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Episode 33: Everyone's Favorite Magizoologist · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode thirty three of Ravellio for
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  Speaker 1: November twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. I'm Amy, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Nicole, and I'm Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to our us listeners.
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  Speaker 3: Oho recording this early in our last episode that I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, Thanksgiving. Oh gosh, yeah, Happy Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thankful for you guys. Thank talking me into buying
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  Speaker 1: another Christmas tree.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean yeah, but before we started recording, we
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  Speaker 3: always have a lot of chatter, which is why, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: all of our intros are pretty awkward because we've already
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  Speaker 3: been talking for like half an hour before we press record.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we just had a pretty lengthy conversation about
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  Speaker 3: like all of us getting additional Christmas trees to yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because we've got so many Harry Potter ornaments, Taylor Swift ornaments,
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  Speaker 3: just general ornament ornaments. And yeah, we were talking about
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  Speaker 3: how many Christmas trees are too many, and I think
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  Speaker 3: we decided that the limit does not exist.
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  Speaker 1: No, exactly, Yeah, just live in a Christmas tree forest.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So in today's episode, we are going to be doing
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  Speaker 4: a deep character dive into Nute's commander. But first.
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  Speaker 3: Listening to w W in the Wizarding Wireless Network. Now
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  Speaker 3: for the latest headlines. So for this episode, because we're
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  Speaker 3: recording like a week after we just recorded, not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of news has come out in that week, but
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  Speaker 3: there are a few things that I thought it would add.
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  Speaker 3: So first, Tom Felton has officially made his Broadway debut
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  Speaker 3: and Curse Child and Tom will be starring as Draco
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  Speaker 3: Malfoy in Harry Potter and The Curse Child through May tenth,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. We've talked a lot about this. The
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  Speaker 3: whole reason why we're recording this episode early is because
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  Speaker 3: Amy and I are heading down to New York City
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  Speaker 3: next weekend when we normally record, to go see Tom
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  Speaker 3: and Curse Child. So I'm sure our next recording you'll
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  Speaker 3: hear all about what Amy and I thought of Tom
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  Speaker 3: coming back to reprise.
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  Speaker 4: His role, and we are looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you guys see the videos of him taking
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  Speaker 1: his first bow?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? I saw the video of him entering the scene
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  Speaker 4: for the first time, and the people there was like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, like thirty forty seconds of people going
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  Speaker 4: nuts and he's stayed in character, but you could see
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  Speaker 4: that he was savoring every single second of that inside.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that was so so good.
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  Speaker 3: I think this will be a very different kind of
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  Speaker 3: Broadway experience than normal because I've seen a couple different
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  Speaker 3: spots where they've had to take extended pauses due to
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  Speaker 3: audience cheering. It's like when he first enters the scene
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  Speaker 3: when Draco and Harry are like dueling and he says
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  Speaker 3: like scared Pata, like his you know, his typical line,
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  Speaker 3: and of course hearing Tom say that, there was an
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  Speaker 3: extended cheer after that, and then obviously during battles at
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  Speaker 3: the end. So I'll be really curious to see like
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  Speaker 3: where other parts are. And it'll just be a very
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  Speaker 3: because we talked a lot about theater etiquette right in
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  Speaker 3: our last episode, and we were talking about going to
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  Speaker 3: see the film concert series, and so it'll be very
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  Speaker 3: interesting because I think when these things happen, like they
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  Speaker 3: know that there's going to be some of these extended
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  Speaker 3: pauses for cheering because people just get so excited to see,
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  Speaker 3: you know, these actors come back. So yeah, I'm really
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  Speaker 3: curious to see how it how it all pans out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exciting, Yeah, it's fun.
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  Speaker 3: Cool, Yeah, I know, I hope our seats are good.
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  Speaker 3: Even with my glasses, my vision's still not gray. And
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  Speaker 3: I want to be able to, you know, see that
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  Speaker 3: it's him, but I mean i'll know it's him.
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  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, yeah, we'll hear the voice.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And I've met him before in person, so I
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  Speaker 3: know that he exists. But you know that's right, you.
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  Speaker 1: Got right up in your face at an elevator.
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  Speaker 4: You can meet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thea too.
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  Speaker 3: I know. I don't know if we'll be able to
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  Speaker 3: unless we go on. So we're seeing the show on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: and so our best bet would actually be to try
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  Speaker 3: to go to stage door on Saturday, because we would
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  Speaker 3: be able to get there before the show, like let's out.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's probably a really good tip, is
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  Speaker 3: that if you're in the city for multiple nights, to
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  Speaker 3: try to go to stage door on a day that
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  Speaker 3: you're not seeing the show. The only downside of that
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  Speaker 3: is that we won't have the play bell like with him,
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  Speaker 3: which I would love to have. Like if I were
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  Speaker 3: to have anything signed by him, I would want it
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  Speaker 3: to be the play bell, but unfortunately we're going the
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  Speaker 3: next night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to try, though, I'll definitely take
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  Speaker 1: my autograph book. Yeah, or maybe even my copy of
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  Speaker 1: The Curse Child.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna passcript. Yeah, we'll have I mean
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  Speaker 3: technically on Saturday, we technically have two shots because there's
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  Speaker 3: two shows and we're probably usually when we drive down,
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  Speaker 3: it's about a five hour drive for us, and we
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  Speaker 3: usually get going pretty early in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point. I wonder if the matinee would
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  Speaker 1: be easier to do.
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  Speaker 3: That, right, So I think the matinee is at two PM,
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  Speaker 3: so probably like around five or are.
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  Speaker 1: We can at least scope it out and like see
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  Speaker 1: and then we kind of know for the night time show.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, so yeah, I think our day that
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  Speaker 3: we see the show, so we're seeing it, it's like
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  Speaker 3: an earlier. It's kind of like a matinee. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's at like three o'clock and then we're making the
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  Speaker 3: drive home after the show, and so it's like a
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  Speaker 3: five hour drive home. So to do stage door the
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  Speaker 3: day that we see the show, it doesn't really make
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  Speaker 3: a lot of sense. But yeah, if, if, if this happens,
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  Speaker 3: just keep an eye, I guess on Rebellio social media. Well,
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  Speaker 3: at this point, this episode is coming out after this
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  Speaker 3: whole thing is happening, so you will have already known
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  Speaker 3: if we if we met, because we will post it.
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  Speaker 3: So so you're either think.
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  Speaker 1: Right now they're gonna be severely disappointed or oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they did it right.
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  Speaker 3: Right right, But either way, I'm excited just to be
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  Speaker 3: like in the room. And I did see that there's
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  Speaker 3: some exclusive merchandise that has come out, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I love a good merch And there's a couple of
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  Speaker 3: T shirts like with Tom's picture on. There's actually a
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  Speaker 3: really cool one that I actually think I want to get.
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  Speaker 3: That's him in costume. It has his signature on it
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  Speaker 3: and then it says on Broadway. Yeah, I really like
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  Speaker 3: that one. Not that I need any more T shirts
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  Speaker 3: in my life, but there's like a magnet. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's like a poster card. And they teased online that
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  Speaker 3: there's going to be even more coming. So they're really
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  Speaker 3: obviously milk. I mean, why would you know? But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm excited to go back to Harry Potter
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  Speaker 3: in New York too in Christmas. I'm sure it's decorated
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  Speaker 3: like for Christmas. The butter beer cart may have made
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  Speaker 3: its return. I sent Amy a message I saw the
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  Speaker 3: butter beer cart was back. We had just missed it
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  Speaker 3: when we were back or we were there in Goslin.
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  Speaker 3: Was that July August? July July, Yeah, we had just
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  Speaker 3: missed the butter beer cart, which they like have like
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  Speaker 3: a lot of little toppings that you can get on
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  Speaker 3: the butter beer. I saw in the promotion for it
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  Speaker 3: that it looks like they are going to have hot
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  Speaker 3: butter beer, which you know, the best. Yes, well, to
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  Speaker 3: me and Amy, it's the best one. We've definitely had
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  Speaker 3: these conversations before, but they don't typically have the hot
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  Speaker 3: butter beer at the butter beer bar at the store.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think, so I may have to get a
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  Speaker 3: butter beer this time if they've got.
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  Speaker 4: And it's Christmas time already, so it makes sense to
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  Speaker 4: have these kind of like hot beverages.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, especially in New York. Yes for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then of course I'm always excited to hang out
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  Speaker 3: with Amy, so that's right. Yeah. And then just the
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  Speaker 3: other thing here is just a little bit of like
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  Speaker 3: HBO series updates. So we're still kind of getting some
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  Speaker 3: photos circling online, you know, of filming locations that are
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  Speaker 3: happening outside. So there's been some first looks at Harry
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  Speaker 3: and Draco and Ron and Neville and their Hogwarts robes,
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  Speaker 3: as well as a first look at Madam Hooch during
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  Speaker 3: the infamous Flying Lessons. And I know you all can't see,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the doc that you know, we that we're
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  Speaker 3: looking at, but if you look online you can easily
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  Speaker 3: find like these pictures. But yeah, I mean I think
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  Speaker 3: everyone looks great. I mean, Madam Hooch has got like
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  Speaker 3: looks like she's about to go Paris sailing in this
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  Speaker 3: get up that she has on.
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  Speaker 1: Is Madam who to Hufflepuff? Like she's very hufflepuff coded
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  Speaker 1: in this outfit too.
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  Speaker 3: I could see that. I don't know if we know,
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  Speaker 3: but I could totally see that. Yeah, And then the
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  Speaker 3: kids look good too. I mean, yeah, it's really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The robes almost look purple. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: it's just the lighting or if it's like you know
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  Speaker 3: how sometimes black can kind of have that, like if
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  Speaker 3: it's shiny, it can kind of look like purply. But
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  Speaker 3: I mean they look like dark maroon. Hmm, like almost purple.
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  Speaker 1: But I do you think I did maroon for gryffindor well.
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  Speaker 3: If you look at the the picture of Draco, which
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  Speaker 3: is the second one. Yeah, you can see the green.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like in the hood it looks like there's
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  Speaker 3: a green stripe there versus maroon. But the color of
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  Speaker 3: the robe looks the same.
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  Speaker 1: M might just be the lighting.
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  Speaker 3: It might be the lighting. But even that picture of
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  Speaker 3: like Ron, it's got a purple maroony look to it too,
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see I guess how it looks on screen.
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  Speaker 3: But they all look very cute, Yes they do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think Harry still looks great. Obviously this isn't This
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  Speaker 3: picture that is circling online is in between takes because
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have his glasses on. But we've got Draco
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  Speaker 3: with the nice little platinum blonde hair, Ron of course
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  Speaker 3: with the red hair and looks he looks very weasily.
