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Sharri | 30 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening will major news tonight. A bombshell racism scandal
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Speaker 2: has hit the Collingwood Football Club. Senior executives at the
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Speaker 2: AFL club have been accused of highly offensive racial slurs
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Speaker 2: towards Indigenous players.
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Speaker 3: And a Jewish colleague.
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Speaker 2: This exclusive story on tomorrow's front page of The Herald
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Speaker 2: Son reports that the chief executive, Craig Kelly, has been
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Speaker 2: accused of joking about putting a live effing possum in
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Speaker 2: a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: elder a dumb old bee. The paper has obtained explosive
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Speaker 2: court documents which also claim that Kelly joked about sending
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Speaker 2: a photograph of a free Palestine sign to a Jewish
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Speaker 2: colleague to wind her up. He is alleged to have
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Speaker 2: seen a free Palestine sign in the street and said,
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Speaker 2: and I quote quick, take a photo of that, send
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Speaker 2: it to Garlit and watch her go off. He was
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Speaker 2: reportedly referring to garllt Yeri, Collingwood's executive general.
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Speaker 3: Manager for People and Culture.
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Speaker 2: In another comment, Kelly is alleged to have said to
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Speaker 2: the then First Nation strategy head Mark Kleaver, why do
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Speaker 2: you need to use Google Maps. I assume your people
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Speaker 2: can navigate with their eyes closed. Victoria Police has also
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Speaker 2: been notified over allegations of physical assaults and there's more
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Speaker 2: detail on this on the Herald's Sun website right now. Now,
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Speaker 2: Sky News and The Herald's Sign are not suggesting any
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Speaker 2: of the claims are true, only that they have been
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Speaker 2: made in documents before the court. Well known law firm
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Speaker 2: Morris Blackburn is taking on this case and their principal
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Speaker 2: Daniel Victory. So the allegations call into question whether the
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Speaker 2: Collingwood Football Club has learned anything from its racism scandals.
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Speaker 2: A report into racism in twenty twenty one led to
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Speaker 2: Eddie mcgwai's resignation as Collingwood president after twenty two years. Now,
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Speaker 2: the AFL Integrity Unit has been made aware of this
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Speaker 2: hr complaint but has deemed it a workplace issue for
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Speaker 2: the club. There'll be a court hearing on August twenty seven,
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Speaker 2: and this story.
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Speaker 3: Is going to be big news. Now.
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Speaker 2: As I said, you can head to the Herald Sun website.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot more detail on that story. It is
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Speaker 2: going to be front page of the Herald Sun tomorrow
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Speaker 2: we've got that front page. We're going to bring it
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Speaker 2: to you in a moment throughout the show. Now, in
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Speaker 2: such a tumultuous time in the world, we need tough
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Speaker 2: leaders in charge of our national security. Yet we have
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi and Tony Burke, two knock about factional figures
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Speaker 2: who were never considered leadership material, and yet somehow one
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Speaker 2: is the Prime Minister and the other the Home Affairs Minister. Worse,
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Speaker 2: Albanezi has since coming to office got it Australia's premier
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Speaker 2: national security.
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Speaker 3: Agency, Home Affairs.
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Speaker 2: He's stripped ASIO and other critical operational agencies from it.
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Speaker 2: Now the move to install Tony Burke in Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: has been so controversial that Albin Easy was forced to
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Speaker 2: come out today and defend his actions.
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke is someone who has been successful in everything
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Speaker 4: he has done and undertaken. He already has hit the
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Speaker 4: ground running. He's there in Indonesia.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister also launched a scathing attack on the
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Speaker 2: highly sensible and talented James Patterson, who was the first
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Speaker 2: to point out just how ludicrous Tony Burke's appointment was.
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Speaker 3: Yet alban Easy shot.
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Speaker 4: Back, James Patterson is a shocking message to Australians that
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Speaker 4: all you need to do is to be negative and opposed.
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Speaker 4: About time James Patterson stood up for the Australian national
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Speaker 4: interest instead of just playing politics.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, James Patterson is the one who is clear eyed
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Speaker 2: when it comes to national security, not Alban Easy. Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke dutifully followed Alban Easy by ripping into patison this morning,
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Speaker 2: even though it's his own record as Immigration Minister that's
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Speaker 2: now under question.
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Speaker 5: Can I just say, what an idiotic comment from somebody
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Speaker 5: who's clearly never been a minister and has like he's
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Speaker 5: made up a way of looking at statistics about me.
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Speaker 5: If that's the character of my shadow, then we'll just
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Speaker 5: deal with what comes at us. I have never hesitated
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Speaker 5: to reject visas or to cancel visus. He'll probably never
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Speaker 5: refer to that statistic because it's just irrefutable if you
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Speaker 5: go back through the records, is what I did last
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Speaker 5: time and the sort of decisions that will happen under
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Speaker 5: my watch again.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: I asked James Patterson to respond to these attacks from
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Speaker 2: Albanizi and Tony Burke today and he told me I
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Speaker 2: understand why the Prime Minister and Tony Burke are sensitive.
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Speaker 2: I'd be embarrassed too with that record. Burke led in
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Speaker 2: eighty three votes carrying six thousand, six hundred illegal arrivals
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Speaker 2: in just eighty days as Immigration minister. Children in detention
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Speaker 2: peaked at one nine hundred and ninety two on his watch.
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Speaker 2: But Australians are entitled to expect a Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: Minister for Home Affairs who are calm and measured, not
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Speaker 2: who resort to unhinged rants when their record is scrutinized. Well,
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Speaker 2: Albinizi tried to defend Burke, saying that the six thousand
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Speaker 2: asylum seekers who came under him weren't actually his fault.
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Speaker 4: It's the only person and group who send messages to
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Speaker 4: people smugglers which could give them some heart is the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: What we've done is put in place Operation Sovereign Borders
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Speaker 4: with more funding than it has ever received since it
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Speaker 4: was created.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's turn to Tony Burke's own words, because in
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Speaker 2: his own words, he admitted that lives were lost while
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Speaker 2: he was the Immigration minister in twenty and thirteen.
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Speaker 7: I was the shadow Minister for Immigration before the two
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Speaker 7: thousand and seven election. I took to the election and
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Speaker 7: to this conference a platform that the entire conference cheered.
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Speaker 7: I changed our platform so that we stood for the
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Speaker 7: abolition of temporary projection visus. I was there for fewer
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Speaker 7: than four months, and there are thirty three lives that
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Speaker 7: were lost on my watch.
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Speaker 2: And then there's the concern that we spoke about last
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Speaker 2: night that Tony Burke won't be tough calling out the
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Speaker 2: top threat facing Australia Islamic extremists because he's under pressure
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Speaker 2: from the Muslim vote in his own electorate. Burke failed
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Speaker 2: to quickly condemn the hate preachers who celebrated the Hamas
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Speaker 2: terror attacks just twenty four hours after the bloodshed. Will
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Speaker 2: Former Queensland Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner laid into him
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Speaker 2: over this.
