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IFH 838: Finding a New Creative Path in Indie Film with Charmane Star · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: On this episode, I'm talking to a former adult actress
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  Speaker 3: who is going into the acting and modeling. She's actually
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  Speaker 3: been doing it for a few years now. She's started
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  Speaker 3: in Black Dynamite, and she's also starting in Catch twenty two,
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  Speaker 3: which is actually released this year. It's actually released a
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  Speaker 3: couple of months ago. And we just had josh On
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  Speaker 3: on the last episode and he actually was the director
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  Speaker 3: of the project. Really quickly, I know we briefly talk
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  Speaker 3: about the adult film world. Sorry, if I could actually talk.
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  Speaker 3: We do briefly talk about the adult film world from
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  Speaker 3: and honestly, it's probably one percent of this conversation. So
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  Speaker 3: if you're, you know, maybe tuning in to hear more
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  Speaker 3: about that, I'm sorry. We're not really going to talk
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  Speaker 3: too much about that. Literally, it's like one percent and
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  Speaker 3: nineteen percent is about just the crazy world we call
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  Speaker 3: the indie filmmaking world. With guest Charmaine Starr. Hi, Charmaine,
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  Speaker 3: thanks all for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Hi Dave, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's my pleasure to have you here. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask Charmain, you know, how you got
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  Speaker 3: started in the film industry. It's a question I ask
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  Speaker 3: everybody because nobody has the same exact story, and I
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  Speaker 3: just wanted to ask, you know, how did you find
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  Speaker 3: yourself in the film industry?
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  Speaker 5: How I found myself in the film industry. It wasn't
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  Speaker 5: It was not too long ago. I was in the
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  Speaker 5: I started in the adult industry for quite some time,
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  Speaker 5: about fifteen years. I you know, I did various films,
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  Speaker 5: adult films, magazines, I you know, so I built a
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  Speaker 5: name for myself, and I think it was around two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and six or seven.
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  Speaker 4: My agent had a booking for me.
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  Speaker 5: The director specifically wanted me in the movie, so I
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  Speaker 5: didn't have to cast for this role. And it was
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  Speaker 5: a very short role.
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  Speaker 4: It was for Black.
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  Speaker 5: Dynamite, and I didn't think anything of it. I thought
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  Speaker 5: it was just you know, a usual mainstream because I've
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  Speaker 5: done a few mainstreams for you know, I've shot for HBO, Cinemax,
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  Speaker 5: some commercials. So I thought it was okay, you know,
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  Speaker 5: just a little mainstream role. And then when I you know,
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  Speaker 5: when I shot the film, everybody was really amazing, the
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  Speaker 5: cast and crew, the director, you know, Michael Jai White,
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  Speaker 5: you know, everybody was really nice, and it was you know,
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  Speaker 5: it was only a few days that I shot the film.
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  Speaker 5: A year later, they gave me a call and they
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  Speaker 5: said that the film was going to be in Sundance
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  Speaker 5: Film Festival and that I was invited. So I thought
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  Speaker 5: that I was surprised that this film, you know, was
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  Speaker 5: went so big. And when I went to the film
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  Speaker 5: Film Festival sen Dance Film Festival, I got picked up
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  Speaker 5: right away by Sony Pictures, and you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, I I.
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  Speaker 5: Went into this new world of the mainstream world of film,
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  Speaker 5: and I fell in love.
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  Speaker 4: I loved it.
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  Speaker 5: That's how I started in the film the you know,
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  Speaker 5: mainstream film industry.
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  Speaker 3: So just to go back to when they first approached
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  Speaker 3: you about being in Black Dynamite, So, what were your
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  Speaker 3: first impressions of actual of actually the film industry of
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  Speaker 3: you know, having to sort of you know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of waiting around. As they say, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of downtime, so you know, did you find it a
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  Speaker 3: lot more sort of hectic, slower faster? You know, what
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  Speaker 3: were your first impressions of it?
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  Speaker 5: Well, my first impressions were it was just it's just
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  Speaker 5: like the same set that I you know, in the
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  Speaker 5: adult industry. It was I mean, it's a big production.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't really nervous because it was just a set,
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  Speaker 5: but I was kind of nervous because there was just.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit more people.
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  Speaker 5: There's just a lot more people involved, and it was
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't you know, the cast and crew and director
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't familiar with. So you know, there was some downtime,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, that's just how it how it is.
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  Speaker 5: You know, even in the adult industry, there's always a
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  Speaker 5: lot of downtime, you got to wait for your scene.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm used to that, so, you know, there wasn't
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  Speaker 4: anything new.
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  Speaker 5: Uh. The only thing was just getting used to different
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  Speaker 5: people around me, you know, the director and the cast,
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  Speaker 5: because you know, I come from a different world of film,
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  Speaker 5: so just meeting regular actors and you know, from that
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  Speaker 5: side of the world. It's very interesting because they were
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  Speaker 5: surprised about me because I was, you know, a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more confident in you know, the scene because in
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  Speaker 5: the scene I was, you know, I should be naked,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, when I started this, you know this
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  Speaker 5: they shot the scene, I had a robe on.
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  Speaker 4: So when the director said, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, he was ready, I you know, I was confident.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't feel kind of insecure a while not showing
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  Speaker 5: my body. But it's funny because the crew around me
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  Speaker 5: were actually more shy, you know, they were like kind
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  Speaker 5: of looking away, making me feel comfortable.
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  Speaker 4: Like are you okay? Here, here's a towel.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, no, no, no, it's okay. I'm you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 4: So it was it was very it was nice.
