when you think about this celebrity,
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  you go to their house in advance and you're like,
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  "Within the next hour, are you chill
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  if Chrissy Teigan comes by?"
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  And they're like, oh, yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Absolutely.
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  Yes, please.
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  - Yes, please, that's so cool.
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  - Yeah.
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  So everybody was very sweet to her and she seemed like
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  genuinely really excited to be there.
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  It was so nice to me and like, asking about my life
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  and where I was just joking around.
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  And then once we were done, we went back for a final rally
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  and she was like sitting there and I was kind of on the side
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  'cause I was working and she turned around casually and saw me
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  and went, like, we waved all the throos yesically
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  and made the little heart sign and I waved back
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  and my coworkers looked at me and they're like,
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  you guys are like friends now, Shauna.
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  (laughing)
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  I mean, it's hard not to like this.
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  Oh my God.
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  And then as we were walking out and her security was there
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  and people were like, ambushing her,
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  like this guy showed up with like bathing suit posters
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  of her and her security guard to be like,
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  oh everybody back, hurry back.
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  She came up to me and like grabbed my shoulder
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  and was like, oh my God, Shauna was so nice
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  to hang out with you and it's like,
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  all right, I'm officially fucking a lovely person.
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  - Yeah, like can I take that sign and will you sign it?
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  - Yeah, I can take that sign and post her 'cause we're in love now.
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  But yeah, she was delightful.
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  She was very kind and very sweet.
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  So, yeah, you can go crazy to him.
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  - Yeah, you can really do it all 'cause you went out
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  the night before and that was quite the feat.
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  - Yeah, it was.
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  We had a good time though.
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  - That was a good time.
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  - Yeah, we were bar maidens.
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  The bar maidens, I don't know.
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  - Yeah, maidens.
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  - Maiden sounds more.
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  - Maiden sounds original though.
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  - Oh, does it?
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  I thought it was more like--
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  - She's a maiden,
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  - Maiden, you're on our maiden voyage.
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  - I think like Maiden mother and crow.
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  (laughing)
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  - Yeah, so perfect fitting for us, we are innocent.
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  - We're just innocent,
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  we're not virgin bar maidens.
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  (laughing)
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  - I say with my devil t-shirt.
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  - Yeah.
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  (laughing)
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  - But yeah, I went out the night before with you guys
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  and we danced and it was fun.
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  - We went to Thundercat Lounge in Arizona,
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  which I've never been to, but it was so fun.
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  - It was great, they played great music.
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  It was like a lot of 80s synth pop and like the whole vibe
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  and there was like neon 80s.
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  - And then they hit us with iconopop, Charlie X-X.
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  - Yeah, that was like right before I left and I swear,
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  I lost my voice, you can still kind of hear me
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  - It was just from screaming, Britney Spears,
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  Chapel Rones.
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  - We did H-O-T-O-G-O, like really, we would all out.
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  - I was so proud because I've introduced so many people
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  to Chapel Rones and everyone was doing it.
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  - I wouldn't have known Chapel Rones if it wasn't people.
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  - Yeah, you don't, even introduced me to him before
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  she got like super popular to your sound.
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  - You're not like the other girls.
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  - It's okay, I found her on TikTok,
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  but I just found her like a little bit sooner
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  'cause you never check your TikTok.
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  - I was locked out of my TikTok.
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  - I tried because you never joked.
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  - I tried to get back in the other day
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  'cause I wanted to make a TikTok for work
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  and I ended up having to do it on reels
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  'cause I'm just, I'm locked out.
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  I'm totally locked out.
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  - I'm just like,
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  - Is this thing called password reason?
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  - No, I tried and listen girl.
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  It was like a solid 45 minutes.
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  - It's okay, you're younger, intelligent friend.
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  Well, I'll do a reset your password.
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  - I'm just, you can give big, maiden energy.
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  I'm giving crone energy, right?
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  - How do I get back into this damn tick?
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  - Yeah, none of us are mothers,
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  except unless we're counting Ziggy and puppies.
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  - Oh, and toast.
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  - And toast.
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  - But yeah, maybe you can help me get back into this.
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  I have like 200 unbeknown TikToks from you.
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  - Probably, I've actually been super busy,
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  so I haven't been on it as much.
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  - Send me reels instead that I can do.
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  - No, not that old.
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  (laughing)
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  - I love asking the younger volunteers.
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  I'm like, I have a so great working with you today.
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  Do you have an insta?
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  And they're like, no, I don't.
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  - I have a TikTok.
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  - I have a TikTok and I'm like,
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  wow, shit.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Well, I have a huge dimension.
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  - At least I need to ask for your Facebook.
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  (laughing)
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  - Well, I love that.
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  - What have you been up to?
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  - So I went to San Francisco again.
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  - Shocked.
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  - Yes, I know.
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  For work.
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  And what I did this time,
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  so instead of saying in a tiny little shoebox hotel,
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  me and my coworkers actually rented a Airbnb this time.
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  So nice.
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  It was like an older Victorian
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  and was just literally gorgeous.
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  It was like a $2 million home,
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  which was actually a street over from the painted ladies,
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  which you may have seen the painted ladies
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  in the iconic Princess Diaries.
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  And so my coworkers and I did a Princess Diaries marathon.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - Here, they announced them for three years.
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  - Yeah, so I wanna talk about it.
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  - So it's very timely for pop culture.
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  Now, I think rewatching the first one
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  really holds up to just like a good movie,
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  like fun watching at 31 and be like, "This is amazing."
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  I really love it.
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  I did not remember how cheesy the second one was.
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  - All I remember is Chris Pine.
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  Do they get depth together in the second one?
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  - Yes.
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  - They do, okay, I remember she's,
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  he's not kind of the evil one trying to steal a crown.
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  - Yeah, but then they fall in love.
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  She changes him because she's so pure art.
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  And then she becomes the queen.
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  - Mm-hmm.
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  - And I think that's all I remember.
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  And when she leads little girls holding their hands
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  and gives them all crowns or something.
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  - Yeah, like her bachelor art party is filled
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  with like 12 girls.
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  And I'm like, "Oh, okay."
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  - I know that part's really dumb.
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  - It's a little cheesier.
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  Like I think they were like,
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  "Oh, our audience really is like this demographic.
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  Well, it's a hint to it."
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  But I am really excited for the third one
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  'cause what she'd be like, she'll be the queen.
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  - She'll be like 40.
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  - 40, yeah.
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  - Chris Pine still is.
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  - So he hasn't confirmed that he's a part of it,
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  but I'm assuming she's executive producer.
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  And so they haven't really gotten that far.
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  It'd be very early in pre-production,
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  but that was amazing.
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  - No, I always make this joke
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  that every time I go to San Francisco,
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  I think about two things.
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  The Prince of Styrates and the Zodiac Killer.
