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Episode 37, Season 1: The Tik Tok Ban: Part 1 · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Lovedog podcast. I am your co host
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  Speaker 1: Raina Butcher here with our host, doctor Sarah Hensley. Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am doing very well good, I think right right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: There is a lot going on, which is what we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about in this episode, episode thirty seven.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to discuss the TikTok band.
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  Speaker 2: Please don't take our TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even really have TikTok, but I know it's
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  Speaker 1: your biggest platform, and it is It's how you got
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  Speaker 1: started and I got started.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very emotionally attached to TikTok, not to mention that
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  Speaker 2: I have over a million followers there. And I think
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  Speaker 2: the biggest argument that creators have right now is that
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  Speaker 2: the algorithm is just so unique that it really amplifies
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  Speaker 2: organic voices, whereas another platform that starts an M and
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  Speaker 2: ends with an A right that has well, I should
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  Speaker 2: say two different platforms associated with it, does not amplify
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  Speaker 2: organic voices very well. They have a very predetermined set
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  Speaker 2: of kind of criteria of who they want to be
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  Speaker 2: superstars on their app.
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  Speaker 1: It's very conditional.
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  Speaker 2: It is very very conditional. The love over there is
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  Speaker 2: very conditional. I need to spend a lot more time
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube. I forget about YouTube, you know, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: just so like TikTok or my they're just my people, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know. That's the community that I spent so much
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  Speaker 2: time growing.
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  Speaker 1: What I've learned about YouTube specifically is the video content,
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  Speaker 1: if it's long form, requires a lot of editing. It
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  Speaker 1: has to be really dynamic in the sense of splicing
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  Speaker 1: in lots of different things. Yes, so it can't really
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  Speaker 1: just be your face, yeah, in order for it to
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  Speaker 1: really gain momentum.
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  Speaker 2: And TikTok really loves me just sitting in my car
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  Speaker 2: talking and I'm not gonna lie, that takes the least
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  Speaker 2: amount of time. The lighting is good, natural light. The
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  Speaker 2: acoustics are good. When I recorded my office, my office
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  Speaker 2: has like this ceiling that has multiple like little levels
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  Speaker 2: to it. It's like a I don't know what they
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  Speaker 2: call it, carved out or whatever, and so there's very
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  Speaker 2: echoey and despite sound panels, despite good mics, it still
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sound as well as I would like it to.
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  Speaker 2: And TikTok just loves me in my car. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's where car line relationship advice took off and that's
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  Speaker 2: where I got my following, and people like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I just I don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: It's authentic. I think it's really authentic when you show
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  Speaker 1: up in your car and yeah, just like, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is me, I'm picking up my kid and here's some
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  Speaker 1: really great advice. Yeah, and people find that really relatable.
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  Speaker 2: They do, They absolutely do. And TikTok is just such
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  Speaker 2: a special special place. And I've been following this band
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  Speaker 2: so closely. Yeah, every step of the way. I have
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  Speaker 2: been following it. And we're in a really critical position
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  Speaker 2: right now. So today is Thursday, January sixteenth. I know
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  Speaker 2: you guys won't be hearing this episode until the official
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  Speaker 2: band date has passed. So what we're saying today something
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  Speaker 2: might have happened. There may be an intervention. There's actually
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  Speaker 2: lots of ways that different entities are trying to intervene.
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  Speaker 2: We have not had a Supreme Court decision yet, which again,
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  Speaker 2: by the time you listen to this, maybe we will.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Biden as of last night, actually said
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  Speaker 2: he's going to try to implement some kind of solution.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know what that looks like. If that looks
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  Speaker 2: like a ninety day extension, or if that looks like
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's going to try to make some decision about
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  Speaker 2: what the current structure looks like and if that's a
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  Speaker 2: sufficient divestiture, I don't know. Trump has promised his very
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  Speaker 2: first day in office to save TikTok, and he pulled
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  Speaker 2: a pretty big move out where he actually reserved some
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  Speaker 2: special seating that is supposed to only be reserved for
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  Speaker 2: former presidents for the TikTok CEO at his inauguration, So
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  Speaker 2: the TikTok CEO will be directly behind him during his inauguration.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, So that shows.
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  Speaker 2: Like a real commitment to keeping the platform. Although if
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  Speaker 2: Trump goes the direction of the executive order, since it
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  Speaker 2: is a law enacted by Congress, there will be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of legal pushback and a lot of legal challenges
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  Speaker 2: to that executive order.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that prolong the demise of it though? Or would
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  Speaker 1: it not? Would it automatically just go dark?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. The Supreme Court has the final say,
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  Speaker 2: and so well, I shouldn't say that. Let me backtrack.
