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The RFK Assassination Files Pt. 2: Who Is Crispin Curiel Gonzalez? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I hate that we bring this up every time.
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  Speaker 3: By we, I mean I do.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of appropriate because we're talking about something from
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  Speaker 2: that era that is true. We are once again talking
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  Speaker 2: about the RFK assassination files, my favorite thing on the
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  Speaker 2: internet right now. A whole goddamn slew of files related
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  Speaker 2: to the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy were released recently.
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  Speaker 2: I've been reading him arguably the only good thing Trump's
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  Speaker 2: done since taking office, and I feel like this is
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  Speaker 2: the point. It's so conspiracy types are talking about this
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  Speaker 2: shit and not Trump. Kim how familiar. Are you with
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  Speaker 2: the RFK assassination?
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  Speaker 3: None?
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  Speaker 2: Three, Like, not at all. Do you know who killed him?
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  Speaker 3: Not until today, who's allegedly killed him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Everything I know about him is I knew he died.
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  Speaker 4: I know he was assassinated. I knew he was a
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  Speaker 4: senator obviously, I knew he was a Kennedy. Everything I
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  Speaker 4: know about him and JFK's death is that they got
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  Speaker 4: too close and were too close to this, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the civil rights movement and caring about that stuff, And
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the theories I've always heard is that
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  Speaker 4: they were taken out because they were on MLK side.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I've ever really looked into it.
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  Speaker 4: And honestly, we weren't taught about RFK that much like
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  Speaker 4: JFK was a huge thing we learned, But RFK Colorado,
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  Speaker 4: they were like, not a senator.
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  Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, I mean. RFK is kind of most famous
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  Speaker 2: for getting shot because he was just he was a
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  Speaker 2: I mean not just a senator, but he was a
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  Speaker 2: senator when he got the Democratic nomination, and then he
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  Speaker 2: got shot immediately after getting the Democratic nomination for president. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: He gave the speech accepting the nomination, walked off stage
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  Speaker 2: and got shot in the kitchen of a hotel.
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  Speaker 4: Who ended up getting the Democratic nod after that. Sorry
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  Speaker 4: now I'm like thinking about it does not.
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  Speaker 2: Matter, I don't remember, but Nixon would have been.
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  Speaker 3: The president resident next yeah, yeah, wild.
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  Speaker 2: His assassination I think is way more interesting than JFK.
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  Speaker 2: For one, it just gets talked about way less. But
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  Speaker 2: it's also the one that is there's obviously way more
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  Speaker 2: to it than what anyone was told because of things
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  Speaker 2: like Sir Hans Sirhan's gun I think held eight bullets
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  Speaker 2: and there were twelve bullets found in the kitchen, so
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  Speaker 2: someone else was shooting. There is also a old timey
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  Speaker 2: history channel or A and E documentary that you can
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  Speaker 2: still find on YouTube, but in a scene in that,
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  Speaker 2: this cop is asking a witness about Sir Hans Sirhan
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  Speaker 2: and where he was shooting, and this witness is like, well,
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  Speaker 2: he was about the same distance you are from me,
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  Speaker 2: and he was just shooting straight at Kennedy. And this
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  Speaker 2: cop is trying to get this guy to say that
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  Speaker 2: he got closer to Robert Kennedy at some point, and
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  Speaker 2: he never does, and the reason that cop wanted him
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  Speaker 2: to say, sir Han, Sirhan got closer. The shot that
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  Speaker 2: killed Robert Kennedy was point blank range behind his ear.
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  Speaker 2: That is like known to history now that he was hit,
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  Speaker 2: and point blank means the gun is basically touching your head. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: no witnesses ever have Sir Hans Sirhan getting that close
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  Speaker 2: to Kennedy to shoot him behind the head. So who
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  Speaker 2: shot him? Who shot him? That is the question. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean Sir Hans Sir Haan is who history has blamed,
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  Speaker 2: but seems like there's a little more to it than that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On the first of these episodes, we talked about a
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  Speaker 2: witness who was at the scene named Sandy Serrano. She's
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  Speaker 2: a very interesting figure in the rfk assassination. She worked
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  Speaker 2: for the Kennedy campaign in some capacity, so she was
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  Speaker 2: there the night he got shot. And she had gone
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  Speaker 2: outside while he was giving his speech or like shortly
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  Speaker 2: after something like that, just to like or no he
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  Speaker 2: had I don't think he had given his speech yet.
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  Speaker 2: And she goes outside to get some air or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: smoke It was the same thing in the sixties, and
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  Speaker 2: she sees a woman in a polka dot dress accompanied
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  Speaker 2: by three men walk into this hotel where RFK was shot,
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  Speaker 2: and then about twenty minutes later, she hears what sound
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  Speaker 2: like gunshots, and then that woman comes running back out
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  Speaker 2: with two men now yelling we shot him, we shot him,
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  Speaker 2: and Sandy Serrano says, you shot who? And the woman
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  Speaker 2: says Senator Kennedy. If you listen to the episode, it's
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  Speaker 2: all in the files that were released. But the police
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  Speaker 2: eventually got Sandy Serrano to recant her story, and in
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  Speaker 2: these files there are police notes about them interviewing her,
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  Speaker 2: and you can tell they kind of coerce her into
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  Speaker 2: saying she didn't really hear or see what she saw,
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  Speaker 2: because by the end she's like, you're messing with me.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're lying to me. Like at one point
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  Speaker 2: they want her to reenact what she saw and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it if someone not related to this investigation
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  Speaker 2: is here. But you're just trying to get me to
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  Speaker 2: say I didn't see what I actually saw. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see m and eventually she does. Eventually she recan'ts And
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  Speaker 2: what's crazy is there was a hotel worker too who
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  Speaker 2: also reported seeing a woman in a polka dot dress
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  Speaker 2: next to Sir Hans Sirhan when he started shooting, and
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  Speaker 2: they eventually get that guy to recant too, And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: so two people who had no relationship to each other
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  Speaker 2: just independently came up with the same fucking lie and
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  Speaker 2: then recandidate later.
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  Speaker 4: And also a really specific one too, not like because
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  Speaker 4: they say, you know, eyewitness accounts it there's like a
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  Speaker 4: low percentage that.
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  Speaker 3: You can actually trust it because people you know.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's always like stories of different eyewitness accounts
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  Speaker 4: of like actually I saw this, I saw this, but
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  Speaker 4: two people who don't know each other and a polka
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  Speaker 4: dot dress and two men. That's very specific. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 4: why what's the cut? Like because who fucking killed him?
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  Speaker 4: Like who up top wanted RFK.
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  Speaker 3: To be dead? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I think you would be onto something with
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  Speaker 2: the civil rights than.