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  Speaker 3: And the actor who's playing Novelle looks really cute too
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  Speaker 3: with his disheveled long hair. So they all look great.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, that was really all I kind of found
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  Speaker 3: this week.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this means something's gonna happen tomorrow, like.
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  Speaker 3: He was thinking about him, like yeah, because and this
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  Speaker 3: and the next time we record, but maybe not, maybe
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  Speaker 3: it'll finally break our street because we're kind of in
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  Speaker 3: a like a bit of a like lull season, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like, but there's still a lot of exciting things happening.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not a lot of new things going on.
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  Speaker 1: slash Revellio Podcast. Okay, so for today's main discussion, we
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  Speaker 1: are doing a character deep dive into everyone's favorite Hufflepuff
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  Speaker 1: magic zoologist Newts Commander himself, And like, I texted our
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  Speaker 1: group chat earlier and I just said, putting together this
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  Speaker 1: main discussion just made my heart so happy. I love
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  Speaker 1: Newts so much. I missed him.
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  Speaker 3: I always say. I feel like, because we just talked
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  Speaker 3: about fantastic beasts last episode, I feel like that really
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  Speaker 3: kind of pushed us to like pick this as our
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  Speaker 3: next topic because we're just back in that fantastic beast
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  Speaker 3: love and wanted to keep it going. Yes, absolutely, next episode,
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  Speaker 3: grendivald Ooh, your right, coming in with the dark topic
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  Speaker 3: again like always.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Newt's full name is Newton Newton Artemis, Fido's commander,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not quite as many names as Elvis Perconval
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  Speaker 1: Wolf like Brian Dumbledore. But we're getting there. So a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about his early life. So Newton was born
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  Speaker 1: February twenty fourth, eighteen ninety seven, somewhere in England. We
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  Speaker 1: do know his mother is a witch according to the
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic Beast Book, but his father is not specified, so
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  Speaker 1: kind of unclear if both parents are magical, or if
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  Speaker 1: one's a witch and one's a muggle or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we do know he has one at least
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  Speaker 1: one brother. We haven't heard of any others, so assuming
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  Speaker 1: this is the only one, and that is Theseus and
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  Speaker 1: Newt inherited his interest in magical creatures from his mother,
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  Speaker 1: who bred hippogriffs, so runs in the family.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting. We don't know anything about the father because now
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  Speaker 4: we don't only have the Fantastic Beast Book, but we
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  Speaker 4: also have three full length movies where they could have
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  Speaker 4: dipped into that a little bit more. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: never it's never really touched on.
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  Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if Theseus takes after the father
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  Speaker 1: and maybe Newt and the father don't have a very
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  Speaker 1: close relationship, and maybe that's why he only mentions it
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  Speaker 1: mentions his mother the forward, because maybe new is more
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  Speaker 1: like their mother and Theseus is more like a father.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I could see that. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 3: just I was just googling it. And it's really funny that,
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  Speaker 3: like he's just referred to you as mister's commander. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: his mom is also only referred to as missus commander.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we know her name either, but yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: to your point, we at least know a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more about her and like she you know, what she did.
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  Speaker 4: But mm hmm, yeah, I can also feel his father
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  Speaker 4: not approving of his life decisions and the path he
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  Speaker 4: decided to take on, and so kind of like have
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  Speaker 4: that little like you know, they're a little bit estranged
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  Speaker 4: at this point, so you know, I can see that happening.
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  Speaker 4: It happens a lot in families when parents, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the father doesn't necessarily approve of what their son or
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  Speaker 4: daughter is going to, you know, do for their lives.
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  Speaker 4: So since you didn't choose, you know that what people
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  Speaker 4: expecting him to be to you know, work at the
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  Speaker 4: ministry or you know, he just decided to go on
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  Speaker 4: on adventures and discovering beasts, and yeah, I could I
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  Speaker 4: could also see that, like, you know, his father not
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  Speaker 4: really approving this, this decision he made for his career
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  Speaker 4: in his life.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think maybe like and now we're like super
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  Speaker 3: like theorizing here, but if there was like a strained
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  Speaker 3: like marriage between mister and missus commander, and he didn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily approve of like his wife also because she was right. Similarly,
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  Speaker 3: he was in this life of breeding hypogriffs and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe or maybe there's something that happened there that
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  Speaker 3: created something and then he was then disappointed and knew
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  Speaker 3: for kind of following that same path.
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  Speaker 1: And like it feels very much like theseus is the
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  Speaker 1: Golden Boy. Yes, And to get those vibes there would
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  Speaker 1: have to be at least one parent who was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we want our kid to be, like like
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  Speaker 1: that's like the prodigy.
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  Speaker 3: Like when you want your kid to be a doctor
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  Speaker 3: or a lawyer, but they.
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  Speaker 4: Used to be exactly something.
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  Speaker 3: I can't think of something else instead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't see like the mother who raises
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  Speaker 1: hippogrips really necessarily being the one who's like, yes, I
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  Speaker 1: want all of my sons to be ors and that's
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  Speaker 1: all they can be, you know, probably.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, I mean I can't. I mean I
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  Speaker 3: think too that I don't know if being a magic
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  Speaker 3: zoologist is a lucrative career from a financial perspective, so
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  Speaker 3: ill not. Maybe that's where some of the strain came
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  Speaker 3: from with the parents, And of course we don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the father did, but if we're right in our
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  Speaker 3: assumptions here, probably was also maybe a ministry worker or
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  Speaker 3: in some kind of highbrow role. Was maybe the breadwinner
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  Speaker 3: for the family because the mother was kind of just
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  Speaker 3: you know, offen the breeding hippogriffs, and maybe that created
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  Speaker 3: some animosity and then that just kind of passed on
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  Speaker 3: to the kids.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So a little bit about Newt's personality as well. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: he is rather shy around people, but finds it a
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  Speaker 1: lot easier to relate to his beasts. So that's I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming why he shows his career because he relates far
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  Speaker 1: more to creatures than to people.
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  Speaker 3: Creatures are non judgmental in a way that people can be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think we didn't we talk about that with Hagrid too
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  Speaker 3: in our Hagrid episode, and it kind of made sense
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  Speaker 3: why he just gravitated towards beasts.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean I get it, like animals are going
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  Speaker 1: to see you in a light that people don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: Like if you have a dog or a cat at home,
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  Speaker 1: they're you know, they think you're amazing, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: you did that day before you walk back through the
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  Speaker 1: door when you get home, they're like, whow, it's my person.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, just by nature, I think animals
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  Speaker 1: and magical beats are just they recognize good and good
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  Speaker 1: intentions rather than the superficial stuff. So it makes sense
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  Speaker 1: that new would gravitate towards them more.
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  Speaker 3: And if he's shy, you know obviously, like there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people myself included, who I might not seem
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  Speaker 3: like it because we talk on this podcast a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't like small talk or having to initiate
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  Speaker 3: conversations with people. And if you're already shy and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that, you can kind of just exist with animals
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  Speaker 3: and exist with creatures without having to converse. You know.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We still have that company, Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Right, like we all you know, talk to our cats
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, but we don't need to you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: they don't need to hear us talk to them.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: It's therapeutic, right for us, probably more than that, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: So in Newts Hogwarts years, he would have started at
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts in September of nineteen oh eight, and he was
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: sorted into Hufflepuff House Yay Go Badgers. He befriends lead
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to the strange while at school, which we see in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: all those flashbacks that we get in the movies, the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: two of them kind of becoming friends and bonding kind
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of in their later years at school. It seemed like
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: they were probably like a year maybe.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I would love.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: To know more about their relationship. Like obviously we get
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: those little bit of flashbacks, but it's in a lot
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of ways, like it's very reminiscent of like Snape and
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Lily's relationship and kind of having kind of like these
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: opposites attract in a way and obviously and not in
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: a romantic way, well obviously like in a one sided
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: kind of romantic way, right, And there's I think there's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: questions out there whether there was feelings in some kind
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: of romantic way with Lyda and new maybe in both
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: directions or in.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: What I think definitely on his end, I think.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So too, but I could also I could also see
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: on her und though too, but I think their Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: their relationship just reminds me so much of that, And
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: even when the way that we do the flashbacks and
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: the film reminds me of the flashbacks and the Harry
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Potter films with Snape and Lily and yeah, I just
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: love it too because I think, I know we've talked
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: before about like Hufflepuffs and Slytherins like actually making really
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: good friends, and it's so nice to kind of see
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: that like portrayed in Cannon as well.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah. Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, though, their friendship does lead to a pretty big
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: bump in the road for Newt, which brings us to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: this expelled or not expelled debate because this never really
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: was fully explained, at least not like on screen. So
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: as we know, Newt was supposedly expelled from Hogwarts for
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: endangering the life of another student with a magical beast.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really him who did it, though, and he
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: took the fall for Leda. And this incident involved a Jarv,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: which has a ministry of magic classification of triple X,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: which the scale goes to five. I believe, so this
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: isn't really super dangerous. And I did pull the jarv
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: description from the Fantastic Beasts textbook just to remind us.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So the jarv is found in Britain, Ireland, and North America.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It resembles an overgrown ferret in most respects, except for
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the fact that it can talk. True conversation, however, is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: beyond the wit of the jarv, which tends to confine
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: itself to short and often rude phrases in an almost
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: constant stream. Jarvis live mostly low ground where they pursue gnomes,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: though they will also eat moles, rats and foles. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what Leda was doing with a jarvi
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that like endangered the life of someone, But.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you would have thought that would be explained in
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: the second film where we get to see their backstory,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: and actually would have kind of like put a little
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: bow into all of these open questions that we had.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Was he actually expelled in the first movie or not,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Like what happened? What was the ultimate outcome of that?