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  (laughing)
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  - So Ted Cruz and Ann have the way.
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  - Yeah, Ted Cruz.
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  - Oh, I was gonna say,
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  - Nipples.
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  - Oh, so yeah, no, I never watched it.
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  - I wasn't in a big full house, Carly.
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  I know the iconic you got it, dude,
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  but I was in Marikay and Ashley Olsen stand
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  once the director DVD.
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  - No, movies can now.
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  - I've never seen any of those either.
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  I feel like I was in that weird little time in my life
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  where we just--
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  - You are the crown.
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  - I am the crown.
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  We were trying to watch rated-hour movies and sleepovers.
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  - Yes, yeah.
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  I mean, I don't think they're very good to go back on
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  at this age, but they are iconic.
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  Megan Fox got her start.
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  - And then I owned in the sun one.
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  - That is so cute.
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  - The mean hot girl.
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  - Of course she's a mean hot girl.
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  (laughing)
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  - And so funny enough, the next night,
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  Netflix released a Zodiac Killer documentary.
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  - Oh, okay, got a lot of that.
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  - Yeah, it's pretty good.
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  They're making a case for this man named Robert Allen
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  to actually be the Zodiac Killer.
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  I mean, every single Zodiac Killer documentary
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  makes a case for like, who is this person?
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  - A different person, yeah.
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  - And one of the most interesting updates
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  with the Zodiac Killer is they've never been able
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  to fully solve this, all the ciphers.
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  - Yeah.
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  - But they've gotten, I wanna say two,
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  but AI is actually now helping to solve it.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - So they may actually solve it.
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  - I was gonna say, we just need to get an autistic person
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  on the case.
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  - Listen.
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  (laughing)
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  - And so.
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  - They won't solve that shit in two minutes.
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  - Yeah, I watched one on Amazon Prime.
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  I think it's also in Hulu.
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  That was a really good one as well.
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  I mean, the case for like, these three different people
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  as well, but yeah, I mean, the most interesting part
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  about the Zodiac Killer is he just abruptly stopped.
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  And so he either was imprisoned or--
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  - What year is this in the '60s?
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  - It's in the '70s.
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  - So he could still be alive.
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  - Yeah, so yeah, but pretty old.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And so he's either killed or incarcerated
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  for something else.
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  - He's not the old one.
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  - He's not the old one.
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  - Yeah, he's said, he's like, I was in a silly mood.
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  - Not over it.
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  (laughing)
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  - No more murder for me.
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  - I got to murder, please.
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  - So I got to fulfill both my dreams.
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  I watched that.
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  I also went and saw Smile too.
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  - I loved it.
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  - Yeah, it was so good.
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  - It was like scary.
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  - Yeah, I will say, much goryer.
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  - Yeah, it was gory time.
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  - Was that Smile one?
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  - I had to do this for like one scene.
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  - I had my hands on my face, like, oh God.
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  - Just for a long time.
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  - I want buttery fingers.
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  - Yeah, butter is getting buttered popcorn.
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  - Yeah, I ate so much popcorn.
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  I had a hella bubbleguts that night anyway.
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  - Yeah.
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  (laughing)
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  - But, I mean, I guess it's not really spoiler
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  'cause this is what Smile's about.
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  When the first guy kills himself
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  in the apartment and she watches.
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  - Very disturbing.
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  - I would say, oh my God, this is horrible.
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  - It's dangfully my friend had gone and seen it
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  like earlier in the day and I was like,
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  oh, did you like it?
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  Like, spoiler for your review and she's like,
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  it's much goryer.
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  So I was kind of like primed for it,
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  but I will say, you know, going into it,
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  know that it's a little goryer.
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  - But really good.
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  - Shona and I have talked about how we don't like gory
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  and we still really liked it.
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  I liked it more than the first one.
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  - I did too and I didn't think it was too like over
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  the top gory.
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  Like I can do gory like that where it kind of gives you
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  that like, ugh, sensation.
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  Like Andrew has been watching the terrifying movies
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  and I refuse to watch those.
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  I can't.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Any movie that has the promo of like,
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  people are throwing up in the theater.
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  I'm like, why would I want to do that?
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  - I spent good money on this meal.
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  - I already have enough of this stomach problem.
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  I'm good.
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  - Maybe I already have ideas.
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  (laughing)
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  - And you know, I will say, so they,
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  NEPO baby casting worked its magic probably
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  for the first time ever.
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  It has brain neckl soon in it.
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  - Oh, yeah, just great.
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  - And you can immediately tell that it's
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  triac nookl soon sun.
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  - Naila once you start to see.
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  - Especially with smiles.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Spoilery smiles.
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  - Yeah, don't figure smiles.
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  - And I just loved it.
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  I thought it was really good.
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  And yeah, there is something about that smile
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  that is just so creepy.
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  - I was doing it to Andrew for days after.
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  - Oh, it's just like,
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  (laughing)
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  - Oh, you're actually pretty good at that.
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  - Thank you.
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  - Yeah, I really need to be.
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  - You're really pretty.
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  (laughing)
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  - If you do that plus the rocking,
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  like paranormal activity.
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  - Oh, you got this like both.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, again, I would totally knock you out.
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  - That time though.
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  - He dropped me up at Walgreens,
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  like the next day and he's like,
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  I'm gonna stay in the car and I was like,
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  I gotta go get that on a tampon or lip gloss or some
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  girl shit.
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  - You know, yeah, girl bangs.
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  (laughing)
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  - I get out of the car and I just stand in front of the car
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  and I'm just like,
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  (laughing)
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  and you can't see him in the car.
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  He's like, get the fuck in there.
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  He's like, about to get up.
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  He's like, stop it.
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  - He just drives you off the road.
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  I get back in the car and he's like,
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  people can see.
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  (laughing)
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  - I don't care.
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  - He's like, I knock on doors for a living right now.
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  I have no chance.
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  I literally like, I do not care.
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  - Yeah.
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  - People think, yeah, don't care.
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  Maybe I should care more.
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  (laughing)
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  - Oh, I love that.
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  Anything else you've really watched in a middle break?
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  - Oh god, I've just been watching a lot of scary movies.
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  I watched Sleepy Hollow for the first time.
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  - I know, I've never seen it all the way through.
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  - He's a classic.
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  - I really enjoyed it.
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  - Johnny Depp was so hot.
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  - He's so hot.
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  - I love it.
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  - Christina Ricci is really pretty.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So I really enjoyed that.
• 14:23
  I watched a movie called Strange Darling.
• 14:26
  - I don't know if I've seen it.
• 14:27
  - Yeah, it's definitely like a kind of under the radar
• 14:30
  thriller.
• 14:31
  I don't want to spoil the thing about it
• 14:33
  because it starts one way and you think you know
• 14:35
  where it's going.
• 14:37
  - Oh god, I don't know.