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  Speaker 5: It was sweet, you know, they you know, that's the
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  Speaker 5: only thing that was different.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Lloyd Kaufman from Troma Entertainment. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you know who Lloyd is. I taught, so he's
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  Speaker 3: he's been producing movies for like thirty years. And one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that he he found was that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: certain like actresses, whenever they have to do like a
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  Speaker 3: nude scene like that or maybe you know, be in
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  Speaker 3: front of the camera like that, they all they just
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  Speaker 3: the day of the shoot, they get very tense. They
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  Speaker 3: start having you know, they start you know, saying, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to do this. And
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  Speaker 3: that's when he basically he approached like Jenna Jamison at
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  Speaker 3: the time, and said, you know, would you want to
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  Speaker 3: do a scene where we can just have you neon
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  Speaker 3: in front of the camera. And she said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so used to it. It's you know, it's like
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  Speaker 3: another day at the office, so to speak. That's when
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  Speaker 3: he started getting like, you know, more adult performers than
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  Speaker 3: some of his movies to do scenes like that because
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  Speaker 3: they are so comfortable with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I totally agree with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's because of that, you know, being comfortable
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  Speaker 5: in front of the camera, being professional, knowing the lighting,
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  Speaker 5: knowing your surroundings, you know, it's much easier to work
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  Speaker 5: with somebody, you know, in that if there's a particular
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  Speaker 5: scene that has that someone has to be naked or
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  Speaker 5: you know, uh, it's it's not as it's not as
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  Speaker 5: hard to deal with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so when you finally saw a Black Dye,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you were you were showing a screening of it,
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  Speaker 3: did you ask what did you think of the movie? Initially,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean it is a playoff for like the
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  Speaker 3: Grindhouse seventies movies, and and you know, being a film
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  Speaker 3: nerd with no life, I really, you know, got the
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  Speaker 3: movie right off the bat. I thought it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm interested to know your thoughts. You know, what
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  Speaker 3: was your first impressions of the movie.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the first time I saw the film, I saw
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  Speaker 5: it at Sundance Film Festival.
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  Speaker 4: I never went to the screen.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it was it was the premiere there and
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  Speaker 5: to see myself in the big screen was amazing. Was
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  Speaker 5: I was, I don't know, I had a eerie feeling
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  Speaker 5: it was. It was amazing. And when I saw the
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  Speaker 5: whole film, because I you know, I knew it was
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  Speaker 5: a Kung Fu seventies, you know, black exploitation film, I
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  Speaker 5: just you know, I didn't see the whole film because
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  Speaker 5: I only had those two days or few days of shooting.
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  Speaker 5: And I absolutely loved it. I thought it was hilarious
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  Speaker 5: because I'm you know, I'm I'm from California. I grew
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  Speaker 5: up in the eighties nineties, so like the whole you know,
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  Speaker 5: the style and the attitude and the slang.
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  Speaker 4: I got it all. I understood it. I was laughing
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  Speaker 4: the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 4: It was amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And plus I loved the whole Kung Fu thing too,
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  Speaker 5: It was amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was. It was great as well.
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  Speaker 3: Especially you know again, it was a throwback those that
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  Speaker 3: seventies grindhouse feel to it. And I'm glad that it
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  Speaker 3: took a you know, a quote unquote risk with that movie, because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, nowadays everything either has to be a reboot
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  Speaker 3: or it has to be an existing intellectual property, and
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  Speaker 3: it's it's you know, whenever you see a new, fresh
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  Speaker 3: movie like this come out. It's too often that movies
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  Speaker 3: like this to just get buried because you know that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, things happened by by a panel and they go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, black dynamite or whatever. No one's gonna want
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  Speaker 3: to watch that. But I'm glad that it actually got
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  Speaker 3: the promotion that it deserves because it was a fantastic film.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yes, it was. You know, it's it's original. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's not you know, there was there weren't anty parts
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  Speaker 5: where it was taken from another film or this and that.
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  Speaker 4: It was just it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was a.
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  Speaker 4: Collaboration, but it was done very well.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it took you know, it just got all
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  Speaker 5: these little parts of history that that everybody, any American
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  Speaker 5: you know, like understands.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was very interesting, you know. Like I saw the
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  Speaker 5: film a few times in America because there are there
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  Speaker 5: were a few festivals, and the premiere was at the
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  Speaker 5: Arc Light in Hollywood. I also attended the American Deville
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  Speaker 5: Festival in France, and when they played the film in
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  Speaker 5: front of the French people, Uh, it was surprisingly not
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  Speaker 5: funny for them. You you can you can hear, like
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  Speaker 5: just there were only two people laughing in the whole
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  Speaker 5: uh theater, and it was just me and the director.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't anyone else like it was. So it was
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  Speaker 5: weird because they didn't understand the you know, the the
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  Speaker 5: American you know, humor per se, so you didn't hear
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  Speaker 5: you They were just kind of watching it like what
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  Speaker 5: is this? So it was weird, but it was it
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  Speaker 5: was very interesting to see, you know, that movie in
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  Speaker 5: a different country and there's reaction.
