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Ep. 722: There's Still Time!! Don't Miss Out (Warm weather, Good Activity Some Places, Lock Down Phase? 11.22.23 RFR) · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rutfresh Radio, bringing you the
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  Speaker 1: latest reports from the Whitetail Woods, presented by First Light,
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  Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
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  Speaker 1: First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts,
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  Speaker 1: Casey Smith and Tyler Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to rutfresh Radio. I'm your host, Casey Smith. November
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  Speaker 2: is coming to a close, but does that mean the
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  Speaker 2: rut is over? No way, There's still plenty of ways
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  Speaker 2: to capitalize on cold fronts and buck movement this time
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  Speaker 2: of year.
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  Speaker 3: This is rutfresh. Let's go.
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  Speaker 4: What's happening all my woods people. My name is Tyler Jones.
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  Speaker 4: I'm your host, one of your hosts, and Casey Smith
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  Speaker 4: is here. This is rutfresh Radio is brought to you
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  Speaker 4: by first Light Gear. Today we're back on the Nebraska
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  Speaker 4: Furniture Mark.
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  Speaker 3: Hey how about that?
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, uh speaking first like year, it
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  Speaker 2: is Black Friday Week. I don't know if y'all know that,
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  Speaker 2: but the capitalist society we live in has.
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  Speaker 3: Pushed this single day into like a lot of day.
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  Speaker 4: Be careful with how you say that, because my wife
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  Speaker 4: just walked in and if you say Black Friday week.
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  Speaker 3: That means you're a week from Black Friday.
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  Speaker 2: She thinks that it'll be Black Friday in a week,
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  Speaker 2: you knows.
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  Speaker 3: Monday week or whatever. Oh yeah, it's been Monday week.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I actually understand that. But I understand it.
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  Speaker 2: I just like being difficult because I got in me
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  Speaker 2: as as does your wife.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Como, oh, como. Yeah, that's where it comes from. She
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  Speaker 2: got that bird creek. But this is rough Fresh Radio.
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  Speaker 2: We ain't gonna talk about too much that stuff, but
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  Speaker 2: go check out the meat eater website, first lat website,
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff for some great Black Friday deals. Follow
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  Speaker 2: us on social she can see some more detail about
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. You know, we're going to try to do
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  Speaker 2: this week is be real funny and not talk about
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  Speaker 2: sales too much and hopefully that y'all like that.
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  Speaker 4: But hey, you know, here's the thing. Black Friday is
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  Speaker 4: a good chance to get things you need. That's guarantee you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is me telling you what I got.
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  Speaker 4: We're sitting in a house that we bought a I
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  Speaker 4: built this house a couple of years ago, and we
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  Speaker 4: bought our appliances on Black Friday and had and just
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  Speaker 4: left them in storage for months. We didn't move until
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  Speaker 4: May or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: So that was my wife. She's also very smart, even
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  Speaker 4: though she says Monday Week and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: She that was her idea.
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  Speaker 4: But my point is, if you think you can dish
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  Speaker 4: out a little money and you may not use this
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  Speaker 4: stuff until next year, it's still going to be good gear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's or worth.
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  Speaker 2: You know, some of your most expensive pieces are gonna
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  Speaker 2: be the late season pieces because they have the most
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  Speaker 2: material and you can buy them right now, still use
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  Speaker 2: them in late season, and they're gonna be a lot more,
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  Speaker 2: lot less expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that way, So go check out all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I'm all about discounts, man, I guarante gum to you.
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  Speaker 4: I can't be I mean, that's if inflation is too
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  Speaker 4: bad these days.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been heck, got my eye on a
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  Speaker 2: few pupews and I'm waiting until this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna pull the trigger. No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's you know, FBI's listening right now, so I can't
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  Speaker 2: say too much. But uh, anyways, we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: some whitetail.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: There is a cold front sweeping the nation, sweeping, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not the nation. You know, col fronts are weird. I
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  Speaker 2: really don't understand how it works for the Northeast. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: we do. Got a report from Pennsylvania this week on here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't cold fronts. I don't know how they hit
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff. So if you've got some information on that,
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  Speaker 2: let us know.
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  Speaker 4: However, generally, for what the plains the Midwest Texas, we
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  Speaker 4: get a lot of rocky.
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  Speaker 3: Mountain cold fronts. Ie, those are the best.
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  Speaker 4: How far they carry that? And do they stop at
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  Speaker 4: the Mississippi or surely not?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, it just depends on
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  Speaker 3: the strength of it, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: And what's going on in the Gulf, which we could
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  Speaker 4: talk about this with as much expertise as the actual
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  Speaker 4: weather van.
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  Speaker 3: Still you know, have no better clue what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: There's a that will help a lot of the hunting,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, we had that huge coal front moved
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  Speaker 2: through for like Halloween, and I can't capitalized on that.
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  Speaker 3: They dude, I've been working on that video today. That's
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  Speaker 3: pretty sick.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna come out seeing I'm trying to get
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  Speaker 4: out before Thanksgiving before yeah, oh hot dog. Plan is
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  Speaker 4: to have it out when this podcast releases.
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  Speaker 3: Hot Dog.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we're gonna link to the Element channel below
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  Speaker 2: you can go watch me kill my biggest South Dakota
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  Speaker 2: buck by far, like one of my biggest bucks. I
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  Speaker 2: killed from the ground.