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Speaker 8: His own electorate is the epicenter of his Islamic extremism
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Speaker 8: in Australia, the center of hate preachers, and yet as
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Speaker 8: the local member, he's waved it all through. So Goodness
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Speaker 8: knows what he does as our Home Affairs Minister when
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Speaker 8: our national security is at stake. Goodness knows when he's
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Speaker 8: got the demand for Palestinian refugees in verte Commas to
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Speaker 8: come out after the conflict, who will no doubt be
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Speaker 8: flooded with Hamas and other g hardy operatives and it
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Speaker 8: will wave them through. As a weak Immigration minister, Tony
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Speaker 8: Burg is utterly compromised because his own personal endeavor and
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Speaker 8: trying to hold on the seat of Watson against the
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Speaker 8: Muslim vote will compromise every single decision.
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Speaker 2: He makes pretty strong comments and he's probably right.
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Speaker 3: There's also concerned.
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Speaker 2: That Home Affairs no longer has any operation or agencies
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Speaker 2: with the AFP.
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Speaker 3: The acic Ostrak.
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Speaker 2: And now ASIO all moved out we Albanezi claimed he
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Speaker 2: was moving Azeo to the Attorney General's Department to keep
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Speaker 2: it with the AFP.
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Speaker 4: It was a logical thing to put ASIO together with
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Speaker 4: the AFP. We inherited a system that was simply dysfunctional.
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Speaker 2: But it's nonsense because the AFP and AZIO were already
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Speaker 2: both together under Home Affairs prior to Albanezi becoming Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: So you have to.
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Speaker 2: Wonder is he trying to appease Mike Drafis here, the
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Speaker 2: Attorney General who many suspect will choose to retire in
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Speaker 2: the not too distant future. Well, The Australian's editorial has
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Speaker 2: highlighted problems with this.
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Speaker 3: They're right.
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Speaker 2: The government's other moves, however, especially gutting the Home Affairs Department,
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Speaker 2: pose a significant risk to the nation and to the government.
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Speaker 2: Weakening of our national security comes at the most volatile
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Speaker 2: time in decades. Israel and Hesbelah on the cusp of war.
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Speaker 2: Russia is disseminating disinformation on social media, and there's an
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Speaker 2: increasingly aggressive Iran and China. More than ever, we need
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Speaker 2: to have confidence in our national security team. All right,
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Speaker 2: We're just going to bring you now the front page
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Speaker 2: of the Herald Sun tomorrow with his latest breaking bombshell
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Speaker 2: racism scandal at the Collingwood AFL Club. We'll show that
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Speaker 2: to you now. So that is the Herald Sign front
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Speaker 2: page tomorrow. This is going to be an ongoing, big issue.
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Speaker 2: Those documents emerging in court. Also coming up on the
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Speaker 2: show tonight, Israel on the brink of war with Lebanon
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Speaker 2: as Australians are told.
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Speaker 3: To evacuate immediately.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty will join me live plus
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Speaker 2: all eyes on tomorrow's inflation data as the RBA gears
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Speaker 2: up for.
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Speaker 3: A crucial rates decision.
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Speaker 2: Will have economists Economist Judith Sloan give us her prediction
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Speaker 2: and we'll coast live to Paris for more Olympics coverage.
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Speaker 2: But first let's bring it now Tonight's panel, former Speaker
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Speaker 2: of the House Bronwan Bishop.
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Speaker 9: And Sky News host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 3: Thank you both very much for your time. Rom When
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Speaker 3: I want to get.
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Speaker 2: Your view on what has been the political biggest political
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Speaker 2: issue of the past two days, Albanezi choosing to promote
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke into the Home Affairs portfolio.
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Speaker 10: Well, you know, people laugh when I said that Tony
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Speaker 10: Burke gave the unions everything they wanted because when there's
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Speaker 10: a leadership context, when Albow goes.
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Speaker 11: Unions will give him the vote and give him the leadership.
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Speaker 10: But it's part of the same, part of the same
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Speaker 10: mental strategy for Burke. He's now been given the power
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Speaker 10: to increase the number of people coming in from Gaza,
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Speaker 10: which will in fact is part of his campaign to
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Speaker 10: try and stabilize the West where the Muslim movement vote
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Speaker 10: movement is growing. He is was a failure absolutely, as
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Speaker 10: we've just heard when he had the portfolio before.
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Speaker 11: But not only that, the.
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Speaker 10: Man is running Leader of the House, which is a
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Speaker 10: big job to run the House. He's got all these
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Speaker 10: elected a bit like Scott Morrison really is the Minster perfectly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably does have five ministries. He's still Arts minister.
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Speaker 2: It's immigrants show tickets indeed, so you know he but
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Speaker 2: he is.
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Speaker 11: He is a very ambitious man.
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Speaker 10: But he's the only one who talks about him being
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Speaker 10: the leader exactly nowadays.
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Speaker 3: Thinks he can seriously be the Prime Minister, except for.
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Speaker 11: Nobody talked about elbow. Do you see That's why it's
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Speaker 11: a problem.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: True, Well, let's have a listen to fromer Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott. He was on with Peter Kradlin earlier here
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Speaker 2: he was.
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Speaker 12: For Tony Burke to have any credibility as a new
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Speaker 12: immigration minister, he's really got to begin with a bit
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Speaker 12: of an apology, frankly for his previous record, and I
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Speaker 12: think a full account of what he did wrong then
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Speaker 12: and how it's going to be different now.
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Speaker 6: Caleb.
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Speaker 2: You know, Tony Burke and Albanezi are trying to spin
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Speaker 2: their way out of Tony Burke's record, but you can't
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Speaker 2: spin figures. The data shows what the data shows, and
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Speaker 2: that's why I've played that grabbed tonight and last night
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Speaker 2: of Tony Burke himself saying how many lives were lost
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Speaker 2: when he was the Immigration Minister?
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Speaker 1: Correct, and roughly one bow to day came to Australia
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Speaker 1: during his short tenure, it should be noted before the
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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen election as Immigration Minister. He cannot get away
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Speaker 1: from that.
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Speaker 6: And the idea that this.
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Speaker 1: Sort of swaggering, arrogant character that Tony Burke portrays himself
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Speaker 1: to be would either be a potential future leader just
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Speaker 1: obsud but the idea that all the other portfolios has
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Speaker 1: got and I know how upset Bronwen would be that
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Speaker 1: Arts will sort of fall to the wayside given everything
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Speaker 1: else he has to worry about. The idea that he
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Speaker 1: can take on Immigration and Home Affairs with the great
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Speaker 1: misses that have been created in those two portfolios under
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Speaker 1: the previous ministers, and given his previous record, that he's
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Speaker 1: going to be able to do anything better than him,
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Speaker 1: I just can't see it. And then of course we
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Speaker 1: have the news today that the number of patrol flights
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Speaker 1: being done around the border to monitor these incoming votes.
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Speaker 3: Has reduced and we've had at.
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Speaker 1: Least three make landfall since this government was elected. You
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Speaker 1: know how is he going to clean any of this
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Speaker 1: up if the number of patrols. Even though the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister says, oh, we've put more money into sovereign borders
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Speaker 1: than ever before. Well, the inflation racks also gone up,
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Speaker 1: so of course you're putting more money into it. But
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Speaker 1: we haven't seen any action as if Burke is going
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Speaker 1: to be able to turn that around, certainly not without
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Speaker 1: the support of the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 11: Those survey and flights us so important.