• 14:37
  - No one knows.
• 14:38
  - Oh my god, okay, the actor who is in Jennifer's body.
• 14:41
  - Oh, I'm in.
• 14:42
  - Seafreech.
• 14:43
  - No, it's the guy who plays like the little golf boyfriend.
• 14:45
  - Oh, funny.
• 14:47
  - He's in a told man when he's hot as hell.
• 14:49
  He's so fine.
• 14:50
  Great mustache.
• 14:51
  - We watched Jennifer's body.
• 14:53
  This is so random.
• 14:54
  But I knew a girl in a high school who is cousins with him.
• 14:58
  And they have the same very flat face.
• 15:01
  Sorry.
• 15:02
  And every time I see him, I can't not see that girl.
• 15:06
  - Look at him now.
• 15:07
  I don't know.
• 15:08
  I didn't even realize it was him until later.
• 15:10
  And I was like, there's no.
• 15:11
  I had a bad mushroom trip with that girl though.
• 15:14
  So I think it's just imprinted in my brain.
• 15:16
  - You're gonna watch this movie
• 15:17
  and just have like mushroom flashbacks.
• 15:19
  Oh my god.
• 15:20
  Literally, I know.
• 15:22
  - Literally.
• 15:23
  - I'm very handsome now.
• 15:24
  - Okay.
• 15:25
  I'll watch it.
• 15:26
  - Great movie.
• 15:27
  Yeah.
• 15:28
  It reminded me kind of like, oh gosh.
• 15:29
  What's that movie that came out last year where it looks like it's gonna be about an Airbnb
• 15:33
  gone wrong and then all of a sudden there's a monster in the walls.
• 15:35
  - Yeah.
• 15:36
  That movie is so bad.
• 15:38
  - I love our very--
• 15:39
  - It's like two separate movies put together.
• 15:41
  - The only reason it reminded me of this is because when the movie starts, you're like,
• 15:43
  oh, this is a movie about XYZ.
• 15:45
  - Okay.
• 15:46
  - And then about halfway through.
• 15:47
  You're like, oh, this is not a movie about XYZ.
• 15:48
  - Is it as jarring of a jump?
• 15:50
  - No.
• 15:51
  - Okay, good.
• 15:52
  - It makes sense.
• 15:53
  It's just like, only in the way that like, you think you know where you're going within and
• 15:58
  it's not.
• 15:59
  So I definitely would recommend that.
• 16:00
  I love that.
• 16:01
  Well, since you've been having such a foray into politics as of late, we wanted to talk
• 16:07
  about a better time, a time before the madness of our political season where politicians
• 16:15
  could just be good people on camera.
• 16:19
  We'll talk about that after the break.
• 16:21
  - Yeah.
• 16:22
  - My fellow junkies, Shana and I don't have to tell you or anyone, that is an election happening
• 16:32
  in this country.
• 16:33
  You've gotten 20,000 texts probably while watching this episode.
• 16:36
  - But it come like it, my phone number.
• 16:38
  - Yeah, so weird.
• 16:39
  - Madala, what are you doing here?
• 16:41
  Unfortunately, even your dog probably knows that it is an election season.
• 16:46
  - Oh, she knows because I've been very anxious.
• 16:48
  - I just need to hold you.
• 16:51
  The other day, you sent that video of her wet and I, it was so jarring.
• 16:57
  It was like, she's so much tired of you.
• 17:00
  - No, it looked like a demon for a second.
• 17:03
  It was like, Buffy is like, "You, what did she do to you?"
• 17:06
  - Buffy is 90% fluke.
• 17:08
  - Yeah.
• 17:09
  - She gets her wet and she's just a little griblin.
• 17:12
  - Maybe you're lucky.
• 17:13
  We'll share it here.
• 17:14
  And we may not know the outcome of the election until after this episode comes out.
• 17:19
  - Well, actually, Sean is hedging a bet that it comes out on Thursday.
• 17:22
  I'm praying we wrap it up real quick.
• 17:24
  - Oh God, I hope so.
• 17:25
  So we will know the prop 1, 3, 9 results like that night in Arizona and maybe a lot of
• 17:31
  local races wherever everybody lives.
• 17:34
  But yeah, I want to know everybody's bets on when the presidential election call is called.
• 17:39
  And I think November 7th by noon, that's what I'm, I hope it's earlier, but that's what
• 17:44
  I'm betting.
• 17:45
  - Yeah.
• 17:46
  - Like us, you are no doubt dealing with fear, anger, dread, anxiety and maybe even worse.
• 17:52
  It's quite overwhelming.
• 17:53
  Buffy would agree.
• 17:55
  And that's why it made seem a little odd that we're going to talk about politics and pop
• 17:58
  culture.
• 17:59
  But where better to retreat to the land of Make Believe in movies and on TV?
• 18:05
  Big world changing problems can be resolved and as little as 46 minutes.
• 18:09
  So I wanted to talk about, you know, what is your favorite pop culture, political TV show?
• 18:19
  Just kind of out of the gate.
• 18:21
  Last week tonight, which on Oliver.
• 18:23
  - Okay.
• 18:24
  - Yeah.
• 18:25
  We watch that almost every week, unless I'm just too anxious because even though he's hilarious,
• 18:30
  sometimes he, I watch it and I'm like, I can't, I can't.
• 18:35
  Because it's all real stuff that he's dealing with and talking about, but in a funny way.
• 18:38
  He's really educational to us.
• 18:40
  I love his little segments where he really dives deep into one specific topic.
• 18:46
  And it's more like, okay, not just like the person, but the systematic problems that
• 18:52
  come from, like today we're talking about prison reform or like insurance and like, it's
• 18:57
  really interesting.
• 18:58
  I've also been a fan of the Daily Show for years through.
• 19:00
  Well, he came from the Daily Show.
• 19:01
  Yeah, exactly.
• 19:02
  So like original John Stewart run and then I really love Trevor Noah.
• 19:06
  Now, John Stewart's back just when we need him.
• 19:08
  Yeah.
• 19:09
  So those are my favorite like, nonfiction, I guess, political shows, but then I loved House
• 19:16
  of Cards and Parks and Rec, which I know we'll talk about later.
• 19:20
  Yeah, I would say I was kind of going through and thinking of all of my political TV shows.
• 19:26
  And I would say that they're very conspiratorial in nature, go figure.
• 19:31
  Yeah.
• 19:32
  But you know, I really loved House of Cards.
• 19:36
  I think, you know, we don't love Kevin Spacey.
• 19:38
  We can separate the art from the artist.
• 19:40
  Why did you have to go and blow it like that?
• 19:42
  We loved that.
• 19:43
  I mean, I think it's, it's kind of like he was already always a bad person, which is why
• 19:49
  I think he played the Frank Underwood.