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  Speaker 4: Civil right That's I mean, That's what I've always read
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  Speaker 4: is just that those two really cared about Well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's just those two. I think like
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of an Okham's Razor situation, where why were
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  Speaker 2: all of these high ranking civil rights figures getting assassinated
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  Speaker 2: in the sixties. It's like civil.
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  Speaker 4: Rights, civil rights? They didn't Yeah, they were pushing for
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  Speaker 4: civil rights.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that. It's obviously that. And I think Robert F.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy was Was he the last? I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: think some of the Black Panther murders might have been
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  Speaker 2: after Robert F. Kennedy.
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  Speaker 3: But when was MLK assassinated? What year?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: No, was that the same years?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it was, It was a couple.
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  Speaker 2: It was sixty years, I believe.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was what year? What when? I think
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  Speaker 3: it was like weeks? I think when was?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, April fourth, sixty eight, so it was almost exactly
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  Speaker 2: one month before Robert F. Kemp or two months because
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy got killed June fifth, nineteen sixty eight. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was a couple months after MLK.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ and the.
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  Speaker 2: Thing about the girl in the polka dot dress, she's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come up again in this because I found something
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  Speaker 2: in this next batch of files we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that is really interesting when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: girl in the polka dot dress theory and how the
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  Speaker 2: police treated it. But before we get there, let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about Crispin Curio Gonzales. There is a file that I
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  Speaker 2: came across when I was first looking at these What's
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  Speaker 2: interesting about these files is you'll get into a batch.
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  Speaker 2: They're usually fifty pages each, and you get into a
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  Speaker 2: batch and it'll seem like it's just like letters from
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  Speaker 2: concerned citizens or just multiple copies of the same police report,
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  Speaker 2: and then there'll just be like one stray page in
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  Speaker 2: the middle that's like completely out of context, seems like
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  Speaker 2: it's not related to anything. And in this case, I
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  Speaker 2: found this file that was just about a kid named
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  Speaker 2: Crispin Curio Gonzales and it talks about how he was
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  Speaker 2: admitted to a psychiatric facility in Mexico and then hung himself.
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  Speaker 2: No other context, just that file. So I was like, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: who the fuck is this kid.
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  Speaker 3: And why is this in here? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Sandy Serrano, if you google her to this day,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of shit comes up in relation to RFK,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's because she managed to sit down
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  Speaker 2: for a TV interview, you like an hour after he
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  Speaker 2: was killed, so there was no unringing that bell, like
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  Speaker 2: her story was out, so they were never going to
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  Speaker 2: hide her from anyone. But this kid, if you google him,
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  Speaker 2: the only thing that comes up is like government files.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple like I clicked on one thing that
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  Speaker 2: looked like it was an academic paper, and I got
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  Speaker 2: like a virus warning, which Jesus, but I'm sure the
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  Speaker 2: virus is probably access to information.
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  Speaker 4: I googled him before I started reading on, just because
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  Speaker 4: I like to do that when I look at your notes, right,
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't write RFK. I just wrote his name.
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  Speaker 4: And the first thing that came up is that, oh,
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  Speaker 4: he's an artist and he does ceramics and.
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  Speaker 3: He blah blah blah, And I was like, that can't
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  Speaker 3: be right.
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  Speaker 4: So then I wrote his whole name and then RFK
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  Speaker 4: and it then I got like, still very little information,
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  Speaker 4: but there was still. It was all about the Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like a couple of articles that I and I think
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  Speaker 4: one of them you sent, Yeah, one of them you sent,
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  Speaker 4: the top one.
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  Speaker 2: Most of what comes up is the RFK files when
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  Speaker 2: you google it. So it seems like this name is
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  Speaker 2: not one that's been super duper tied to the RFK
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  Speaker 2: assassination up to this point. And that's really interesting because
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  Speaker 2: this kid was a big deal when it came to
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  Speaker 2: the RFK assassination for at least a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: after it happened. The filing question here, and I'll link
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  Speaker 2: to all of these in the show notes the filing question.
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  Speaker 2: It's dated July fifth, nineteen sixty eight, so it's right
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  Speaker 2: around a month after RFK was killed. And it's only
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  Speaker 2: one page. So I'm gonna read it all.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry about that, and I will be quiet during it.
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  Speaker 2: It starts, it just says Crispin Curio Gonzalez also known
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  Speaker 2: as Alejandro Zaldovasky Zamora, which that's super interesting for a minor.
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  Speaker 3: That's an odd Yeah, yeah, to have an alias.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go, and this is a little long,
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  Speaker 2: but you'll get it. On July first, nineteen sixty eight,
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  Speaker 2: nor Berto Salinas Novel, Federal District Attorney Juarez, Mexico, advised
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  Speaker 2: that Curiel had been found to be psychotic and on
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  Speaker 2: receipt of specific instructions from Mexico City, Curiol had been
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  Speaker 2: interned at the General Hospital for the Insane Warez Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Selenus noted he had made a recommendation that Curiel be
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  Speaker 2: sent to another institution more adequately equipped to handle juveniles,
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  Speaker 2: and he was advised that any decision in this regard
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  Speaker 2: would necessarily have to be made by the administrator of
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  Speaker 2: the hospital. This next part's really interesting. Selenas recalled that Curiel,
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  Speaker 2: on realizing what he had done by attracting so much
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  Speaker 2: attention to himself, openly admitted the entire story was a hoax,
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  Speaker 2: and he readily criticized newspaper reporters, administration officials, and police
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  Speaker 2: officers for being so gullible as to believe this fantastic story.
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  Speaker 2: On July fifth, nineteen sixty eight, Slenas advised that Curio,
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  Speaker 2: while in solitary confinement at the General Hospital for the Insane,
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  Speaker 2: had put together a rope from the mattress material located
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  Speaker 2: in his room, and he hung himself. He was discovered
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  Speaker 2: dead at approximately seven forty five pm on the evening
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  Speaker 2: of July fourth, nineteen sixty eight, by an attendant of
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  Speaker 2: the hospital. So that's weird, super weird, especially with it
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  Speaker 2: just being in the middle of an RFK assassination dump
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  Speaker 2: of files.
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  Speaker 4: Because there's no there's barely any mention like the story,
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  Speaker 4: I assume is the RFK story that he like, that's
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  Speaker 4: the fantastical story.
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  Speaker 3: That's like thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I found so interesting is they don't say
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  Speaker 2: what the story, yes, they just say, well, this kid
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  Speaker 2: told a fantastical story. And he apologized and he committed suicide.
