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Future of the Jaguars Program | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, June 6 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drive Time with John Oser, Oser, Bryan
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  Speaker 1: sextyston man Ky State of j Jangs Drive Time.
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  Speaker 2: It starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome into drive Time June sixth Here at Jaguar Stadio.
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  Speaker 3: Brian Sexton, John Oser, thank you for joining us. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: we had a little open OTA practice yesterday, so that
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  Speaker 3: was enjoyable for us. And you know, we're kind of
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  Speaker 3: winding down this OTA process as we get things going,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm excited for training camp to start. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to look too too far ahead, but that's my big.
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  Speaker 2: Thing for many days. Have you kind of the hours
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  Speaker 2: job I have not.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not doing a full Christmas countdown, but I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll get here when he gets here, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: be fired up. Then I'm also fired up for the
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  Speaker 1: time before that. But I get what Kay is saying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's so much at this point. Once you've seen three
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  Speaker 1: OTA practices and there'll be a few mini camp pratices
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  Speaker 1: next week, Sure, who all be there. You've sort of
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  Speaker 1: seen what you can glean and it's not that much.
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  Speaker 1: So in terms of trying to analyze this team.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely look forward to August.
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  Speaker 1: First second went over there on the field and pads.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited for the middle of Electric Center absolutely. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: having been here for twenty nine years and watch this
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  Speaker 4: building go up and then deteriorate and now put up
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  Speaker 4: a fabulous facility like the one that he's about to
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  Speaker 4: open next door. I know the coaches and players are
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  Speaker 4: really excited to get in there, and it's mine.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely turn that page. Let's go over some big things
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  Speaker 3: right now. We'll do our big thing. Number one is
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  Speaker 3: the to do list for Doug Peterson. He kind of
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  Speaker 3: went over with us yesterday a little bit about the
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  Speaker 3: roster and where he thinks the state of things are today.
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  Speaker 5: You look at the big picture of things, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I like the fact that we've got some young secondary
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  Speaker 5: guys that can work inside and outside. There's there's some
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  Speaker 5: some valuable players you know there that could possibly help us.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the depth at linebacker, depth a d line,
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  Speaker 5: and we talked about the edge rush, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: pass rush there, and you know, offensive line we got deeper.
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  Speaker 5: This is one of the better top to bottom offensive
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  Speaker 5: lines that we've had in a long time. You know, here,
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  Speaker 5: receiver room looks good, running back room looks good. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, right now, I would say everything looks great,
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  Speaker 5: all right, ask me in about three months.
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  Speaker 3: All looks good on paper. We'll have to see how
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  Speaker 3: it turns out. Big thing number two is being the
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  Speaker 3: one after the success that they had last season. They're
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  Speaker 3: not going to sneak up on anybody. And Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 3: said that it's really put the onus on him to
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  Speaker 3: get his team prepared to be the hunted.
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  Speaker 5: That falls on me to make sure that they they
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  Speaker 5: don't look past what we're what we're trying to get
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  Speaker 5: accomplished today, and that's on me to make sure we
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  Speaker 5: don't look down the road and last year's last year.
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  Speaker 5: And you just have to keep reiterating the point, like
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  Speaker 5: you know, I've said this in here before. It's you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's a new team, it's a new season. You know,
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  Speaker 5: we got to start over, and that's got to be
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  Speaker 5: the mentality. You know, it's great what we did, but
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  Speaker 5: we haven't done anything in twenty three you know, and
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  Speaker 5: we haven't played a football game yet, so I got
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  Speaker 5: a lot of work to do. But it falls on
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  Speaker 5: me to make sure that they stay they stayed level
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  Speaker 5: headed and grounded and keep working hard.
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  Speaker 3: Big thing number three is who who will be in
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  Speaker 3: addition to this team. We saw Leonard Floyd signed with
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  Speaker 3: the Bills yesterday, so discussions with Doug about when and
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  Speaker 3: if and who they might be adding to this roster.
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  Speaker 5: You can't just jump with the first thing you know
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  Speaker 5: that's there. And obviously you know somebody has to fit
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  Speaker 5: your roster and fit you know, your structure financially and
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  Speaker 5: all of that. But you know there's gonna be guys
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  Speaker 5: probably going into training camp. There's gonna be guys coming
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  Speaker 5: out of training camp that will take a look at.
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  Speaker 5: But you know those are all things for you know,
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  Speaker 5: conversations for down the road. And we've been pleased with
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  Speaker 5: the guys that are here and been working and you know,
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  Speaker 5: we just got to get get them better and ready
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  Speaker 5: to go.
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  Speaker 3: Doug not giving anything away there, but he's definitely working
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  Speaker 3: on what he has here in camp or in OTA's
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  Speaker 3: right now kind of focusing on that, and I guess
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  Speaker 3: no rush right now. Right there's a lot of guys still.