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Speaker 10: I've actually flown those flights and I know how important
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Speaker 10: it is to pick up the illegals, including fishing boats,
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Speaker 10: and telephone would telegraph the message back to.
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Speaker 11: The naval vessels because when they come in.
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Speaker 10: I remember we found a boat and there they're holding
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Speaker 10: up their phone saying here, cheer, come and take us in,
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Speaker 10: take us into Australia.
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Speaker 2: And of course we saw at the end of last
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Speaker 2: year that illegal fishing vessels had arrived on Australian and
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Speaker 2: it had been four or five days and no one
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Speaker 2: had actually picked up that they were there because there
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Speaker 2: is less less both aerial surveillance and maritime patrols as well.
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Speaker 1: I think it came down to, wasn't it some local
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Speaker 1: Aboriginal people who had a drone that they bought from
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Speaker 1: JB High Fire were the ones who pointed it out.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the heaven's sake, if they can do a
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Speaker 1: better job of border patrol than operations sovereign borders, can,
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Speaker 1: we've got real problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't forget they've stripped Mike Pizzillo out well.
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Speaker 2: So this is an emasculating of the portfolio.
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Speaker 11: Indeed it is.
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Speaker 2: Now a new report by the Low Institute has found
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Speaker 2: that the cost of the Orchest Partnership will be a
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Speaker 2: fraction of the NDIS. The nuclear powered submarines are reported
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Speaker 2: to cost around ten billion dollars a year, which is
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Speaker 2: roughly one tenth of what the NDIS is predicted to
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Speaker 2: cost over the next thirty years. Bronwin, this is a
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Speaker 2: big problem. The ndis a clear cost blowout. No one
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Speaker 2: says it's not an important initiative, but we've seen in
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Speaker 2: recent months that the scheme is being abused and misused.
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Speaker 11: Yes it is. And the point that.
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Speaker 10: The realization has to be this, if we can't defend ourselves,
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Speaker 10: if we can't remain a free and independent nation, there will.
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Speaker 11: Be no NDIS nil.
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Speaker 10: We have to have our economy structured so that we
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Speaker 10: can support those in need.
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Speaker 11: But the way it is roarted.
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Speaker 10: One of the most terrifying figures I've seen in recent
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Speaker 10: times is of all new jobs that were created in
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Speaker 10: the last twelve months, thirty percent of them went to
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Speaker 10: the ndis now the way in which money is being
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Speaker 10: ripped out of the system. There has to be caps
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Speaker 10: put on it. But Shorten just talks about it, flaps
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Speaker 10: the lips, goes on radio, says oh, I'm doing something
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Speaker 10: about it, and never does because he'll get criticized by
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Speaker 10: that section of the community. So there has to be
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Speaker 10: a strong policy that does put.
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Speaker 3: Caps in place.
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Speaker 10: It says, he's an allocation of money. It can't go
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Speaker 10: above there's the amount. The question of registration has to
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Speaker 10: be addressed. But in order that mister Shorten can keep
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Speaker 10: his leadership hopes alive, he will do nothing because he'll
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Speaker 10: become in for heavy criticism.
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Speaker 11: So that is the problem. But the fundamental thing is this.
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Speaker 10: The job of the federal government is to protect the
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Speaker 10: country and protect the people up and if that fails,
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Speaker 10: then all the sorts of wellherd famous we have will disappear.
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Speaker 2: No indeed, but Caleb, I think it's extraordinary that this
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Speaker 2: is clearly the biggest future issue affecting the federal government,
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Speaker 2: and there's just not enough action to even develop a
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Speaker 2: path to try and reign in the costs.
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Speaker 1: No, and I mean you look at the cost of
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Speaker 1: the NDAs and then the cost that they're now putting
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Speaker 1: towards trying to stop the ruts at least find some
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Speaker 1: of the routers, which is about four hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: million dollars a year, which is about ten percent of
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Speaker 1: the entire NDAs budget. So ten percent of the NDA's
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Speaker 1: budget is being spent to catch the people who are
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Speaker 1: routing the system. If that doesn't tell you the system
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Speaker 1: is broken, then then nothing else will. And going back
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Speaker 1: to Orcus, you cannot put a price on the defense
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Speaker 1: of the nation. And Ronwood makes the point about how
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Speaker 1: many jobs have been created through the NDAs, many of
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Speaker 1: which are nonsense jobs. There are jobs to be created
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Speaker 1: in defense now. Of course, this report also goes on
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Speaker 1: to say that there's concern about whether or not we
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Speaker 1: have the workforce to complete some of those jobs. And again,
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Speaker 1: what are we doing as a country if we are
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Speaker 1: so shortsighted that we are willing to spend the billions
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Speaker 1: and billions and billions that we spend on the NDAs,
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Speaker 1: which is clearly over the top and being rauted, And
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Speaker 1: we quibble over how much money is being spent on
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Speaker 1: UCAS and we're not putting the pieces in place to
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Speaker 1: get the people, train up the kids to go and
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Speaker 1: build those submarines and do all the other jobs that
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Speaker 1: comes with defense. Well, we've totally lost the plot we have.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, this sort of conversations you do depress you about
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Speaker 2: the future of our country.
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Speaker 3: Now something a bit lighter.
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Speaker 2: According to a new poll in The Guardian, of all places,
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Speaker 2: they say that Australians have warmed to Donald Trump over
18:44
Speaker 2: the past four years, with apparently thirty six percent of
18:48
Speaker 2: ozzs is now saying they have a favorable view of
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Speaker 2: the farmer and maybe future president. This is a fifteen
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Speaker 2: percent increase compared to November twenty twenty from when I
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Speaker 2: think it's so interesting that at the last election there
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Speaker 2: are a whole lot of people who were too shy
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Speaker 2: or scared to admit that they were Donald Trump fans.
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Speaker 9: We're not seeing that now, and including high.
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Speaker 2: Profile people in the tech sector in Wall Street in
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Speaker 2: the United States are coming out supporting him.
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Speaker 11: They're awful good reason.
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Speaker 10: They know that America is laughed at with the current leadership,
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Speaker 10: and they know that strong leadership is desperately needed. They
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Speaker 10: know that Donald Trump has been put through the mill.
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Speaker 10: To put it mildly, they've tried to take him off
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Speaker 10: the ballot paper, They've had all these lawfare cases against him,
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Speaker 10: and then he survives an assassination attempt and still comes
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Speaker 10: out fighting and capable and on top of it. Now,
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Speaker 10: being the leader of the free world is complex. To
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Speaker 10: put it mildly, there are many issues you have to
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Speaker 10: deal with all the time, and they want someone who
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Speaker 10: is able to deal with a multitude of issues at
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Speaker 10: a sensible intellectual level with strength, which will show the
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Speaker 10: rest of the world that America can be a strong leader.
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Speaker 11: Again.
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Speaker 9: It's going to continue to be a fascinating election.
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Speaker 3: Just before we are.