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  Speaker 2: The Supreme Court has the final say in is the
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  Speaker 2: law constitutional? Therefore, should it be upheld? But you have
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  Speaker 2: to remember that the president has the executive's sole power
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  Speaker 2: to enforce the laws. So Trump does not have to
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  Speaker 2: enforce this law, although that's kind of a bad look
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  Speaker 2: on the president to not enforce a law that Congress
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  Speaker 2: pas and that another president has signed. But in all fairness, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is not a political or partisan platform. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: here to tell you what's good or bad politically. I've
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  Speaker 2: already said I don't really side with either side. But
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  Speaker 2: Biden didn't enforce border laws. So presidents in the past
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  Speaker 2: have looked at laws that are on the books and
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  Speaker 2: have made decisions to not enforce them. And of course
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  Speaker 2: there's always going to be legal challenges to a president
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  Speaker 2: not enforcing a law.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, so I know that you've said that there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of misinformation out there, so I think it's important
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  Speaker 1: to tell our listeners the ones who care right about
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  Speaker 1: what that misinformation is, and then try to inform them correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, first and foremost, there are still people out
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  Speaker 2: there that don't realize that this was a law that
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  Speaker 2: was enacted with bipartisan Congress support, which, let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: that almost never happens. Like the one thing our country
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  Speaker 2: can agree on in a bipartisan way, is to ban
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  Speaker 2: freaking TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's not make groceries more affordable, it's not make housing
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  Speaker 2: more affordable. It's not anything that we really want to
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  Speaker 2: see happen. It's banning freaking TikTok, right, right. And I
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  Speaker 2: think Congress is just really shocked that we're not on
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  Speaker 2: board with this, that we're pushing back so hard, and
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  Speaker 2: it just goes to show you how grossly out of
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  Speaker 2: touch our government is with the American people.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of people don't realize that this passed the House, it
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  Speaker 2: passed the Senate, and it was signed into law by
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  Speaker 2: President Biden. So it is a law on the books
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  Speaker 2: and that is not easily overturned. The only way to
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  Speaker 2: challenge that is to go to the Supreme Court, which
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  Speaker 2: is what they did. Now. The news outlets are doing
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  Speaker 2: something very predictable, and what they are doing is saying
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court is signaling they're going to uphold the ban.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I
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  Speaker 2: listened to the oral arguments where TikTok as well as
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  Speaker 2: the attorney for the creators, argued against the ban, and
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  Speaker 2: they argued against the US Solicitor General, who's the attorney
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  Speaker 2: for the government, and every single person that I have
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  Speaker 2: seen on social media who listened to the oral arguments
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  Speaker 2: came to the same conclusion that I did, which is
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  Speaker 2: that TikTok killed it and the government really struggled. That's
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  Speaker 2: great news, yes, And so the fact that the media
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  Speaker 2: is spinning that in the different direction really goes back
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  Speaker 2: to some social psychological principles that media uses in order
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  Speaker 2: to control its people. And I think the fear tactic
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  Speaker 2: and the fear mongering of that is the media attempting
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  Speaker 2: to make the people feel helpless so they don't take action. Right,
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like learned helplessness, like, well, there's nothing I
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  Speaker 2: can do. There's this we call it external locus of
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  Speaker 2: control that leads to learned helplessness. Those are the psychological principles,
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  Speaker 2: and external locus of control is this idea that I
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  Speaker 2: have no power. Every other entities around me have all
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  Speaker 2: the power and control my life, like the government.
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  Speaker 1: I should do nothing and therefore.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't take any action because it's pointless, it's a
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  Speaker 2: waste of my time. When nothing could be further from
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  Speaker 2: the truth. We still need to even if we have
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  Speaker 2: way new information when this drops that maybe Trump has
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  Speaker 2: stepped in or Biden has stepped in, or the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court is ruled, we still need to keep pressure on
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  Speaker 2: our lawmakers to protect our First Amendment rights of free speech.
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  Speaker 2: So there are a lot of constitutional challenges for this law. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: TikTok as well as Creators have many avenues under which
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  Speaker 2: this ban could be overturned by this Supreme Court. There
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  Speaker 2: are many constitutional challenges on the side of TikTok and
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  Speaker 2: the creators, where the government only has one point one
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  Speaker 2: argument that the Supreme Court has signaled they care about.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a First Amendment issue, meaning that it
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  Speaker 2: should there's no guarantee, but the court should see this
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  Speaker 2: as a strict scrutiny issue, meaning that it is going
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  Speaker 2: to be viewed under the strictest scrutiny in standards that
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court uses to determine whether or not a
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  Speaker 2: law is constitutional. So there's sort of three parts to that. One,
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  Speaker 2: the government has to demonstrate it has a compelling interest
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  Speaker 2: in the case. I think that they have essentially met
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  Speaker 2: that burden over the data privacy, they did not meet
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  Speaker 2: the burden, and it was clear that the justices were
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  Speaker 2: not on board with a content based restriction being a
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  Speaker 2: government interest. So let's break those two things in here.
