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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 17) (7/12/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with Leslie Groff and her transcript
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  from her meeting with Congress. And now it's miss Toland
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  asking the questions. In our last hour, we talked a
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  lot and we're getting into the details about scheduling all
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  kinds of appointments for mister Epstein. Just a general question.
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  We mentioned the schedules and we reviewed the schedule as well.
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  But mister Epstein took multiple appointments a day, every single day.
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  Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question? Do you know why
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  what the purpose had taken so many meetings? Was answer?
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  I don't know why? He was a businessman? Question? And
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  now I would like to introduce majority Exhibit seven. This
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  is a compilation of some of those individual calendars that
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  were sent from your email account to Jeffrey Epstein. There
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  are examples that we received from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
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  The first calendar, the Bates number is House Oversight zero
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  zero one zero. I can give you a moment to review. Answer,
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  you want me to look at all of them? Question? Yeah,
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  I'm gonna ask you some questions about specific individuals on
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  this list, but again, these are a representative of what
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  a normal day in mister Epstein's life looked like and
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  what you were responsible for scheduling. Answer yeah. Question, I'm
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  gonna start on the first page. I'm gonna work through
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  a couple individuals on this list and ask you a
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  set of questions for each individual. I'm gonna start with
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  Tom Pritzker. What did you understand his relationship with Jeffrey
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  Epstein to be Answer? I think he knew Tom Pritzker
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  even before my time. They were friendly, but I don't know.
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  We didn't discuss it. Question was he a frequent visitor
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  of mister Epstein? Answer I wouldn't say frequent. I guess
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  when he was in town they'd get together. Question and
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  what was the purpose of those meetings? Answer I don't know.
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  Question were you ever present in any of these meetings?
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  Answer no. Question did you ever overhear parts of the
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  meetings or were you told about what was the say discussed? Answer? No,
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  My office was way in the front of the house.
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  His meetings all occurred in the dining room, which was
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  on the other side of the house. I was far away.
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  Question and did you ever engage with mister Pritzker directly
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  answer not that I recall. Question. I'm gonna move next
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  to Frederick Forkai. What did you understand his relationship with
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  mister Epstein a B answer I guess they were friendly,
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  I don't really know. Question and he was a frequent
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  visitor of mister Epstein. Answer I wouldn't say frequently, probably
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  whenever he was in town. Same sort of thing. Answer,
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  And do you know the purpose of their meetings? Answer
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  no question? Were you ever present in any of the meetings?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever overhear discussions from the meetings?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever interact or engage in
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  conversation with mister Fokai? Answer no, I don't think I
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  ever met him. Question did you ever see any unusual
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  or concerning activity taking place during his meeting with mister Epstein?
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  Answer no question. Next, I'm going to ask about Leon Black,
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  same set of questions. What did you understand his relationship
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  to be with mister Epstein? Answer I thought they had
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  business relationship. I thought he was one of Epstein's clients.
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  Question and was he a frequent visitor of mister Epstein? Answer?
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  Leon was probably more frequent. Yes. Question was there any
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  frequent basis with meetings with mister Epstein monthly weekly? Answer
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  not weekly, monthly probably? Question and what was the purpose
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  of their meetings? Answer I don't know. Question anything besides
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  business as you mentioned. Answer I don't know. I don't
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  know what they were meeting about. Question and were you
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  ever present in any of these meetings with mister Black?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever overhear discussions or were
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  you told about conversations from any of these meetings? Answer
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  no question. Did you ever speak or engage with mister
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  Black directly? Answer no question. Did you ever see any
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  unusual or concerning activity taking place during his meetings with
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  mister Epstein? Answer no question. Were any young women or
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  girls ever present for his meetings with mister Epstein? Answer?
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  Some traveling assistance may have been around the house and
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  brought in coffee, but I don't know. I didn't sit
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  in the meeting, so I don't know. Question Next, I'm
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  going to turn to Larry Summers. What did you understand
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  mister Summer's relationship with mister Epstein to be answer friendly
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  question and the same lines of questioning. Was he a
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  frequent visitor of mister Epstein. Answer I wouldn't say frequent.
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  Question do you know the purpose of his meetings with
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  mister Epstein? Answer I do not question. And were you
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  present for any of the meetings? Answer no question. Did
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  you overhear any conversations? Answer no question. And now I'm
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  going to ask about his name appears on page two,
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  but it's just daily. What did you understand his relationship
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  to be with mister Epstein? Answer I thought that was business.