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Speaker 11: Less interested in his table manners.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, just before we go Caleb and New Zealand
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Speaker 2: has described its carbon emissions reduction targets as unachievable by
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty. This is the first major airline to actually
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Speaker 2: admit that it's.
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Speaker 3: Not going to meet its targets. Are you expecting to see.
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Speaker 2: Other companies come out and say, look, we couldn't quite
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Speaker 2: get that.
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Speaker 1: Well, if they've got the gonades to admit that they
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Speaker 1: can't quite get there, I mean in New Zealand has
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Speaker 1: just had the common sense to say, look, it's simply
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Speaker 1: not possible. It's not possible anywhere. I mean everyone who
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Speaker 1: works in the energy sector in this country privately, not
20:49
Speaker 1: necessarily publicly, will admit that Australia is not going to
20:53
Speaker 1: achieve its renewable targets by twenty thirty and certainly won't
20:57
Speaker 1: achieve its net zero targets by twenty thirty because you
21:00
Speaker 1: don't have the renewable energy coming online. The energy sector
21:03
Speaker 1: knows that, but the government won't admit it. So the
21:06
Speaker 1: energy sector is actually scared. People feel scared to come
21:10
Speaker 1: out and publicly say leaders from AGL and whatever, that
21:14
Speaker 1: we're not going to meet those targets because they worry
21:16
Speaker 1: about the retribution that they will face from the federal
21:19
Speaker 1: government for doing so, even though they all know it.
21:22
Speaker 1: And I think that's what will cause other companies to
21:24
Speaker 1: just sort of sit idly by and not admit that
21:26
Speaker 1: these problems exist, because you go, well, you know, we'll
21:29
Speaker 1: get to twenty thirty and we'll deal with it then,
21:30
Speaker 1: but we all know it's not going to happen. Just
21:33
Speaker 1: admit that it won't happen and get on with the job.
21:35
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has said those targets aren't going to be
21:37
Speaker 2: matt so he said, you know, we're not going to
21:40
Speaker 2: even abide by that connatement.
21:41
Speaker 3: Albaniz he attacked him over that.
21:43
Speaker 6: But what's going to happen?
21:44
Speaker 2: I mean, at what point is Albaniz he going to
21:46
Speaker 2: admit that Australia won't meet the twenty thirty targets and
21:49
Speaker 2: he doesn't even want to talk about what the targets
21:51
Speaker 2: will be for twenty thirty five.
21:53
Speaker 3: They do have to make a decision on that. Chris
21:54
Speaker 3: Bowen's in charge of.
21:55
Speaker 1: That one, so I don't think he wants to admit
21:57
Speaker 1: it because it's embarrassing and then we know that's the
22:00
Speaker 1: last thing that likes in reality. True.
22:04
Speaker 2: All right, brother and Bishop Calebon, thank you both so much,
22:06
Speaker 2: and Caleb will of course see you ten o'clock tonight.
22:09
Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, the Albenzi government is
22:11
Speaker 2: slashing surveillance of boat arrivals.
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Speaker 3: Shadow Defense Minister Andrew.
22:16
Speaker 2: Hasty would join me live plus Judith Sloan on whether
22:19
Speaker 2: we're winning or losing the fight against inflation.
22:27
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, over the past two years, as we've been discussing tonight,
22:31
Speaker 2: while labor has been in power, surveillance flights to detect
22:34
Speaker 2: illegal boat arrivals have dropped by twenty two percent. Ben
22:38
Speaker 2: Packhen reports that the maritime patrol hours were also down
22:42
Speaker 2: nineteen percent over the same period. Well, let's bring in
22:45
Speaker 2: our shadow Defense Minister, Andrew Hasty. Andrew, great to see
22:49
Speaker 2: you again. Look, why do you think the Albenzi government
22:53
Speaker 2: is dedicating fewer resources to boat and aerial surveillance.
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Speaker 13: We've seen surveillance flight hours and maritime patrol hours go
23:05
Speaker 13: down under this government. They're under investing in Operation Sovereign Borders,
23:09
Speaker 13: and all that does is send a signal that we're
23:11
Speaker 13: not serious about protecting our borders. It signals weakness to
23:14
Speaker 13: the very people we're trying to stop, the people smugglers.
23:18
Speaker 13: So the best way to deter people smugglers is to
23:20
Speaker 13: demonstrate you serious about protecting the borders. And in order
23:24
Speaker 13: to do that, you need to have a fairly heavy
23:26
Speaker 13: surveillance presence, both in the air and on the water.
23:29
Speaker 13: On this government. It's gone down and since the twenty
23:32
Speaker 13: two election we've had nineteen voter rivals. Just in the
23:36
Speaker 13: last two months we've had about five voter rivals with
23:39
Speaker 13: one hundred and fifty odd people illegally arriving in our waters.
23:43
Speaker 13: So that's a problem and we're going to see more
23:45
Speaker 13: of it, particularly with Tony Burke now the Home Affairs Minister.
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Speaker 2: Look, the Prime Minister has said that it's the coalition
23:52
Speaker 2: that's talking up this problem, that's sending the message to
23:55
Speaker 2: people smugglers, that it's now Labour's now weak on this
23:58
Speaker 2: issue and that there'll.
23:59
Speaker 3: Be more go to rivals.
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Speaker 9: What's your response to that accusation.
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Speaker 13: I think Anthony Albanesi is not someone who takes responsibility
24:10
Speaker 13: and his job as the Prime Minister is pretty simple.
24:13
Speaker 13: It's to keep our border secure, it's to keep our
24:15
Speaker 13: country safe, and it's to build our prosperity. He's failing
24:18
Speaker 13: at the first hurdle. He can't even keep our borders secure.
24:21
Speaker 13: So what does he do. He points at the coalition
24:24
Speaker 13: and says that we're creating something out of nothing. Well,
24:26
Speaker 13: I think the record speaks for itself. The regular Rudd
24:29
Speaker 13: years showed people smugglers, that labour can't be taken seriously
24:32
Speaker 13: on border protection. And as we've seen since the May
24:35
Speaker 13: twenty two election, we've seen nineteen vote rivals. So I
24:38
Speaker 13: think the evidence is in this government is week on
24:41
Speaker 13: borders and people smugglers are working this Prime Minister out.
24:44
Speaker 2: When I spoke to your colleague James Patterson today, he
24:48
Speaker 2: accused Albanesi and Tony Burke of launching what he called.
24:52
Speaker 9: Unhinged attacks on him.
24:54
Speaker 3: Here's what they both had to say.
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Speaker 5: Can I just say what an idiotic comment? Body has
25:00
Speaker 5: clearly never been a binister and has he's made up
25:05
Speaker 5: a way of looking at statistics about me. If that's
25:07
Speaker 5: the character of my shadow, then we'll just deal with
25:11
Speaker 5: what comes out.
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Speaker 4: James Patterson is a shocking message to Australians that all
25:17
Speaker 4: you need to do is to be negative and oppose
25:19
Speaker 4: everything about time James Patterson stood up for the Australian
25:23
Speaker 4: national interest.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty, what do you think about this sort of
25:28
Speaker 2: character attack?