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  Speaker 4: Available well, and I think there's a lot of young
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  Speaker 4: guys on this team that you want to get a
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  Speaker 4: good look at. You start bringing veteran guys in here
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  Speaker 4: before you give reps to some of these guys that
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  Speaker 4: you have been coaching all offseason, you might be missing something, John.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, when I look at the roster, I
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  Speaker 4: don't I know they want a better pass rush this year.
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  Speaker 4: But if none of those guys fit and they don't
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  Speaker 4: end up here, you got some guys you can work with.
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  Speaker 4: I don't look at the rash and go we if
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  Speaker 4: they don't add this, I think they've got a good
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  Speaker 4: group of players. And if they don't add anyone until
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  Speaker 4: after cuts, that's not a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think people took what Doug and Trent said after
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  Speaker 1: the draft and sort of made a mountain out of
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  Speaker 1: a molehill.
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  Speaker 2: If you will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they both said, yeah, the rush is not complete.
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  Speaker 2: Yeh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, every DM says that a favorite draft, right, So
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that that was Trent Balky trying
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  Speaker 1: to be code after the draft saying we have to
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  Speaker 1: go a pass rusher or the wheels are coming off
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  Speaker 1: this thing. Look, they lost Smoot and they lost Ardent Key.
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  Speaker 1: Those were good pieces and Arden played very well within
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  Speaker 1: the last year. But the reality is, if they go
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  Speaker 1: get somebody, I don't think they're necessarily thinking that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to get a guy who's going to come in
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  Speaker 1: to be the best pass rusher on the team. I
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  Speaker 1: think they think they're going if they need a guy,
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  Speaker 1: it's a supplementary part to the pass rush they already have.
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  Speaker 1: So I think there's a difference between what the fans
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  Speaker 1: are thinking right now.
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  Speaker 2: We use it. Last week.
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  Speaker 1: I get a question, why are the Jaguars struggling to
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  Speaker 1: find a pass rusher. I don't think they are. I
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  Speaker 1: think they have probably contacted three or four free agents
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  Speaker 1: said hey, we're interested. When the price gets right, let's
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  Speaker 1: stay in touch. Don't sign anywhere else until you talk
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  Speaker 1: to us. That's about where they're at right now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, and I don't have these high expectations for Jordan
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  Speaker 4: Smith right because he was out all last year and
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  Speaker 4: he didn't do anything as a rookie. But when you
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  Speaker 4: look at him, you see a guy and you think, well,
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  Speaker 4: that's what a pass rusher looks like. Right, Well, I
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  Speaker 4: want to see him on the practice field. I want
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  Speaker 4: to see him every snap of the three preseason games.
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  Speaker 4: Same thing with calebon Chason. I mean, when you look
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  Speaker 4: at the guy, you see all of the physical attributes
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  Speaker 4: and he's made a bunch of plays.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: It's out here running around in shorts and T shirts.
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  Speaker 4: But maybe he's turned the corner. Well, let me find
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  Speaker 4: that out. If Justin Houston is the guy that I
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  Speaker 4: long for, right or Jadavian Clowney or Unique and Gkway
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  Speaker 4: or Frank Clark, whoever the veteran is, I'll be able
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  Speaker 4: to find that guy, you know, sometime in August, and
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  Speaker 4: I'll know mid August. I don't have enough pass rush yet,
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  Speaker 4: so there's no reason to rush it right now. I
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  Speaker 4: want to see these guys and give them all the
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  Speaker 4: reps I possibly can.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like when you're a cook, Brian, so
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  Speaker 3: I use this example. You always check what you have
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  Speaker 3: in the pantry first, right before you go to the
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  Speaker 3: grocery store. You're like, do I have some stuff that
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  Speaker 3: can work for this situation? And it's kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: we have some young guys. Obviously they weren't you know,
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  Speaker 3: some of them were rookies last year, and some of
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  Speaker 3: them maybe weren't up to their fullest potential. So maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's what do we have here? Can we work with
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  Speaker 3: what we have before we go out and add into this.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, And maybe I'm already out on the limb,
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  Speaker 4: but let me go all the way out. I think
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  Speaker 4: this is going to be the year that we see
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  Speaker 4: some production from number forty five from Calebon Chason. Is
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  Speaker 4: he going to be that first round picknum? No, I
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  Speaker 4: don't see that, But I think he's the guy who
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  Speaker 4: can take arden Key's spot.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I've always when I've watched Chase on it's amazed me.
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  Speaker 4: He gets to the quarterback, he gets around the quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: but he never makes the play right. He just doesn't finish.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he sturt a corner can finish. Just watching him,
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  Speaker 4: I've been interested in just his awareness, which is about
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  Speaker 4: all you can look for out there at this point.
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  Speaker 2: John.
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  Speaker 4: But I'll go out in the limb and say that
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  Speaker 4: this is the year that Chason has a significant impact.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe it's only four and a half sacks like
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  Speaker 4: arden Key, but people look and go oh hm oh,
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  Speaker 4: maybe he can be a player.