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  Speaker 3: He's a toad.
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  Speaker 2: They just doing I don't even know if you'd call
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  Speaker 2: it spot in stalk. I mean it was just like
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  Speaker 2: spot and run. But anyways, it's cool. You all enjoy
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  Speaker 2: the video, I think. But since then, the weather's not
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  Speaker 2: being very conducive to white tails. It's been pretty tough.
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  Speaker 2: The rut has I don't think it's as slow as
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  Speaker 2: it was last year. As far as like perceived movement.
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  Speaker 2: We've had some really good reports, especially last week. I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of big deer went down around the
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  Speaker 2: country in the seven to fourteen dates of the month.
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  Speaker 2: But it's still been pretty warm. It's not been like
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  Speaker 2: just on fire, just cold days. And we're a about
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  Speaker 2: to get that this week of Thanksgiving. So if you
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  Speaker 2: got a little time off or you get a little
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  Speaker 2: room around the holiday stuff, it's a good time to
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  Speaker 2: go get in the woods. And uh, we always like
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  Speaker 2: to be pretty encouraging, like it's it's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun to be a Debbie Downer to be down
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  Speaker 2: the dumps too much, right, Tyler.
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  Speaker 4: No, been there, Yeah, but I'm fixing to be because
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be doing all these Thanksgivings, like sitting there
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  Speaker 4: looking at my trail cameras on my whole tra app
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  Speaker 4: just being like, Oh, we also have.
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  Speaker 2: A report from Oklahoma this week, which isn't a very
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  Speaker 2: good report because it was tough.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a good report. It's a good report.
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  Speaker 2: The the how would you say that action in Oklahoma
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  Speaker 2: was pretty bad over the past week because it was like.
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  Speaker 3: Got to eighty one day. It was it was rough.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, You're about to be in Oklahoma during a cold front, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: doing Thanksgiving and there's gonna be big Bucks splashing through
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  Speaker 2: all the rivers.
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  Speaker 4: Don't you think for a second, I'm not taking my
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  Speaker 4: boat hey, because no, Jut just don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think about it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think my wife's gonna let it
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  Speaker 4: like be ahunting thing. But if if you just happened
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  Speaker 4: to see one spontaneously, if.
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  Speaker 2: She's like driving my life, she won't know the morning
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  Speaker 2: hunt happens.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, she's a lot like your life in
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  Speaker 3: that matter for sure. So you can get the journey.
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  Speaker 3: Is gonna be awake. She's tiny. You can carry her
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  Speaker 3: in a backpack. Well, my mom will watch her. Good
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  Speaker 3: morning person. There you go, thanks, dip. Yeah you're I
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  Speaker 3: mean she actually is not tiny anymore. Yeah, I've realized.
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  Speaker 3: Oh she's tall. She's like eighty pounds. Oh she weighs
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  Speaker 3: that much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, dick, She's gonna be solid. My anniversary is
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  Speaker 2: is a great day, my wedding anniversary. However, it is
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  Speaker 2: November nineteenth, which meant my honeymoon was a really good
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  Speaker 2: hunting week.
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  Speaker 3: And it was cold the day you got married. It
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  Speaker 3: was called a cold front hit. I was freezing my
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  Speaker 3: tail off out there, dude.
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  Speaker 2: And so like we went to Southeast Oklahoma on her
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  Speaker 2: honeymoon and you know, just Rednick cheap, just poor kid
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  Speaker 2: honeymoon and I'm fishing in the river. It's like probably
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  Speaker 2: the twenty first and then just this gnarly nine point
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  Speaker 2: just goes splashing right through the trout stream.
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  Speaker 3: Just bamby, just chasing baby's dad trying to find a
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  Speaker 3: dough and I was like freaking out.
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  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, So all that to say is to
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  Speaker 2: say that we still have some really good dates ahead
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  Speaker 2: of us. You know, maybe if you're in Note Act
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  Speaker 2: or something like that, you're thinking about kind of more
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  Speaker 2: some different patterns.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, though, man, like I don't either.
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  Speaker 2: We got a report from Montana this week and it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like it's rocking and rolling.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that.
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  Speaker 2: The thing holds true that Iowa is really specific with
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  Speaker 2: RUT and then everything outside of that, Man, it gets
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  Speaker 2: a little bit softer on like when the hard dates.
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  Speaker 3: Are you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Here's my thing though, Is it Iowa is that way?
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  Speaker 4: Or is it Iowa based hunting media is that way?
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  Speaker 4: I think it could be that because this thing called
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  Speaker 4: fomo where you try you know, like you don't.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's the way you.
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  Speaker 4: Would make like if you weren't doing Black Friday week,
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  Speaker 4: you would do, hey, one day Black Friday, sell, don't
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  Speaker 4: miss it, right, fear of missing out that you're going
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  Speaker 4: to miss the one day seal. So that's why I
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  Speaker 4: guess we're doing the long sales you don't miss it.
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  Speaker 4: But my point is people like to do that kind
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  Speaker 4: of thing, like, hey, don't miss it, now, go get
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  Speaker 4: in the woods, you know. And I kind of wonder
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  Speaker 4: if it's not that way. Also, you have some theories
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  Speaker 4: but about this. But quickly, I have a question for you.
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  Speaker 4: Is the rut shifting or used to your coincidence here?