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Speaker 13: I hear two deeply insecure men attacking my colleague, who's
25:36
Speaker 13: very competent, is across his brief and has created all
25:40
Speaker 13: sorts of challenges for this government by keeping them accountable
25:42
Speaker 13: in his role as shadow Home Affairs Minister. So I'm
25:46
Speaker 13: pretty sure James Patterson will be framing those quotes because
25:49
Speaker 13: all it demonstrates is that this government hates when we
25:53
Speaker 13: call them out. They know he's competent, and as I
25:56
Speaker 13: always like to say, the flak is thickest when you're
25:58
Speaker 13: over the target. James consistently over the target when it
26:01
Speaker 13: comes to Labour's border protection policies.
26:04
Speaker 2: Now, what about this decision by the Prime Minister to
26:06
Speaker 2: break up the Home Affairs portfolio. I mean he stripped
26:10
Speaker 2: now ASIO, the top spy agency, out of it, has
26:13
Speaker 2: moved it to the Attorney Generals. His reason that we
26:16
Speaker 2: just showed you earlier was because it needs to go
26:18
Speaker 2: with the AFP. But ASIO and the AFP were both
26:21
Speaker 2: under Home Affairs when he took office. So what do
26:24
Speaker 2: you think about this dismantling of dismantling of what was
26:27
Speaker 2: once a superministry in charge of our national security.
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Speaker 13: They've completely dismembered Home Affairs. They're absolutely right. I think
26:36
Speaker 13: this has been on the cards for some time. I
26:38
Speaker 13: was the chair of the Intelligence Committee when we passed
26:40
Speaker 13: the enabling legislation for the Home Affairs portfolio. Mark Dreyfus
26:45
Speaker 13: back then, who was the Shadow Attorney General, he made
26:47
Speaker 13: it very clear that he didn't support this, and it's
26:50
Speaker 13: no surprise now that he has broken down the Home
26:53
Speaker 13: Affairs Minister. He's stripped out the operational agencies, the AFP
26:57
Speaker 13: and ASIO. He's brought them into his portfolio, so now
27:01
Speaker 13: he gets to run operations and also issue warrants. And
27:05
Speaker 13: I think there was a healthy tension at the cabinet table.
27:07
Speaker 13: Labor have dismantled that and I think it we're poorer
27:10
Speaker 13: for it as a result.
27:12
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously not something you would announce now,
27:14
Speaker 2: but do you envisage that the coalition would strengthen Home
27:18
Speaker 2: Affairs again if it did get into government.
27:22
Speaker 13: I'm sure that's something that Peter Dutton and James Patterson
27:26
Speaker 13: and the rest of the team will be considering in
27:28
Speaker 13: coming weeks and months.
27:29
Speaker 1: Yes.
27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, just finally you are shadow Defense Minister. And there
27:32
Speaker 2: are concerns tonight as we got to air that Israel
27:36
Speaker 2: and Lebanon are.
27:37
Speaker 3: In the cusp of war.
27:38
Speaker 2: This after the tragic murder by Hesblah of twelve children
27:42
Speaker 2: in Majdal Chams Nettna, who has vowed to retaliate. He
27:46
Speaker 2: says it'll be a direct strike and has warned this
27:50
Speaker 2: will be coming.
27:51
Speaker 3: We don't know precisely.
27:52
Speaker 2: When are you concerned that the Iranian backed Hesbela are
27:56
Speaker 2: provoking and have been provoking for months now Israel into
28:00
Speaker 2: a broader war that could escalate.
28:05
Speaker 13: I think Hasbellah, of course, are always seeking to provoke Israel,
28:08
Speaker 13: along with Hamas, and if you read both of their
28:10
Speaker 13: charters as I have done, they're committed to the destruction
28:13
Speaker 13: of the state of Israel. So these aren't people who
28:15
Speaker 13: want peace. They're not going to negotiate, and they'll continue
28:18
Speaker 13: their attacks on Israel forever essentially, and so Israel has
28:24
Speaker 13: to defend itself. We've been very consistent as the coalition.
28:27
Speaker 13: Israel has a right to defend itself. Of course, it's
28:30
Speaker 13: terrible to see those twelve children killed, innocent kids killed,
28:33
Speaker 13: along with all the innocent life that we've seen lost
28:35
Speaker 13: over the past nine months or so. But the best
28:38
Speaker 13: way to defeat terrorism is to show strength, and Israel
28:41
Speaker 13: has every right to defend itself after this last attack.
28:44
Speaker 2: And of course Peter Dutton is actually in Israel at
28:47
Speaker 2: the moment, a four day trip. He met overnight with
28:50
Speaker 2: Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. I mean, Andrew, what does this
28:53
Speaker 2: say about the coalition's commitment to Israel and the Jewish
28:56
Speaker 2: community here in Australia.
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Speaker 13: I think it demonstrates that Peter Dutton is a friend
29:02
Speaker 13: of Israel. He's a friend of the Jewish community here
29:05
Speaker 13: in Australia. He's been very consistent in calling out terrorism
29:09
Speaker 13: and condemning it. He's been very consistent in upholding Israel's
29:12
Speaker 13: rights self defense, and I think that demonstrates that we
29:16
Speaker 13: are committed to maintaining the one democracy in the Middle East.
29:21
Speaker 13: And that's why Peter's gone all the way over there
29:23
Speaker 13: to meet with their officials and to demonstrate his support
29:26
Speaker 13: in person. There's nothing like a house call, Sharry, as
29:28
Speaker 13: you know.
29:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, a very significant trip for a huge signal of solidarity.
29:34
Speaker 2: If only our Prime minister would have made such a
29:36
Speaker 2: trip like many other Western leaders did after October seven,
29:39
Speaker 2: Andrew HASTI thank you very much for your time.
29:43
Speaker 3: Now, turning to the economy.
29:44
Speaker 2: Now, and we're anxiously awaiting crucial inflation data that will
29:48
Speaker 2: drop tomorrow and it will influence the RBA's decision on
29:52
Speaker 2: whether we need another rate rise. To analyze this, let's
29:55
Speaker 2: bring in now economist Judith Sloan. Judith, thank you very
29:59
Speaker 2: much for your time. Are you expecting inflation to rise tomorrow?
30:08
Speaker 14: Well, let's hope that it doesn't rise, Shari, but the
30:10
Speaker 14: key will be at eleven thirty. We can all go
30:13
Speaker 14: to the AB's website and have a look at the
30:17
Speaker 14: key variable, which is the underlying rate of inflation. So
30:21
Speaker 14: that's called, rather arcanely, the trim mean. So if that
30:26
Speaker 14: the bank expects it to be three point eight, If
30:30
Speaker 14: it's that's an annual percentage increase.
30:32
Speaker 6: If it's three point nine or four, then that is
30:35
Speaker 6: very bad news, and.
30:37
Speaker 14: It carries with it the possibility that the cash rate
30:41
Speaker 14: will be raised next week. So you know, we've got
30:44
Speaker 14: two very exciting events for economists.
30:48
Speaker 6: And possibly other people too.
30:49
Speaker 14: So the Reserve Bank meets next week on Monday and Tuesday,
30:54
Speaker 14: and they will make the announcement on what they're doing
30:56
Speaker 14: about the cash rate early on Tuesday afternoon.