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  Speaker 1: Also, remember how this works. It's not like if the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars call Unique, for example, and say hey, well we're
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  Speaker 1: ready to sign you. We're going to sign you for
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  Speaker 1: seven million. Well, the agent's going to say fantastic and
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  Speaker 1: he's going to call.
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  Speaker 2: Four or five out of the team.
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  Speaker 1: See, if you get it knocked up, it still is
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  Speaker 1: going to have to be something that works. So my
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  Speaker 1: sense is there's multiple teams Jaguars included, waiting for the
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  Speaker 1: market to come down and make sense. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where that market's going to be. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it'll get there for this because remember every dollar you
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  Speaker 1: spend this year something you can't roll over when cap
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a big issue going forward. So again,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think that they are. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they feel desperate. I think there are fans who see
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  Speaker 1: this as a desperate situation.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it'll be a little bit situational too.
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  Speaker 3: I know, we talked about Riley and then all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden we get a new kicker, So I think
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  Speaker 3: it might be something where something pops up, or you know,
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  Speaker 3: if someone is injured in training camp and you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we really need a veteran presence here. Because also I
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  Speaker 3: think there is something to be said when you have
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  Speaker 3: young players on defense, you don't necessarily want to bring
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  Speaker 3: in a ton of people that are like, oh, I
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  Speaker 3: don't believe in you, So I'm bringing these other people
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  Speaker 3: to kind of take your job because there's the mental
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  Speaker 3: aspect as well. These are young guys.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, and it harkens back to something we've been
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  Speaker 4: talking about around here for years but we've never done,
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  Speaker 4: and that is draft and developed. John, This team has
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  Speaker 4: always had to use free agency as a means to
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  Speaker 4: overcome the mistakes in the draft that has been made
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  Speaker 4: around here. Well, now you've got some young guys with
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  Speaker 4: potential that you're excited about, and you have the added
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  Speaker 4: impetus of the quarterback and his salary. You have to
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  Speaker 4: become a draft and developed team. You must become a
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  Speaker 4: draft and developed team because your salary gap is not
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  Speaker 4: going to allow you with this quarterback salary to be
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  Speaker 4: able to go do that for much longer. So this
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  Speaker 4: is a good year to practice and develop these guys.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to be a draft and developed team,
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  Speaker 1: you have to draft and development. I know that sounds
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  Speaker 1: kind of silly, but they've talked around here forever about
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  Speaker 1: being a draft developed team, and then they draft and
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  Speaker 1: if a guy's not first year, they go get that guy,
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  Speaker 1: draft and develop. The hard months of draft and develop
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  Speaker 1: are after the season until that next season starts when
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  Speaker 1: you have to trust what you've done before camp panic.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 3: No one's panic. Everyone's chill. We're good right now. Is
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  Speaker 3: there any names that you guys are really interested in
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  Speaker 3: that is still available that maybe you'd want to see
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  Speaker 3: as an addition or are you still kind of just
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  Speaker 3: waiting to see what the roster has currently.
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  Speaker 4: I give you a name, Kah and only because I've
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  Speaker 4: admired him since watching him in the Citrus Bowl, you know,
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  Speaker 4: destroy Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: But Jenevan Clowney, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if you're going to give me someone, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when he and JJ Watt were together in the division
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  Speaker 4: in Houston and I would stand by the tunnel here
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  Speaker 4: as they would rock out of him in the field.
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  Speaker 4: They're just so much bigger than everyone else. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: when you want to if you're looking for a guy
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  Speaker 4: who walks through the crowd at the airport, you go,
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  Speaker 4: that guy plays in the NFL. What it's Clowney, right,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's got the longest arms and the broadest shoulders.
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  Speaker 4: So if you gotta bring someone in, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's never been that star, but disruptive. Holy hell, the
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  Speaker 4: guy can blow things up in the middle of the line.
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  Speaker 4: And I know he's got a bad knee and he's
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  Speaker 4: been around for a long time. But if I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: put some money into an older guy, I take him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they already don't have that in Trayvon,
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  Speaker 1: meaning I think Trayvon can developed in a much better
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  Speaker 1: pass rush than he showed last year. But he's disruptive,
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  Speaker 1: he's big. I mean, I think Trayvon can give you
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  Speaker 1: what clown it could get me now, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's why they're not going after that. I think they
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  Speaker 1: feel that The only question with Trayvon it's not whether
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be very, very, very good, it's whether
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  Speaker 1: he's going to have sack numbers. So if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for arden Key type production, which is what I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are panicking, they didn't have to
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  Speaker 1: me that might be unique and I wouldn't rule that out,
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  Speaker 1: but you could have that with your share Abdullah, sure,
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  Speaker 1: But for anybody, I mean, it's going to have to
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  Speaker 1: come down to market making sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, the question was is there anybody that you'd like?