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  Speaker 2: If you were to hear I think that we don't
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  Speaker 2: understand the rut first of all, But if you would
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  Speaker 2: to just without looking at science and just go observed rut? Right, which,
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  Speaker 2: what is there in this world except what we what
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  Speaker 2: we can observe? Okay, you would listen to ret Fresh
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  Speaker 2: radio and say the second and third week in November
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  Speaker 2: of the best dates. That's what you would hear from people,
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  Speaker 2: even though we all know from like you know, Bill
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  Speaker 2: Winkie kills a lot of big Dear Marjorie kills a
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  Speaker 2: lot of big deer that the fifth eighth is like
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  Speaker 2: the time right for peak chasing. So what does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly? Are we missing out on? Like?
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  Speaker 2: Do we do not understand that when we perceive rut movement,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually the second push of movement. In the first
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  Speaker 2: push movement, the deer find their hot dose so fast
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  Speaker 2: that you don't see it happen.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of wonder if that's a thing.
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  Speaker 4: I also wonder there's a bunch of big buck killers
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  Speaker 4: that like October better than they like November. It's because
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  Speaker 4: they usually have a property that a big buck exists
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  Speaker 4: on in October and then they can hunt him on patterns.
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  Speaker 4: And I wonder if these guys like that, like the rut,
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  Speaker 4: like it because it gets deer moving, But it is
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  Speaker 4: also those earlier dates also are before a the fighting
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  Speaker 4: breaks the antlers and be all the guys get a
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  Speaker 4: chance at him for two or three weeks, right, So
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  Speaker 4: like the deer is still alive on November fifth.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's another take on that is that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of hunting media perpetuates ideas based on large managed properties.
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  Speaker 2: And if you have a good buck to doe ratio
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  Speaker 2: on a large managed properties, those dates probably hold really true.
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  Speaker 3: But you know where there's not a good buck to
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  Speaker 3: dough ratio most public lan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what's going on public land. It's
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  Speaker 2: the bump and bump and even bump and dump, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like it's just those deer are getting messed with all
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  Speaker 2: the time.
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  Speaker 3: There's dudes chasing them.
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  Speaker 2: It's going wild, right, So like he might have been
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  Speaker 2: trying to breed that though, but then you just split
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  Speaker 2: them up and they all ran different directions. That do
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: mister cycle because of that, you know, and she comes
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  Speaker 2: in later whatever. So like there's a whole aspect of
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  Speaker 2: like why it might look different in other parts of
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  Speaker 2: the country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Lots of dynamics, lots of variables. It's pretty fun to
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  Speaker 4: think about.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad that we haven't figured it out so we
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  Speaker 4: can continue thinking and talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: We got some dynamic characters on the podcast today, don't
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  Speaker 2: we tie?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we do, We've got This was kind of cool.
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  Speaker 4: Derek Wolf, who is an ex teammate of one of
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: my ex teammates, Emmanuel Sanders Uh. He's he was out
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  Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania recently. We he talked to him. You might
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  Speaker 4: have seen him on the Meat Eater podcast fairly recently.
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  Speaker 4: He was on there, I guess a couple of months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Whenever.
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  Speaker 4: That was Dylan Dowson from on X, a guy we've
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  Speaker 4: known for years now. Really appreciate Dylan. He's been a
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  Speaker 4: believer in the Element for a long time and was
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: one of the He was the first guy that they
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: were in the industry that ever said Hey, I want
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: to partner with you guys and be a part of
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: what y'all are doing, man, So I really have had
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of respect for him for a while. Our
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: good buddy Eric Gentry, who spends a lot of time
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: in trees with us, he does, and he spent some
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: time actually with a tag in his pocket, bow in
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  Speaker 4: his hand on the ground hunting out in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I noticed, and I don't know if this
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  Speaker 2: is an erics report or not, but he said.
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  Speaker 3: Across no way. Yeah, because I heard him say a
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  Speaker 3: cross twice yesterday for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but he did not
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  Speaker 3: use the team. Listen, y'all. If y'all's if y'all say crossed,
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: do you say crossbow? Is that how you say this word?
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: I actually want to start using that crossbow cross bow?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's I think that's what they do, MANU.
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise you're not making sense.
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  Speaker 3: And he's the last.
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  Speaker 4: Byron Horton from Ohio, just a good time, very knowledgeable
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: hunter man. He's he's got some pretty high level thoughts
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  Speaker 4: about what the deer doing up in Ohio, which is uh,
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: debatably the Midwest, debatably, the East, debatably the North.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I just if I want to call
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Ohio something it's the Iron Belt?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that true? Though? Is it actually the
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  Speaker 3: Iron Belt? Yeah? Okay, I mean I think Cleveland is
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  Speaker 3: like the heart. Okay, yeah that makes sense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I always thought Iron Belt too, but I was like then,
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking, is that Pennsylvania though?
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  Speaker 3: Or I guess it's all that. It depends on what
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  Speaker 3: I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio changes a lot depending what town you're in, because
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: there's two or three big towns. Right, there's Cleveland, Columbus, Columbus, Akron. Yeah,
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: that was like a single terminal, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little tiny airport. But Cincinnati is in Ohio, right,
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  Speaker 3: I believe so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's Indiana, but it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's Indiana. I've never been to Cincinnati. Michael's mad at
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  Speaker 3: us right now. That's a man. He's always mad. He
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: is made Mike.
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  Speaker 2: But anyways, there's gonna be some good reviews for US
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: today or not reviews, some good reports for US today,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, just.