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  Speaker 4: It was very it was funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that brings up a good point just about
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  Speaker 3: you know, the sort of cultural differences, you know, between
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  Speaker 3: American humor and maybe French humor. You know, I think
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  Speaker 3: it was I think it was John Carpenter who said
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  Speaker 3: that in France he's a horror filmmaker. In uh, in
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  Speaker 3: England he's a I'm sorry. In France he's an all
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  Speaker 3: tour in England he's a horror filmmaker, and in America
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  Speaker 3: he's a bum. And basically what he meant by that
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  Speaker 3: was they all have different interpretations of everything, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: John Carpenter's is a genius as well, and uh, but
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  Speaker 3: it's just but it's just always interesting to see those
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  Speaker 3: types of things. And as we speak about that, Charmaine,
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  Speaker 3: one of the things that I heard about was that
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  Speaker 3: movie studios now are thinking about releasing different cuts of
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  Speaker 3: the different of the film, so like you might see
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  Speaker 3: somewhere else more often they than they already do. Basically,
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  Speaker 3: that means so that way, it'll Playkate maybe audiences in China,
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  Speaker 3: and it'll Playcate audiences in France and Playcate audiences in
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  Speaker 3: German that way, instead of just trying to release the
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  Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, they already do that anyway, but
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  Speaker 3: now I'm saying like more and more so, and it's
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  Speaker 3: probably gonna come to the indie level as well, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, just so again because now Netflix is everyone
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  Speaker 3: has Netflix nowadays. So yeah, but but to avoid something
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  Speaker 3: like that where there was almost like no, you know,
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  Speaker 3: no laughter in the whole theater.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was funny.
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  Speaker 5: It was like they yeah, they had no clue what
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  Speaker 5: you know why it was funny. And you know, like
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  Speaker 5: the scene where you know, like they were at the
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  Speaker 5: restaurant and how they discovered chicken and waffles. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know if you remember that scene
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  Speaker 5: where when they said chicken and waffles and we know,
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  Speaker 5: chicken and waffles. You know, it's a very American, you
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  Speaker 5: know thing. And in France they were just like uh okay,
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  Speaker 5: and they're just like oh god. And I had to
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  Speaker 5: like hide myself from laughing because I know the movie
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  Speaker 5: is funny, and the people around me were just like,
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  Speaker 5: what's so funny? So it was yeah, but it was interesting,
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  Speaker 5: it was it was fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm glad you had a good experience, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with it, because you know, sometimes, you know, on first
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  Speaker 3: movie sets like that, some again, like I was saying
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  Speaker 3: about downtimes and things like that, some people can could
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  Speaker 3: sort of come away and be like, yeah, I did
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  Speaker 3: that once and never again. And I'll give you an
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  Speaker 3: example of that. I was on a film set run time,
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  Speaker 3: and we had to be in a bar and this
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  Speaker 3: bar saying this is years ago when I was doing
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  Speaker 3: background work, and I actually was in this bar in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of August and here in Philadelphia, and it
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  Speaker 3: was so hot and they had to turn off the
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  Speaker 3: air conditioner in the bar. When I walked out, I
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  Speaker 3: literally looked like I jumped in a pool. And I
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  Speaker 3: got back out, I was like, my shirt, it was
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  Speaker 3: a blue shirt I was wearing. You could like it
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  Speaker 3: was just all this yeah, yeah, And a couple of
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  Speaker 3: people were like, hey, this is you know, our first thing,
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  Speaker 3: Like is this what this is like? Because We're never
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  Speaker 3: going to do it again. And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is just a bad situation.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So as you sure, you know, as you completed Black Dynamite,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know what, did you want to go
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  Speaker 3: back in the in the into the film world or
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  Speaker 3: maybe even TV. Did you you say to maybe your
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  Speaker 3: age or manager at the time, if you had one, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I want to get more parts like this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I did after I had that experience,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I I've kind of I think during that time,
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  Speaker 5: I think it was two thousand and eight nine, I
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  Speaker 5: was at the level of my adult career where I
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  Speaker 5: didn't have to shoot as much. You know, I've already
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  Speaker 5: built a name for myself. So I had different goals
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  Speaker 5: of you know, changing my career, you know, crossing over
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  Speaker 5: you know, talking to my managers and agents and telling them, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: if if there are any you know, mainstream you know,
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  Speaker 5: television films, you know, bring them my way. I you know,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't want to do scenes anymore. They're you know,
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  Speaker 5: like boy girl scenes. But I was only particular to
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  Speaker 5: doing just girl girl scenes. So I slowly changed my career.
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  Speaker 5: And I also featured dance, so I you know, I
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  Speaker 5: traveled a lot, you know, once or twice a month,
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  Speaker 5: feature dancing all over, you know, all over the country.
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  Speaker 4: So that took up a lot of my time.
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  Speaker 5: That way, I didn't have to shoot adult film, and
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  Speaker 5: I can focus on you know, crossing over. So I
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  Speaker 5: I did, you know, I I shot a lot of uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for Cinemax, you know, the the I was
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  Speaker 5: a series regular on you know, on you know those
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  Speaker 5: sex what is it?
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  Speaker 4: I forgot those It's.