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  Speaker 4: And I gave you the reason why. But I do
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  Speaker 4: understand and and John makes a great point. I think
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  Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker is going to be a guy that you
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  Speaker 4: were going to see a lot of big, productive plays
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  Speaker 4: from this year. Will they all be stracked sack strips
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  Speaker 4: like he had in Nashville that kind of turned that
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  Speaker 4: game around last year? You know, there were two big plays,
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  Speaker 4: by the way that he made in both of those
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  Speaker 4: games against Tennessee. One was the sack and the strip
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  Speaker 4: that put the ball back in the hands of Trevor
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  Speaker 4: right in the first half and got the Jaguars on
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  Speaker 4: the board. The other was a big third down stop
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  Speaker 4: out here against Derrick Henry where literally he reached out
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  Speaker 4: with one big arm and did what I didn't think
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  Speaker 4: anyone could do. So if you're thinking, well Trayvon Walker
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  Speaker 4: didn't do a lot last year, he won both of
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  Speaker 4: the games and may have been the guy who won
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  Speaker 4: the division for you in a sense with those big
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  Speaker 4: plays that turned the game around.
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  Speaker 3: And he's young.
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  Speaker 1: If time, if that play on Henry had been a sack,
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  Speaker 1: everyone would be the perception of him would be different
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  Speaker 1: along some fans would be different right, just based on
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  Speaker 1: that because they would give him four and a half
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  Speaker 1: a big play late, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I get a Ray Sean made the big playout year,
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  Speaker 4: but but he doesn't even get a chance to make
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  Speaker 4: that play if not for if not for that that stop.
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  Speaker 4: So I was reading a story somewhere about the three
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  Speaker 4: pass rushers last year that went in the top ten picks,
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  Speaker 4: and they were kind of dismissive of Treyvon Walker. Hold off,
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  Speaker 4: let's see you if he can be well, he probably
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  Speaker 4: made the two plays that won the division last year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know whether you know.
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  Speaker 4: The national folks aren't going to look that deep, but
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  Speaker 4: you should remember them.
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  Speaker 3: And as this team is built and as it's construction
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  Speaker 3: around the offense, the defense doesn't need to be you know,
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  Speaker 3: a shutdown Denver Broncos defense where you only score you know,
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  Speaker 3: three points a game. They need to keep them in line,
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  Speaker 3: get Trevor the ball back and let them win. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: let them win games that way. All right, talk a
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  Speaker 3: lot of defense coming up. We are going to head
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  Speaker 3: to the offensive side of the ball. We heard from
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  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence for the first time during OTAs, So come
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  Speaker 3: right back and you'll hear from him.
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  Speaker 5: We'll come back here with us obviously third year in
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  Speaker 5: the league, so you know the development and the growth
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  Speaker 5: you know, we got to see the way he ended
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  Speaker 5: the season last year. Got to see you to start
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  Speaker 5: the season right and just just continue that progression with him.
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  Speaker 5: And he's on the right track. He's doing everything that
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  Speaker 5: we've asked him to do. He's again a young player
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  Speaker 5: on our team. He's the you know, he's the he's
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  Speaker 5: the key to the you know, the offense and makes it,
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  Speaker 5: makes it work. So you know, he understands his role
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  Speaker 5: from the standpoint of, you know, put the ball in
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  Speaker 5: the playmaker's hands, you know. But now having a full
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  Speaker 5: year of our offense under his belt too, that that
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: gives him a lot of confidence where you know, last
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: year we were still teaching and he was still learning,
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: and you know, he's still learning. But the uh, he's
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: now teaching you know, the offense to the other guys.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Very well. We hear from the former quarterback winging in
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: on the current quarterback. We're gonna go all Trevor right now,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: because obviously he's, you know, the face of the franchise.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: You want to know how he's doing. We talked, he
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: talked to the media yesterday and he just looks as
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: good as ever. I mean, I wasn't here last season.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: You'll have to tell me. But he looks like he
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: is in a good place. He understands things. He talked
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: to him a little bit about, you know, finally having
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: some consistency going in obviously the second year under Doug Peterson,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: and he just feels like he's in a better space.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Well, let's take you back to twenty twenty one for
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: just a moment, which was, you know, a hall of
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: horrors around here. For the obvious reason, John, I think
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: we were all impressed with the way that he handled
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: himself that year. Here's a young quarterback with things breaking
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: down around him, who was asked the question every week,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: was it like to lose for you? Because if you
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: call at Carter's film clumbs and he rarely lost, and
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: you know, whether he played well or whether the team
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: played well, which they didn't very much, he always came
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: and answered questions and seemed to have that poise in
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: the noise right. Last year he just took a step
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: on that and this year my observation to Trevor Lawrence
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: is is that.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: He is in complete control. Right.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: It's almost like Doug and Mike McCoy and Press Taylor
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: kind of tell him what they want and he goes
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: and runs the practice. Right, he's out there talking to guys,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: pointing and putting guys in position.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Ever, almost to talk about leadership, the guy defines it,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: absolutely utterly defines quarterback leader.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guest on the ozone podcast this week,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: so it's it's I asked him about that same thing,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and I kind of asked him on the lines of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: he was so poised as a rookie, and then so
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: poised even with a two and six start, I said,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I kind of asked him if that was all BS.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Or not, like, you know, is that just shocking?