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  Speaker 3: To leave y'all before we get into these with some encouragement.
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  Speaker 3: It ain't over. There's big bucks going hit the ground
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  Speaker 3: this week. Get out there all right.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I've got Derek Wolf, he's an ex NFL player, and
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: now he's on the phone with us talking hunting because
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: that's kind of what you live and breathe. Actually, you're
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: pretty involved in a lot of things, aren't you right now?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Do it, but I mean mostly hunting and podcasting, and yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I do a lot of working out and training and
• 13:56
  Speaker 7: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, being a dad and husband much what
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you work out with the Manual quite a bit,
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  Speaker 3: don't you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I work out with a lot, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I played college ball with him at s m U.
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, he he uh he and I got to
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: go against each other every day for about four years.
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  Speaker 3: I was a safety. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, I noticed that you saw y'all on Instagram
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: kind of you know, doing some working out together and
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But pretty cool tie there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Small small world, man, Yeah, No.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it man? It is.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: It's a it's smaller than you think sometimes. But you've
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: been out in Pennsylvania doing some deer hunting and uh
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: was what was that like?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: Were you hunting like hills or are you hunting more
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: flat land country?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, big big hills Appalachia. Yeah it was.
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: So it's like three hours east of Pittsburgh is where
• 14:51
  Speaker 7: I was at. So it was like super super steep hills,
• 14:55
  Speaker 7: rolling hills, deep valleys, big hollows.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: So I was hunting a lot. What I was doing
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: is I was hunting a lot of like pinch points and.
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: Transition zones and hunting those like those bowls that they
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: like to you know, trying to find where these doughs
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: are betting and trying to get down winding from them.
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: The hard part was the wind switches every three minutes there.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it was it.
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: Was hard to it was hard to kind of dial
• 15:18
  Speaker 7: in one good spot. But the first morning was was
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: really really good. It was we you know, we get
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: we get I hun from a tree saddle, so we
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: get set up. It takes about tennis set up, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: then you know, thirty minutes later, first light you know.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: Pokes out.
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: I hears something kind of rustling up to my right
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: and the dough comes down through and I was like,
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: I was just a dough and she was just kind
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: of you know, feeding. There's a big acorn patch there,
• 15:43
  Speaker 7: so she was just feeding along there, and uh then
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: a smaller buck came up and like a little basket
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: six point you know then she didn't really pay attention
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: to it, and the next thing, you know, all hell
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: breaks loose and h out in those in those valleys.
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: It's just like you can hear them forever, and you know,
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: when they're busting through the woods, and she takes off
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: busting through there, and this bigger buck comes down through there,
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: big like nice, like a big like a probably one
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: hundred and thirty inch eight point comes busting down chasing her,
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: and I was like, oh, I'm like, you could hear
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: them all the way for like a mile. You could
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: hear them all the way around that bowl. They went
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: all the way around that bowl and then over the
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: ridge and then you couldn't hear them anymore. But then
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: after that happened, there was like four different bucks that
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: came through there.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: So just a hot dough brought kind of made the
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: whole area turn on.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just the hot dough turned it all on.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: Like even like two hours later, another buck had come
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: down from a come up from another spot. But I
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: saw I was like, man, this is a good spot,
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: and she's obviously hanging out. I think she was bedded
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: up there and got bumped by that little buck. And
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: then I think the bigger ones just kind of all
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: kind of came into there.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: So, well, things are going crazy like that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Would you think you'd be better off like stationary in
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: a tree waiting on the mess to come by, or
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: does it make sense to kind of move and try
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: to head to your off like that?
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: So that's what we did. We we got down and
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: we went we moved up. We moved up to.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: Where we had seen them kind of moving down there
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: because we were on like a saddle too. It's a
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: saddle right there, so you got a there's movement coming
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: from all directions. So we uh, we moved up there
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: about probably like one hundred yards up the hill and
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: got like right on right on the saddle, and we
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: we had we had another couple of Bucks that had come.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: It was the it was the right move because we did.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: We we ended up grunting and rattling at Bucks and
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: they would come up and check it out.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Was your was your wind more consistent on top of
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: that saddle?
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: No, it was, it was.
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: It was worse actually up there, because that's why we
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: didn't end up getting being able to kill one. We
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: had it not I mean some really nice bucks and
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: like one thirty one forty bucks that uh, and in
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: the mountains up there, that's a big buck, you know.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: So we had some good bucks that were like in
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: killable position and we just needed the wind to stay.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Right and we would have got you know, he would
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: have come in there and checked it out. But you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: when you get them to like forty.
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: Yards fifty yards, uh, and it's it's thick brushing there.
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: So you know it's you're not you're not threading the.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Needle for that stuff.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, so if.
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: You're on the ground maybe, but being up in a tree,
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: you know, fifteen twenty feet.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: It's it's a little bit different, more difficulty.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: As we push here into the the Thanksgiving timmy year,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you know, like things start to change a little bit
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: in the woods all the all the leaves are down
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and stuff. What do you think the deer are going
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to be doing in this next week or so?
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: I think that I think they're either gonna so in
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: my experiences, I think that they're gonna go into lockdown.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Like I think they're just locking down on our does.
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: Like they've they've got their dough and they're gonna lock
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: her down for a couple of days.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: And breeder.