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: And I feel like, yeah, they really even though it's
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: a beautiful flashback scene and I think they they gave
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: us the necessary information that we needed to see where
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: they were coming from and the bond that they had
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and how they united from being both misfits and outcasts
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: and just finding a little bit of supporting each other
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: and just and connecting that way. But yeah, like it
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: would have been good to know, you know, it would
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: have been a nice way to answer these questions that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: we had, because I feel and yeah, yeah, I feel
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: like they probably wanted to, but then you know, Leita's
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: and came at the end of that movie, so yeah,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they ever wanted to expand on that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's just weird to me that this was even introduced
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: in the first place in a very throwaway line from Graves,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and then like if they wanted to address it, they
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: could have in an equally as throwaway line just said
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: something like oh well, Dumbledore stepped in, and they never
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: actually expelled me, like just I don't know, like explain it, yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: because it fit.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think they're like falling out is still
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: like important to the story, and we see like, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: know her then obviously get with Knut's brother of all people,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and then just the strain of all that I think
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: they could have easily tied in, Like, you know, we
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: see that they were so close. Well, then like what
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: happened because now we know that they're not.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Right right, And I mean, like I said, this isn't
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: explained on screen. The only explanation we get is in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: one of the movie companion books, which is kind of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a weird way to address like plot information in my opinion, because.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Your casual stowers are not going to ever probably pick
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: up the book to see that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So in one of the companion books, I don't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: remember which one, but there is a document that details
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the charges against him for that expulsion, and the notes
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: say the expulsion was recommended, but then it says it
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't carried out and the ministry stepped in to rehouse
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the JARV. But like, why didn't they just say this
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in the plot of the movies.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, it new he had a ministry career, So
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he would have been able to
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: do that if he had been expelled in the first place.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And his wand wasn't snapped in half.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe they just wanted us to connect the
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: dots and just say, you know, two plus two equals
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: four and say like that's it, Like obviously he wasn't,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: but again, it wouldn't have been much you know, much
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: work to make like you said, I mean, like to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: make you make a little comment on that. And even
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: in the second movie, the third movie, just to whatever
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: doubt anybody had, just you know, put that rumor and
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: and that you know open question h to rest and
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: just yeah, like yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, dumbledore'sh just out here saving these people from expulsion.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Like first Hagrid, well, I mean, Hayrid does get expelled,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you know, but like but at the end of the day,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: like you know, Hagrid is still able to be like
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: cleared enough to still have a position at Hogwarts as well. Yeah, right,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, that's a really good point. Sorry,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it's funny that they both
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: got expelled for something to do with creatures too.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say too. It's
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: like it's such a really good point about like, you
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: know how I do feel like there was this big
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: open ended question about like, Okay, did he get expelled
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: or did he not get expelled? But we have seen
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: what happens when a person does get expelled with Hagrid,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: and so if they're being good with continuity, it should
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: be very obvious that Newton didn't get expelled because we
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: didn't see the same thing happened to him that happened
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: at Hagrid. But yeah, that that's a really like good
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: comparison to because I think that Hagrid and Newt have
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: a lot of similarities, as we obviously have brought up,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you know, instantly kind of thinking about Hagrid here and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the fact that yeah, both of them kind of face
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: this expulsion predicament due to creatures.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but also makes me think, I mean, he did
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: have a ministry career, but Ron and Harry also had
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: and they never actually graduated, So it makes you wonder.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think Harry got passed because haven't he
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: literally like.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, isn't it like as long
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: as you pass your O W Well's, you're basically fine.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Why would any of them finish the last year?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Fred George were like, yeah, we're good, We're.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Like pieced out.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, m hm, I don't know. I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like this was supposed to be explained at
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: some point and probably got cut because JK Rowling did
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: eat at some point about this, saying all will be
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: made clear, trust me, which it was not clear, Joe,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: not clear at all, just letting you know that. But yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: so I feel like I don't know something happened.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the something that happened was them deciding
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: not to make five films anymore, because I.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Think that right, But if it was going to be explained,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in Crimes of Grindlefold.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: That the moment Lyda kind of unfortunately meets her end.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Why would there be any reason? Well, they could though,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: because well they could have done this in Secrets of
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Dumbledore because we still have I could see a way
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: that we could still talk about Lida even with her
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: being gone because of theseus, right, so conversations about that
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: could still come up because he's still an active character.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: But like their moment to do that would have been
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: in Secrets of Dumbledore when everybody's still like mourning what
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: happened to Alita and we didn't get it there either.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Wasn't there like a script rewrite for Secrets?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, I think so, And it's probably because they
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: decided they were not going to keep doing them, and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: so they had to kind of problem I got cut, Yeah,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: because I mean I remember, actually, if I'm remember if
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I'm remembering this right, that when Secrets of Dumbledore came out,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like I remember some people kind of talking
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: about that and how theseus just kind of seemed to
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: are they all just kind of seemed to just move
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: on from everything that just happened with Leda and that
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: theseus didn't have enough of a grieving reaction in that film.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Literally the only one who mentioned it was Grindlbald.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Right, it just seemed like that was the Yeah, that
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: was like the pinnacle of the last film, and then
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: it just was like, Okay, we're all We've all moved on.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Never mind.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: It was a little jarring, but that's probably due to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: rewrites and having the condense that film to kind of
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: wrap everything up unfortunately.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: M Yeah, I mean I still think that it they
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: because they can they consider it kind of like a
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: box office flop just because it didn't rank and it
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: didn't make as much money as the previous wizardm Rold films.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: So that's why I thought like they had kind of
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: like put a pause on that, And even David Yates
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: said that like they were like parking the films. They
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: weren't canceling them. It was like a little like keeping
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: them a little stagnant for a while. And see, because
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: the story does allow for it to pause and then
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: you know, pick it back up in a few years time,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: because we know that the important thing happens in nineteen
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: forty five, right when we have the ultimate dual between
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Dumblore and Grindawald. So I mean, there's still a chance.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: But I wonder if their decision to rewrite was to
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: make the script better, because obviously they had more time
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: with you know, all these restrictions that there were, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: you know, literally if film studios were pausing all of
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: their productions, So you know, I could have thought it
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: was just them wanting to rewrite some things to make
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: it more clear, to make it a little bit more digestible,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: to learn from the previous mistakes from the previous film.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: And uh and yeah, but even that like couldn't couldn't
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: ultimately save it, you know, at least to Warner brother
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: standards what they expected from one of these films. But yeah,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: like it's a I feel there's so much more to unpack,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Like we've only started discussing nude a few minutes ago,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: but we already have so many more questions. Oh yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: and yes we need answers.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Like it's hard, right because you build this this film
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: franchise that you know, right at the beginning, he's introduced
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: as like kind of our main character. And I know
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that a lot of people do have issues with the
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: direction that the films took after, you know, moving away
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: from New and moving into this Dumbledore in Grinivald storyline.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I know that I have said that I love that
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: they took that direction, because I don't know how we
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: would have had five films just like following you around,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: and so I do like that they did that. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: at the same time, they also like opened the door
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: to like so many questions about New because he's still
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: like our main character.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And he's like a kind of character, right, and I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: want to know.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and he kind of like had to take this
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: backseat a little bit and he kind of became just
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: a side character in this bigger story. But you can't
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: introduce such a great character and then kind of sideline
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: them and not expect people don't want to know more
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: about that character.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, because they're almost two separate there are
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: two separate stories that they're somehow intertwined together, and try
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: to like force them somehow to just coexist in the
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: same timeframe with then you know, like this events happening
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: in Mute's life unfolds into what it's going on with
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Grindawald and Dumbledore, and they try to like make those
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: kind of like make ends meet in that sense, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: just try to make it make sense.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Like well liked right, like Credence was with that bridge.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I mean whether that was a good bridge or not
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: is a whole other subject.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that yeah, so some of it definitely felt a
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: little forced. I do love Mute story. I do love
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: and I was really excited when I saw the Baker
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: reveal in the first Fantastic Beef film and saw that
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: it was actually grindle Well and I was like, yes,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: this is exactly what I want, and I was so excited.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, we're sidelining this amazing character
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: with so many layers and so much to bring to
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: the table that somehow we didn't get, you know, to
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: squeeze more of because you know, they had to share
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: the screen. So I even think they would have worked
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: better as separate franchises, but yeah, it's it's yeah, definitely
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: a little bit jarring too, and it's yeah, I don't know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: like it's it's a pity. It's a pity to see it,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: you know where it is right now. But we definitely
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: want to learn more.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: We need those last two films give us more.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Even if we know new it would be kind of
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: still sidelined in those films. I think too that these
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: films could have been also a good stepping stone to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: see if how well it could do with I don't
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: know how to word like my thought process, Like I
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: could see like introducing him the way they did, continuing
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: the story the way they did with it unfolding Grinivald
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Dumbledore obviously Newt playing a role in that story, which
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: is also another unanswered question about how he'll continue to
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: play a role here. But then they could have even
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: then done a prequel to a Fantastic Beast where it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: like his, yeah, his own movie. It could have been
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: done in one movie looking at him like researching and
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: traveling and like writing his book or something. And they
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: could have even done it as like a like him
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and Tina like get married, they have like kids or something,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: and then he's telling the story to his kid or
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: his grandchild about how he went on this adventure and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: wrote this book. And that's how it. Like Warner Brothers,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: if you're listening, here's a great idea that I think
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: would work well. I think similarly. You know what I
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: think of I think of Edward Scissorhands, and you have
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: when Nona Ryder's character, gosh, her character, her name is
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: escaping me, but she's basically telling her like grandchildren, the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: story of her when she was younger and with Edward
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: and all of that, and like and then you see
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: that at the beginning and like in the end. Then
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: they could do that for new and then it's like
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: the whole movie is just the splashback of him, like
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: on his adventures. Like it could be so cute.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Mm hm yeah, I would watch it in a heart
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: right about me too.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Let's call Eddie Redmain up, tell him what a great
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: movie idea to.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Him, and say, Eddie, we have a script for you.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: It's really just a Google doc of our thoughts.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: But none of us are in the business. We don't
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: know what we're doing, but we.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Think it could take the franchise to the next level.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if this movie this actually happens, Like I'm finding
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: out how we can get credit from this episode, Like
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: somebody listened to our episode, took our idea. Here it
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: is on record that we came up with this idea.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Save this recording. All right, Well back to Newt. So, uh,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Newt had a ministry career as well. So he did
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: work for the Ministry of Magic in the Office for
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: House Self Relocation before joining the Beast Division, which is
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: a subdivision of the Department for the Regulation and Control
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of Magical Creatures. So at that point, both commander brothers
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: worked at the Ministry, though in vastly different roles. Yeah,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: so that's kind of interesting saying.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I wonder what they do in the Beast Division.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of paperwork probably.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, what's different about that than the
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: overarching department.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's like dealing with like particularly dangerous creatures that
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: like only certain people would be able to go and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like remedy a situation if like say a dragon has
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: moved into a neighborhood. I don't know, it was of interest.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I think that's you know, the reason he decided to,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: you know, form his own path at the end of
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the day because he wasn't getting that excitement from that
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: from that work. I know we're going to be discussing
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit about that later, but yeah, he definitely
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: wasn't looking forward to working in an office and behind
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: a desk, and I think that this job wasn't fulfilling
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: at all, and he just didn't want to. Like even
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: in the films, you see he doesn't want to work
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: at the ministry anymore. Like he's done with that and
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: he's just enjoying his life traveling the world.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And we know, you know, his bog art takes the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: form of a desk, basically saying you know, his fear
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: is working an office job forever. So yeah, this was
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: not his end goal for sure, but more.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Likely how how it's like got him in like introduced,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: because I was thinking, like when you mentioned like if
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: that department was you know, people that were sent dealing
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: with dangerous creatures, and I think about you know, him
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: with the little girl and like the obscurists and being
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: able to you know, it's like, did was he called
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: on as an expert to come in and do that?