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  Speaker 1: Please do yes, because I'm like my brain, Ran Now, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, So the US government has two separate arguments, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: One is that TikTok is essentially a China propaganda machine
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  Speaker 2: that they are going to sway Americans away from support
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  Speaker 2: of the American government into support of communist China, which
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  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. Okay, first of all, Yeah, but they're shooting
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  Speaker 2: themselves in the foot by doing this. Okay, but I'll
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  Speaker 2: get back to why that is. Unfortunately for them, it
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  Speaker 2: seems that they have forgotten that foreign propaganda is still
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  Speaker 2: protected US speech under the Constitution. So Americans have the
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  Speaker 2: right to consume foreign propaganda if they so choose, and.
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  Speaker 1: There are other ways to do so other than through
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  Speaker 1: TikTok of course, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Right, Like, you could actually be a
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  Speaker 2: member of the Communist Party in America. You have that right.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a terrible idea. Yeah, I think communism
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  Speaker 2: is awful, but you still have a right to be
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  Speaker 2: a communist in America. And in fact, Ran Paul got
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  Speaker 2: up in front of the Senate when this tried to
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  Speaker 2: get passed very swiftly, I think it was last year,
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  Speaker 2: he stood up and said, hey, you know, these congressmen
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  Speaker 2: said you don't have a right to have communist propaganda
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  Speaker 2: in America. And he was like, actually, the First Amendment
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  Speaker 2: specifically protects against foreign propaganda. Because the First Amendment essentially
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't directly state this, but the Supreme Court decisions
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  Speaker 2: that have uphold upheld I should say, the First Amendment
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  Speaker 2: really believe that the best solution to foreign propaganda is
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  Speaker 2: American counter speech against it. So we can't censor the propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: We just have to rely on counter speech to mitigate
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  Speaker 2: the effects. So and that was actually an argument that
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  Speaker 2: Justice Kavanaugh brought up in the oral arguments, that hey,
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  Speaker 2: you're arguing that you want to protect us from propaganda,
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  Speaker 2: and that is protected speech. And this Court fundamentally believes
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  Speaker 2: that the best argument against speech that we don't like
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  Speaker 2: is counter speech, right, right, Yeah, And so.
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  Speaker 1: Which TikTok is a platform for.
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  Speaker 2: Both for both for any speech right and and even
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  Speaker 2: I forget which justice it was, Oh gosh, I want
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  Speaker 2: to say, Gorsic said, so basically, what you're saying, is
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  Speaker 2: you don't like what Joe has to say, so let's
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  Speaker 2: censor Joe. In the government was scrambling, yeah, scrambling to
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  Speaker 2: counteract the Justices pushedback. They were really scrambling, and they
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  Speaker 2: did a poor job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it was very clear to those of US listening
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  Speaker 2: to the oral arguments that their argument against the content
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok is a violation of the First amend Or.
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  Speaker 2: But they have another argument that the Justices signaled may
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  Speaker 2: be a compelling interest to meet strict scrutiny, which is
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  Speaker 2: the data privacy piece. So we have the content piece.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like what TikTok puts out there. It's foreign propaganda. Well,
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  Speaker 2: too bad, that's covered by the First Amendment. It's protected.
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  Speaker 2: But data privacy is another issue, right, and the government
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  Speaker 2: is making a real stretch here. Okay, they're essentially saying
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  Speaker 2: that TikTok us is owned by China. It's not. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: TikTok Us is owned by Byte Dance, which is a
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  Speaker 2: corporation in China, but it is not the Chinese government.
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  Speaker 2: So essentially the US is saying, hey, TikTok is owned
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  Speaker 2: by the Chinese government, but it's not it's owned by
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  Speaker 2: a corporation in China, and that corporation itself is owned
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  Speaker 2: by multinational investors. Only a small percentage of the company
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  Speaker 2: is actually owned by someone who has ties to the
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  Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party. And they don't even have ties. They're
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  Speaker 2: just a Chinese nationalist. They're just a victim of their
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  Speaker 2: own government as well. Right, And so, but TikTok, as
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  Speaker 2: well as ByteDance, involves multinational investors, a lot of which
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  Speaker 2: include Americans. Sure, TikTok Usa is headquartered in America. It
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  Speaker 2: is run by Americans. It's CEO is Singaporean, right, and
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  Speaker 2: has no ties to China, which is something that in
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  Speaker 2: the congressional hearings they couldn't seem to wrap around their head. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so TikTok, as a US based company has First
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  Speaker 2: Amendment rights, And that's one of the things they tried
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  Speaker 2: to challenge that this isn't about TikTok, this is about
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  Speaker 2: byte Dance. No, it's about TikTok, right, And that's a
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  Speaker 2: US company. TikTok Incorporated is a US company with First
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  Speaker 2: Amendment rights. And TikTok did a very good job of
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  Speaker 2: arguing that that's great and even if TikTok didn't have
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  Speaker 2: First Amendment rights, the creators do and that cannot be disputed.