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: And then I think on Thanksgiving Day or the day after,
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: they are gonna go nuts looking for more does. Like
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: it's gonna be that It's gonna be that like that
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: prime looking for does. Like they're gonna be out walking
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: in the middle of the day, you know, showing their
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: face in the daylight. And that's I think that's I
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: think we're just a couple of days away from that sure,
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: because they weren't really.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: Responding to rattles, you know what I mean.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: And normally when a buck is like heavy, when they're
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: when they're heavy, like even when they're on lockdown and
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: you start rattling, they'll get up and go, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: looking around to make sure there's no bucks around, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: to just chase them off. But these bucks weren't even
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: really responding to the rattle yet, so they were just
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: I think they were still in that like looking for
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: a hot dough mode, you know, just you know, still
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: like playing. They're playing, keeping their wind right, not really
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: making any big mistakes, because that was the thing. We
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: couldn't get a buck to make a mistake, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: he was still going to get his wind right right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: But I think I think that this week is the
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: week to do it. I think if you're gonna go
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: hunt these bucks and do like all days, since this
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: is the time.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, sir man, that's what I'm talking about. That's uh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I feel the same way. We've talked to a lot
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: of people from across the country and uh, myself, I've
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: been in three states last week, and it seems like
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: that with kind of like the hot weather the first
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks in November, it's been it's been just
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: kind of like just real even Keel and I feel
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: like you get a little weather here pretty soon around
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: this Thanksgiving holiday and things are gonna really bustle you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: So with that in mind, in the next week, if
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: you had to guess, you know, a number one to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: ten for buck movement in Pennsylvania, what would you think
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be?
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm probably I'm saying like a seven or
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: an eight that gonna be.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna I think, I really do.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: And I think because what happens is they got this
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: that little rifle season that kicks off, so they get
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: a little bit spooky. But once that's over, you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: they get like a two three day period to settle down,
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: they're gonna be They're gonna.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Be on it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be good.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: I So catch an acorn patch, sit on a saddle,
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: find it, find a dope, like just do you do
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: your research and look at an area where you think
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: those might be bad and get down win from that,
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: and you'll catch them. You'll catch some bucks looking for
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: for their next dough because I think they've bred.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I think they've bred their first dough now and now
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: it's there, they're gonna be ready, yeah, for another They're
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: gonna be ready like they're gonna be looking for it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: That's right, man, where you're gonna cut him screwing up?
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's what that's what we need a lot
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: of times. Man, we're not good enough to get them
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: when they're on their game. We got to get them
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: when they're off the game sometimes. But man, thank you
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: for the report, Derek. I hope you have more success
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: It looks like you've already done that a little bit.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: And uh, I'm real happy for you, man. I hope
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: that it keeps going well for you. Thanks for hopping
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: on the phone with us.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me guys.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Right now, I've got Dylan Dawson from on X. He's
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: just straight up a killer man. I mean he will
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: shoot at elk side unseen antlers and it'll end up
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: being at three fifty you know what I mean, So
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: they're bigger.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: What's going on, dude?
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, thanks thanks for having me on.
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the elk sight unseen this year being a three
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: fifty is that was a good kickoff to the year.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: So sometimes you just got to take those when when
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: they're handed.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: To Yeah, so you've been out in Montana hunting some
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: deer and you ended up with one of the mule
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: deer types, right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: Yep, I shot one of the meal deer types this year,
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: so Montana. You know, for anybody listening who's not familiar,
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: you basically get an a tag that allows you to
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: hunt white tail or meal deer. So depending on what
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: the state you're in. Honestly, pretty much most of the
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: state that I've hunted, man.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: It's like.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: Fifty to fifty some areas, you know, seventy thirty and
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: vice versa.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: But there's pretty much white tail and meal deer what
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: seems like everywhere.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: I'm from eastern Montana.
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: I currently live in western Montana and so I travel
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: you know, pretty much from Idaho to North Dakota every year,
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: whether I'm hunting elk, deer or whatever. So it's, uh,
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: it is pretty cool because you're not really stuck to
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: one species or the other.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: Sure, and some years, like you know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: Whitetail are doing better their populations and some of your
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: meal deer are doing better.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: And it seems like I'm kind of fifty to fifty.
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: Ever since I've been twelve and able to hunt here
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: in Montana, seems like I probably shot I've probably shot
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: a few more meal deer than white tail.
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: But it's pretty pretty down the middle.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So as far as that herd goes this year,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: does it Does it look good out there? Or are
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: you seeing a bunch of deer moving around right now?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: This past week I've been hunting pretty hard. I've got
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: one more week to go. A lot of tags are filled.
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: Actually we build two tags. Yesterday my wife shot a
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: really nice buck. I was with my cousin when he
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: shot a really really heavy white tail, just a really
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: old old white tail, really big basis just having gnarly,
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: gnarly buck.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: But yeah, man, it's it's been good I've seen a
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: lot of deer chasing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: Both meal deer and white tail, but particularly this past week.
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Like white tail, I've seen a lot of bucks like
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: singling out does and literally running them for like a mile.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: We we came over the hill.
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: We were driving to a new spot a few days ago,
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: and came over the hill and I was like, oh, man,
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: there's a deer, you know, scooting across the field. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: at first I kind of thought she was running from us,
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: and I threw up the binos, and twenty yards behind
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: her was a pretty nice buck, like, you know, mid
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: one thirties, not a shooter, but just a respectable deer
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: that you want to look at. And I mean quickly
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: I realized they were not running from us, that that
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: buck had that dough on full tilt across the stubble
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: field and they got to the end of it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: He caught up to her and turned her.