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Was that something he could kind of did on his own,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: like off the record, and just made me think of
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: that when you mentioned if there is I'm sure there
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: is a department within that regulation department that does do
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: that and is sent off when you know, as you mentioned,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: like a dragon moves into a residential neighborhood or something
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: and they need to rehouse it. But you know, is
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: that maybe a different department than he was in. But
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: it's obviously something he would have definitely enjoyed more than
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the desk job that he was working.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And now that you bring that up, I really
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: do think that was kind of like off the record
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: thing that he did. He wasn't sent I don't feel that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: If anything, I feel that could have created more tension
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: between him and his you know, higher ups. So so yeah, yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: I definitely see that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Instead, they should have looked at that and been like, wow,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: we could probably use this guy in a different department
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: because look how grad he is, and it's like just
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't being used at the ministry. It's like he was
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: in the right department, but the wrong subdivision of that department,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: and for some reason wasn't being recognized as being more
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: capable to be in this other these other departments that
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I think would have suited his more like adventurous side
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: that he kind of has when it comes with Debes.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm, Yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I think they kind of like look down on him too,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: and having his brother being an rror and the Golden
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Boy the Prodigies on and you know, just them having
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: this very high opinion of him and then looking down
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: on you and being like, you know, he can't you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: he he probably can't do all of this, you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: he can't achieve as much. So they're sending him to
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: work behind a desk because that's what they think he's
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: best at or the best way they can also like
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: control him somehow.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Like keep him under their radar. Two, because he was
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: never about going by the rules either.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: So when I wonder if like the whole kind of
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: things that we've already mentioned, right, like sometimes I wonder
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: if his personality played a role in that too, just
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: thinking he wasn't like bold enough or like you know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: being shy and everything like that, thinking like you're not
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: the right fit for stuff like this. And also if
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: you know, we've talked about the whole situation that happened
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: at Hogwarts, and like you know, he probably didn't get
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: expelled because he's in this Ministry job, but is that
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: whole incident like still like coming back to haunt him,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: and that's now playing this role and how he's being
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: treated at the Ministry and the roles he's given because
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: that whole situation that happened at Hogwarts is still kind
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: of looming. And if we send you into these dangerous situations,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: what are you know, what are you going to do?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: We need to keep you chained here at this dusk.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: He does get an interesting assignment though, in World War One.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: So during World War One, both commander brothers were actually
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: involved in the war, despite the decree of the Minister
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: of Magic at the time, the wizards were supposed to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: stay out of it. However, interestingly enough for someone who
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: is a rule breaker, News involvement in the war was
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: actually Ministry sanctioned, so he wasn't breaking any rules there.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: He was part of a cover operation run by the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Ministry to wrangle Ukrainian iron belly dragons on the Eastern Front,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but the program was ultimately canceled because the dragons only
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: responded to Newt and tried to eat everyone else. So
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: but that operation.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Can like just have new do it then, right, like
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: why does the whole operation need to be canceled again?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: It's like what do they have against new Like he's
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: proving himself time and time again here. Obviously they trusted
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: him enough to even send him on this covert operation,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: and clearly he was the best man for the job
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: because the dragons only responded to him.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And unless they were like, well more evidence, Yeah, we
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: need this to be like more expansive than one person
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: can do.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, were there that many Ukrainian iron
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: bellies on the Eastern Front that like they needed.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: To have, like not, that's terrifying.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't remember that. In history class, I'm learning
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: about World War One.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: But that's interesting because that would have happened after the
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: events of no Be prior, because we were talking about
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: World War one.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, because in Grindelwald's vision is World War two and
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: that Jacob's like, no, the war, like the war, like
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: about going back to war and everything. So it's that
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: in between and they're all afraid of like another world war,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: which obviously, as we know, does happen.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: So then we get into Nut's career in magic zoology.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighteen, Augustus Worm of obscurest Books contracted
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Newt to write his book about magical creatures. So obviously
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Nut jumped at this chance because, you know, way out
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of his office job, way to do what he actually
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: wants to do. So he didn't quit his ministry job, though,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: he started traveling the world during holidays to do research
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: for his book and complete his book.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: That Way.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them was published
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty seven, So it's very likely that Newt
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: was one of the first magic zoologists, since most wizards
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: at this time don't really seem to see the point
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of studying beasts other than you know how to get
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: rid of them. So he was probably a trailblazer in
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: this field.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say. I mean obviously that you know
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: something about what he was doing was gaining attention to
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: have somebody you know, reach out and contact him to
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: write this book. So I don't think that everything he
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: was doing with magical beasts was so covert and under
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: wraps because people did know.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Of him, right, And I think it's interesting because I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: know it says that like he traveled during holidays from
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: his ministry job, but from the films, I get the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: vibe that he did eventually quit. Yeah, I just don't
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: know when, because I don't think he was working for
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the Ministry by the time like Secrets or even the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: first film by the time that rolled around, because yeah,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I don't like, I didn't get the feeling he was
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: a ministry employee.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: No very much like, yeah, he was his own, doing
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: his own thing, his own h.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we know he was working on his book, right,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: but never that you know, it was from his holidays
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: or his sabbatical from the Ministry of Magic.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So at some point he must have quit.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking after the book was published probably, or
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: maybe after I was like fully.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Written, because like, right, I mean, could that first film
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: though have ben right, because the whole thing is like
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: he's taking like frank like back to America, Like could
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: that have been something that was like a sabbatical or something.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: But then obviously a million things blew off while he
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: was over there and just didn't get back in time.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: And maybe I was like that he was a no call,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: no show back at the Ministry. But at this point
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it didn't even matter, right, because the book was public,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: the book was going to be published and then he'd
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: start earning royal I'm assuming it's similar to the Muggle world.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: He'd start earning royalties and stuff from the book. And
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: then obviously this whole thing happened with you know, Dumbledore
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: and Grindelwald and him kind of getting wrapped up in that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: So who needs the ministry job at that point?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Well, and obviously by movie two he's got his own
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: assistant too, Bunty, all right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: So he's making enough to be able to pay an assistance.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, he's clearly like doing his own thing,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: self employed.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And like from that meeting in Secrets of Dumbledore when
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: they call him into the Ministry, he's not an employee.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: They're just asking a favor and he's like, yeah.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, I don't. I don't, guys, you don't control me.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Although I mean I could also see Buntie just working
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: for you out of like the goodness of her own
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: heart and her love for New.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: I volunteer to.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Spend time with you. I will absolutely do that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Me too, Bunty, me too, up Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: New and the creatures I'm there.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So then we have his role in grindel Walt's
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: rise to power here or his role in stopping it
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: really so is kind of interesting. He does play us
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: significant role in stopping Grinovald, but as we know, Newt
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: does struggle to pick sides, but he is motivated into things,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: into doing things when he feels that it's like the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: right thing to do, like we hear Dumbledore say, you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you always do what's right. So I think that's kind
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of how he gets involved in this way. And usually
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: we find him getting involved because it's a beast, or
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: there's someone vulnerable who needs defending, or because something's happening
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to someone he cares about, and those are kind of
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: all the ways that he gets pulled into this Grinovald fight.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So obviously, in the first film, we see that it
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: was Newt who captured Grave slash Grinivald, and he reveals
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the hidden identity, and he's involved in that because of
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Credence and the Obscurists and Tina as well. Then in
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Crowns of Grinibald, new ends up in Paris because he
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: follows Tina there. So Tina is the whole reason he's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: there in the first place. No someone he cares just
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the salamander eyes.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: So the bees are still related regardless, he still finds
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: a way that they're in there.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he also ends up in things like at
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the rally because of Tina and Lida, because both were
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: trying to find that box that would prove Credence's identity.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: So he's kind of there because he was helping Tina
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and then Lida was there, and then they were both
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: in danger, so he put them both in his suitcase
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: and got him out of there, and now they're at
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the rally, and then another beast getting him further involved.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Newt's niffler steals Grinovald's blood packed necklace, so then Newt
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: has to deliver that to Dumbledore, which leads Dumbledore to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: being able to defeat g Renobald, and in the Secrets
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: of Dumbledore, Newt has finally picked aside because what happened
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: to Leda and the damage that's been done to his
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: people at this point, so Leda and theseus in the
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: aftermath there. Yeah, So he always kind of gets pulled
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: in in the way he picks a side always has
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: to do with how it affects like people who cares
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: about or situations and causes he cares about.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I think it's very Hufflepuff, and I kind of picture
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: him like maybe at first thinking like it's like Neville
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: that kind of says like why is it always me?
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: And like I can't feel like I could see new
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: like also thinking that like, why am I now getting wrong?
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I just came here to bring this thunderbird back home
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: to the wilds of Arizona, and now I am finding
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: myself in the middle of what will become one of
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: the greatest stories of the Wizarding World. And I he
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: obviously never intended it, but I think that he's like
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: his heart is so big and he cares so much,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: and that unfortunately all these people that he care about
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: gets so wrapped up in this story that he has
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: no other choice but to be wrapped up in himself.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: And Dumbledore also kind of puts him in that position too,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: where he's like, well, I need you yep, Like yeah,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I need you one yep like and it's like you've
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: brought me you know this. It's like I wonder if
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Nut's like, you know, okay, Dumbledore, I'm just returning this
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: to you. I'm so sorry that my niffler stole it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: And Dumbledore is like, well, now that you're here, Come
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: on in, let me tell you the playoff.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden yeah. And now all
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: of a sudden he is totally entrenched. And you don't
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: say no to Dumbledore, right, and you don't say no
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: to double Doore.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: No, he wants to use your suitcase as a decoy.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: You say yeah.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: You just say yes. You don't even ask questions, You
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: just say yes, sir so.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: In a forward of a later edition of Fantastic Beasts,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Nuts says he can't talk much about it until the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: official documents are released, but that he did play a
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: role in the hunt for grind of Wald quote over
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the next two decades, meaning from nineteen twenty six to
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty six or forty five. But we only see
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: until the year nineteen thirty two, which is when Secrets
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: of Dumbledore is supposed to be. So what happened over
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the next ten years that we'll never get to see those.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Ten years that we were supposed to see. We were
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: supposed to see.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: That that we were robbed of.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Never getting over it, never getting over it. We were
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: just getting going. We were just getting into such a
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: great story. And I was so curious about like what
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: News role was going to play, because it kind of
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: seemed like as we were going through these films, the
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: role it seemed like in time his role would be
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: less and less, right, because eventually we get to a
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: point where it's like Dumbledore just has to face this
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: head on. He can't, like, you know, he's not gonna
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: have other people do his quote unquote dirty work for him.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Like ultimately, right, we know that eventually Dumbledore faces Grindelwald himself.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, what happened get to that point?