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  Speaker 2: So again the government struggled there. But the data privacy
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  Speaker 2: issue is essentially saying, hey, we think China, through Byteedance,
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  Speaker 2: can grab TikTok's data on American citizens and then use
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  Speaker 2: it later to blackmail Americans to turn people into spies
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  Speaker 2: at Zeta. And then that takes you down the rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole of a very significant issue. One is there any
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  Speaker 2: proof that TikTok has actually done this? Because laws based
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  Speaker 2: on speculation are not constitutional and would not be considered
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  Speaker 2: a compelling government interest. It can't be speculative. It has
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  Speaker 2: you have to show that this is an immediate threat
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  Speaker 2: that has already been taking place that needs to be stopped.
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  Speaker 2: So this is where things got really nuanced and really
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  Speaker 2: anitty gritty.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was going to say, would they be able
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  Speaker 1: to openly talk about that in open court? A national
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  Speaker 1: security issue?
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  Speaker 2: There's where it gets sticky. Yeah, So the government put
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  Speaker 2: in quote secret evidence that TikTok is not allowed to
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  Speaker 2: see that is classified. This both could strengthen the government's
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  Speaker 2: arguments or it could weaken the government's arguments and it
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  Speaker 2: depends on which way the justices view the situation. So
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  Speaker 2: let me break that down. So, according to the evidence
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  Speaker 2: TikTok has, all of these potential threats of data security
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  Speaker 2: are speculative. TikTok claims, we have made no violations. We
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  Speaker 2: have never handed over any US data to TikTok. Bye
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  Speaker 2: Dance data is stored on US soil with the US
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  Speaker 2: company Oracle, with a board of US citizens overseeing its protection.
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  Speaker 2: So TikTok and the government spent the last four years
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  Speaker 2: negotiating security agreements and landed on this idea called Project Texas,
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  Speaker 2: which just means that all US data would be stored
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  Speaker 2: on US soil by a US company, would be required
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  Speaker 2: to fulfill audits by US citizens ensuring that they are compliant,
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  Speaker 2: and not sharing any data with Byteedance.
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  Speaker 1: Well it seems like a solution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, essentially what the government did is they they
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  Speaker 2: allowed TikTok Incorporated to spend two billion dollars on this
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  Speaker 2: project and then ghosted TikTok and filed this ban.
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  Speaker 1: What why why?
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  Speaker 2: Don't really know? We don't really know. But then this
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  Speaker 2: has to do with the quote unquote secret evidence. Right,
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  Speaker 2: they leaked part of that they talked to little bit
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  Speaker 2: about some of the evidence, but the majority of it
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  Speaker 2: is sealed, okay, and only the justices can view it
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  Speaker 2: what's called on camera, which doesn't mean it's recorded. It
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  Speaker 2: just means that they're going to view it in private. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So this is where it gets really sticky. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna try to be really clear. If TikTok is being
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  Speaker 2: punished for crimes that they have supposedly committed, which would
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  Speaker 2: be datish privacy violations of sharing US data with by Dance,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not allowed to see the evidence against them,
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  Speaker 2: then that makes this law what's called a bill of attainder,
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  Speaker 2: and a bill of attainder is unconstitutional, and it prohibits
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  Speaker 2: any US company or person to have a law that
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  Speaker 2: takes punitive action against them without a right to a
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  Speaker 2: fair trial, to see the evidence against them, and to
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  Speaker 2: have due process, which is required in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, on one hand, that's exactly what's happening. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: American government is saying, no, TikTok, you screwed up and
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  Speaker 2: you actually did share data with byte Dance, and we
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  Speaker 2: can prove it, but we're not going to let you
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  Speaker 2: see the proof so that you can argue against it,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not going to let you have a trial
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  Speaker 2: to see if this evidence is legit. Right, that violates
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  Speaker 2: the due process rights of TikTok. Sure okay, and that
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  Speaker 2: makes it a bill of attainder, which makes it unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 2: TikTok is saying, but there's a little bit of evidence
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  Speaker 2: here that somehow Bye Dance got a hold of location
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  Speaker 2: data of US journalists and we're surveilling US journalists using
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  Speaker 2: their location data. So TikTok's like, well, we have no
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  Speaker 2: evidence of that, right, We have absolutely no evidence that
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  Speaker 2: is of that that that has happened. And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: we have had three independent audits and we've passed all
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  Speaker 2: three of them with flying colors, and those audits were
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  Speaker 2: conducted by the US right, so like, we don't have that,
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  Speaker 2: but the government's saying that they do. So that was
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: very unclear in oral arguments of like, is this part
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: of what's in the sealed evidence that TikTok has not
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: been allowed to see or is this something that you
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: know TikTok just doesn't know about That shouldn't happen because
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: when you go to trial for any issue, each side
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: is allowed to see the evidence that the other side
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: has against them. That is, you know, that would be
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: part of discovery and what would can be considered a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Brady violation, which would be if you go to trial
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and you pull out evidence that you haven't shared with
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the other side. Right. I don't really know if that's
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: true in civil law, but I know that that's how
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: it works in criminal law. But from what I'm hearing,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the same is true in civil law, I would think,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: So you have to present the evidence that you supposedly
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: have on the other party. Right. So then TikTok's like, well, okay,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: so it was location data. Right. He's like, we don't
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: know anything about that. The Government's like, yeah, you need
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to understand that in order for TikTok to function, there
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: has to be data flows between TikTok and byte Dance,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: or the algorithm can't function. And the US government was