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  Question do you know what kind of business? Answer? No, banking,
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  I don't know. Question was he a frequent visitor of
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  mister Epstein? Answer when mister Epstein would be in town,
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  they would probably get together. I wouldn't say every time
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  that mister Epstein was in town, but Jess would come by.
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  Question do you know the purpose of his meetings with
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  mister Epstein? Answer I do not. Question. Were you ever
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  present for any of the meetings between Epstein and Staley?
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  Answer no question. Did you ever overhear a conversation or
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  discussion about the meetings with Staley? Answer no question. Did
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  you ever speak with or engage with mister Staley directly?
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  Answer I might have been passing, said al to him,
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  but we didn't engage in conversation. Question did you ever
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  see any unusual or concerning activity take place during his
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  meetings with mister Epstein? Answer no? Question were young women
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  or girls present for the meetings? Answer no, I mean
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  I could be the same traveling assistance that brought in
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  a cup of coffee or something like that, but I
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  wasn't back there. Question and I think we're just gonna
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  go through another name to be name or so here
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  On page three. Back of page three, Bill Gates is listed,
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  What was your understanding of mister Gates' relationship with mister Epstein? Answer?
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  I didn't know what their relationship was, friendly is what
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  I assumed. Question was he a frequent I know this
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  is a meeting at a different location, but was he
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  a frequent visitor of mister Ebstein? Answer mister Epstein tended
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  to go and meet mister Gates. Question elsewhere? Answer elsewhere?
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  He was like the one person that mister Epstein tended
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  to go and meet, versus have him at his own
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  Question do you know why? Answer I don't. Question did
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  mister Gates ever come to New York residents for meetings? Answer?
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  I don't know. Question do you know the purpose? Of
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  their meetings? Answer no question. Were you ever present for
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  any of the meetings? Answer no question. Did you ever
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  overhear discussions about what went on in the meeting? Answer
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  no question. Did you ever engage with mister Gates directly?
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  Answer or no question. Do you know if young women
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  or girls whorever present in their meetings? Answer no question?
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  And one more here Ariander Rothschild answer uh huh. Question.
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  What was the nature of his relationship to mister Epstein? Answer?
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  I thought she was a client? Question her? Sorry? Was
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  she a frequent visitor of mister Epstein? Answer no question.
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  Do you know the purpose of their meetings? Answer no question.
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  Were you ever present? Answer no question? Did you ever
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  overhear conversation? Answer no question. Did you ever engage with her? Directly?
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  Answer no question and then sorry. One more name here,
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  Alan Dershowitz. What did you understand his relationship to be
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  with mister Epstein? Answer he was his attorney. Question was
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  he a frequent visitor of mister Epstein? Answer no question.
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  Do you know the purpose of their meetings? Answer no?
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  Did you overhear discussions? Answer no? Did you engage with
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  mister Dershowitz yourself? Answer no? Maybe in passing hello, But
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  that was it question, and then we've already covered Ms.
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  Rumler would be the last one I would like to
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  ask about, but we already covered the nature of their relationship,
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  So I just have one general question around her for scheduling.
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  Were young women or girls ever prohibited from being scheduled
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  on the same day or around the same time as
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  Miss Rumler would come to meet mister Epstein. Answer no, Brinnak,
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  did you ever believe that miss Ruemler had a romantic
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  relationship with mister Epstein? Miss Groff, No, mister Timmins asking
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  the question. So from two thousand and one to two
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  thousand and six you were responsible for Epstein's schedule, Is
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  that correct? Graff? Yes, Timmins, and you scheduled many massages?
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  Just approximately how many a day or a week? I
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  mean a couple times a week every day? Graff? I
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  would say, you know, possibly daily, but there were definitely
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  times when he would not have a massage Timmins, So
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  on average three or four times a week Graff, Well,
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  it would be when he was in New York, which
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  was typically three days Timmins. Okay, and you said earlier,
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  remind me how many during that period of time. How
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  many different massage therapists do you think we're scheduled? Ballpark
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  Graf different It's difficult for me to say. I don't know.
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  Timmins dozens Graf ten, Timmins cuts her off, hundreds GRAF
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  twenty fifteen. Timmins, Okay, I think you said thirty earlier,
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  but okay, Graff, okay, thirty Timmins, So just a dozen GRAF, yeah, Timmins,
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  a dozen or two dozen? And you never did you
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  ever interact with a massage therapist individually during the time period? Graff?