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you sort of are interested in how guy's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: feeling inside, and he said, well, there are obviously times
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: where you struggle with confidence, but then he also said
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: he's always just sort of believed the phrase he used
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that he that he would come out on the other side. So, yes,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: there are ups and downs that you have as a
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: person that are natural. But he really does have this
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: confidence because he's never been proven wrong on this, that
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: he is going to be good, that it's going to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: work out. If he does the right things, then he
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: will succeed. So I thought that was an interesting answer
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: along this front and Doug Peterson talked about the second
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: year jump that he was going to take in this offense.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: And when Doug talked at the top of this show
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: about liking what he's seeing, I think Doug seeing all
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the signs of everything, including Trevor, that those things are
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: going to happen. Everything looks and feels like it's supposed
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: to and as Doug said, now you've got to go
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: do it when the pads come on.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: In September in twenty twenty one, he came into a
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: dozen press conferences and said, I know what I am
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: capable of doing. I know what kind of player I am.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: And it was refreshing to see that, despite the fact
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: that things weren't going well. As John said, he saw
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: what was coming and what the other side of the
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: equation was and now we're all getting to see it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Says a lot about character, and that's the stuff you
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: can't teach, right, So obviously saw that early. Let's hear
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit from Trevor himself talking about what he's
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: working on in terms of details this season.
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: The little things, the details of the position, whether it's
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: you know, different progressions, just being smarter with the ball.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: In certain situations. You know, I think you look at
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: our season last year and had a lot of situations
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: where he made a lot of crazy plays and a
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: lot of things that we needed to do to win games.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: But how do I just play in and play out,
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: be more consistent, you know, take the take the checkdown
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: on certain plays. When do I trust my instincts, you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: just being smart about all that. I think you know
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: I do that well at times where there's sometimes I
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: could be a little bit more consistent and just make
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: the easy plays, make the routine plays every time. And
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: that's where I'm trying.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: To improve more on consistency the key there. Right, We've
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: seen what he's capable of, but he needs to do that,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: you know, the entire season this year, and I think
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: he's aware of that and the fact they can't play
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: from behind every game and expect to win some of
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: the crazy ways that they did. They need to get
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: out ahead early.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I think what's interesting is in the AFC, you are
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: always going to have to be on top of your game.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: We'll hear that from Trevor, that same thing.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: From him, but it's true every game he will.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: One hundred and ten percent on this one when you
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: look at the quarterback the Joe Burrows that justin Herbert's
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you know, all the guys to forget Patrick Mahomes right
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and Josh Allen in order to be at his best,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: He's going to have to be focused on the little
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: details like that and consistency.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: John is the one.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: You've probably talked about it the most since you got
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: back here, you know, thirteen fourteen years ago, after covering
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Peyton Manning. Is it's doing the same thing the same
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: way every play.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, look, I'm sure Doug would tell you the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: same thing. They weren't a great team last year, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Trevor wasn't a great quarterback last year, even at the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: end of the season. You know, great probably doesn't throw
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the four picks out there. Yeah, now when I say that,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I don't expect great as a second year guy. What
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Trevor's talking about, the consistency stuff is what will make
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: him great and what will make this team great. They
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: can't play on the same edge that they played on
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in the last five or six games of this season
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and expect to have those same results. There was some
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: good fortune involved in their finish. They earned that good fortune,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: but you can't always rely on that for this team
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to get where it wants to go. The second year
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: jump that Doug's talking about in this offense will come
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in the form of consistency, but it's got to happen.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure based on what Doug said yesterday, that's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: what he's emphasized and is look, guys, abay to win
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowls last year's not good enough. I mean fundamentally,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: but also even to get back to where we want
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to go and get to where this franchise wants to go,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that has to be perceived looking back as a stepping stone.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It can't be the apex.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: It feels like a good mindset as well, because the
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: other thing is you don't want to get off the
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: rails if you lose one game, right to be able
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to kind of reboot and be like, all right, let's
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: not go on a giant skid again and dig ourselves
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: into a huge hole and be like, we have the
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: capability to get ourselves out of this. I'm going to
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: do my routine. You see him getting just comfortable and
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: just feeling like he's ready to go. I also talked
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to when we talked to him yesterday, Trevor touched a