• 19:52
  Yeah, I almost said Underwood.
• 19:55
  Frank Underwood from the Underworld.
• 19:57
  Yeah, I didn't.
• 19:58
  It's not far off.
• 19:59
  But Frank Underwood was just such a good character.
• 20:03
  He was such a good character.
• 20:04
  And I think he came in a time where, you know, America was really starting to have a
• 20:10
  disdain for political figures.
• 20:13
  I mean, I think it's only gotten worse since the show came out.
• 20:16
  I think there's like this interesting mix right now with people having a disdain for political
• 20:20
  figures or absolutely worshiping them and idolizing them.
• 20:24
  Like, I mean, the amount of idolization that goes on around Donald Trump is insane because
• 20:31
  this man doesn't give two shits about any of you.
• 20:34
  And people are like getting tattoos and flags and hats and making their Trumpism their entire
• 20:41
  personality, right?
• 20:42
  Yes.
• 20:43
  And I mean, even you could say that for the last two.
• 20:45
  Like I like Bernie Sanders as much as the next person.
• 20:47
  Yeah, Bernie.
• 20:48
  Bernie was going to like just be the, be all in doll.
• 20:52
  And I don't know, I just, I can't idolize any politician like that.
• 20:56
  Yeah.
• 20:57
  And, you know, I think with House of Cards, it really embodies this secret CD like everything
• 21:06
  is an illusion.
• 21:08
  Yeah.
• 21:09
  Start of TV.
• 21:12
  I was looking at the Rolling Stones' best 20 political movies and TV shows.
• 21:19
  And what was really interesting going through this list of what's known is like the best political
• 21:25
  movies of all time is they were really coming out before the 2000s.
• 21:31
  They were old.
• 21:32
  I haven't seen many of them.
• 21:33
  Yeah.
• 21:34
  And they were representations of, you know, strong political figures that you could trust.
• 21:39
  And I thought it was such an interesting, you know, dichotomy of how far we've come where
• 21:46
  you know, like our popular ones are going to be like House of Cards.
• 21:50
  I really like to get homeland homeland homeland homeland homeland homeland homeland homeland.
• 21:54
  That's where we're at at a jump.
• 21:56
  I really liked homeland as well, which is, you know, very conspiratorial.
• 22:01
  I never forget that before.
• 22:03
  Oh my gosh.
• 22:04
  Everybody gets so good.
• 22:06
  So good.
• 22:07
  So homeland is about the CIA and it's about this imperfect CIA agent.
• 22:15
  And she is with Claire Danes plays her.
• 22:19
  Oh, okay.
• 22:20
  What's his name?
• 22:21
  I can't remember his name.
• 22:22
  Damian Lewis isn't it?
• 22:24
  And basically he is like a prisoner of war who comes back.
• 22:28
  Oh, okay.
• 22:29
  And he's been turned into like a jihad.
• 22:31
  And but they don't know it.
• 22:33
  And he starts to get put up this like political ladder into becoming like a senator and all
• 22:39
  the stuff.
• 22:40
  And he's like infiltrating the whole time.
• 22:41
  Yeah.
• 22:42
  And Claire Danes is like the only one who's been in the CIA.
• 22:44
  And who's convinced that he's been turned.
• 22:47
  And so it's like the story, but she's also bipolar.
• 22:50
  And so she makes like these really dumb decisions.
• 22:53
  And not that big bipolar has he made dumb decisions.
• 22:56
  But she is trying to hide her mental illness and like you can't really do that.
• 23:01
  And sure.
• 23:02
  And so when you say Claire Danes, like now I can picture her like on a poster or something
• 23:06
  with it.
• 23:07
  Yes, where she has like that.
• 23:08
  Well, I wrapped around her.
• 23:10
  Exactly.
• 23:11
  Maybe I'll give it a whirl.
• 23:12
  That's really an interesting thing.
• 23:13
  I think it's like a really good thing to do.
• 23:16
  I think it's like a really good thing to do.
• 23:18
  I think it's like a really good thing to do.
• 23:20
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• 23:21
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• 23:22
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• 23:23
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• 23:24
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• 23:25
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• 23:26
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• 23:27
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• 23:28
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• 23:29
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• 23:30
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• 23:31
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• 23:50
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• 23:53
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• 23:54
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• 23:56
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• 23:57
  And I think it's like a really good thing to do.
• 23:58
  And I think it's like a really good thing to do.
• 23:59
  is a good representation of our hopefulness back in the 2000s of our belief in political figures.
• 24:07
  Yeah. They can do right. They can be in here for honor and trust and stuff. That's a really
• 24:12
  good point. Now, this said, everything is like the city underbelly of what really goes on.
• 24:17
  I also like to show I didn't watch the whole thing because it kind of fell off, but it was called
• 24:21
  designated survivor with a cat the same guy from 24. He for someone. There it is. Also, I loved 24,
• 24:29
  but it was very problem. Oh my god. Yeah. But it's like the whole president's cabinet,
• 24:35
  like whenever there's a state of the union, everybody goes, but one person stays behind in case there's
• 24:40
  an attack. Yes. And there's an attack and it's all wiped out. So he goes from being like this
• 24:45
  low level, lower level like government employed to being the president in like one night.
• 24:49
  I've watched that with my dad actually. Yeah. It was really in my face. Yeah. And it's like,
• 24:53
  oh, he's so good. And like, he's imperfect, but like he does the right thing. He's just a dad. He has a
• 24:59
  strong moral compass. Yeah. I think I should get back on that. House of cards is the opposite where he's
• 25:04
  got that low moral compass. Yeah. I tried to get my dad to watch House of cards. He's not listening.
• 25:11
  I love you, dad. He's him and his wife said they couldn't watch it because there is too much
• 25:15
  oral sex. And like, so that tells me what you guys aren't doing. It's probably good. It's pretty good.
• 25:25
  60s who cares if there's some kind of lingus. Yeah. Well, Jesus, Jesus cares.
• 25:31
  They're gentle. Yeah. Well, I think it's a little too close for home to them to look into
• 25:38
  or politicians. Yeah. One of the interesting things that we were reading through this rolling
• 25:44
  stone's list and I'll just kind of read the 10, you know, they're from 10 to 9. So 10 is a face in the
• 25:50
  crowd. It came out in 1957. We had this movie called on number nine called Bob Roberts, which is
• 25:57
  1992. I want to watch that now that you send me the trailer for it. It looks fast. And yeah, so I was
• 26:02
  actually hoping to watch the movie before this episode, but you actually cannot find it anywhere
• 26:08
  in a streaming in the United States. We could find it if we went to like a Zeea Records or something.
• 26:14
  Oh, on DVD or something. Yeah. And like we'd have to find a DVD player. Good will. Yeah.