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: The other way, you know, one of those deals where
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: they're acting like a quarter horse is like figuring out
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: which way they're going to go. And then he ran
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: her basically half a mile half a section back the
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: other way. So I've seen a lot of bucks chasing,
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: like single dose and like a little pocketed doze three
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: or four doors over there, but he's interested in obviously
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: that one that's hot, and I think there's some.
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: Hot dos right now.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So you're doing a lot of gun hunting out there,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and right now it is you know, gun seasons are
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: opening up or are open across the country. If you're
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: trying to capitalize on that kind of buck movement where
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: they're pushing dose and and running like crazy, what's your
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: setup going to be?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: So a lot of times what I prefer is to
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: get up high if the country allows, and sit and
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: kind of just let things happen.
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: So four or five days ago, my dad and I hiked.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: Up to this high point and it's all kind of
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: egg land where we were, So there's a lot of
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: white tail country.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: There's koolies, so it's white tail and melier country.
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: Again, it's kind of one of those spots fifty to
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: fifty you don't know what species you're going to run into,
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: and uh, it's just really good habitat for both. But
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: we hiked up to this this knob and really this
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: knob is only probably you know, fifty vertical feet above
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: anything else around us, right, but it gives us at
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: least an opportunity to glass three sixty and kind of
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: just let the deer move to us. Sitting on that now,
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: we had a mature meldier and a mature white tail
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: buck that were just straight cruising.
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: They weren't chasing does they weren't with those. I spotted
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: both those.
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: Deer from man shoot almost mild to maybe the meal
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: there was probably a mile and a half away, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: both of them ran. They didn't trot, they weren't walking crews,
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: and they ran from where I spotted them to within seventy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: Five yards of us.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: It's actually pretty funny because both of them, this was
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: like an hour and a half apart from each other,
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: and they took almost the exact same path by us.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: And they're just crazy looking for those So I really
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: like to get up high and sit because had we
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: have been walking around and you know, moving a little
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: bit more, those deer would have ran within fifty to
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: seventy five yards of us. But we were able to
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: let them do their thing instead up high watching them
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: for a long ways coming.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: We knew, we knew they were both really mature deer.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: But I was able to watch me the spotting scope
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: run from that far away to again under one hundred
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: yards seventy five yards and know that, you know, we
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: weren't going to shoot either one of those bucks. But
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: you know, if you're walking koolies and whatever, it's just
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: it's it's doable. It's you know, you might shoot a
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: really nice deer like that, but you're also trying to
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: judge them as their you know, their tails down and
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: running in the bottom.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: Of the coolie at that point.
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: So sure, I like to get up high and use
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: the glass, and especially this time of year when they're
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: moving around searching for dose.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, and you're a killer man, So this is
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: this is good information, man. And you know, Casey and
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I have probably known you since twenty seventeen or so. Man,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: we appreciate friendship and everything like that, and and just
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the supportive on X over the years. Man, We really
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: has meant a lot to us. Thanks for hopping on
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: the phone with us. Before you go, though, we got
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: to have a We've got to have a rating here.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: So on a scale of one to ten, what does
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the buck movement look like in the next week in
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: your opinion.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, based on what I've seen this past week, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: even just like yesterday, it seems like it's only gotten better.
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: We here in Montana, we had a cold snap like
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: probably three to four weeks ago where it got really
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: really cold, like zero or below, had.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Quite a bit of snow.
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: It's warmer now, so I was kind of nervous that
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: it was gonna kind of shut off the rut. But man,
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: the last couple days what I've seen, that is not
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: the case. I would say out of one to ten,
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: seven point.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Eight, very specific, that's like my great average man.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Actually college. Probably I was a little bit smarter in
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: high school.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: We appreciate the info, man, the and the good rating.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: It gives us a lot of optimism. Thanks dude.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I appreciate you guys. Thank you.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: This is Byron Horton with white Tail Experience, and he
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: has been chasing him all over in Ohio.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: What's up, dude, Dude, I just got through my big
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: push and uh we're we're regrouping today.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good man.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're able to kind of woo saw
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and bring it all back in. That's it's a necessary
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: thing sometimes after a big rut push. Do you feel
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: tired do you feel like that you achieved something? Do
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: you feel like you went and did the thing, or
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: do you still feel like there's things that are undone.
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: So I feel like I saw the whole rut. I
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: saw casing, the cruising, the close encounters, missed my shot opportunity.
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: I saw it all. So I'm at peace with it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: But I'm not gonna lie. Man, I really want to
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: kill something.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I think you will. I know you did.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: You're a killer.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So this past week, you know, you said you spent
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of time out there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: What was kind of the major emphasis?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of like, I guess what most
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: people consider like the second ish week of the rut,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and things are kind of changing.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: What were the deer doing?
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so I actually think Ohio is a touch behind.
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: I'll call it the core Midwest. Like I feel like
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: last week's our peak. Traditionally, I have always taken we'll
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: call it, like the seventh through the fifteenth as better
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: than the first through the seventh. Just as far as
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: seeing do your seeing Bucks personal encounters, generally the weather
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: is a little better for the most part. But yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: I literally last week saw it all. You know, Bucks
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: dogging does four pointers running loose everywhere? It was a
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: great time.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: So were you hunting you know, travel corridors, pinch points,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: or where you spending more time like near food sources
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: of some sort.