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  Speaker 2: And again I found this all by itself. I was
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  Speaker 2: especially intrigued by that part about his story. And what's
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  Speaker 2: really grim about that previous file, aside from it being
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  Speaker 2: an account of juvenile suicide, obviously, is the date July fifth,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, so that's like a month after thirty days. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: RFK was killed. The next file that I'll link to
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  Speaker 2: in the show notes, and where this next bit of
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  Speaker 2: information comes from is between those two points. It's like
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  Speaker 2: almost halfway between June fifth and July fifth, and it
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  Speaker 2: has a ton of information about Crispin Curio Gonzales. So
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  Speaker 2: the FBI was interested enough to compile a ton of
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  Speaker 2: information on this kid. Before it gets there, though, there's
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  Speaker 2: this checklist that I thought was really interesting because it
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  Speaker 2: is a thing that is obviously meant to indicate why
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  Speaker 2: the government is spying on whatever person, not just this kid.
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  Speaker 2: And it has all these boxes that you can check
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  Speaker 2: as reasons why you might surveil a person, and they
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  Speaker 2: go from like really specific, like has attempted or threatened
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  Speaker 2: bodily harm to any government official, has attempted or threatened
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  Speaker 2: to redress a grievance against any public official by other
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  Speaker 2: than legal means. And then as they go on, they
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  Speaker 2: just get more and more vague and broad, to the
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  Speaker 2: point where it's like prior acts or conduct or statements
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  Speaker 2: indicating a propensity for violence or antipathy toward good order
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  Speaker 2: and government. So just say anything bad about the government,
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  Speaker 2: and they might look, we can just.
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  Speaker 4: Monitor you, all right. We have this checklist and it's
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  Speaker 4: very broad, so we can just monitor whoever we want.
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  Speaker 2: But we have a checklist, so and legal for Crisp
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  Speaker 2: and Curio Gonzales, his box is under the heading subversives,
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  Speaker 2: ultra rightists, racists, and fascists who meet one or more
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  Speaker 2: of the following criterion. It's like, since when do we
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  Speaker 2: hate racists and fascists?
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of what we whole thing was built on.
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  Speaker 2: And the box that's checked for him is evidence of
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  Speaker 2: emotional instability or irrational or suicidal behavior. So we had
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  Speaker 2: him clocked as being suicidal before he committed suicide. As
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  Speaker 2: a government.
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  Speaker 4: I also let me ask you a question, like, because
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  Speaker 4: he's not really in the files except for this random thing,
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  Speaker 4: Well he comes up again in the file this he's
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  Speaker 4: but I mean, like if this is the beginning, I
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  Speaker 4: mean at the beginning where it's like, oh, this just
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  Speaker 4: random article is in here. Yeah, it's I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: guess there's it's just really weird because it is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: lots of people fall under that category.
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  Speaker 3: Are they monitoring all of them?
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  Speaker 4: Or why are they monitoring this like random kid who's
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  Speaker 4: like in like a sixteen year old kid, Like why, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I know that's a point you're making, but it's super weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what, you know, got me going down
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  Speaker 2: the rabbit hole looking this kid up. And what's very
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  Speaker 2: convenient is if you goo google his name and RFK
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  Speaker 2: more files from this drop of RFK files comes up.
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  Speaker 2: So that was helpful. And this next one I found
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  Speaker 2: when I in that Google search. It starts in October
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven with him being arrested essentially for being
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  Speaker 2: homeless without parental supervision. And at that point, you like
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  Speaker 2: become a ward of the state. And he's arrested in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven, and I'm assuming the FBI's hearing this
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  Speaker 2: way after the fact, like now looking into this kid,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they had a file on him in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven, but he interacted with law enforcement in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven, he gets taken into custody. He tells
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  Speaker 2: the cops he's from Bolivia and that he left there
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  Speaker 2: three weeks ago, but then later tells him he's from Koleema, Mexico.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: He said his parents left Mexico for La and left
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: him behind, so he stole eight hundred pesos to make
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: his own way to Los Angeles. And I feel like
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I should point out when I call this guy a kid,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: because he is essentially a kid. I mean, he's sixteen,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: And that was different in nineteen sixty seven. By sixteen,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: you were thinking about getting married and having kids.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if you didn't have a sweetheart to have
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: a baby with in a few years, you were.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: A trouble maker.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you were behind in a trouble maker. Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were probably lining up the factory job you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: were going to have for life that would be enough
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to buy you a house. Very different time.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Such a And it's funny because you see pictures of
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: kids back then, they look like they're thirty, like kids
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: now look like they're children. And now kids back then
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: it's like, why is that mom and dad going to
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: that high school prom?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Like why, Yeah, they were like adults.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Because mom and dad's life expectancy was fifty five back then.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they only had a couple more years. They had
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: like two decades left.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: They got a your good years were over by twenty
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: five back then. But in fairness, just because everyone smoked
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: so and like a lot, I think I do think
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: it's a combination of smoking and people being outside more
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: back in the day is what makes people look older
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: back then.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because nobody really wore sunscreen either, because that
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: wasn't really like a pushed.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like if you're going to swimming, yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: then you put on if you're going to the beach,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: But if you're just out in regular work, Son, that's different.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: That's not ocean Son, that doesn't give me cancer.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Science said, I wonder what we're doing now that in
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: thirty years they're going to be like these fuckers were vaping.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Probably, Oh yeah, definitely vaping.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I don't vape, so I don't I've always forget about,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: but definitely vaping.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Yeah. So anyway, from here, he has declared
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a ward of the state and bounces around a couple
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: mk ultrasounding boys homes in La One is called Boy's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Oasis and the other is called the goddamn Manhattan Project Residents.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Like I'm joking when I say mk ultra sounding, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: this is nineteen sixty seven, sixty eight. That is the
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: heart of mk ultrashit in California. That's when we were
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: fucking handing out acid in San Francisco. Cia was running
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: brothels as part of mk ultra. Like a lot of
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: shit that was very weird was happening in LA at
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: this time. So the fact that he ended up in
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: a place called the Manhattan Project Residents, I don't know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: it seems weird to me, especially for an assassination where
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: so much of it the theories are centered around that
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: exact thing, mk ultra type mind control shit. We host
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: a documentary podcast. We can't cover it because I covered
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: it on this pod, but you should watch a documentary
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: called Darren Brown The Assassin. Darren Brown does these like
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: psychological experiments where he tries to get people to do stuff.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And one of the theories about sir Han Sirhan is
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that he was essentially hypnotized by whoever these people that
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: he was seen with in the days before the assassination.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: He was essentially hypnotized to shoot Bobby Kennedy once he
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: got a certain signal. Darren Brown attempted to recreate that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: He got access to a guy enough that he could
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: like do all the things they suggest might have been
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: done to program someone to commit an assassination, and it worked.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He got this guy to stand up and fire blank
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: rounds at a TV host during a fucking TV show.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, what were the things that worked well that?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't remember all that. It's that's wild,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: like a very long TV show.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: But Jesus, and our brain is so malleable, Like that's
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: just like it's like scary how malleable our brains are.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And that's all what mk ultra was a big aspective
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: mk ultra and the scary part about this the doctor
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: who invented it. His name is doctor Ewen Cameron. He
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: later became the first president of the American Psychiatric Association,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric Association. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he was probably the biggest mk ultra doctor. And one
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of his biggest achievements, I guess was called psychic driving.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: And all he would do is put someone in a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: drug induced coma and just play tape loops of like
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: suggestions to see if he could plant suggestions in people's
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: heads and get them to do shit. And we pumped
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: money into this for like decades, so something was coming
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: from it. I mean, I get, I know, the government
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: waste money, blah blah blah. It's a different time for
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: one thing. And also we pump all this money into
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: these mind control type experiments. And then what happens next.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: All of these high level civil rights leaders leaders get
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: killed in very weird mk ultra fashion.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: In very weird conspiracy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: The person who went to prison or shot for it
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: afterwards like definitely did not do this or did but
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: had a full thousands of stories behind it as to
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: why that makes zero sense? Jesus, we could have just
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: lived our lives like the beginning of human history. We
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: all could just be like swimming in the ocean and
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: eating fruit, you know what I mean?