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Speaker 2: Exciting for US journalists, but nerve wracking for many struggling
31:04
Speaker 2: families who'll be very worried that there might be another
31:08
Speaker 2: rate rise.
31:08
Speaker 3: We've had.
31:09
Speaker 2: The economist Warren Hogan on this show, he's predicted two
31:13
Speaker 2: rate rises this year. He even says potentially a third
31:16
Speaker 2: in November. What do you think about this?
31:22
Speaker 14: Well, I think it's all a sort of in play,
31:25
Speaker 14: so to speak. And you're absolutely right to talk about
31:31
Speaker 14: the families who are bearing the cost of living, precious
31:33
Speaker 14: families with large mortgages. But of course there is one
31:36
Speaker 14: person who's particularly sweating on this, and that's Jim Chalmers,
31:40
Speaker 14: the Treasurer, because I think ultimately his reputation, I mean,
31:45
Speaker 14: it's hard to say it just comes down to a
31:48
Speaker 14: single point, but in many ways, I think it does
31:51
Speaker 14: come down to some signature events, and this will be
31:55
Speaker 14: one of them, because essentially what he has been telling
31:59
Speaker 14: us is that no inflation. He said this in the
32:02
Speaker 14: budget extraordinarily, that he's got inflation under control. It was
32:07
Speaker 14: essentially because of the war in Ukraine, but in fact,
32:11
Speaker 14: if you look at the monthly figures this year, we're
32:15
Speaker 14: basically one of the only developed economies where the rate
32:18
Speaker 14: of inflation hasn't come down. So a lot of there's
32:23
Speaker 14: a lot riding on his reputation and among caucus, because
32:28
Speaker 14: you know, if the mortgage rates start to decline, people
32:32
Speaker 14: will I think sie with relief and think, well, maybe
32:35
Speaker 14: it is all on track. If that doesn't happen, I
32:37
Speaker 14: think it's a different ballgame.
32:40
Speaker 2: Well, the Treasurer has said that accusations that big spending
32:44
Speaker 2: governments were adding to inflationary pressures.
32:46
Speaker 3: He's called that ridiculous.
32:48
Speaker 2: But yet we've seen Chris Richardson, another economist, say that
32:52
Speaker 2: the start of the Stage three tax cuts, along with
32:54
Speaker 2: the new federal and state spending, amounted to an extra
32:58
Speaker 2: forty six billion dollars being poured into the economy this
33:01
Speaker 2: financial year. He says that's the best part of two
33:04
Speaker 2: percent of the national income. And he says, and I
33:07
Speaker 2: think this is really interesting. He says, that's a huge
33:09
Speaker 2: relative to the amount of money the irba's rate rises
33:13
Speaker 2: have taken.
33:13
Speaker 3: Out of the economy.
33:15
Speaker 2: You know, do you agree with him that they have
33:17
Speaker 2: been these inflationary pressures from the Stage three tax cuts
33:22
Speaker 2: and the spending in both state and federal budgets.
33:27
Speaker 14: Well, absolutely, I mean, essentially it comes down to what
33:33
Speaker 14: we call excess demand. That we've clearly had excess demand
33:37
Speaker 14: in the economy for some time. That's why the Reserve
33:40
Speaker 14: Bank has pushed up the cash rate to try and
33:43
Speaker 14: dampen the extenter of excess demand. And you know, essentially,
33:49
Speaker 14: while they've had their foot on the break, these governments
33:53
Speaker 14: have had their foot on the accelerate. And now Albanezi
33:57
Speaker 14: is inclined to talk about the surpluses that they have recorded.
34:03
Speaker 14: But the surpluses have just been dumb luck, basically because
34:06
Speaker 14: we've had high commodity prices and also surging income tax revenue.
34:12
Speaker 6: But the truth of the matter is that if you
34:14
Speaker 6: go and.
34:14
Speaker 14: Look at spending, the spending growth is very considerable, and
34:19
Speaker 14: if you add in what the state governments have been
34:21
Speaker 14: up to, you know, you really are having a situation
34:26
Speaker 14: where the governments are actually not helping in the inflation fight.
34:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's a rental crisis of course, which
34:33
Speaker 2: is one of the factors behind inflation remaining high. Clara O'Neil,
34:37
Speaker 2: who's been a troubled minister, has now been put in
34:39
Speaker 2: the housing portfolio. Judith, does that give you any confidence?
34:46
Speaker 14: Well no, but if you think if you go and
34:50
Speaker 14: look at the CPI, it's obviously made up of various components,
34:54
Speaker 14: and housing is the biggest one.
34:56
Speaker 6: So housing it's not house price that.
35:00
Speaker 14: Are there, but rents there and construction costs are there
35:04
Speaker 14: and that remains a real problem.
35:06
Speaker 6: Look, I think one of the things.
35:08
Speaker 14: About Claire O'Neil is that she failed in home affairs,
35:12
Speaker 14: but somehow we're expected to think she'll be some fabulous
35:16
Speaker 14: success in housing.
35:17
Speaker 6: I think the housing problem.
35:19
Speaker 14: Is really difficult, and one of the things that they
35:21
Speaker 14: have to do in which she failed to do when
35:23
Speaker 14: she was Home Affairs, is reduced the migrant intake because
35:27
Speaker 14: that's putting too much pressure on the housing market. So again,
35:32
Speaker 14: I'm not sure I'm optimistic there.
35:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't think any of us are.
35:36
Speaker 2: Just before you go, Judith, we've seen today a big
35:39
Speaker 2: story that there are grave concerns for the regional airline
35:42
Speaker 2: rex It suspended share trading on the asx it stopped
35:46
Speaker 2: selling certain flights earlier today. The Prime Minister spoke about
35:50
Speaker 2: this deepening crisis earlier today.
35:52
Speaker 3: Let's have a quick look.
35:54
Speaker 4: We are concerned about rex. It's an important regional airline.
36:00
Speaker 15: What we will do though.
36:01
Speaker 4: Is examine any proposals. Rex received substantial government support with
36:08
Speaker 4: no conditions attached.
36:11
Speaker 2: The finn Review is reporting that e Y is already
36:15
Speaker 2: involved with the embattled carry out. We're not likely to
36:19
Speaker 2: hear any statement to the ASX.
36:21
Speaker 3: Or to the market until tomorrow.
36:23
Speaker 2: What are you expecting here and what kind of impact
36:25
Speaker 2: would it have on the market.
36:31
Speaker 14: Look, I think that was very lukewarm support from the
36:35
Speaker 14: Prime Minister, to tell you the truth. He somehow thinks
36:39
Speaker 14: that the company is well, it's fine as long as
36:43
Speaker 14: it engages in regional travel. But of course what Briggs
36:48
Speaker 14: did was to try and take on the big boys
36:51
Speaker 14: in the Melbourne, Sydney Brisbane roots.
36:55
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, it's pretty.