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: little bit upon what it's like for him now in
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: his Thursday third season to be a little bit more
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: of a vocal leader, just.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Knowing everybody more.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: You have those relationships with guys that have been here
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: since my rookie year, and then guys that came in
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: last year, and then now being a third year guy
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: with the rookies coming in. I think you just had
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: that experience where you feel more comfortable speaking up and
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: being the leader in the room, leader of the offense.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: And then beyond that, I think obviously playing well and
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: having a year we had last year gives you more confidence,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: and I mean that helps a little bit. But at
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: the end of the day, I try to be the
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: same guy, you know, I don't change just because we
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: had some success last year. Trying to be that same guy,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: lead by example and use my voice when needed.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he's always been a leader, but he does
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: seem like the same guy. Right he's worried. You can't
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: really tell if he's if he's happy. You can tell
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but not really and kind of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: even keel, But would you need at that position.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Sometimes he's already consistent in front of the media. Right,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: he's already consistent with the message, and all you can
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: assume is he's the same guy with his teammates in there.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a no brainer as far as I
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: see it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the leadership thing, I think he had that falling
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: out of the crib.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't imagine I'm ever lacking it. I
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: really couldn't.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: That's just his thing. At the same time, if it
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: was year three and he hadn't had success last year,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: then that natural leadership is going to be sort of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: eroded a little bit by some guys in the locker
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: room saying that's great, you're a leader, but can you
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: play well. That leadership now has been supplemented by Wow.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: This kid can make plays. It's been defined.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, this kid can be special. So now all
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of a sudden that starts taking off and no matter
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: what he does, they will follow him. But he's a natural.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And again, he's the kind of guy people want to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: be around and they want to play with and four
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and all that. And now that he's succeeded, I think
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that thank you'll just see him turn into that dynamic
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: no questions asked. Whatever he says is the tone of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the franchise guy.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: That's a great point, and we'll never we'll never hear
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: or see a list of all the people who picked
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: up the phone, whose agents picked up the phone and
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: called Trent Balkey and said, hey, do you have any
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: interest in my guy? Right, we're talking about guys the
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Jaguars might have interest in. But because of Doug Peterson
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: and Trevor Lawrence and what they're doing on that side
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: of the ball, there will be players who will pick
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: up the phone, whether the Jacks have any interest or not,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: they'll say, we would like to come and talk to
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: you about playing in Jacksonville. You want to be around this.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: You're looking for a situation where there's opportunity for greatness.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: And when you have a quarterback and a head coach
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: who are playing and doing these things, you will have
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: people saying I want to be a part of that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: But you're never gonna hear that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And that's the best part though, because it's the humility.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: We know they're talented, they know they're talented, but they're
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: not coming on saying yeah, I know I'm talented, Like
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Trevor's out there like yeah, I feel like John Wood, Well.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: John I've been on the hall where you call and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: ask if you're interested in people.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: They say no, and they just hang out.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Haven't we all welcome to high school?
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: John, We're not going to go down that dark pat
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: We are going to say. Trevor's very humble and that
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: is what makes him very special because he is as
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: talented as well. We talked also, he talked a little
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: bit yesterday about obviously this offense is expected to do
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: great things. They're going to have to outscore some of
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: most of their opponents. Obviously, if you want in the game,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you have to outscore them. But you know, the run
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: with some of the Chiefs and the Bengals and some
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of these high scoring offenses. If he has an exact
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: number in mind of how many points they want to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: score a game, he's certainly not sharing that right now.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, you're looking to improve in every category
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: and every part of your personal game and as an offense.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, no, I'm not
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: gonna give you answer, because we're going to score as
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: many points it takes to win. And some weeks that'll
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: be some weeks that might be thirty five, some weeks
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: that might be seventeen. Who knows what it's going to be. Obviously,
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: we want to score as many points as we.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Can by the end of the day.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: If we got one more point than the other team,
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: that's what it's about, all right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: He's not going to give us a number. What do
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: we think is plausible here? Well?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I asked the head coach about it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I did an interview with him for the alumni newsletter
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: a few months ago, and I told him I was
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: flippantly just out there throwing, you know, thirty five points
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: a game out there, rotary clubs and things, and he.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Goes, why not sure?