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Like what like? Who is like I would like to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: be a part of the project that Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Just the more you talk about this mk ultra stuff,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: the more I'm afraid of it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Want to learn more about it, and it's afraid of it?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Pretty wild? I think Jonestown was the culmination of MK Ultra,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: but that's a whole other ten episodes I've already done.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So I haven't found a lot of stuff about Boys
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Oasis or the Manhattan Project Residence. But I'm gonna look
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: into that shit more because I'm in interested to see
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: what kind of names are attached to that and if
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: there's any government leanings to them. The Manhattan Project Residence,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they give the fucking address in these files, and I'm
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: not going to share it here because it's just a
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: house now, Like it's just it's on van Ness Avenue
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: in La. It's just a fucking residential buy it. I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: mean I can drive by it on Google Maps, all right.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I just thought it'd be a fut field trip.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think it would be that fun La traffic.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Whoo, you're right, and then we'd get to the house
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: and then we'd be like, oh yeah yeah. I also,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: by the way, googled both of these places, Boys Oasis
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: and Manhattan Project Residence. There's not like I I know
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of you do like a deep deep dive, you would
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: find something, but I just like a yeah, yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I'll find stuff, so good, Crispin. He ends up running
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: away from the Manhattan Project residence, which who wouldn't understand,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and he just kind of goes missing from May twenty first,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, until June seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight, so
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a couple weeks after the assassination. He shows back up
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in the form of a phone call to a probation
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: officer and he was in El Paso at the time
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and wanted to know what would happen if he returned
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to La and he was told he'd probably be arrested
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: because there was a warrant out for his arrest on
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: account of him being a runaway. And he then tells
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: this probation officer that he is involved in international narcotics
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: smuggling between El Paso and Mexico and that he's going
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to be in La within six hours. And this guy
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: never hears from him again. But also this same probation
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: officer describes Gonzalez as having been suicidal in the past,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: said he attempted it twice at the Manhattan Project residence
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and that he's immature and will do anything to get attention.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And I saw that and I was like anything, huh,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Like team up with a couple of strangers to shoot
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a presidential candidate.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe, well, I mean also that makes sense, not that,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: but I mean like in terms of like a kid's psyche,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: like ye, his parents just sort of abandoned him, and like.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go to America. Is he around?
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Kid?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like of course he's seeking.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: He's very you know, easily impressiable, but like, yeah, a
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: lot of kids do things for attention.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: They don't team up with a.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Bunch of assassins and yeah, kill a future president. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: also what's interesting too, because when you google this kid,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: going back to your point of sixteen is a very
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: different If you look at images of this kid, he's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: a man, he.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Is, yes, he's sure sixteen.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like a full blown thirty year old.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Like I like looked at a lot of pictures and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: was like huh, And that comes up because they're in
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: this file. There's an interview with a family friend of Gonzales,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and he one describes him as a brilliant young man
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: but unstable. He said, he speaks fair English, and he
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: appears older than his actual age like you just said.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And then it gets really fucking interesting. The same family
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: friend says Gonzalez told him that at one point he
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: joined a Nazi group in Mexico against his parents' wishes,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: fortunately so not a whole Nazi family, and that he
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was in quote a leadership capacity and spoke before audiences
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: of from two hundred to three hundred people regarding the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: subject of Nazism.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: What's confusing to me about that is just a few
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: pages ago we read that. They're like, he's very young
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: and immature for his age. That sounds like a full
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: blown adult. That's a full blown thirty year old. But
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: he's sixteen, like speaks well English, is able to speak
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: in front of hundreds of people, is articulate enough to
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: like convince others of Nazism, you know what I mean,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Not that you know what I mean by that, but.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, this family friend, they straight up ask him, well,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: do you believe him? Like do you believe what this
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: kid was saying? And he was like, oh yeah, oh yeah,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: he is capable of moving a crowd talking about some
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Nazi shit, and he said especially in Mexico, which I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: get the impression this kid was like a kid by
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the strictest letter of the law, and otherwise was pretty
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: fucking adult. Even though they describe him as having like
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: see that's the thing too. At one point, he's me
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: he's described as having like the intellect of a thirteen
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: year old. But then this family friend is like, no,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that kid was fucking brilliant.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: You kid in me, Yeah, which also goes to show
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: his psychopathy is not the right word, Like sociopathists not
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: a real word, but you know what I mean, being
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: able to like chamellion and move in and out of
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: different groups and be able to be what like, I'm
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: being interviewed by this you know, psychiatrist.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I need them to think I'm dumb.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Like that's like a very like mimic what they very
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: sociopath kind of thing, mimic what I need to be
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: in this moment in order to get out of you
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: what I need. Yeah, so likely it's all just a
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: sociopath nys, we just made.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Up sociopathy something like that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Socio Yeah, sure, I like it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: What are we doctors? No?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: We are No.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So he also tells this same family friend that he
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: eventually got disillusioned with Nazism and decided he liked communism
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: better and intended to run away from home and write
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a book about it. He also talked about opposition to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: American intervention in Vietnam and Cuba. It's like, oh, man,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: kids say the darnedest things.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Also sounds like a really unintelligent thirteen year old. It
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: sounds like like what and when I read that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Sentence, read it again, where is it?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Disillusioned with Nazism and decided he liked Communism better. I
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: was playing dolls at sixteen, man, Yeah, yeah, secretly in
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: my you know, so no.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: One knew that's the thing. He is described as a kid,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: but this kid seems grown.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It's scary, like yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And so that first file about the suicide, if you recall,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: has a very interesting paragraph about Crispin apologizing for having
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: made up such a fantastical tale and ye admonishing the
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: media for believing it. And what isn't mentioned in that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: file or the longer file I link to either is
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: what his story was. And for that we got to
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: go off government to the site of a researcher named
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Mary Ferrell who has preserved a whole trove of LAPD
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: microfilm files related to the rfk assassination. And in those files,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: she has Crispin's story for starters. When he was arrested.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: He had a diary in his possession and it included
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: entries about a plot to kill Kennedy. And again interesting
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: note it was diary entries and writings found at Sir
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: hans residence that provided the motive for killing Kennedy. So
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: again with that multiple possible shooters theory, what are the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: chances this kid was gonna be one of those shooters?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: And also the girl in the polka dot dress gets
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: described all the time, and the dudes don't. The dudes,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, they were like Mexican or Middle
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Eastern or something.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: That's all we know so much to ump back there
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: just with our like America and like I don't row
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: some brown guys.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But the woman witnesses like you know, middle Eastern, Mexican,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Mediterranean something not white. Yeah. One guy's like she had
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of arm hair. I think she was Mediterranean.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Jesus crowds, but you're right, it's like it's three nondescript men.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah and who yeah the woman. Yeah, Okay, keep going.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And this kid also having writings in his possession that
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: indicated a plot to kill Kennedy, just like Sir Hans,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Sir Hanan did I have a question?