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: basically trying to argue that that data flow included US
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: citizen privacy data. TikTok was like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: no no. It's technology data. It's source code that has
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to do with the functioning of the app. In no way,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: shape or form is US data about citizens flowing to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: byte dance. That is absolutely not happening. The other argument
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that TikTok had, which I thought was an absolute grand slam,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: was their five minute rebuttal at the end of the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court. If you go to the Supreme Court's website,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I think it's dot gov or Supreme Court dot gov.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Either one might get you there. And then if you
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: go to the archives and listen to the World Arguments,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the last five minutes is life changing. This is essentially
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: when to TikTok came out after hearing the US arguments
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, hell no, yeah, you guys
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: are lying and stretching and reaching. This is not the case.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: They said, Okay, this bill singles out TikTok, and the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: US government was like, but TikTok's so special, we have
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to signal single out TikTok. And the Government's like, well, okay,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: let's see what kind of data Timu and Shean collect.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So they went to this economic International Economic Report that
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the US has that is essentially collecting e commerce data
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: from any entity that does e commerce business with the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: United States, which include TIMU and Gin.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Right, so about the data that you put into those apps?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know actual address? It gets all of
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: my bathing suits from Shean or Sheen. I don't know
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: how it's pronounced. Some people say she in, some people
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: say Sheen. I get all my bathing suits there, every
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: single one of them, because I mean bathing suits wear out.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It's cheap, they're cute. You know they fit well. Did
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: you know that if you shop at sin you are
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: checking a box that gives that company the right to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: infiltrate your social media for marketing purposes to figure out
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: what you like and what you don't like. It collects
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: more data than TikTok does, including the ability to access
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: your TikTok, but they are exempt from this ban in
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: this law. Why that's the question TikTok has right, which
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: makes it a bill of attainer. It makes it punishing
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: TikTok for being TikTok right, instead of realizing that Shean
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: can collect the exact same data on American citizens. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that was a grand slam because it really starts to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: essentially weaken the argument of the US government that this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is about national security. Clearly it's not about national security
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: if another company can actually collect more data on us
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: than TikTok. Can and they are not subject to the band.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: That is more evidence that this is in fact a
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: bill of attainder right, that this is a punitive measure
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: against TikTok to punish them because because the government doesn't
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: like what we're doing there, which is organizing, which is
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: challenging legacy media narratives, which is protesting things we don't
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like about the government, which is getting news that is
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: not fish with no censorship, that we're getting news that
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: we can't get anywhere else.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And that was going to be like probably my last question,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: which you know you might have a lot more to say,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: but was you know just what your theory is on
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: why they are singling out TikTok. I'm sure you have
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: multiple books.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I do. I think it's one hundred percent about the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: US government being scared that we can access information about
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: what they're doing very quickly and that we can organize
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and protest against it very quickly. So I think that
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: they don't like the fact that they know before if
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it's not obvious by now, the government has a lot
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: of influence over the national media a lot sure, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the fact that they don't have influence on what Americans
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: are consuming in terms of their media. They don't like that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And it is not that they're concerned about Chinese propaganda.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: They're not concerned about that. They know that we don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: care about Chinese propaganda. They're concerned the things that they're
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the shady stuff that they're doing is going to be
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: rapidly exposed and then we can rally and make our
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: voices heard and stop try to stop it. They don't
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: want that. They want it to be delayed. They want
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to have their own spin on it. They want it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to be very hard for us to communicate and organize.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And TikTok is a place where we can get stuff done,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and we can get stuff done quickly as it relates
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to geopolitical issues, and the government just doesn't have control
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and they don't like that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And I know, with meta, maybe I shouldn't have said
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the word. My artem says, I can't stand it, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: there has to be some propaganda there with money.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, yeah, Mark Zuckerberg. I think his
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: nickname on TikTok is Mark Suckerberg. Now anyway, I pretty
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: much I believe I haven't read it, but I've seen
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of again TikTok clips about it that he's
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: actually been in trouble for selling our data to China.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: They actually got penalized. And he sells our data to everybody.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg sells our data to anyone who wants it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: That is a huge money maker for him, is selling
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: our data. And then he's tried to come out all
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: sad like, we're not going to have fact checkers anymore,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do community notes. Nobody's buying it, Bud. We
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: already know what your bias is. We already know that
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you want to censor Americans. We already know that you
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: made a deal with the US government to censor Americans
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: during the election. He made a deal with the Biden administration.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: He openly admits that he's openly admitted to Congress that
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: he made a deal with the Biden administration to censor
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: conservative voices. Which I think that that should be alarming