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  Speaker 5: Been a while here, you know, the the softcore you know,
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  Speaker 5: the skin and Max stuff. So that even though it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't I mean, it was mainstream, but you know, I
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  Speaker 5: I I was, you know, I was interested in doing
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: more of film. I liked the whole world of film,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: especially indie film. So I found another agent that was
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: specializing in in just film, and I did a lot
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: of you know, I tried. I did cast Staying, I
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: cast it for some parts, but it never worked out.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I was never picked or anything. So
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: the next film that I did, it was the Face
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: of Evil and it was actually a friend of mine.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: He was you know, he was involved in the mainstream industry,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: and he asked me if I was interested or just
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: can you read for this film that I'm you know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: my friend is doing he's directing, And I said, okay,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: I'll give it a try. And the director asked me,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: would you like there was two parts when it was
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: the main role or this other role, And he told
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: me that the other role fit me best because of
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: my personality, because he says I can bring it out more.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: So I just I also took that as an opportunity
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: like it was.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: It was very I don't know, like the two.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Films that I've done, they've came to me, which I'm
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: grateful for. So I never really had the opportunity to
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: really you know, like other actors, you know, where they
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: have to cast and then they get picked, but you
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: have to do more casting, you know how like they
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: like a reoccur, you know, they have to cast again
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: or read again.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I never had that opportunity.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So when we talk about casting, Sherman, I wanted to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: actually ask, did you ever found yourself maybe you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: type cast or maybe we're given similar roles and meaning
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: like you know, I've had friends of mine who are
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: from the Middle East. They're their Middle Eastern background, and
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: they said they've the only things that we ever get
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: are two things. Number one is like an Indian shop clerk,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: or number two is playing like a suspicious terrorist type.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: And I and they, they always they always talk to
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: me about that, and I just wanted to ask, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: do you ever find yourself typecast and in roles maybe
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: at all? Or do you do you do you not
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: experience that?
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: I think I've gotten type cast before a few times,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: you know, Asian girl, either Asian or and I'm you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I'm comfortable doing nudity. I'm also and yeah, just a
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: sex you know, like if I could, if I'm able
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: to show my boobs or you know, be naked, uh so,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: but not really well, yeah that's it. And then like
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: when you know the new that other film Catch twenty two,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: it was an Asian girl, but you know, I was
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: approached with that that character, so I never really had
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: to I mean I never had to cast for that either,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: which is hey, that was nice, you know, but yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I I never really experienced it, you know, So.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, now, I mean I always just wanted to ask
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: that because, you know, again because I was well, because
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: the reason I brought that up was because I had
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: a friend of mine who was bringing that up again
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: about that whole thing about being being sort of typecasted,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: and I just saw I always you know, I always
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: asked that to actors too, because sometimes even when a
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: person plays a bad guy, you know, they never get
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: out of playing a bad guy. There always a bad guy.
• 19:57
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• 20:04
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• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you know, I mean right now, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: I I you know, I'm comfortable showing my body, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: and I'm Asian.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: So that's pretty much my category right now. And the
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: two films that I know.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I'm you know, I've I'm naked and you know I'm Asian.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: But you know, it is what it is, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: it's it's a part sometimes. I mean, you can't. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: can't change into a Latina or a black girl also,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, my my prediction is this, in the
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: next I think five to actually probably serving that probably
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: next three to five years, I think the the roles
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: for Asians are going to skyrocket because they're the the
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: market over there. Japan's always you know, Japan and Japan,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: but China they have the largest film industry in the world. Sorry,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: they are really Yeah, they actually I'm sorry, Actually Bollywood
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: is still number one, but but China's coming it was
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: fast becoming number one. And then you have obviously Vietnam's
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: on the rise. South Korea is also Uh. They have
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: a wonderful film market. Some of the best filmmakers in
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the world actually come from South Korea.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: And I mean it's just been That's why I think
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: you're going to start seeing. And then again I mentioned Bollywood,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: which is in India. I meant I'm predicting there's going
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to be a lot more different types of roles also,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: because if Hollywood wants to keep exporting movies to those
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: big markets, they're going to have to appeal to those markets.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: So that's why I think those Asian Asian roles are
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: just going to not be so stereotyped anymore and they're
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: going to be more wide open.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm seeing that. I'm seeing you know, because.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, the world is getting bigger, and you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: the attention is you know, there's a lot, there's a
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: bigger it's a bigger world out there. Actually, there's a
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: former adult film star. Her name is Sunny Leone. Oh yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: she's huge in Bollywood.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: She's an actress. She does the mainstream. She's there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: She's like, she's so famous there, and it's crazy. Surprisingly,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: she came from the adult and they've accepted her, you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: and changed her career, and now she's a big superstar there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm sorry, I mean to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: cut you off.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, go ahead.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I was just I mean, as we talked about Sonny Leone,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you know, she made the transition from you know, adult
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: films to to mainstream.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: You know Sasha Gray too, she yea as well. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and she's been in a in a ton of stuff.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I was actually watching a horror movie and she just appeared.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, there's Sasha. He was like, I
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: didn't even know she was in this, but yeah, you
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: know it's it's uh, I forget the girl's name. It'll
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: come back to me as soon as we're off off
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: this call, but off the podcast. But I remember, Oh,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Tracy Lords, That's what I was thinking.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, Tracy Laurd She's yeah, she's one of the
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: original Yeah, the original, yes, crossover.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I see her. You know, she's in a
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: ton of movies. Now, she's in a lot of horror
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: movies now. But but yeah, I mean it's just you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: just I was just giving me examples again as we
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: talked about, you know, sort of making that transition, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: those names just popped in my head. But you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: just back to your career, Charmaine, you mentioned Face of Evil.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: You know, how did you go about getting that role?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Was did your did your manager sort of find you