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: So I would say I am much more of a
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: let's let's hunt the doze in the betting areas with
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: maybe like an extra terrain type feature. I generally hunt
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: the big woods, you know, more and more steeper terrain.
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: So like I like what I call compounding features, maybe
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: like a hog back meets the dough betting type habitat
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: and generally too I was I had scouted some doughs
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: of late October, so I kind of knew where my
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: dough groups were and that was the plan, and that's
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: what I ran. I would hunt scrapes too. I guess
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: that was my second most popular ambush point cloud like.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: That, man, how do you find those doughs? You said
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: you're scouting? Does how you finding them?
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: A lot of times so trail cams late October. I
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: spent four days literally just walk in and yes, how
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: I'd bump some doz. Yes, I would pull some cards
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: and be like, oh there's doze in here. On regular basis,
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: deer poop, just beating down tracks more just like stuff
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: telling me they're in here a lot more frequent. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: obviously when you're boots to ground, you're seeing the habitat
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: of this looks like dough betting, Like I'm not going
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: to make up some crazy term, this is where the
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: do's bed.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're looking at thickets and stuff that you
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: see and you're like, okay, they're in there.
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, thickets, maybe some grasses, maybe points where the sun
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: hits the first thing in the day kind of stuff that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that and deer poop. Honestly, collections of deer poop,
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: collections of beds, that kind of thing.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: So you spent some time hunting scrapes. How effective was that?
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: Ooh? So I had multiple hunts where I had doze
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: come in bebop the scrape even at like eleven noon,
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: and one time it was like gray lightish, and I'm like, okay,
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: I know what should happen the next twelve twenty four hours,
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: and I'd see some two and a half year olds.
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: I just didn't have a shooter kind of follow that
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: dough or read the script my trail cams told me.
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: I hunted scrapes on wrong days if you will.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I did the same thing last week. Man, it just
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: hurts down deep inside.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: One of my best encounters was on a scrape that
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: was the sixth sense buck where he came over this
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: like bluffy point and he's looking over this bottom for
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: what felt like forever, and yep, he just said, I'm
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: not going to go down to that scrape today and
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: he's fifty yards from it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: So in the next week or so, would you still
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: focus on some of the things were we were focused
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: on this week, so like dough betting and maybe scrapes,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: or would you take what you learned this past week
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: and apply it to next week and change things up.
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: The final week of November, I'm going to go a
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: little bit more heavy terrain pinch type hunts, where like
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: I just want to collect giglines of movement, and then
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: I would still hunt scrapes. I get a lot of
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: pictures of you know, bucks recirculating their little circuit and
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: they got to figure out where the doose are that
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: are still high or about the pop and so I
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: was still hunting scrapes, but maybe a little bit more
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: emphasis on the best hogbacks point of the whole Mountain.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good stuff, man.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: So if you had rate the upcoming week on a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: scale of one to ten on buck movie, what would
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: you call it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: I'm still gonna go seven seven point five. We got
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: one warm day, but I'm still pretty high for the scale.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: We're getting some decimals this week. We got that's cool.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and dude, seven seven point five is a good number, man.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: So it's still a good time to be in the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: woods in Ohio. Byron, We appreciate the report.
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: Man, absolutely both.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: This is Eric Gentry.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: He's also known as Oklahoma Gentry because he's been out
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: in Oklahoma doing some hunting.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Eric. What are you doing man, Man?
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: Just driving up to Illinois to see some family for Thanksgiving?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Eric with the element Eric? Ye? Sweet?
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So Eric's Eric's going to Illinois. He might have Illinois
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: report for us next week, but he's got Oklahoma one
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: this week. After eating Thanksgiving noodles this case. So apparently
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Thanksgiving noodles are a thing, but we don't know what
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: they are. Eric does, and I think some of the
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: more heart of the Midwestern people might understand it, but yeah,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: some will. Yeah, there's something about it with cream and
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: chicken on top. That's what I think it is.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: No, so enough of the culinary experience here at the Midwest. Eric,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you hunted kind of the west, just you know, west
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of the Midwest.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I guess you'd say in Oklahoma this past week.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I might have seen you there, but we wanted to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: get your take because you actually had some action.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Did you do you feel like you had a good hunt? Man?
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: It was I don't know. It was tough.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: The first time ever got a tag there and it
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: was some of the toughest hunting I've done. There's just
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: not a lot of public land. Uh, there's a big
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: deer being killed on private but I mean there's a
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: lot of hunters around, and I don't know if there
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: was the warm weather and a combination of a lockdown,
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: but it was tough.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I had to lock down.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: One morning I had a pretty good buck encounter, but
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: he was lockdown with the dough and he would not
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: leave that dough side anything she was doing, he was doing.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Did you try to think sixty nine or what? No.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: I tried the old snort weez but that that didn't work. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: it got her attention and she kind of stared around
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: for at least an hour and.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: How are you making your moves up?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: There? Was it off of trail camera data or like
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the stuff you were seeing or what was going on?