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: And yeah, after the whole thing with the chill in, Like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: what then was Newt's role? What was everybody's role or
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: did they just eventually fade to the side, right.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Or would we start to see like him have his
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: own story kind of like separate and be following two
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: different things going on. But yeah, I mean like from
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: this quote though, like it sounds like he was still
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: very much involved. But I just don't understand how I.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Do feel the ending of the last film kind of
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: like shows you they're they're going on separate paths, Dumbledore
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: and Mute. So it kind of feels like, you know, they're, yeah,
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: just they're going to go into different directions that are
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: not necessarily contradictory to the other or you know, like
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: but they're all going to you know, do what's best
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: for them, and do you know, like I don't feel
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: it doesn't make it look like Dumbledore is going to
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: be asking Nude for any more favors anytime soon, because
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: he knows what he has to do next, and he
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: knows I think, of course, yes, yes, of course, but yeah, yeah,
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: but but yeah, like I I think that maybe there's
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: this gap of years that nothing really happened related to that,
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: at least from Nude's side, Like I'm thinking he might
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: have you know, kind of like yeah, a little kind
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: of like feared into a different direction and then ultimately
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: came back. And you know, that's why a little hopeful
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: still that we might get to see this next two
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: films or this last film if it ever happens, like
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: there is time to do that still, And I think
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: that if there's no story to tell in the meantime,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: they probably you know, are waiting to come up with
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: something that will be you know, we'll be a lot
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: more convincing and just engaging in terms of you know, story,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: And yeah, like I'm very but I'm very curious to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: see and I'm curious to know what happened, you know
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: with him and Tina, like and there's a lot of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: things like not just from Mute's side, but also like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Jacob and Queenie and everyone, like the whole thing, Like, yes, yes,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: that's that's another great character. I would have loved to
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: know more about Leta too. I was so heartbroken when
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: she was killed off in the second film because you know,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: I really really liked that character and I felt she
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: had so much more to to bring to the table
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: and and it was the only way that we would
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: find out more about her. And so yeah, I'm just yeah,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking so back to what I was saying before,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Like I do think that they they separate it for
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: a bit, and you know, their paths crossed eventually that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: led up to that final war.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe the little disembodied glove, that's what I'm.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Not by speed dial, that's the sad doubled our speed.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Dial for.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: At news house one day later.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Again, like it's just sitting there with his beast, and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: like I wonder if maybe that played a role too,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: and the I'm like ultimately deciding to like not finish
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: out the series because I could see I could see
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: JK Rowling writing all of this like little side things
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: that everybody's doing. But I could see a studio saying
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: this is not that's great for a book, yeah, but
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: that's great for a blockbuster movie. This isn't going to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: draw people to the films, even though us diehard fans
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: would have loved to see the every day you know.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: This is why I keep saying they need to turn
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it into a TV show.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Give us the.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Series.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can give people that stuff.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: Also, you have to have Yeah, you have to get
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: to you have to have a good pair of cuts,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: like to be like, you know what, JK Rowling, you know,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: your story was good for probably being the top three
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: most popular film franchises of all time, but this one
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: is you know, we don't think this could be good enough,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Like you have to have you.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Know, like instead yeah, yeah, like please do, yeah, please do, because.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: We need we need to keep milking this anyway. So
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: I'm sure if she did a book, like if she
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: continued this in book form, not in like screenwriting form,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: screenplay form. Yeah, and I'm sure Warner Brothers would pick
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: it up. Like I cannot see a world where Jako
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: rolling comes up with something that is not being picked
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: up by them.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: But then she did already come up with it though,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: and they tossed it aside after three films. You know, Yeah,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I'm really curious,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: ye what that story because even though we could have
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: still had because we know that it was getting to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: a place that would have made great movie, right, like
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: the whole ending showdown between Dumbledore and val would have
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: made great films. So maybe we just needed to cut
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: out the fourth movie and we could have did a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: time jump or something like that and cut out all
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: those little years of just hanging with his beast or
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: whatever's going on that everybody's doing.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: That's actually good for a TV show, right, mute story
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: and like having Eddie on a TV show and like
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: his actual adventures, which is what we expected when it
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: was first announced, Like we were thinking it was about
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: globe trotting the world and just like you know, venturing
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: into being known. I would have have ever imagined it
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: would take place in a huge city like New York. Like, Yeah,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: So I think that.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: That kind of storyline works really well for TV over film.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: I think maybe what hurt Fantastic Beasts a little bit
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: here is that I think that there was probably and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: again this is obviously me just speculating, but there was
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: probably some kind of thought process of Okay, Harry Potter
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: started out as a film franchise, so we need to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: continue this as a film franchise. And then they realized, Okay,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: stories like this now are doing better in the TV
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: series medium, and so then they're now doing Harry Potter
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: as a TV series. I think if Harry Potter TV
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: series had come out before they tried to do Fantastic Beasts,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: then maybe Fantastic Beasts as a TV series would have
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: been considered more. It's almost like they need to do
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: the opposite treatment of what a lot do so a
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: lot of series. We've seen this with the show Firefly,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: We've seen this with We're about to see it with
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: the show The Mandalorian, where they start out as a
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: show and then they decide to just stop the show.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: But still do we've oh and what's it? Oh my god,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: oh my god, the movie the move or the TV show,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, the the movie, the time period piece.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I keep thinking Bridgerton, but it's not for Downtown Abby. Yeah,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: that's another example right where we've had like this TV
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: series and we've decided to finiship, but then we're doing
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: a movie to wrap it up. They almost could have
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: done the reverse with Fantastic Beast and then put it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: out the rest of it as a TV show and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: just saw how it worked. Again. Yeah, there's another example
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: for Warner Brothers. People would watch it.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: The good thing they can't still do that. That's why
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of like, I'm still, like you said, I'm optimistic,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: like I think there is a lot of potential for
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: it to still happen because people in the comments now,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: whenever they post Fantastic Beasts content, everyone is going nuts
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: in the common saying, you know, we need the fourth
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: and fifth films, we need this story, we need to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: wrap it up. Please do this, please do this. So maybe,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: just like you said, maybe it's not worked or it
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: was not you know, the best medium to actually produce
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: it for, but maybe as a TV show with TV
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: shows being so popular now, like it could really take
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: off and it could be actual, you know, like profitable.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: To the Hunt for Brindled or something like. It doesn't
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: even need to be called it can be like its
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: own thing, but it's still the continuation, but just what
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: they've done with the movies really the opposite direction. They
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: kind of name it something different, you know, right.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but I'm thinking about this because maybe you know,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: everything that is TV show related now is going to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: be related directly to the TV show. And you know,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: there's this cinema, you know, like the cinematic Wizarding World,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: which is fantastic, Be's and Harry Potter and they're all,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: you know, it's one continuous timeline and it's all within
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: the same universe. This is going to be a different universe.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: So maybe they don't really want to, you know, mix
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: those two up because I don't know, I.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Well, they already ruined it when they got rid of
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: the Wizarding World, like and now we're super divulging away
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: from the topic of new but like they kind of did.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Like that's what makes me nervous that it's never coming back,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: because like we had built this whole thing and we
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: made we're like, okay, we're making this universe bigger than
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: just Harry Potter, but now we're back to it just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: being Harry Potter. And so that makes me nervous that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: we won't get any more Fantastic Beats, Like, no, we're
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: not going to erase what we already have, but we're
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: also really turning our focus just back to Harry Potter.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Like mm hmmmm.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Although I feel like, yes, Fantastic Beasts is connected to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: the cinematic world of Harry Potter, but not so much
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: in that it couldn't work to still exist in a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: TV show form and still relate to the TV show
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter, because there isn't Like, it's all different actors.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: So even though it's the same characters, they're all different
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: actors because of the time difference, right, So like Dumbledore
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: is different.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: You have Grenda Walt the young version, which is Jamie.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: From The Fountains, Yeah, Campbell Bauer Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: And also Hogwarts is exactly the same. That's true, and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: everything that we've seen from the show really seems to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: be heading towards a full one to eighty turn. So
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: I'm just really, yeah, I don't know if that could
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: actually work, just because it's so you know, even the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: castle is exactly the same one Astphleie Hollow's Part two,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: so they really wanted to keep that continuity going in
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: the cinematic world. But yeah, like I wonder if that's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: where they're kind of like, you know, saying, Okay, do
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: we continue this. Maybe it's not profitable for a movie,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: but it could be profitable for a TV show. But
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: how do we merge things? And how do we not
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: make a mess out of this? And uh, yeah, I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: think it's it just goes back to what they ultimately
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: ultimately think is the best way to go complicated it is.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Just to finish it as a movie is. But I
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: think the longer I know, but the longer that they wait,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: the less likely it's going to happen, because like actors
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: are going to move on, they're like are they're not
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: going to be available or they're just going to lose interest,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: And it's just scary and it just seems like right
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: now like they're really just shifting their focus on the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: TV show. But I think too, it's hard because like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: with Epic Universe just opening that kind of like brought
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: back Fantastic Beasts in a lot of ways too, And
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: we've talked about that and how they didn't decide to
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: change their plans for up Universe necessarily, they still kept
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: all the Beasts and everything there. But I think that, yeah,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: I hope that they see like those comments and stuff
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: whenever they do post about like fantastic Beast things or
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: new as a character and showing that like the fan
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: base and the love is really there still and we
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: still want this story. But I think, unfortunately, like this
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: is where books are great, right because authors can still
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: put out the books of these things and not necessarily
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: worry so much about is it a blockbuster hit. They're
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, you could say like at
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: this point, I'm putting this book out for the fans
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: and giving the fans the story were Unfortunately, in they
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: I think TV show, movie world, realm, they don't really
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: care about that, Like they don't care about like finishing
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: the story for people. It's all about how profitable will
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: this be?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very curious, Like I would love to see
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: that happening in book form, because she probably has it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: all kind of like planned out already, like she had
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Harry Potter, like she already knew how the story was
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: going in going to end. Of course, we all know
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: how this story ends as well, but we don't know
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: what happened in between, and you know, it would become
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: a bestseller for sure, Like I don't see anywhere where
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't happen, And hopefully that would still kind of
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: like steer the waters a little bit and be like, oh,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: you know what, let's pick it, let's pick it up again.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe as a movie, maybe as a TV show. We
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: take you know, we take a leap of faith, and yeah,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: because the movies were it's not that they were like unsuccess,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: they were just unprofitable for Wizarding World standards, which were
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: compare them.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Why did we even do that?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Like I know, it's just crazy because they were still
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: like some of the most successful films of the years
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: they were released. So they need to take that into