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: He said no, In truth, he said, we scored twenty
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: four and the Chiefs who won the Super Bowl were
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: scoring just under twenty eight, right, so we need to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: get to thirty if we're going to be in the
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: mix and compete with the best of the best.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: So thirty one, yeah, I.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Thought the Chiefs led the league at around thirty point
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: five last year.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Could be wrong, but but that was what he said.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't check. Well, I don't, are you all right?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: We need fact check.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But they improved from I think it was thirteen nine
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one to where they were last year, right,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: if you look at the numbers, I think they were
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: right around twenty four points a game last year. They
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: were around twenty six or twenty seven late in the season.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Once they sort of figured it out, you add another
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: step of figuring it out, and you add readily to this.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would ever say this. I think
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Doug's looking at this saying and we ought to be
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in the top three. When you look at all we
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: ought to be able to go to Kansas City, go
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to Buffalo, go to Cincinna MSA, go play those guys
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and be in all the offensive shootout games we've seen
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: those three teams play. I think Doug looked at this
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: offense and says, we ought to be able to be
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: in that. Well, you look at all the weapons and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Evan Ingram isn't even out on the field right now,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you look at what's possible. Tank Bigsby has been impressive
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: right the last two practices I've watched him, and now
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you think about, well, where can I put Travis etn
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: How can I create a mismatch by moving him out
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of the backfield and lining him up in the slot,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: or why what can I do when I've got the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: tight ends. Strange made a great catch yesterday. The third
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: round pick, pardon me, the second round pick from Penn
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: State made beautiful catch.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Me.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: You've just got so many pieces. And now you take
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Doug and Press and Mike McCoy three really really good
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: offensive mines with this quarterback. Yeah, be in the top three.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It's when it starts to get fun, right, Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've never seen anything like.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: We've seen some good offense around here in the day,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: but I don't think anything like what we're about to see.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Certainly on paper, this is the best we're gonna be
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: able to probably put together. I'd imagine at this point,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: it's just getting gluttonous, right if we add anybody else.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody asked you about DeAndre Hopkins the other day,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: and my first thought is, where's even play?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Where's the spot for I'm gonna.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Get he's a great player, but why you get how well?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And I think there's an element too. This could be
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the a peak point in terms of how many high
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: profile skill guys they can have. Yeah, once you start
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: with a contract, then it could become a situation where
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you have a little more emphasis on the quarterback position
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and he has to carry guys that are less proven.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: That's supposed to be how the how the balance sort
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of shifts once you get that. So are you going
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to have another year where you've got this perfect storm
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of Christian Kirk second year, Evan Ingram second year, Zay
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Jones second year rookie? You know, I don't know if
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you have that perfect storm, although if Trevor is what
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: we think, then you can maintain a high level of
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: pace offensively very well.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna do John's zone questions when we
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: come back, and we'll get all of those questions answered
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: for you. So stay with us.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: This friend, lady.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Oh all right, we're gonna check in with the ever
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: wise John Oser and get his answers on some of
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: these questions that you guys have sent to him. First,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: we're checking in with p Funk from Murray Hill. That's
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: our first question of the day. Does the signing of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: our thirteen rookies dip into the money that the team
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: could use to sign more veteran free agents?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go deep, deep, deep into this. The
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: answer is not really Uh. It is a rookie salary
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: cap and it would take a while to explain the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: machinations of that, but essentially, your rookie salary cap UH
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is a cap within a cap. All of those guys
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that you signed don't always count against your off season cap, Brian,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So it it affects it a touch, but it's also
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: planned for well in advance so that it doesn't really
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: affect moves that they make anything effect to the cap.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But they knew what their cap number was going to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: be and it's not affecting their activity right now, So
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that's not I'm sure people who the depth of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: cap every detail that I'm probably missing some things there,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: but that's the essence of it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: They've got eleven million dollars in cap room right now
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: for signing their rookie class, so they're.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Not missing out on anybody because of money at the time.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: No, and there are there are still two players with
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: big numbers, Cam and Darius Williams. If they decided they
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: were going to jump in, they could restructure a bit
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: they haven't. There's also Evan Ingram that they could sign
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: to a long term deal and drop his eleven point
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: three million dollars franchise tag down. So there's plenty of mechanisms,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: enough players, there's not enough need to go and do this, right,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, if they really wanted to sign a pass rusher,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess that they can get that pass rusher
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: in on a two year deal and make his number
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: this year somewhere about six seven eight million, you know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: in a way that they can fit it in. So
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: they shouldn't need to restructure. But if they felt the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: need to, if there was something there, they could go
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: and do it. They're in really strong cap shape.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And they're certainly waiting it out too for that veteran guy.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: If they are going to go that route, they'll hopefully
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: get a little bit of a bargain later closer to
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the start of the season. All right. Question two for you,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: John is from Joe in Jacksonville. If Trevor plays well
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: next season, is there any scenario where he does not
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: get extended? Would they wait a year?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Well, there's always scenarios, I mean, and so the best
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: way I can explain it is the Bengals have their
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: chance after their season end this year to re sign
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: not Joe Burroder a long term deal. Nobody thinks that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that's not going to happen.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: They're working on it right now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet, mainly because the complexities of this
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: contract that have to spread out over perhaps ten years
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and affect your cap. They are complicated. I guess negotiations
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the word. But it's not even like the sides are
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: in disagreement. It's that they're trying to find do so this. Yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: there's a possibility that it wouldn't get done next offseason,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: but I don't think there's any possibility that it won't