• 26:20
  I own a VHS player. Oh my god. A VCR. Oh wow. Well, because I wanted to show Andrew my whole
• 26:26
  crew. I am serving Croad as energy. Yeah. We can't do it. I do like no. I do like no. I do like no.
• 26:37
  That's that's amazing. Yeah. But so this film is very known as the predictor of Donald Trump. And so
• 26:47
  if you just go on YouTube and look at Bob Roberts trailer, it was insane. He called it personality.
• 26:53
  Yeah. Yeah. The only thing that Donald Trump does not mirror this person on is attractiveness.
• 27:00
  Well, that yeah, that and he's not like a singer. Yeah. And that's the only thing. But it is really
• 27:06
  this guy who comes in. He's a like a nepo baby rich person who comes in like a country music singer.
• 27:16
  Yeah. Yeah. And just like in the trailer, it really lays out like everything. I was watching a clip
• 27:22
  from it and like he gets like almost assassinated. And I was like, wow. This is even more. No.
• 27:27
  This is even more spot on. Did you catch the young Jack Black? I didn't actually until you said it.
• 27:32
  Yeah. And he likes familiar. Yeah. I love Bob Roberts or something like. But yeah, it was really,
• 27:38
  really crazy to see. So there were some movies that were starting to make its way into the zeitgeist
• 27:45
  that were making fun of politicians. It's really calling attention to the craziness of politics
• 27:54
  with humor. And I think one of the best movies that I have seen that I really, really like that
• 28:00
  is looking backwards is the movie dick. And you would have seen it before, right? I've seen that movie.
• 28:07
  So I was on my computer and I was trying to see where I could stream dick again. And whenever I
• 28:17
  started to go type into my work computer dick into the search bar. And I just like looked and
• 28:22
  before I hit enter, I was like, that's a personal search. Like dick movie. Yeah. Wait, still not better.
• 28:28
  And so if you've never seen dick, it's with tears to and Michelle William. I've seen that I can picture
• 28:35
  the cover in my head no from blockbuster. Yes. Yes, right. And this is a movie that is kind of made
• 28:42
  for teenagers like it's silly. It's goofy. But I think it had a really profound effect on the adult
• 28:49
  who lived through the Nixon administration. Yeah. And kind of saw all that. I was watching it. And
• 28:56
  I was just thinking like, man, what we wouldn't do for Nixon now. Oh my god. You know, and now that I
• 29:01
  think about it, I think that maybe I we weren't alive during the Nixon administration. But that was
• 29:05
  probably the beginning of like the downfall of American politics. And then you get like Ronald Reagan
• 29:12
  in my opinion. That's the entrance of like Christian nationalism into the zeitgeist and like that
• 29:17
  mix of religion with politics. But yeah, I mean, this movie is stacked with like I mentioned Kirsten
• 29:24
  Dunn, special Williams. We have Dan Hadea, Will Ferrell and just so many famous. That's a given
• 29:30
  the world in it. And it is basically instead of, you know, the mysterious deep throat Kirsten Dunn's
• 29:39
  and Michelle Williams are 15 year old girls and they are deep throat in the movie. And it is so funny.
• 29:46
  Oh my god. It's hilarious. You know, of course, there is a lot of slide dick jokes with a lot of
• 29:52
  slide dick jokes. Yeah. When I first started going to ASU, Jessica and I were in journalism and we
• 29:58
  got putting a bunch of like 18 year olds in a room and trying to teach them about deep throat
• 30:04
  the entire time. We were just like, he he he like the entire room and the professor had to get up
• 30:10
  there and be like, stop laughing at deep throat. It's not that funny, which of course was the most
• 30:15
  fucking hilarious thing we never heard. Because it is funny. He's like your your dad and your stepmom.
• 30:21
  Like it's not getting deep 30. Orals.
• 30:23
  Jeep throat isn't funny. And it's too much oral sex.
• 30:27
  You can never have to see my Jorls X. Sorry. Yes. And just to kind of finish off these top 10 political
• 30:35
  movies. Oh, I want to talk about, I don't know what number this is in the list. So I want to talk
• 30:40
  about idiocracy. Oh, yes. Let's keep going. So we have Lincoln, which is obviously about Abraham Lincoln.
• 30:46
  And then number seven, we have idiocracy. And I want to kind of take you back to 1999.
• 30:52
  Oh, let me just I mean, how old was I? I was 10 years old.
• 30:57
  Or I guess yes. Did you see it when it first came out? Or when did you first watch the movie?
• 31:03
  What did you think when you first saw it? I see it as a 2006 movie. So it looks like the concept
• 31:09
  kind of went back. It felt like the early 2000s, but it wasn't released until 2006. Oh,
• 31:15
  interesting. Yeah. Exactly. So it was 1999. Yeah. So the film is released. So I watched it in high
• 31:22
  school. Okay. And at the time I thought no one could ever be this stupid. Yes. I remember watching
• 31:28
  this and be like, what a dumb movie. This could never happen. Exactly. And so now it's like cold
• 31:34
  following because it really is where we are today. It's got a lecture. Yes. Yes. So idiocracy
• 31:41
  stars Luke Wilson, my brood off, Dax Shepherd, Terry Cruz, just in long, I mean, another hilarious
• 31:49
  cast. So Luke Wilson plays, I don't know, a low level. Just a suit. He just a guy who travels to the
• 31:57
  future. Yes. He gets the hibernates or like gets cryo friends. Yeah. And wakes up and he's the smartest
• 32:04
  person alive. Yeah. And back in his time, he was just a dude. Yeah. It was like not very smart. But
• 32:10
  in the future, he becomes, you know, the smartest person ever. And really just using critical
• 32:15
  thinking skills. Yes. But everybody has lost that ability. Yes. Which is so funny to see a movie
• 32:22
  that was either conceived in 1999 and released in 2006. Who could know? There's no way to know.
• 32:29
  Not the Rolling Stones. Apparently. But yes. And the president is Terry Cruz. And he is just
• 32:35
  a personality. He's just this bombastic personality. He's a wrestler. He's a professional wrestler.
• 32:41
  He like, he doesn't really have any plans or policy. But he's got a big personality. So, yep.
• 32:47
  He gets elected president. Yeah. And when I want to say, you know, when we were kind of approaching
• 32:54
  to 2017 and it became really popular to be like, we are literally living in idiocracy. Yeah. And it
• 33:01
  is crazy to go back and watch to be like 10, 15 years later. Now it feels like this is our reality.