36:57
Speaker 14: Vicious the way the particularly Quantus acted when Rex tried
37:02
Speaker 14: to get into it. You just have to wonder whether
37:05
Speaker 14: the Albanese government is effectively a friend of Quantus. And
37:10
Speaker 14: you know they're happy for Rex to play in a
37:14
Speaker 14: small sand pit, but they kind of seem he seemed
37:16
Speaker 14: to be critical of the decision which you know was
37:20
Speaker 14: actually giving a pretty good deal to consumers of them
37:24
Speaker 14: using jets and engaging in those very busy roots.
37:30
Speaker 6: Yeah.
37:30
Speaker 2: Or the topic of the Prime Minister's relationship cozy relationship
37:34
Speaker 2: with Quantus was examined Thority last year, but there's probably
37:38
Speaker 2: a lot more to un pack on it, so perhaps
37:40
Speaker 2: more to come. Judith Sloan really appreciate your insights. You
37:44
Speaker 2: are always spot on and we love reading your columns.
37:47
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us. Now still to come.
37:51
Speaker 2: Australian university is accused of handing out degrees to those
37:54
Speaker 2: who can't understand basic English. Plus Google responds to the
37:59
Speaker 2: revelations we spoke about here last night that it's censoring
38:03
Speaker 2: searchers on Donald Trump's attempted assassination.
38:10
Speaker 6: Welcome back.
38:10
Speaker 3: Well, lots more to get through tonight.
38:12
Speaker 2: So let's bring in our political panel joining me now.
38:15
Speaker 2: LNP Senator James McGrath and Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave,
38:20
Speaker 2: Welcome it to you both. Look at investigation by The
38:24
Speaker 2: Guardian has revealed quite a shocking story. They're saying that
38:28
Speaker 2: Australian universities are being accused of handing out degrees to
38:32
Speaker 2: international students who can't speak, write, or even understand basic English.
38:39
Speaker 2: The detail in this investigation the Guardians being told that
38:43
Speaker 2: the only way to fail a course would be to
38:46
Speaker 2: hand nothing in unless universities came up with a coherent
38:50
Speaker 2: institutional response. They also say that some of the academics
38:54
Speaker 2: who spoke to them so that they were continuing to
38:56
Speaker 2: teach courses, where as many as half their cohort didn't
39:00
Speaker 2: appear to understand the content, but they still passed. And
39:04
Speaker 2: that they're saying once centers of excellence are now profit
39:09
Speaker 2: centers chasing enrollments and revenue.
39:12
Speaker 3: James McGrath.
39:13
Speaker 2: There are already rules in place, but you know that
39:17
Speaker 2: university students or international students who have international student visas
39:22
Speaker 2: are required to have.
39:24
Speaker 3: A grasp of English.
39:25
Speaker 9: But it doesn't look like this is being followed.
39:29
Speaker 16: It doesn't look like it's being followed or enforced. And
39:32
Speaker 16: you only have to speak to any university students and
39:35
Speaker 16: they will tell you about their experiences with international students,
39:39
Speaker 16: students who they are friends with and they like and
39:41
Speaker 16: they play sport together. But it is but the failure
39:44
Speaker 16: to understand basic English that is not just letting down
39:48
Speaker 16: Australian students. It's actually letting down those students from overseas
39:52
Speaker 16: whose parents have are paying for their degrees. So everyone
39:57
Speaker 16: is being ripped off here apart from the universe, who
40:00
Speaker 16: are milking these students as cash cows, and no one
40:05
Speaker 16: is benefiting from it. It's one of these things where
40:07
Speaker 16: the universities need to have a good hard look at
40:09
Speaker 16: themselves and work out what business are they in. Are
40:12
Speaker 16: they in the business of ripping off people or are
40:14
Speaker 16: they in the business of educating people? And that's what
40:17
Speaker 16: universities should be focusing on.
40:20
Speaker 2: Someone said something very smart to me on Friday, which
40:23
Speaker 2: is that we need people coming to Australia who are
40:25
Speaker 2: going to build our country up and not tear it down.
40:29
Speaker 2: And so we do want the brightest students coming here.
40:32
Speaker 2: So Gary, do you think you know there needs to
40:34
Speaker 2: be a new approach where if you want to come
40:37
Speaker 2: starty here and you don't know English, then you need
40:40
Speaker 2: to have a language course at the same time as
40:42
Speaker 2: part of the degree.
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Speaker 15: You'd think so when you're Sharry and Jake mcgarra and
40:48
Speaker 15: I both graduated from the same university, only a couple
40:50
Speaker 15: of years apart, I'd like to add I did it
40:52
Speaker 15: as a mature age student. And you know, at my
40:55
Speaker 15: time at griff at the university, we saw a lot
40:57
Speaker 15: of people who were being given all sorts of assistants
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Speaker 15: all the way through those courses that we were competing in.
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Speaker 15: It's as simple as that. But look, universities have got
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Speaker 15: this sort of two edged sword and they're going to
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Speaker 15: get sliced and dice and a better which way they go,
41:11
Speaker 15: because some courses they can't run unless they've got a
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Speaker 15: large cohort of international, full fee paying students actually in
41:18
Speaker 15: the course. So Australian students who on merit get to
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Speaker 15: do that course may not find the course available. And
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Speaker 15: the universities are so heavily geared around, like all the
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Speaker 15: state government bureaucracies about paying their vice chancellors big dollars,
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Speaker 15: you know, a million dollar plus fees a lot of
41:34
Speaker 15: them get. We've probably got too many universities in Australia frankly,
41:39
Speaker 15: and I know the Group of Eight have got a
41:40
Speaker 15: concern that the old Sandstone Universities. They want to see
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Speaker 15: more people coming into the country and there's a lot
41:46
Speaker 15: of reasons for it, but you're right. If they can't
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Speaker 15: speak English, they can't participate culturally in the country. They're
41:52
Speaker 15: not getting the real Australian experience, and there's no point
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Speaker 15: in having them isolated off campus and not really involved
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Speaker 15: in Australia while they're studying in Australia. So it's a
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Speaker 15: real rethink that's going to happen here, Shari. We do
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Speaker 15: need migration to build our country and we need the
42:10
Speaker 15: friendship that comes from these university students. But if they're
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Speaker 15: not speaking to us in our language, our national language,
42:17
Speaker 15: maybe a lot of this is fraught with failure.
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Speaker 3: But they're still making money.
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Speaker 15: The university bosses, they're doing it well.
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Speaker 2: No, indeed, they are weak leadership when it comes to
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Speaker 2: social cohesion and protecting students from racism.
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Speaker 10: Though.
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Speaker 3: Now let's have a look at the story.
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Speaker 2: We discussed this last night that Google is censoring search
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Speaker 2: results for Donald Trump's assassination attempt, and then overnight Google
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Speaker 2: has now responded to this. A spokesman for the tech
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Speaker 2: giants said that Google systems and I will knew this.
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Speaker 3: Is a bit of gobbledygoog.
42:46
Speaker 2: They said that protections against autocomplete predictions associated with political violence,
42:52
Speaker 2: which we're working as intended prior to this horrific event,
42:55
Speaker 2: And they say they're working on improvements to ensure our
42:58
Speaker 2: systems are more up to date.
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Speaker 3: James, this is nonsense.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you type in attempted assassination of and there's
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Speaker 2: no Donald Trump that comes up. All these other people
43:08
Speaker 2: come up, and even when you type in d O
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Speaker 2: Nald still doesn't come up. You know, you wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: so suspicious except that the tech giants do have a
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Speaker 2: history of censoring stories that are firmly in the public interest.