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to kill the possible future president of
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: the United.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: States say it. I know exactly what you're gonna say.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: But like, pre Internet, how the fuck do you find
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: these people?
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Is this what you think I'm gonna say?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I thought you were gonna say, why would
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you keep a diary about it?
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: That I felt like that goes without saying, like, yeah,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I'm I have people all over my life that when
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I die, they are going to take a big trunk
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: of my journals and just dump it somewhere or like
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: light it on fire. And I don't have anything except
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: for just the rantings of a crazy person, like nothing.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: But like, how do you find multiple people that have
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: are keeping a journal about like like that want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: kill this man so bad? Like at a kkk rally,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: But those the guys that you found are not white,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, how.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Well I think it probably is at like, it's not
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: gonna be at kkk rallies. It's gonna be it like
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: in the case Kennedy, it's Israel is what they say
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: got him killed. So all you gotta do if you're
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a shadowy intelligence agency looking to recruit someone that you
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: can fucking brainwash into killing Kennedy, You're gonna probably start
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: with someone who's already leaning that way anyway.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Who's anti Israel or pro Israel.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kennedy was pro Israel. And that is what the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: police have or what history has said, was Sir Hans
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: sir Haan's motive was Kennedy's support for Israel. That's why
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans sir Han killed him.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: And he was from Paliesin in Jordan, right, He's Jordan Palasinian.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans sir Haan was Jordanian.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, Jordadian okay, Jordan, Jordaanian Okay, Jordan.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And the diary that Crispin Gonzales had on him also
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: said he knew Sir Hans Sirhan and had met him
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: at a library in la a few days before the shooting.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: But then that article ends with reporting a about his suicide,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: which the article kind of implies was motivated by the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: fact that no one believed his claims about the rfk assassination, which, Okay,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. I don't think this kid killed himself.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: No, definitely, I mean think about it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: You're like, I'm going to kill the future president of
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the United States. I'm going to recruit a bunch of
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: people who are a little off their rocker. They're already
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: against this guy because he's pro Israel. They're super malleable
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: because they are a little off their rocker. And I'm
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: going to get a bunch of them in the room
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: that way, no matter what way RFK goes, we shoot
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: him right yeah, and then afterwards the guy who pops
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: him or gets caught, goes to prison or gets killed.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: He's he died at eighty one.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And is that correct, Sir Hans, Sir Han Or.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Is he still alive and he's eighty one?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Now I think he's still alive because he almost got
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: out recently.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's wild. But think about that. So
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: he yeah, he's eighty one.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's eighty one. I think he should be out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: He should be out. But so he's eighty one. But
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: so he he goes to prison for this murder. But
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: you have nine other however, many other people that you
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: had loose strings. You have to take them out, and
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you can't take them out in a way that's like
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: pop pop pop. You got to take them out in
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: a way that's.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Like one died by suicide, one died in a car accident,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: you know what, Like it has to look like it
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: can't be like mass Yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: And so this kid who just was obviously unstable but
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: definitely a sociopath, I think just because of all the
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Nazism and able to move people and changes.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he doesn't. He doesn't sound like a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: well adjusted little tyke, that's for sure, little tyke. He's
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: got he's got some issues under his belt.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think he killed himself either. You
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: think Saran Saran should be let out of prison.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, why not?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like I do honestly think if I think there was
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: some degree of hypnosis and mind control that went into this.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And I don't think Sir Hans Sir Han is the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: person who shot Kennedy. He wasn't. He didn't have access
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to Kennedy that way. The theory that has been out
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: there for a long time is that one of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: cops who was escorting Kennedy through the kitchen is also
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the one who shot him. Because he's a super duper
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: right winger and when you dig into these files, the
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: outfit that is the most aggressive in trying to get
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: people to like say they didn't see what they saw,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the one where people go visit them and then start
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: getting weird phone calls later. It's the LAPD. It's not
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the FBI, it's the fucking LAPD.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: So you think the guy who was at Scort, you
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: think a cop shot Kennedy.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of people think a cop shot Kennedy. It's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: not my personal theory, it's a theory that's been out
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: there for a long long time. Someone who was standing
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: close to Robert F. Kennedy shot Robert F. Kennedy.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: And the only way you'd be able to be that close,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: like point blank range, you can't be some random like man,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: your cop, your bodyguard.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Holy, it would have to be someone with
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: very easy access to Kennedy.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Do you have the cops name that you think that
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: everyone thinks, tod It's.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Out there somewhere. I don't, Okay, have it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: But I have to be really careful with these things
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: because the next thing, I know, three days will pass
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: and I will I will, I will have learned a
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: lot of things that I and I will believe that
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Paul McCartney died in nineteen You know, like so like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I have to be careful with these things because I'm like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: we gonna find out who this cop is. This cops
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: still alive?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean that's the thing, that kind of
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: stuff people have talked about for decades and decades since
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: this happened. Like that's all like common RFK assassination theory. Shit,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that's what makes this kid so interesting. He does not
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: come up in RFK assassination talk at all that I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: can see. Like, normally you'd have, like just google Sandy
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Serrano RFK, you're gonna get Oh, I did a ton
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of shit related to her. Yeah, pages and pages and
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: pages of results. You google CRISP and Curio Gonzales get
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: government files.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: But you're right, because she was able to just pop
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: on an interview somehow an hour after the assassination. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: so there's just no way to like backtrack that. Yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: even back then when it wasn't like a viral moment,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: but it was in terms of national like world news, right,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: this guy being assassinated.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Oh sure? And so yeah, there are all these reports
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of Sir Hans Sirhan being seen in the company of
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: two men and a woman a bunch in the days
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: leading up to the assassination, and the description of the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: woman is pretty similar to Sandy Serrano's description of the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: girl in the polka dott dress. And that's again my question,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: who are the dudes. Everyone focuses on the girl in
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the polka dot dress. Who are those two dudes? Yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: they are also again often described as looking Mediterranean, Mexican,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Middle Eastern, a brown person.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: And Taran. Taran wasn't one of the du dudes.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans Sirhan. He was one of the dudes, third dude.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: The other two dudes, we don't. History has forgotten.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Them, Sandy Serrano says, the girl in the polka dot
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: dress went in with three dudes, came running back out