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the audition and you went and you auditioned and got
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the part.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: No. Actually, a friend of mine, he's a publicist and
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: he works in the mainstream industry, and he was reading
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: for that that particular script and he asked me, his
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: friend that the director is looking for, you know, just
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: a few people to read for, you know, these two roles.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: And he asked me if I was interested in reading
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: for the roles. And I read two different characters and
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: the director gave me one part. And you know, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: was honored. I was like, Okay, great, this is another film,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: another opportunity.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: And it was pretty big.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, there was a lot of characters I got
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: to meet, uh because it was it's a good film.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: It's a very interesting film. I I've never done a
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: zombie film. I've never done like anything horror, horrific or anything,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: and especially with.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: You know, makeup, you know, and just uh playing a.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Role that I've never played before, like just ugly and
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: zombie and making weird noises. I really had to do
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: the whole of that. And it was it was it
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: was nice. It was very interesting. I was I'm glad
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: to have that opportunity. A friend of mine, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: gave me that opportunity. So it wasn't very hard. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: was lucky to you know, get that part. Uh, And
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: it was fun. It was a really really fun, interesting
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: film to shoot. We shot in like a really broken
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: down house. Every scene was a night scene, so we
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: had to start at like, you know, in the evening
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: till like six.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: In the morning. And during that I think we shot it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I shot it for like a few three weeks or something,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: and one week I was in jury duty and it
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: was the same week where I had to wear like
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: zombie makeup. And it was so difficult because I told
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: the director one night, I said, I'm sorry, I have
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: to get up. I had to get off early because
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: I have jury duty at like seven in the morning,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: and he, you know, and you know how directors are
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: they want you to stay until they finished something.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: So I ended up staying really late.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: And I mean I had to drive home in the
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: sun with like zombie makeup, and I literally looked so
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: scary driving home with a scary face. Oh my god,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I look like I look like a crackhead, Like seriously
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: driving home, you know, you know, zombie makeup.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: It's just like white face with like.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Just oh my god, lot you know, veins everywhere. It was.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: It was crazy.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: And then I had to go to jury duty. It
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: was amazing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So when you allut in for jury duty, did they
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: just say we're going to pasture?
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I mean no. And it's funny because once they said that,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: and I thought, you you know, sometimes when you're in
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: jury duty, you know, okay, you know there's like thirty
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: people and you know they only have to pick like twelve,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: and hello, they picked me.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: They picked me. I was I got so lucky.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I was one of the twelve people and I had
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: to go back again.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: It was crazy.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: But once we got to court, they dismissed the case,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: so I got, you know, even more lucky to not
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: go further.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: So you know that was that was good. Oh but yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: it was. It was a very interesting movie.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: The I actually there were a few moments, you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: because I had to be in makeup, and we had
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: the makeup artist. He was Japanese and he specialized and
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: you know those you know, the scary I don't know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: those zombie scary makeup and at night, it was just
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: you know, looking at myself in the mirror.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I you know, I would scare myself.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Like like when I would walk into the restroom and
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: had to pee and I would wash my hand. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: look up, I'm like, oh my god, I can't look
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: at my face. I can't look at myself. It's just
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: so scary.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: It's funny because I actually was was a background in
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: a horror movie once and I was like, I was
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a a corpse in a pile of dead bodies and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I had like this fake blood all over me. So
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I got it wht you know. So after the shoot
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: was over, I thought I had, you know, I took
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: like this wet white type thing, I wipe my face,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: and I thought I got it all done. So on
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the as we're driving home, I asked my friend, I'm like, listen,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: let me let's stop at this little uh, this little
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: like thrift store, uh slash bodego, whatever you want to
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: call it. And I was like, I want to grab
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: a drink. And I walk in and the one guy
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: behind the counter just like looks up and staring at me. Well,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I was like what the hell? I was like, what
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: do I got something on my face or something? I
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I still had blood and stuff all in my hair.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I look like I was in probably a car accident,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: and just sort of walked in and he Luckily, though
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: it's Philadelphia, I just kind of blended in eventually.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: But oh my goodness.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Right, see I was in LA and I was in
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: a car and they're just like, okay, this is you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: and it's kind of acceptable. It's like, okay, this is
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: an actor, you know, as an actress, you know, but yeah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: it's isn't.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: It funny you just you just forget that you look
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, really it's it's it's sort of like out
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: of sight, out of mind.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: It was a good film.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: It was really the characters, you know, the the other
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: my fellow actors, they were all mainstream actors.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Jamie Bernadette, She's she was the lead role.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: She does she she does a lot of horror films.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: She she's from, you know, she comes from that side
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: of the world of all horror films, and you know
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: she's used to it. So she kind of taught me
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: a little bit because you know, being a zombie, playing
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: a zombie character, you have to you know, for me,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: my experience is to look glamorous and smile and you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: like have seduction in my eyes and all this stuff.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: So I had to remove all of that. And directors like.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: I want you to sneer, and I'm like, what's sneer?
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: He goes to sneer.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: This is it's like a sound and you gotta go,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: you know, like just sneer like a zombie.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, how do you do that? So he's like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: come on, you gotta be serious, and I'm like, oh
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: my god, I have to.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: And I had to get into this weird zombie role,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: you know, I and I did.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: It was nice.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: It was very I'm glad that I can. You know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I'm able to change, you know, my this character or
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: my you know the side of me and go in
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: a different direction.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very nice.