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were watching the trail cameras and kind of
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: deciding what we want to do. We were hunting bed
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: to feed patterns because we cameras just weren't giving us
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: a lot of data and a lot of the pictures
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: were at night, so it was really tough.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, case you hunted a near a scrape though at
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: one point, right, how'd that pan out?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it was like a thing where I feel like
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the lockdown was going on, like Eric says, and the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: like bucks will come off dose and they'll move through,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: maybe hit a scrape or two. And uh, the one
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: day we weren't on the scrape, a buck came through
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that I would have shot, and then after that it
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: was just nothing.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: So would y'all both agree pretty unpredictable movement? Yeah, man, absolute, Like,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: if you think about it, this time of year can
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: be awesome. It's a feast or famine deal. Right, it's
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Eric either eating a bunch of pizza because they're killing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: Deer or.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly getting ready for Thanksgiving, you know, but it's
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: it is It's like you you might sit there and
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: not see anything because you got a bunch of duck
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: bucks that are locked down in an area, and then
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, if you're sitting at the right
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: scrape or you're sitting in the right you know, uh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: you know. Or if a deer wants to act like
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: he wants to be on public land for a little
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: bit instead of private land like, then it could be
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: one of the.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Best days of your life. What do you think the
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: limiting factor was this past week, Eric Man, I don't know.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: It's tough to say. Really, I couldn't tell you. It
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: was my first time hunting Oklahoma.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So you think that really cooler temperatures would help.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I think.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: I think they're gonna come out of this lockdown phase
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: and potentially hit scrapes again, and so you might be
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: able to see in a little bit better movement here
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: which week or so.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I don't look at Elon's weather app like you.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Do, but I do have a fairly reliable one.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: Tyler's on it now, Oh is he?
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Oh it's pretty. It's just mainly the graphics are cool teslas.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: So I have been looking.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I just you know, I'm old school, right, kind of
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: boomer ish, you know, it's boomer center state right. Definitely
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: look at the weather Channel app and it's all it
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: always does me, right, you know. And it seems as
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: if we have a cold front rolling through parts of
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the central US, including Oklahoma. What you think that's gonna
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: change what you could see in daytime?
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I think so.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: I think, Like I said, I think they're gonna once
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: the cooler tens hit, he might hit the scrapes again
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: and start looking for another dough.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Cool so on a scale of one to ten, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: then next week.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: I'd hate to give that typical Midwest answer.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: You know, they'll do it. They'll be good, could be bad.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: But I'd honestly probably give it a six.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: He did it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: He did it. He's in the Midwest. That's why I
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: did it, dude.
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: That's right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I'm still here in Texas to be a seven or
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: eight probably.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now, though here in Illinois, like
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: it is going crazy. As soon as I cross the Mississippi,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: there's deer in the fields at noon twelve thirty and
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: as I'm sitting here, I'm on a busy road, right
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: now and like there's at least twenty cars on this road.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Give you an idea of how busy it is. And
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: there's a small patch of woods across from me. And
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: like literally five seconds ago, a doe is running down the.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Side of the road.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Ooh man, but head to leave Texas. That's right, you know, Well, doe.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Hope you have a marry Thanksgiving. If that's what people say,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Very thankful Thanksgiving or thankful to have
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you in our lives. And thank you for the report.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Sir, appreciate it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys closed it out with the Midwest six from
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Eric Gentry.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: But including that some pretty positive reports from around the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: country for deer movement. Man, I think that people are
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: catching on like this is a good time of year
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: to kill a big deer. You say that all the time.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving week is like the time.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Huh, that's what I mean.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: I've had some really good hunts around that time of year,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: and I remember I had a long hunt one time.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I may have talked about this last week, but you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: we went from the Thanksgiving time period late Thanksgiving into December.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: When I shot a deer early December. That was falling
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: a big mature dough. So, I mean, it's just one
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: of those things, men, where I just don't I think
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: people give up hope really easy a lot of times
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: when you know there's still a lot of good hunting
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to be had out there right now, especially with cold
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: weather coming in.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Guarantee you, man, I don't want to minimize this part
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of this time of year.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: It's a great time to reflect. It's a great time
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: to be thankful.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: It's a good time to focus on your family and
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: your faith and to consider all the blessings you have
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in life, right, because that's what this is about. That
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: being said, it is a good time of year to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: get some good stuff on a good deal. Black Friday's
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: around the corner by your family that you love, some
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Christmas gifts. Go over to the media website and get
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: all the kind of stuff that you want to from
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that kind of deal. If you want to get a
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: little bit more hunting encouragement, there is a new video
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: on the Element channel. We'll link to the channel below.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You can go watch me chase a buck around on
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the ground for dude. Literally, I was on this buck
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: for the whole day and then half of another day
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like inside of this year, it was wild.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: That's all I'm gonna tell y'all. Yeah, So there's lots
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: of stuff though coming out. We've been putting trying to
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: crank out some video. We've got some Texas public Land stuff.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: We've got you know, Nebraska stuff from earlier this year.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: We've been just kind of trying to crank that stuff
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: as much as possible. In between case. You actually have
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: an article about saddle hunting, doesn't you.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: There's an article on the media website about should you
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: hunt from a saddle?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Go check that out.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: There's a pretty funny social media post that Tyler and
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I put out there because humor is what makes this
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: world go around right now, man, because there's a lot
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: of depressing things.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: We like to be funny.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: But and then there's a video that goes along with
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that about shooting from a saddle and why you should
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: maybe consider it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Go check that out if you haven't.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Yep, for sure, guys, thanks for listening. This has been
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: ret fresh, Keep it fresh.