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: with two. The one who went in and didn't come
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: back out she identified as Sir Hans Sirhan.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Sir Han Sarhan.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And so either she's lying or Sir Hans Sirhan was
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: in fact with two dudes and a woman that night
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: at the hotel. And the most famous incident from before
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: then involves a gun range where he was seen in
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the company of this woman and at least one of
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: these dudes. But in this file, if you it's the
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: same file that has the rite up about him being
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: a runaway and the Manhattan Project residence and all that.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: If you go down to page twenty, there is another
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: report about a minister from Santa Anna, California named Jerry Owen,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and he told the FBI he met sir Han Sirhan
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: a few days before the shooting. How did they meet?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Sir Han was trying to buy a horse.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Of course, I read house in the notes, and then
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, he missed he wrote horse instead
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: the house. And then I went back up and I
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, he's buying a horse.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was wanting to buy a horse to use
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it a racetrack. And this minister says Sir Hans Sirhan
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: was accompanied by two men and a woman during that transaction.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And so after the shooting happens, he sees these news
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: reports and recognizes sir Han Sirhan as the guy who
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: was trying to buy the horse. So he immediately goes
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to the LAPD and they interview him right there on
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the spot. Later that night, he gets an anonymous phone
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: call telling him to keep his mouth shut about what
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: he saw if he knows what's good for him and
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: his family. So with that, he flees to the Bay
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Area and tells the FBI what happened. And so again
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: this is a guy one I didn't even put this
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: part in the notes. He goes to the LAPD, tells
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: them what he saw before the RFK assassination. Weirdly gets
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: an anonymous phone call out of the blue saying, shut
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: up about what you know? Like right there, how does
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the caller know what this guy knows? Like, who's going
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to be the leak? There?
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Someone in the LAPD. Yeah, But my question is why
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: does that matter? Like I guess like someone who's about
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: to assassinate a future president definitely isn't going to have
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: long term plans about buying a horse and racing them, like.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: You know how they're like, oh, well he had all.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: The Like, No, I think it's the in the company
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: of two men and a one.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, the witness of the people that he was with.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, but that also is still so like it's
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: imp it's portant, it's hard.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's important, I get that, but it's like, what
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: a weird thing to threaten. I guess it's a loose end.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Well, no, because the the LAPD goes really hard in
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the paint trying to convince us that the girl in
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the polka dot dress is a hoax.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And then they're like, sirn Suran, sir Han,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Sir Han, Yes, acted all alone, so there's no conspiracy,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: there's no nothing. He acted alone. We arrested him. It's good,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: we're all home for dinner. Like it doesn't matter. Stop
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: spreading these like yeah, okay, and.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: This guy a minister, so people are going to see
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: that part and be like, okay, well he's not lying.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: We got that, and times are so different now.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And now this guy's coming forward and being like no,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I saw him with a woman and two men and
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: they were acquaintances. They were like hanging out Like that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: blows up the idea that there were no other accomplices.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: So I mean, if there was a conspiracy, someone would
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: want that part to not get out, and someone clearly
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: has wanted that part to not get out because the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: official explanation has always been that Sir Hans sir On
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: acted alone, which Jesus, I feel like you didn't. And
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: then it gets even more interesting in these files because
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: once again you google Crispin Curiel Gonzales, there's actually two
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: files from this release of JFK stuff that come up.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: The second one for pages and pages and pages, it's
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: just a roster of members of a group called Young
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Professionals for Kennedy, and each name is crossed out. I
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: get the impression this was they were interviewing each person
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in this group and crossing the names off as they
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: interviewed them. Which makes the stuff that starts at page
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: thirty seven super interesting because it starts with a highly
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: dismissive memo about how because the girl in the polka
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: dot dress has been determined to be a hoax, the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: FBI had no intention of tracking down and interviewing Carol Frandon.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: So I was like, well, who the fuck is that?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Out of nowhere? Yeah, did you look up any of
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: these names on the list? It's long? Did you just
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: out of curiosity be like who is the well?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Because it like it makes sense why they would interview
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: all those people. They're members of a group that was
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: working for the Kennedy campaign.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm just curious where they would be.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I mean probably mostly dead, But also googling all those
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: names would take such a long time. That is true, Yes,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Carol Frandin, though I did google her and not a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: lot comes up either, but it is revealed in these
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: files that Carol Frandon was a young woman who visited
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a VA hospital for treatment because she was too nervous
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to work or function, and the doctor who treated her
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: had seen all these reports about a girl in the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: polka dot dress and just had a sinking feeling that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: she was the girl in the polka dot dress, and
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: so he reports hurts this to the police and to
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: presumably the FBI. He reports it ten days after the shooting,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: but already by that point the government had decided, no,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: that's that's a hoax, that's a conspiracy theory. We're not
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: gonna like it, literally says we're not going to find
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Carol Frandon. We're not going to interview her. That's a hoax.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Ten days, it's like you interviewed every young professional for Kennedy.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: You can't track down the one woman that this doctor
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: is like, hey, I think this is I think that's
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the girl.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: And also ten days, it's not like like ten years
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: later and it's like, yeah, we already shut and closed that.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: It's ten days. It's like, no, you should still be
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: looking into this.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And it's even crazier when you take into
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: account that that's also about the span of time it
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: took for Crispin Curio Gonzales to get found and.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Then and die by suicide.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, die by suicide. It's like a little bit longer.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: But that all happened right in very close proximity to
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Robert F.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Kennedy being showed a week to four week period. Yeah,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: everybody sort of involved is a couple.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Of weeks to them are killed.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I really do have my suspicions that Crisp
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and Curio Gonzales might have been one of those men
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: who was seen with sir Han sir Han and another
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: guy and a woman in the days leading up to this,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and maybe there's more about him in these files and
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: that will be confirmed at some point, but it seems
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: like no, it seems like the official government explanation is
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: now he was just a crazy kid who told crazy
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: stories and then he.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Was unstable and died by suicide.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Unstable, weirdly political for a sixteen year.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Old, but also a child not very smart, but brilliant,
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: but was able to move crowds of two hundred Yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Well, thirteen year old brain capacity moron who could really
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: move a crowd of hundreds talking Nazi stuff. It's like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: who the fuck was this kid?