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  No question by Timmins. So he was arrested in two
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  thousand and six, when did you You said you never
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  scheduled a massage after he got out of jail in
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  twenty ten, after his arrest, before he went to jail,
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  did you ever schedule any massages during that time between
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  two thousand and six and two thous ten, Groff two
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  thousand and six, twenty ten, No, I mean, well, he
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  was Timmins cuts her off. He was in jail from
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  two thousand and eight, sort of Graff, right, So it's
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  possible between two thousand and six and two thousand and eight,
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  I don't recall question by Timmins. Okay, but you do
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  recall specifically that when he got out of jail there
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  were no more massages. Groff correct question. Okay, And are
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  you aware when did you read the non prosecution agreement?
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  When were you made aware of that? Answer? I believe
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  after he went to jail Timmins, okay. And what is
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  your current when he went to jail and got out,
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  What was your understanding of the reason that he went
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  to jail? Graff? The reason he went to jail was
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  procuring an underage prostitute or solicitation of a prostitute. Timmins, Okay,
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  did you know anything surrounding the incidents that they were
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  charging him with? Graff? No. Timmins, did you then or
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  do you now? Graf No, I don't know how it occurred,
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  is that what you mean? Tim? And sure. So, basically,
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  he had a number of different people that were procuring
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  underage women or of age women and scheduling massages and
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  then either soliciting them by paying them extra money or
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  physically sexually assaulting them and raping them. And someone finally
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  told somebody, and that's how he got arrested, and there
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  were issues with the case and so he pled guilty,
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  and here we are. So, I mean, I would imagine
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  that his lawyers included the people that were scheduling these massages.
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  Sarah Kellen was horrified that she was on there as well,
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  but she acknowledged that she scheduled massages as well, So
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  his attorneys probably included that. So what time of day
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  generally speaking, between two thousand and one and two thousand
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  and six were the massages scheduled generally? Were they in
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  the morning graff daytime question? Were they in the evening? Daytime?
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  Graff daytime? Timmin's Okay, I'm going to fast forward to
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  post twenty ten. It seems that from twenty ten really
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  to twenty twelve thirteen, he went on a sprint to
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  find a group of women that he would leverage to
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  put in his service. I'm going to refer to them
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  as the seven survivors. I don't really consider redacted to
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  be a survivor. I think she was elevated above what
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  she was originally brought in for. So these seven survivors
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  were brought into the US, they were all young, they
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  were all very attractive, and they are methods of control,
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  and they are tools of control. And whether you realize
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  that you were critical to the tools and the methods
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  of control is one question, but I mean, I guess
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  I just want to talk about them. So there's credit cards.
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  So Epstein in Dyke Well redacted would take out credit
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  cards in their names. They would create businesses in their names.
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  These seven women that were quote unquote assistants, and he
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  would then leverage their finances. He gave them a place
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  to stay, and you were aware that they all stayed
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  in the same house, with the exception of redacted. I
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  asked you earlier about the pin numbers, so it's my
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  understanding that you controlled the pin numbers for the doors
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  of their apartments, and to be very careful because they
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  did you have the ability to change. Did you ever
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  change did you control? Did you know the codes into
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  their apartments? Miss Grof? I never changed any codes, Timmins.
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  Did you know the codes of their apartments? Groff? I
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  did know the codes on the apartments, but I had
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  nothing to do with them. Timmins. Did you ever change
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  the codes? Groff? No, Timmins. Would you be surprised if
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  there's an email from you stating that you changed the code? Grof? Well,
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  maybe there was something wrong with the code. I don't know, Timmins. Okay,
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  so you could have changed the codes, Groff, Well, there
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  were very difficult machines. I don't know. I never went
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  in and changed them myself, Timmins. So you have the
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  tools of control and methods of control. Epstein would tell
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  the victims the survivors, that their PIN number would be
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  changed if they didn't do what he said. He did
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  not give them leases. They were at his benevolence, just
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  yet another one of his methods. The control, the tools,
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  the apartment, the ability to control whether they were able
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  to go into their apartment. And he did that through you.
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  But again you didn't know, so can pe uters and phones.
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  He gave them computers and their cell phones, and he
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  told them that they were being survelled and that they
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  could do whatever they wanted. But just know that he
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  was watching. So does that surprise you that he would
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  say that to them, Groth, I did not know that
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  that's what he was telling them. I had zero knowledge
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  of that. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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  right here and in the next episode we're gonna pick
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  up where we left off. All the information that goes
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