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Speaker 3: James McGrath.
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Speaker 16: They are censoring stories, whether it's deliberately or it's through
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Speaker 16: some algorithms or whatever it is, because we do know
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Speaker 16: that the big tech companies have traditionally lent to the left.
43:36
Speaker 16: And what we're seeing not just with Google, but Facebook
43:39
Speaker 16: also censored that famous picture of Donald Trump with the
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Speaker 16: security guard with sorry, with the security guards around him
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Speaker 16: and the flag in the background. They censored that. So
43:50
Speaker 16: it is a bit of a wake up call. And
43:52
Speaker 16: it's good that we've got Elon Musk coming out, someone
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Speaker 16: who was formerly of the left and is coming out
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Speaker 16: now to call helped call out these big tech companies
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Speaker 16: because the danger is if they're prepared to censor Donald Trump,
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Speaker 16: what else are they prepared to censor? And what don't
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Speaker 16: we know? This is the issue. What don't we know
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Speaker 16: that is being censored?
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Speaker 2: And Elon Musk are tweeted, I don't know what his
44:19
Speaker 2: new word is for xt, but anyway, he tweeted saying,
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Speaker 2: probably just a coincident, coincidence that Google employees were the top.
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Speaker 9: Donors to Biden. So an accusation there.
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Speaker 3: That this is politically motivated.
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Speaker 11: Gary, Yeah, and no doubt about it.
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Speaker 15: I think even the response from Google you've read was
44:39
Speaker 15: actually generated by artificial intelligence, because it is, without a doubt,
44:44
Speaker 15: give me a response to to keep chari markson happy,
44:47
Speaker 15: and they've sort of come up with something. So but
44:50
Speaker 15: artificial intelligence is better than absolutely no intelligence. They often
44:54
Speaker 15: not talked about a NI. But look, Shari, in the end,
44:58
Speaker 15: you know we've got to do our search, pick up
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Speaker 15: a book, read a book, read papers, read a range
45:03
Speaker 15: of stuff. Don't you simply ask Google to separate the
45:07
Speaker 15: facts from the fiction then? And the problem is that
45:10
Speaker 15: a whole generation of people just now are just so
45:13
Speaker 15: used to trusting what comes through the device. I mean,
45:16
Speaker 15: Wikipedia has been a classic example in my view that
45:19
Speaker 15: people school kids, I think should be marked down for
45:23
Speaker 15: using Wikipedia as their only source because you can just
45:26
Speaker 15: make stuff up. You can do whatever you like there,
45:29
Speaker 15: so you know, get a range of views. But thank
45:32
Speaker 15: god for Elon Musk, because he is now the arbiter
45:35
Speaker 15: of all fairness in the broad economic reality of the
45:40
Speaker 15: social media space.
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Speaker 1: As the.
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Speaker 2: Thank you always enjoy a compliment. But there are other
45:46
Speaker 2: problems on the platform. X no question, but we don't
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Speaker 2: have time for that now. Gary Hargrave and James McGrath
45:52
Speaker 2: think you both very much for your time now still
45:54
Speaker 2: to come. We're live in Paris ahead of another jam
45:57
Speaker 2: pack day at the Olympic Games. That after the break.
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Speaker 6: Let's turn to.
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Speaker 2: Paris now where Australia is sitting fourth on the Olympics
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Speaker 2: tally with nine medals overall. And I'm joined by Fox
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Speaker 2: Spots reporter Hannah Hollis. Hannah, great to see you. Look
46:14
Speaker 2: at Big News this afternoon. The men's Olympic triathlon has
46:17
Speaker 2: been at postponed.
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Speaker 3: What happened?
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Speaker 17: So wonderful to chat to you, Shari, Yeah, in this
46:24
Speaker 17: developing story, and it won't surprise anyone that was paying
46:27
Speaker 17: attention and the lead up to the Olympics, because the
46:29
Speaker 17: biggest question on the lips of everyone, including organizers was
46:34
Speaker 17: will the river send be fit for play?
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Speaker 18: And right now, Sharry, the answer is no.
46:39
Speaker 17: Unfortunately, that contamination in the river is still unsatisfactory for
46:43
Speaker 17: athletes to get into to perform the men's triathlon that
46:47
Speaker 17: was supposed to get underway earlier today. So officials have
46:51
Speaker 17: decided we're going to are on the side of caution
46:53
Speaker 17: and instead delay that for twenty four hours, so now
46:55
Speaker 17: the men will take to the water after the women
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Speaker 17: do at eight am the women and then ten forty
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Speaker 17: five for the men.
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Speaker 18: It's such a shame.
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Speaker 17: Because the river sen was supposed to start during this Olympics,
47:07
Speaker 17: and we saw the river that connects beautiful parts of
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Speaker 17: the city feature in the opening ceremony, but it was
47:13
Speaker 17: supposed to also be an iconic place for our tra
47:17
Speaker 17: athletes to swim through and that's not looking like the
47:21
Speaker 17: case at the moment.
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Speaker 18: But in good news, hopefully this hot weather is.
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Speaker 17: Going to help lift that temperature of the water and
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Speaker 17: kill the bad bacteria that's currently keeping the river from
47:29
Speaker 17: being in play.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a two point five billion dollars I understand
47:33
Speaker 2: was spent trying to clean it up. Look, those of
47:36
Speaker 2: us who aren't staying up all night to watch the Olympics,
47:38
Speaker 2: we woke up to the wonderful news today that there'd
47:41
Speaker 2: been an Olympic gold medal and silver in the pool.
47:43
Speaker 3: Big day for our Golden girls.
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Speaker 18: It was wonderful.
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Speaker 17: Not since two thousand and four showery have Australia gone
47:51
Speaker 17: one and two in the pool. And that was Eanthorpe
47:54
Speaker 17: and Grant Hacker, but it's all about Morio Callahan and
47:57
Speaker 17: Arian Tipmas. They were first and second in the world
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Speaker 17: women's two hundred meter freestyle. It's just awesome and Mario
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Speaker 17: Callahan set an Olympic record in the process.
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Speaker 2: And what about tonight, Hannah, what can we look forward to?
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Speaker 2: What events are on later tonight while we're probably all sleeping.
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Speaker 17: There's so much good stuff to come. More action in
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Speaker 17: the pool. We've just seen King Kyle Chalmers. He's qualified
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Speaker 17: sixth for the men's one hundred meter freestyle.
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Speaker 18: We'll see him in action a little bit later. But
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Speaker 18: all eyes are going to be looking at our Australian boomers.
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Speaker 17: They play Canada, who are outside the USA tip to
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Speaker 17: medal at this Olympics.
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Speaker 18: That's going to be the boomer's biggest test so far.
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Speaker 17: And our women's rugby seven side they also play Canada
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Speaker 17: in the semifinal as our twenty sixteen rio gold medalists
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Speaker 17: get a one step closer to reaching gold again.
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Speaker 9: All right, Hannah Hollis, we are out of time.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for the update. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 9: And here's poor Murray