• 33:09
  It really does. Like God, I mean, when I just think about how we accepted a reality TV star to be our
• 33:17
  president. Yeah. Well, that's, that's what's interesting. You know, obviously the apprentice has come
• 33:24
  out as a reality show. And then recently we have had drama with the movie The Apprentice
• 33:32
  Sebastian. So, okay, I forgot that this was a thing. Yes. But I know Sebastian Stan is playing Trump,
• 33:38
  which is crazy because Sebastian Stan is a very good looking person. Yes. I digress. They make them look
• 33:44
  pretty, pretty dang close to orange. Yeah. Well, he wasn't so orange back then. Okay. It's
• 33:50
  this is yeah. So the movie The Apprentice with Sebastian Stan as a young Donald Trump came out
• 33:58
  and has really been mirrored in controversy ever since they released it at Cannes. And so the film
• 34:04
  already came out. Yes. So you can go see it now in theaters. I don't know if I want to. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:09
  And so the film explores Donald Trump's early life and his early years in real estate under the
• 34:15
  mentorship of Roy Cone. So it really did run into a lot of struggles. So when it first came out at
• 34:23
  Cannes, Donald Trump and his team really threatened a lot of the distributors. Okay.
• 34:28
  So it doesn't paint him at a very pretty light. It doesn't paint him in a great light in his opinion.
• 34:35
  But then there are also critics who say it was too sympathetic and that they don't
• 34:39
  villainize him enough, which I think is just kind of a good representation of where we're at in
• 34:45
  the world. Like there's no ability to be in the middle and just look at someone, how they arrive
• 34:51
  where they are. I think, you know, you can look at Donald Trump and say like he's been evil from
• 34:56
  the beginning, but I think a lot of it is the human experience and you can go through that and
• 35:01
  look at that. Like he's a shit person. He's a terrible person. I mean, he's been like having,
• 35:05
  I mean, even when he was just a property manager or whatever, he had like racist policies for that.
• 35:10
  He's just a bad self-expression. And I think it kind of goes to the human experience of wanting to
• 35:16
  understand like a serial killer. I just agree with no notes. But you know, you want to understand
• 35:25
  and you want to explore how someone got there. But do we need to give them like a platform
• 35:29
  in a movie about themselves? Especially well, maybe not like, does it have to come out right now?
• 35:35
  When we're still in the mud with this guy where he might be the fucking president again.
• 35:40
  So I mean, maybe in 10 years from now, once he's long gone.
• 35:46
  So yeah, I would disagree on that note though, because I don't think it shows I'm going to
• 35:51
  goodbye it at all. But I also don't think it's like an overly cited opinion. So maybe it's just very
• 35:59
  neutral. I mean, not neutral because he's a bad person. Yeah, I mean, it's going to show
• 36:03
  through. So, you know, kind of going through the issues. So Trump labeled the film as pure fiction
• 36:09
  and threatened legal action against its creators. This led to distributors not wanting to pick up
• 36:14
  the film, which, you know, kind of given what's going on with the Washington Post right now.
• 36:19
  Yeah. With Jeff Bezos, you know, it's a very interesting argument that we have. And so it was well
• 36:26
  received at cons. A lot of people have said like, do should we release this in an election year?
• 36:31
  Ultimately, that is why Donald Trump wanted to stop it, so that I didn't come out. It wasn't his
• 36:37
  October surprise. But it's been really interesting. Not that the October surprise worked out.
• 36:41
  Yeah. Favorite last time. Yeah. And so, you know, I think it's been really interesting to watch
• 36:47
  the press of this movie. Yeah. And, you know, Sebastian Stan has been seen on like the red carpet of
• 36:53
  like, please just go see the movie in four or a judge opinion. Yeah. Which is crazy.
• 37:00
  It's like we're so divided on, you know, should this even come out where it's already been.
• 37:06
  Yeah. I think that art should always be, you know, presented in New Austin,
• 37:12
  yeah, thought through and maybe I'll give it a try once I'm further removed from the election.
• 37:18
  Like right now, I am just we're all so immersed in it. I had to watch stop watching handmaid's tale
• 37:24
  like years ago because it just got so like close to home and yeah, anxiety inducing. I would agree
• 37:31
  with that. And then I found out she was a Scientologist. I know. And I don't feel that.
• 37:35
  But maybe maybe in a couple years, I'll give it a whirl. Yeah. Exactly. It's a PTSD. And so, I know I'm
• 37:43
  taking like 17 years to go through this list, but six was wagged the dog in 1997. It has De Niro
• 37:49
  and Justin Hoffman for number five. This where you start to see a lot of these movies are very,
• 37:55
  very old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just rattles. Yeah. So five. Mr Smith goes to Washington. That's a 1939
• 38:03
  movie. We have the candidate in 1972. We have for a third Dr. Strangelove or how I learned how to stop
• 38:11
  bringing and love the bomb 1964 for number two in the loop 2009. And then for number one, which none of
• 38:20
  you will be surprised by this is all the president's band of 1976. Probably very good movies. Yes.
• 38:28
  I have seen all the president's band. I think it's a great movie. Yeah. It's kind of what they spoof
• 38:34
  Dick off of. Oh gosh. It's so it's the serious. Yeah. So it's the serious. Sometimes you need a
• 38:40
  serious Dick and a funny. Yeah. And so, you know, I think that it has just been such an interesting
• 38:49
  metamorphosis that we've gone through just through our lives, both in the media that gets created
• 38:54
  as well as the way that politics has changed. Yeah. Let's take a quick break. And then I want to talk
• 39:00
  about just politics as itself as entertainment. We've mentioned that election years, I mean,
• 39:12
  and I think this will probably be an overwhelming sentiment can be anxiety inducing and make you
• 39:17
  worried, especially if things are a tight race, right? And when you feel like so much is on the line,
• 39:23
  I feel like in recent years, politics has almost become itself entertainment. So I've heard some
• 39:31
  people say that they are voting for Donald Trump because he's quote, funny or entertaining, right?
• 39:37
  Which I think is I'm not racist. I just think he's funny. Literally. I think these are not qualities
• 39:43
  that I need in the president. I want somebody who's going to be frankly boring and steady. I don't
• 39:48
  think to be entertaining. And I don't know. I think and then people are kind of creating
• 39:54
  entertainment out of when Trump was in office. Oh, what's he going to do next? What's his next tweet
• 40:01
  going to be, right? And I mean, what do you think about just kind of like, I've mentioned
• 40:06
  cult of personality like people who watch politics as entertainment? I mean, on the more boring side,
• 40:14
  there's people who just enjoy watching C-SPAN. Yeah. Could be me. There's people who just enjoy listening
• 40:21
  to political talk radio and find it as entertainment. So yeah, I would probably say in 2016 to 2020,
• 40:31
  I was much more involved in watching the news, staying like watching it every day, making sure that
• 40:38
  I was following things on a daily basis. And I think that it is very easy to get sucked into it. Like
• 40:46
  yeah, a lot of people say the day that 24/7 or 24 hour news cycles were created was the day that,
• 40:53
  you know, journalism died, democracy died. Yeah. Because ultimately, it really is advantageous for
• 41:00
  these news networks to make you angry. Absolutely. I guess not even make you angry, but keep you hooked.