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: consideration and be like, oh, especially the third one coming
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: out post COVID, it's still.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: Elation.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Well I got you all this time that's passed in
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Secrets of Dumbledore. If they announced we're coming back and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: we're doing the fourth one, it would do exceptionally well
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: because what is it Absence makes the heart grow fonder,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Like it's almost like, and I don't know if that's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: their plan, maybe is to like we're going to just
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: let this cool for a bit and then all of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: a sudden surprise them with we're you know, because people
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: are going to rush out to see it, and at
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, people that are really big
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: fans of stuff, like I'm a huge Avatar fan, and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: I mean there was like ten years in between those films,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: and people came out and droves to see the second
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: one when it came out, and just all those years
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: in between just built up the like desire for that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: next film, And so I think that they could be
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: very successful if they decided to reboot it. People haven't
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: forgotten about it is I think what they need to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: realize is it's not out of sight out of mind.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: You can talk to us about the TV show all
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: you want. We want the TV show, well a lot
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: of us want the TV show too, but like you're
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: not distracting us away from Fantastic Beast, Like we still
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: want it to clearly.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: Like we want our Wizarding World back. We want our
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: back go back. And it's still on the door of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: the New York shop, and I think with all of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: the Harry Potter shops, and it's still in a lot
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: of the merch that came out this year. So it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: really is react.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: It is because so when we were at Harry Potter
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: and now we're super going off tangent, sorry to the listener.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: When we were at Harry Potter New York, I specifically
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: bought a tote bag there because it's still had the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: Wizarding World logo on it. So I have seen that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: in the new like when Chicago opened, those Saint Tope
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: bags are there and they do not have the Wizarding
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: World logo on there. So I think all of the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: new merch coming out it's being removed from it, but
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: all the stuff that had already been produced still has
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: it on it. Yeah, so I do think it is
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: well and truly dead. But like, yeah, obviously it's on
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: the door, it's on the door handles places, it's ingrained,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: places where it can't just be removed. But I do
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: think going forward, we're not going to see it on
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: new merchandise. So if you really like that logo like
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: I do, and you see it on merchandise, I want
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: that merchandise, then you have a piece of it. But
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: but yeah, needless to say, we obviously have a lot
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: of questions about those next ten years to write us
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: back into where we were.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: We want answers, and we want the answers.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Answers well, And I'm even more curious obviously, I want
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: to know how like what happened next for Dumbledore and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: like I want to see that in between of how
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: we got to like where, like you said, Tom, like
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: we know the ending, right, but like I want to
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: see what happens. But even more so, I'm even more
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: curious about how are Fantastic Beast characters played a role,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: because I'm having a really hard time imagining what their
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: role was, and so I want to see that, Like
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I want to know what jk Rowling's thoughts were of
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: what the role was, right, Yeah, Like what's Jacob's role,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Like I you know, I want to know.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: He's nuts, buddy.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Oh he's going off against with his little faith, you know,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: like that in the pastry, Like you know that's how
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: he's you know, just trying to run the bad guys over.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Uh. So, obviously a lot of questions and another question
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I came across while I was researching for this episode
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: was kind of interesting to me. So that is the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: question of is Newts inability to pick a side against
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Toufflepuff values? And I thought that was interesting because I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: think no, and here's my reasoning behind that. One. Newt
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't like conflict, which I think is a very hufflepuff thing.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: But also picking sides is more complicated than just like
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: choosing one right because in most situations there's not a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: clear cut good side and bad side. Like it's way
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: more nuanced than that. So if you look at like
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the Ministry of Magic, they're inherently the right side quote
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: unquote in this situation because they're against Grinnelvald, but they
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: also want to kill credence, which Newt is like, yeah, no,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: that's not right. So like he's not just deciding to
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: go with them because they're against Grennovald, because he has
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: to consider all the other things the doing that are
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: probably wrong. So no, I think it's a very hufflepuff
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: thing to like maybe not jump into a side because
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you're considering all the different circumstances and like, if the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: right side is being unfair, you're not going to want
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: to back that side.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of his I think it's one of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: his most hufflepuff traits, to be honest, because it's always
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: about also not just caring for yourself, but caring about
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: the people that you love and just being loyal and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: unconditional and making sure that that outcome, whatever it is,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: is what's best for them, and you know the right side,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: like you said, you know, and I think it's a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: conflict that we all have as well, and it's hard
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: for us. I always take it down to me being
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: a libra, but honestly, like it's always very hard to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: pick sides, and it's always hard like to see which
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: is good and which is the bad, and you know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: I always try to find a little bit of light
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: and darkness in both sides and try to.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: You know, it's what Serius says, right exactly, like what
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: you just said.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, the world.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Doesn't split into good people and death eaters, Like we've
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: all what is it, We've all got light and dark inside.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: Of us, and so we choose.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a path we choose, but that that
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: choice and thinking about it, and when you really start
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: weighing and you're like, gosh, what side do I pick?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Because there's light and dark with the good guys, there's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: light and dark with the bad guys. It's like really
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: having to weigh and when you've got people you care
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: about on both sides. It's like not an easy choice.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: No, No, I think too, Like with the Hufflepuff, I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: always think like Hufflepuff values, and I think about the whole,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: like you know that, like Hull the Hufflepuff was like
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: I'll take the rest, And I think that that exactly
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: right there, kind of shows an ill inability to pick us.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Right, You're like, I don't want to pick aside. I'm
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: just going to take the rest, where all the rest
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: of them were like, no, I'm picking this side, I'm
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: picking that side, and she's like, I'm not picking a side.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: I'll take the rest.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: And so I think that everybody's got something of value
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: in them, Like you can't just pick this one trait
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: and be like that's the most important, correct.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think his inability to pick a
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: side is exactly in line with Helga hup Helga huffle
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: Puffs values.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think so too.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: All right, so New's later life here, we know that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: he eventually marries Tina and they have at least one child,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: who also has at least one child because newt has
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: a grandson named Rolf, and Rolf's commander later marries Luna
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Lovegood and the two carry on this Commander family tradition
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: of working with the natural world as wizarding naturalists.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: God, that would be an amazing spinoff series. Talking about
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: TV shows and spinoffs.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: We also know nuts book is the required text for
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts Care of Magical Creatures class from its publication date
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty seven into the nineteen nineties at least,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: probably farther than that. In nineteen forty seven, he's responsible
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: for the creation of the Werewolf Registry. In nineteen sixty five,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: he creates the ban on experimental breeding, which he cites
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: as one of his proudest achievements. In nineteen seventy nine
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: he's awarded the Order of Merlin's Second Class for his
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: services to the field of magic zoology, and he's featured
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: on a Chocolate Frog card. And in the nineteen nineties
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: he's retired to Dorset, where he and Tina live with
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: their three pet measles, Hoppy Millie and Smaller.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Dude. So he's done a lot back to my idea
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: of him telling the story to little Rolf and whatever
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: other grandchildren, and I think even just seeing them.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Of Measles all like sitting around.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: I can picture it so yeah, Luna's there, like I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: can picture it so clearly, and then we get the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: flashback to him in his younger years doing it all,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: and then you can even if you did that as
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: a TV series, you could then even carry it on
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: with Rolf then taking the lead.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe so good, it'd be good.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: Warner Brothers, listen to this, please.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: I got into the wrong career path. I should have
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: become a screenwriter.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: And then you know, ending this out, I had a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: few more unanswered questions here. Newtswand would and core are
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: still unknown. Obviously, we know what it looks like, we've
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: seen the prop, but what do we think it's made
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: out of and what do we think the core is?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: Hm hmm. I got to relook up there to refamiliarize
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: myself with the Uh, it's been a while amy since
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: we've done that episode. Okay, so I think.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: It's got like a little bit of a shell on
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: the inside of it.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just looking at the cores and it's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: I almost think unicorn hair could possibly be the core.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: And now a reminder of unicorn hair, which is wands
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: that produce the most consistent magic and are the least
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: likely to be turned to the Dark Arts.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: That could fit.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with his ability to just being able
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: to rain in creatures and everything like that too. I'm
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: sure there's a lot of magic as part of that
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: as well, and I could see the benefits of consistent
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: magic in that. I could see Phoenix Feather as well.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna go with Unicorn hair.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Mm hmm, that makes sense. His
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: patrona's form is also unknown, and back years ago, JK.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Rowling said that to reveal his patrons would be spoileds
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: for future Fantastic Beast films. But do we think we've
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: seen those spoilers?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Or were they four and five?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I can't think what would have been.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: If it's if it's a salamander, a chilling or chilling Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: I don't even that. Like, I mean, his role with
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: the chill is obviously a major right because he's sent
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: to like capture it, but then after that his role
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: with it is.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Kind of Yeah, we haven't I guess I've seen any
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: other characters patronises from the Fantastic Beasts films, because like
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like if we've seen Tina's maybe
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: as whatever Tina's is.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: But that's why I was thinking the salamander like kind
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: of spoiling, that he like develops feelings for her and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: that it kind of like but all at the same time,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like that's something that is it. Yes,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: such a big spoiler, like right.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: And it's crazy and almost ironic that the one magic
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: zoologist in the franchise, you know, is not if you
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: don't know his petronis. It's like where you know, like
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling she was, you know, kind of like keeping
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: it for the future installments, just to you know, because
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: it was going to be a huge reveal and you know,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: now we're like empty handed.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Well I just googled it, okay, and here's what the
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: AI said. So there's a few different theories.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: So there's one speculation is exactly what I said, the
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: salamander theory suggesting that his patronas is a salamander based
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: on like his name being scamander and then also like
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: the whole salamander eyes and a potential connection to Tina.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: The other thing is exactly what you said, Amy, is
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: that he has a potential same kind of patronis to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: Tina like we see with James and Lily and Remus
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: and tnks. And then the other theory is that it's
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: a phoenix and that it would show his connection to
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: the story of Dumbledore in Fox. That's a good one,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: and a lot of people think that it's maybe some
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: kind of fire creature which works for a phoenix and
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: a salamander.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: So those are the big Yeah, those are the biggest theories.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of Reddit threads about this with people
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: putting out their ideas, some people saying it's a hypogriff
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: do a connection to his mother. I don't think that
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: that that's cute, but I don't see how that would
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: be a spoiler in any kind of way.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Could it be something related to Niccghini? I don't know how.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe, but like his story with Ncghini is so like
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: separated in a way, Like.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: It seems odd to have introduced Nighini with no plans
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: to bring her back in future.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: Probably was plans, but you know.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Which is why I wonder if that was the original intent.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: Could see him maybe that's what when we were talking
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: about like what happened in those ten years that we