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to Democrats as well, because Democrats have long been advocates
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: for free speech. And so that's why we see people
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: like Representative Rokana who's a Democrat, Ed Markey, who's a Democrat,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: stepping in to really try to stand up for free
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: speech because historically the Democratic Party has been the most
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: free speech, and so it was very surprising that I
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: think Biden was pressuring social media platforms to censor certain voices,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and Mark Zuckerberg said, sorry, we're sorry about that. You know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: we're not going to do that much anymore.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it was just kind of swept on.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It was swept under the rug. I think it's it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: just as Americans we should be anti censorship. I don't
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: care for a Democrat or a Republican. As Americans, we
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: need to be anti censorship in prose free speech. The
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: sooner we start censoring Americans, we lose all the other freedoms.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: All the other freedoms go away. And so that's why
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it's the first Amendment. That's why it's the first one.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Right, it's the most important one. It's the best one.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: It's the best one. Freedom of the press and freedom
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to freedom to assemble are how our founders chose to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: try to protect this nation from government tyranny. That's why
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it's first right. The second Amendment is the second Amendment
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: is a whole nother argument that I think is way
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: too political for me to touch. But the first Amendment,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I think we should all rally around and agree upon okay,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And it was very saddening that our government is taking
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the most signific steps in its history to censor in
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: silence American voices. On the creator side, the Supreme Court
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: actually said, is it possible, TikTok that you lose but
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: the creators will win? Do you think that's a possible
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: scenario here? TikTok said absolutely. If you don't think that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: TikTok Usa has First Amendment rights because of its parent company,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: at the very least, you must recognize that the creators
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: have First Amendment rights to choose the platform of their choice,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and they have First Amendment rights to receive speech from
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: any entity of their choice, whether that be a foreign
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: adversary or not. Again, propaganda is protected American speech. You
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: have the right to receive information from other countries, okay.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And the government does not have the right to say
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: we're going to restrict speech based on the content because
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: we don't like the content of that speech. So the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court completely shut the government down on that argument.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So they were only left with one leg standing, which
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: was the data privacy issue.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Which I still feel like they did a good job
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: based on what you've.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Explained saying this isn't a privacy issue where you would
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: be also censoring shee r atimu. Yeah right, so come on,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we're just not buying it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Again, we don't know what's in that sealed evidence. But again,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that's so shady. It is, it's so shady, and I
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: get that it's classified. But the government, the Supreme Court
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: does have an option of giving assigning TikTok an attorney
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that has national security clearance to view the data on
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: behalf of TikTok, and I think the Supreme Court might
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: We are all although very very confused because the only
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: opinion day before the band goes into effect was yesterday,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Wednesday the fifteenth, and they did not release an opinion
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: on TikTok. So everybody was sitting there at ten am
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: like ready to go waiting. I mean, people were outside
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court freezing their butts off, refreshing in the page,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: waiting for the opinion and it did not come. So
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: everybody is thoroughly confused on what that means. Yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I even asked you, what does this mean?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: You're kind of like, eh, I think it either means
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: they're going to just let the band go into effect,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: but essentially they still have to.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Rule on it sure.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Or they're going to issue a stay. They can actually
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: issue a stay at any time, and what is a stay.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: A stay is essentially kicking it down the road, saying
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: this is a complicated issue, we need more time to deliberate.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to just put a pause, meaning status quo,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: TikTok still runs, TikTok just goes about its own business
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: until we can figure this out. That's actually fine with
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: us because that at least kicks it over to Trump,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and Trump has absolutely committed to saving the platform again,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: though Trump is going to be presented with significant legal
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: challenges if he tries to do so through executive order.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: He does, though, have the absolute right to determine which
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: laws are enforced and which laws aren't. That is the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: power of the executive branch. The legislature actually makes the laws,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and the president enforces the laws, and so Trump has
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the authority to say I'm not enforcing this law. And
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: in fact, Pam Bondy, who is the new US Attorney
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: General coming in under Trump, it was brilliant, I thought
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: yesterday because they really threw some really tough questions about
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the TikTok band at her, and she seamlessly navigated them
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: without saying yes, I will enforce it or no, I
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: won't enforce it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: That's hard to do.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Essentially she used lawyer talk, right because she's an attorney,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to say I cannot comment on pending litigation, which is true.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Attorneys should not be commenting on pending litigation. That is
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: in their ethics, right, But they kept pushing her anyway,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: but she stood her ground and said I can't comment
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: on pending litigation.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And so essentially, you know, the media is saying, oh,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: that means she's not going to enforce the band. She's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: not credible, She's not you know, going to do her job. Well,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean she has to do what the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: president tells her to do. She does not have sole