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: And also so if it was him, sir Han, sir Han, Carol,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: who was the third guy?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Right, who's the third guy? I wonder if he's gonna
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: come up because there are there's other names in this
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: that just pop up out of nowhere that I have
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: not looked into fully yet. Crispin Curio Gonzales just kind
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: of turned up the most stuff right away, but there
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: is there are so many weird moments.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: In the Carol Franden is nowhere.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Carol Franden does not exist in this conspiracy theory
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: at all outside of these files. Like nothing the doctor
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: obviously could be wrong. It's just so strange to me
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: that in the midst of what at the time even
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: they were calling like the most comprehensive investigation into a
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: political assassination ever, you skip that one woman. You're just like, nah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that girl was lying, that said she saw her. Oh,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: also that guy was.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Lying, and that other guy, that other person.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: And the other guy also who But also like, what did
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Carol Frandon say to this doctor, because it's like you're
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: a doctor, you know. RFK has been assassinated, you know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: all this stuff around it, and then some woman comes
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: to you and it's too nervous to work and has
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: all these things, and then you're like, oh, it's probably
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: the woman in the poganadra like something had to have
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: led him to that conclusion in order because like you're not,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: like I have a sinking feeling this woman has something
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: to do with the assassination that I don't really have
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: anything to do with. But like, just like the guy
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: the minister who was like, yeah, that's weird, I actually
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: was gonna sell that guy a horse. Yeah, And all
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: of this is theorized, like all those assassinations at that
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: time is because certain groups of people just didn't want
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: to have equal rights, didn't want this civil rights movement.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you ever just want to scream into a pillow?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah all the time. That's that's twenty twenty five,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: are you?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I did once?
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: I did scream into a pillow, not once, but like
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: the last time I did.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: And then my neighbor text me and said.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Everything, Okay, in there, I heard a really loud noise
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, so it doesn't muffle the noise.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's probably not that much.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: So I stopped screaming in a pillow. Now I just
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: do it in my car.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: That's good. See, I would normally just do the true
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: crime time check in a situation like that. Whenever I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: hear like something that sounds like distress, I look at
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the clock, just in case investigators show up, and I
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: can be like, yes, twelve forty two, I heard some
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: shit beat it pig.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: A cab, motherfucker.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: So let me know if I can help. That was
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a huge tragedy.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I care about them, but also the police.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: But you know if I cant.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: You guys only show up after crimes happen. You don't
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: really do anything preventative. Nobody thinks. Everybody thinks you're kind
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: of racist and worthless.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: But okay, please keep your body cam on while I'm
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: talking to you. Thank you.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing on.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's our episode. I am really interested
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: to see if anything else about either of these two
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: comes up in more of these files, because I'm it's
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of pages. It's like ten thousand pages.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. So that's okay.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: So that's what you're doing is you're just going little
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: by little and then as soon as you find something interesting,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: then you're like, okay, this is part three, part two.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm just kind of like anything that pops up,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and shit has been popping up. This Crisp and Gonzales
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: thing is nuts, Like I really need to know more
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: about fat Kid. And the thing is we're never going
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: to we are never going to know anything about any
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: of this shit.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Because everybody that knew this kid personally is likely dead.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah hearns and all that stuff. He's dead.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: He's dead. He died very quick, very quick after this,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: which God, that's convenient.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: That goes to show you.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: If anybody ever you and says, hey, I hear you
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: really hate so and so you want to join a
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: thing and help us kill him, You're like, nah, because
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: once it is done, you'll clean up the mess.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm one of the messes. So if you're going
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: to kill someone, act alone. Is really my advice.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Well, my advice is, if you're doing anything counter to
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: what the government would want you to do, just be
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: suspicious of new people that show up anyone, because you're
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: not going to see it. They're not going to send
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: a motherfucker in a secret service suit wearing black sunglasses.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: It's going to be someone who looks like they are
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: from your peer group.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a new neighbor out of nowhere
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: that strikes up a conversation about your lilies.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: The absolutely most underrated story I think of the last
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: ten twenty years. It was reported by one outlet, Newsweek.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: The Department of Defense over the past like fifteen years,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: has been building a network of domestic spies in the
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: United States. There are more of them than there are
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: undercover CIA agents. There's like sixty thousand in the United States,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and their whole thing is to put on fake identities
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and just infiltrate groups. I guarantee you there's probably a
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: few in La comedy. There's some doing podcasts like anything
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: you're doing that the government might want to spy on.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Some motherfucker from the government is there with you. I
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: promise none of this shit is too small for the
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: government to spy on. This is the UK, so it's different,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: but I mean not that different. But the Metropolitan Police Department,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: which is like the NYPD of London, they had a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: big scandal because they were sending undercover agents out to
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: like environmental groups and shit and in some cases these
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: dudes were like starting families with the people they were
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: spying on, like having kids and just the whole time
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: pretending to be a whole other person. One dude was
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: marry with kids and started a family with the girl
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: he was spying on. Also, like the government's willing to
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: do it whatever you think why the government's willing to
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: do so?
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: It's wild because we made all this up, you know
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like we made up countries, we made
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: up like it's all made up, and we're just like, well.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Now the government, like it's so dumb but scary, you
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, We're just like what, just let
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: people live their lives. Who cares?
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Like no one is doing any We're all just doing
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: our bad but like but also so scary. Y Jesus,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: this is why I think I'm just good. You know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not really doing anything that would probably get a
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: government agent to infiltrate my life.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: But like maybe I'm talking about this shit, do you
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Like I say all the time about this podcast, in particular,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? I'm gonna I'm gonna bring
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the government to justice because I found an interesting name
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: in this file. No, no, this isn't going to move
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: the need at all. This might as well, and I've
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: said this before too, this might as well be a
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: true crime podcast where the criminal is just the government
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: every time, Like that's all this is. We are celebrating
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the work of master criminals on this podcast. Is that, Yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: essentially what we're doing. And I think this could be
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: another example, because there was something fucking going on with this.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Kid, and what's wild is just that he was just
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: thrown in there out of nowhere, Like.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: You're like reading the thing, reading the thing.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Whoa, what's this page about a random kid who told
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: a made up story and then died by suicide in
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: his asylum cell.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's how these files are. There's so many
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: points where everything is one thing and then there's just
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: weird shit out of nowhere. The one that has blown
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: my mind the most in terms of what the fuck
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: are you doing here? And just because of his kid
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: and all of his weird shit. In the middle of
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: one of these files, there's just a memo about a
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: tetanus vaccine program within the government. This is one page
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: about tetanus vaccine. You can come get the tetanus vaccine
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: here and then nothing else about it. Why the fuck
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: is that there? That's what I wanted.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Actually, since everything we know about Junior.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what the fuck is that? So stay tuned.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm gonna be doing these episodes the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: rest of the year, like I'll mix it up and
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: do other shit. We have a bonus episode coming up
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: this week about a documentary about the Manhattan alien abduction,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: which that woman was fucking lying, but so stay tuned
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: for that. But yeah, I think that's our episode. We
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: did it. We saw the RFK assassination. It was this
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: kid and Carol Frandon. Actually, I am not saying that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want What if the real Carol Frandon is
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a fan. What if she's a fandin.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, and she's sitting here like on her
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: way to her job because she's in witness protection now,
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: so she's on our way to like fake job.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: She's probably retired because she's probably very old.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she's like uh, oh oh no, did
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: they just and she's like shut it down and then.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Everyone comes.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Sorry Carol if that's you, but also hit us up
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: in the comments and thanks for listening.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe send us a photo. I'm curious what you
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: look like. I have a picture of you in my head.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and here's the thing, accurate, you were pretty
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: shapely in the sixties, Carol. I actually heard her described
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: that way in one of these files.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Shapely Is that really shapely? Heavy?