• 29:56
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• 30:02
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• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always fun. When ever, we were able to
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: sort of step into a character and try out new things,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: you know, it's always it's always sort of great too.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: That's why as again we go back to sort of typecasting.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: That's why, you know, if you're always playing a bad guy,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you sort of have to it's a little bit more
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: difficult to try new things because again you're always a
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: bad guy. But when you're able to sort of step
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: in different characters, it's great to being able to try
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: out this stuff, like you know, obviously being able to
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: play a zombie and finding out you know, almost beyond pantomime.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: You have to sort of come up with all of
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: this almost like a U you know, on the spot.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then I had to die, you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: even dying, you know, I have to do like the
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: little shake and the eyes rolling back, and.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: You know, that was very interesting to do. You know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: it was fun.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: And then blood coming out of my mouth, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: like spitting it out, and you know, just it was
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: very fun.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I loved it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I loved I loved all that, uh with you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: special effects, blood and contacts and you know, it was
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: it was fun.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I loved it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that too, because sometimes, again,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you have to put fake blood in your mouth. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I remember I was on a set one time and
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: somebody actually said, he goes, I can't take the fake blood.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: And then and everyone was like, trust this, We're you're
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: only gonna have it in there for like five seconds.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna roll and shoot with it. And he goes,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: all right, fine, and he agreed to it, and that blood.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: He had to do it so many times and it
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: was like his teeth row all red by and then
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: he was like, he goes, yeah, that was five seconds,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: all right, but uh but he had a good laugh afterwards.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: But again, it's stuff like that, you know. That's why I,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I always ask about different film experiences because
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: it's always it's always fun to hear stuff like that,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know sometimes they say, oh, yeah, you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: just leave it in your mouth for a while and
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: we're gonna do it, and you actually are just sitting
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: there and you're just like you want to throw up,
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: like it just tastes nasty, you know, and you're just like, oh, well, yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: but it's fun. After that, it's like, Okay, I loved it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I loved it so.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: So so sure mane. After you know, you finished Face
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: of Evil, you know, you got to work on Catch
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: twenty two, which is how we met through Josh. Josh, Yeah,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to ask, how did you go about
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: getting this role? Did you sort of you know, have
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: it again, have a connection through your network or is
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: this something that you had to sort of audition for?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: My my agent, he he gave me a call and
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: he said that there was a mainstream role for you
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: that you need to read for. And I think I
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: was traveling at the time, and I think I I
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: think it was during the time that I was quitting
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the industry. I you know, I wanted to retire in
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: the adult industry. But this is He's like, this is
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: a mainstream film, you know, would you be interested?
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And I said, of course. So during that time I
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: casted for the role.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: He you know, it was he he was in New York.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: So I had to read my part, uh and I
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: had to you know, tape in on you know, video
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: and send it to him to see if I, you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: fit the part. And I think I've read it a
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: few times until Josh said, okay, you have the part
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: for the role, and.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I got the role.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: But during that time after that, after I got the role,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: I think it took a while for the film two
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: or the production to start.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: It took, I think a few years. We had to
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: build the.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Film, you know, like build some funding, and you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: I helped also promote the film, uh funding through my
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: you know, my social media, and you know, I was
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: dedicated to it. I said, anytime you guys are ready,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'll be there and ready.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Uh. He sent me the script and I read the
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: whole script.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: It was very interesting, so I you know, I I
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: wasn't really prepared until the product. Finally, the production was
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: ready after I think it was after two years or something.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: And during that I traveled quite some time during those
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: two years, and I think the finally the year we
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: shot the film, I was I was in between moving
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: from a different country and it was it was kind
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: of bizarre because you know, I was going back to
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: la and he said, the film is finally.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Ready to shoot in May.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: And this time I was I fell in love. I had,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: you know, my fiance and I oh, he was my
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: boyfriend at the time, and you know, we were I
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: was in the verge of moving either you know, from
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Los Angeles to France, and I was going back and forth,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: flying back and forth from the States to France. And
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: then in May, finally you know, we were ready, but
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: I wasn't ready because you know, this role, this character,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: she is a troubled girl. You know, you know, had
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: a lot of drugs involved and what else. Yeah, she's
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: just like just torn up, I mean beat up.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: And also she dies.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: So you know, I thought it was going to be like,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: you know, a little quick, little scene.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: But you know, they needed me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: For about I think like a week and a half.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: So every day, you know, like I kind of got nervous.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I said, okay, is there anything that you know, what
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: what do I need to do?
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: How do I need to prepare? So Josh, you.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Know, he asked, me, okay, do a little research. Watch
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: some films you know about heroin and and drugs and
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: you know, and and some you know, like just thriller movies.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: And then I started thinking like, oh my god, this
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: is going to be you know, I have to play
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: a totally different character, like another like scary, weird, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: thriller film, and I have to I don't know, I
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: just didn't know what I was going to get myself into.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: So I kind of got a little nervous.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: But but he, you know, he assured me that, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: it's okay, you know, don't worry, It's not really you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: it's not going.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: To be too crazy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: So when we shot the film in New York, I
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: met the rest of the characters. Everybody was amazing, Josh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: you know, everybody was. They made me feel comfortable because
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: I there was you know, like you know, there are
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: were some parts where I had to get beat up
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: by all of them, like there was you know, because
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: the movie, there were just different parts of they didn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: know how I died, so you know, there were different
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: scenes in me having to be you know, brutally abused
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: or kill and so you know, I it just didn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: make me feel I'm a very positive person, so I
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: just didn't want to I don't know, I've I wanted
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: to feel a little comfortable with that. So I I,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: you know, I asked Josh, like or or and the director,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, and the writer Shanie, you know, is there
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: something like you can you guys have like I don't know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: donuts around because you know, like that makes me feel
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: you know, it makes me feel like kind of happy
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: and good. You know, is it possible you can have
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: some donuts around because you know like that feeling of
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: just like this girl, you know, I don't know, she
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: just it just didn't it didn't make me feel happy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: So they had donuts for me ready until you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: after I got beat up, I had like, you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: here's your donuts. So I had a nice donor and
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: I was back to you know, being happy again.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: What kind of uh well there he had. They got
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: me a Dunkin Donuts.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: So that had like a variety of like glazed chocolate
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: and sprinkles.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: So I had a variety like a what is it?