• 41:06
  That's how they make their money. They have advertising dollars. Unfortunately, the human experience
• 41:11
  does not stay around for good stories. What we are incentivized to do is get angry, to watch hate
• 41:18
  watch things, to get upset. Yeah. And that keeps us tuned to get riled up and tuned in. Exactly. And so,
• 41:25
  you know, I can look at my own personal like mental health in the times where I was watching the
• 41:31
  news every day. And I was, you know, waking up and listening to the daily every single day. And it
• 41:37
  just became this really negative cycle. And, you know, I'll look at my brother who is like a libertarian.
• 41:44
  And he would wake up every single day and, you know, watch Fox News. And he would watch like other
• 41:51
  channels as well. And we lived together at this time in 2020. And it was really insidious to watch like
• 42:00
  how that changed him, how that changed me, how that, you know, really went into it. And so, you know,
• 42:07
  I think it's a very human thing to get sucked into that like even just scrolling through
• 42:12
  TikTok right now. Like I have to be very intentional about like not watching these recaps or these
• 42:20
  incredibly like disturbing things. Yeah. I totally agree. And also once you get so consumed with
• 42:28
  these things, you stop paying attention to the really important things. So exactly. So when Trump says
• 42:35
  something that's actually really problematic and scary, like actually scary, like yeah,
• 42:42
  like he's he's threatening to like just deploy troops to like, I didn't exactly. And then when he
• 42:52
  says stuff like that, it gets buried with all the little silly shit he did. Like, oh, we went to
• 42:58
  McDonald's and serve fries. How that's so stupid. Exactly. He did his little stupid Trump dance,
• 43:04
  right? So we get so desensitized because like you said, it's 24/7 that it gets buried. And then you
• 43:10
  you forget there. It's easy to forget. Okay. Yeah. This man has said some really terrible racist
• 43:16
  things against black Americans against Latinos against like gay people and in Puerto Ricans,
• 43:22
  Haitians like because it's so bogged down and buried with just yeah. So I to me, it's like I listen to
• 43:31
  the news every day. Well, I get ready. My Google just played like the little recap. Yeah. Which is all I
• 43:37
  need. Just give me like, you know, here's your headlines for the day. Perfect. I know what I found that
• 43:44
  if I read it, it's much less jar like yeah, emotionally. Yeah. I can just, you know, have my one sense
• 43:53
  really activated there. And then I can internalize and feel the information. But yeah, I think it's just
• 44:00
  and you know, I always ask myself like, I'd look back to the world before 2016. And ask myself like,
• 44:09
  okay, is that attitude of making fun of Trump almost like early on in that election like with the
• 44:18
  news and all that like did that almost create him? I thought that too. Like if you look back up those
• 44:24
  SNL sketches that did not age well. I remember one where it was Hillary and Trump. And I mean, to be fair,
• 44:30
  SNL has been doing this for years. Yes. I mean, the like, Al Gore sketches from back in the day are
• 44:36
  hilarious. Yes. The Sarah Palin. Yes. And Will Farrell is George W. Bush hilarious. So good. So good.
• 44:44
  Now watch the strap. It's so funny. There was some sketch. I remember with Trump and Hillary
• 44:49
  debating and the commentators in the sketch were like, we might as well just say it. President Clinton,
• 44:56
  what do you think about it? Right. And now I think back on that and I get like itching. Like, oh my god,
• 45:01
  they chinkest us. I don't know. I think part of it was we didn't think that he had a chance at hell.
• 45:07
  Right. We give him so much attention. We give him so much attention to mock him. To mock him. And so
• 45:12
  that's what people started thinking, oh, this guy's funny. I remember people saying that, oh, he's
• 45:17
  funny. Oh, he's a businessman. What's the works that could happen? And turns out it's not funny.
• 45:23
  I don't think any of that was ever fucking funny. But like, I mean, whatever humor is subjective,
• 45:28
  I suppose. But we gave him a lot of platforms. And I know that like Jimmy Fallon, they, you know,
• 45:34
  he was on that show and he rubbed Trump's hair and kind of humanized him, right? And then they let
• 45:40
  Hillary host SNL. So Trump came and hosted SNL and did sketches with them. And there are a few
• 45:45
  cast members who were like, no, I'm not going to be on this episode of this guy is here. And I respect
• 45:49
  that so much. Right. But gave him equal platforms as Hillary Clinton. And he emerged as the guy with
• 45:57
  the great personality. Maybe he's a little rep around the edges, but he's funny. And he says what he
• 46:02
  means, which he does. And he's a lying ass. But whereas Hillary Clinton was kind of the standard
• 46:08
  cookie cutter politician or, you know, in a more misogynistic way, they were kind of putting her
• 46:13
  forces like the shrill, no fun woman. Well, that's how men of a certain age see women. Exactly.
• 46:21
  And now it's the total opposite. Kamala laughs too much. I'm sorry. So either we laugh too much or
• 46:28
  we're too shrill. Which one's it going to be by? The only acceptable version is a woman who's quiet.
• 46:34
  They're ultimately, you know. And yeah, I mean, I think it is such an interesting world that we live
• 46:41
  in now where we are not just seeing it on the news, but we're also seeing it in the algorithms.
• 46:47
  And there is proof that everything we see on social media is intentionally created or not created,
• 46:55
  but Sean get it to you to further deviate us. Oh, absolutely. And there are studies. It's not just
• 47:01
  from the news, but also on social media where, you know, you're starting to exist in a vacuum.
• 47:06
  And I do think that that is such a scary world that we live in. And I see it personally just on
• 47:13
  my algorithms or my social media where I go, oh, how could anybody ever think this way? And then
• 47:18
  I'm like, oh, no, I need to be intentional about consuming what is this other side seeing? Exactly.
• 47:25
  So that you can just kind of understand, like I think one of the things that politics has done to
• 47:30
  us is intentionally divide us 100% and it's getting worse and worse. That's such a good point. Like,
• 47:37
  I've said that to my husband before, like, I can't comprehend how anybody would think XYZ. And he goes,
• 47:44
  well, they think that about you too. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And that's true.
• 47:47
  Yeah. And, you know, like I've lived through that time with my brother in 2020. And, you know, him and I
• 47:55
  went to all the same schools. We had the same upbringing. Obviously, he was a man or the woman,
• 48:00
  but we went to the same college, the same degree. And, you know, I really wanted to like take a step back
• 48:07
  and be like, how does he think this way? And, you know, we look at, there's always a stroke about
• 48:13
  the male loneliness epidemic, but they are being served like these crazy, like, misogynistic views,
• 48:22
  as well as like this looks-maxing thing and like everything in your life will be better.