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I actually think it was booped doctor. No, he was
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: saying shapely and like.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: A big girl.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, like a sexy, like a volumptuous Jesus doc.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sheeply.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Also real quick sidebar Sir Hans Sir Han five five.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was a short king, that's for sure.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: That's that's a yeah, he was a little guy.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: I feel like that would have something like the ballistics
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: two alone, because how tall the Kennedy's were, you know, historically.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: And what a terrible shot.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like that would be the trajectory of the shot
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: would be up and in.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Kennedy was hit one time, I believe, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: there were so many shots fired, I don't know.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: And the shot that hit him was point blank.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: The shot that killed him was point blank behind his ear.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the cop, but everybody else is probably
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: just told to shoot.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Well, because I was shooting. He emptied his hot gun
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: and he had only st.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there were twelve casings.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: No one else has admitted to shooting what the fuck? Yeah? Yeah,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and there are like visible bullet holes in that kitchen
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and people have counted him and there's like twelve There's
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: also an audio recording where it sounds like there's more
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: than eight shots fired.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Why would Trump decide to release this?
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Like what was the you know, I don't know, Like
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: most of the stuff he does is either senile or
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: it'll make him and his family or people around him
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: more money, Like you can usually like try what he's doing,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: or it'll save his ass.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: With the Epstein stuff, you know what I mean?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Like I do think to some degree it's a distraction
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: because this, oh yeah, like these are two of the
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: biggest assassinations of all time. So I don't know, I
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm good at research, and so people like
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: me who feel like we're good at research are gonna
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: fucking dive into this shit and again like not really
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: pay attention to what Trump's doing. And yeah, sure I'm
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: falling for it, But I host a bunch of podcasts
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I can talk about Trump elsewhere.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the big airplane, I think we talked
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: about this the guitar airplane jet what about it? I
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: think that was a massive distraction too from all the
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: other stuff, Like, look, how fucked up this is? This
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: is like yeah, yeah, it's coming out that that wasn't
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: a gift though, and that he like basically begged for it,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: which is kind of fun, kind of fun to think about.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: All right, Wow, Wow, every time I do the conspiracy
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: theory show my brain, I feel crazy.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see what else pops up in
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: these files because I don't know about people listening, but
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I found this shit really fucking interesting, and just that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: names are coming up that have not been really tied
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: to this before.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: And are nowhere on the internet, which is wild because
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: the internet finds a way, you know, like to like.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: And I feel like with a release like this, it's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: sort of that tactic you hear about in lawsuits where
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: one side will be like, oh, you want to look
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: through our documents to see if there's anything incriminating. Here
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: is a room full of documents. Look through all we.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: Keep terrible files, so we'll just give you all of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: our unorganized keep yourself busy.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that is kind of what this feels
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: like too. And I wouldn't doubt that there is at
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: least some degree of hope that people are going to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: see just the scale of these files and be like, yeah,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: there's nothing in there that we don't know before, but
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: clearly there is, like there is nothing about any of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: these names out there yet. So there is shit in
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: these RFK assassination files. So sad I'm gonna find all
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: of it. It is sad. It's very sad the shit
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: that happened in the sixties with all of these political assassinations,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: very sad. Shit that happened to the Black Panthers because
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: they had the audacity to give kids free breakfast before school.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Fucking heinous, heinous. I feel there's a god, I can't
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: think of the name of it. Now, there's a really
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: good PBS documentary about the Black Panthers that every fucking
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: person in America should watch, especially if you super duper
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: trust the government.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: I feel like, as soon as you understand that America
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: one is a business, two is like, we have very
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: deep white supremacy roots, Like when people like we selled racism,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: it's like, no, we have very deep white supremacy. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: then also as soon as you understand and accept that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: our government is one of the best, biggest organized crime
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: organizations in the world. You don't, you know what I mean,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Like they're organized criminals.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: That's like I mean, a lot of governments are to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: be Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Ye, most governments. I don't.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of the President of Mexico.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: I hope she changes some things.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: But no, yeah, good luck.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know much about life, but I'm just saying, like, yeah,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: as soon as you understand that the governments are organized
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: criminals and do not have your best interest.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: At heart, nothing gets easier.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you still want.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: To vote because you still feel you still want to
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: believe in things.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you get a little sadder. I think that's all.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Once you realize that, you just get a little sadder.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, hey, happy we could make you a little
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: sadder today, everybody. And that is our episode. I think
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: we'll have at least one more RFK episode this month, but.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: I'd like to be on as many as you want
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: to put me on. This is fascinating. Yeah, I'm in.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I will hit you up and so then though, we
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: should wrap this up. Kim, thank you so much for
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: doing the pod. Appreciate it anam, thank you. What do
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: we have to plug before we get out of here?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Follow me on blue Sky Adam Toddbrown Dot, Besky dot
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Social I do not have it on my phone anymore.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I probably won't respond if you hit me up, but
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: do it anyway. I can't do social media anymore. I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: can't hit oof. No side, no side, There's no side
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: that I can stomach on. I've never had. I've never
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: really had Nazis in my timeline. I don't know why
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: people do, but for me, it's the people on my
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: side that like for non politics reasons. It's just like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. God damn. But yeah, follow me
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: on social media, Kim, what do you want to plug?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: You don't have to have an opinion about everything everybody.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: And you don't have to know everyone's opinion about everything. Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of people that I've lost respect
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: for because we live in a time where I get
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: to know everyone's fucking opinion, Whereas before I'd be like, oh,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: the girl I work with, I don't know she's the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: dumbest person alive, But now I do because she posts.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: About it on the internet.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. My album drops on June eighteenth. Oh, we moved it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: It's June eighteenth, my birthday.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's called Charming Filth. There will be pre
• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: and also follow me in all the socials. I still
• 1:04:12
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• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's it. Let's get the funk out of here.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Kim say goodbye, goodbye everyone. Goodbye everybody.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: We love you.