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: decision making to enforce the law the president of the
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: United States does. She can't blame Pam BONDI.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You can get mad at Trump, yeah, I mean it
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: already is anyway, I can get that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: All that depends on who you talk do. But a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: lot of people, yes, don't like Trump that we know that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: But you can't get mad at Pam BONDI she's just
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: doing a job, right, Like, she's just going to do
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: what her boss tells her to do. Right, don't get
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: mad at Pam.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Don't get mad at Pam.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Don't get mad at Pam. Okayam, leave Pam out of this. Which,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: speaking of women, she nailed it manyah, she nailed it
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: in her answer. When she just they kept pressing her
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and pressing her and pressing her, trying to get her
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to crack to see if she would say, yes, I
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: will enforce it no matter what. And again she she
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: just has to do what her boss tells her to do.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, could she try to step outside
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and do something that Trump says not to do. I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: guess she could, but I don't know what would happen
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to her. I don't know how that works, right of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: like the enforcement of power there, and I don't either.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend that I do. But I
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: think what's important to remember is so many people have
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: put their irons in this fire. Okay. Trump submitted an
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: amicus brief to the Supreme Court, and amicus brief is saying, hey,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just a friend of the court that has a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: vested interest in this case. And I think what you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: should do is just not rule on this. I think
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you need to punt it over to me and let
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: me figure this out through geopolitical negotiation, which would absolutely
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: be the best thing. Absolutely yeah, right, because then not
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: only is it a negotiating tool with China, but then
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Trump has the sole decision as to what is considered
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: an appropriate divestiture to fulfill the law. And when they
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: wrote this law, I don't think at least the Democrats
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: assumed that Trump was going to be president. Yeah, because
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that gives the president a lot of power. It gives
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Trump the power to determine who is and who is
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: not a foreign adversary, and if they are, what platforms
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: we can engage with As a result of that, that
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: gives a president a lot of power. And I do
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: think that the Supreme Court might see that as an
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: overreach of one of the branches, because the Court's job
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: is to essentially make sure that neither the Congress nor
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the President takes too much power and has too much
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: overreach over the peace people. The creators submitted an amicus
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: brief and actually had representation arguing for them in front
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of the court, So this just isn't TikTok Usa fighting
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the government. This is the American people fighting the government. Absolutely,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: this is you know, those creators. I think it was
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: a creators. They represent me. They are representing me, Sarah Hensley.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: You wanted to go.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go, and I wanted to be on
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit, but I missed the train. I think that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you had to be like really fast and.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Do you still have your call tomorrow?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I do. I think that's something I should mention here.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So I made a video that went very very viral
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: a few days ago, basically hopping on board with Senator
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Marky and Congressman are Representative row Kanna, who jointly sponsored legislation.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: So Representative conna is with the House of Representatives Ed
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Markey as a Senator, and bills really need joint support
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of both houses of Congress in order to make any headway,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So they put out a video. I was one of
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the first people to see this video. It just happened
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: to come on my for you page when it was
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: like brand new, So I immediately made a video sort
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: of sharing what they said to do on how to organize.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: What they wanted was for everybody to make a TikTok
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: video saying what TikTok means to them and tag both
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of them in it. And essentially they said, what we're
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: going to do is we're going to show all of
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: our colleagues these videos. We're going to push it in
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: their faces. We're gonna make your voice very loud to
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: our colleagues. Right. And then they also wanted us to
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: any video made opposing the band to tag them as well.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: So they just wanted basically their inboxes to be flooded
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: with people talking to Congress, and then they were going
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: to take those voices and put them in front of Congress.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: So last night Ed Marquis gets on the Senate floor,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: he essentially says, there's only there's one legislative way to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: extend the TikTok band. We're not even going to try
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to take down the band. We're just gonna extend it
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and try to give us more time to figure this
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: out a little bit better. It had to procedurally go
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: through a unanimous vote on the Senate because in order
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: for to skip all the other procedures, it has to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: unanimously pass the Senate. So the way this works is
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: you present the bill on the floor, you say, I'm
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: taking it for a unanimous vote. All everybody has to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: do is just sit there and be quiet, unless nobody
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: raised their hand and says I oppose it passes. One
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: dude stood up and opposed it. One senator. His name
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: is Tom Cotton from Arkansas. So our job is to
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: call Tom Cotton and to make social media videos about
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Tom Cotton and to call this dude out. That should
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: actually be our sole mission in the next however many days,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: is to help this guy lose his seat because he
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  Speaker 2: does not serve the American people. He does not care
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  Speaker 2: about the voices of the American people. When all the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: other senates seemed to kind of get the picture that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: America was pissed and that they made a decision that
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: was against the interest of the American people.