• 48:27
  Alpha male. Everything in your life will be better if you have a six pack and you just can't believe in
• 48:32
  these ideals and go back to church. You are better than women. You need to assert your dominance over
• 48:38
  them and get a six pack and like get her back in the kitchen. Yeah. And it's not the systematic
• 48:44
  things that have been created by government and by this division. It's just we, you know,
• 48:50
  gave women too much responsibility or we got to liberal and Donald Trump's campaign and like,
• 48:56
  agenda absolutely. Like, that's what they stand for. Right. Yes. Like, and so then when you see like
• 49:03
  a politician on television who's getting these platforms, who is also preaching these things,
• 49:09
  and maybe some of these words don't come straight from his mouth, but like they're from his cabinet too,
• 49:13
  from the comedians he lets on stage with them. That was disgusting. And then-
• 49:18
  Like him in the roast of Tom Brady, that was like, oh my god, we had faith in you. And then, you know,
• 49:23
  the grabber by the pussy tape came out and we all thought that was going to be the end, but it
• 49:27
  absolutely wasn't. And all it did was in bold in this gigachad personality even more of, you know what,
• 49:33
  yeah, grabber by the pussy man. Yeah. It's almost like crazy to think back on like everything like
• 49:39
  the textbook for just 2016 to this time. Oh my god. When people, when kids, like, look,
• 49:47
  it'll learn about that someday they're going to be like, what were you guys thinking? What happened?
• 49:52
  Yeah. No, it is really crazy. At least the boy students, well, the girls won't be allowed to
• 49:56
  read anymore. Yeah. No, we're not manifesting that. We are sending really good love. Obviously,
• 50:01
  this episode is being recorded before the election results. So we are living in a world where,
• 50:07
  we know, hopefully we get we have rights. Everybody lives. Let us make this podcast moving forward.
• 50:13
  This might be the last episode of the party. Yeah. When it's speaking freely. No, no, no, no.
• 50:19
  Yeah, stop it. Stop it. Why are you being too negative? We don't love that.
• 50:23
  And that's what I mean, though, is like I had and I don't think you could do this right now because
• 50:29
  of what you're working on and who you're talking to every day. But like I had to stop watching the
• 50:34
  news every day and I had to like read it and change my algorithm because it was such a negative
• 50:41
  feedback loop. And you know, I tried to do it more with my social media, right? Because like you
• 50:45
  said, I work in politics. And so all day, all I'm thinking about is the election. All day, it's just,
• 50:52
  it's there and just like and it shouldn't be that way. So that is so scary that that's the world we
• 50:58
  live in. Yeah. I mean, it sucks. It sucks. It sucks you in when you're in that job, right? Like when
• 51:02
  you're going to an event that's probably all you can think about for days. Yeah. So my algorithm,
• 51:06
  right? It's a lot of dogs. Yes. And a lot of good Halloween costumes and Agatha all along,
• 51:13
  which is amazing. Yeah. I know. I've been seeing a lot of like fan. It's incredible. I'm like,
• 51:20
  do I watch it? You should absolutely watch it. I have to watch Juan David. No, you don't. I'll
• 51:24
  fill you in. Okay. Literally. You don't. Cool. It's very queer and very witchy. Yes. I think she's
• 51:30
  got a plaque for being the first woman in the Marvel Universe to show her butt. Yeah. I look good,
• 51:35
  but it's good. It's a good bum. Good bum. Good bum. Squirrel. Yep. I have to change the subject.
• 51:41
  You know, but all of my all of my scrolling right now is I try to keep it very light. Yeah.
• 51:46
  Because I need that little break or I'll play little games on my phone and turn off the brain for
• 51:51
  a little bit or watch scary movies. Anything to just, you know, we need to take care of ourselves in
• 51:57
  this time, I think. Yeah. And Sean and I obviously really believe in the Democratic Party right now
• 52:03
  is the best solution for women, but I hope, you know, if you aren't undecided voter, even a Republican
• 52:10
  who's listening to this blue and it's carried away by now. But you love that you know that we believe
• 52:17
  that we are so much closer than what separates us. Yeah. And ultimately, I think that, you know,
• 52:23
  we exist in a world right now that is intentionally trying to divide us. And I think just going back to
• 52:29
  remembering we're all struggling. The, yep. The problems that are being talked about in politics
• 52:36
  are really only applying to the upper elite or 1% of people in we're all struggling. You never
• 52:43
  know what the person next to you is struggling with or what they're experiencing or what their life
• 52:48
  experience is what they're actually what got them to this level. What their algorithm shows them.
• 52:52
  You never know what the person next to you is. Yeah. Looks like it's a river. I mean, we both
• 52:57
  have friends, friends who are Republicans. And like you said, we have a lot in common and we just
• 53:01
  we try to focus on that and like, you know, just live life the best you can and be a decent person.
• 53:07
  There you go. And rewatch parks and rec because that's the government at its post medical.
• 53:13
  And if you've never seen it, watch The Manchurian Candidate. Because that's my, I've never seen that.
• 53:18
  I know. I can't believe you'd never seen it. It's Denzel. It's so good. It's so good. It's, I, I can't even
• 53:26
  begin to explain. It's so conspiratorial. But it's, oh my god. It's really, really good. Okay, so I'm only
• 53:32
  watching anything scary up until Thursday, which is for future listeners. It's Halloween. It's going
• 53:39
  to be Halloween in two days for us on this side. So only scary movies, but then after that, maybe I'll
• 53:43
  maybe I'll get some political drama. It's a good, like, political thriller. Yeah. And psychological
• 53:49
  thriller. So it's, I love to be psychologically thrilled. I put it in the, like, kind of like Jacob's
• 53:55
  Ladder. You gotta watch it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Jacob's Ladder is known as one of the best psychological
• 54:07
  horrors of all time. Yeah. Like, I know Colin's up to put that. Yeah. It's really, really good. It's
• 54:14
  a ladder. Jacob's Ladder. Do you know what that is? It's like the twist. It's that thing you used to
• 54:20
  do when you were a kid. Yeah. With the string. Like, I'm saying this like, yeah, like kind of like that.
• 54:26
  Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's like, it's a what? It's a what? Yeah. I was straight. Yeah. What you should
• 54:32
  play with strings when I was a youth. I had to find the strings. Oh, yeah. I'm the strings in
• 54:37
  rocks and sticks. I'm only 35. I'm suffering. Yeah. Sorry, guys. Everybody like a older than me right now is like,
• 54:45
  shut up. Yeah. Yeah. So they're like, oh, I'd go, but I'd give anything to go back to them. And,
• 54:51
  and you know, so my, my pop is Manchurian Candidate. Your pop is Agatha All Along. I love it. It's incredible.
• 54:59
  It's on Disney+. Tomorrow is October 30th for us. And it's gonna have the last two episodes. But
• 55:07
  at that point, you can just stream the entire thing on Disney+ and highly recommend it. The Puses.
• 55:12
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