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: don't know about. Like, I could see obviously Dumbledore story
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: kind of veering, kind of going more towards the how
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: am I gonna, you know, handle Grindewald, And I could
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: see unless the whole point of bringing Neghini was literally
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: to just be this whole fan service kind of thing,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: which I really hope it wasn't. I hope that there was. No.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think there.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I could see that, like if we were
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: going to do anything with Newt's character, like it would
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: make sense to kind of intertwine him with Nagini in
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: some way because obviously she turns into a beast, right right.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like those ideas are also on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: the cutting room floor of that movie for it by
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: that So.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering, and I know this doesn't answer the Patronis question,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: but now I'm like thinking, I wonder if the plan
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: for the last two films was, like you said, wrap
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: up the double door Grinolvald thing, but then also use
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: the Niccghini story to set the stage for Voldemort.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: Time to connect the two series.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Tom Riddles starts Hogwarts in the late thirties, when these
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: movies would still be going on, right.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were, Yeah, we were looking forward to that.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: You could have wait when we do the math.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Here, could Newt, like be v not have been out of.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts by like nineteen forty six, right, yeah, six forty seven,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you could have used that, and that would
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: have been like the perfect like kind of closing thing
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: of like Nacghini's story wrapping up.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: She likes in that next era.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: And she was role yeah, sure, like almost and on
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: a cliffhanger of Neaghini and like Tom Riddle's face goes dark,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: goes to credits, and you know, the Harry Potter stories
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: is next.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, could Newton have a role in like re
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: homing her like when she like, I'm trying to think
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: about how we could tie in like their stories together
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: involving beasts, right, like, so she eventually becomes fully a snake,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: and then could he have a role in like bringing
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: her someplace safe or something with her becoming fully becoming
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: a beast? But then obviously something happens right after that
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: because she then finds herself with Baltimore or could he
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: have a role in helping her in that transition into
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: fully becoming a beast or someone.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: Where they're like looking for a cure but they fail
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: and he ends up leaving her in Albania and then.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: Right like right comes along.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, hmmm.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: Again, there's another series anyway, is the episode where we
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: write the next four Harry Potter series, And.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about with new and it's
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: so funny because he's such a good character in of himself,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: but he does lead in so many like branches.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: And other stories.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not that we.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: Want him to be a side piece, right, but he
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: also like lends himself well, he's.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: A little bit involved in everybody's lives basically, Yes.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Much to his probably dismay.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just wants to hang out with his beasts.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that he gets.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: To have a nice quiet life, just hang out.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: In his cottage Endorset he deserves.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's why I love Nute so much,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: because I find I know, this was kind of like
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: a hot take what we were talking about how I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: preferred Nute over Harry as a hero just because I
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: think that I don't know, it's just his traits and
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: and how he's like very introverted and he's minding his
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: own business, and he doesn't care about the acknowledgment. He
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: doesn't care about being in the front cover of the
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: Daily Profit. He's just there because he wants the world
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: to be a better place for creatures and for people
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: to coexist. And he you know, he gets along with
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: beasts more than people. You know, I find myself very
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: much reflected there. And his introvertness. Introvertnessness also is you know,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: kind of like plays very well with how I am too,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: and you know, kind of like quirky personality and everything
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: he says is so like spot on and about you know,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: when he talks about humans and and how you know,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: creatures are like you guys said, like the most loyal
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: and you know, who give you unconditional love and the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: most precious beings on this planet. And I love him
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: because he's all about ultimately choosing what's you know, what's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: right for him, like not for him, but for the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: people that he cares about, for his beasts or you know,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: for the world, i'd say. And he's such a complex
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: character in that regard, because yes, he is very introverted.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: He doesn't get along with many people, but once he does,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: and he takes that step. You know, you see how
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: much he is willing to sacrifice and to do for
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: these people that he loves. Doesn't matter if he's a muggle,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter, if he's a wizard, doesn't matter, you know,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: what he likes. He's not going to judge you. He's
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: not going to be, you know, someone who's going to
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: be looking down on you. He's not someone who's taking
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: pride and looking you know, I have a book published,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: and I'm you know, have all of these beasts that
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: I've encountered, and you know, and I just think he's
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: kind of like a little bit of probably has like
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: kind of like anti hero qualities to him. He's not
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: looking to be the hero. He's not chasing that many
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: times he's brought and pulled into situations and and yeah,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: I just love him for for them and how he
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: encompasses and he talks for all the introverts out there
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: and everyone who's you know, just you know, wants to
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: live in a peaceful and good world where we can
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: all just be you know, co exist and be happy.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: And and it's a I don't know, I just think
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: there's a lot to him that I see, you know,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: I see in myself and yeah, I mean I wish
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: I could word it a little bit better, but I
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: get I get you guys understand.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you could have worded it any better.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: And I think that it's like it's exactly it, like
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: he's when you were talking about him, like writing the book, right,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: and like the reason his reasons for writing the book
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: and everything, like it's it's not about like fame for
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: him or what it can get him. And it makes
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: me think, like his character like juxtaposote or juxtaposit, juxtaposition, juxtapose.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: There we go with another character who writes books like Lockhart, right,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: Like Lockhart's very much like I'm writing these books so
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: that my face can be all over them and you
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: want my autograph and you know I can. You know
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: you can be all over I can be all over
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: your bookshelves. And that's not new at all. I think
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: that it's you mentioned it earlier, Amy about how you
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: know with him possibly being like one of the first
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: magic zoologists, because more people were focused on how can
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: we get rid of these beasts? And I think again,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: like comparing him, you know, with Hagrid and everything, they're
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: like no, like we don't to get rid of them,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: like we need to learn how to coexist with them
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: and like how we can help care for them. And
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: he's probably one of the few. And I think to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: what you mentioned earlier, Amy, I'm sure at Hogwarts they're
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: still using fantastic beas and where to find them, because
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody else, apart from maybe Luna
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: and her little s Commander family that she develops, has
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: that kind of love and passion to write this book
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: about how we can care for these creatures or learning
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: so that you learn more about them so you don't
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: have to fear them. And so I think that is
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: also what makes him like really special, is just his
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: focus on things that are people are afraid of and
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: he's not afraid of them, and he takes the time
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: to understand them, like very similar to Hagrid, And I
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: think it's very telling that both of them are just
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: such like kind souls and there's so many similarities between
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: them and it just makes perfect sense.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times, you know, obviously
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: you could look at a hero who's super brave and
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, that's what I want to be.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day. I feel like
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: New is the kind of character that you look at
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that's what we should aspire to be, right,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why so many people love him
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: and relate to him, because it's that inherent like goodness
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: and like those qualities in him that it's like, yeah,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: like that's who I want to be or who I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: picture my best self as at the end of the day,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: like despite flaws or things that you see, but like
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: he is like that package of that just like I
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: don't know how else to describe it, just like goodness
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: and like light in the world that like you should
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: want to be more like New, you know.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and having this very close and very reduced circle
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: of people that he's you know, that he trusts, because
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: we see a lot of times people have, you know,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: dozens of friends everywhere and you're like, oh, I'm so lowly,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: and you know, when you see New and you see
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: he's you know, he's doing well. He has only a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: couple of people he trusts. He has very few friends,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: but those friends are loyal and he would do anything
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: for them, and it makes you feel like, you know,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm not so far off, Maybe I'm not you know,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: I you see you see yourself again, Like I said,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: you see a lot of qualities in yourself like reflected
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: and new and how that, you know, really just shows
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: you how you don't need to have like a bunch
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: of friends and you need you don't need to have
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: this huge social circle around you. You just need people
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: you trust and people you're comfortable with and that will
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: not judge you and will love you regardless of what
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: you like in who you are. And I think that's,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: you know, that's what embodies New as well.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can be awkward and shy and not the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: I think he really embodies like because at the end
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: of the day, like he is a hero, and maybe
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: he doesn't follow the traditional hero's journey that we see,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: and I think that he's very much not your typical hero, right,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: Like he kind of shows that you can be this
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: like I don't know if it's like unsung hero or
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: this like I don't want to say underdog hero because
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's necessarily the underdog, but he's kind
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: of like this silent hero. And when you kind of
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: again that word I stumbled on earlier, juxtapose him to
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: someone like Harry who is much more like outgoing and
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: has to Harry. Harry is your very typical hero, right,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: Like he has to throw himself into very dangerous situations
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: because that's the hand he's dealt. Like, Harry has no choice,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: like really here, like he's always going to find himself
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: in these situations where he's like in these big battles,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: where like Newt's kind of this like behind the scene
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: hero and is doing all these little things that are
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: equally like dangerous, but like these little things that are
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: playing a role in the larger story, whereas like Harry
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: is the larger story, right like he is the main event.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: Where Like Newt has such so many of the things
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: he does. If he didn't do those things, the main
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: event would not happen the way that it did. He
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: plays such a big, such a key role in the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: puzzle pieces without having to be the main event.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's not like the face of the heroics.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: He pulls the strings behind the scene means Dumbledore gets
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: his glory, yeah, and Nute just sits back and he's
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: like yeah.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: And he's okay with that. He's not because he's not ambitious.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: He's like, I don't want to be your poster boy,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: like I don't need to have all the heroics. And
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: I think for him, yeah, for what you said earlier
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: that he mentioned that one of his greatest achievements was
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: creating the band on Experimental Breeding. I mean he literally
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: helped with the downfall of grindle Balls and one of
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: his greatest that's not even you know that just I
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: think that just shows right there, Like I don't even
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: think he understands how important of a role he played
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: in that story, because I think he probably sees it
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: just like what you said, is this being Dumbledore story
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: and like you know, yeah, I had a little bit
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: of a role in there, like no, like you had
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: like such a key role, so much so that we
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: don't even know the full extent of his role. But yeah,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: it's just what he is.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's very humble.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Think he shows that you can be that, right, Like
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: you can be the quiet, awkward, shy person and like
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: still make a difference. You don't have to go out
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: and be the chosen one, the poster but I mean
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: not the hair again love Harry, so like it's not
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: on him. It was forced into that life, But you
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: don't have to be in the spotlight to still make
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: a difference, and I think he shows that to.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: People, and I think yeah, and I think Harry also
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: whenever he achieved something, he took pride in it a
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: little bit and he was a bit more of a
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say he was like boasting about
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: it or anything, but he did, you know, he did
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: really find fulfillness in those things. And you know that's