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  Speaker 1: So when one opposes, do they have to state why?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: And he sat on a throne of lies okay, and
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  Speaker 2: said that that TikTok was Chinese propaganda that is ruining
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  Speaker 2: and poisoning the minds of our children, and that it
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  Speaker 2: is a Chinese spyware app I'm dying.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's first of all, it's a little delusional.
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  Speaker 2: It's completely Delulu. First of all, the Supreme Court already said,
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  Speaker 2: if you are saying that the reason you want to
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  Speaker 2: ban this app is because it's Chinese propaganda, let me
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: tell you right now, you've already lost. Yeah, okay, And
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the government was like, no, no, no, that's not what Congress thinks.
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  Speaker 2: They tried to really backpedal that when they got the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: pushback from the Justice says that if that's what you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do here, you've already lost.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: They were. I mean, I told you that the US
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Solicitor General was scrambling. But then this congressman stands up
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  Speaker 2: and confirms what the court was asking, does Congress view
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  Speaker 2: it as this, because if they do, if that's the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: reason for making this law, you guys have lost. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: was like, somebody please send his his his comments to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court to just reiterate that this is a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: content based ban. But then he tried to say it
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: was us it was a spyware app. It's not a
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: spyware app. A spywear app is something that when it's
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: installed on your phone, tracks all the data from your phone. TikTok.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: The application is not a spyware app. This is about
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: data privacy sharing, So that's a lie that this is spyware.
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  Speaker 1: I actually got a chance from your video that I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: watched and it was great, well done. I tell her
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: all the time, guys that she missed her calling. She
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: should also go into politics.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I really want a primary Andy Barr, Right, I'm so
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  Speaker 2: mad Win.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little biased, but I think you
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: could win. But I had the pleasure of reading some
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: of the comments and they're really moving, right, that these
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: people that the impact and you know, just the profound
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: things that have happened to their lives because of TikTok. Yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I read, you know, somebody's comment that said
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that they had been through a terrible divorce and finding
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: your content kind of helped them, you know, get through
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the divorce. I mean there was just tons of you know,
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  Speaker 1: people learning how to bake sourdough bread and you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: all these like hobbies that people have learned.
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  Speaker 2: People with chronic illnesses that have never had a diagnosis
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  Speaker 2: that finally found a diagnosis and ended up being correct
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and it changed their life. YEA seven million small businesses.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: That isn't even the TikTok. We're not even talking about
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: people who make money through TikTok. Right, we're talking about
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: just people like me that promote their business on TikTok.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Seven million small businesses rely so on TikTok for their marketing.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: That does not include the millions of creators that monetize
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: on that platform and who have left their jobs to
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: monetize on that platform. And I think the most hurtful
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: pushback creators have gotten is well, maybe you should go
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: get a real job. Those people clearly have no idea
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: how time consuming it is to be a content creator.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: As a as a content creator, it is a real job.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Content creation takes me the most time, even from compared
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to coaching, it takes me the most time.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Well, and people who think that way are really out
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of touch with reality. It is the future, you know.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: We live in a digital landscape and the majority of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: economic growth is going to be there. So it's a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: real job.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It is a real job. It's a hard job. It's
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a time consuming job.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Not to mention, it's putting yourself out there and getting
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of backlash.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And dealing with haters and dealing with nasty, ugly people
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: who might say something. Luckily, I don't have very much
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: of that on my page, a lot of love on
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: my page, because we're a page about love.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Many, many people have put their absolute heart and soul
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: into this like I have. And for the government to
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: be so out of touch and to be so blatantly
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: obviously banning this because they don't like the content is
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: a direct violation of the Constitution. And I think that's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: where we can kind of probably wrap it up.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you did a wonderful job of explaining it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Some of it was a little over my head, to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: be honest, but you did a really great job.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Of Well I tried. It's very complicated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very complex, and I do think that
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  Speaker 1: you in another life you might need to be an
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  Speaker 2: I almost went to law school. I was this close.
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  Speaker 2: going to go to law school or am I going
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to go into psychology? And I love the law. I
• 43:52
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  Speaker 1: You go hand in hand they do.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I find politics really fascinating. If I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to deal with that level of scrutiny and campaigning
• 44:04
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