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: be discussed. And I don't think it's going to be
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: an adversarial situation with this. I think it's going to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: be Trenton shod going to Trevor's people and saying, let's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to make this work that makes
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: him happy, makes them the highest paid whatever, and also
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: works for our team. And I think Trevor's team will go, yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: let's make sure we go that direction. I think that's
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the only scenario. I don't see a scenario where the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Jaguars go.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Hmmm, let's play games here, wait a year. No, I
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: think that's what it's going to be. No, you're right,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: there's a couple of things to add to that. First
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: of all, when you're talking now about these quarterbacks in
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: these mega contracts that are coming, right, I mean, was
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: it ten years ago that we are not even ten
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: five years ago that Matt Ryan became the first thirty
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: million dollar a year quarterback. Five years later, now we're
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: in the mid fifties, right, So there's a mechanism that
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: is being investigated, and that is, can you take a
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: quarterback and make him a percentage of your salary cap? Right,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: say you will always be x percent, eight, nine, ten percent,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: whatever it is. Well, no one's done that yet, right, and.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: That because it's a little trickier than just that, but
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that's probably coming at some point in the future, because
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: we're talking if it's taken five years to get to
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the mid fifties.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Which are at seventy eighty, that kind of thing, Well,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to be the first. I mean, everyone's still
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: pissed off at the Browns for fully guaranteeing Deshaun Watson's contract.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: They don't want to set precedent without consulting, you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: other teams and making sure that this is the best
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: model going forward. Because Burrow's contract and Justin Herbert is
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: up for a contract this year, I think the expectation
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: is both of them will have something done here in
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: the next couple of months. It will set a precedent
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: that Shad and Trent and the team here will then
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: be able to follow.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: So it's not just complex within your own salary cap,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: it's complex within the framework of the thirty two teams
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: and how that changes the dynamic of paying all quarterbacks
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: going forward. So this process is slow. I would expect
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: you want to get it done, John, because you've got
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: a bunch of young players coming up in the next
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: few years, and the quarterback will set the temple for
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: your entire salary cap. How you do Trevor will allow
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: you to go forward and keep as much together as
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: you want. So they've got to get it right, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Burrow and Herbert are going to set that precedent.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the And if this question was implying
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it for some questions I've gotten, well, would they try
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to quote be smart about this and let him play
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: out his deal, play on the franchise. You don't have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to do this immediately, and for the reasons you said Bryan.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: First of all, you don't do that when you believe
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he is your guy. You want to build around it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And the sooner that you get the structure of the
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: salaries in place, the sooner I mean think of it
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: as an Excel spreadsheet. You get that Trevor in place
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: on your cap, then you can figure out how the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: rest of your decade's going to look at lease have
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a plan. Until you know that, then you may as
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: well have like little scraps of paper.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: In the air.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: And I just want to point this out to go
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: back to the Brown set, the president of a fully
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: guaranteed contract. Well, the Ravens couldn't get their deal done
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: with Lamar Jackson for the longest time because he said,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: well they guaranteed Sean Watson, I want that guaranteed money, right.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: So these owners they're thinking of their cap and their
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: business situation, but they're also in business with thirty one
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: other owners and they've got to work together to make
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: sure it's a collusion. But they're working together to make
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: sure that if you're setting a precedent, I got to
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: be able to live up to it. I got to
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: be able to do it too. There's a lot of
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: other issues, and we could go deep into the weeds
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: on it, like having to put money in escrow. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: if I guarantee you one hundred million, I've got to
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: have one hundred million in cash to give you and
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: put into an escrow account. And the viability of the
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: funding rule. But the point is the Jaguars will get
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: something done as quickly as they can with their quarterback because.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: He's their guy, not a mathematician. This is well above
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: my pay grade. But I know he will get his money,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and I know he Treblor will be here for quite
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: some time. What the logistics of that are will see
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: in the next year or two. But they're going to
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: get that done for sure. All right, stay with us.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Coming up, we'll have a peek at what we've got
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: going on the rest of the weekend. What you guys
• 35:38
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• 35:59
  Speaker 3: All right, eight underway today nine to ten. Potentially getting
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Mini camp canceled. I think everyone has their fingers crossed
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: for that. I'm just gonna say it. I think everybody
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: has their fingers crossed for that, And so the veterans
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: probably already have vacations book.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: To be completely honest, you know, Doug last year talked
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: about why he canceled it because he saw what he
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: needed to see from these guys in the off season program.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: If he saw that last year, I have to believe
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: that he has seen even more from them this year.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: You know, these guys out there, there's an intensity to
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the way that they work. You know, and I wrote
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: it in the column for John yesterday. There's such a
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: calmness to this team this year. Right, Everything is like, yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: we know what to do, let's go here and do this.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: But when they get there to do it, they do
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: it with intensity. My guess is, if Doug saw it
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: last year, he saw it this year. And veterans aren't
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: going to be on the field much next week, if
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I think he said as much yesterday. He's made his decision.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: He didn't tell us what that decision is. But Doug
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Peterson has made his decision about Mini camp already field.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But I don't think guys that don't need to be
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: will fair enough.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: What do you got cooking this week? I know you
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: talked to Trevor for.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Your talk sure for the Ozone podcast that's the main thing.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I believe that I'll roll out Thursday and it's worth
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: listening to. He's always really good in that environment, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I think fans will.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Enjoy it absolutely well. Love that looking forward to everything.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: We will check in with you for one more off
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: season drive time before we take a little bit of
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a break and get ready for training camp. As always,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: thank you for joining us and we'll see soon.