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: where his gryffindor side kicks in a little bit more.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: But you know, Mute is not about that. Mute's always
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: going to be, you know, kind of like being as
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: you guys said, like very modest, very humble, and always
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: kind of like underestimated his impact and his achievements and saying, yes,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: the ban on, you know, experimental breed is my most
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: precious you know, achievement and uh not you know, contributing
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: in the fall. He's like, oh, by the way, yeah,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: I contributed to the you know, but just like side note,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: you know, like, but yeah, well.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: Glad I did that. Now I got to get back
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: to my beats. Yeah, you know, you got to go
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: make sure they're fat in there, like like it's nothing.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and I think that's exactly why He's such
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: a great character and works so well with Tina because
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like they're such opposites in that way because
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: she is, I think, much more of that bold type
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: and that like go getter type, and so I just
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: think that they're such a good example of kind of
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: like opposites attracting and it's like he can kind of
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: continue to be like, you know, I don't want to
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: say recluse. I don't think he's like a word clues,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: but like he can kind of continue to be that
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: inward introvert that he is because she's such an extrovert,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Like she can go out and be the one that's
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: the extrovert for them as a pairing, and he can
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: kind of just you know, sit there with petting his
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: little neasle and don't worry, Tina will handle the business. Yeah.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great character. Yeah.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: And I think also the fact that he's portrayed by
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: Eddie Retmain makes it, you know, a lot more likable
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: and lovable. And he just does such an amazing job.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: And you know, I don't think anyone could tell you,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: no mute such a dull character. I'm sure there are
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: people who think that, probably, but it just makes you
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: love the character even more because he didn't really have much,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: Like we only had the book for so many years,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: and then we had this story where we were actually
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: being introduced to this character and we started learning about him,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: and yeah, we I think we all like instantly fell
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: in love with with him and we would love to,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: you know, know more about his adventures and how it
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: all unfolded eventually. So you know, let's try to keep
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: it positive.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, there's hope.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, there we go, and they got a positive name.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, specialis Revellio. Okay, So for this episode's rotating segment,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: we decided to do Specialities Revellio, which is very you know,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: it goes in really well with what we were talking about.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: So today we are going to be exploring the etymology
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: behind Mute's name. So we're going to start off by
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: his first name and last name, and then we're going
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: to dive into to his two middle names, which are
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: quite revealing. But first off, so his name is Mute.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: It's actually mutant, but Mute refers to a small, brightly
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: colored amphoibian with a tail, and Mute have long standing
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: associations with magic and potion making. For example, I of
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: Mute and making the name a very perfect student to
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: a magic zoologist and symbolically and Mute is a small,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: unassuming creature tied to transformation, nature and enchantment. I think
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: that's very telling, where you know it's unassuming and you
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: know it's about nature and you know magic, and I
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: think those tie and really well with Mute himself. And
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: then his last name. His surname is Scamander, which refers
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: to the river Scamander of Anatolia in Homer's Alid, personified
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: as a river god. This connects new to mythology, nature
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: and flowing wonderings. And again, mythology has been a common
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: thread when we discuss names in the Wizarding World in
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: previous episodes, and many of these names are strongly rooted
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: in Greek mythology. And there's also a playful aliberation with salamander.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: We've been talking about Salamander's in this episode, which is
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: a creature closely related to Newts in the class of amphibians,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: and in the Wizarding World, salamanders are fire dwelling, magical lizards.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: So again we have the river nature, we have scamander,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: the alliteration with salamander, the magical creature. But I was Actually,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: I think I was more surprised by both middle names
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: because I think they're very telling and shed more light
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: on some of his personal traits as well. So his
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: two middle names, like Amy pointed out earlier, are Artemis
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: Fido Fido, right.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's Fido.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: So, first off, Artemis Nude's first middle name comes from
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: the Greek goddess of hunt, wilderness and wild animals. This
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: further summons his character as someone deeply connected to nature
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: and its creatures, and Fido, his second middle name, literally
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: means I trust in Latin, which is fitting for a
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: loyal hufflebuff. I'm sure Amy can't attest to that.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: Interestingly, in Greek, the word means reality or lack of excess,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: which again I think you know, plays in very well
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: with newte. He wasn't about the excess. He didn't want power,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: he didn't want control, he didn't want the fame. He
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: didn't you know, he like what we were talking about.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: He just wanted to mind his own business and do
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: what was best. Ultimately picked the right side. But I
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: also thought that was very very tallying and very revealing.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: And additionally, Fido is commonly used as a typical pet
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: dog name, which reinforces themes of companionship and loyalty and
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: also care for creatures. So I thought these two were really,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: you know, very nice ways to kind of like round
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: off what we've just been discussing about. Nude and you know,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: ties in very well, so just to you know, to summarize,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: and you know, his full name is actually layered with symbolism.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: So we have the animals and nature, which is nude
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: artemists commander echoing the word salamander, that little alliteration going on.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: This commander as a river god, the river that it's
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: constantly flowing. It's not stagnant, you know, it's something that's
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: always you know, flowing to new horizons, to new places.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: And also we have the themes of loyalty and trust
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: like Fido and and you know his brutes of being
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: a hufflepuff, and last but not least, the wondering naturalist imagerie. Uh,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: this commander, the River's commander, which was to me and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: to me and dr to me and dure again. Yeah, Meander,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: thank you, Yeah Meander, never stagnant and as I said,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: always on the move. So yeah, I think these were
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: really nice, you know, kind of hints into what makes
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: Newts Commander who he is. They're all very revealing. There's
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know, things related to nature and
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: to just you know being adventure us and just escaping
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: into the wilderness. So yeah, I think that was pretty
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: pretty and and and it's an interesting thing to look up.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: M love that.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: Mm hm yeah, he might have one of the best
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: like name etymologies.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Sonorious.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: So for this episode, for our Sonorous segment, we of
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: course are recording, like we've mentioned earlier than normal, and
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: so we of course Jerry came in and got in
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: a nice little answer to our question. But we still
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: want to even if we don't have a chance to
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: read it, you know, in this episode, we still would
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: love to hear from you about, you know, our last
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: discussion question on social media or you know, via email.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: But our last episode we asked what do you think
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: are the most impressive special effects in the fantastic these films?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: And so Jerry shared that she has vision issues, so
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: she admits that many of the details that were under
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: discussion are things that she doesn't notice very much, at
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: least not consciously. Jerry says I'm so busy struggling to
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: figure out what is going on. I seldom know the
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: way you three seem to know what cgi and what
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: is practical. For example, Jerry goes on to say that said,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: I love the scenes in Newt's case and basement, and
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: in the gold Stein's apartment in New York, and many
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: more that were mentioned. Jerry says, perhaps if I had
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: to name a favorite, it might be the department store
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: Hunt for the Dummy Guys and Achamy, which is really good.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: We didn't even mention that scene, but it is probably
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: as much for the way the quintet worked together as
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: a team as for the special effects. Jerry says, I
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: love movies and TV shows for the personalities of characters,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: human or magical that I come to love or love
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: to hate more than for the quality of the effects.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: Jerry says that said, I love a good fantastic being
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: any effects that bring them to life.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: That is a good scene. Yeah, just how the acame that,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: how it shifts in size going into the teapot.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And how they work, like all of them, like Tina,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: Jacob and and you just work together and you know,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: kind of like put this puzzlely together to capture the like,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: I think that was such good teamwork and.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: It's very well choreographed, it's very well Yes, yes, it
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: actually makes you think, oh, this is a nice you know,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: a nice group of people, a nice trio.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: Going on, Like I'm actually feeling this. I'm not sure
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: Ifqueeny was there. I think she wasn't right, I think
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think she was in this scene. It I
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: think it was just Jacob, Tina and Mute, but I'd
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: have to rewatch.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was only three of them.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to do a rewatch. We need to
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: do deep dives into the Fantastic Beats film, which could
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: be a good you know it's this could be a
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: good seguay yeah into into yeah.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Well, and to Jerry's point as well, like, I will
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: say that most film watchers are not as keen eyed
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: on the special effects and what's practical and what's not like,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: so definitely, don't you know, feel any kind of way,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: like if you know, if you're somebody who doesn't really
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: notice that, because most people don't. I think it's just
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: like the three of us are super interested in special
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: effects and in those things. But hopefully that's why We
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: like doing those episodes too, like to point out things
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: that maybe like other people don't or never thought of
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: before in terms of like, you know, behind the scenes
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: movie making. Jerry, I also don't know how we seem
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: to know what CGI and what's practically either, So some
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: of its researched. We might be, we might be. But
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: that's that's a good That's also like the the We're
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: getting to the end of the episode here, so I'm
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: losing words. The mark of a good film is if
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: you can't really tell the difference between the CGI and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: the practical. That's when you know the special effects are
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: really good. Because if you go back and listen to
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: what we talked about what's not so good. Usually when
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: it's not so good, it's because they didn't do such
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: a good job blending the practical with the CGI, or
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: it's too CGI.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And if the practical is not convincing enough,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: then there's no CGI that's going to you know, make
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: it look seamless. It's just a matter of making both
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: work and making both equally good, because otherwise it's kind
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: of like dead on arrival, Like there's no way that
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: you're going to make something sound or look convincing. So yeah,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: and a lot of it, like Nichol said, like a
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: lot of it is from behind the scenes and DVDs
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: and companion books that we've kind of like over the years,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: we're kind of like being feed off of.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: So it's definitely a niche thing, but actually something to
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: a point that you made here, Jerry in that scene
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: and talking about how well the characters work together. So
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: that's also something that's really great with special effects because
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  Speaker 3: if you've got the actors that work really well together
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  Speaker 3: and are working really well, it makes your special effects
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  Speaker 3: look more believable. So even if you didn't like necessarily
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  Speaker 3: notice the special effects in that scene, you kind of
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  Speaker 3: did because I think because they work so well together,
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  Speaker 3: it just made the special effects even more like believable
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  Speaker 3: in that scene.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, kudos to the team. So we discussed
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  Speaker 4: this a little bit already in our main discussion, but
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  Speaker 4: now we want to hear from you. So what form
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  Speaker 4: do you think nuts Patronas would take. As always, we
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  Speaker 3: Can I just say the way that your moon calf
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  Speaker 3: has been staring at us this entire recording, I keep yeah, like,
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  Speaker 3: you better not talk bad about my dad, right, I
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  Speaker 3: keep noticing it, and I'm it's like, Amy, you might
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  Speaker 3: not know because I know you're not on TikTok, but
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  Speaker 3: there's this like trend on TikTok where like someone will
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  Speaker 3: come on and I'll be like, you know, my husband's
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  Speaker 3: going to tell you about this thing he made and
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  Speaker 3: you better be nice. That's what your moon calf looks like.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't seen that one.
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  Speaker 3: Because I just kept thinking that the whole episode really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So definitely stay tuned for our next episode and
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  Speaker 1: our official review of Tom Felton and Cursed Child. So
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  Speaker 1: that will be a fun one for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Can't wait, can't wait to hear all
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  Speaker 1: Right until next time, I'm Amy, I'm Nicole, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: Tom