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: What is it? The bear claw? I had all of that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: It was really good. So, yeah, it was It was interesting.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: It was very interesting this role.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Uh you know, like shooting a you know, I've never
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: i mean having a syringe. I mean it was a
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: fake syringe. But he's like, okay, you got to do
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: it this way. This is you know they have they
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: had like a little bag and you know it's like
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: a it's a process, you know, And I had you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: there was things that I had to do, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: and I didn't know how to, you know, it's crazy.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: I had to do all of these little things for
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: you know, the scene, and I said, okay, you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: you got to do this and you gotta do that.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: So it was very interesting to do. And then I
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: had to.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Die, you know, I I and I had to have
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: makeup again, like like I was dead.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: I had to have bruises on my face.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I was you know, they painted my face kind of white,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: you know, because I was. I was pretty much dead
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: in the tub. And it was funny because you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: there was there were there were a few instances where
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I had to you know, use the restroom and I
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: would scare myself again, Like I would go in the
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: bathroom at night because you know, and then the bathroom
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: was downstairs and I would forget that I had makeup
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: on my face and I would just scare myself again,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: you know, looking in the mirror like, oh my god,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I'm back at it again. You know.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's at least you didn't have to
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: go outside there or go to Joey duty for that one.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: It is funny because I had to be in makeup,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: like that all day, not only just evening, I mean
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: even during the day. So like at lunch too, Like
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: We'll all have lunch together and I have my robe
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: on and I have my death makeup, and I'm just like, hey, guys.
• 39:52
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• 39:57
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• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Outside.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: And we would eat outside and just people walking around
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: like looking at like who's this girl?
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: My god?
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: But it was fun, just another day in New York.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: City, right exactly right, So, but it was really much fun.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I had a great time.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, this is how I was speaking to Josh,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: you know, about how this whole movie sort of came together.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: You know you mentioned that, you know about two years
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: uh you know they he was actually talking about that
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: in his interview about how it came together, you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: finding the money, making sure the script is set, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: because that's that's always the big thing for for films,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: especially indie film is finding that money to be able
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: to make it to to payper you know, not only
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: to pay everyone you know about to pay your cast,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: but also pay your crew, locations, insurance, and and it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: just sort of it can it can you know, go
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: on for that for you know, a while, even years,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: because it's just that's one of the tricky things now
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: about but it's always been about indie film, is being
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: able to find enough money to make it and you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: sort of without making any sort of artistic compromises.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's you know, I'm glad you were you were,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: you know, you're able to to be and I am
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: glad that you were able to make it. And I
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: wanted to ask you, have you seen a final cut
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: of the film yet?
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes I have. We there there were.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: There was a film festival in Miami last year. I
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: attended that. It was our first film festival. H So,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I it was you know, I live here
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: in France now, so it wasn't it wasn't a long flight.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: It was about a six hours seven hour flight to Miami,
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: so you know, I was able to attend and it
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: was it was not It was amazing to see it,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: you know on the screen.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: It was really cool. I loved it. It was they've
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: done it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: You know. He did a really great job on the
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: edits and he also got a lot of amazing, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: good parts, you know, like that my good sides, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: my back and my hair.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Everything he did, he did really good. So I'm very
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: happy about that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: And hopefully the audience responded to it, not like what
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: they would have within France with Black Dynamite, So hopefully
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the audience that I.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Hope, So yeah, yeah, I hope. So I think a
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: lot of people could probably relate to this film. You know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's it's a horror or it's a thriller film,
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: you know, comedy, it's yeah, it's just particular because you
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: know every country they have different humors, but this is
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: a thriller, and I think a lot of uh, you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: everybody around the world can kind of relate to, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: some parts of this film.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I as we can sort of talk about
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: how everyone had Netflix and you know any film. You know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: those universal themes are more important now than ever, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: universal themes, you know, feelings of regret, revenge, all those
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: things that that no matter where you come from, everybody
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: can identify with in one way or another, or you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: whether they've happened to them or they know someone that
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: this has happened to, you know, love, love, peace, war, revenge,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: all those all those sort of universal themes.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: So you know, sure Meine. You know again, I was
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: talking to Josh about just the release of this film.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: You know what, do you have any sort of future
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: projects that you're working on right now, anything, anything that
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: maybe you're in pre production for, maybe anything that you're
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: writing yourself. Just is there anything that you're working on?
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Well, right now, you know, I'm working on being you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: settling down here in France. My fiance and I are,
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: you know, planning to marry soon, so you know, like
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: I have to do all the you know, all that
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: stuff preparing for a family. But in the business side,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not allowed to work here, so I'm
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: only doing a lot of conventions in the States. I
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: have a convention that's coming up in June in Chicago,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: and there's another one in New Jersey.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Uh and later in November.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: But that's pretty much basically what my schedule is this
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: year is just focusing on my marriage, you know, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: settling down here in France. That's kind of my first
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: priority because I yeah, it's it's you know, moving from
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: a different country. It takes some time, you know, and
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: you know, if if there is another festival, which actually
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: there is I'm sorry for the Face of Evil. There's
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: a i think it's the New York Film International Film Festival.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: It's in April, so the film will be premiering there
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: in April, but I'm not going to be attending.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, and I'll make sure to link that in the
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: show notes about that premiere though.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in New York, but yeah, it's
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: it's this is you know, this is a very critical
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: time for me of just putting family first, you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: for the first time, because I've you know, all throughout
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: my career, you know, it's always just.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Been me, me, me, me, and you know, my career.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: And my fiance is very supportive any any festival or anything,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: you know, well, I'm I'm you know, he supports it,
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: even any film. But I think for now, for this year,
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: I think that's kind of what my priorities are, you know.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: So after I think settling down and getting you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: being married, I will fight, you know, like try to
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: pursue my acting career, maybe here in Europe and find
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: an agency, you know, in the in London area because
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: they speak English and hopefully I can uh finally, you know,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: be fluent in French where I can start working here
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: in France. So I yeah, that's basically what my kind
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: of goals are right now.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna say, because you know, you know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: you're in France, and you know the United Kingdom is
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: isn't too far away, and you know, obviously a lot
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: of English you know language films do come to New Europe.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Uh because usually Europeans, as I've been to Europe several
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: times that I've noticed, they usually speak like their own language,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: you know, like Italian, but they also speak English or
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: they speak French, they also speak English. Yes, you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: I know foreign language sort of starts there very early.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: So so, and I've also have a ton of friends
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: from Australia and New Zealand who are actually moving to Britain,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: who are in the film industry and they're in the
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: like marketing promotion side, because it's just it's much bigger
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: than in Britain than it is in Australia and New Zealand.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: You know, It's funny.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: I've noticed there's a lot of British actors that are
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: moving into the Hollywood. I mean, I mean even on
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Netflix or even just film a lot of actors like
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: even you know, like Game of Thrones and Star Wars,
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: they're all like British actors.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: So I know that there are some you know, even films.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: They shoot a lot of films in in the London
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: area on the you know, on that side, so you
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: know they're there. You know, there could be some opportunity
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: for me there since it's much closer. So that's pretty
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm I'm gonna I'm looking into that this side,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: you know, this side of the the world.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there are a lot of British actors now
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Isn't it funny? Have you noticed, if you really think
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: about it, they're all British. They just speak they have
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: just an English accent.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think just Alba really started all
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: that because he was on the wire. Uh and now
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: he's doing now he's he has the best of both
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: worlds because now he's here and in and in England.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I love Yeah, he has a show on NETFLIXX Yes, Luthor,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I love I love Luthor. He's so good in that show.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: It's really really really good.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that crazy?
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: The first time I ever saw him was in the Wire
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: and he has that Baltimore accent. And then when I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: saw him, I forget what movie it was with that
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: British accent. It might have been Rock and Roller, but
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: he was he was I was like wow. I was like,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: he's you know, he's able to sort of do that
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: do both. And then then I was like, oh, somebody
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: goes you know, he's actually British, he's actually not American, Like, oh, well,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know because that he had that Baltimore
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: accent down absolutely phenomenal. I mean, I mean I have
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: no friends from Baltimore, and he sounded like he could
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: fit right in.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that interesting?
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Like it's crazy to hear a British person just completely
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: change into an American accent or like even or Boston
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: accent or you know, there's just different accent.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: It's so weird because for.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Me, I don't know if I can do that, you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: because you know, if I speak a little French, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: to my my my in laws, but I have an
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: American accent, you know, when I say something in French,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's like you can tell I'm American, you know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: but like other people, you know, like when they're fluent,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: you cannot tell, you know, but you can tell I'm American.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Jarmaine, we've been talking for about I think
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: thirty forty five minutes. I lost I've lost my timers.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: It's not on the screen right now, but I wanted
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: to ask, you know, is there anything maybe just in
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: closing that you wanted to discuss or maybe any sort
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: of final thoughts to put it put a period at
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: the end of this whole conversation.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I just want to say that, you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: I still want to pursue, you know, doing film, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: and you know, my career is still not over.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: You know, like this is just you know, my my
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  Speaker 4: personal life.
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  Speaker 5: It's like it's I'm grateful for everything, and I still
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  Speaker 5: want to pursue every you know, my my dreams as
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  Speaker 5: an actress. And you know, I'm I'm I've finally retired
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  Speaker 5: into in the adult industry.
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  Speaker 2: Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this year I was honored an induction of
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  Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame, which was you know, that's nice
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  Speaker 5: of them to do, you know, like, oh, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 5: in the Hall of fame. So that was nice and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and thank you, you know, thank you for you know this,
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  Speaker 5: this nice interview. And I hope Catch twenty two can
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  Speaker 5: be successful and you know, you know, catch everybody's eye
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  Speaker 5: on this film. It's a really great film. All the
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  Speaker 5: guys in the film, they're really great actors. Even though
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  Speaker 5: I had a short film, it was just a great
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to just be in you know, that world of film.
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  Speaker 3: So oh yeah, it's been a pleasure to have you here.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, and I'm definitely gonna you know, link
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  Speaker 3: to everything that we talked about in the show notes
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  Speaker 3: again for everyone listening. So, Charmain, where can you find
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  Speaker 3: you out online?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you can find me on my social media.
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  Speaker 4: It's very easy.
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  Speaker 5: It's just at charmein Star on my Twitter and my Instagram,
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  Speaker 5: and then I have a Facebook fan page, Charmain Star.
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  Speaker 5: And if you also want to read a lot of
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  Speaker 5: just hearsay what say is my blog Charmainstar dot com.
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  Speaker 3: And that's it, Charmain Star. I want to say thank
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  Speaker 3: you so much for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you Dave for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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  Speaker 2: so much for listening.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: As always, keep that hustle going, keep that dream alive,
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